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billah
February 13, 2007, 05:49 PM
It's easy to compose all of Masud's statistics on one page and call him incompetent. So, why is Ash in the squad then? And, what the heck is Veeru doing in the Indian team?

Some of us may be trapped in our own number-based thinking. I think that is the basic difference between the thinking of a cricketer and a non-cricketer. That is probably why pretty much all of our experienced ex-skippers are calling this a wrong decision.

One ex-cricketer tells me, for a new-comer at the world-stage, the most difficult thing is making adjustment to his game in the middle of a match. This is something that comes with experience. That is why the cricket teams of the world stick to their experienced guns.

Remember Asif Karim in the last world cup? The Insurance salseman who was brought out of retirement to spearhead the Kenyan bowling. Obviously, other than experience, Asif did not have any performance numbers working for him. If you have already forgotten, Kenya made it to the SEMI-FINAL last time ! And Asif still holds the world record for best world cup bowling performance ! Do you wonder why Russel Arnold and Tuffey are included back in the WC squads of SL and NZ?

We all know, Pilot has to go. But dropping him from the WC squad is unthinkable. Let's listen to what we are saying:

- We are sending in the understudy in the WC 2007, the biggest cricket show on earth. (Let him use the most important matches of our cricket history to warm up and settle in. In the least, its gonna be fun watching him hobble under deep water...)

- We are dropping our most experienced wicket keeper at this stage, since we think this understudy, who barely has any credentials to his name, will do better with the bat in the World Cup. (Why, since we did not find any data to support this, we just asked him ! He promised to us he would try...)

- We come to this decision based on some runs he scored in our tour that concluded last week in Zimbabwe. ( Mushfiq was such a Tendulkar in Harare, we just could not leave him out... Now we are eyeing that 400+ to shut India out of the World cup..)

- Pilot ! He's just bad blood ! He's a big mouth ! (So, there ! Ha'ya like me naaau ?
I would do anything to stick it to him, even if that means weakening the national team ahead of the world cup..)

Pilot has to go. This is what I have written in my latest article recently. But, for that, we need to prepare his replacement properly. Give both of them and the team some time for adjustments. Instead, we pull the rug from under Pilot. Then we drop the rug over the tiny shoulders of the young one. Yeah ! Way to go Faruk bhai !

There is one word that describe doing an understudy experiment for the wicket keeper position INSIDE the world cup matches, leaving an experienced campaigner home - "STUPID". More so, this is no justice to young Mushfiqur Rahim. We saw how badly Rahim flops under pressure, even at his home ground at Bogra. Remember the Sri Lankan tour? I'm sure Mushfiq will play upto his potential for the foreseeable future in our national team, if we stop using him recklessly, to exact our personal revenge on another.

Sad thing is - this decision has "ego conflict" written all over it. The trouble between Pilot and some selectors was well-publicized before. Pilot has never been known to be diplomatic. As a selector, it would be my job to look away from these other issues, and deal with Pilot on a personal basis privately, instead of chopping him from the team. I would keep personal feeling away from selection, in the interest of selecting the best possible team for the world cup.

Now, it seems, that the selectors acted in malicious intent. They exacted their personal vandetta against Pilot. So, not only did they cut him from the world cup team using the most feeble of arguments, they are having to take other malicious steps to keep him out. Wrong only begets wrong.

Rajin Saleh - his hair and his self-confidence, are in a perpatual competition with each other for running out these days. For me, Farhad Reza is an easy choice over Rajin, specially considering the possible playing condition in Port of Spain.

Then there is Javed. Javed is not even assured of a spot in our Test team, let alone in the ODI world cup. Do you remember Javed's great recent performance? You don't? Funny, neither do I. Heck, even Javed is so surprised by it, he is attributing the whole thing to God's divine will.

Tamim, well, apologies to the fans that want Tamim to become an overnight superstar. However, this is the first time in history, a player was selected for world cup finals based on three 4s and two 6s.

Looks like these names were used just to block out the 14th and 15th position from Pilot. The selectors may not have done it with such intent, but now, that is what it looks like. The baffled fans, cricketers and ex-cricketers alike are wondering what Javed is doing in the squad, while Pilot sits out (Please don't attempt to compare Javed and Pilot's numbers here. If you do, you have missed the point completely). It also looks like the selectors were pushing Mushfiq's batting order just to push Pilot out. That just ain't cricket, man.

Well, there is a remedy for for every wrong. Better late than never, Faruk bhai. No, don't send a personal apology to Masud. No, don't take him out for Biryani at Samarkand. Don't promise him more matches after the world cup. Don't tell him in details about how we acknowledge his past contributions. Don't go and tell him we will still need him later.

Just bring him back in the WC 2007 squad.

WE need him.

Sillypoint
February 13, 2007, 06:12 PM
In the 'biggest cricket show in the earth' (of ODI and not Test matches) there is no need to bring in an underperformer. Still remember the SLankans ridiculed him by saying "Folks here starts Test match" duing ODI match.

It's a pity some people just want to hang on to their position and can't exit when they are at the pinnacle of their for careers (just like our politicians).

I know I can't speak for everybody - but according to me "GOOD RIDDANCE"!

HereWeGo
February 13, 2007, 06:21 PM
I have written this a few other times on other thread and will write it again. KMasud is worthless now, his experience will never buy him any runs. And he does make mistake from time to time also. Not like he is 100% safe.

