Whatmore Contract not getting renewed?

[BostonTigers]

The Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) may not renew contract with coach Dav Whatmore beyond the World Cup. This was the headline shown on bdnews24 website.

Does anybody else have any further news on this issue. I knew that BCB had their meeting yesterday regarding this issue. If this is true then it would be a great loss for BD cricket.

[Mike]

I think you are right. I was reading "The Shamokal" and according to this newspaper the BCB will not renew the contract with Dav. This is very interesting development. Definitely, it will be direct positive and negative impacts on Bangladesh cricket.

Here is the link. (http://www.shamokal.com/details.php?nid=58402)

[Tigers_eye]

merge the other thread with this one.

http://banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=430720#post430720

[BostonTigers]

I think there will be a negative impact on the team. The improvement that we have witnessed over the last 4 years with the Tiger's is because of the hard work put in by Whatmore. Tounderstand a team like Bangladesh, Whatmore is the best candidate.

Plus our players gel well with him. In the last 4 years he has been able to understand our players better than anyone. Their strengths and weaknesses are all known to him. A new coachwill have to start from square one. Also, the team I think need him for atleast another 2 yrsto bring their game to a more consistent level.

If the board truly does not renew his contract then it will be a big loss for BD cricket. Bangladeshwill need a coach that understands how to work with rising teams, not some coach who has manageda high profile or a more professional team. At the moment I don't see anyone with that kind of calibre in the international level apart from Whatmore.

[shujan]

This is very bad news!!

[Dhakablues]

This is very bad news!!
On the contrary,, it could be a blessing in dsiguise. Dav has done wonders but he has been with the team 4 years now.. Now we need another 'Master' who can teach these old dogs new tricks...some Taliban type one who can spank the players when they go for fishing outside off and dont move their foot, someone who can 'Kaney Dhorey Uth-Bosh' the captain if he is not aggressive enough in the field!!

[BostonTigers]

On the contrary,, it could be a blessing in dsiguise. Dav has done wonders but he has been with the team 4 years now.. Now we need another 'Master' who can teach these old dogs new tricks...some Taliban type one who can spank the players when they go for fishing outside off and dont move their foot, someone who can 'Kaney Dhorey Uth-Bosh' the captain if he is not aggressive enough in the field!!

And which coach in the cricketing arena at the moment can do this trick with BD??

[Jughead]

If the board truly does not renew his contract then it will be a big loss for BD cricket. Bangladeshwill need a coach that understands how to work with rising teams, not some coach who has manageda high profile or a more professional team. At the moment I don't see anyone with that kind of calibre in the international level apart from Whatmore.

How about the current A team coach? He will be a decent replacement for Whatmore, and he has been around for a while.
I have a feeling that Whatmore's mind is not at the job right now. He is always trying to move elsewhere. If he is not enjoying this work, and just doing it for the sake of it, I better give it to someone who will be useful in the next 4 years. ( I hope my prediction about Whatmore's work ethic is wrong, coz he is a great professional)

[BostonTigers]

How about the current A team coach? He will be a decent replacement for Whatmore, and he has been around for a while.
I have a feeling that Whatmore's mind is not at the job right now. He is always trying to move elsewhere. If he is not enjoying this work, and just doing it for the sake of it, I better give it to someone who will be useful in the next 4 years. ( I hope my prediction about Whatmore's work ethic is wrong, coz he is a great professional)

From my point of view I don't see any signs of his focus being anywhere else. The improvement he has done with the BD team is just great. He needs to be there for another 2yrs to finish what he started. We all know what he is capable of. If the board does not understand that then we could very well be back to our losing days again.

I don't really know much about our A team coach, although he has been managing the players quite well. Still the national team coach needs to be someone who is a good crafter of the game like Whatmore. At the moment I don't really see anyone in the international arena like that.

[Jughead]

From my point of view I don't see any signs of his focus being anywhere else. The improvement he has done with the BD team is just great. He needs to be there for another 2yrs to finish what he started. We all know what he is capable of. If the board does not understand that then we could very well be back to our losing days again.

