Can Sabbir Khan full-fill the need of a right arm off-break bowler?

[yaseer]

Specially against the teams where lots of left-hand batsmen, we feel the need of a right arm off-break bowler. Sabbir Khan, when he last played for Bangladesh, i really liked his bowling.....He has nice action, good flight and control.....most importantly he spins the ball....Can he be in the list of our selectors?

He is also asking questions to the selectors, as he is the highest wicket taker in this years NCL. Spinners get better by age and experience...he is now an experienced cricekter with having 200+ first class wicket.....in addition he can also hold his bat and score some decent runs.

Sabbir Khan's Stats:
http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56100.html

[Mahir]

Sabbir Khan has a decent FC record, but will most likely get overlooked if the selectors take a glance over the domestic stats when picking the next version of the national team. It is the time of youth-movement into the team, and a veteran like him won't be prioritized ahead of other OBs from the academy and U-19s.

my 2 cents...

[AsifTheManRahman]

well the last time i watched him play, he was pretty ordinary. then again, that was a long time ago.

to be honest, and in general, i don't support overlooking the achievements of players who are over 25. if someone has been performing like a beast for four or five years at a stretch, he deserves to play in the A team. a lot of our problems root from the fact that we have a young side, and young sides are what we've been playing for quite a while now, with different combinations. i don't see all of our current XI playing for the next ten years or so - it is very likely that a lot of them will fail, because the learning curve is so steep.

we need some experienced players in the side, people who have failed, struggled and come out of failure; people who have played in many different match situations and won games for their teams (as it has been proved in the last year and a half, in order to learn to win, the quality of opposition hardly matters). we need some mental stability/maturity in the squad.

so i would like to see players getting more exposure (not necessarily the national team) solely because of performance and independent of their age.

[Miraz]

Sabbir lost his place even in the A team due to inconsistent performances.

He has no future with the national team.

[Dhakablues]

Sabbir lost his place even in the A team due to inconsistent performances.

He has no future with the national team.
The rules are simple... You ahve to be from U19 team otherwise,, Faruq doesnt know who you are so you are NEVER going to be in the national team. Period. It will take some weeks of media coverage before an exception to happen.

[yaseer]

to be honest, and in general, i don't support overlooking the achievements of players who are over 25.

I agree....Michael Hussey can be an example of this

Anyway....i was thinking of a second spinner who can be in the team after Md. Rafique, specially in ODIs....a spinner who can contribute with bat also........then Sabbir Khan's name came into my mind.

We have Enamul jr. for tests, not sure how Razzaq will go in tests...as he is not tested in the longer version yet....he played one test against aussie....but did not do well....but time has passed n razzaq has also improved as a bowler.......but still we need some back up spinners to win test matches in home soil....

[Miraz]

The rules are simple... You ahve to be from U19 team otherwise,, Faruq doesnt know who you are so you are NEVER going to be in the national team. Period. It will take some weeks of media coverage before an exception to happen.

You have endless disliking for Faruque.

Sabbir never performed in A team tours to keep his place and you are complaining about axing a non-performer when better alternatives are available?

Fans can be ridiculous in their likings and dislikings.

[akabir77]

Fans can be ridiculous in their likings and dislikings.

SPOT ON.

Funny story some AL supporters came to my home to watch BD-IND game and was very critical of dropping pilot and was saying mushi got the chance because he is from bogura. I asked them over and over did the watched him playing did they know that he was U-19 captain. did they watch him play in england. all those were no from them as they don't follow cricket that closely. anyway you know what happen after the game...

[Nafi]

The rules are simple... You ahve to be from U19 team otherwise,, Faruq doesnt know who you are so you are NEVER going to be in the national team. Period. It will take some weeks of media coverage before an exception to happen.

Or you can win that grameen phone pacer hunt.