Lets look at how his invaluable experience in the past helped the team..

a) He was there in the last WC (experienced player still), Also was the captain. Guess wat he did, he decided to bowl a part time off spinner in Sanwar hussain in the death overs when Taposh was bowling wonderfully well in the kenya match. do I need to mention that sanwar did a terrible job and the fact that we lost the match. Please do check the number of catches he missed at the last WC. Does not make a pleasent reading.

b) lets now look at 4 years more experienced pilot. He was again asked to captain the side in Bashar absense in the match we lost to Zimbabwe in the last over. A short sighted person would blame it on Mashrafee. But if u look at the larger picture the blame goes to pilot for sure. He dropped Shahadat right after he got his hattrick. Who does that???? Experience..U SURE.

c) He insulted the selectors by claiming that he is an automatic choice. I don know any other player doing that when he is in the worst form of his life. He got a 50% fine in match fee... Ask me...if i was in BCB i would terminate him immediately.

d) An experienced player must support the new people who comes to the team..instead his words clearly indicate that his presense is harmful for the team to play as a cohesive unit.

Neways to make it short...he deserved to be sacked...

BD cricket team is not a charity....u are not good enough than u don belong here...

Mohiul
February 13, 2007, 06:37 PM
When a batsman - in a motive to keep himself not out and thus increase his average - expose tailenders to vulnerable attack, what do you find in the motive? It's simply unacceptable. How come you expect that player in WC squad? Simply pathetic

Miraz
February 13, 2007, 06:45 PM
Billah bhai, its very easy to write an epic about Khaled Mashud and his contributions and all these myths by comparing with different players of different countries.

Now please answer,

1. What the heck Khaled Mashud has done in the last world cup except missing few catches, stumping chances, partying late at night? He was the captain and was a senior player.

2. The examples you are giving like Asif Karim, Tuffey, they are in different league, they performed in big occasions and repaid the faith. Khaled Mashud repaid the faith with the worst result and some defaming scandal for Bangladesh cricket (which led to investigation and resulted in instructions like not to make him Captain anymore) in the last world cup as a Captain. How can you trust and believe, Khaled Mashud will do something extraordinary this time?

He should have been dropped earlier for his lack of performance coupled with the controversy and bringing match fixing scandals into Bangladesh cricket.

He is one of the worst sportsman in BD cricket history. A big mouth with good wicket keeping skill and no respect for fellow players and the country.

billah
February 13, 2007, 06:50 PM
Billah bhai, its very easy to write an epic about Khaled Mashud and his contributions and all these myths by comparing with different players of different countries.

Now please answer,

1. What the heck Khaled Mashud has done in the last world cup except missing few catches, stumping chances, partying late at night? He was the captain and was a senior player.

2. The examples you are giving like Asif Karim, Tuffey, they are in different league, they performed in big occasions and repaid the faith. Khaled Mashud repaid the faith with the worst result and some defaming scandal for Bangladesh cricket (which led to investigation and resulted in instructions like not to make him Captain anymore) in the last world cup as a Captain. How can you trust and believe, Khaled Mashud will do something extraordinary this time?

He should have been dropped earlier for his lack of performance coupled with the controversy and bringing match fixing scandals into Bangladesh cricket.

He is one of the worst sportsman in BD cricket history. A big mouth with good wicket keeping skill and no respect for fellow players and the country.

Miraz: This is a texbook case for failure to see the big picture. I don't intend to engage in a point-by-point with you on this. It would be just too easy to mow you down on that. I will just sit back and wait for people with shallow understanding of cricket to ripen up... with time... of course..

Miraz
February 13, 2007, 06:53 PM
I will just sit back and wait for people with shallow understanding of cricket to ripen up... with time... of course..

Very well said. I will do the same and will have some discussions then.

Thank you. :)

RazabQ
February 13, 2007, 07:03 PM
Billah,

Agree with you on the Rajin and JO selection. I would have gone with Farhad and TI/Rana. Don't forget Rana was phenomenal in the ODIs in Windies.

Now to your Pilot arguments. I agree with everything you say about mental adjustments, experience and stuff that Mushfiq is lacking. I would also suspect that you are right in the whole ego battle between selectors and Pilot. In spite of all these reasons, and perhaps accidentally so on part of the selectors, dropping him was the right thing to do

You see (and I suspect you know this already), at some point in time for all athletes, the body just stops doing what the mind is telling it to do. Sadly, that is what has happened to Pilot. Watching him in almost all BD matches over the last year and a half, it's obvious that his body is gone. It's not without reason that he can't even buy a run in our notoriously sub-standard domestic games - this from a man who had made a career of essaying bloody minded innings (the Tugga of our side at one time). It's not without reason that a guy who's been remarkably resilient has picked up an injury. Heck, even his running between the wicket has gotten slower. Frankly, I thought his keeping was starting to look shoddy too - did you notice how he's started to grab at balls - even when he's anticipated them? The mind's still there but the sinews are shot. On a personal level, I'm sad really - Pilot remains one of my favorite BD players of all time but that doesn't change the facts. This btw is in direct contrast to the Viru situation where the physical ability is quite evidently there but the mental side has waned; hence his selection. Tuffey - who else was available for NZ? Arnold? He is expected to be a reserve/cover (where experience is handy) - not an indispensable part of the playing 11 as the sole WK in our side has to be.

As for the WK who is going, Mushfique can undoubtedly choke but at least should he not, there's the prospect of us getting some useful runs from him. With Pilot, even if he is reading the situation perfectly, knows exactly how the pitch is behaving, etc - we can't expect that any more.

Then there's the "other" ego issue. Bashar is one cricket's genuine, min mini nice guys. He's never shown an inclination for power accumulation. When he also doesn't bat for the guy that should tell you something. Bashar read the Pilot's recent media barbs for what they were - "rage against the advancing inabilities" - and he knew that in such situation, players become very selfish. Such a player can become cancerous. Doubly more so, if they are recalled after being originally left out.

