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WarWolf
May 19, 2007, 08:51 AM
We have some good spinners. But unfortunately all of them are SLAs and they need favourable conditions to do well. Among them only Enam is big turner of the ball and some times can extract uneven bounce. But still he is ineffective if the condition is not pretty much suitable. We have seen this in the first two days of the ongoing test match. Ash is a good leggie who can be effectively used. Though he is a bit expensive but he has the ability to get turn and bounce to surprise the batman.

I don't know why our think tank never considered him as an option. I hardly can remembered that our captains turned towards him being desperate to get a break through. What your opinion guys?

cricman
May 19, 2007, 08:57 AM
Wait till Ash is Captain, he will bring himself in alot more

capslock
May 19, 2007, 09:09 AM
Yes, around when Razzak becomes a dependable middle order batsman.

mali007
May 19, 2007, 09:19 AM
To break partnership Ash. definitely a good choice and as captain he already proved his
brilliancy on the first day of the on going test!! Both set batsmans Rahul & Kartick were
dismissed by his prudent bowling changing and field placements !!! So, Ash should be the CAPTAIN
for both one day and test matches for the forthcomming SL tour.

Protic
May 19, 2007, 09:25 AM
Capslock : nah man..Ashraful can be a good bowler.. maybe not deadly..but effective.

WarWolf
May 19, 2007, 09:34 AM
If you look at Ash's first class bowling stats, you will find it's not bad. In 70 first class matches, he took 85 wickets at average 31.54, econ rate 3.53 and a best bowling figure of 7/99.

istiak
May 19, 2007, 09:54 AM
He was a lot more bowler in his early days but not bowling much latly. Problem with him is his control.One or two fulltoss in every over is for sure.

He need to practise a bit of his bowling before really try it on internation arena.

istiak
May 19, 2007, 09:55 AM
I think he got much better chance to take wkt in ODIs than test matches.

Alien
May 19, 2007, 09:58 AM
Ash is a batsmen and he should stick to it and look to improve his consistency. We already have 3 spinners/slow bowlers in the team. No need for a fourth.

Murad
May 19, 2007, 11:55 AM
he could become a good bowler..but he has to bowl a lot.. bashar doesnt let him bowl... if he doesnt bowl then how he gonna improve..

bashar doesnt give the bowl to aftab as well... sometimes 1 or 2 overs.. thats all.. aftab shud also bowl a lot.. so he can improve...

Sovik
May 19, 2007, 12:04 PM
he bowled well for rainhill too

Nafi
May 19, 2007, 12:20 PM
we dont need a spinner we need a another fast pacer

WarWolf
May 19, 2007, 12:23 PM
we dont need a spinner we need a another fast pacer

But we cannot change Ash's bowling type from spin to pace. Here we are talking about the bowling options that are available at present with the current lineup. In this respect he is a good option.

FagunerAgun
May 19, 2007, 12:31 PM
Yes, around when Razzak becomes a dependable middle order batsman.

And Saqib and Mehrab Jr. will become super pitch-pest - once you get them on the pitch, very defficult to bowl them out.

layperson
May 19, 2007, 12:44 PM
Yes, around when Razzak becomes a dependable middle order batsman.:floor::floor::floor:

Nafis_BD
May 19, 2007, 04:03 PM
I think Ash can be a good bowler if he works hard for it but right now I want him to concrete more on his batting and his vice-captaincy although I think he is doing a great job and I am sure he will do the same when he is the captain!!!!

habfreak
May 19, 2007, 04:28 PM
I've practiced with Ash at the Dhnamondi indoors..and i remember him turning the ball even on cement pitches! he was around 14/15 then...not sure why he stopped bowling more...but I think we can turn him into another Sakib if he gets more match practice!

Kabir
May 19, 2007, 04:48 PM
I have high expectations from two guys...Ashraful and Rajin. Both of them can be effective, and can be used as good bowling changes in our innings.

The problem with our bowling lineup is that, they're too predictable. Jayawardene said after beating us: "we know Bangladesh's bowling strengths and weaknesses; when they do well, their 5 bowlers turn into 7, and when they do bad, they turn into 2/3". I don't think there's any scope here to disagree.

What we need is two part time bowlers, who can be used for 3/4 overs in each match, and can be used to give breakthroughs. It's even better if its of Ashraful or Rajin's quality...coz I truely believe they have the ability to turn the ball well.

One other option is Aftab, but he really needs some decent practice before he can be used.

gatekeeper
May 19, 2007, 05:22 PM
I have always advocated Ash as utility bowler but in ODIs only. He's actually a decent leg spinner. But we must be careful that it doesn't effect his batting.

zahid
May 19, 2007, 07:23 PM
Well, you see ... this is another of Habla's wonderful Captaincy!

Antora
May 19, 2007, 07:35 PM
If you look at Ash's first class bowling stats, you will find it's not bad. In 70 first class matches, he took 85 wickets at average 31.54, econ rate 3.53 and a best bowling figure of 7/99.

wow 7/99???? I wonder y he doesnt ball anymore????? maybe him n bash r lyk enamies!!!

Rubu
May 19, 2007, 08:40 PM
If Ash can handle the pressure of Captaincy and bats well, I'm more than happy. I don't care if he bowls or not.

