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Mohiul
February 16, 2007, 06:50 AM
Recently, in expressing their dessappointment regarding team selection, two of the ex-captains Akram & Lipu were criticising the role of Dave Whatmore in BD cricket. ‘When Dav Whatmore came here in 2003, he said his main focus would be to find a combination before the World Cup 2007. Now what we have seen? Three changes from the Zimbabwe tour suggested Bangladesh had never a settled team during his period,’ said Akram. 'Coach failed to make a long-term plan' said by Lipu.

I think Whatmore has done a pretty good job so far. I don't think this much bold & harsh comments is due for him. Before making any criticism one should appreciate his positive role first. After doing that only anyone can make some due criticism if there is any.

What do you think about the performance of Whatmore? How you accept these comments by them two ex-captains? Please feel free to discuss.

Sumon77
February 16, 2007, 07:01 AM
Actually they are not happy about Pilot's exclusion as it appeared that Whatmore was the first to raise this issue in the selection meeting. And what Akram accusing him for not to have a long term plan, I think actually including Mushfiq in place of Pilot proves that Whatmore has long term plan which will serve BD team even beyond WC07. So I think whatmore done pretty decent job so far.

Miraz
February 16, 2007, 07:34 AM
Look at the following stats and make your own judgment

Pre Dav Whatmore era

P W L T NR % HS LS MC LC BatAv BowAv R/6b C/6b

unfiltered 147 31 114 0 2 21% 301 76 391 105 21.3 37.0 4.04 4.96
filtered 71 3 66 0 2 4% 272 76 347 161 18.9 46.1 3.75 5.27

Dav Whatmore era


P W L T NR % HS LS MC LC BatAv BowAv R/6b C/6b

unfiltered 147 31 114 0 2 21% 301 76 391 105 21.3 37.0 4.04 4.96
filtered 76 28 48 0 0 37% 301 86 391 105 23.8 30.9 4.30 4.67

Farhad
February 16, 2007, 11:36 AM
Miraz Bhai is determined on justifying the inclusion :D We get it man! We read the huge number of threads on his average already. Leaving Pilot out was the best thing the selectors did IMO. No one coach can expect to have 0 critics

israr
February 16, 2007, 11:41 AM
Whatmore should not leave us, atleast till 2011 WC.

Tigers_eye
February 16, 2007, 11:52 AM
Could have done better but the selectors interfered too much. Matha mota gula wanted short-term result instead of long-term. 1 vote against 3 votes is no match. He has to play with cards that was dealt to him.

From Miraz's stat:
Focusing on batting average improvement of 18.9 to 23.8. Not that significant. However, the bowling average from 46.1 to 30.9 is a significant drop which is a great improvement. Add our bowlers regular injuries, the numbers would speak volumes. Runrate improvement from 3.75 to 4.30 is a significant improvement.

Over all he did a good job.

akabir77
February 16, 2007, 12:09 PM
Dav got some week points. Even though he helped us tremendously i think he done some stuff wrong

Like including young player to early.
Not let any opener set.

Other these two things i think some times he lacks the game plan (this game to game)...

I wish we could have richardmcness as a couch...

He also till now didn't get a specialist batsman or bowler to help our guys...

Miraz
February 16, 2007, 12:15 PM
Could have done better but the selectors interfered too much. Matha mota gula wanted short-term result instead of long-term. 1 vote against 3 votes is no match. He has to play with cards that was dealt to him.

From Miraz's stat:
Focusing on batting average improvement of 18.9 to 23.8. Not that significant. However, the bowling average from 46.1 to 30.9 is a significant drop which is a great improvement. Add our bowlers regular injuries, the numbers would speak volumes. Runrate improvement from 3.75 to 4.30 is a significant improvement.

Over all he did a good job.

IMO, batting average improvement of around 5 (23.8 from 18.9) is quite significant as it adds about 30-40 runs to your team total which can be deciding factoir between a win and a loss.

To add to your fact, 4.67 from 5.27 is a significant improvement in runs conceded in every 6 ball. This means we are restricting our more opponents in lower scores which effectively increasing our winning chances.

