PDA

View Full Version : what the tri series squad should be...


al Furqaan
February 11, 2007, 11:28 PM
i hear that the tri series against bermuda and canada will be in the carribean. now given the proxiity of the WC (both in space and time), will BCB just haul the WC 15 as the tri series squad?

i think, that because money is not an issue, they should put only those batsman who are in the WC 15 in the tri series squad. both mashrafee and shahadat should be rested. they've played a lot of cricket, and we don't need them against the likes of the teams we are playing (hell our spinners beat zimbabwe). we cannot afford injuries to the only 2 pacers who can both bowl at 135 kph and take wickets. thus mash and rajib must sit.

so what should our squad look like? i propose the following:

1) SN
2) rajin
3) aftab
4) saqib
5) bashar
6) ash
7) pilot/rahim
8) farhad
9) sharif
10) tapash
11) rasel

x) mehrab
X) tamim

this would be an ideal 13 probables for this up-coming circus.

farhad and aftab could open the bowling against the likes of canada and bermuda. then the spinners are saqib, rajin, and ash. with mehrab chipping in when/if he plays.

we should rest razzak and rafiq as we will need them in the WC

kalpurush
February 12, 2007, 01:56 AM
It's an good opportunity to play Sharif again and see if he could improve his performance in international cricket and if he could swing the ball in WI's pitches as we all expect. If NOT, Rasel should be in the final WC squad.:)

nafees_thebest
February 12, 2007, 02:31 AM
shud give tameem a chance for sure.....................otherwise those selectors all dumm....ya i agree mash n rasell shud b rested..........we dontt want to miss mash like last time....taposh also deserve anotheer chance

Miraz
February 12, 2007, 06:11 AM
al Furqaan, the world cup squad which will be announced tomorrow will play in the tri series.

No experimentation within 2 weeks of World Cup matches.

Imteaz
February 12, 2007, 06:23 AM
Should Allow The WC 15 to Play...................................

jishan
February 12, 2007, 08:07 AM
yeah...definately the world cup 15 should play....whts the point of experimenting now :S

Rabz
February 12, 2007, 08:59 AM
i think, that because money is not an issue, they should put only those batsman who are in the WC 15 in the tri series squad. both mashrafee and shahadat should be rested. they've played a lot of cricket, and we don't need them against the likes of the teams we are playing (hell our spinners beat zimbabwe). we cannot afford injuries to the only 2 pacers who can both bowl at 135 kph and take wickets. thus mash and rajib must sit.

we should rest razzak and rafiq as we will need them in the WC

So AF, you basically want our two striking bowlers and our two main spinners to take a break and miss the opportunity of practising at the very venues they gonna be playing during the wc??

C'mon man...expected much better from you...
you are certainly not a rookie...

may be we should cotton wrap all our top 15 before the world cup in case they do sustain any unwanted injuries...keep them at any safe deposit in zurich and pray to Nike (The Goddess of Victory) that they just gonna pop up during the match and win the games for us?

Farhad
February 12, 2007, 10:55 AM
1) SN
2) rajin
3) aftab
4) saqib
5) bashar
6) ash
7) pilot/rahim
8) farhad
9) sharif
10) tapash
11) rasel

x) mehrab
X) tamim


I agree with you on all counts (except maybe the Mashrafee, Shahadat thing).....For people who say we shouldnt experiment....This series is the best time to see if Rajin is back, rasel too. Cuz choosing either Tamim or Mehrab would be experimenting. Ive given up hope on Sharif though. Its also the time our players can hit themselves back into form. Great idea by BCB IMO. Im kinda uncertain on what to do if Rajin fails though, because Tamim deserves another chance....

Kabir
February 12, 2007, 10:58 AM
No questions - just send the 15 men squad that we're sending for WC. We should consider ourselves lucky to have a series in that area of this globe just before WC. I don't know what the team management thinks...but I think this is the perfect opportunity for our team to take advantage of the series, and adapt to the conditions there.

