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Aritro
May 21, 2007, 09:58 AM
What did people make of Bruce Yardley's comments about his action?

In particular, he pointed out that his tendancy to push all his weight forward and get extremely low goes against the usual practice of finger spinners to stay up-right in order to open up the angle. He also criticised the extremely chest-on position he finds himself in at the point of delivery, thereby robbing himself of some drift, and also the way he kicks out his leg and often delivers the ball off-balance.

My view is that his bizzare bowling action is the main reason he gets so much turn, but Yardley certainly has a point.

Farhad
May 21, 2007, 10:04 AM
Yardley definitely has a point. I was actually really opposed to them bringing in Enamul for the test. He's been struggling in "A" List matches for a while now...Id say try remodelling his action, but i think its more of a problem with his cricketing sense. He needs to learn how to put the balls in the right areas. Thats what Murali does best. Ive been watching him closely in this last match and i can safely say he's not ready for test match cricket yet. We can test him out again against teams like Zimbabwe though. The problem is that he just waits for the batsmen to get themselves out. Against Zimbabwe, thats fine. But against the top teams, youre gonna get screwed...

Protic
May 21, 2007, 10:05 AM
Actually..
If mirpur provides a similar pitch..we can play Rasel in as the 3rd seamer in place of Enamul Haque.. He didnt even troubled the indian batsmen at all..lets see what he has in store for us @ the 5th day.. but if he fails..I say play Rasel in place of Enam..
And we got Sakib(genuine all rounder) and rafique(main spinning option) as the spinners.
So why not 3 seamers? and while Mortaza,Rajib are speedy,bouncy..Rasel's slow seam might confuse the batsmen..and also give Mortaza and Rajib a bit rest.

I wish we could take in Mushy for Pilot.

Aritro
May 21, 2007, 10:07 AM
YHe's been struggling in "A" List matches for a while now...

I'll have to admit that even in spite of his poor List A form, I thought it'd be worthwhile bringing him back just in case he rediscovered the magic.

He definitely has not, and we'll almost certainly see Abdur Razzak return to the fold unless Rasel is preferred for some reason.

I also think he's tinkered with his action during our 12 month Test hiatus, and that it's actually worse than before.

Aritro
May 21, 2007, 10:09 AM
I wish we could take in Mushy for Pilot.

Even if we don't, we should at least select Mushfiq as a specialist batsman to replace Javed Omar.

Tintin
May 21, 2007, 10:11 AM
If mirpur provides a similar pitch..we can play Rasel in as the 3rd seamer in place of Enamul Haque..

Rasel can do very little after the first spell. Not enough pace and can move only the new ball.

Protic
May 21, 2007, 10:13 AM
Yeah Mushy can make a very good test batsman.. we just need a mushy and a rajin to cut out the overs, lol. I know it wont happen.. (some of the changes i want , wont happen )
My team for Mirpur :
Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Mushfiqur Rahim (wk)
Habibul Bashar (c)
Mohammad Ashraful
Sakib Al Hasan
Tushar Imran
Mashrafe Mortaza
Mohammad Rafique
Shahadat Hossain
Syed Rasel

Aritro
May 21, 2007, 10:15 AM
Yeah Mushy can make a very good test batsman.. we just need a mushy and a rajin to cut out the overs, lol. I know it wont happen.. (some of the changes i want , wont happen )
My team for Mirpur :
Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Mushfiqur Rahim (wk)
Habibul Bashar (c)
Mohammad Ashraful
Sakib Al Hasan
Tushar Imran
Mashrafe Mortaza
Mohammad Rafique
Shahadat Hossain
Syed Rasel

Replace Tushar Imran with... anyone at all and I'll agree.

Protic
May 21, 2007, 10:16 AM
Tintin : I know..thats why shahadat always becomes the first choice in tests.. BUT my point is.. considering the fact that both mortaza n rajib are speedy..they like to bowl bouncers and short pitched deliveries.. Rasel's "lack of pace" could actually help in their aid. If not Rasel..i would like to see Abdur Razzak in place of Enam. He looks to take wicket, unlike Enam..who looked to wait for the batsmen to make mistakes.