Spitfire_x86
February 16, 2007, 12:51 PM
IMO, batting average improvement of around 5 (23.8 from 18.9) is quite significant as it adds about 30-40 runs to your team total which can be deciding factoir between a win and a loss.

To add to your fact, 4.67 from 5.27 is a significant improvement in runs conceded in every 6 ball. This means we are restricting our more opponents in lower scores which effectively increasing our winning chances.
I'm sure all those ODIs against crippled Zimbo and Kenya had significant impact on the stats.

Murad
February 16, 2007, 03:32 PM
i dont like this coach anymore..he was good before..now hes getting lazy.. and making the captain lazy too....
we neeed a better coach... like engllish coach....

somehow the those ex-cricketers are right about him...

look at the ashraful issue,,, few months before we saw on the news paper that dav doesnt talk to ashraful that much...

pellu
February 16, 2007, 08:43 PM
I often found asking myself is Dav Whatmore as good as we think he is. Media makes a big deal about his winning world cup but I always felt that Sri Lanka team was already doing very well before he joined them. At least it was not the case that he took a really bad team and made them win the world cup. If we consider that then we could probably set our expectation right. People like Sobers laid the foundation for Sri lankan create and then Dav Whatmore ripped the benefit.

What is really important for Bangladesh is to keep the local league and age-group efforts running. Before long we will rip benefits from our domestic cricket. Hoping a coach to fly in and do miracle is really unreasonable.

That being said, having a world cup winning coach has been helpful. He made our players more confident that they would have been otherwise. Remember how we beat the expectation during Australia tour (the team was roughly the same but confidence level was higher). If we managed to win the test match against Pakistan, history of our cricket could have been different (we lost about two years after that in lack of confidence). Agreed there is gap in techniques and talent but confidence matters quite a bit.

So overall Whatmore has been a very good influence on our cricket. If luck favored us a bit (If we managed test wins against Pakistan and Australia), we would have been in a totally different ball game by now (even with the same players playing).

Recently, in expressing their dessappointment regarding team selection, two of the ex-captains Akram & Lipu were criticising the role of Dave Whatmore in BD cricket. ‘When Dav Whatmore came here in 2003, he said his main focus would be to find a combination before the World Cup 2007. Now what we have seen? Three changes from the Zimbabwe tour suggested Bangladesh had never a settled team during his period,’ said Akram. 'Coach failed to make a long-term plan' said by Lipu.

I think Whatmore has done a pretty good job so far. I don't think this much bold & harsh comments is due for him. Before making any criticism one should appreciate his positive role first. After doing that only anyone can make some due criticism if there is any.

What do you think about the performance of Whatmore? How you accept these comments by them two ex-captains? Please feel free to discuss.

shujan
February 17, 2007, 01:59 AM
who are Akram and Lipu? This Abahoni players talk too much. They better zip it.

BD-Shardul
February 17, 2007, 03:40 AM
Guys, we dont know how inconsistent our BD team is. The greatest contribution of Dav is that he has at last brought consistency in the team, which was terribly missing before he joined us. Now we can expect something from the tigers.

pial
February 17, 2007, 08:10 PM
who are Akram and Lipu? This Abahoni players talk too much. They better zip it.

Both of the names you mentioned have more credibility rather than just Abahoni players, you have evey right not to agree with their comments. However being Bangladeshi cricket fans we made more serious comments every day. They never ever adviced to Zip off BC forum.

Sam
February 18, 2007, 07:56 AM
I'm sure all those ODIs against crippled Zimbo and Kenya had significant impact on the stats.
I was expecting these words from you, SpitF.
And you are right.

TheWatcher
February 18, 2007, 09:16 AM
I was expecting these words from you, SpitF.
And you are right.
He sure is. For example, look at Aftab, Rajin, and SN's averages when you take out scores against Zim, Ken, and Scot-

Rajin- 19.36
Aftab- 19.96
SN- 22.87

Big differences from their career averages, showing the importance why we need to filter out stats against minnows.

esteban_loaiza
February 18, 2007, 12:16 PM
Dont know about Whatmore, but the selectors should be gone if Bangladesh fail to qualify for 2nd round in World Cup.

sar2005
February 20, 2007, 05:24 PM
Can you please take away the ODI status of this minows?? Give it a try.