Bangladesh is not a good enough side to carry a proud warrior who no longer has IT. While the end can be cruel - as Messrs Healy, Waqar, Thorpe, Border, et al can attest to - it's time to let him go. I salute Pilot for being such a great servant for BD Cricket. In time he will see the situation for what it is and no doubt come back to serve the cause in a different role.

roaring tigerz
February 13, 2007, 07:06 PM
While I agree with Rahim's selection, the manner with which this was done, does leave a sour aftertaste. Even if the selection did not have any malicious intent,Faruk & Co. sure have done a helluva job of making it look like a 'hit-mission.' Why else would they exclude Mashud, first on the pretext of resting him, then for injury, all the time reassuring him of his place? Why couldn't they ever come out and say...' You are DROPPED before of your performance.' Which is ofcourse, until now. I dont think this hoopla would have followed, if the proper procedures were followed.
Javed Omar...well dont even get me started on that!

kalpurush
February 13, 2007, 07:13 PM
Billah bhai, its very easy to write an epic about Khaled Mashud and his contributions and all these myths by comparing with different players of different countries.

Now please answer,

1. What the heck Khaled Mashud has done in the last world cup except missing few catches, stumping chances, partying late at night? He was the captain and was a senior player.

2. The examples you are giving like Asif Karim, Tuffey, they are in different league, they performed in big occasions and repaid the faith. Khaled Mashud repaid the faith with the worst result and some defaming scandal for Bangladesh cricket (which led to investigation and resulted in instructions like not to make him Captain anymore) in the last world cup as a Captain. How can you trust and believe, Khaled Mashud will do something extraordinary this time?

He should have been dropped earlier for his lack of performance coupled with the controversy and bringing match fixing scandals into Bangladesh cricket.

He is one of the worst sportsman in BD cricket history. A big mouth with good wicket keeping skill and no respect for fellow players and the country.

I am glued with Miraz bhai's logic! Can't blame me!!;) :-D

Miraz
February 13, 2007, 07:21 PM
Razab bhai, a very good post with well-built reasoning.

Many players see the distance and decide to call it off while some can't.

RazabQ
February 13, 2007, 07:21 PM
He is one of the worst sportsman in BD cricket history. A big mouth with good wicket keeping skill and no respect for fellow players and the country.
Miraz - show a little respect for the guy whose one shot set Bangladesh on course to become a Test nation. As for his big mouth - for me it was great to have a player who wouldn't be cowered by the opposition but would talk back smack. He is definitely one of the BEST sportsmen in BD history - not just cricket. Sadly he's just too old now.

layperson
February 13, 2007, 07:22 PM
Sorry I cannot agree to Billah Bhai's reasons at all. Experience alone will not do any good to Bangladesh. Why should Bangladesh go in with a wicketkeeper who is a burden to their batting line up is beyond me. I guess all the answers will be found in the WC matches when you will have Mushfique playing. I just ask you to wait and watch and compare Mushfique's performance in this WC with KM's in the last world cup and we all know how wonderful, KM with all his experience, performed in the last world cup. Even if Mushfique doesnt do anything stellar and just takes the catches and makes the regulation stumpings his performance would be much better compared to KM's.

billah
February 13, 2007, 07:29 PM
Razaaaaaaaab !

I'm disappointed, man !

You can put the body issue to rest. Pilot is just about the fittest of them. Heck, that would have been the easiest of excuses for the selectors to use. But, Pilot is very fit, does well with the performance tests.

You can ask our physio for fitness data. I can assure you - this is not the case.

Pilot has been disappointing in batting - a fact.

Mushfiq is a good replacement for the upcoming world cup in March 07 - A fiction.

A myth in the making.

Miraz
February 13, 2007, 07:30 PM
Miraz - show a little respect for the guy whose one shot set Bangladesh on course to become a Test nation. As for his big mouth - for me it was great to have a player who wouldn't be cowered by the opposition but would talk back smack. He is definitely one of the BEST sportsmen in BD history - not just cricket. Sadly he's just too old now.

I think you are recalling that famous six against Kenya, it's a bit too much to say that set the course to become a test nation as our world cup berth was booked before that match. That was a glorious moment, no doubt.

He served the nation, true. Every national player of every sports do that. He was fine until he got the captaincy. The rest is history, I don't want to bring back the memories of those sad old days.

I do salute him for whatever contribution he made for Bangladesh. I expect, he is given a proper opportunity to say 'good bye'.

Unfortunately I can't agree that he was a great sportsman.

you know, every person has got different perspective. :)

AsifTheManRahman
February 13, 2007, 07:49 PM
after reading your posts in this thread :)

cricket_pagol
February 13, 2007, 07:53 PM
Pilot was definitely one of the greats of Bangladesh cricket. I have full respect for his contributions. But now, I think it time for somebody else to take over the responsibility and Pilot should move on. I think his performance in batting and wicket keeping has declined, so this change was inevitable

Xavier
February 13, 2007, 08:01 PM
What if Rahim does not perform well in the wc? Would the selectors go back to Mashud asking him to keep back the gloves for the (very important!) tour of India?