Protic
May 21, 2007, 10:18 AM
Aritro : lol.. im not a very big tushar imran fan.. but my fellow bc members has a lot of belief in tushar.. and since he's in the team..he's performing well in the leagues.. he should be given a chance..and I would like to see how well can he bat.

Aritro
May 21, 2007, 10:18 AM
Tintin : I know..thats why shahadat always becomes the first choice in tests.. BUT my point is.. considering the fact that both mortaza n rajib are speedy..they like to bowl bouncers and short pitched deliveries.. Rasel's "lack of pace" could actually help in their aid. If not Rasel..i would like to see Abdur Razzak in place of Enam. He looks to take wicket, unlike Enam..who looked to wait for the batsmen to make mistakes.

Test cricket is all about partnerships, and I think Razzak's the perfect foil for Rafique.

There's no surer way of creating oppurtunities at one end than to tie down the other, and Razzak does that beautifully.

He's also got the ability to cleverly manipulate his line and flight as well as a superb change of pace, and he can be a wicket-taker in his own right.

Aritro
May 21, 2007, 10:22 AM
Aritro : lol.. im not a very big tushar imran fan.. but my fellow bc members has a lot of belief in tushar.. and since he's in the team..he's performing well in the leagues.. he should be given a chance..and I would like to see how well can he bat.

He's always performing well in the leagues, that won't change.

Another thing that won't change is that he has horrendous footwork, an unorthodox backlift that makes him come down late on each ball, a bizzare stance in which he stands with his feet 2 inches apart and a technique that'll continue to be an obstacle to his ever making an impact as an international cricketer.

Sohel
May 21, 2007, 10:22 AM
Actually..
If mirpur provides a similar pitch..we can play Rasel in as the 3rd seamer in place of Enamul Haque.. He didnt even troubled the indian batsmen at all..lets see what he has in store for us @ the 5th day.. but if he fails..I say play Rasel in place of Enam..
And we got Sakib(genuine all rounder) and rafique(main spinning option) as the spinners.
So why not 3 seamers? and while Mortaza,Rajib are speedy,bouncy..Rasel's slow seam might confuse the batsmen..and also give Mortaza and Rajib a bit rest.

I wish we could take in Mushy for Pilot.

i won't write enam off just yet... mushi's a better batsman than either golla or rajin, not to mention HaBa, and should be in the team. the 3 seamer idea's a very good one as we need more variety on pitches like ours... wet weather conditions change the character of the pitch, and crosswinds offer a lot more to seamers. about rasel - i've heard, i could have been bs-ed by the way, that he has stamina issues... i'd give dollar, tapash or even talha a go before him in a test side. his place in the ODI team's more or less set....:)

Sohel
May 21, 2007, 10:24 AM
He's always performing well in the leagues, that won't change.

Another thing that won't change is that he has horrendous footwork, an unorthodox backlift that makes him come down late on each ball, a bizzare stance in which he stands with his feet 2 inches apart and a technique that'll continue to be an obstacle to his ever making an impact as an international cricketer.

yep, you've hit the nail where it needs to be hit bro...

Aritro
May 21, 2007, 10:24 AM
i won't write enam off just yet... mushy's a better batsman than either golla or rajin, and should be in the team. the 3 seamer idea's a very good one as we need more variety on pitches like ours... wet weather conditions change the character of the pitch, and crosswinds offer a lot more to seamers. about rasel - i've heard, i could have been bs-ed by the way, that he has stamina issues... i'd give dollar, tapash or even talha a go before him in a test side. his place in the ODI team's more or less set....:)

I'll be perfectly content if we never see Tapash play for Bangladesh ever again.

Protic
May 21, 2007, 10:31 AM
Off topic : Arun LOL was constantly saying that RP SINGH bowled the fastest delivery of the match..he's bowling with great aggression. His speed (which A.LOL claims to be the fastest was 142.7 KPH) ..but I guess he forgot.. that Shahadat Hossain bowled a 143.2 KPH in the 1st innings. Arun LOL should learn commenting from LaxmanShivaramakrishanan ( He got the whole alphabets in his name ) :D

sadi
May 21, 2007, 10:33 AM
One test with so much rain in the middle is way too small of a sample to know what is going wrong. I will play the same team in the second test. Everyone deserves another chance eventhough I would love to see Mushfiq make the cut as a batsman real soon.