He sure is. For example, look at Aftab, Rajin, and SN's averages when you take out scores against Zim, Ken, and Scot-

Rajin- 19.36
Aftab- 19.96
SN- 22.87

Big differences from their career averages, showing the importance why we need to filter out stats against minnows.

shujan
February 22, 2007, 12:44 AM
Both of the names you mentioned have more credibility rather than just Abahoni players, you have evey right not to agree with their comments. However being Bangladeshi cricket fans we made more serious comments every day. They never ever adviced to Zip off BC forum.


I do advice them to zip it. Because they are saying this kinda crap shoot for years which does not make any sense. I do not want to hear the same complain over and over again which does not have any substance.

billah
February 22, 2007, 01:38 AM
Look at the following stats and make your own judgment

Pre Dav Whatmore era

P W L T NR % HS LS MC LC BatAv BowAv R/6b C/6b

unfiltered 147 31 114 0 2 21% 301 76 391 105 21.3 37.0 4.04 4.96
filtered 71 3 66 0 2 4% 272 76 347 161 18.9 46.1 3.75 5.27

Dav Whatmore era


P W L T NR % HS LS MC LC BatAv BowAv R/6b C/6b

unfiltered 147 31 114 0 2 21% 301 76 391 105 21.3 37.0 4.04 4.96
filtered 76 28 48 0 0 37% 301 86 391 105 23.8 30.9 4.30 4.67


Miraz: I have to make a comment here. After all, you are floating the same set of numbers in more than one thread. Actually, here's another prime example of how numbers could be misleading.

You know how some of us say, Bashar is the most successful captain in Bangladesh cricket history? Well, you see, our next captain will automatically be more successful than Bashar. The following skipper will be even more successful. That's what happens when you start from almost zero.

As a developing side, our set of data with the next coach will look even more spectacular, compared to Whatmore. Given the speed of our development, this may go on for next ten coaches, until we reach a pateau with our upswing.

Your data here, thus, is irrelevant. Using this sort of argument in Whatmore's favor is really a moot point. Hope you will understand. I would say, horizontal analysis, side-by-side with equal strength teams, within same era, under similar conditions, against opponents of matching strength, would be relavant. You seem to like digging numbers. Why dont you give that a try?

Thanks.

Miraz
February 22, 2007, 05:54 AM
Miraz: I have to make a comment here. After all, you are floating the same set of numbers in more than one thread. Actually, here's another prime example of how numbers could be misleading.

Look at the context before making the comment. I posted these Data in only two threads where the credentials of Dav Whatmore are discussed. I found it quite relevant.


You know how some of us say, Bashar is the most successful captain in Bangladesh cricket history? Well, you see, our next captain will automatically be more successful than Bashar. The following skipper will be even more successful. That's what happens when you start from almost zero.


As a developing side, our set of data with the next coach will look even more spectacular, compared to Whatmore. Given the speed of our development, this may go on for next ten coaches, until we reach a pateau with our upswing.

Thanks.Billah bhai, sorry cannot agree with you in some parts. We must give credit wheere it is due. This is one of our generalized weakness (probably built in our sub-continent culture) that we always look for the loop holes with magnifying glass and over look the mammoth successes as it was bound to happen.

Your statement about success is a very gross generalization which is not true. According to you, we started from Zero. This is a vague statement. Now, from when you count the zero? From 1979 when Bangladesh started to play ICC trophy? From 1986 when Bangladesh first played ODI? From 1997 when Bangladesh first qualified for the World Cup Cricket? From 2000, when Bangladesh was awarded test status? Make your zero mark clear, it will be easy for subsequent discussion.

Now, as a generalization, I can take two points as Zero, either 1997 when Bangladesh first qualified for the World Cup or 2000 when Bangladesh was awarded test status.