desirocker
February 13, 2007, 08:14 PM
Khaled Masud has done it all for us. Recently his performence for the team wasn't what the team management expected. Still, I believe that he should get another few chances to prove that he deserves to be in the WC Squad. I'm taking about divisional/Club cricket. Why did't the selectors let him have few chances to bat on top order? They've always complained about his poor performance. It was the selector who had placed him in 7 down or 8 down. How much can a cricketer contribute for the team as a BATSMAN in 7 or 8 down???? The team management needs to realize that. My point is very simple.... We know that Pilot is playing Club cricket now. Therefore, he shold be given atlest 3 matches to perform his best, in that way the selectors would rethink about bringing him back to the WC SQUAD??? Another question i'm throwing freaking team management, "What has ASHRAFUL performed lately that placed him in the squad?"
<<Last 3 matches Ash scored 22+16+3 and now having an average of 20.36.This is really ironic that the selector have kicked out a guy had atleast a better ODI average that Ash; 21.90>>

RazabQ
February 13, 2007, 08:18 PM
You can put the body issue to rest. Pilot is just about the fittest of them. I mentioned nothing about fitness man. Right now I can go to the park and find 10 60+ dadus who are going to out last me in a sprintathon. But will I run _faster_ than them until I'm gassed? Assuredly. Will I be able to connect a bat with a ball better than them due to 30s years less wear and tear on my body and 30 years younger reflexes? Again assuredly.

Pilot can be fit as a fiddle. Doesn't mean he can get it done in the middle. Which Mushfique - IFF he doesn't choke - might be able to.

al Furqaan
February 13, 2007, 08:46 PM
Then there's the "other" ego issue. Bashar is one cricket's genuine, min mini nice guys. He's never shown an inclination for power accumulation. When he also doesn't bat for the guy that should tell you something. Bashar read the Pilot's recent media barbs for what they were - "rage against the advancing inabilities" - and he knew that in such situation, players become very selfish. Such a player can become cancerous. Doubly more so, if they are recalled after being originally left out.

Bangladesh is not a good enough side to carry a proud warrior who no longer has IT. While the end can be cruel - as Messrs Healy, Waqar, Thorpe, Border, et al can attest to - it's time to let him go. I salute Pilot for being such a great servant for BD Cricket. In time he will see the situation for what it is and no doubt come back to serve the cause in a different role.

very well said.

both sides to this debate have merit and i really can't pick one way or the other.

al Furqaan
February 13, 2007, 08:46 PM
i'm more upset about javed's inclusion, and surprised by tamim's.

SMHasan
February 13, 2007, 08:54 PM
In the 'biggest cricket show in the earth' (of ODI and not Test matches) there is no need to bring in an underperformer. Still remember the SLankans ridiculed him by saying "Folks here starts Test match" duing ODI match.

It's a pity some people just want to hang on to their position and can't exit when they are at the pinnacle of their for careers (just like our politicians).

I know I can't speak for everybody - but according to me "GOOD RIDDANCE"!

It was Sangakara who said 'guys now it's test match'.

As a batsman I won't take him but as a wicketkeeper we gonna miss him soon. I don't know how good Mushi is as a keeper but as a batsman he is improving. So lets hope he does well in the WC.

But I just don't get why JO is in the team. This is ridiculous. We are walking backwards rather than going forwrds.

desirocker
February 13, 2007, 09:03 PM
:flag: :flag: It was Sangakara who said 'guys now it's test match'.

As a batsman I won't take him but as a wicketkeeper we gonna miss him soon. I don't know how good Mushi is as a keeper but as a batsman he is improving. So lets hope he does well in the WC.

But I just don't get why JO is in the team. This is ridiculous. We are walking backwards rather than going forwrds.


very well said brother. i agree with u 100%

akabir77
February 13, 2007, 09:48 PM
Uff pilot rey to dekhi apnara gilcrist banay felsen jey orey chara bd teamer ki hobey...

Ki r hobey India, srilanka r shatey amneo harbey omney harbey so ato lafalfir ki dorker

Optimist
February 13, 2007, 11:25 PM
Uff pilot rey to dekhi apnara gilcrist banay felsen jey orey chara bd teamer ki hobey...

Ki r hobey India, srilanka r shatey amneo harbey omney harbey so ato lafalfir ki dorker
Funny, but the best post of this thread IMHO! The only scenario where I can visualize missing Pilot is the unlikely scenario of Bangladesh struggling against Bermuda. And if that happens.........anything can happen!!!!

This time the difference between the selected and the not-seleceted ones are marginal. We havenot left behind any special ones like we did in 1999 (Nannu) and 2003 (Akram). The present group of selectors have done a far better job then their predecessors. By accusing them of nepotism and what not we are only exposing our own personal bias!

Mridul
February 14, 2007, 12:46 AM
i cant say it any better...... well done billah bhai

Mridul
February 14, 2007, 12:58 AM
Guys I urge everyone to use facts/numbers and critical analysis of Pilot's performance (in terms of his batting) instead of giving your emotional reasonings (what have pilot done 4 years ago, big mouth etc...)

If no one comes up with actual facts/numbers.....insha-Allah i'll come up with it within 24 hours

Imteaz
February 14, 2007, 03:23 AM
I Think Khaled Mashud Was Suposed to be Included in The WC Team. But If Mushfiqur Rahim can Perform than All These Discussion will be Useless. Still Now Mushfiqur Rahim is not Ready and Qualified for The WC Team. But Our Selectors Think, He is. Team Performance and Individual Performance will Tell Everything. Whatever, I Want a Good Result (Not Playing Good but Qualified for The Super-8 Round) from Team. So........................

But One Thing, Our Selectors Judged Mushfiqur Rahim Because of His Batting Ability. As Per I Know, In International Level a Wicket keeper is Judged According to His Keeping Ability at First. If He is a Good Batter, It is a Plus Point for The Team. But Only for Batting Ability, Can We Select a Wicket Keeper? I Don't think So. Hope Mushfiq will be able to Show His Keeping Ability too.

Finally, Time will Say Everything.

Nocturnal
February 14, 2007, 04:01 AM
Very good debate here. Really enjoyed most of the posts.
Not a Pilot fan but still I think it was not a wise decision to drop him in WC. But team has been announced alreday so all my good wishes for Mushfiq now. By the way, very disappointed by inclusion of Javed and Rajin.

patriot
February 14, 2007, 08:06 AM
If India can take Parthiv Patel into 2003 WC.Why cant Bangladesh take M. Rahim?
Though Rahul Dravid carried out the gloveworks,Indian selectors showed real guts to select Patel.

Mashud was a total filth in the b'deshi team.His batting doesn't find any place in today's One day cricket.

The only things that scraes me is ,What if Rahim drops a catch of some one like Jayasuriya or Dravid??

ialbd
February 14, 2007, 08:52 AM
Pilot has no more batting quality left and everyone pretty much nailed him for that. But my only concern is whether the alternative is good enough to replace Pilot at this 'situation'. If Rahim drops an important catch (or gets Pilot like batting figures) in the WC, the media & the ex-captains will be on their toe to criticise Rahim and his selection. That will be so devastating for this talented young lad. As Bangladeshi Selectors are such an expert in wasting talents (Mushfiq & Tamim on the current menu) thats the only thing I am worried about this whole Pilot issue..

P.S: My respect for what Pilot did for BD cricket will always be there

Shahjamal
February 14, 2007, 09:19 AM
Very good discussion with arguments about Pilot. Nice. For me, the selectors could include Pilot for the WC squad. But at the same time, the new one should get the chance to show his ability. In cricket, it is said that a keeper plays one-third role of the total responsibility. Not only with his own performance by keeping and batting, but also inspiring the bowlers and fielders with his encouraging voice - the keeper tries to make the team optimistic and inspired all the time. From that point of view, Mushfiqur lacks a lot than Pilot. But, it is wrong to think that, Pilot has gone for forever. He should try to show ability to do good for the team than any one. Then he can be included again (As DADA did in India). Exclusion of Pilot from the WC squad will create a competetion between Pilot and Mushfiq that will be good for BD. Good luck Bangladesh.

sadi
February 14, 2007, 09:32 AM
Who can gurantee me here that if we take Pilot in the world cup squad, he will not drop a catch? Noone. Any given day, any keeper can drop a catch. Even Gilchrist does it. I remember Pilot dropping some in last World Cup. So, lets not act like "sob gelo" when they include someone like Mushfiq.

Keeping is one position in cricket where sometimes selectors like to go for the young ones instead of old ones. Few reasons:

1. Keeping has nothing to do with who you playing against. Basically, you will be keeping your bowlers and as long as you have a good understanding with your bowler, you will be fine. Ofcourse, you gotta catch whatever comes your way.

2. Younger keeper means better reflexes. We saw it many times. Legends get replaced by their young understudy. Remember how Healy got replaced by Gilchrist in one day cricket eventhough Healy was still one of the best keeper in the world or how Boucher replaced Richardson in South Africa.

3. Battingwise, we can only get better. There is no question about it. Pilot has struggled to score recently in domestic cricket for Abahoni.

Picking him now will be suicidal. We already know he is not a good teamman. Keeping is one position where it is quite hard to be a teamman because you know the next guy on line will replace you. Having him and Mushfiq in the same squad will only create tension.

We bengalis love to look for "sorojontro" in every thing. Now, we are wondering why Mushfiq was sent up the order against Zim. He is a capable batsman and management wanted to see how good of a bat he is before they make him the number one keeper. Whats wrong with it? It was more about picking Mushfiq then dropping Pilot.

Kusunokiryo
February 14, 2007, 09:43 AM
Lots of talking about Khaled Mashud. Please don’t forget the golden moments of Bangladesh cricket when pilot reached BD team to destination to win ICC trophy. Please check the ODI partnership record of Bangladesh.
1st 170 Shahriar Hossain & Mehrab Hossain v Zimbabwe
2nd 150 Mohammad Rafique & Aftab Ahmed v Zimbabwe
3rd 132 Aftab Ahmed & Mushfiqur Rahim v Zimbabwe
4th 175* Rajin Saleh & Habibul Bashar v Kenya
5th 109 Khaled Mahmud & Aminul Islam v India
6th 123* Al Sahariar & Khaled Mashud v West Indies
7th 89 Khaled Mashud & Alok Kapali v Kenya
8th 70* Khaled Mashud & Mohammad Rafique v New Zealand
9th 62* Khaled Mashud & Mohammad Rafique v West Indies
10th 54* Khaled Mashud & Tapash Baisya v Sri Lanka
U can find Khaled Mashud from 6th to 10th. Just Batting, not keeping.

Tigers_eye
February 14, 2007, 09:55 AM
Kusunokiryo,
Welcome to BanglaCricket.

Is there anyone dening Pilot's service to BD Cricket? Those stat mean very little since it was done years back. Please check Abahani's recent scorecard and see how he is doing with the bat. Laxman has stats that many indian who is in the team can only dream off. Yet he is not in the team but others are. Recent form should mean something before choosing someone.

Thank you.

Tigers_eye
February 14, 2007, 09:59 AM
Lets get something straight here:

It is wrong to put on the promotion of Mushfiq up the order on the selectors shoulder. Especially knowing/watching the collapse by BD on the second game. 5/75??? Ash (who griped of not getting enough chances before the tour), Bashar (with his highest run in ODI career the match before) and all the top order failed miserably. The selectors had nothing to do with this. The coach had to make a decision on changing the lineup just to see what alternative on game 3 they may have. This was a preparation for the WC. If not all cards are being played then why test or why even have this tour???