Tigers_eye
February 12, 2007, 11:03 AM
When is our squad leaving for the tri-series?

I would hope they pack their bags for a minimum of 40+ days!! For those who live in US can attest to the jetlags we get when we travel on 11/12 hours time difference. To some it takes a day or two and some a week or two. I pray Bashar don't fall asleep while batting and get runout.

Lets hope this is the best overseas tour we would ever have and can qualify for the second round.

Farhad
February 12, 2007, 11:06 AM
Yeah.....They should definitely make it there early.......Kinda surprised there hasnt been much talk about it yet...Anybody know anything?Watcher?:)

Braveheart
February 12, 2007, 11:08 AM
I don't think there is any tri series. This is what Daily star had to say...

Dilemma for Faruque
WC squad likely to be named tomorrow
Sports Reporter

The triumphant Bangladesh cricket team returned home today morning, only for a short respite before setting sail for the West Indies to play next month's World Cup.

Immediately after their arrival, the national selectors including coach Dav Whatmore and captain Habibul Bashar will sit to decide on the 15-member squad for the showpiece in the Caribbean which will start from March 13.

"We will meet tomorrow to decide on the World Cup team because there is hardly any time before the ICC deadline for the list," said chief selector Faruque Ahmed yesterday.

Bangladesh team, who have been pencilled in Group B along with India, Sri Lanka and Bermuda, is expected to fly for West Indies on February 20 to have a two-week camp before playing in the two lead-up games against New Zealand on March 6 and Scotland on March 8 both in Barbados.

The Tigers will launch their main campaign by taking on former World Champions India on March 17 before locking horns with 1996 champions Sri Lanka on March 21 and will round of their group fixtures by playing ICC associate member Bermuda on March 25.

Conquering Zimbabwe on their own soil was the main mission for Bashar's men although the just concluded trip was billed as preparation for cricket's mega event. And in the end they accomplished just that with a 3-1 series victory to maintain their recent supremacy over their southern African opponents.

Undoubtedly the 3-1 series victory not only relieved Whatmore charges ahead of the big task but also buried the bitter memory of their 3-2 series reverse in July-August last year. However, the manner of the victory failed to convince the selection panel boss.

"Winning is always important and the first-ever series victory in Zimbabwe is a boost for the team ahead of the World Cup. But I am not satisfied with the way we won the battle because it could have been much better had we completed it convincingly. What I honestly believe is that we need to prove that we are as good away as we are at home," said Faruque.

"We won the first match quite comfortably but lost the momentum in the second game to suffer a heavy defeat. We beat Zimbabwe in the last two games but not before we survived scares," he explained.
Despite the series victory the selectors will run the rule over a few debatable positions in the side and it is not unlikely that there may yet be surprises in the squad for the World Cup.

The former national skipper was reluctant to reveal anything about the selection but said that he was concerned about the opening slot as well the inconsistent performance of the top-order.

"I am really concerned about the opening batsmen's performance because in Zimbabwe they alarmingly failed to deliver. On the other hand nobody was inconsistent in the top-order," he said.

In four games, only the first match saw the opening pair of Shahriar Nafees (34) and Mehrab Hossain (12) reach double figure partnership as they put on 34. After two matches, Tamim Iqbal was drafted in place of Mehrab but it changed nothing as the openers continued to falter. Most worrying was the performance of Nafees who only managed one half century against his happy-hunting side.

There was good news though and the most inspiring outcome of the series might be the efforts of young wicketkeeper Mushfiqur Rahim who justified the team decision of promoting him to the top order by making solid scores of 42 and 57 in the last two games.
His success has also put the selectors in a dilemma and the big question is whether they will rely only on the young stumper or go for both him and long-serving Khaled Mashud to avoid controversy. Faruque denied any comment on the issue but said that they have to extensively discuss with the team physio before deciding on a course of action for seaming all-rounder Mohammad Sharif.

Farhad
February 12, 2007, 11:15 AM
Most worrying was the performance of Nafees who only managed one half century against his happy-hunting side.


Looks like they have huge expectations from Nafees.....:)

Tigers_eye
February 12, 2007, 11:16 AM
Bangladesh team, who have been pencilled in Group B along with India, Sri Lanka and Bermuda, is expected to fly for West Indies on February 20 to have a two-week camp before playing in the two lead-up games against New Zealand on March 6 and Scotland on March 8 both in Barbados.
The tri-series is scheduled at Feb 25th i believe.
Reaching on either 21st or 22nd would give the boys 3 days before they take on the home side bermuda.

It can still happen.

Feb 13th I think is the last day to submit the 15 man squad to the ICC. And two wicket keepers will be a waste of space. We could have another opener or bowler in that spot.

Farhad
February 12, 2007, 11:17 AM
I dunno guys.....This tri-series almost seems to be non-existent. Hardly anyone knows about it, let alone talks about it.

Farhad
February 12, 2007, 11:18 AM
The tri-series is scheduled at Feb 25th i believe.
Reaching on either 21st or 22nd would give the boys 3 days before they take on the home side barbados.

It can still happen.

Feb 13th I think is the last day to submit the 15 man squad to the ICC.

I thought that too, but what is more interesting is this part :

before playing in the two lead-up games

Hes talking about Scotland and NZ here ofcourse.

sadi
February 12, 2007, 11:20 AM
Looks like Mushfiq will be in the squad no matter what. The qustion is whether they bring Pilot with him or not. I say don't take Pilot for few reasons.

1. It will only create more pressure on Mushfiq.
2. Pilot is not a good teamman and he will take it personally if they go with Mushfiq instead of him and create some kind of drama.

Take Tushar in the squad. He will not only serve as a back up middle order but in case something happens to Mushfiq, we will have a backup keeper. I have no idea though how good he is behind the stumps.

babubangla
February 12, 2007, 11:30 AM
Tri-series (Bangladesh, Bermuda, Canada), 25-28 February, Antigua.
25 February: Bangladesh v Bermuda, Antigua
26 February: Bermuda v Canada, Antigua
28 February: Bangladesh v Canada, Antigua
Source: Cricekt Europe (http://www.cricketeurope4.net/CRICKETEUROPE/DATABASE/2007/TOURNAMENTS/ODI/about.shtml)

<TABLE width="100%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=3>Bangladesh / Bermuda / Canada ODI Tri-series (f)</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top rowSpan=5>25-28 February 2007 (dates tbc)</TD><TD>Bangladesh v Bermuda</TD><TD vAlign=top rowSpan=5>West Indies(venue tbc)</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>Bermuda v Canada</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>Bangladesh v Canada</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Source: ICC (http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/development/associates.html)

Bangladesh / Bermuda / Canada ODI Tri-series 25-27 February 2007, West Indies
Source: Canada Cricket (http://www.canadacricket.com/)

Tigers_eye
February 12, 2007, 11:32 AM
1st tri-series in the history without a final match scheduled. :)

al Furqaan
February 12, 2007, 12:15 PM
So AF, you basically want our two striking bowlers and our two main spinners to take a break and miss the opportunity of practising at the very venues they gonna be playing during the wc??

C'mon man...expected much better from you...
you are certainly not a rookie...

may be we should cotton wrap all our top 15 before the world cup in case they do sustain any unwanted injuries...keep them at any safe deposit in zurich and pray to Nike (The Goddess of Victory) that they just gonna pop up during the match and win the games for us?

are bhai,

the matches will not be at the same venue as our all important matches against india and SL...the tri series, warmups, and group matches will be in 3 seperate venues, AFAIK. but for sure tri series and group matches are in different venues.

plus, why play mashrafee? ok give shahadat a game, but why play mashrafee? so he can twist his 3rd knee?

razzak and rafiq can play, since spinners have low injury risk, but then again, rafiq is injured isn't he.

i stick by my post.