According to your logic, Bangladesh have done better in each and every year after that. And the subsequent Captains and Coaches were more successful than their predecessors. Is that a truth? It's a blatant lie.

Except world cup 1999 success, Bangladesh has no other success between the period 1997-2000 (pre test status era). After getting the test status from 2000-2003 (pre Dav era) Bangladesh's had no success in either form of the game. According to your logic which should not happen. The jokers from Pakistan (Mohsin Kamal and Ali Zia) and Trevor Chappel should have been much more successful than Gordon Greenidge or Mohindar Amarnath . I think everyone knows the truth.

Success is never guaranteed in this way. You must need proper plan and skill in place to achieve that. Those stats are not table made, those are earned from the field. I am not posting the stats of our previous coaches as that will be waste of time.

You said about reaching plateau. Yeap, it will happen hopefully in future. Now, there is lot of ways of achieving plateau. You can accelerate your speed in reaching that or you can simply wait to get it happened. This is what Whatmore has done, he accelerated the speed of success . With the pace Trevor/Mohsin were progressing (I doubt any progress) it would take zillion years to reach the plateau. After Whatmore, you can see the plateau coming within years.

I don't want comment about McInnes as he never managed senior sides. Successes at age group and senior level in most cases are not translatable. (Bangladesh being the prime example of that)

Your data here, thus, is irrelevant. Using this sort of argument in Whatmore's favor is really a moot point. Hope you will understand. I would say, horizontal analysis, side-by-side with equal strength teams, within same era, under similar conditions, against opponents of matching strength, would be relavant. You seem to like digging numbers. Why dont you give that a try?You can brand it irrelevant, it's your freedom of expression. I find it quite relevant as it clearly shows the sign of progress Bangladesh has made under Whatmore. I appreciate his contribution and fully endorse that he made Bangladesh a competitive side. Even if we say good bye to Dav after this world cup, it will be a tremendous challenge to the new coach to maintain the development graph. If we get a new coach and pass few years under his supervision, I will think about your proposal of making horizontal analysis, side-by-side with equal strength teams, within same era, under similar conditions, against opponents of matching strength. At this point, it is simply irrelevant.

Thanks.

Mohiul
February 22, 2007, 07:34 AM
The jokers from Pakistan (Mohsin Kamal and Ali Zia)

Title of the year 2007

Stumped
February 27, 2007, 06:40 AM
interesting reads on alot of these topics....

israr
February 27, 2007, 02:02 PM
Look at the context before making the comment. I posted these Data in only two threads where the credentials of Dav Whatmore are discussed. I found it quite relevant.

Billah bhai, sorry cannot agree with you in some parts. We must give credit wheere it is due. This is one of our generalized weakness (probably built in our sub-continent culture) that we always look for the loop holes with magnifying glass and over look the mammoth successes as it was bound to happen.

Your statement about success is a very gross generalization which is not true. According to you, we started from Zero. This is a vague statement. Now, from when you count the zero? From 1979 when Bangladesh started to play ICC trophy? From 1986 when Bangladesh first played ODI? From 1997 when Bangladesh first qualified for the World Cup Cricket? From 2000, when Bangladesh was awarded test status? Make your zero mark clear, it will be easy for subsequent discussion.

Now, as a generalization, I can take two points as Zero, either 1997 when Bangladesh first qualified for the World Cup or 2000 when Bangladesh was awarded test status.

According to your logic, Bangladesh have done better in each and every year after that. And the subsequent Captains and Coaches were more successful than their predecessors. Is that a truth? It's a blatant lie.

Except world cup 1999 success, Bangladesh has no other success between the period 1997-2000 (pre test status era). After getting the test status from 2000-2003 (pre Dav era) Bangladesh's had no success in either form of the game. According to your logic which should not happen. The jokers from Pakistan (Mohsin Kamal and Ali Zia) and Trevor Chappel should have been much more successful than Gordon Greenidge or Mohindar Amarnath . I think everyone knows the truth.