Lipu, the politician, has started this theory of promotion of Mushfiq in the lineup to get rid of KM. And the media, and his faithful has something to write about. No way, the selectors can be blamed for this. As Saber bhai here at BC clearly mentioned and personally emailed me that the lineup (best 11) and order are done by the coach, captain, and manager if present.

I love Pilot the cricketer. he is to me one of the person who I can say was one of the reason we are here (test cricket). I do not like Pilot's baggage. A bad apple can ruin the lot. He says the wrong things just like another superstar in our team.

As for experienced ones playing in the WC:
1. If one (ex-captains) agrees on allowing Tamim in the team, then they should put a sock in their mouth before talking against Mushfiq inclusion.

2. 2003 WC we had matches against minnows which we should have won. This WC we only have one match like that. If we can't win against bermuda without one or two star players then I have nothing to say. On the other hand, with the hope of upsetting either India or SL we must send a lineup as aggressive as we can. In that case if it means 83 allout so be it. At least we tried.

3. Yup!! I remember Mushiq having no clue at Bogura. But do you remember this:
a) Matches against Sussex, Norhaptonshire. Playing alongside with the seniors the boy was the only light we had. He single handedly drew the match against norhaptonshire with a 115.
b) Mirpur 5th match against Zim?? If you didn't follow the match you can't possibly comprehend how much he has matured.
c) The last two bats at Zim (the stats should be enough).

Fact: When given chances and top order fails miserably Mushfiq came to rescue and did a splendid job.

I have tasted Musfiq's sensible batting (sweet). I don't like Pilot's, Ash's, Bashar's unsensible batting (sour) any more.

Finally, if England can pick Bopara we can pick any one who has the world's potential.

Kusunokiryo
February 14, 2007, 11:46 AM
Tigers_eye
In reply of comments u have mentioned the name of Laxman. He is not a regular in indian ODI squad. He is scored 2338 runs in 86 ODI. Most of the batsmen in world cup team of india have more runs than Laxman.
Please check Khaled Mashud's last 10 ODI innings. Not very good, but not bad for a Wt keeper.

sadi
February 14, 2007, 12:08 PM
OKay here is his last 10 innings:

36 (62), 11 (30), 14* (15), 48* (77), 11 (33), 20 (38), 13 (45), 8 (8), 22* (59), 11 (28)

Avg: 27.71
SR: 49.11

I have mentioned the SR here because average alone may misguides some of you. Pilot's slow batting in the end with the tailenders have saved our faces many times yes, but we need to move on and be a little aggresive if you want to win against teams like India or Srilanka.

Tigers_eye
February 14, 2007, 01:15 PM
The last 3 doemstic outings:
8 of 13 balls against Mohammadan
7 of 5 balls run out
20* against Kalabagan which they lost.

Nothing spectacular. Against Mushfiq's 40+ and 50+ looks like a non-performer.

Mohiul
February 14, 2007, 01:59 PM
OKay here is his last 10 innings:

36 (62), 11 (30), 14* (15), 48* (77), 11 (33), 20 (38), 13 (45), 8 (8), 22* (59), 11 (28)

Avg: 27.71
SR: 49.11

In this last 10 innings, he always tried to keep himselft not out by exposing tail-enders to the opposition bowling attack and out of this 10 times he only succeded 3 times to keep himself not out. So, his percentage of success in that trying in being not out was 30% only.

This is simply a concern of lacking commitment to the team.

Kusunokiryo
February 14, 2007, 08:32 PM
Sadi
Thanks for ur information about Pilot’s last 10 inning and u r worried about his SR (49.11). I don’t want to compare it with M. Rahim. He is a genuine talent and asset for future. Do you know his SR in 9 ODIs? (56.13).
He needs time to handle the big pressure in WC. U can check all the teams considered the experienced players in their team for WC.
I think incase of batting MR is better than KM, but incase of keeping and experience behind the WTK. Please optimize between batting and keeping.

sadi
February 14, 2007, 09:03 PM
Just like I said before if keeping difference is marginal, I will go with the better batter. Pilot is a good keeper but noone can say Mushfiq isn't a decent keeper.

BD Tigers
February 14, 2007, 10:08 PM
My heart tells me we shud have taken Pilot in the team as he's the experienced one but my head tells me abt Mushfiq. Dont know who will win, only time will tell.

My only problem with Mushi is, he's too young and not tested and playing in the biggest gala, it will be a HUGE pressure on him. I hope and pray that he can cope with the pressure and keep good. I dont think he will do any good with his batting tho.

Mridul
February 14, 2007, 11:12 PM
there was no harm on taking both them in the squad...Mushfiq can easily be considered as a middle order batsman

PoorFan
February 15, 2007, 02:01 AM
there was no harm on taking both them in the squad...Mushfiq can easily be considered as a middle order batsman
See here #39 (http://banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=373212#post373212) for that matter.

nasifkhan
February 15, 2007, 03:09 AM
There is 2 possible consequences of this decision..

1. Mushfique Rahim plays very well in the WC and thereby becomes the permanent member of the team...i.e Pilot never gets a chance again..

2. Mushfiq fails to cope up with Huge pressure thereby kicked from the team and Pilot returns to get his place back. And last of of, we destroy a genuine asset of our country as Mushfiq will never get the chance to return in the team again.