Rifat
May 19, 2007, 08:46 PM
in my cricket captain 2006 simulation game, ashraful is a sick bowler, hopefully in real life...

cricket_king
May 19, 2007, 09:32 PM
I think ashraful BELIEVES he can bowl well. Evidence of that was on the first day when he decided to bring himself on as soon as he had the opportunity. If he believes he can do well, then by all means, let him bowl. Once he's captain I'm sure he'll bring himself on often and we'll see just how effective he is.

WarWolf
May 20, 2007, 12:50 AM
I would like to see him bowling a few overs in the 2nd inning. Let's see if Bashar gives him the chance.

yaseer
May 20, 2007, 04:09 AM
Yes he can....He started his cricket as a Leg-Spinner who can bat as well.....by the time he became a specialist batsman.

He used to pick lots of wicket in NCL....so by practising more...he can develop/nurture his skills of leg-spin.....but if its hamper his batting....i would recommend "No".

Protic
May 20, 2007, 05:11 AM
Nahh.. no chance for Ash to bowl..if Bashars the captain.. I mean comeon.. :] " Learn to play test cricket " this book has it written very clearly.. " Part time bowlers (even if they are good prospect) cant be selected to bowl.. Maybe 1 over before lunch,tea,end of play "
:] SO NO CHANCE.

Fortuner
May 20, 2007, 05:31 AM
guys...habla also does offspin.dnt 4get him.remember he tuk wickets or sachin and lara in odi's. :D

Sovik
May 20, 2007, 05:32 AM
guys...habla also does offspin.dnt 4get him.remember he tuk wickets or sachin and lara in odi's. :D

he saved us from the embarrassments that day. the way lara was going 400+ wasn't impossible

Aritro
May 20, 2007, 06:44 AM
I have high expectations from two guys...Ashraful and Rajin. Both of them can be effective, and can be used as good bowling changes in our innings.

The problem with our bowling lineup is that, they're too predictable. Jayawardene said after beating us: "we know Bangladesh's bowling strengths and weaknesses; when they do well, their 5 bowlers turn into 7, and when they do bad, they turn into 2/3". I don't think there's any scope here to disagree.

What we need is two part time bowlers, who can be used for 3/4 overs in each match, and can be used to give breakthroughs. It's even better if its of Ashraful or Rajin's quality...coz I truely believe they have the ability to turn the ball well.

One other option is Aftab, but he really needs some decent practice before he can be used.

Saved me the trouble of posting.

Agree with every point in that post.

fwullah
May 20, 2007, 06:52 AM
If you look at Ash's first class bowling stats, you will find it's not bad. In 70 first class matches, he took 85 wickets at average 31.54, econ rate 3.53 and a best bowling figure of 7/99.

That's because our batsman in domestic cricket can't play leg spinners at all whatsoever.

WarWolf
May 20, 2007, 07:05 AM
That's because our batsman in domestic cricket can't play leg spinners at all whatsoever.

That doesn't mean Ash doesn't have a good standard. You need to give him sufficient chances before coming to any conclusion.

kfirooz
May 20, 2007, 07:21 AM
He was a lot more bowler in his early days but not bowling much latly. Problem with him is his control.One or two fulltoss in every over is for sure.

He need to practise a bit of his bowling before really try it on internation arena.

I agree. Legspin bowling is a difficult art to master and specially the control. Ashraful needs to bowl a lot.. lot at the nets . Watch other legspinners and possibly get their advice.
Need to develop a googly or a top spinner.
Today's international cricket demands that a legspinner is not one dimensional and erratic like him.

bd_fan_from_india
May 20, 2007, 09:08 AM
ashraful came into the team as a spinner who could bat a bit. so he should be tried as a part-time spinner

Fortuner
May 20, 2007, 10:37 AM
ashraful came into the team as a spinner who could bat a bit. so he should be tried as a part-time spinner

From this para of urs.i hv a feelin u from bd.if ya frnd india.u wldnt noe deep fact dat he came as a spinner.its not totally impossible for a non-bangladeshi to know suhc deep facts but still its a rare thing.nywaz.

bd_fan_from_india
May 20, 2007, 10:58 AM
i am from new delhi, india. i have never even been to bd. i mentioned this fact in the mortaza at 3 thread. besides ash, even alok came into the team as a spinner who could bat a bit, but became a batsman

bapzmania
May 20, 2007, 11:08 AM
but one thing for sure Ash is the only one in the bd team who can turn the ball...with his Abdul qadir action

Protic
May 20, 2007, 01:36 PM
Bapzmania : ENAMUL HAQUE JR?

Sohel
May 20, 2007, 01:46 PM
not the worst possible idea if 1) a little variety is called for, 2) if we can afford such variety, and 3) he doesn't bowl more than 5-6 overs per test match. off course he can hit the nets and become a decent bowler... but until then, so cold the night... :smug:

WarWolf
May 22, 2007, 12:53 PM
I think we should take 3 seamer in 2nd test dropping Eman from the squad. In that case, Ash may play a big deal.

MAHBUB_zaman_3000
May 22, 2007, 02:20 PM
yeh! i start thinking about it a long time ago.