Success is never guaranteed in this way. You must need proper plan and skill in place to achieve that. Those stats are not table made, those are earned from the field. I am not posting the stats of our previous coaches as that will be waste of time.

You said about reaching plateau. Yeap, it will happen hopefully in future. Now, there is lot of ways of achieving plateau. You can accelerate your speed in reaching that or you can simply wait to get it happened. This is what Whatmore has done, he accelerated the speed of success . With the pace Trevor/Mohsin were progressing (I doubt any progress) it would take zillion years to reach the plateau. After Whatmore, you can see the plateau coming within years.

I don't want comment about McInnes as he never managed senior sides. Successes at age group and senior level in most cases are not translatable. (Bangladesh being the prime example of that)

You can brand it irrelevant, it's your freedom of expression. I find it quite relevant as it clearly shows the sign of progress Bangladesh has made under Whatmore. I appreciate his contribution and fully endorse that he made Bangladesh a competitive side. Even if we say good bye to Dav after this world cup, it will be a tremendous challenge to the new coach to maintain the development graph. If we get a new coach and pass few years under his supervision, I will think about your proposal of making horizontal analysis, side-by-side with equal strength teams, within same era, under similar conditions, against opponents of matching strength. At this point, it is simply irrelevant.

Thanks.

Brilliant!:)

Spitfire_x86
February 27, 2007, 06:13 PM
Can you please take away the ODI status of this minows?? Give it a try.
Does any other team play 24 (+1 today) ODIs in a year against minnows only?

Stumped
February 27, 2007, 11:53 PM
Look at the following stats and make your own judgment

Pre Dav Whatmore era

P W L T NR % HS LS MC LC BatAv BowAv R/6b C/6b

unfiltered 147 31 114 0 2 21% 301 76 391 105 21.3 37.0 4.04 4.96
filtered 71 3 66 0 2 4% 272 76 347 161 18.9 46.1 3.75 5.27

Dav Whatmore era


P W L T NR % HS LS MC LC BatAv BowAv R/6b C/6b

unfiltered 147 31 114 0 2 21% 301 76 391 105 21.3 37.0 4.04 4.96
filtered 76 28 48 0 0 37% 301 86 391 105 23.8 30.9 4.30 4.67


I dun get these.... before dav coached.... bangladesh had not won a game... how ar these stats supposed to be read?

Outswinger
February 28, 2007, 01:07 AM
Who cares about those 2 ex-captains ? Did they win any series in odis' or international test series so far ? So , it doesn't really matter when they are not happy .

Bashar is happy about his performance and he won the test & odi series both . So , you can find out who is the most experienced captain of Bangladesh .

Imteaz
March 19, 2007, 06:07 AM
Bangladesh Slectors and Ex-Captain SHould Not Criticize Whatmore. Because So Far What We are, Just Because of Whatmore.

Stumped
March 22, 2007, 05:16 PM
Muradnyc - Lazy?! U want to call Dav lazy?! Dont even start sayin such stupid things
- English coach?! U mean the guy who is coaching England now or a white
person? Cos last time i checked his passport it said he is Aussie. Born in
Sri-lanka yes... but is as english as they come.
- This whole thing awhile back with Ash and Dav has been cleared up. It
was and is something that was made to be bigger than what it was. The
communication between them is fine.

Akabir - I dunno how many times people have to bring this up! There have been specialists... and young players are good for a team. When dav came they were all over freaking 30!! U wanna only play them until one by one they start gettin major injuries and then you have no team or then put young ones in with no prior ecperience?! Wake up...

kaisermatin
March 22, 2007, 09:33 PM
sri lanka will win tomorrow

BagherBacha
March 22, 2007, 09:44 PM
.... and bangladesh will make it to semi-final. write it down guys. :flag:

cricman
March 22, 2007, 09:47 PM
As much of Critic of DW as I am stop ripping the guy he took a Job that Nobody wanted and slowing turned us from the laughstock of cricket to no longer being considered minnows

Sif
March 22, 2007, 10:06 PM
I dont beleive it Whatmore did soo much for Bangladesh and the only reason Bd is in this position is because of whatmore and thoose ex captains are talking nonsense about him...this is bs!!!

jabbar
March 22, 2007, 10:41 PM
Your data here, thus, is irrelevant. Using this sort of argument in Whatmore's favor is really a moot point. Hope you will understand. I would say, horizontal analysis, side-by-side with equal strength teams, within same era, under similar conditions, against opponents of matching strength, would be relavant. You seem to like digging numbers. Why dont you give that a try?