Lets hope & pray that Mushfiq can cope with the pressure .....

bapzmania
February 15, 2007, 03:52 AM
interview of Pilot before bangladesh team went to Zimbabwe...a few comments about Mushfiq by pilot....

Q. For taking rest, you are making way to Mushfiqur Rahim. Your comments on this.

Ans: It is not right that I am making way to Mushfiqur Rahim. He is playing in my position as I am on rest.

Q. Your views on Mushfiq.

Ans: He is doing well as a young wicket keeper. But he needs to be more qualified to be fit for international matches. He needs to do a lot of hard work. Cricket is a tough game. As you can avail success in this game overnight, you can collaspe also in same fashion. First of all you need to survive

Q. Is Mushfiq skillful as your replacement?

Ans: See, I am playing cricket for 18 to 19 years. After such a long time my team can depend on
me. Mushfiq needs more chances to prove himself. Besides as I see Mushfiq is yet to prove himself. I found neglected wicket keeper Shaheen as the best. Because I saw him very closely playing in the National League. Last year he played for DOHS. Selectors could have thought about him. Shaheen could have done better than Mushfiq. The main flaw of Shaheen is his batting. Mushfiq might have an edge over him as a batsman. That is why team management has not considered Shaheen.

http://www.bangladeshinfo.com/cricket/interviews.php

zakirc
February 15, 2007, 07:42 AM
Remember Asif Karim in the last world cup? The Insurance salseman who was brought out of retirement to spearhead the Kenyan bowling. Obviously, other than experience, Asif did not have any performance numbers working for him. If you have already forgotten, Kenya made it to the SEMI-FINAL last time ! And Asif still holds the world record for best world cup bowling performance ! Do you wonder why Russel Arnold and Tuffey are included back in the WC squads of SL and NZ?
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WE need him.

You seem to remember Asif Karim's performance very well but forgotten (maybe even forgiven) Pilot's performance against this very Kenya Side that made it to the Semi's. So typical ....

Protic
February 18, 2007, 04:30 AM
I think KM's spot has been Taken by Mushfiqur Rahim..in every form of cricket..UNLESS he plays so bad..that we are forced to bring KM back.

Warlock
February 18, 2007, 11:11 AM
This post makes some good reading. But having said that, I think we should be more concerned about our top-order producing some runs in either the Sl or the IND match, than arguing if dropping pilot was right. Becasue I think that is a more important issue. As for Mushfiq, I think he will do just fine. In the coming WC, his average may be even higher than that of Ash's.

rafiq
February 18, 2007, 11:34 AM
I just think both pilot and mushfiq should have been in the squad, this controversy would not have erupted, and we would have taken 2 very good players on the team. At the end of the day, the decision to drop pilot had nothing to do with cricket or his recent form or mushfiq's superior talent but had more to do with typical bangladeshi decision making process. I think all I can do as a fan is just wish the team that is going well. But you do get a sinking feeling in the stomach that all will not go well.

AsifTheManRahman
February 18, 2007, 12:33 PM
But you do get a sinking feeling in the stomach that all will not go well.

As usual, we really have only ourselves to blame if all doesn't go well. Why create unnecessary pressure on the kid by pushing CB to include Pilot in the team? Why all the nation-wide bidroho? Why not just accept Mushfiq and hope for the best? Instead EVERYONE, including the fans, ex-cricketers and reporters had to pile the pressure up and create tension. i don't blame the media that much because they earn their bread off creating controversies, but at least the fans, and more importantly the ex-cricketers, should realize that their actions have consequences. Us Bangladeshis are just too emotional - we never think rationally, and it looks like the individual always comes before the benefit of the country.

When I read about the "No Pilot no world cup" drive, shobgulare jhata peta korte iccha korsilo. natoker ekta limit ase.

PoorFan
February 19, 2007, 05:10 AM
As usual, we really have only ourselves to blame if all doesn't go well. Why create unnecessary pressure on the kid by pushing CB to include Pilot in the team? Why all the nation-wide bidroho? Why not just accept Mushfiq and hope for the best? Instead EVERYONE, including the fans, ex-cricketers and reporters had to pile the pressure up and create tension. i don't blame the media that much because they earn their bread off creating controversies, but at least the fans, and more importantly the ex-cricketers, should realize that their actions have consequences. Us Bangladeshis are just too emotional - we never think rationally, and it looks like the individual always comes before the benefit of the country.

When I read about the "No Pilot no world cup" drive, shobgulare jhata peta korte iccha korsilo. natoker ekta limit ase.
<!--StartFragment -->Well, I cant blame fans, but ex cricketer and media! They are the one who should get your 'jhata peta'. <!--StartFragment -->They are the one making it all emotional and conspiracy issue.

Baundule
February 19, 2007, 08:48 AM
Agree completely with Billah.
Leaving out Mashud is a big mistake and a bigger injustice. As an wicket-keeper he is by far the best we have.

And those who are speaking about his batting, his secondary duty, must have forgot that he bats lower down the order (7, 8 or 9) and against easier teams like kenya and Zimbabwe he does not usually get a chance to bat. He is there in the middle when the team is facing a collapse and a face-saving effort is necessary. YOu can hardly think about the scoring rate. After being set, Pilot is quite capable of accelerating at the death. Most often he runs out of partners. You could easily see his last few performances against the likes of Australia, England and Sri Lanka. Among our batsmen everyone except Nafees and Aftab is 'DuDhvat' at present.

And now the way he is left out before from a major event is deally depressing. If Rahim is doing exceptionally well, he could be selected as a batsman. This does not mean that you have to dump the best wicket-keeper. I wish all the good luck to Rahim. But once he is incapable of sustaining all the pressure, I am sure he will also be dumped like Selim. Poor selectors!

