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Miraz
May 22, 2007, 07:24 AM
Well, winning was virtually impossible. We could have gone for it. Unfortunately we decided to stay back, but that does not discredit Bangladesh's achievement after playing a test after 13 months.

Mashrafe and Shahadat played with hearts took 9 wickets between them.

Rafiq returned with 4 wickets in the match.

Mashrafe made the impossible possible by his 79 off 91 balls, Javed got a good half century.

Rajin played a good innings and Bashar is also back in business with some runs.

These are all positives from this Test.

Except first innings batting debacle, we played neck to neck to mighty Indians for most part of the match. That's great achievement considering our test record.

Let time come slowly, we will have more opportunities and hopefully we will bem ore habituated with such situations and will go for win.

now calm down and let's prepare for the second Test.

Timtim
May 22, 2007, 07:27 AM
Char din koshto koira tire aisha tori dubano tai dukkho lage

Sohel
May 22, 2007, 07:27 AM
it hurts... give us a little time miraz bhai...:(

BonBon
May 22, 2007, 07:28 AM
Miraz..we understand..but the way first 60runs were scored..and after that the decision of sending Rajin....bhai - shojjo kora koshto..

Does a win come tamely?..One has to fight for it. Sending Rajin out with Ash and Mash caged..looks like how Mir Jafar fought in 1757.

Miraz
May 22, 2007, 07:29 AM
Char din koshto koira tire aisha tori dubano tai dukkho lage

This is Test cricket. Hard game, win is not only a good result.

In fact we were never in "Tir", we could have gone for some brevity, but that was never very easy as it sounds.

Miraz
May 22, 2007, 07:30 AM
Miraz..we understand..but the way first 60runs were scored..and after that the decision of sending Rajin....bhai - shojjo kora koshto..

Does a win come tamely?..One has to fight for it. Sending Rajin out with Ash and Mash caged...

Agreed with this part whole heartedly.

looks like how Mir Jafar fought in 1757

But disagrees with this part strongly.

Sumon77
May 22, 2007, 07:30 AM
Miraz vai, all these achievements are compensated by the loser mentality at the end. sometimes its stupidity when trying something imposible, though this time it was also very very difficult, but was quite safe. it would be a draw anyway. when we need to imject passion and fighting mentality in the young team like us.. this will definitely a step back. anyway, things will change hopefully after some mangement changes.

Sumon77
May 22, 2007, 07:31 AM
Miraz..we understand..but the way first 60runs were scored..and after that the decision of sending Rajin....bhai - shojjo kora koshto..

Does a win come tamely?..One has to fight for it. Sending Rajin out with Ash and Mash caged..looks like how Mir Jafar fought in 1757.
perfectly said. we are sort of L-)

Timtim
May 22, 2007, 07:32 AM
This is Test cricket. Hard game, win is not only a good result.

In fact we were never in "Tir", we could have gone for some brevity, but that was never very easy as it sounds.
It's never easy nor possible when you don't try at all.

cricman
May 22, 2007, 07:33 AM
Well, winning was virtually impossible. We could have gone for it. Unfortunately we decided to stay back, bit that does not discredit Bangladesh's achievement after playing a test after 13 months.


What achievement it rained for 3 day? I can take may positives from this match(Mashrafe, Rajib, Rafique) but this what could of been should of been feeling is going to be hard to get rid off. Dravid was giving us a Victory with open arms and we had it after 10 overs hell we had a chance after 21 overs and we saved India from total humiliation.

Rain effected Draws mean very little, Test Victories? Those are very precious considering we only had one vs Zimbabwe.

Surfer
May 22, 2007, 07:33 AM
I think BD played positive cricket. India had a good possibility of winning at one point of time. BD nullified that and stood firm for a draw.

But I am happy with India's performance. They could have used their reources better however to win he match. But then these things happen.

Miraz
May 22, 2007, 07:34 AM
Miraz vai, all these achievements are compensated by the loser mentality at the end. sometimes its stupidity when trying something imposible, though this time it was also very very difficult, but was quite safe. it would be a draw anyway. .

Really!!

We got bundled out for 90 in the second innings against India in the debut Test and lost 7 wickets for 122 runs in 38 overs in the first innings of the current Test match. We ensured a draw by some positive and good batting.

It was not always on the card.

Hatebreed
May 22, 2007, 07:36 AM
Calm down, we only gave up a good opportunity to win a test match against a real opponent.

cricket_dorshok
May 22, 2007, 07:37 AM
Miraz, if you go back four years when we used to loss regardless match type (odi or test) and opponents (Kenya or Australia), you will get the same positive findings (like someone's 50, someone's 3/4 wkts, someone's brilliant fielding etc. etc.). We are now at different level. The days of positive findings are over. Now the days for win or loss.
We should not encourage this pathetic losser mentality. We know we have a big problem lossing too many wkts in the begining. But today we had a decent start. we scored 50 runs just from 9.2 overs and 1 wicket. Was not a perfect platform to chase down a total of 250 in 43 overs? If not, what do we need to win a match?

cricman
May 22, 2007, 07:37 AM
Defeat #30 to #31 (I don't know how many we lost) Not a big deal to me, going from Victory #1 to #2 would mean the world. I could of cared less if we collapsed like a stack of cards as long as we went for it and those last 7 overs? Scust!

israr
May 22, 2007, 07:39 AM
Disappointed, but not as I was 2 or 3 years back when Bangladesh played test cricket, This proves that we're changing along with time.

Sohel
May 22, 2007, 07:46 AM
Disappointed, but not as I was 2 or 3 years back when Bangladesh played test cricket, This proves that we're changing along with time.

good point bro... but let's not wait too long turning the corner... the buiraz gotta go... :)

Sumon77
May 22, 2007, 07:46 AM
Really!!

We got bundled out for 90 in the second innings against India in the debut Test and lost 7 wickets for 122 runs in 38 overs in the first innings of the Test match. We ensured a draw by some positive and good batting.

It was not always on the card.
ya...really. even if we had lost 2 more wickets (e.g. Ash and Mash), we could stay their for another 20 overs for a draw. as you mentioned how we ended up in 90 runs or 122/7 in 38 overs, i can say also 79 runs partnership for around 20 ovres. their is always positive and negative, whichever you choose. And if you are happy with a draw, then shouldnt be, it was for the rain. Rain and Dravid gave us a opportunity to win a almost lost game (if it was 5 days and considering our 1st innings) and pathetially we didnt even try till end. jsut shamefull mentallity.

BonBon
May 22, 2007, 07:47 AM
we scored 50 runs just from 9.2 overs and 1 wicket. Was not a perfect platform to chase down a total of 250 in 43 overs? If not, what do we need to win a match?

We need to send Rajin :-D :-D :-D and ask him to be extra careful:-p :-p :-p

Sumon77
May 22, 2007, 07:50 AM
We need to send Rajin :-D :-D :-D and ask him to be extra careful:-p :-p :-p
and save LOT of wickets so that next test they can bat in the third innings.

cricket_pagol
May 22, 2007, 07:54 AM
it will take some time to calm down...

positives
Mashrafee and shahadat was amazing (both batting and bowling)
our second innings batting did not collapse
Rafique was good after the first day

But, The truth is that we drew a 3 day match!!! So we should not be too happy about it.

BonBon
May 22, 2007, 07:56 AM
Ok..guyz..now really cool down..and hope we do better in 2nd test. Nofight among brothers

bapzmania
May 22, 2007, 07:58 AM
me still believe that we just miss a chance....but draw is not so sweet like win...sending Rajin was awful

Tigers_eye
May 22, 2007, 08:05 AM
Really!!

We got bundled out for 90 in the second innings against India in the debut Test and lost 7 wickets for 122 runs in 38 overs in the first innings of the Test match. We ensured a draw by some positive and good batting.

It was not always on the card.

Miraz bhai,
I know you are a strong avdocate of the present improvement of BD team. Specially from 2005. Chances don't come easy. Actually this was half a chance almost close to impossible. But not trying can not be justified. That is positive cricket. It became almost a twenty/20 type game. With all the "Mardanga" batsman lineup at least we could try. Rajin was there if we had collapsed 50/5. :(

Rabz
May 22, 2007, 08:13 AM
Really!!

We got bundled out for 90 in the second innings against India in the debut Test and lost 7 wickets for 122 runs in 38 overs in the first innings of the Test match. We ensured a draw by some positive and good batting.

It was not always on the card.

Fair and square Miraz bhai.
But dont let history be the only criteria for your present and future decisions.

If your statement is anything to go by, we should loose every match even before it starts. our players should still get star-stuck by the name of Ponting, Tendulkar and Dravid. Our boys should still go out there to fight our an honourable defeat. Us fans would still tune in just to get the shere pleasure of our boys playing in an international level.

I think the time has changed since those days.
So should the thinking policy.

Yah, its our fourth draw. Great acheivement, ( thanks to RainMan for that as well).
But after the platform has been set and the target was within possibility, our players should have had the attitude that showed they can, they believe they would.

Bashar and JO should have bn a bit more aggressive as they were at the beginning of the innings. Next in should have been Ash or Mashrafee. Try hit out few runs and see how things going.

We had only 30 odd overs to defend once Bashar was out. IF we had lost one or two early wickets trying chasing down the target, there was always the ultra defensive moode and going back to solid batting practise. Rajin is the man for that. He could have come down the order to ensure things are holding up fine in case of emergency.

Lotts of If's, what's, uff's and aha's to be answered.
But i, as a fan, would have been more satisfied with the acheivement knowing we went down with a fight. Not like a whimp.

Let us be proactive, not reactive.

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I think cricman said it beautifully.

Miraz
May 22, 2007, 08:14 AM
Miraz bhai,
I know you are a strong avdocate of the present improvement of BD team. Specially from 2005. Chances don't come easy. Actually this was half a chance almost close to impossible. But not trying can not be justified. That is positive cricket. It became almost a twenty/20 type game. With all the "Mardanga" batsman lineup at least we could try. Rajin was there if we had collapsed 50/5. :(

Agreed whole heartedly. That would have been an outstanding achievement.

We should have definitively tried.

I will be never able to solve the puzzle, why Rajin was sent?

Anyway, it's good to see that the fans have more appetite than ever. Hopefully, our players will get some from the fans. :)

sadi
May 22, 2007, 08:17 AM
First of all, after such a good start, it was almost impossible for us to lose the game. It was either we win or we draw the game and we should have been more positive. Sending Ash and Mash up the order doesn't hurt us much in this kind of scenarios. Ofcourse, we could have lost few wickets going for the shots and then have our defensive specialist like Rajin and Pilot to go for the draw. Today was our best chance since we had fewer runs to get in the fourth innings and didn't have to worry much about losing the game since there were so few overs left. Batsmen can always take the light in the end but can also continues to play the game if they had a shot. We had the chance.

Miraz
May 22, 2007, 08:20 AM
Fair and square Miraz bhai.
But dont let history be the only criteria for your present and future decisions.

.

Bhaijan, first innings of this test is not history, it's still present and I was saying that we lost 7 wickets for 122 runs in the first innings.

Anyway, I am also very much saddened by the overcautious (timid?) approach by the team management.

Inexplicable.

Nasif
May 22, 2007, 08:26 AM
and Bashar is also back in business with some runs.


Everything is good except this! It would have been better if this was part of another pair. It will prolong his stay

Nafi
May 22, 2007, 08:31 AM
Well, winning was virtually impossible. We could have gone for it. Unfortunately we decided to stay back, but that does not discredit Bangladesh's achievement after playing a test after 13 months.




VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! :timeout:

NO WAY, I hope you never ever talk to any BD players in your life, because of your looser mentality


We had only lost two wickets, sending big hitters like mash and ash would of ensured a great chance of winning, this could of been a great match, but we stupidly took a draw.

It was really a shame for cricket, it could of been exciting....but no it was complete s**t

This was almost a dissapointing as the Ireland match

sensible
May 22, 2007, 08:47 AM
To be honest, only one team in the world (<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>) could have tried and win this test match with some level of certainty. 250 runs in 40 odd overs may seem like an easy target. That's because we're comparing this target with that in a one day. But there are a number of basic differences between the two forms of cricket.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
1) This is the last day of a 5 day match. The pitch, even though there was no play for about 2 days, was at least 3 days old. <o:p></o:p>
2) These players were in an intense competition for 5 long days at a stretch. “No play” does not relieve them of their pressure in any way. They were physically and mentally tired.<o:p></o:p>
3) In a one day match, there are field restrictions these days, which enabled the large total amassed by teams these days. In test, there were no such field restrictions. There was a time when 200 was a huge score in 60 over matches because these restrictions were not in place.<o:p></o:p>
4) In a one day, there was restriction on bowling. A bowler can only bowl for 20% of overs. In tests, there is no such restriction. This allows the fielding team to use the most economic or effective bowler for a longer spell.<o:p></o:p>
5) The laws for “no ball” and “wide ball” are different. A bowler can bowl 6 bouncers, if he wants to, or bowl down the leg side. It’s not possible in a one day.<o:p></o:p>
6) If <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:place></st1:country-region> had tried to reach this target, all Dravid had to do was play a bit of negative cricket. He could use slow bowlers like Sachin or Ramesh for a long spell, bowl wide of the pitch and scoring would have been hard. In fact he did put more players on the boundaries when JO and Basher were scoring 4s so easily.<o:p></o:p>
7) In fact, Dravid gave up the hope for win a long time before <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:place></st1:country-region> did. He settled for a more defensive field right after 1<SUP>st</SUP> 10 overs and that’s when our run rate went down.<o:p></o:p>
8) I agree with Miraz that we have so many positives in this match: Our top order did get some batting practice. Hopefully, Basher got his form back. He did play some wonderful shots today. So did JO. We learned to bat on the 5<SUP>th</SUP> day of a match while we’re down and under threat to lose. Our spinners (Rafiq) got a few wickets. We take all these to <st1:place w:st="on">Dhaka</st1:place> for the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> test.<o:p></o:p>
9) In test matches (this is purely my opinion), it is always better to make sure that you don’t lose the match first. Then and only then you can try to win it.<o:p></o:p>
10) Trust me on this: Dravid is the happiest man on earth today as he did not lose this match!<o:p></o:p>
11) The only thing I would have changed is send may be Ash when Basher got out. But then Rajin needed this bat practice. God only knows that we’ll need some defensive plays for the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> test.<o:p></o:p>

sadat_04
May 22, 2007, 08:49 AM
Couldn't agree with u Miraz bhai.. giving up just after 2 wickets had fell? come on... we should have at least tried...it was always going to be hard..but giving up that easily is the type of looser mentality that is just shameful...
a draw against India with rain factor and Kumble missing out is not going to get us any respect out there in the cricket world...
come on, what are we looking for now? we already have a test victory, draw against WI, so a draw in a 3 day match like this one gives us bull... we need a win against a major team in Tests...thats the only thing matters for bangladesh cricket at this point...
if we were 6 wickets down, then we should have sent in Rajin & mashud to bat out the rest of the overs for safety...
well, we should just accept it, as long as we have captain like bashar in our test team we will not make anything happen, he will always always wait for something to happen...Dravid really showed us today..( I can't believe I am even talking in favor of India) ...the only positive out of this match was the rise of Mashrafee & Shahadat... first innings batting was horrible... giving up wickets after 30s... is just not acceptable in test cricket... then again bangalees' are happy with very little...

Baundule
May 22, 2007, 08:53 AM
After such a very good start, I dont understand what kept us held back.
Chasing 250 is a very stiff task; but we did the hard work of making an excellent start. Then letting all the good work down is so shameful.

I would blame the team management, especially Dav Whatmore, yes Dav Whatmore for this horrible strategy.

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As a side note, this also makes some sense about HaBa's poor captaincy. He was always doing the same, the same defensive strategies. Now, it seems, it's not all HaBa's fault. It came from the management. HaBa was in the firing line being in the field. But lot of stupidities goes behind the curtain.

Miraz
May 22, 2007, 08:55 AM
Sadat bhai, I am not saying that the team management took the perfect approach. I am equally unhappy, but I want to look at the other side of the coin. :)

I am also very much saddened by the overcautious (timid?) approach by the team management.

Inexplicable.
We should have definitively tried.

I will be never able to solve the puzzle, why Rajin was sent?

CTazim
May 22, 2007, 08:59 AM
I agree with the the cricinfo heading although I have not read the whole article yet.

Draw despite sporting declaration[http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/bdeshvind/content/current/story/295410.html]

I also believe that fortune favors the brave. An individual in this forum has disagreed with me and have personally attacked me when I have pointed out the shortcomings of our present coach Dav. He has insinuated that DAV singlehandedly had taken BD cricket to this level. That mentality is self-serving. At the same time not parting amicably may be our shorcoming that we want to overcome [although I think Dav's action regarding the manner in which he solicited India's job speaks for itself and is a different topic altogether]. But the fact remains we need new think tanks in the strategic level. At the same time we need to make sure our expectations are communicated through the channels that promote the self-belief -through the voice that reflects this self-belief. Not the one that keeps giving oneself pat in the back when we do not deserve it!

Today, the fact that the team did not go for the win and it is being encouraged through some "statistics" that it is only our 5th draw is a bit disappointing. However, here is the counter thought. What if we had collapsed chasing the runs and lost the match? Remember we have consistently collapsed in 2nd Innings against India, no ? What would cricinfo etc. headlines say then? Something like "Even Rain could not save Bangladesh?" or "Only 2 1/2 days' enough for India" etc. etc.
What would the same fans, including myself had said?

Then I ask myself this question, are those thoughts of someone who does not believe in the courage of one's conviction? Maybe, I need to reflect on this a bit. Here is my conclusion I am willing to accept failure but if the players go on the field not trying then that is absolutely inexcusable. The 15 mandatory overs at the end of the day required 146 runs. But Bangladesh [Bashar, Dav] decides otherwise? This is not the mentality of a winner - by any gauge. We need to make mental notes to change that thought process. Some of us already have. Others welcome to join us.

Anher
May 22, 2007, 09:03 AM
With this sort mentality and satification after draw we have no chance at all to win in next test if its continue to 5 days without rain delay. So the bottom line is we whitewashed in ODI series and lose test series. No different to me. Would you ever say we made a draw against Ind in May 2007. Cricket is so boring to most of world because of these moronic loser mentality.
For god sake like you all i want a win against quality opponents so badly. I dont want to wait another 2 years to get another chance of win.

The end line is

"Dravid showed the bravery we do the mockery"

Baundule
May 22, 2007, 09:09 AM
Well, winning was virtually impossible. We could have gone for it. Unfortunately we decided to stay back, but that does not discredit Bangladesh's achievement after playing a test after 13 months.

Mashrafe and Shahadat played with hearts took 9 wickets between them.

Rafiq returned with 4 wickets in the match.

Mashrafe made the impossible possible by his 79 off 91 balls, Javed got a good half century.

Rajin played a good innings and Bashar is also back in business with some runs.

These are all positives from this Test.

Except first innings batting debacle, we played neck to neck to mighty Indians for most part of the match. That's great achievement considering our test record.

Let time come slowly, we will have more opportunities and hopefully we will bem ore habituated with such situations and will go for win.

now calm down and let's prepare for the second Test.

Miraz bhai,

I think, no one is complaining about the team's performance. The positives you told, are all related to team's performance and everyone here knows them.

What we are concerned about is we gave away a real chance. I am sure, we will not get those chances so often in world cricket. Before going in to the first test, we must admit that adopting such a shameful defensive approach after an excellent start was a horrible mistake. It was a gr8 chance for us and we should have tried.

If calm down means, you want to ignore this fact, then I would say, we should just look at the statistics and stop expecting winning any test.

Tehsin
May 22, 2007, 09:09 AM
Just a quick note, given our REAL strenght (well, our suicidal batting tendencies) Dravid felt safe enough to declare at 100 for 6. Against any other Test team (except Zimbabwe), he would not have taken that decision.

As for our batting, It's not impossible to score 250 off 43. Chances are, we would have made mistakes, mistakes that cause India 6 wickets to get to 100. I'd give our bowlers some credit for that. That's one area where we have improved and Rajib is shaping up to be a great partner for Masri. However, our batting still remains the worry and we can't always rely on masri and the tail to dig us out of trouble.

The decision was a safe bet. We should have gone for it but as many people have pointed out, we can ask Rajin. The poor guy might have been asked by the coach and captain to go in there and play for a draw.

By the way, we lost over 2 days to rain. This result hardly matters. The only reason we even got to this point is thanks to Masri, Rajib, Rafique, and Dravid for the declaration.

sensible
May 22, 2007, 09:14 AM
For those of you who hate Basher, here are some stats:
Year/Season Ave
2000/2001 44.2
2001/2002 36.5
2002/2003 18.9
2003 50.1
2003/2004 30.7
2004/2005 25.7
2005/2006 37.6


So don't write him off just yet!

soure: CI


71 30 0/39 0 0 L Only Test v Ind in BD 2000/01 at Dhaka [1512 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2000-01/IND_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/IND_BDESH_T_10-14NOV2000.html)]
0 24 DNB 1 0 L 1st Test v Zim in Zim 2000/01 at Bulawayo [1543 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2000-01/BDESH_IN_ZIM/SCORECARDS/BDESH_ZIM_T1_19-23APR2001.html)]
64 76 DNB 1 0 L 2nd Test v Zim in Zim 2000/01 at Harare [1545 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2000-01/BDESH_IN_ZIM/SCORECARDS/BDESH_ZIM_T2_26-30APR2001.html)]
13 56* DNB 0 0 L 1st Match v Pak in Pak 2001/02 at Multan [1560 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/ASIA-TEST/SCORECARDS/BDESH_PAK_ASIA-TEST_T1_29AUG-02SEP2001.html)]
4 19 0/34 0 0 L 2nd Match v SL in SL 2001/02 at Colombo (SSC) [1561 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/ASIA-TEST/SCORECARDS/BDESH_SL_ASIA-TEST_T2_06-10SEP2001.html)]
0 65 DNB 1 0 D 1st Test v Zim in BD 2001/02 at Dhaka [1566 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/ZIM_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/ZIM_BDESH_T1_08-12NOV2001.html)]
108 76 DNB 2 0 L 2nd Test v Zim in BD 2001/02 at Chittagong (MAA) [1568 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/ZIM_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/ZIM_BDESH_T2_15-19NOV2001.html)]
61 1 DNB 0 0 L 1st Test v NZ in NZ 2001/02 at Hamilton [1577 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/BDESH_IN_NZ/SCORECARDS/BDESH_NZ_T1_18-22DEC2001.html)]
6 32 DNB 1 0 L 2nd Test v NZ in NZ 2001/02 at Wellington [1579 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/BDESH_IN_NZ/SCORECARDS/BDESH_NZ_T2_26-30DEC2001.html)]
53 0 DNB 0 0 L 1st Test v Pak in BD 2001/02 at Dhaka [1584 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/PAK_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/PAK_BDESH_T1_09-13JAN2002.html)]
2 51 DNB 0 0 L 2nd Test v Pak in BD 2001/02 at Chittagong (MAA) [1586 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2001-02/PAK_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/PAK_BDESH_T2_16-20JAN2002.html)]
24 34 0/43 1 0 L 1st Test v SL in SL 2002 at Colombo (PSS) [1609 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2002/BDESH_IN_SL/SCORECARDS/BDESH_SL_T1_21-25JUL2002.html)]
11 3 0/38 2 0 L 2nd Test v SL in SL 2002 at Colombo (SSC) [1611 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2002/BDESH_IN_SL/SCORECARDS/BDESH_SL_T2_28JUL-01AUG2002.html)]
38 21 DNB 0 0 L 1st Test v SA in SA 2002/03 at East London [1619 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2002-03/BDESH_IN_RSA/SCORECARDS/BDESH_RSA_T1_18-22OCT2002.html)]
40 7 0/2 0 0 L 2nd Test v SA in SA 2002/03 at Potchefstroom [1621 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2002-03/BDESH_IN_RSA/SCORECARDS/BDESH_RSA_T2_25-29OCT2002.html)]
24 22 DNB 1 0 L 1st Test v WI in BD 2002/03 at Dhaka [1630 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2002-03/WI_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/WI_BDESH_T1_08-12DEC2002.html)]
3 0 DNB 1 0 L 2nd Test v WI in BD 2002/03 at Chittagong (MAA) [1632 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2002-03/WI_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/WI_BDESH_T2_16-20DEC2002.html)]
60 75 0/38 0 0 L 1st Test v SA in BD 2003 at Chittagong (MAA) [1640 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003/RSA_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/RSA_BDESH_T1_24-28APR2003.html)]
14 33 DNB 0 0 L 2nd Test v SA in BD 2003 at Dhaka [1642 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003/RSA_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/RSA_BDESH_T2_01-05MAY2003.html)]
16 54 0/1 0 0 L 1st Test v Aus in Aus 2003 at Darwin [1650 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003/BDESH_IN_AUS/SCORECARDS/BDESH_AUS_T1_18-22JUL2003.html)]
46 25 DNB 0 0 L 2nd Test v Aus in Aus 2003 at Cairns [1652 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003/BDESH_IN_AUS/SCORECARDS/BDESH_AUS_T2_25-29JUL2003.html)]
71 108 DNB 0 0 L 1st Test v Pak in Pak 2003 at Karachi [1655 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003/BDESH_IN_PAK/SCORECARDS/BDESH_PAK_T1_20-24AUG2003.html)]
97 28 DNB 0 0 L 2nd Test v Pak in Pak 2003 at Peshawar [1657 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003/BDESH_IN_PAK/SCORECARDS/BDESH_PAK_T2_27-31AUG2003.html)]
72 3 DNB 1 0 L 3rd Test v Pak in Pak 2003 at Multan [1658 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003/BDESH_IN_PAK/SCORECARDS/BDESH_PAK_T3_03-07SEP2003.html)]
2 58 DNB 0 0 L 1st Test v Eng in BD 2003/04 at Dhaka [1665 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003-04/ENG_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/ENG_BDESH_T1_21-25OCT2003.html)]
18 21 DNB 0 0 L 2nd Test v Eng in BD 2003/04 at Chittagong (MAA) [1667 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003-04/ENG_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/ENG_BDESH_T2_29OCT-02NOV2003.html)]
0 0 DNB 2 0 * L 1st Test v Zim in Zim 2003/04 at Harare [1683 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003-04/BDESH_IN_ZIM/SCORECARDS/BDESH_ZIM_T1_19-23FEB2004.html)]
4 - DNB 0 0 * D 2nd Test v Zim in Zim 2003/04 at Bulawayo [1684 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2003-04/BDESH_IN_ZIM/SCORECARDS/BDESH_ZIM_T2_26FEB-01MAR2004.html)]
113 25 DNB 2 0 * D 1st Test v WI in WI 2004 at Gros Islet [1701 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004/BDESH_IN_WI/SCORECARDS/BDESH_WI_T1_28MAY-01JUN2004.html)]
20 77 DNB 0 0 * L 2nd Test v WI in WI 2004 at Kingston [1703 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004/BDESH_IN_WI/SCORECARDS/BDESH_WI_T2_04-08JUN2004.html)]
8 12 DNB 1 0 * L 1st Test v Ind in BD 2004/05 at Dhaka [1725 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/IND_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/IND_BDESH_T1_10-14DEC2004.html)]
22 17 DNB 1 0 * L 2nd Test v Ind in BD 2004/05 at Chittagong (MAA) [1727 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/IND_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/IND_BDESH_T2_17-21DEC2004.html)]
94 55 DNB 1 0 * W 1st Test v Zim in BD 2004/05 at Chittagong (MAA) [1733 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/ZIM_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/ZIM_BDESH_T1_06-10JAN2005.html)]
10 2 DNB 0 0 * D 2nd Test v Zim in BD 2004/05 at Dhaka [1735 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/ZIM_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/ZIM_BDESH_T2_14-18JAN2005.html)]
3 16 DNB 0 0 * L 1st Test v Eng in Eng 2005 at Lord's [1751 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005/BDESH_IN_ENG/SCORECARDS/BDESH_ENG_T1_26-30MAY2005.html)]
6 63 DNB 0 0 * L 2nd Test v Eng in Eng 2005 at Chester-le-Street [1753 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005/BDESH_IN_ENG/SCORECARDS/BDESH_ENG_T2_03-07JUN2005.html)]
84 15 DNB 0 0 * L 1st Test v SL in SL 2005/06 at Colombo (RPS) [1764 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/BDESH_IN_SL/SCORECARDS/BDESH_SL_T1_12-16SEP2005.html)]
18 10 DNB 0 0 * L 2nd Test v SL in SL 2005/06 at Colombo (PSS) [1766 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/BDESH_IN_SL/SCORECARDS/BDESH_SL_T2_20-24SEP2005.html)]
29 12 DNB 0 0 * L 1st Test v SL in BD 2005/06 at Chittagong (CDS) [1784 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/SL_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/SL_BDESH_T1_28FEB-04MAR2006.html)]
69 73 DNB 0 0 * L 2nd Test v SL in BD 2005/06 at Bogra [1786 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/SL_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/SL_BDESH_T2_08-12MAR2006.html)]
76 7 DNB 0 0 * L 1st Test v Aus in BD 2005/06 at Fatullah [1797 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/AUS_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/AUS_BDESH_T1_09-13APR2006.html)]
9 49 DNB 0 0 * L 2nd Test v Aus in BD 2005/06 at Chittagong (CDS) [1799 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/AUS_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/AUS_BDESH_T2_16-20APR2006.html)]

CTazim
May 22, 2007, 09:19 AM
Just a quick note, given our REAL strenght (well, our suicidal batting tendencies) Dravid felt safe enough to declare at 100 for 6. Against any other Test team (except Zimbabwe), he would not have taken that decision.



Well said Tehsin! My sentiment as well. However, I think Bashar should have disagreed with the proposition of not playing the 15 mandatory overs.

Again

146/15= 9.74 runs an over is a bit too much even in ODI standar. The key is Rajin should have been brought towards the end if it was necessary.

Collassal failure in strategic thinking!!

Anher
May 22, 2007, 09:19 AM
Well, winning was virtually impossible. We could have gone for it. Unfortunately we decided to stay back, but that does not discredit Bangladesh's achievement after playing a test after 13 months.

Mashrafe and Shahadat played with hearts took 9 wickets between them.

Rafiq returned with 4 wickets in the match.

Mashrafe made the impossible possible by his 79 off 91 balls, Javed got a good half century.

Rajin played a good innings and Bashar is also back in business with some runs.

These are all positives from this Test.

Except first innings batting debacle, we played neck to neck to mighty Indians for most part of the match. That's great achievement considering our test record.

Let time come slowly, we will have more opportunities and hopefully we will bem ore habituated with such situations and will go for win.

now calm down and let's prepare for the second Test.

Only positive thing in this match is Mash and shahadats partership with sensible cricket in first innings and most of the things are negative. Wait for rain in next test if its wased out -- nak-a tel dia guman sobai series draw korar jonno.

Tintin
May 22, 2007, 09:21 AM
The 15 mandatory overs at the end of the day required 146 runs. This assumption is incorrect. There was never any chance that the light would have stayed good for more than about 35 overs. And that, assuming that India bowled at the normal rate.

When Rajin went in, Bangladesh needed around 170 in, theoretically, 22 overs. In reality it was more like 170 in 15 overs.

All the analysis seem to exclude India completely. At the first glimpse of trouble, Dravid would have slowed down the over rates sharply. Then we would have seen bowlers bowling two feet outside the off stump and taking too long to walk back to the mark or field being reset after every ball.

Bangladesh should have gone for it, but the possibility of a win was very remote and the declaration was not as generous as it may first appear.

Aritro
May 22, 2007, 09:33 AM
Everything is good except this! It would have been better if this was part of another pair. It will prolong his stay

I don't mind him staying on as a Test batsman.

We just need to strip him of the captaincy as quickly as possible.

If the interview with Akram is any guide, the selectors are intending to allow him to decide when that'll happen.

Looking over some old posts by Richard McInnes, it certainly appears as though he wasn't over enamoured with Habla's 'tactics'. Maybe, if as some admittedly dodgy sources suggest, he comes on board as the new coach, he might hasten this move.

Tigers_eye
May 22, 2007, 09:35 AM
lol, sensible. 2006/2007 stat ta koto? In the teens?

1) There are better players waiting in the wings. (mehrab Jr., Forhad, Aftab can improve the team in all sectors of the game that is Batting, bowling and fielding. + they wouldn't fall asleep in the middle of the game like him.)

2) Captaincy would improve by several notches. (Ofcourse there will be growing pains but we would atleast try)

3) Finally mano against mano. 11 verses 11. That's all I hope for.

sensible
May 22, 2007, 09:40 AM
lol, sensible. 2006/2007 stat ta koto? In the teens?

1) There are better players waiting in the wings. (mehrab Jr., Forhad, Aftab can improve the team in all sectors of the game that is Batting, bowling and fielding. + they wouldn't fall asleep in the middle of the game like him.)

2) Captaincy would improve by several notches. (Ofcourse there will be growing pains but we would atleast try)

3) Finally mano against mano. 11 verses 11. That's all I hope for.


So you want to compute the 2006/2007 average based on just one match? I'm not so sure about your statistical knowledge! Or practical knowledge for that matter....because the match that you're talking about is the one and first match after a 13 month break!

Not sure about captain Basher, but batsman Basher is needed...very very much

Miraz
May 22, 2007, 09:51 AM
We may not like Bashar in ODIs, but in Tests he carried the flag solely for long time.

2875 test runs at an average above 33 is not a joke. He scored more than one third of all the Test runs scored by Bangladesh.

He was always useless in ODIs and priceless in Tests.

Don't write him off as a Test batsman. Not enough logic there, except blind emotions.

IMO, he should drop Captaincy for the best interest of the team and only play as a batsman in Tests.

For ODIs, Adios Bashar.

Spitfire_x86
May 22, 2007, 09:51 AM
Our team will be much better without these oldies in the team.

Bashar can compete with the new players as batsman only for the next two away test series, only because he deserves this chance based on his past test records. If he fails, then final goodbye to him.

Tigers_eye
May 22, 2007, 09:55 AM
So you want to compute the 2006/2007 average based on just one match? I'm not so sure about your statistical knowledge! Or practical knowledge for that matter....because the match that you're talking about is the one and first match after a 13 month break!

Not sure about captain Basher, but batsman Basher is needed...very very much
Here is some practical knowledge.

Batting form: Either you are inform or you are out of form. No matter what type of game one is playing (ODI or Test). If you are off-form you don't represent the national team. Go some where (domestic) where the pressure is much less and then come back once you regain your confidence and form.

Physical fitness: Either he has it or he he doesn't. The ugly runouts haven't surfaced yet.

Mental fitness: The lapse of concentration. The understanding of the game situation. What a loppa catch he gave away in the second ball. Surely he has lost it.

13 month lay off is only an excuse of Bashar and supporters of bashar. I don't see Rajin making comments like that. How about Mash? How many test did they play in the last 13 months?

There are lies, there are damn lies and there is Statistics.

You can have your stats and sleep peacefully at night. Years old stat means nothing to me when it comes to performing now. Bashar at 30 is not bashar at 34. You know it, I know it, even he knows it. It is the current form that matters. His shoddy footwork, the bad habits (tendency to pull) can't justify his inclusion when we have reinforcements.

CTazim
May 22, 2007, 09:58 AM
We may not like Bashar in ODIs, but in Tests he carried the flag solely for long time.

2875 test runs at an average above 33 is not a joke. He scored more than one third of all the Test runs scored by Bangladesh.

He was always useless in ODIs and priceless in Tests.

Don't write him off as a Test batsman. Not enough logic there, except blind emotions.

IMO, he should drop Captaincy for the good of the team and only play as a batsman in Tests.

For ODIs, Adios Bashar.


I agree with Miraz on this one.

1. Two different mind sets needed to watch ODI cricket and Test. Although Australia has changed the strategy in Test as well and others should follow that.

2. Bashar should be considered for Test still. His contribution cannot be overlooked.

3. Tactical skills is different than Strategic thinking. That is why a mediocre player can be an extremely effective coach, manager and the best of the best player can signal disaster as a coach or manager.

4. Bashar should not be written off from Test yet.

KnightBD
May 22, 2007, 10:02 AM
To be honest, only one team in the world (<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>) could have tried and win this test match with some level of certainty. 250 runs in 40 odd overs may seem like an easy target. That's because we're comparing this target with that in a one day. But there are a number of basic differences between the two forms of cricket.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
1) This is the last day of a 5 day match. The pitch, even though there was no play for about 2 days, was at least 3 days old. <o:p></o:p>
2) These players were in an intense competition for 5 long days at a stretch. “No play” does not relieve them of their pressure in any way. They were physically and mentally tired.<o:p></o:p>
3) In a one day match, there are field restrictions these days, which enabled the large total amassed by teams these days. In test, there were no such field restrictions. There was a time when 200 was a huge score in 60 over matches because these restrictions were not in place.<o:p></o:p>
4) In a one day, there was restriction on bowling. A bowler can only bowl for 20% of overs. In tests, there is no such restriction. This allows the fielding team to use the most economic or effective bowler for a longer spell.<o:p></o:p>
5) The laws for “no ball” and “wide ball” are different. A bowler can bowl 6 bouncers, if he wants to, or bowl down the leg side. It’s not possible in a one day.<o:p></o:p>
6) If <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:place></st1:country-region> had tried to reach this target, all Dravid had to do was play a bit of negative cricket. He could use slow bowlers like Sachin or Ramesh for a long spell, bowl wide of the pitch and scoring would have been hard. In fact he did put more players on the boundaries when JO and Basher were scoring 4s so easily.<o:p></o:p>
7) In fact, Dravid gave up the hope for win a long time before <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:place></st1:country-region> did. He settled for a more defensive field right after 1<SUP>st</SUP> 10 overs and that’s when our run rate went down.<o:p></o:p>
8) I agree with Miraz that we have so many positives in this match: Our top order did get some batting practice. Hopefully, Basher got his form back. He did play some wonderful shots today. So did JO. We learned to bat on the 5<SUP>th</SUP> day of a match while we’re down and under threat to lose. Our spinners (Rafiq) got a few wickets. We take all these to <st1:place w:st="on">Dhaka</st1:place> for the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> test.<o:p></o:p>
9) In test matches (this is purely my opinion), it is always better to make sure that you don’t lose the match first. Then and only then you can try to win it.<o:p></o:p>
10) Trust me on this: Dravid is the happiest man on earth today as he did not lose this match!<o:p></o:p>
11) The only thing I would have changed is send may be Ash when Basher got out. But then Rajin needed this bat practice. God only knows that we’ll need some defensive plays for the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> test.<o:p></o:p>

Good points.