Thanks.

:shh:
Sorry but you are (partially) wrong. If Bangladesh happened to have bad luck, and ended up with a bad coach (cf. Greg Chappell), then we may even have seen a reduction in performance. You can't assume that Bangladesh will continue on an "Upward Trend". You need only look at Zimbabwe and their travails to see that. Given that Bangladesh is, and has been, in such an anarchic state over so many years, a bad coach and support staff would have allowed other disruptive forces (such as national and cricket board politics) to interfere with the teams harmony, and ultimately, performance.

On the flipside, given that there may be some natural tendency to improve over the course of experience, we should perhaps consider how much "value" Dav Whatmore presents. Has he helped to boost our upward trend? My personal feelings are .... well, I'm not sure. I think that there have been a few occasions where Bangladesh have created "upset" results, like the recent India game. But are these random blips, or are the blips coming closer and closer together?

If we want to compare apples with apples, perhaps we should look at how India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Zimbabwe have improved when they were first elevated to Test status. My knowledge on this is rather scratchy, but my understanding is that Bangladesh's trend is actually much much better that any of these former "minnows". We have actually achieved a lot more in a shorter amount of time. If anyone has hard facts on the performance of India, Pak, SL and Zimbo in their respective early days, please share so we can make a fair comparison.

Cheers

PS: Although comparing teams from different eras is not entirely fair, it is safe to say that Bangladesh are in a very competitive competition these days, making their performances worthy of comparison to those of previous eras.

allrounder
March 22, 2007, 10:43 PM
I think Bd players do not listen to Dav as much as they should. They keep making the same foolish mistakes with the bat every time they are out there in the crease. Look at Shariar Nafees getting the same type of LBW against India and Sl, how easily the bowlers fooled him, also Tamim got out similar style pushing a ball that is moving away, Aftab blindly trying to hit balls, Bashar getting run outs. Come on we see the same type of mistake by the same player, what does that tell us? Either Dav did not tell them how to solve these problems or they do not listen to him and play their 'natural game'.

BostonTigers
March 22, 2007, 10:46 PM
What Whatmore has done for this team is pure magic. He has given the BD players one of the most important thing that was missing from them. Self confidence to win against any opponent.

Plus the opening pair between Tamin and Nafees is a great find. Hopefully these two will serve the BD team for a long time. It's funny but after the win against India I saw at a Bangladeshi newspaper Akram Khan praising the batting of Mushfiqur Rahim.

I hope for the sake of Bangladesh cricket our Board retains Whatmore till 2011 WC. Another few years under Whatmore, the Tigers will a force in World cricket.

kaisermatin
March 22, 2007, 11:04 PM
bujtesi na ki abol tabol bolche sobai. but there is definitely some improvement. it did not happen without a plan. so kudos to all involved with the management and ofcourse the coach.

rickshaman
March 23, 2007, 12:30 AM
What Whatmore has done for this team is pure magic. He has given the BD players one of the most important thing that was missing from them. Self confidence to win against any opponent.

Plus the opening pair between Tamin and Nafees is a great find. Hopefully these two will serve the BD team for a long time. It's funny but after the win against India I saw at a Bangladeshi newspaper Akram Khan praising the batting of Mushfiqur Rahim.

I hope for the sake of Bangladesh cricket our Board retains Whatmore till 2011 WC. Another few years under Whatmore, the Tigers will a force in World cricket.

what else would akram say???? mushfiq batted poorly???? lolz newayz...i dont think akram had anything against mushfiq! he just did not like masud being out of the team.