Tigers_eye
February 12, 2007, 12:27 PM
are bhai,

the matches will not be at the same venue as our all important matches against india and SL...the tri series, warmups, and group matches will be in 3 seperate venues, AFAIK. but for sure tri series and group matches are in different venues.

plus, why play mashrafee? ok give shahadat a game, but why play mashrafee? so he can twist his 3rd knee?

razzak and rafiq can play, since spinners have low injury risk, but then again, rafiq is injured isn't he.

i stick by my post.
I was going to comment on this after the 15 men squad announcement. However, I feel I need to support al Furqaan on this one.

Not only I would bench Mashrafe but also rafiq and SN. I would allow Rasel, Shahadat to open and Taposh to be the third pacer. Depending on the 15 men roster I would open with Tamim and Rajin or Mehrab Jr. and tamim or whoever is included as an opener.

This only for the Tri-series and to answer some questions. If Pilot and Mushi both are included then both play.

As for the warmup matches against NZ and Canada we go with the best 11.

al Furqaan
February 12, 2007, 12:50 PM
yea...in the warmups, we got with our full XI who will play india and SL

SMHasan
February 12, 2007, 02:35 PM
No experiments please! After the sad shows in ZImbabwe we still believe that we will beat Bermuda with our 2nd eleven? Don't be that complacent. We should be confident but we should play our best eleven to find the lost rythoms.

Remember we are still concerned about the opening position and some other things. We need to sort it out before the final battle begins.

al Furqaan
February 12, 2007, 02:51 PM
No experiments please! After the sad shows in ZImbabwe we still believe that we will beat Bermuda with our 2nd eleven? Don't be that complacent. We should be confident but we should play our best eleven to find the lost rythoms.

Remember we are still concerned about the opening position and some other things. We need to sort it out before the final battle begins.

i respectfully disagree bhai.

zimbabwe a team we beat, albeit marginally, beat the bermuda team by 190 runs! our 2nd u-19 XI would prolly handle bermuda well.

besides, so what if we play our first XI against bermuda? we probably won't beat them by 190 runs, which means the naysayers on this forum (i'd be here after the world cup still posting if i were to mention all their names; you guys know who you are ;)) would say we're weaker than zimbabwe, and only marginally better than bermuda.

now, they have every right to believe that, but we the fans have every right to not hear that kind of balogna 15 times on every thread.

so here is a sample scorecard:

bangladesh (full strength XI) 310-5 (50 overs)
bermuda 180 all out (47.5 overs)

bangladesh wins by 130 runs.

standard BC response: "even zimbabwe beat bermuda by nearly 200 runs, we suck, we should go home not to trinidad"

so, lets instead not risk mashrafee being out for another year-long injury (and rajib too), and lets give some other key players (i.e that all-elusive 3rd pacer) a chance or two.

if we were playing reasonable sides, i would not hesitate to play our first XI, as they should play against new zealand.

Zobair
February 12, 2007, 02:53 PM
I think Bashar has signaled his intentions regarding the Pilot vs. Rahim debate. Please read today's daily star or New Age.

al Furqaan
February 12, 2007, 02:54 PM
in other words, i don't wanna risk key players getting hurt/burned out playing the likes of bermuda, candada, burundi, east timor, and olympus mons 12th XI, just so some BC members can say "Bangaladesh sucks!!" in 13 different ways.

sadi
February 12, 2007, 02:57 PM
I don't think Mashrafee has ever played in caribean soil. So why sit him? He needs the experience of bowling there before the big matches come up. I would do a little experiment here and there but other than that, I will go with the full squad.

Three things to do experiment on:
1. Opener issue: Mehrab, Tamim or Rajin?
2. Third pacer issue: Tapash or Sharif. Whoever gets the chance should play atleast a match or two.
3. Keeper issue: If both keepers are selected, they should get a match each.

sadi
February 12, 2007, 02:59 PM
in other words, i don't wanna risk key players getting hurt/burned out playing the likes of bermuda, candada, burundi, east timor, and olympus mons 12th XI, just so some BC members can say "Bangaladesh sucks!!" in 13 different ways.