[Dhakablues]

In fact, I admit, I do have an ending disliking for Faruque. I never liked him when he played in Dhaka league. And still dont like him for his decisions to the national team. There are few very precise reasons:
1. 3 years on the selection body and we still dont have any off-spinners. Blame the players but I will blame the selection body not to find a player for us.
2. He relies consistenly on U-19 team and forces young players to national squad this has proven immature departure of players like Nazmul Hossain, Manzar Rana, Mehrab jr., etc.
3. He was involved in the unethical commission scandal which I personally disgruntled and found it amazing that he was unneverved by it.
4. Top league performers have no chance in his selection and I still dont know why.
5. His selection policy has a very immature ambigous strategy. In fact, none knows who gets selected and who doesnt. For instnace, if Tamim was selected only to blast the balls does it mean Mehrab gets back now that world cup is over? He seemed to think the same WC team will be selected for India. How does he explain why Rajin is not in the team when he performed superbly in the national league. He says performance is the only measure for getting selected but Bashar is not performing. is he going let Bashar skip that rule just because he is the captain? Is it the captain first or the player first? Last but not least, I didnt like how he got involved during the world cup matches. He shouldve let Dav/Bashar decide things than him being the uninvited guest 'technician''.

So yes, I dont like Faruque and sorry to say that I am not sorry about it.. :)

[sadi]

Is it a joke?? How about Fahim Muntasir??

[RazabQ]

1. 3 years on the selection body and we still dont have any off-spinners. Blame the players but I will blame the selection body not to find a player for us.
How exactly do you propose that selectors ensure we have a proper off-spinner? South Africa hasn't had a spinner - period - for years. India hasn't had decent fast bowlers for ever. England has tried a zillion poeple for spinner with no luck. How the heck is a selector going to manufacture a specific type of player? Seriously - are you even thinking straight? You can gripe about the national coaching infrastructure perhaps but to blame selectors because a certain type of player isn't there? Well we don't have a 90MPH swinging yorker bowling fast bowler either. Is that Faruque's fault too?
2. He relies consistenly on U-19 team and forces young players to national squad this has proven immature departure of players like Nazmul Hossain, Manzar Rana, Mehrab jr., etc.Except for the late departed Rana, how exactly were Nazmul et al lighting the world on fire before they left the national team? And correct me if I'm wrong but Nazmul & Mehrab Jr. haven't lit up the domestic leagues either have they?
3. He was involved in the unethical commission scandal which I personally disgruntled and found it amazing that he was unneverved by it. I don't live in BD so don't claim to know the inside story in this. If true, then yes Faruque's got things to answer for but he won't be the first Bangladeshi in a position of power to have a shady deal. In fact, there are hadly any ... Also I suggest you look up the meating of the word disgruntled ... I suspect you meant "disgusted". And as for unneverved - I have no idea what you meant there
4. Top league performers have no chance in his selection and I still dont know why.Really? You have no idea? Remember Faisal Hossain Dickens? Remember Hasibul Hossain Shanto? These guys continually tear up the local leagues and look out of depth in international cricket. Two things. First our domestic cricket standard is abysmally low. Second, success in domestic is not a guaranteed indicator of international class. We aren't unique in that aspect- India, and to some extent England also don't rely on domestic performance alone.
5. His selection policy has a very immature ambigous strategy. In fact, none knows who gets selected and who doesnt. For instnace, if Tamim was selected only to blast the balls does it mean Mehrab gets back now that world cup is over? He seemed to think the same WC team will be selected for India. How does he explain why Rajin is not in the team when he performed superbly in the national league. He says performance is the only measure for getting selected but Bashar is not performing. is he going let Bashar skip that rule just because he is the captain? Is it the captain first or the player first? Last but not least, I didnt like how he got involved during the world cup matches. He shouldve let Dav/Bashar decide things than him being the uninvited guest 'technician''.Rant! And I've addressed most of your points already. It is not out of the realm of a chief selector to accompany the team on a major tour/event.
So yes, I dont like Faruque and sorry to say that I am not sorry about it.. :)definitely your prerogative on who you like and dislike but so far you have not given any lucid or logical reasons to support your position. But then again, perhaps that's why you find yourself in the minority on this matter ...

