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cricman
May 23, 2007, 07:35 AM
If any one has the Issue and would like to Share with us I'd like to see what it wrote the Hindu only talks about Raina and KP and what it had to say about them.


The latest issue of the 'Wisden Cricketer' magazine clubs Raina with Australians batsman Michael Clarke, paceman Shaun Tait, all-rounder Shane Watson, England batsman Kevin Pietersen, Pakistan's fast medium seamer Mohammad Asif, Sri Lanka's fast bowler Lasith Malinga, West Indian all-rounder Dwayne Bravo, New Zealand batsman Ross Taylor and Bangladesh vice captain Mohammad Ashraful as the players who will define cricket's next decade.

[the rest of the article talks about Raina and KP]
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/007200705231754.htm


On Ashraful, it said the young cricketer was the star Bangladeshi player in the World Cup.
"Of all the young Bangladesh stars to rise at the World Cup Asraful's could twinkle brightest. Things went quiet for a while after he became Test cricket's youngest centurion in 2001 -- on debut against Murali, no less -- but his 87 against South Africa in Guyana was full of inventive cheek. The scoop over fine-leg might soon need to be patented." http://cricket.indiatimes.com/Raina_to_define_cricket_in_next_decade/articleshow/2069630.cms

Rabz
May 23, 2007, 07:42 AM
Wow!!
Sounds like a good news..
But i guess they are underestimating the power of our Mashree.

He would be power to reckon with in the upcoming days.

BanCricFan
May 23, 2007, 08:25 AM
Wow!!
Sounds like a good news..
But i guess they are underestimating the power of our Mashree.

He would be power to reckon with in the upcoming days.

Absolutely! You can also add Saqibul Hasan to this.

I'm still hopefull about Alok Kapali!

Fortuner
May 23, 2007, 08:25 AM
We always knew Ash would b gr8. Even b4 he came in.So, not really suprised by Wisden. Hope Ash sees this and feels more confident and yes strts to use his head well out there in the pitch as thats the only place he lacks. He gotta do the right thing rite time. His talent is gr8.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 08:30 AM
We always knew Ash would b gr8.

Graeme Hick also 'would' be great and never came close.

Mark Ramprakash was an absolutely superb stroke-player and he never came close to being great either.

Unless Ashraful has a very stern word with himself, he won't even be playing for Bangladesh in 10 years never mind being one of the best players in the world.

There's been some indications lately that he's maturing, but even then he threw his wicket away stupidly on two occasions in the World Cup.

MysoreHuli
May 23, 2007, 08:35 AM
These things are unecessary pressure on the cricketers. From now on the fans will expect more than what they can deliver.

betaar
May 23, 2007, 08:45 AM
I would rather wait for this kind of sensational statement after the goods are delivered even though positive recognitions sometimes could do wonder to someone's confidence and his ability.

sadi
May 23, 2007, 08:45 AM
Other than Raina, every other name makes sense. I think Raina is kinda over-rated.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 09:43 AM
i'll add mash to that list if he can stay healthy. also shoaib malik and imran nazir from pak... dhoni, piyush chawla and manoj tiwari from india... darren powell fro WI... ABD from SA... bopara from england... the young lankans like tharanga and chamara de silva are already making an impact. raina shouldn't be there... but then again... :D

Arnab
May 23, 2007, 09:49 AM
I woulda picked Tamim Iqbal.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 09:57 AM
I woulda picked Tamim Iqbal.

talent-wise, definitely!!!

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 10:00 AM
talent-wise, definitely!!!

Talent-wise my choices are Ashraful, Aftab and Mortaza

But my realistic predictions from this team are Mortaza and Mushfiq. Even when he was 16, McInnes claimed Mushfiq had the most professional approach to the game out of any player in Bangladesh.

He's not short on talent either.

WarWolf
May 23, 2007, 10:12 AM
I woulda picked Tamim Iqbal.

Ashraful, Mashrafee, Saqib and Tamim would be greats from bangladesh. After 10 years each of them will have new definitions of cricket in their own way.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 10:14 AM
Talent-wise my choices are Ashraful, Aftab and Mortaza

But my realistic predictions from this team are Mortaza and Mushfiq. Even when he was 16, McInnes claimed Mushfiq had the most professional approach to the game out of any player in Bangladesh.

He's not short on talent either.

i see your point. i'm still awestruck by tamim's ability to see the ball as early as he does and that outrageous hand-eye coordination, rare qualities that promise a lot. i pray that he gets all the support so than he has a better chance to deliver on that promise. my gut tells me that he will in ODI cricket. ... and looking at his domestic performances, i'm pretty optimistic about his ability to learn and develop the temperament necessary to play test cricket... albeit more like jayasuriya than jayawerdena.

i agree with you about mushi, just hope that he learns to be a better keeper as fast as he can, and hope that aftab finds a way to prove some of us wrong in both forms of the game... :flag:

allrounder
May 23, 2007, 10:16 AM
What about Ross Taylor? he was a flop.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 10:22 AM
What about Ross Taylor? he was a flop.