I don't really care about what some BC members will say after a win or defeat for that matter. I will be more concerned about our players getting used to caribean conditions so that when the time comes, they are fully prepared. One game or two shouldn't burn out a player two weeks before the world cup.

TheWatcher
February 12, 2007, 03:03 PM
Not only I would bench Mashrafe but also rafiq and SN. I would allow Rasel, Shahadat to open and Taposh to be the third pacer. Depending on the 15 men roster I would open with Tamim and Rajin or Mehrab Jr. and tamim or whoever is included as an opener.

This only for the Tri-series and to answer some questions. If Pilot and Mushi both are included then both play.

As for the warmup matches against NZ and Canada we go with the best 11.
Very much agree with you, only that SN should play in those matches as he still lacks in overseas experience. Also, if we are pairing him up with Tamim, it is important that we give them as many matches as possible to build a good understanding among them. If Tamim fails in those matches and we have to bring Rajin in warm up matches, Rajin should be ok as he is already experienced in West Indian condition and also with openning with SN.

Ashraful should be also rested for those matches as he does not do well against "choto dols".

So my team would be-

SN
Tamim (though I would prefer Rokon in his place, but that would be just a wishful thought)
Aftab
Mushfiq
Bashar
Sakib
Tushar/Farhad (whoever get selected. Hoping to see one of them keeping Mashud out of the squad)
Tapash
Razzak
Sharif/Rasel (whoever get selected)
Shahadat

cricketboy
February 12, 2007, 03:38 PM
There is no substitute for match practice and so our WC squad should play the tri-series.

al Furqaan
February 12, 2007, 03:55 PM
I don't really care about what some BC members will say after a win or defeat for that matter. I will be more concerned about our players getting used to caribean conditions so that when the time comes, they are fully prepared. One game or two shouldn't burn out a player two weeks before the world cup.

yes, but what is the purpose of playing mashrafee...suppose he takes 10 bermuda wickets for no runs...what does that prove? the BC members will still bich and moan...

and then mash might get injured, then our WC is over.

for match practice mash can play against NZ...what are the other teams doing to practice. mash can bowl some in the nets to get a feel for the conditions against our own batsman. that will be a better indicator of conditions than bowling to a 300 pound bermuda all-rounder.

TheWatcher
February 12, 2007, 04:01 PM
I think the main argument here is whether to play Mash-Rafique or try out two back up pacers in this series. I am in support of trying out two back up pacers.

Mash is a smart bowler and it should not take more than two matches (warm up matches against NZ, Sco) for him to adjust his line and length. Condition in West Indies is not that different from that is in Bangladesh anyway. For Rafique, his old bones should be tortured as less as possible.

I want to try out back up pacers mainly because Shahadat's position in the WC playing eleven may not be as certain as many of you think.West Indian pitches have slowed down a lot in last few years, Shahadat's short deliveries may not be that effective here. So I really want to see what Tapash or Sharif (or Rasel) has to offer here.

al Furqaan
February 12, 2007, 05:43 PM
from watching rajib bowl at home against zimbabwe in december, he was not banging it in as much as he used to.

so i think he's problems were with his line, and of course wides and no balls.

kalimdor
February 12, 2007, 07:08 PM
Rajib should think straight...he got good stuff under his sleeve...no doubt about that...Rajin definitely should be in the squad...,opening with Nafees..but I was really hoping Tamim would be there....flying ball all around the field...about Ash...keep him in the squad, although I am not a big fan of him anymore.....true he hasn't score for a long time... but I can feel it..call it a third sense or whatever....his big score day is coming up soon...let see....if not plz plz drop him after WC...

SMHasan
February 12, 2007, 08:56 PM
Does this tri series really exist? According to Cricinfo the matches are Bangladesh vs Bermuda and Bermuda vs Canada. There is no Bangladesh vs Canada. Anyone got any clue?

al Furqaan
February 12, 2007, 09:11 PM
Does this tri series really exist? According to Cricinfo the matches are Bangladesh vs Bermuda and Bermuda vs Canada. There is no Bangladesh vs Canada. Anyone got any clue?

who knows, who cares...ridiculous series.

ICC wants us to play 2nd tier, we have and we didn't complain (much)

now they want our stars to get hurt playing worthless games against worthless teams.

has the ICC ever heard of mutuality or shared interest?

bunch of douche bags!

MarufH
February 13, 2007, 12:19 AM
For me squad is...
Nafees
Tamim
Mushfiq
Aftab
Saqib
Habibul
Rajin
Mashrafe
Rafique
Razzaq
Rajib

Same as world cup 11.

TheWatcher
February 13, 2007, 09:10 AM
Does this tri series really exist? According to Cricinfo the matches are Bangladesh vs Bermuda and Bermuda vs Canada. There is no Bangladesh vs Canada.
Look again (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/series/274770.html?template=schedule)

Niceman70
February 13, 2007, 01:47 PM
as far as i know..they are not playing in the same venues.



So AF, you basically want our two striking bowlers and our two main spinners to take a break and miss the opportunity of practising at the very venues they gonna be playing during the wc??

C'mon man...expected much better from you...
you are certainly not a rookie...

may be we should cotton wrap all our top 15 before the world cup in case they do sustain any unwanted injuries...keep them at any safe deposit in zurich and pray to Nike (The Goddess of Victory) that they just gonna pop up during the match and win the games for us?

MarufH
February 13, 2007, 02:31 PM
For me squad is...
Nafees
Tamim
Mushfiq
Aftab
Saqib
Habibul
Rajin
Mashrafe
Rafique
Razzaq
Rajib

Same as world cup 11.

All my players were selected!!! :flag::fire::joy::great:

Rabz
February 14, 2007, 04:03 AM
Guys... by saying same venues..i didnt mean the same exact venues we are going to play the world cup games..

i meant playing in the west indian conditions... let it be Bermuda, Bahamas or T&T, it is still in the west indian grounds...and more exposure to those environments would certainly help the players to adjust themselves and find about the nature and conditions of the playing environments...

I reckon this is the best way to boost the confidence of our best players before the cup begins specially when we are playing against some minor teams...

imagine Mash,Rajib, Rafiq and Razzak playing against the minnows and doing well...
imagine they have better idea of the conditions and the ground...

and now imagine taking that self believe and high morals to the real game against the tougher opponents and bringing glory for the country...

All the players should be tried out during the tri nations...
but for the official warm up games... only the possible main 11 should play...

SMHasan
February 14, 2007, 11:27 AM
Does this series got official status?

fwullah
February 14, 2007, 11:52 AM
I think the tri series will be in Antigua.

Farhad
February 14, 2007, 12:06 PM
This tour should be given utmost attention...Yeah, its against the likes of Canada and Bermuda but Its the best chance for some of our players to hit themselves back to form and get used to the pitch conditions. Yet, it seems almost non-existant.

TheWatcher
February 16, 2007, 07:16 PM
What I am afraid is that our boys may take Bermuda team too lightly, especially from the looks of the Bermudian players.

http://www.bermudacricketboard.com/images/Bermudateam.jpg

Farhad
February 16, 2007, 08:27 PM
What I am afraid is that our boys may take Bermuda team too lightly, especially from the looks of the Bermudian players.

http://www.bermudacricketboard.com/images/Bermudateam.jpg

:floor: Yeah, theyre scary alright!

TheWatcher
February 16, 2007, 09:10 PM
:floor: Yeah, theyre scary alright!
See, that's the attitude I am afraid of. They may look like potato bags, but they can play cricket.

Farhad
February 16, 2007, 09:38 PM
See, that's the attitude I am afraid of. They may look like potato bags, but they can play cricket.

Thats where youre going wrong.....I agreed with you upto your point about complacency, but they cannot play good cricket. Theyre freaking terrible! They did beat Scotland recently, which takes me back to complacency.......