Aritro
May 21, 2007, 10:36 AM
One test with so much rain in the middle is way too small of a sample to know what is going wrong. I will play the same team in the second test. Everyone deserves another chance eventhough I would love to see Mushfiq make the cut as a batsman real soon.

I won't complain too much if we retain Enamul.

I'll complain hugely if we retain Javed Omar however. He was dropped 12 months ago with good reason and he shouldn't be there now.

WarWolf
May 21, 2007, 10:42 AM
Rasel can do very little after the first spell. Not enough pace and can move only the new ball.

I think he still will be a good choice cause he will be able to bring early break throughs and can keep pressure. Also his inclusion in the side will give our main two strike bowlers to have the luxury of getting some rest.

Sohel
May 21, 2007, 10:45 AM
enam's deadly only when the cracks open up. they didn't in chittagong... but will somewhere else :)

Ehsan
May 21, 2007, 10:50 AM
I will either get Baisya or Russell in place of Enamul Haque if does not perform on the 5th day. If a similar pitch is prepared in Dhaka then Enamul is a big NO for sure.

istiak
May 21, 2007, 11:07 AM
I think his main problem was line. He was too much down the leg. Its very difficult get batsman like Tendulkar or Gaguly bowling drifting down the leg. Bruce Yardley poiting that problem again and again. He actually commented once that he would talk to Enam abt that!

zahid
May 21, 2007, 11:29 AM
Na kheltey kheltey jong dhorsey. He will be OK soon.

Sohel
May 21, 2007, 11:31 AM
Na kheltey kheltey jong dhorsey. He will be OK soon.

absolutely... the pitch too, no cracks...:flag:

Aritro
May 21, 2007, 11:33 AM
Na kheltey kheltey jong dhorsey. He will be OK soon.

He's been active in the national league and in List A games.

Given his performances in those games, it seems the jong set in a while ago and never blew off.

BD-Shardul
May 21, 2007, 11:38 AM
I want Abdur Razzaq instead of Enam. Abdur Razzaq is a wkt taking bowler, and in tests U need wkts. So far he has played one test, and therefore without giving him more chances, how can u say that the 9th ranked ODI bolwer will not be effective in test?

Aritro
May 21, 2007, 11:40 AM
I want Abdur Razzaq instead of Enam. Abdur Razzaq is a wkt taking bowler, and in tests U need wkts. So far he has played one test, and therefore without giving him more chances, how can u say that the 9th ranked ODI bolwer will not be effective in test?

Yes well the thing is, Enam's only in the side at his expense because he's considered a greater wicket-taking threat.

However, I would like to see Razzak given a run.

Mahmood
May 21, 2007, 11:44 AM
I dont think Russell will do good in tests, the batsmen will just score low in his overs.

Enamul only does good after the wicket is breaking from 3 days sun. He is at his best on day 4 and 5, we have seen his fury. Too bad, this match, he wont have that crack he needs. For Dhaka match, we need Enamul.

We are focusing on the wrong section. Changes needed are Captain, wicket keeper, I will give Golla another chance.

cricket_pagol
May 21, 2007, 11:47 AM
It's time for enamul haque jnr to prove his worth in the test team... his recent performance is a good indicator of the fact that he is not in good form. I hope he rediscovers his form!!!

Zobair
May 21, 2007, 12:20 PM
He just needs to settle into a good line and length, and keep his variations for later...He tries too many things too early! He should look to get a stock ball going and then look to do things like using the depth of the crease, changing angles etc.

bulbul_fan
May 21, 2007, 12:38 PM
we shud go wid similar team for 2nd test. give enam 1 more chance and javed was unlucky today bcoz ball was outside leg stump.it will b gr8 , if we can bring mushfiq and dropp pathetic masud!!

al Furqaan
May 21, 2007, 12:40 PM
I dont think Russell will do good in tests, the batsmen will just score low in his overs.