GO SRILANKA!!!!

jabbar
March 23, 2007, 12:40 AM
Let me add my opinion here (it was probably not clear in my previous post): I think Dav Whatmore is a big big positive for BD cricket. He has been the catalyst for many changes. I also agree with BostonTigers that he has given them self-confidence, which is the biggest weapon in any team's armory. Without it, you might as well not even compete...

jabbar
March 23, 2007, 12:44 AM
bujtesi na ki abol tabol bolche sobai. but there is definitely some improvement. it did not happen without a plan. so kudos to all involved with the management and ofcourse the coach.

jabbar mia abol tabol bole nah! :snob:

amethyst
March 23, 2007, 01:22 AM
two words:

Whatmore Zindabad

:fanflag:

Want More
of
Whatmore

:D (lol.. does that make sense? )

scoilaheez
March 23, 2007, 03:09 AM
Whatmore has been brilliant for Bangladesh and we need to ensure he continues for another 4 years. The professionalism introduced has been fantastic for this team.

bapzmania
March 23, 2007, 03:20 AM
:-D whatmore is gonna shut all mouth when he will take bangladesh to super 8.......

PoorFan
March 23, 2007, 04:35 AM
Whatmore? NO more.

Baundule
March 23, 2007, 05:17 AM
Pilot should have been selected. When something is going right, you dont have to break it down and try to re-fix it.

Again, nothing against Rahim. If he is doing well, he could be selected as a batsman. It makes no sense to drag him almost directly to the world cup as a wk.

Anyway, as long as the team is improving, the coach will be praised; and if the team is declining, the coach will be held responsible for. That's an easy calculation;)

Braveheart
March 23, 2007, 10:12 AM
Pilot should have been selected. When something is going right, you dont have to break it down and try to re-fix it.

Again, nothing against Rahim. If he is doing well, he could be selected as a batsman. It makes no sense to drag him almost directly to the world cup as a wk.

Anyway, as long as the team is improving, the coach will be praised; and if the team is declining, the coach will be held responsible for. That's an easy calculation;)

If you want use Rahim just as a batsman whom do u kick out of the team?

anik
March 23, 2007, 12:13 PM
If you want use Rahim just as a batsman whom do u kick out of the team?

lol bashar. Stupid-er moto out hoy shob match-e.

pial
March 23, 2007, 03:50 PM
A new coach needs some time (1/2) year to understand the team and cricket cultue of the team. We don't have thet time if we want to perform very well in WC 2011.

We need Dev Whatmore with some accountibility.

moula
March 23, 2007, 05:38 PM
this two excaptain from "abahani" are not happy b/c of exclusion of pilot who played for abahani for long time also. mushfique made some mistake in 2nd game, but lets not forget his performancein beating india. ei captain ra ekhon mone chape rakha kosto prokash korse. ar ekta kotha, sei den ashraful bade ar kon bangladeshi valo khelse, joto dosh nondo ghosh (mushfiq). mone pore jokhon ashraful kharap khello ar BD harlo, sob dosh ashraful er, mone hoi ar kono player nei.

WarWolf
March 24, 2007, 02:33 AM
Whatmore is a good coach. He has done his hard work for Bangladesh cricket. But I strongly believe that he needs to be replaced. Every top team in the world changes their coach after 4/5 years. This is because players get nothing new from him after this time. I am sure Srilanka and Australia will change their coach after this world cup just for this reason. We need a pretty much attacking coach now. Now is the million dollar question, who will be the next coach?

CTazim
March 25, 2007, 06:51 PM
McInnes!!

BANFAN
March 27, 2007, 10:42 AM
Whatmore is a good coach. He has done his hard work for Bangladesh cricket. But I strongly believe that he needs to be replaced. Every top team in the world changes their coach after 4/5 years. This is because players get nothing new from him after this time. I am sure Srilanka and Australia will change their coach after this world cup just for this reason. We need a pretty much attacking coach now. Now is the million dollar question, who will be the next coach?

Wait a minute, A new coach will be a disaster for us now. We are yet to become Aus/Sri.He still has a lot to give and steady the ship. Can't even dream of changing coach.