Baundule
February 19, 2007, 08:57 AM
In this last 10 innings, he always tried to keep himselft not out by exposing tail-enders to the opposition bowling attack and out of this 10 times he only succeded 3 times to keep himself not out. So, his percentage of success in that trying in being not out was 30% only.

This is simply a concern of lacking commitment to the team.

Pilot himself is a lower-middle to tailender. He bats usually at positions 7, 8 or 9. Against the weaker teams he is usually not needed to bat. He most often comes as a rescue act against the likes of Australia, England and SL. So, by commitment do you mean, it would be better, if he was hitting a 15 balls 20 and then getting the team all-out?

AsifTheManRahman
February 19, 2007, 11:17 AM
I am sure he will also be dumped like Selim. Poor selectors!

well Selim was never going to make it in the team for long. mushfiq is in a totally different class, and the selectors know it. a few failures will not be enough to dump him.

Baundule
February 19, 2007, 11:44 AM
well Selim was never going to make it in the team for long. mushfiq is in a totally different class, and the selectors know it. a few failures will not be enough to dump him.

ATMR, it is unjustice to this kid at any case. If the selectors were determined to give him a chance, why wasn't he selected much earlier in stead of pilot? And it is really sad that he has to bear all these comparisons with pilot. That's a huge pressure, especially for a major event like the world cup.

About the class thing, we have seen many classes so far....Rajin or Ashraful or Nafees Iqbal...none of them was a class lower than him and now we know the result ;)

Anher
February 19, 2007, 12:43 PM
We only got 3 matchs in First round. India & Srilanka will be explosive. You have to score or chase above 300. If you want make an upset against them you have to be explosive there. No holding back. I am happy with first eleven with Shahriar Nafis and Tamim Iqbal openning in first ODI. If tamim fail replace with Rajin Saleh. Pilot very very rarely effective in big scoring game. Please end this pilot saga and wish good luck to WC team except JO. I am sick of this Man.

Sauron
February 19, 2007, 01:35 PM
Billah,

Agree with you on the Rajin and JO selection. I would have gone with Farhad and TI/Rana. Don't forget Rana was phenomenal in the ODIs in Windies.
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Cricket. In time he will see the situation for what it is and no doubt come back to serve the cause in a different role.

I am just reading this thread today.

I liked Pilot's exclusion and I'd be supre disappointed if he got back in the team because of after-the-fact arguments. But Billah successfully planted some doubt in my mind.

But then, what a post RazabQ! I'm back in reality now.


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Baundule
February 19, 2007, 03:15 PM
For the strike rate fans:

Pilot: 54.84
Rajin: 54.82
Bulbul: 56.59
Akram: 56.71
Golla: 52.21
HB: 61.49
Ash: 70.33
Nafis Iqbal: 54.40
Aftab: 86.09
Mushfiqur Rahim: 56.13
Sakib: 69.77
Mehrab jr.: 43.76

So, I dont see any great improvement in the scoring rate, if Mushfiq is playing in stead of Pilot. What do you think?

And one more thing, out of his 9 ODIs Mushfiq played 7 matches against Zim and 2 against Scottland. What you do get from this stat? Decision is yours!

Murad
February 19, 2007, 03:19 PM
pilot will come back very soon......

i want him to be playing in the TEST matches.. hes a very goood test player....

Murad
February 19, 2007, 03:23 PM
For the strike rate fans:

Pilot: 54.84
Rajin: 54.82
Bulbul: 56.59
Akram: 56.71
Golla: 52.21
HB: 61.49
Ash: 70.33
Nafis Iqbal: 54.40
Aftab: 86.09
Mushfiqur Rahim: 56.13
Sakib: 69.77
Mehrab jr.: 43.76

So, I dont see any great improvement in the scoring rate, if Mushfiq is playing in stead of Pilot. What do you think?

And one more thing, out of his 9 ODIs Mushfiq played 7 matches against Zim and 2 against Scottland. What you do get from this stat? Decision is yours!


ora shobai TEST khele ODI match e... except.. ash, sakib and aftab...

strike rate diye bd team e kisu hobena..shobaii slow.. kintu slow hole o run to asha dorkar.. sheta.. amader PILOT bhai korte parennna...odi te...

but he willl be better in test matches...

Baundule
February 20, 2007, 11:22 AM
ora shobai TEST khele ODI match e... except.. ash, sakib and aftab...

strike rate diye bd team e kisu hobena..shobaii slow.. kintu slow hole o run to asha dorkar.. sheta.. amader PILOT bhai korte parennna...odi te...

but he willl be better in test matches...

Murad bhai, actually 2006 a Khaled Mashud er average onnoder tulonay onek better, jodio KM Zim-Kenyar moto dudh-bhat team er against a bat korar sujog kom pae ;)

Apni tar last 20 ODIr performance dekhlei bujhben, take baad deowar karon ar jai houk, performance na.

nobody
February 20, 2007, 10:13 PM
Baundule bhai,
With the exception of 1 or 2 matches in all other matches our batting collapsed. So Masud did not get a chance is not true. He actually jeoperdise the sitution. Remember the second match againest Kenya in Kenya.
He is not a team man that is already proven. I am just giving one example. He could not keep for Abahoni. He played as batsmen. To accomodate him Abahoni drop reguler keeper Kuntal. Then he is playing as a late order batsmen. None of the matches he played came before number 6. his performance - only an odd 20. If he is a team man he should drop himself or play in top order. And I am not talking about the WC2003 report. If you have the time please read it. I think we have it here
But anyway lets move on and wish the best for our team