CTazim
May 22, 2007, 10:03 AM
Well said Tehsin! My sentiment as well. However, I think Bashar should have disagreed with the proposition of not playing the 15 mandatory overs.

Again

146/15= 9.74 runs an over is a bit too much even in ODI standar. The key is Rajin should have been brought towards the end if it was necessary.

Collassal failure in strategic thinking!!


P.S. I am one of the most vocal critic of Ha.ba. BTW but cannot compromise my objective thought process.

Mike
May 22, 2007, 10:04 AM
A win is never and ever possible if the captain wants a draw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Therefore, there is no need to show excuses. Only we can acheive WIN by changing this negative mentality. That can be cured by changing captain and couple of other players.

sensible
May 22, 2007, 10:06 AM
I don't want to get into a prolonged argument with you about Basher. Your quote "Lies, ..." is a good one, but often mis-interpreted. Being a Statistician by profession, I can only tell you that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". So one can abuse the statistics (like computing average based on one match!), but that does not invalidate all the statistics.

Anyway, I just want to remind you that the criteria that you discussed, if you apply all of them to all players in and around Bangladesh team, you would not be able to find 11 players to make up a team! After all, the standard should be the same for all, don't you agree?

Mike
May 22, 2007, 10:09 AM
We may not like Bashar in ODIs, but in Tests he carried the flag solely for long time.

2875 test runs at an average above 33 is not a joke. He scored more than one third of all the Test runs scored by Bangladesh.

He was always useless in ODIs and priceless in Tests.

Don't write him off as a Test batsman. Not enough logic there, except blind emotions.

IMO, he should drop Captaincy for the best interest of the team and only play as a batsman in Tests.

For ODIs, Adios Bashar.
Supporting to Keep Bashar in ODI or Test is the "blind emotions", because he is mentally out of order now. He must be rested for a while to improve his mentality and technique. At this moment, he is doing more harm than anything else for BD.

Tigers_eye
May 22, 2007, 10:16 AM
How similar then again how different we are. My work on Quality Improvement deals with Statistical Analysis. I can manupulate it the way it suits me I know that.

A standard yes ofcourse. Otherwise we fall into mediocre. Going by emotion is never good. Right now the selectors in their (maybe) last selection process are just trying not to disturb the continuity. I would not blame them a bit. Only after the finishing the second test they should apply the standard. 30+ scores looks bad when a pure bowler achieve that in the most pressurized situation (Shahadat).

Fazal
May 22, 2007, 10:22 AM
Our team will be much better without these oldies in the team.

True... looks like we trust on too many out of form oldies for too long... that costs us dearly.

Here is some practical knowledge.
13 month lay off is only an excuse of Bashar and supporters of bashar. I don't see Rajin making comments like that. How about Mash? How many test did they play in the last 13 months?
To the point. As we said so many times our national team is not a "day-care center" nor it is "assited-home for old people" . best formed (at present) players should be selected and they are expected to perform. No special excuse for any special player please.



There are lies, there are damn lies and there is Statistics.
....
Bashar at 30 is not bashar at 34.

So true.... when you don't consider the current form, fitness and age of the player, one year (or later) old stat means nothing . When a player hits 30-32, ist not easy to regain the form back. And we don't know what is bashar's real age...

Its refreshing to see so many people are agreeing with me....and that it
1. Ususally we have too many out-of-form oldies in our team for too long
2. National team is not the place to regain a player's form back, its doemestic league and team-a where they regain their form back
3. Only young players deserves our patience to gain experience from national team (after soem experience with team-a)
4. No point investing slots for old out of form players in the national team. They should regain their form back in loacal and team-a games.

allrounder
May 22, 2007, 10:33 AM
How come JO's contribution as an oldie is not being discussed and the failure of young Shariar Nafees continuing?

Ahmed_B
May 22, 2007, 10:48 AM
This assumption is incorrect. There was never any chance that the light would have stayed good for more than about 35 overs. And that, assuming that India bowled at the normal rate.

When Rajin went in, Bangladesh needed around 170 in, theoretically, 22 overs. In reality it was more like 170 in 15 overs.

All the analysis seem to exclude India completely. At the first glimpse of trouble, Dravid would have slowed down the over rates sharply. Then we would have seen bowlers bowling two feet outside the off stump and taking too long to walk back to the mark or field being reset after every ball.

Bangladesh should have gone for it, but the possibility of a win was very remote and the declaration was not as generous as it may first appear.

Some very valid points and everybody out here demanding a 'go-for-the-kill' are probably completely missing these points. Every post I am reading about "why did not BD go for the win?" only makes me ask the same question to myself over and over again "Why on earth are so many ppl actually thinking that there were 15 overs of play remaining in the day??!!"

5 to 10 overs had to be curtailed at the end of each of the days just because of bad light. And giving the light conditions when play was called off.. they could hardly play 5-7 overs more!

AsifTheManRahman
May 22, 2007, 10:58 AM
This assumption is incorrect. There was never any chance that the light would have stayed good for more than about 35 overs. And that, assuming that India bowled at the normal rate.

When Rajin went in, Bangladesh needed around 170 in, theoretically, 22 overs. In reality it was more like 170 in 15 overs.

All the analysis seem to exclude India completely. At the first glimpse of trouble, Dravid would have slowed down the over rates sharply. Then we would have seen bowlers bowling two feet outside the off stump and taking too long to walk back to the mark or field being reset after every ball.

Bangladesh should have gone for it, but the possibility of a win was very remote and the declaration was not as generous as it may first appear.

All very valid points. People are forgetting India and the light factor here.

Beamer
May 22, 2007, 11:08 AM
Opportunity lost? maybe. But, in all porbability, it was never really there. 250 runs off 43 would have been difficult for us even in a one day setting. In the scenario of a test match it would have been even more difficult to achieve. No field restrictions, no over restrictions, more margin of error for negative bowling - all point to the conclusion that if Dravid ever thought during the chase that we are anywhere near close to running it down, he would have made sure that it didn't happen. Would he have declared against any other opposition? NO. Actually, he wouldn't have done so even against us if the make up of our team was different than the one that just played this test. We are talking about promoting Mashrafee here. But, in reality, it is the job of the top six to bat according to the situation. If we have to promote him to do the undoable, that tells me that the batsmen we have taken for this test only can play in one gear. It was a mind twisting decision of not sending Ashraful. Who knows what could he have done. He might have gone for a low score trying to hit out, or, as he have done before many times, he might have produced a magical string of runs in a minimum of overs. In the first case scenario, we had the assurance of Sakib and Rajin to make sure we didn't lose after Ash fell. Anyway, the match is over and desrevedly MM is the MOM. Kudos to Dravid for making it interesting though...

sensible
May 22, 2007, 11:17 AM
I'm not sure if Dravid had much of choice but to declare when he did. With 6 wickets down and Dhony being the only recognized batsman, the other end was open. Also, we have to think of Kumbley situation. Even if Dravid had not declared then, at best they would have scored another 20/30 runs by lunch. So he did the sensible thing by declaring before lunch and kept his hopes up for a few quick wickets before lunch. Even a couple of wickets before lunch would have caused Dravid to attack us after lunch and try for a win. When that did not happen, he became defensive and then reluctant. He said so in his post match interview that he was hoping for some quick wickets.

Those who are now claiming that we had an opportunity are forgetting that we had half a chance just because JO and Bashar gave us a start and saved the test.

SMHasan
May 22, 2007, 11:30 AM
True that we got lot of positives from this match. But after all these positives I want to say that sending Rajin in that time was a terrible decision. I cannot accept this.

Thank you to all who said that we should have gone for the win. I respect you. We showed no intent to fight till the end. Yes I understand that the light was fading as Tintin mentioned but does it a matter at all? Did we see any killing instinct? Even if the light was not enough to play the final overs the umpires would have offered the light to the batsman, then they could deny it and could continue to play. But sadly they gave up long before that. SO the light issure is void here.

The bottom line is we sent Rajin to save the game and gave up all the hope. Seems like we are a nation of no hopers.

Did anyone noticed what Bashar said in the presentaion ceremony? He said 'our plan was if we don't loose too many ealry wickets then we could have a go'. Now the question is did we loose too many wickets?

I don't know what our management thinks.I really don't know. What I think is when they are playing then the whole squad cannot judge the match situation from outside. By the word 'outside' I mean the broader vision. It's the menatal aspect of the game. If you are in dressing room then you should think about your game from a different vision- from a supporter's or other person's vision. That's where we are lacking in.

But I think with Dave and Habibul working with this team- we won't win any matches like this. But the good news is both of them will leave shortly. thus the future is bright.

After today it's not difficult to understand why we loose too many one dayers. No wonder we lost to Ireland in the WC. Even Ireland would have gone for the win today.