I don't really know much about our A team coach, although he has been managing the players quite well. Still the national team coach needs to be someone who is a good crafter of the game like Whatmore. At the moment I don't really see anyone in the international arena like that.

Me neither. Whatmore is important to our progress. and IF there is any chance of him taking up indian coaching job, I think he should be quickly replaced by A team coach. coz this coach has the experience of working with most of the boys in the national team. I am just saying that he is the best replacement available for bd if worst comes to worst.

I was saying whatmore's mind is elsewhere coz when wright and moody were fighting for india's coaching, whatmore threw his hat in there too, and now again!! I am just thinking if he blved in himself that he has the ability to take our team further he would have sticked with us. That little devil in my mind just keeps telling me that. :-).

[BostonTigers]

Me neither. Whatmore is important to our progress. and IF there is any chance of him taking up indian coaching job, I think he should be quickly replaced by A team coach. coz this coach has the experience of working with most of the boys in the national team. I am just saying that he is the best replacement available for bd if worst comes to worst.

I was saying whatmore's mind is elsewhere coz when wright and moody were fighting for india's coaching, whatmore threw his hat in there too, and now again!! I am just thinking if he blved in himself that he has the ability to take our team further he would have sticked with us. That little devil in my mind just keeps telling me that. :-).

If the A team coach is selected he should be made the coach only till the SRL tour because after that BD has a long break. Enough time to go after a big coach.

I hope that little devil is just playing games with your mind. As far as I am concerned, so far he has done a wonderful job with the team and professional cricket is a job for these coach's, they are always available to pick up a better job just like all of us.

[Jughead]

If the A team coach is selected he should be made the coach only till the SRL tour because after that BD has a long break. Enough time to go after a big coach.

I hope that little devil is just playing games with your mind. As far as I am concerned, so far he has done a wonderful job with the team and professional cricket is a job for these coach's, they are always available to pick up a better job just like all of us.

I agree he has done a great job for us. But if I were in charge of a project, and if that project was going really well, I wouldnt have (as a professional) left it at the crossroads. I would have seen the end of it myself. I wouldnt have taken a better paid job at that time coz its my responsibilty to finish off my job at hand.

or maybe Whatmore's thinks he has achieved whatever his goal was with Bangladesh. who knows :-/......

[akabir77]

SAD to see him go but he deserves a better team. good luck with indian team...

We really need to get R Mc.

[AsifTheManRahman]

dav's been a great coach. he's been with us for four years and we have improved by miles in those four years.

it's now time to move on, to make a change.

[bapzmania]

According to Shamokal.....Ashraful is surely a candidate for becoming the Captain of the team in the upcoming series against India.....n one more thing plz don't bring Pilot again...

[cricket_pagol]

I don't think it is a good idea to make Ashraful the captain of the ODI team. Let's not put extra load on him.

regarding whatmore's contract, if we get a better coach then it's cool but if we get someone like mohsin kamal then it sucks. I would be really happy if we get Richard McInnes

[Tehsin]

Frankly, aside from the 'mentality' change brought about by the players who came through the under 19 and other age groups (under Richard McInnes), nothing has changed. I am not saying that because of the loss to Ireland. Just go back and review our batting performance throughout the world cup and you'll notice that we are still making the same mistakes that we used to make 5-10 years ago. I don't see the progress in that department. What we do have a is a far superior bowling lineup with Razzak joining Masri, Rafique, and our backup bowlers. Another thing is - Attitude. our players are not at awe of their big name opponents and they genuinely believe that they can take on anyone on any given day. When that self belief is on HIGH, they play amazing cricket, they play out of their skin. Unfortunately, we do not have the leadesrhip (the captain and coach falls in that category) who knows how to keep that FIRE UP match after match.

So, I for one, can't give full credit to Mr. Whatmore when it was the support staff and the age group coaches (formerly lead my McInnes) who played a pivotal role in producing todays Sakib, Tamim, Nafees, Mashfiq, and the likes.