Enamul only does good after the wicket is breaking from 3 days sun. He is at his best on day 4 and 5, we have seen his fury. Too bad, this match, he wont have that crack he needs. For Dhaka match, we need Enamul.

We are focusing on the wrong section. Changes needed are Captain, wicket keeper, I will give Golla another chance.

spot on, especially the last para...

bangalee
May 21, 2007, 12:47 PM
Tushar had a decent time with bat against the A teams recently, so If he comes back in, who will be dropped?

Rajin, JO?

Murad
May 21, 2007, 12:52 PM
Enamul bowling after 13 months in tests.. so its obvious for him to struggle.. he did good against australia in the first test. besides that hes trying some new tactics..

He did play for A team and Academy but not same as international matches..

I think he will do fine tonight and also in the 2nd test.. hes the only spinner who can turn the ball more.. Razzak also can do that a bit..but not like Enam..

Murad
May 21, 2007, 12:53 PM
Tushar had a decent time with bat against the A teams recently, so If he comes back in, who will be dropped?

Rajin, JO?

Me!

Protic
May 21, 2007, 12:58 PM
Rajin wont be dropped.. He's a prime player in the TEST team.. occupies the crease well, bowls some off spin and a superb fielder.

AsifTheManRahman
May 21, 2007, 12:58 PM
Enam depends a lot on turn, so given the nature of this pitch, it's not a surprise that he has failed to threaten. I get the feeling that he also tends to try a lot of different things out before actually taking the time to settle down.

AsifTheManRahman
May 21, 2007, 01:00 PM
Tushar had a decent time with bat against the A teams recently, so If he comes back in, who will be dropped?

Rajin, JO?

well i think the ideal line up if bashar fails in the 2nd inning and perhaps in the 2nd test as well would consist of mushfiq at three and tushar at seven, in place of bashar and pilot respectively.

SMHasan
May 21, 2007, 01:14 PM
Aritro

Bruce got a valid and an important point here. Enamul got a very unusal action where he changes his body movement few times in the same delivery. If you have noticed- his right foot goes away from the body in the begining and his left foot does the same right before delivering the ball. Which causes his imbalance. And for his wiered feet positions he gets open chested or side on actions in the same delivery.

But the good thing is Enam uses his body to get the bounce needed unlike Rafique.
Rafique is very flat and he should use his body to extract more bounce. Rafique uses his fingers to do the tricks but he should work on his bowling.

Sohel
May 21, 2007, 01:18 PM
... But the good thing is Enam uses his body to get the bounce needed unlike Rafique. Rafique is very flat and he should use his body to extract more bounce. Rafique uses his fingers to do the tricks but he should work on his bowling.

and there you have it... :-|

shuziburo
May 21, 2007, 01:27 PM
I dont think Russell will do good in tests, the batsmen will just score low in his overs.

Enamul only does good after the wicket is breaking from 3 days sun. He is at his best on day 4 and 5, we have seen his fury. Too bad, this match, he wont have that crack he needs. For Dhaka match, we need Enamul.

We are focusing on the wrong section. Changes needed are Captain, wicket keeper, I will give Golla another chance.

Actually, a bowler in his (Russell) mold can open things up for the strike bowler at the other end. Ewen Chatfield's bottling up the batsmen made them impatient and sometimes made them try stupid things against Richard Hadlee on the other end. (We all know what can happen when you try stupid shots against Hadlee.) Russell can easily develop into a bowler of Chatfield caliber, if he keeps working hard. (This will make things easier for our other pacers.) Plus, he needs to learn attacking the offstamp. If he learns to bring the ball in off its seam after pitching a few inches outside the off stamp and also after pitching on the middle/leg, he will get wickets as well.

Enamul needs to work on consistent line and length. Great spin bowlers (he has the potential to be great) can trouble batsmen on non-turning pitch by using other tricks. We need all our young spinners to come through in view of Rafique's oncoming retirement. All our bowlers need to learn to attack the off stamp and the next 6 inches. That's where all (or most) the wickets fall.