BonBon
May 22, 2007, 11:32 AM
You just dont get it..even after todays event-do you? Do you think we dont know the stats?

For those of you who hate Basher, here are some stats:
Year/Season Ave
2000/2001 44.2
2001/2002 36.5
2002/2003 18.9
2003 50.1
2003/2004 30.7
2004/2005 25.7
2005/2006 37.6


So don't write him off just yet!

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Sauron
May 22, 2007, 11:38 AM
Well, winning was virtually impossible. We could have gone for it. Unfortunately we decided to stay back, but that does not discredit Bangladesh's achievement after playing a test after 13 months.

Mashrafe and Shahadat played with hearts took 9 wickets between them.

Rafiq returned with 4 wickets in the match.

Mashrafe made the impossible possible by his 79 off 91 balls, Javed got a good half century.

Rajin played a good innings and Bashar is also back in business with some runs.

These are all positives from this Test.

Except first innings batting debacle, we played neck to neck to mighty Indians for most part of the match. That's great achievement considering our test record.

Let time come slowly, we will have more opportunities and hopefully we will bem ore habituated with such situations and will go for win.

now calm down and let's prepare for the second Test.

"impossible" ... "mighty indians" ... "calm down" ... you are a piece of work, you know. Keep these kind of losing mentality to yourself. You are obviously calm about it - and keep it that way. Do not tell me to calm down. If you can't get out of your mediocrity-loving stupor - that's fine. Do not drag everyone into it.

I am sure that Bashar is thinking the same way as you. I am also sure that Mashrafee isn't thinking like you. And therein lies our hope.

srabbee
May 22, 2007, 11:52 AM
It is very hard to score over 220 on a 5th day in Test, given the South Asian conditions. Those who think in a test match, on its 5th day, it is very easy to score 5.8 per over, they need some very serious mentoring on test cricket.

Tigers_eye
May 22, 2007, 11:57 AM
250 of 43 with 10 wickets. RRR 5.81 hard.
200 of 34 with 9 wickets is easier than the hard since less overs left.. RRR 5.88.
177 of 27 overs with 9 wickets. RRR 6.55 My hopes were building with the line up we have.

That is when we needed to press and we didn't.

DJ Sahastra
May 22, 2007, 12:16 PM
Ashraful, Sakib, Pilot, Mashrafe still to come and Omar still there and looking Solid -
There was no danger of BD losing - not until you were atleast 4 wickets down and still had more than 20 overs to play. With only about 30 overs to play out survive on a flat-track and against an oppnent whose primary match-winner bowler was down with flu, a draw for you was always on the card.

Saying "We managed a draw" is very misleading, i would say. Surely gives Team-India some consolatory brownie points going into second Test - when they deserved none.

cricket_dorshok
May 22, 2007, 01:01 PM
Ashraful, Sakib, Pilot, Mashrafe still to come and Omar still there and looking Solid -
There was no danger of BD losing - not until you were atleast 4 wickets down and still had more than 20 overs to play. With only about 30 overs to play out survive on a flat-track and against an oppnent whose primary match-winner bowler was down with flu, a draw for you was always on the card.

Saying "We managed a draw" is very misleading, i would say. Surely gives Team-India some consolatory brownie points going into second Test - when they deserved none.
But our beloved Haba and his supporter thought otherway.

cricket_dorshok
May 22, 2007, 01:03 PM
"impossible" ... "mighty indians" ... "calm down" ... you are a piece of work, you know. Keep these kind of losing mentality to yourself. You are obviously calm about it - and keep it that way. Do not tell me to calm down. If you can't get out of your mediocrity-loving stupor - that's fine. Do not drag everyone into it.

I am sure that Bashar is thinking the same way as you. I am also sure that Mashrafee isn't thinking like you. And therein lies our hope.
ditto

Miraz
May 22, 2007, 01:21 PM
"impossible" ... "mighty indians" ... "calm down" ... you are a piece of work, you know. Keep these kind of losing mentality to yourself. You are obviously calm about it - and keep it that way. Do not tell me to calm down. If you can't get out of your mediocrity-loving stupor - that's fine. Do not drag everyone into it.

I am sure that Bashar is thinking the same way as you. I am also sure that Mashrafee isn't thinking like you. And therein lies our hope.

Sauron, have you forgot to write anything without personal attack? Very mediocre attitude, now a days. This is not the old Sauron that I used to know.

Now a days, taking phrase "out of context" is becoming increasingly favorite to you.
You weren't here when we shared the every ball by ball excitement in the match thread. You haven't seen our agony, frustration and anger during the match, and now suddenly jumped into conclusion taking two words completely out of context. Poor taste, to say the least.

Look at my (and other members posts) in the match thread before talking about me and what led me to open the thread.

We were so frustrated and angry at the team managements decision to stay back, we were swearing and venting the anguish, at that time we needed a thread to look at the positives, which we obviously forgot. And "calm down" was intended to those fellow members, and definitely not to you. I believe, all of them understood my motto and you will understand (I have every doubt in it), if you look at the first few posts.

Looking at post #34 might help.

Indians are much stronger team in Test compared to ODI, in ODI any team can win in their day, Test is a different ball game and drawing against India is something creditable. Calling Indians "mighty" in Tests, is nothing blasphemous.

And few more for other members to clarify my personal vision about team management's approach

There you go.

"Timid Bangladesh settle for draw in first Test.

That will be the headline of our bulletin today.

This is a moral victory for Rahul Dravid and co.

They were brave enough to make the game alive, we are still so timid we haven't even tried it.

We had a good start, why not send Mashrafe or Ashraful up-front, if they fail, we had plenty of batting to come, we could have easily settled for a draw considering amount of over left.

We took no initiative after Dravid opened up the game.

Ian,
I understand your point. The point I differ is we always wanted to shut the shop, never really tried to make a game out of it.

We will have opportunities in future, I have no doubt in that. But it was a real opportunity after a long time.

Winning was very unlikely, having said that, I am really saddened by the attitude shown. We are not gonna learn in this way.

If you never attempt, you will never gain anything.

There are definitely lot more.

gatekeeper
May 22, 2007, 01:33 PM
I think there were a few positives we can take form this game a lot of negative too. I think its time we realized that we have a good and balanced bowling attack. A pair of very good fast bowler, something that is a rariry in the subcontinent team (except off course Pakistan), a decent spin attack.

Negative and it is a huge and pesistant negative. THERE SRE NO BATSMEN IN THE TEAM.

Russell2k7
May 22, 2007, 01:38 PM
The mentality can be accepted this time but not in the next matches. Good tho they didnt loose wickets much 104 for 2. Not bad. I think thou had Nafees stayed in the crease story could have been different.
And yeah Rahul Dravid is a awesome captain and a player.

Ahmed_B
May 22, 2007, 01:38 PM
You just dont get it..even after todays event-do you? Do you think we dont know the stats?
So.. are you proposing to drop Bashar from the Test squad even if his averages are around 40 in Tests in 2007?

Just a question out of extreme curiosity... :)

Fazal
May 22, 2007, 01:43 PM
So.. are you proposing to drop Bashar from the Test squad even if his averages are around 40 in Tests in 2007?

Just a question out of extreme curiosity... :)

Isn't his average for 2007 Test (s0 far) is 19? Or he played another test at the begining of the year?

CTazim
May 22, 2007, 01:51 PM
Isn't his average for 2007 Test (s0 far) is 19? Or he played another test at the begining of the year?

I think dissent is a very healthy option in a fan forum.. And we need to encourage that but we have to be equally healthy to handle it.. Just a thought. So far we are doing good in handling it. Let us keep it that way ;) ;) ;)

Ahmed_B
May 22, 2007, 01:52 PM
Naa.... am not talking about the first BD-IND test... I am actually talking about his averages after playing several tests in 2007.

The question to bobbon still remains.... :)

Aritro
May 22, 2007, 02:02 PM
I think the point is that some feel his faculties have declined to an extent that makes the prospect of him averaging 40, or anywhere near it, fairly well impossible.

Personally I don't mind him being selected in the Test team until there's enough evidence to show he's not up to it.

I just want him to hand over the bloody captaincy.

BonBon
May 22, 2007, 02:08 PM
Naa.... am not talking about the first BD-IND test... I am actually talking about his averages after playing several tests in 2007.

The question to bobbon still remains.... :)

The answer is Yes. I actually didnt have his bad batting spell in mind..but he is a bad blood amidst the new generation. I ask you - what type of captain sends in Rajin at that time? Why did they stop scoring after 10 overs? Why not unleash Ashraful and then plug the door if needed with Rajin. I can ask many other questions on his cowardly attitude..but I guess you already know about those.

A captain may go through bad patch..no body minds. But a horrible captain has no place. What do you do with the stats? Hang them on the wall?

Ahmed_B
May 22, 2007, 02:17 PM
Interesting reply!
BTW... the question was about him being in the team actually.. not about him being the captain. :)

reyme
May 22, 2007, 02:41 PM
We may not like Bashar in ODIs, IMO, he should drop Captaincy for the best interest of the team and only play as a batsman in Tests.
For ODIs, Adios Bashar.

Ditto. Bashar as a captain is nothing but disaster. If he continues to be arrorant to hold onto his captaincy post, he will disappear from even test cricket, sooner than he expected.

Sauron
May 22, 2007, 02:42 PM
Sauron, have you forgot to write anything without personal attack? Very mediocre attitude, now a days. This is not the old Sauron that I used to know.

Miraz, I have always used personal attacks (ask Chinaman) but did not need to use it against you before now a days. Additionally, I don't know which old Sauron that you used to know, but this is the new Sauron talking, not the old Sauron.