We need a coach who will focus on the basics and get everyone on par with international standards, someone who will instill the self belief that will stick match after match, and someone who will be (and this is pure guess form my part) a little bit more accessible to the players and the FANS. We do not need a coach who will wait for the team to produce the performance so he can jump ship by selling those one-off performances.

Let's face it - we are not consistent and we trully have a lot to go before we can consider ourselves a regular top 5-8 team. We have the players. I personally think the results are getting more focus then the basics. The other side would be - the coach tried and tried to improve the basic techniques of our players and they simply can't improve themselves. I'd hate to think that our players are incapable of advancing themselves, wouldn't you ? Something's not being done right.

[Tehsin]

As for captaincy, there’s a whole lot that goes into and with that position then talent on the field. Sometimes the team’s most mediocre performer could be the shrewdest of tacticians. What we need is someone who'd know the strengths of each of his players and utilize the pitch, the situation, and the weakness (or ego) of his opponents to control the outcome of the game. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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Yes, performance is necessary. However, think about the player (AND seriously guys, we can't even judge who is what unless we spend time with them both on and off the field over a good period of time) who you think has those qualities. It kind of makes sense that we have Sumon as the captain of the team. He doesn't have all the qualities but he seemed to be the one most capable. <o:p></o:p>

[Kabir]

Tehsin bhai, although the emoticons came here due to MS Word smart tags, they seem pretty cool next to your last sentence ;)

[r_kalar_2]

In "prothom alo", I read that whatmore said no to bangladesh. BCB requested him to stay for the india series in may. He will answered after todays match against westindies. Now for the captain issue: first, who will replace bashar? I think tushar is the best option we have. Make an intermediate captain like nafis to give Tushar time to settle down and then make him captain. He worked well with our young players with the 'A' team. He should have given proper chances to stay in national team.

[kaisermatin]

http://amadershomoy.com/news.php?id=154908&sys=1 this says different

[r_kalar_2]

http://amadershomoy.com/news.php?id=154908&sys=1 this says different

I cant give u the link to 'prothom alo' to prove as i didnt find the article in their website. I read it on paper. It seems they didnt put it on their website. Lets wait then.

[tiger_club]

Whatmore is a good coach but he doesn't have any ethics.. pay him 3 times more, I am sure he will stick for another 2 years without any worries.. he already showed his greediness to India.. after that I have lost my respect for him.. BCB should get rid of him anyway.. we are capable of beating any team and any high profile coach would love to take on our tigers.. all I hope that we find someone decent who would be very keen to help out our young cricketers and give them self-belief and pride.

[tiger_club]

BCB also should get rid of Faruq for his poor selection. I am not sure why he is still there.. Coco's regime is over.. Faruq and his gang should get kicked out..

[Jughead]

Whatmore is a good coach but he doesn't have any ethics.. pay him 3 times more, I am sure he will stick for another 2 years without any worries.. he already showed his greediness to India.. after that I have lost my respect for him.. BCB should get rid of him anyway.. we are capable of beating any team and any high profile coach would love to take on our tigers.. all I hope that we find someone decent who would be very keen to help out our young cricketers and give them self-belief and pride.

I second you tiger_club :flag:

[arafath79]

Well, we better find a new coach then. Bangladesh needs a pace bowling coach as well.
Main coach : Steve Waugh or Tom Moody !!!!!
Bowling coach: Waqar Yunis or Andy Roberts

[CTazim]