-ShuziBuro

DAC
May 21, 2007, 01:56 PM
We are focusing on the wrong section. Changes needed are Captain, wicket keeper, I will give Golla another chance.

Totally Agreed. But I want to add one more to your list. I am totally fed up with the distractions from our coach in the middle of crucial series- no respect for our cricket team at all (w/ all due respect with his contributions so far)... first the long awaited World Cup and now this test series for which we had to wait for 13 months!

We are better off just releasing our coach after first test and let a local coach lead the next one. I just want to enjoy the game without the sideshow drama from Dav and BCCI.

Sorry for being off topic here.

jahidus200
May 21, 2007, 02:04 PM
you man whatever he say he is our supporter. when bangladesh gets wicket then he feel good when bangladesh made 4 runs he get exicted. thats show he wants bangladesh do well

TheWatcher
May 21, 2007, 03:14 PM
Junior definately tinkered with his bowling action and that seemed to have reduced his control over line and length.

I would keep him for the 2nd Test too. But if he keeps bowling crap, drop him and send him to work with a bowling coach (Prasanna ?). In that case, I would pick Razzak for the Sri Lanka tour.

Tigers_eye
May 21, 2007, 04:45 PM
Those who want change (even one change) need to think differently. My suggestion is let the same players play and fail again. Thus it would be very easy for the selectors not to pick those non-performing player once for all starting the SL tour. If you give chance to Mushfiq (K Mashud), Razzak (Enam Jr.), Tushar (Bashar) then there would be talks that the selectors didn't give them enough chances. So, I hope the selectors don't change anything. And the drop the non-performers once for all in the next series. No other way to get rid of the deadwoods. We all know they won't retire.

sensible
May 21, 2007, 04:48 PM
Those who want change (even one change) need to think differently. My suggestion is let the same players play and fail again. Thus it would be very easy for the selectors not to pick those non-performing player once for all starting the SL tour. If you give chance to Mushfiq (K Mashud), Razzak (Enam Jr.), Tushar (Bashar) then there would be talks that the selectors didn't give them enough chances. So, I hope the selectors don't change anything. And the drop the non-performers once for all in the next series. No other way to get rid of the deadwoods. We all know they won't retire.


In this model of selection, who would you select replacing Ash? He did not perform as well!

Fazal
May 21, 2007, 04:50 PM
Those who want change (even one change) need to think differently. My suggestion is let the same players play and fail again. Thus it would be very easy for the selectors not to pick those non-performing player once for all starting the SL tour. If you give chance to Mushfiq (K Mashud), Razzak (Enam Jr.), Tushar (Bashar) then there would be talks that the selectors didn't give them enough chances. So, I hope the selectors don't change anything. And the drop the non-performers once for all in the next series. No other way to get rid of the deadwoods. We all know they won't retire.

Wishful thinking. Not only they will select the under performing players for next TEST (as you wished), but they will continue to do so for next few series beyound SL series.

btw That doesn't mean that I consider Enamul as consistent under performing player yet. He need to fail consistently few more series to quality for that role.

Tigers_eye
May 21, 2007, 04:57 PM
Wishful thinking. Not only they will select the under performing players for next TEST (as you wished), but they will continue to do so for next few series beyound SL series.
Yea! You have a point. This may be the last selection Faruk and Co. will be doing.

btw That doesn't mean that I consider Enamul as consistent under performing player yet. He need to fail consistently few more series to quality for that role.
I am with you on this one.

For Ash if he fails in on all four occations then 'yes' the axe needs to be put on his shoulder. Replacement Aftab/Forhad.

IanW
May 21, 2007, 05:52 PM
I dont think Russell will do good in tests, the batsmen will just score low in his overs.

Enamul only does good after the wicket is breaking from 3 days sun. He is at his best on day 4 and 5, we have seen his fury. Too bad, this match, he wont have that crack he needs. For Dhaka match, we need Enamul.

We are focusing on the wrong section. Changes needed are Captain, wicket keeper, I will give Golla another chance.

If the conditions favour swing, then Rasel *will* take wickets in Test cricket.

If they dont, then he can bowl line and length and the strike bowlers can take a well-deserved rest.