[Dhakablues]

To the atehiests to the believers, evidence can be always refuted with evidence to be refuted, right? Am I amongst the minority in the minds of the minority,, probably yes. Does that change my position? mmm not until I have heard anything interstingly intelligent than combatitive misleaading arguments..But without getting into the mud-fight of idiocy, I agree that its always our own prerogative to like/dislike any national figures. Come back to Sabbir or close this posting, I say

[BangladeshFan]

I think it is not right to take someone in the national team just because we dont have an off spinner. Sabbir last time I saw quite a few years ago looked decent but nothing exceptional. I am happy with 3 SLAs as long as they can deliver. Rafiq and Rajjak as I understand are the 2 best spinners in Bd and it is quite right to play both.

Australia played both warne and mcgill in some tests and they were successful. The main thing is quality. Just for the variation sake, you cant go for a lesser bowler.

[cricman]

When Ash becomes captain, he will put himself into the bowling rotation.

[Kabir]

When Ash becomes captain, he will put himself into the bowling rotation.

And in my opinion, he SHOULD. It's funny how we have quite a few bowlers who can come in handy, but are never utilized.

[Dhakablues]

Totally agree. Its a shame that Bashar rarely uses ( or should it be used?) Ashraful's bowling talent.. and here i go again!!!

[Ockey]

It is without a doubt that the BD selectors have consistently overlooked older players from the domestic league who have performed well. And just because you failed with the BD A team years ago doesn't mean you are not ready now, having played consistently in the NCL. The NCL might not be the best league in the world but it is the basis from which players should be selected. If that isn't the case, then why have a league at all?!

[IanW]

Specially against the teams where lots of left-hand batsmen, we feel the need of a right arm off-break bowler. Sabbir Khan, when he last played for Bangladesh, i really liked his bowling.....He has nice action, good flight and control.....most importantly he spins the ball....Can he be in the list of our selectors?

He is also asking questions to the selectors, as he is the highest wicket taker in this years NCL. Spinners get better by age and experience...he is now an experienced cricekter with having 200+ first class wicket.....in addition he can also hold his bat and score some decent runs.

Sabbir Khan's Stats:
http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56100.html

I dont see a need to change the slow bowlers. Rafique, Hassan and, when warranted, one of Razzak or Enamul Haque Jr and thats a fine slow bowling attack.

Ian Whitchurch

[One World]

The question in the title gives rise to a more core question which falls into a daisy chain of questions:
1. Are selectors choosing the right players for our national team?
2. Is there hidden talents who can make the team much stronger than it is now?
3. Then is there a problem in the selection process?
4. So should we replace our substitute players (some of which can bowl off-breaks) with more talented genuine right-handed off-break bowlers?

[Tendulkar_Mcgrath]

hell no.. he is not up to mark

[yaseer]

Except for the late departed Rana, how exactly were Nazmul et al lighting the world on fire before they left the national team? And correct me if I'm wrong but Nazmul & Mehrab Jr. haven't lit up the domestic leagues either have they?

Really? You have no idea? Remember Faisal Hossain Dickens? Remember Hasibul Hossain Shanto? These guys continually tear up the local leagues and look out of depth in international cricket. Two things. First our domestic cricket standard is abysmally low. Second, success in domestic is not a guaranteed indicator of international class. We aren't unique in that aspect- India, and to some extent England also don't rely on domestic performance alone.


if selectors can just ignore the highest wicket taker of the major first class tournament, then this is a serious issue.........something is wrong somewhere.

On the other hand, picking players from U-19 level also proved a unsuccessful way......as we need to make lots of changes in the team which is bad for young players.

I think approach should be picking players from first class cricket......after doing well in age-groups players also need to perform in the domestic cricekt also....and NCL should also be made much competitive......players like Ashraful, Razzaq and even Tamim came after good performances in the NCL.....look, they are the one retained their place........

[bapzmania]

It is almost impossible for him to get a chance in Bangladesh cricket team.....look at his age...it is bangladesh cricket....we always beleive in young players....how come he will get chance...he is not even in BD A team...or Academy.....

[Miraz]

if selectors can just ignore the highest wicket taker of the major first class tournament, then this is a serious issue.........something is wrong somewhere.

Last year the highest wicket taker wass Shanto and we all know he has nothing left to offer for national team.

Sabbir took highest wicket this season but he is playing for a while. In last two years he took only 17 and 23 wickets in the national league. He is never consistent with his performances.

One year's performance is not enough to get a national call.