I had it in the Match thread yesterday but I think it belongs here.... It's Time for Whatmore and Bashar to go... See below
It is an open secret that I have been vocal about the ouster of Dav Whatmore along with Habibul Bashar. My argument is very simple- it is a matter of statistics that the more you play ODIs the better your chances of winning a game or two here and there. I have been vocal about the ouster of Dav Whatmore as I have stated that he does not posess the quality of taking us to the next level. It is my conjecture that had Mr. Gordon Greenidge been our coach all these time, we would have had the same result with respect to the number of wins. Some may argue, arguably for self-esteem reasons, that the tigers delivered what they had promised, a berth in Super-8. To me, the performance of <ST1:pBangladesh paralles that of international tenders in Bangladesh</ST1:p- bid 300% more than the actual price and then deliver. The supposedly dumb citizens think of it as an achievement, when in reality our taxes are siphoned to the tender completing country. On the same note, I also think that Habibul Bashar is the worst possible cricket player in the history of the game. He has only one shot in his arsenal and the only thing that is consistent about his playing is that he gets out most of the time playing the same pull shot; Arguably my 4 year old can figure out the field placement when Mr. Bashar is on the crease, unless he is in his regular idiotic demeanor and gets out running between the wicket, trying to think about everything but the situation at hand - giving justice to his popular nichname Habla, a variance of his name given at birth. No wonder, I consider him to be “Hajar Bochorer Shrestho Habla.” (Copyright, Azim Fahmi 2007). This is a critical time for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/ /><st1:country-region w:st=Bangladesh</ST1http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/ /><st1:country-region w:st=Bangladesh</st1:country-region> team paralles that of floating of International Tenders in <st1:country-region w:st=" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pBangladesh </ST1:p</st1:country-region>cricket and it is time for Habibul Bashar to go!

We have a tendency to forget everything when we turn out to be a giant killer on a given day. But that is not the attribute of a consistent winner. According to economist Lester Thurow of MIT Fortune favors the bold. Historically we have been bold when our back had been against the wall, whether in politics or in sports. However, that strategy has “wastage” written all over it, whether in politics or in sports. We need to make sure we are proactive in our process, otherwise the dimmer of hope will get buried in Bangladeshi cynicism . We should have known what Dav Whatmore would do if we pull one odd win here and there. He has done it in the past and we ended up doubling our salary. He tried to apply the same strategy with <st1:country-region w:st="on">Sri Lanka</st1:country-region>, he failed as <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pSri Lanka </ST1:p</st1:country-region>let him go. <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pSri Lanka</ST1:p</st1:country-region> has talent but they also nurture them. Dav Whatmore takes talent and ruins them. This is a critical time for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pBangladesh </st1:country-region>cricket and it is time for Dav Whatmore to go. It is time for Habibul Bashar to go as well. He is not fit to be even the 12<SUP>th</SUP> man for Bangladesh National Team

[Dhakablues]

Agreed on the Bashar part but not so sure about Whatmore part. Professional coaches will try to increase their salary after the contract ends.. After all, he did take the risk of ruining his career when he took the Bangladesh contract. Easily could've gone to Liechester/other county cicket. Nevertheless, I dodnt think its un-ethical to ask for more money after the contract end.. I do the same thing when I do a good job after contract ends.. But expressing intererest for India job during the world cup was not "right". We need to give him credit for what he has done.. but I also agree that we should move on. And Bashar must be in the museums this summer.

[Tigers_eye]

Whatmore is a good coach but he doesn't have any ethics.. pay him 3 times more, I am sure he will stick for another 2 years without any worries.. he already showed his greediness to India.. after that I have lost my respect for him.. BCB should get rid of him anyway.. we are capable of beating any team and any high profile coach would love to take on our tigers.. all I hope that we find someone decent who would be very keen to help out our young cricketers and give them self-belief and pride.
It hurts me to read these kind of posts. Are you a professional or going to school or not old enough to go to school (Bachelor's degree)?

If you are a professional and work at a place and another company's job opening comes up which pays 3 times more would you not be interested? Just answer "yes" or "no".

If you are student of a college, and say paying tuition out of your own pocket and and another college rings you up and says you will have a free ride up to your four years would you not accept that?

How much ethics do you have? Stop this nonsense.

Same questions for Jughead.

[Dhakablues]

Well BDNEWs24.com reports that Pakistan is seeking John Wright. I think John would've been a good choice for Bangladesh,, but seems like he is out the race.