Anyway, kidding aside, let's address couple of things -

You haven't seen our agony, frustration and anger during the match, and now suddenly jumped into conclusion taking two words completely out of context. Poor taste, to say the least.


May be you are better at anger management. But after spending the whole night awake and then having to sleep in the car in office parking lot for 2 hours before getting into work (after two sleepless nights) and now having to read your pacifist posts and match analysis - you should see my anger, frustration and agony.

I feel like kicking someone's teeth out. Not you, of course. Some one who actually had something to do with this result. But I won't say whom - coz that would be personal attack.


Indians are much stronger team in Test compared to ODI, in ODI any team can win in their day, Test is a different ball game and drawing against India is something creditable. Calling Indians "mighty" in Tests, is nothing blasphemous.


You can call indians "mighty" all you want. The issue is Ha Ba treated the indian team as "mighty" indians.

Rahul Dravid had the guts to throw a challenge our way. But we were too meek to accept it. Just this attitude alone makes India a great team.

Bashar made Bangladesh look weak and fearful. While we know that Ha Ba's attitude is not shared by the young ones in the team, it doesn't matter because now the whole team has been smeared by this gutless response to a gutsy challenge by India.

Just like Ha Ba makes the whole team look meek and weak, your pacifist posts and analysis makes the BC members / fans look gutless and mindless. I can say unequivocally that your match "reports" and "analyses" and posts do not resonate with my thoughts at all. I can only speak for myself - I will let others speak their minds.

If you were a run-of-the-mill member like me, or even a more accomplished contributor with front page articles (opinions), I wouldn't be so affected. But you are representing our front page. You are supposedly summarizing what the BD fans are thinking. And you are misrepresenting us to the outside world. If you were just another member, I wouldn't even argue with you about your "love and respect" for Bashar - it's not my job to wake you up.

You may feel like being attacked personally. But it's not you, it's the BC editor that I am criticizing. Since you two are the same person, it may feel like personal attack.

Anyway, I digressed.

Even if we win the next test match (unlikely), the pain and shame of our gutless decision to give up fight will remain for some time.

Sauron
May 22, 2007, 02:45 PM
Personally I don't mind him being selected in the Test team until there's enough evidence to show he's not up to it.

I just want him to hand over the bloody captaincy.

I totally agree. If he performs with the Bat then give Ha Ba all the chance he deserves. But remove him from captaincy before he further damages the postive attitudes of the young players.

Mike
May 22, 2007, 02:55 PM
"impossible" ... "mighty indians" ... "calm down" ... you are a piece of work, you know. Keep these kind of losing mentality to yourself. You are obviously calm about it - and keep it that way. Do not tell me to calm down. If you can't get out of your mediocrity-loving stupor - that's fine. Do not drag everyone into it.

I am sure that Bashar is thinking the same way as you. I am also sure that Mashrafee isn't thinking like you. And therein lies our hope.

Sauron, very well said. I think most of the BC members will agree with you.

Mike
May 22, 2007, 03:01 PM
If you were a run-of-the-mill member like me, or even a more accomplished contributor with front page articles (opinions), I wouldn't be so affected. But you are representing our front page. You are supposedly summarizing what the BD fans are thinking. And you are misrepresenting us to the outside world. If you were just another member, I wouldn't even argue with you about your "love and respect" for Bashar - it's not my job to wake you up.

You may feel like being attacked personally. But it's not you, it's the BC editor that I am criticizing. Since you two are the same person, it may feel like personal attack.

Anyway, I digressed.

Even if we win the next test match (unlikely), the pain and shame of our gutless decision to give up fight will remain for some time.

Excellent!! Very well said.

kmasum
May 22, 2007, 03:11 PM
our coach was scared of losing at the end... i guess he has no faith in our team..its time for us to a get a better coach.. dav u did ur part part buddy; its time for us to move on.... i just dont understand why rajen? why ?

Murad
May 22, 2007, 03:11 PM
Miraz bhai.. one small correction.. Mash & Rajib took 10 wickets..

guys be happy with what you got...

just think about the 2nd test.. hopefully we can manage a win or draw..

Miraz
May 22, 2007, 03:17 PM
May be you are better at anger management. But after spending the whole night awake and then having to sleep in the car in office parking lot for 2 hours before getting into work (after two sleepless nights) and now having to read your pacifist posts and match analysis - you should see my anger, frustration and agony.

Just like Ha Ba makes the whole team look meek and weak, your pacifist posts and analysis makes the BC members / fans look gutless and mindless. I can say unequivocally that your match "reports" and "analyses" and posts do not resonate with my thoughts at all. I can only speak for myself - I will let others speak their minds.

If you were a run-of-the-mill member like me, or even a more accomplished contributor with front page articles (opinions), I wouldn't be so affected. But you are representing our front page. You are supposedly summarizing what the BD fans are thinking. And you are misrepresenting us to the outside world. If you were just another member, I wouldn't even argue with you about your "love and respect" for Bashar - it's not my job to wake you up.

You may feel like being attacked personally. But it's not you, it's the BC editor that I am criticizing. Since you two are the same person, it may feel like personal attack.



Sauron, thanks for your post.

Apart from the bulletin during the world cup in which I supported Bashar as the captain Bangladesh team (the bulletin was taken out of context and the issue was blown out of proportion, I was supporting the captain during a crucial world cup and not the person Bashar), can you please find a single tour bulletin or article in which I supported Bashar?

I am asking him to say good bye to ODI for quite long time and drop captaincy for the best interest of the team. I don't know where you have found my "love and respect" for Bashar in the tour bulletins or articles or columns. If you take one tour bulletin out of about 70 published, that's injustice to me.

Now, it's very easy for you to say anything and everything and as a member I also vent my frustrations and angers in the forum posts. My "your pacifist posts and analysis makes the BC members / fans look gutless and mindless", wow quite a strong comment. Fine, I am pacifist in my posts and analysis? in which preview, analysis or bulletin I have shown my "pacifist" attitude? Can you find out a single front page item which meets such criteria? I will step down from my post immediately.

I sincerely apologise to every BC member if my efforts make them look gutless and mindless.

Sauron, I am doing a PhD, waking up at 4 AM after going to sleep around 1 AM, watching the match up to around 1 PM and then going to lab with my question mark in the face of supervisor, staying there up to 9 -10 PM and within this time writing the match reports/analysis and tour bulletins are never easy. And you know, it's all passion and absolutely voluntary.

I have two lovely kids, I have to find some time for them within this busy schedule. My anger, frustration and agony after such a meek show is nothing less than yours.

Anyway, if BC members agree with you like Mike did just now. "My pacifist posts and analysis makes the BC members / fans look gutless and mindless", I will step down from the post with immediate effect.

I am a positive man and I believe that is reflected in my posts and analysis or bulletins, I am sorry if that does not match with yours. I will better enjoy BC as a member.

CTazim
May 22, 2007, 03:59 PM
All very valid points. People are forgetting India and the light factor here.

Actually, they account for the bad light. And the mandatory 15 overs on the last day is in the rule book. Please take a moment to read the rule book.

This goes for the moderators TinTin etc.

sensible
May 22, 2007, 04:17 PM
I don't agree that Dravid had only one intention in mind when he declared the innings. He didn't have a choice but to declare. With one end open (no recognized bat), he knew the chance of scoring a lot of runs was slim to none. I'll give him credit for trying to get some wickets before lunch. But he knew very well that his team is safe (that they won't lose the test in any way) when he declared. He has enough experience to know that to chase a target of 250 on the 5th day for Bangladeshi batting is nearly impossible, especially after what we have shown in the first innings. The same thing happened in the 1st innings. He declared because he didn't have a choice.

CTazim
May 22, 2007, 04:25 PM
Miraz I do not personally have a problem with you as I hardly know you. But as Souran et al. have said that you represent www.banglacricket.com (http://www.banglacricket.com) a fan site not
www.tigercricket.com (http://www.tigercricket.com) the official site for BCB or for that matter
www.cricketworld.com (http://www.cricketworld.com) for which you are the editor for the Bangladesh section. Since you wear both hats. My constructive suggestion would be to be cognizant of the psyche of the bangladesh fans when you are representing them as the editor of www.banglacricket.com (http://www.banglacricket.com). Now, if your personal commitments make it difficult to run the show that is a totally different story.

However, I think www.banglacricket.com (http://www.banglacricket.com) needs to have different points of view represented including that of Miraz's.

That is only possible if we can have point-counter point type of section on Home page. Again that is a suggestion that banglacricket.com can take to heart.



Like many I had been part of the staff as well as a member. Sometimes I myself have vented extremely inappropriately and have been warned- I sometime wish I didnot send those childish posts as it did not reflect who I am -personally and professionally. But remember Zidane also had a bad day and sometimes out of passion you write or due to a sense of a bigger commitment do not write the things you should not have written or should have written respectively.

For most part you are doing a great job -keep it up! But please try to be cognizant of this eccentric web site. In response to my attacks on Dav Whamore you have countered, albeit a bit condescending way that I did not have any knowledge of cricket. My point was not about the capability of Dav Whatmore (DW) as a coach- my point was to criticize Dav's recent actions as well as whether he was the man to take us to the next level. When I stated that Gordon Greenidge (GG) was instrumental at getting us ICC championship, a definite pre-requisite, along with other factors for our gaining Test status, you reacted as though I did not know what I was talking about and you reacted as though I was comparing GG with DW -when nothing could be further from the truth. My point was we need to follow contained emotion when we display gratitude and be objective - otherwise, we will always pay more for any sort of service - either monetarily or emotionally.