just give him the time his talent desrves bro... he's awesome. controlled aggression and the natural ability to read the bowlers early, he's something else... this is turning into an international cricket thread... :-|

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 10:24 AM
i see your point. i'm still awestruck by tamim's ability to see the ball as early as he does and that outrageous hand-eye coordination, rare qualities that promise a lot. i pray that he gets all the support so than he has a better chance to deliver on that promise. my gut tell me that he will in ODI cricket. ... and looking at his domestic performances, i'm pretty optimistic about his ability to learn and develop the temperament necessary to play test cricket... albeit more like jayasuriya than jayawerdena.

i agree with you about mushi, just hope that he learns to be a better keeper as fast as he can, and hope that aftab finds a way to prove some of us wrong in both forms of the game... :flag:

As early as he sees it, his technique doesn't even compare to the ones that Ashraful and Aftab have.

In addition to his difficulties with the back-foot drive, and the way he flaps his bat at anything outside off stump, he can't pull the ball or play off his pads. In fact, he'll often completely misses his flicks and glances to the legside and that makes him a candidate for LBWs.

That said, the other two have 3 years on him (assuming his offical age is accurate), so he may well have sorted all those things out by then. Defintely has the talent.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 10:25 AM
just give him the time his talent desrves bro... he's awesome. controlled aggression and the natural ability to read the bowlers early, he's something else... this is turning into an international cricket thread... :-|

Agreed. Taylor is quality.

I'm also curious to have another look at that lad Pollard from the West Indies.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 10:27 AM
tamim's got issues with shot selction more than anything else. he plays all the shots well enough in domestic cricket... the more we see him, the more we'll know what we have here. arnab's spot on about him... :)

cricket_pagol
May 23, 2007, 10:29 AM
When ashraful is on song he is such a treat to watch... i hope he becomes consistent and realize his potential. Mashrafee is another guy. All the youngsters coming in the team are amazing!!!

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 10:31 AM
Agreed. Taylor is quality.

I'm also curious to have another look at that lad Pollard from the West Indies.

too early to tell. i'd like to see our caribbean bros focus more on the bowling. they should try powell, taylor, edwards and lawson together and find that genuine spinner in guaya or trinidad somewhere. sarwan, gayle, samuels, chanderpaul and maybe even ganga can be quite a handful if they decide to deliver... i like ramdin too, and bravo's there always...

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 10:34 AM
too early to tell. i'd like to see our caribbean bros focus more on the bowling. they should try powell, taylor, edwards and lawson together and find that genuine spinner in guaya or trinidad somewhere. sarwan, gayle, samuels, chanderpaul and maybe even ganga can be quite a handful if they decide to deliver...

Lawson would be in the team if he wasn't made of glass. Has had non-stop injuries recently, in addition to all the fuss about his dodgy action.

Should be back in the team soonish.

Never heard of this genuine spinner, but if one exists they'd do well to bring him in and ship Bravo out as soon as possible. Lawson can replace Collymore.

Powell, Taylor, Lawson + a decent spinner will trouble most teams.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 10:35 AM
tamim's got issues with shot selction more than anything else. he plays all the shots well enough in domestic cricket...

Does he?

Good sign then. I just assumed he didn't have them.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 10:38 AM
Never heard of this genuine spinner ... Powell, Taylor, Lawson + a decent spinner will trouble most teams.

nobody has, but i'm sure he's out there somewhere... damn right bro :)

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 10:45 AM
Ahh, you were speaking hypothetically.

Gotcha.

rah
May 23, 2007, 11:21 AM
gr8 news but this is jus goin to be unnecesary pressure for ash

Fortuner
May 23, 2007, 12:30 PM
Graeme Hick also 'would' be great and never came close.

Mark Ramprakash was an absolutely superb stroke-player and he never came close to being great either.

Unless Ashraful has a very stern word with himself, he won't even be playing for Bangladesh in 10 years never mind being one of the best players in the world.

There's been some indications lately that he's maturing, but even then he threw his wicket away stupidly on two occasions in the World Cup.

u r rite but we all know something...bcb want to keep ash and we all fans want to keep him no matter what coz he is the best we have. he is maturing but probz is out there he doesnt use his head.bashi paddle sweep khela aj kal..he needs to settle well...Inshallah he will do well..

BD-Shardul
May 23, 2007, 12:35 PM
I highly doubt. Ash still throws his wicket. Talent alone cannot do anything. Some people are saying that Ash should be given time. He has been playing int'l cricket for seven years. Isn't it enough? Pakistan-Sri Lanka cricket teame to dekhi bazid khan, akmal, tharanga, Malinga, jodu-modu jei ashe century-half century kore, wicket pai. At least they maintain average above 30.