[Rubayed]

I dont mind Dav Whatmore wanting to caoch India, most coach would love to coach India but the problem i have with him is the manner in which he showed his interest openly to the media when we was already with a team, which is in the middle of a very important tournament.

[kaisermatin]

who will teach these hadarams some batting? mashrafi, i guess! when botham said his mother can bat better than this, he was right,

[Stumped]

why do u guys believe everything u read and hear?!

[knightrider357]

why do u guys believe everything u read and hear?!

this is a disease, u can see in all Desi ppl.... nobody can help it... :D
just let everyone scream as much as possible... everything will quiet down very soon...

as for whatmore ... i wish we could have his service for a couple more yrs... our team has gone through an enormous change... and a lot of credit goes to whatmore ....
thanks mate for everything u have done for Bdesh cricket....

:flag:

[akabir77]

why do u guys believe everything u read and hear?!

ok we wont. Just ask u r dad to get a clause this time on having some muscle man in the coaching stuff. so that he can tell them to spank all those batsmen when they come quickly like today.

BTW give us some inside info then.

[capslock]

Whatmore is a good coach but he doesn't have any ethics.. pay him 3 times more, I am sure he will stick for another 2 years without any worries.. he already showed his greediness to India.. after that I have lost my respect for him.. BCB should get rid of him anyway.. we are capable of beating any team and any high profile coach would love to take on our tigers.. all I hope that we find someone decent who would be very keen to help out our young cricketers and give them self-belief and pride.

Sorry, but I don't think you understand the meaning of the word 'ethics'.

[series]

Well BDNEWs24.com reports that Pakistan is seeking John Wright. I think John would've been a good choice for Bangladesh,, but seems like he is out the race.
Pakistan said that there will be no foreign coach.Then how L-)

[tiger_club]

It hurts me to read these kind of posts. Are you a professional or going to school or not old enough to go to school (Bachelor's degree)?

If you are a professional and work at a place and another company's job opening comes up which pays 3 times more would you not be interested? Just answer "yes" or "no".

If you are student of a college, and say paying tuition out of your own pocket and and another college rings you up and says you will have a free ride up to your four years would you not accept that?

How much ethics do you have? Stop this nonsense.

Same questions for Jughead.


It hurts me to read your pathetic comments too. Do you really know what ethic means? You don’t sound to me educated at all..

Higher job means – higher salary, more responsibilities and also more risks.. look what happened to Greg Chappell.. he pocketed $2 millions a year but what did he get from it? shame and humiliation.. what did you learn from that? You need to go for job with in your capabilities..

Here is another reason, when you love your job and like what you are doing then no one can change you mind.. “Money is not everything” Do you want peace or money? I would suggest go for money as you like money more that peace.. be happy but you will never find peace.. that is called ethics

[soccer20re]

Depends on what type of peace you're talking about. Peace of mind or World peace. I'd take money over world peace anyday.

[Ahmed_B]

The news is probably correct. The contract will probably not be renewed (don't know which party is less interested though ..Dav or the BCB). But I only see these two types of reactions to this news:

Reaction-1: "Oh dear.. very bad news! How will we survive without the man who did so much for the team?"
Reaction-2: "Well... he has given BD whatever he could. It wouldn't matter much if he still stayed. So its time to say good-bye to him."

I have a 3rd reaction:
Dav deserves lots of credits for building the team spirit in the unit and confidence to win . He did well. At the same time, he would leave some day. And from the place BD cricket is standing now, it can only go forward. Srilanka won the WC in 96 under Dav.. but they have only gone upwards after that. Life goes on and a Good Coach is only a part of the process... not the whole thing. Good thing about BD cricket is that they now have a sound structure to bring up new talents.

Hats off to Dav. And hats off to the BD age-group structure and all the sub-coaching and fitness staffs also. We will keep it up and only go higher from here.. :up:

[crickwizard]

Rumor that Dav is taking England job, not India. Whatever, time for BD team to have a new coach. Bring Richard who delivered so many youngstars for BD team. Those who are asking for Bash-er and Whatmore drop, you are sparing the invisible hand behind the team. It is FARUK, the incompetent politically appointed chief selector of BD. This is the guy who tried to control the team. Time for a clean up there

[tiger_club]

to clarify more, 60% of income comes from world cricket is actually generated by India.. you think it’s that easy to play around with 1 billion’s head..

And what happens when you overeat?

“You vomit”

have some logic before making any comments..

[sar2005]

Reaction-2: "Well... he has given BD whatever he could. It wouldn't matter much if he still stayed. So its time to say good-bye to him."

...........and of course a big THANKS to him for all his services.

[tiger_club]

I do agree Dav Whatmore made huge difference to our performance but again Whatmore is not end of the world.. Do you know why we are still behind? because we like to depend on others too much .. when you fail the exam you don't blame your teacher, it is you who makes the difference.. obviously if you didn't work hard enough you will not succeed.. Dav stayed with us for 4 years and that gave us adequate time to learn all the tricks and techniques he has to offer..if you think we didn’t learn enough then we are too slow.. it is time to move on.. why do we have to worry about him so much when there are plenty of options available..

we need to think ahead and that’s where our future lies..

[Aritro]

I think the poster who pointed out that we are still making the same mistakes we were making years ago has a point. Our running between the wickets is still at schoolboy level and our players have yet to learn the importance of putting a price on their wicket. Ashraful has been under Whatmore's tutelage for the bulk of his career and he has shown almost no improvement during that time. A similar charge could be levelled at Aftab. While ultimately it's up to the player to sort out his own game, I'm sure Whatmore is not blameless. The quality of the players the system is now producing has also gone a long way to make Whatmore's record more favourable.

On the upside, he's turned us into one of the better fielding units in the world (on our day) and he has been responsible for the emergence of a far more professional environment for our national team. He's kept team spirit high and delivered the wins that this team, with the influx of quality new players I've alluded to above, ought to have achieved. A poorer coach might have struggled to do that. All in all, I think he's done a commendable job and I wish him the best.

Now we need to sign McInnes.

[Rabz]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Whatmore wanting to leave the shores of Bangladesh.
The man has been there for 4 long years and did some outstanding job with our boys, matured them to some sort of into a man..

He might feel his job is done here.

The man loves a new challenge, nothing wrong with that. IF i had the option of coaching between India and Bangladesh, i would pick India anyday over Bangladesh ( given i was a foreign professional coach offcourse).

Plus he is that sort of coach who likes to work with a new young team and mould them into something special. After being with BD for 4 years, he might feel he does not have much to offer to this (sometimes stupid) boys.

I bet if he takes over English team, he would make them something special to look for in the 2011 world cup.
Well, india is a different story. It got too much problem of its own.

Salute to Whatmore for what he has done with the team.

Thank You Dav.

[allrounder]

Whatmore quits as Bangladesh coach

Dav Whatmore has stepped down as Bangladesh's coach, deciding against renewing his contract which expires at the end of the month. Whatmore had earlier expressed his interest in coaching India following Greg Chappell's resignation in the aftermath of India's quick exit from the World Cup. Whatmore's comments didn't go down well with the Bangladesh Cricket Board, stating that it could affect the morale of the team during the World Cup.
Whatmore, 53, took over as Bangladesh's coach in 2003. Gradually, he led them to a number of successes that point to an encouraging future for a side who have struggled to rid themselves of their label as minnows and underdogs. They shocked both India and South Africa in the current World Cup in the Caribbean and, with a crop of talented youngsters, many believe their time could come in four years.
Whatmore has agreed to a one-month extension to allow the BCB to find and appoint his successor. Bangladesh host India for three one-dayers and two Tests during May.

[shamster]

Am I crazy in suggesting Duncan Fletcher ? He did wonders with England Test Team?