On a lighter note as far as I am concerned, I personally think that you have legitimate point about keeping Bashar in the first playing 11 for test but he does not have the body language,capability to be a captain. So he should be immediately stripped of the captaincy right after the 2nd test. For everyone, change management is necessary and abrupt decisions immediately dropping him altogether may be detremental for the team. But let this series be a litmus test for him and the away series in Sri-Lanka (test only and that too as a regular player only).


Sauron, thanks for your post.

Apart from the bulletin during the world cup in which I supported Bashar as the captain Bangladesh team (the bulletin was taken out of context and the issue was blown out of proportion, I was supporting the captain during a crucial world cup and not the person Bashar), can you please find a single tour bulletin or article in which I supported Bashar?

I am asking him to say good bye to ODI for quite long time and drop captaincy for the best interest of the team. I don't know where you have found my "love and respect" for Bashar in the tour bulletins or articles or columns. If you take one tour bulletin out of about 70 published, that's injustice to me.

Now, it's very easy for you to say anything and everything and as a member I also vent my frustrations and angers in the forum posts. My "your pacifist posts and analysis makes the BC members / fans look gutless and mindless", wow quite a strong comment. Fine, I am pacifist in my posts and analysis? in which preview, analysis or bulletin I have shown my "pacifist" attitude? Can you find out a single front page item which meets such criteria? I will step down from my post immediately.

I sincerely apologise to every BC member if my efforts make them look gutless and mindless.

Sauron, I am doing a PhD, waking up at 4 AM after going to sleep around 1 AM, watching the match up to around 1 PM and then going to lab with my question mark in the face of supervisor, staying there up to 9 -10 PM and within this time writing the match reports/analysis and tour bulletins are never easy. And you know, it's all passion and absolutely voluntary.

I have two lovely kids, I have to find some time for them within this busy schedule. My anger, frustration and agony after such a meek show is nothing less than yours.

Anyway, if BC members agree with you like Mike did just now. "My pacifist posts and analysis makes the BC members / fans look gutless and mindless", I will step down from the post with immediate effect.

I am a positive man and I believe that is reflected in my posts and analysis or bulletins, I am sorry if that does not match with yours. I will better enjoy BC as a member.

Miraz
May 22, 2007, 04:36 PM
For most part you are doing a great job -keep it up! But please try to be cognizant of this eccentric web site. In response to my attacks on Dav Whamore you have countered, albeit a bit condescending way that I did not have any knowledge of cricket. My point was not about the capability of Dav Whatmore (DW) as a coach- my point was to criticize Dav's recent actions as well as whether he was the man to take us to the next level. When I stated that Gordon Greenidge (GG) was instrumental at getting us ICC championship, a definite pre-requisite, along with other factors for our gaining Test status, you reacted as though I did not know what I was talking about and you reacted as though I was comparing GG with DW -when nothing could be further from the truth. My point was we need to follow contained emotion when we display gratitude and be objective - otherwise, we will always pay more for any sort of service - either monetarily or emotionally.

.

CTazim, Thanks for your suggestions and post.

Now, when I post in the forum or make a counter argument, it has nothing to do with my role as BC editor. It's completely one member of BC is debating with another member of BC. As a member, I have every right to disagree with you. :)

So, your Dav Whatmore analogy is a bit appropriate here as it has nothing to do with the bulletins or analysis.

Anyway, thanks for your words.

CTazim
May 22, 2007, 04:44 PM
A suggestion would be that in the public forum you have a userid that does not say you are the BC editor etc. Then it makes it look like a level playing field. When you were the had of BC staff you have to be the representative of the fans. I meant You as a rhetoric way. It should be applicable for every BC staff. A suggestion to the board. Take care and good night. Getting late for soccer. So may have to respond later.. Take care and say high to the Queen for me.



CTazim, Thanks for your suggestions and post.

Now, when I post in the forum or make a counter argument, it has nothing to do with my role as BC editor. It's completely one member of BC is debating with another member of BC. As a member, I have every right to disagree with you. :)


So, your Dav Whatmore analogy is a bit appropriate here as it has nothing to do with the bulletins or analysis.

Anyway, thanks for your words.

BonBon
May 22, 2007, 05:17 PM
Will you guyz pls cool down? Its OVER!! Chill!! Appreciate the enthusaism of a cricket lover and writer.. stop this pls

Xavier
May 22, 2007, 05:41 PM
Hello mates!

I couldn't see the match, only checked the score on cricinfo and now had a look at this thread... I think this rainy-draw is still a good result though some of you would have preferred a more audacious batting in the final overs... but the series is open and I hope that if your batsmen will be performing well in next Test maybe a win could be possible... another draw would be OK too, wouldn't it?
Cheers... forza Bangladesh!:)

cricket_pagol
May 22, 2007, 05:43 PM
Now, when I post in the forum or make a counter argument, it has nothing to do with my role as BC editor. It's completely one member of BC is debating with another member of BC. As a member, I have every right to disagree with you. :)



I agree 100%

Navarene
May 22, 2007, 08:03 PM
Miraz, if you go back four years when we used to loss regardless match type (odi or test) and opponents (Kenya or Australia), you will get the same positive findings (like someone's 50, someone's 3/4 wkts, someone's brilliant fielding etc. etc.). We are now at different level. The days of positive findings are over. Now the days for win or loss.
We should not encourage this pathetic losser mentality. We know we have a big problem lossing too many wkts in the begining. But today we had a decent start. we scored 50 runs just from 9.2 overs and 1 wicket. Was not a perfect platform to chase down a total of 250 in 43 overs? If not, what do we need to win a match?
You put the words right from my mouth!

Navarene
May 22, 2007, 08:26 PM
"impossible" ... "mighty indians" ... "calm down" ... you are a piece of work, you know. Keep these kind of losing mentality to yourself. You are obviously calm about it - and keep it that way. Do not tell me to calm down. If you can't get out of your mediocrity-loving stupor - that's fine. Do not drag everyone into it.

I am sure that Bashar is thinking the same way as you. I am also sure that Mashrafee isn't thinking like you. And therein lies our hope.
:up: :up:

Navarene
May 22, 2007, 08:40 PM
It is very hard to score over 220 on a 5th day in Test, given the South Asian conditions. Those who think in a test match, on its 5th day, it is very easy to score 5.8 per over, they need some very serious mentoring on test cricket.
I would accept your logic if this test had a full 5 days play. On day 5 in a subcontinent wicket it is a real challange to bat since we find somuch crack on the wicket which helps the spinners to capitalize the condition, as there are uneven bounce and the ball doesnt come right to the bat.

But seems like youre oblivious enough to get the fact that only 8 sessions (in 3 days) out of 15 were being played and the wicket was still batting friendly. Even the Indian captain has mentioned it on the post play interview.

I, for once, and always think that Bashar and co should have given a try for a win. At least the chance of losing the match after first 10 overs (48/1) would have been meek and almost a miracle...so why not be a brave heart and give a try with all throttle?

One World
May 22, 2007, 09:48 PM
It was a test match where all credit goes to Mashrafe -- making him a test allrounder and Shahadat is growing as well.

Sauron
May 25, 2007, 12:18 PM
Let time come slowly, we will have more opportunities and hopefully we will bem ore habituated with such situations and will go for win.

now calm down and let's prepare for the second Test.

Now do you understand why we can't / shouldn't calm down? These kinds of opportunities do not present themselves very often. If BD went for it in the first test something may have happened - granted it wasn't a given, but no harm in trying.

The second test is almost out of hand already ... unless our batsmen perform a miracle by sticking to the wicket.

In the first test, win was the best possible result and draw was almost a given. But in the second test now a draw looks like the best possible result at this point - but not plausible.

Sauron
May 26, 2007, 12:57 PM
no follow up , Miraz ...

Fazal
May 26, 2007, 01:09 PM
no follow up , Miraz ...

I think he is rather busy with how to tackle the up comming follow-on.

cricman
May 27, 2007, 07:13 AM
I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but all you had to do was give Ash and Masri a Chance! I know they could have been out for a first ball duck but they could have done what they did today.

Ash Scored 67 of 8 overs and Masri scored 70 off 11 overs. We still may have fell short but I hope DW got his first class flight to Mumbai and puts Haba in luggage compartment!

Shaan
May 27, 2007, 07:26 AM
dukkho ektai test match amra kheltachi ekdiner stylee.. look at our run rate in todays innings it is more than 5 per over.. ar oneday kheli test stylee....

TripleR
June 16, 2007, 07:48 AM
dukkho ektai test match amra kheltachi ekdiner stylee.. look at our run rate in todays innings it is more than 5 per over.. ar oneday kheli test stylee....

Hmm.....so true.:o
I think they should give up playing test & concentrate more on ODI's......they can play test when they'll at last master ODI.:-D

Sohel
June 16, 2007, 08:45 AM
this was one of the three things that caused Dav's downfall. the third thing being my 80-year old grandma's boddowa that also involved HaBa.

damalChele
June 16, 2007, 09:12 AM
Char din koshto koira tire aisha tori dubano tai dukkho lage

I sure hope most of the BD supporters are not like you. Test cricket is a different ball game entirely. Scoring 270 something off 42/44 overs is a possible task by all means. There is a fine line between playing like pagol-chagol and playing sensibly. IF bd were to go for the win then no doubt they would have lost all the wickets and ended up with empty handed. Why say NO DOUBT? Because odds are against us. When was the last time we successfully chased a big total? Our highest score was 265 playing 50 overs chasing SR's 300+. Its a huge gamble. The possibilities of us losing the game were much greater. I think the management did the right thing, not playing for the crowd but playing for national pride.

Even you would say, nai mamar chey kana mama bhalo.