What is the difference between match fixing and playing for "honorable defeat"?

[Spitfire_x86]

In both cases you are intentionally not trying to win. At least the match fixers are smarter. They earn some money.

The way Bashar played, he shouldn't just get dropped from the ODI team. He should be BANNED and FINED.

[Spitfire_x86]

I suggest immediately dropping Bashar for the 3rd ODI and test series. He may come back for the Srilanka test series as a player, but first thing's first. He must be axed RIGHT NOW.

This kind of attitude should not be tolerated at all.

[Shehwar]

He should not be dropped from the test team. U need a reality check. He is the only guy who actually scores for us in tests.

[CricFanBD]

I suggest immediately dropping Bashar for the 3rd ODI and test series. He may come back for the Srilanka test series as a player, but first thing's first. He must be axed RIGHT NOW.

This kind of attitude should not be tolerated at all.
Same as here...nothing more.

[Rajowana]

bashar did quite well 2day u hav to admit that lol

[CricFanBD]

bashar did quite well 2day u hav to admit that lol
Are u kidding? Right?

[Rajowana]

Are u kidding? Right?

well... lol he did betta then the 1st ODI match

[al Furqaan]

He should not be dropped from the test team. U need a reality check. He is the only guy who actually scores for us in tests.

no, no, and no. bashar should be dropped from anything cricket related.

when chacha retired he immediately took up job as our team manager. and he has said he will work with BCB/bangladesh cricket for his entire life.

bashar should not get a job at any level of our cricket. he would only foster ill knowledge, and a losing spirit.

it is time for him to completely retire, because the selectors will drop him at the latest after SL series. unfortunately he will already have done to much damage.

he should start looking for a civilian job outside of cricket.

[fwullah]

You have answered to the question yourself.

Match fixing involves money - illegal money, thus, its a crime.

Losing for honorable defeat doesn't involve money, thus, its not a crime. (unfair to us, but not a crime).

[Sovik]

You have answered to the question yourself.

Match fixing involves money - illegal money, thus, its a crime.

thats [..edit..]

Losing for honorable defeat doesn't involve money, thus, its not a crime. (unfair to us, but not a crime).

and thats us

[CricFanBD]

no, no, and no. bashar should be dropped from anything cricket related.

when chacha retired he immediately took up job as our team manager. and he has said he will work with BCB/bangladesh cricket for his entire life.

bashar should not get a job at any level of our cricket. he would only foster ill knowledge, and a losing spirit.

it is time for him to completely retire, because the selectors will drop him at the latest after SL series. unfortunately he will already have done to much damage.

he should start looking for a civilian job outside of cricket.
You are a great man...tell the truth. I like all your writings.

[Hatebreed]

As far as batting is concerned, Mashrafe did better than all of them. It shows what we missed in the last match in those final overs.

[karimjay.]

He should not be dropped from the test team. U need a reality check. He is the only guy who actually scores for us in tests.

Are you serious?

So he's going to look worse than Razzak with the bat in ODIs, then be our Lara in tests?

[nobody]

Are you serious?

So he's going to look worse than Razzak with the bat in ODIs, then be our Lara in tests?
Yes. Bevan a giant in ODI, a minnow in Test; Slatter/Langer giants in Test, minnows in ODI.
Not everybody is Murali or Ponting. Even Inzy is half the batsman in ODI than test.
But Basher should gracefully retire or be sacked from ODI

And answering the question, the only difference is in the eye of law

[Shehwar]

These are his scores in the last three tests that he played...

69 & 73 - 2nd Test v SL in BD 2005/06 at Bogra

76 & 7 - 1st Test v Aus in BD 2005/06 at Fatullah

9 & 49 - 2nd Test v Aus in BD 2005/06 at Chittagong

[Spitfire_x86]

So? That was one year ago. Nowadays he can't even time the ball properly. And he should be banned for disciplinary reasons. The way he batted today to save his place in the ODI team is a crime. Given his past great record, he should get a chance again in the next test series. Only as a batsman.

Speaking as a fan of test batsman Bashar.

[battye]

Langer giants in Test, minnows in ODI.

Sadly, I don't think he had a long enough chance.
He could have become one of the great ODI openers. Hell, last week he smashed 130 odd in a one-dayer for Somerset (I think, might be another county).

[fai_hasan]

are mama, when players don't have any choices they just play to make the difference closer. ar match fixing is a dirty thing. don't dare compare with one another.

[cricket_dorshok]

no, no, and no. bashar should be dropped from anything cricket related.

when chacha retired he immediately took up job as our team manager. and he has said he will work with BCB/bangladesh cricket for his entire life.

bashar should not get a job at any level of our cricket. he would only foster ill knowledge, and a losing spirit.

it is time for him to completely retire, because the selectors will drop him at the latest after SL series. unfortunately he will already have done to much damage.

he should start looking for a civilian job outside of cricket.
ditto:up:

[Murad]

In both cases you are intentionally not trying to win. At least the match fixers are smarter. They earn some money.