Ian Whitchurch

Aritro
May 21, 2007, 10:27 PM
Aritro

Bruce got a valid and an important point here. Enamul got a very unusal action where he changes his body movement few times in the same delivery. If you have noticed- his right foot goes away from the body in the begining and his left foot does the same right before delivering the ball. Which causes his imbalance. And for his wiered feet positions he gets open chested or side on actions in the same delivery.

But the good thing is Enam uses his body to get the bounce needed unlike Rafique.
Rafique is very flat and he should use his body to extract more bounce. Rafique uses his fingers to do the tricks but he should work on his bowling.

All fair points and a good post.

But I think Yardley's most valid point was the one about his failure to stand up-right on delivery. I think this is quite a limitation, and one that he didn't suffer from so much last time I saw him. I think this is one part of his action that he's changed lately, and it's a change for the worse.

Ejaj
May 22, 2007, 02:10 AM
Well, I will disagree about Enamul. He should be given chance more frequenlty. He is the attack bowler and we need such in Test cricket. He might be in off form, but, he is a match winner kind. U never know, he might be taking 6 Wkts suddenly in the next match. Also, since he relies on turn and flight, it is absolutely vital that things like crack happens. This is perfectly normal for bowler like him ( even Murali or Vettory also will be wanting this). So, in my mind, he stays.

regarding 3rd pacer, I would like to see Shahjada. He is a rookie but, have good speed and bounce. I Know, most will disagree to give him a test debut, But, I saw him couple of time and with those extra bounce at 130-135 KM, he can seriously trouble indian batsman. However, this is just a thought. Persoanlly, I would like to go with 2 spinners and 2 fast bowlers. So. no change will be fine.

Aritro
May 22, 2007, 02:32 AM
regarding 3rd pacer, I would like to see Shahjada. He is a rookie but, have good speed and bounce. I Know, most will disagree to give him a test debut, But, I saw him couple of time and with those extra bounce at 130-135 KM, he can seriously trouble indian batsman. However, this is just a thought. Persoanlly, I would like to go with 2 spinners and 2 fast bowlers. So. no change will be fine.

Never seen him bowl but I've heard he's only 5'7

Does he really get that much bounce?

IanW
May 22, 2007, 03:18 AM
Aritio,

Larwood was about that tall. Indeed, there's an argument that short bowlers can bowl effectively faster, as they are releasing at a lower angle, resulting in the ball traversing less actual space ... so it gets there faster.

Aritro
May 22, 2007, 04:12 AM
Aritio,

Larwood was about that tall. Indeed, there's an argument that short bowlers can bowl effectively faster, as they are releasing at a lower angle, resulting in the ball traversing less actual space ... so it gets there faster.

Yeah, but I was addressing his point about how much bounce he gets.

Dhurr
May 22, 2007, 06:41 AM
Nice analysis, fellas.

I feel bad for Tushar Imran in a way. Aritro's analysis about him is spot on, but I still feel bad for the guy. He will probably get a chance in the second test, and if he does not score big, he will be out of the team again. He gets picked for a series, plays one game, then he's out for a year. That has been the story of his life.

Aritro
May 22, 2007, 06:42 AM
Nice analysis, fellas.

I feel bad for Tushar Imran in a way. Aritro's analysis about him is spot on, but I still feel bad for the guy. He will probably get a chance in the second test, and if he does not score big, he will be out of the team again. He gets picked for a series, plays one game, then he's out for a year. That has been the story of his life.
I reckon we put the poor guy out of his misery and just never pick him again. ;)

AsifTheManRahman
May 22, 2007, 11:01 AM
Nice analysis, fellas.

I feel bad for Tushar Imran in a way. Aritro's analysis about him is spot on, but I still feel bad for the guy. He will probably get a chance in the second test, and if he does not score big, he will be out of the team again. He gets picked for a series, plays one game, then he's out for a year. That has been the story of his life.

He needs to be given more games at a stretch for our own good. He must have something in him to be able to score so many for the A team.

mali007
May 22, 2007, 11:14 AM
I agree with you . Also I would suggest Mehrab in place for Nafees and Bashar to bat at
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