I think the following players (only from subcontinent) will define cricket in the next decade:

Mashrafe Mortaza (BAN)
Shakib Al Hasan (BAN)
Upul Tharanga (SL)
Lasith Malinga (SL)
Mohammad Asif (PAK)
Yaseer Hamid (PAK)

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 01:04 PM
I highly doubt. Ash still throws his wicket. Talent alone cannot do anything. Some people are saying that Ash should be given time. He has been playing int'l cricket for seven years. Isn't it enough? Pakistan-Sri Lanka cricket teame to dekhi bazid khan, akmal, tharanga, Malinga, jodu-modu jei ashe century-half century kore, wicket pai. At least they maintain average above 30.

bro... i really think ash has turned a corner, and doesn't throw his wicket away the way he used to. he came in too late in the first ODI and had to take chances that late in the game, after driving the run rate when he came on to bat... again a little later than he should have. chawla's googlie that got him out in the last ODI was a thing of beauty, he even got tendy out with a similar delivery. ash's dismissal in the test had more to do with dinesh kartik's acrobatic catch taken ON THE WRONG SIDE than the questionable shot nevertheless middled on a pitch that gave a lot of unexpected bounce to the indian seamers. shakib also failed with the rest of the top order that day...

the jodu-moduz from indo-pak-lankan cricket have the benefit of better cricket infrastructure and more seasoned cricket cultures... i don't think the comparison's a fair one... it's not all about how many games we've played once you take a closer look... i think ash, mash and possibly also tamim will take us to the next level as dominating stars of world cricket, in both forms of the game...:)

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 01:12 PM
bro... i really think ash has turned a corner, and doesn't throw his wicket away the way he used to.

He played a completely idiotic flick shot straight down fine-leg's throat against Ireland. Many assigned the blame to Sumon for his reluctance to take quick singles, but that's nonsense. No one twisted Ashraful's arm into playing that shot.

He made his usual mistake of playing the pull-shot against England (or it may have been the West Indies) on a very bouncy wicket and popped it up in the air for an easy catch at mid-wicket. He used to hit them straight down the throat of the fielder on the square leg fence who was put there for that exact shot, so I guess this was at least progress. :rolleyes:

He also went out in the first innings of the last test trying to caress it between two fieldsman in a packed slip and gully region. Utterly pointless dismissal.

So yes, while he's played a couple of responsible innings and shown some maturity of late, I'll wait till I see a complete turnaround before I start getting too optimistic again.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 01:18 PM
time will tell... i feel we'll hear what we've waiting to ever since his arrival... ;)

shaad
May 23, 2007, 03:19 PM
We'll see. Mushfiq is the lad I have faith in. Bats coolly and professionally as the situation demands, has a good eye for setting the field, and encourages his colleagues. I see him as captainship material when he has enough experience and seniority.

Protic
May 23, 2007, 03:48 PM
MMM.. Where is West Indies's Nagamootoo ? lol.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 04:18 PM
MMM.. Where is West Indies's Nagamootoo ? lol.

i think he's chillin' wid laksmipati ballaji somewhere...

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 04:25 PM
Dave Mohammed is the ultimate solution.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 04:32 PM
Dave Mohammed is the ultimate solution.

he's been spotted with sanwar hossein around bashabo...

Timtim
May 23, 2007, 07:19 PM
Not trying to take credit away from Ash...but street crickets in bangladesh have always been doing that scoop.

I remember back in 1999-2000 when I was still in Bangladesh, we used to live in a pretty quiet colony in Chittagong. We would play in the streets everyday, and you could only hit straight ahead as there were houses on the left and right. This buddy of mine used to punish every wide balls pitched to the leg (sometimes even a slow good line ball) to straight back..and everyone caught on soon after.

But props to Ash for trying it out in the highest level of the game ;)

P.Warner
June 25, 2007, 06:19 AM
The source is second hand but the following posting from BBC forum would be of interest to Bangladeshi cricket fans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A24144806

Young Mr Ashraful has been named as one of the 10 players to watch out for in the next decade. While he showed enormous potential in the recent world cup, I wonder if he can prove himself to be a consistent performer in all forms of the game. What do you think of the list?

the 10 picked were....

Kevin Pietersen
Shaun Tait
Shane Watson
Michael Clarke
Ross Taylor
Mohammed Ashraful
Mo Asif
Saurina Raina
Lasith Malinga
Dwayne Bravo

Sovik
June 25, 2007, 06:27 AM
and they also predicted nasser hussain will be a great leg spinner.

Electrequiem
June 25, 2007, 09:39 AM
Franky, Ashraful is overrated. Foolishly overrated.

And it's not ME speaking. It's the post-horrible match, heartbroken version of me talking.

Rumz_01
June 25, 2007, 09:51 AM
Franky, Ashraful is overrated. Foolishly overrated.

And it's not ME speaking. It's the post-horrible match, heartbroken version of me talking.

aww bless...:(

Dhruvo
August 8, 2007, 01:48 PM
Who is raina ?

AsifTheManRahman
August 8, 2007, 01:52 PM
Suresh Raina with Irfan Pathan, sheer timing on the part of the photographer :D
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:meSba0JZw7yD6M:http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060401/sp.jpg
To further answer your question, try cricinfo or google first before asking here :)

Dhruvo
August 8, 2007, 01:59 PM
Thanks asif bhaiya.