The way Bashar played, he shouldn't just get dropped from the ODI team. He should be BANNED and FINED.

i think you are right.. HE shoould be Banned and fined..

but do u think BCB is that strong? I don't think they have the guts do to anything.. The Way the given the chance to show respects to his captaincy for 3/4 yrs.. no other board would do that...

those ppl working for BCB should be fined first. Cuz they retained him captain and in the team..

[Murad]

no, no, and no. bashar should be dropped from anything cricket related.

when chacha retired he immediately took up job as our team manager. and he has said he will work with BCB/bangladesh cricket for his entire life.

bashar should not get a job at any level of our cricket. he would only foster ill knowledge, and a losing spirit.

it is time for him to completely retire, because the selectors will drop him at the latest after SL series. unfortunately he will already have done to much damage.

he should start looking for a civilian job outside of cricket.


You are absolutely right.. We need some aggressive managers not a looser like him who always want to be defensive. So he doesnt deserve a chance to work for any cricket team..

[al Furqaan]

You are absolutely right.. We need some aggressive managers not a looser like him who always want to be defensive. So he doesnt deserve a chance to work for any cricket team..

to further explain my post:

chacha might not have been half as good a cricketer as bashar, but he was a fighter. he will instill positive sentiment amongst the young players. bashar can only teach them how to act according to a pre concieved script, smile like a beakkol, and bat like a 80 year old senile bura.

once bashar retires, BCB should put a restraining order on bashar forcing him to stay 50 km away from any camp, match, academy, etc.

even JO can contribute something to our cricket after retirement, but what we have been seeing from habbu over the past 12-18 months indicates that he is a washed up, has been.

sorry to put it that way. i have no personal problems with him; i congratulate, thank, praise, and laud him for his play over the last 12 years and his ability to glue our team together. but about his other leadership qualities, tactical skills, foresight, courage, and fight, i have nothing but criticisms. i am sure he is a great man, friend, person, father, husband, son, etc...but he should not have anything to do with our cricket after his career. i would be afraid to allow him to cut the grass on the field cuz he might slip on some "wisdom" to our players thereby ruining their careers.

[Adnan 666]

Absolutely love the way u bashed bashar.. If i meet Bashar somewhere (hope I do god! just for 5 mins plzzz) I would love to ask him, y did u retire from ODIs?Who let u retire?hehe. Definitely hez gonna give me that beakkol & behaya type smile.And right after that i will tell him that players like u should not be given the permission to retire by their own, they should be kicked out of all the squads and must be humiliated in public. Loser!

[jinglenuts]

i c all d way going on bashing of Bashar. y don't ya get that if u were in his situation u also could've this kinda situation? unfortune and some of his mistakes. in d last match he did well, 7 runs were left 2 do 50. wot i've 2 say that he deffenced well yesterday and waiting for his next deffencive score in d next match. u ppl r sayiong watever about him, wen i fink b4 saying these u should think that wot u would've been feeling if u were in that situation and every1 bashing u around like this.

[nzfan]

you diss bashar now but you wait for the test series
when he scores plenty
you will be the first person to say you always supported him

[Rajowana]

ye lets jus wait for the tests series and see wat he does.

[Sovik]

you diss bashar now but you wait for the test series
when he scores plenty
you will be the first person to say you always supported him

no, we won't.

[BanCricFan]

Bashar was really selfish the way he played. They way he played the 1st 40 balls was justifiable because of the situation. But the next 40 balls took us out of the game completely. He just played to save his posterior and team BD...Is this how the captain of the team should behave? DISGRACEFUL!!

[Sohel]

He should not be dropped from the test team. U need a reality check. He is the only guy who actually scores for us in tests.

reality check from a self-professed golla fan... we'll pass. :D

[Sohel]

no, we won't.

i hope you're wrong when i know you're right... i say drop hablu just to bring an end to this pathetic state of affairs... :waiting:

[Sohel]

ye lets jus wait for the tests series and see wat he does.

:umm: ... are you related to him? or is shirshendu your favorite novelist also?

[Sohel]

In both cases you are intentionally not trying to win. At least the match fixers are smarter. They earn some money.

The way Bashar played, he shouldn't just get dropped from the ODI team. He should be BANNED and FINED.

evil prevails when good men fail to act. hablu prevails as long as faruikka's selectin' and utpol's writin'... :shh:

[Sohel]

I suggest immediately dropping Bashar for the 3rd ODI and test series. He may come back for the Srilanka test series as a player, but first thing's first. He must be axed RIGHT NOW.

This kind of attitude should not be tolerated at all.

thank you... :flag:

unfortunately, here's BCB's attitude to reason in general: :-t

[Rajowana]

:umm: ... are you related to him? or is shirshendu your favorite novelist also?

hahahaha no im not related to him lolz

[Sohel]

hahahaha no im not related to him lolz

too bad, i was trying to imagine that smile on a girl... :confused:

[Sohel]

he should start looking for a civilian job outside of cricket.

here rests the essence of the HaBa problem... his current salary, including sponsorships: bdt 250,000 +... possible salary with his qualifications and mind numbing personality : bdt 15,000 max... choices, choices! :head: