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Aritro
May 23, 2007, 07:55 AM
It's been so long since Mortaza had an extended injury lay-off that I was starting to forget the hopelessness that his absence used to bring on.

But say we were playing at a place like Perth where 3 pace bowlers are still a must, and we did happen to lose Mortaza to injury for the match, who would we turn to as the 3rd paceman behind Rajib and Rasel?

I really hope no one will suggest Baiysa because the thought of us having to rely on him still fills me up with dread. He seems to have learned how to bowl 5km faster than before, but still suffers from a complete inability to control his line and length. I remember a commentator pointing out during the Natwest series how he just seems to put the ball there and hope it lands in the right area. Nothing much has changed on that front.

I can't comment with too much authority on Talha Jubair and Mohammed Sharif because I haven't seen either of them bowl for years. However, I have to say that due to injury, their recent stats aren't too impressive. Furthermore, Talha has very rarely returned 3 or 4 wicket performances in his entire List A career.

But stats only tell half the story so I'll defer to the judgement of people who've actually seen them in the flesh in recent years.

But based on statistics alone, my suggestion is Mohammed Shahzada. Check out these numbers:

<table><tbody><tr><td>Season</td><td> </td><td>Balls</td><td>Mdns</td><td>Runs</td><td>Wkts</td><td>BB</td><td>Ave</td><td>5wI</td><td>10wM</td></tr> <tr><td>2003-04 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/2003-04_BDESH.html)</td><td>(Bangladesh)</td><td>1374</td><td>55</td><td>622</td><td>28</td><td>4-64</td><td>22.21 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>2004-05 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/2004-05_BDESH.html)</td><td>(Bangladesh)</td><td>1133</td><td>51</td><td>488</td><td>24</td><td>4-43</td><td>20.33 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>2004-05 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/2004-05_IND.html)</td><td>(India)</td><td>102</td><td>2</td><td>92</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>2005-06 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/2005-06_BDESH.html)</td><td>(Bangladesh)</td><td>795</td><td>35</td><td>382</td><td>14</td><td>5-81</td><td>27.28 </td><td>1</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>2006-07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/2006-07_BDESH.html)</td><td>(Bangladesh)</td><td>1512</td><td>64</td><td>676</td><td>44</td><td>7-95</td><td>15.36 </td><td>3</td><td>1</td></tr></tbody></table>
His stats from last season are phenomonal. That's 44 wickets at an average of 15 from just 8 matches on slow Bangladeshi pitches. Even Mortaza would struggle to produce a return like that. Insanely good numbers.

Also here's a couple of 18 year olds who are obviously too young to play for the Test team, but could eventually become regulars a few years down the track.

Dolar Mahmud

<table><tbody><tr><td>Season</td><td> </td><td>Balls</td><td>Mdns</td><td>Runs</td><td>Wkts</td><td>BB</td><td>Ave</td><td>5wI</td><td>10wM</td></tr> <tr><td>2004-05 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/2004-05_BDESH.html)</td><td>(Bangladesh)</td><td>805</td><td>25</td><td>438</td><td>15</td><td>3-46</td><td>29.20 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>2006-07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/2006-07_BDESH.html)</td><td>(Bangladesh)</td><td>723</td><td>29</td><td>384</td><td>17</td><td>5-44</td><td>22.58 </td><td>1</td><td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>
Dolar is still only 18 so it's far too early to tell. It's safe to say he's not quite ready for Test cricket yet though.

The other player that interested me was Mohammed Azim.

Mohammed Azim
<table><tbody><tr><td colspan="8"></td></tr> <tr><td>
</td><td>Balls</td><td>Mdns</td><td>Runs</td><td>Wkts</td><td>BB</td><td>Ave</td><td>5wI</td><td>10wM</td><td>SRate</td><td>Econ</td></tr> <tr><td>Overall</td><td>548</td><td>28</td><td>275</td><td>13</td><td>5-54</td><td>21.15 </td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>42.15 </td><td>3.01</td></tr></tbody></table>
That's 12 wickets in 3 matches and a wicket every 42 balls. From what I understand, he might be going to the next U/19s World Cup and he's already bowling 80mph and above. Obviously won't be figuring in the Test team any time soon though.

I'll be interested to hear people's suggestions.

I'd also really, really appreciate it if anyone who's seen Shahzada, Dolar or Azim could comment on what sort of bowlers they are in terms of style and pace.

Fortuner
May 23, 2007, 08:27 AM
No way Baisya again. he aint a gr8 bowelr. He is not tall enuff to intimidate batsman. i noe height is not evrything but sometimes it is.
nw ppl will strt talking bout Malcom Marshal who ws shrt but guys he was an exception.

Fortuner
May 23, 2007, 08:28 AM
Rakibul and some former guys talked bout Dollar being a gud bowler but then he aint a as much fast as mash or rajib. not so tall either.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 08:31 AM
No way Baisya again. he aint a gr8 bowelr. He is not tall enuff to intimidate batsman. i noe height is not evrything but sometimes it is.
nw ppl will strt talking bout Malcom Marshal who ws shrt but guys he was an exception.

I'm pretty sure Marshall was actually 5'10, so he was far from short at any rate.

Regardless, it's not Baisya's height that's the problem. It's everything else.

mali007
May 23, 2007, 08:33 AM
whats about mohammadullah. He was outstanding with the development team recently.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 08:37 AM
Mahmudullah:

<table><tbody><tr><td>Bowling</td><td>Balls</td><td>Mdns</td><td>Runs</td><td>Wkts</td><td>BB</td><td>Ave</td><td>5wI</td><td>10wM</td></tr> <tr><td>Bangladesh A in Sri Lanka 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/SL/2006-07_SL_Bangladesh_A_in_Sri_Lanka_2006-07.html)</td><td>270</td><td>1</td><td>170</td><td>1</td><td>1-42</td><td>170.00 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>Bangladesh A in Sri Lanka 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/SL/2006-07_SL_Bangladesh_A_in_Sri_Lanka_2006-07.html)</td><td>60</td><td>1</td><td>50</td><td>2</td><td>2-28</td><td>25.00 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>England A in Bangladesh 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/BDESH/2006-07_BDESH_England_A_in_Bangladesh_2006-07.html)</td><td>60</td><td>0</td><td>27</td><td>3</td><td>3-27</td><td>9.00 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>Ispahani Mirzapore Tea National Cricket League 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/BDESH/2006-07_BDESH_Ispahani_Mirzapore_Tea_National_Cricket_L eague_2006-07.html)</td><td>279</td><td>8</td><td>145</td><td>5</td><td>3-22</td><td>29.00 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>
Not setting the world on fire.

sadi
May 23, 2007, 08:43 AM
Shahzada is kinda short. I saw his picture once in DS and I think he is about 5'5 or 5'6 at best. He is not really that quick either.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 08:49 AM
Mahmudullah's Academy team performances vs Sri Lanka

First Match

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</td> <td>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> </tr> <tr height="19"> <td>
</td> <td bgcolor="#d8d4d2"> Bowling</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">Ohttp://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">M</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">R</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">W</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">Econ</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Nazmul Hossain (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/281188.html)</td> <td align="right">16http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">39</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">2.43</td> <td align="right">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Kamrul Islam (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/55961.html)</td> <td align="right">14http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">42</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">3.00</td> <td align="right">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Enamul Haque jnr (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/55882.html)</td> <td align="right">35http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">98</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">2.80</td> <td align="right">(4nb)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Mahmudullah (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56025.html)</td> <td align="right">37http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">68</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">1.83</td> <td align="right">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Mehrab Hossain jnr (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56031.html)</td> <td align="right">29http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">79</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">2.72</td> <td align="right">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Nadif Chowdhury (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56053.html)</td> <td align="right">4http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">17</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">4.25</td> <td align="right">(3w)</td></tr></tbody></table>
Second Match:

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr height="19"><td>
</td> <td bgcolor="#d8d4d2"> Bowling</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">Ohttp://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">M</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">R</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">W</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">Econ</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Nazmul Hossain (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/281188.html)</td> <td align="right">13.5</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">34</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">2.45</td> <td align="right">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Mahbubul Alam (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56032.html)</td> <td align="right">19http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">53</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">2.78</td> <td align="right">(1nb)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Ziaur Rahman (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56167.html)</td> <td align="right">11http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="right">39</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">3.54</td> <td align="right">(1nb, 1w)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Nadif Chowdhury (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56053.html)</td> <td align="right">2http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">10.50</td> <td align="right">(2w)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Mahmudullah (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56025.html)</td> <td align="right">23http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">61</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">2.65</td> <td align="right">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Enamul Haque jnr (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/55882.html)</td> <td align="right">19http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">55</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">2.89</td> <td align="right">(1nb)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Mehrab Hossain jnr (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56031.html)</td> <td align="right">5http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">2.00</td> <td align="right">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td colspan="2">http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>
2nd Innings:

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr height="19"><td bgcolor="#d8d4d2">Bowling</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">Ohttp://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">M</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">R</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">W</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">Econ</td> <td align="right" bgcolor="#d8d4d2">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Nazmul Hossain (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/281188.html)</td> <td align="right">9http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="right">35</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">3.88</td> <td align="right">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Mahbubul Alam (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56032.html)</td> <td align="right">12http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">48</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">4.00</td> <td align="right">(2nb)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Ziaur Rahman (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56167.html)</td> <td align="right">4http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">18</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">4.50</td> <td align="right">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Mahmudullah (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56025.html)</td> <td align="right">39http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">110</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">2.82</td> <td align="right">(1w)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Enamul Haque jnr (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/55882.html)</td> <td align="right">30http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">93</td> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="right">3.10</td> <td align="right">(3nb)</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Mehrab Hossain jnr (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56031.html)</td> <td align="right">29http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="right">81</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">2.79</td> <td align="right">
</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td>
</td> <td nowrap="nowrap"> Raqibul Hasan (http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56087.html)</td> <td align="right">1http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">0</td> <td align="right">3.00</td> <td align="right">
</td></tr></tbody></table>
That's 10 wickets in 3 innings. Did nothing in the one-dayers though.

Tigers_eye
May 23, 2007, 09:05 AM
Mahmudullah is bowling too many overs. Is he a fast bowler?

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 09:07 AM
It says 'medium-fast' on CricInfo.

I thought he was an off-spinner myself.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 09:15 AM
if tapash can keep his head screwed on straight and stop spraying around at all the wrong moments, he's not a bad medium pacer at all. other's have this particular issue to contend with also by the way... plus his handiness with the bat still make him a pretty good option. he also has youth on his side. having said that, dollar, shahjada, talha, najmul and shafaq won't make it easy for him in the time to come. good for us!!!

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 09:23 AM
if tapash can keep his head screwed on straight and stop spraying around at all the wrong moments, he's not a bad medium pacer at all. other's have this particular issue to contend with also by the way...

So basically, if he can stop being rubbish he can be good eh? ;)

I'm also completely opposed to any line of thinking that takes batting into consideration when choosing a bowler. England persisted with Ashley Giles over Panesar on this basis. It's nice to have late order runs as a nice bonus, but it shouldn't be a consideration.

sadi
May 23, 2007, 09:26 AM
I am more interested to see how Mahbubul Alam Robin turns out to be. I think he is quite a promising fast bowling prospect.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 09:28 AM
So basically, if he can stop being rubbish he can be good eh? ;)

yep... :D

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 09:29 AM
I am more interested to see how Mahbubul Alam Robin turns out to be. I think he is quite a promising fast bowling prospect.

McInnes seemed to be of the opinion that he's capable of swinging it both ways. Anyone know anything about him re: pace, build, bounce?

Season 2006/07

<table><tbody><tr><td>Bowling</td><td>Balls</td><td>Mdns</td><td>Runs</td><td>Wkts</td><td>BB</td><td>Ave</td><td>5wI</td><td>10wM</td></tr> <tr><td>Ispahani Mirzapore Tea National Cricket League 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/BDESH/2006-07_BDESH_Ispahani_Mirzapore_Tea_National_Cricket_L eague_2006-07.html)</td><td>711</td><td>26</td><td>333</td><td>9</td><td>3-54</td><td>37.00 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>Ispahani Mirzapore Tea National Cricket League One-Day 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/BDESH/2006-07_BDESH_Ispahani_Mirzapore_Tea_National_Cricket_L eague_One-Day_2006-07.html)</td><td>118</td><td>0</td><td>118</td><td>4</td><td>3-36</td><td>29.50 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>
9 wickets in 5 matches at an average of 37 and a strike rate of 80. Hmmm.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 09:30 AM
I am more interested to see how Mahbubul Alam Robin turns out to be. I think he is quite a promising fast bowling prospect.

interesting, can you elaborate?... :info:

Rabz
May 23, 2007, 09:37 AM
Good thread guys..
we do certainly need to look beyond the "3" we have at the moment...
and yes.. a big NO NO to Taposh...

few names mentioned here looks promising on papers..
see how they fair up in time...

Morpheous
May 23, 2007, 10:35 AM
The Next 2 bowling options Next Mash, Rajib, Rasel.........

#1 Dollar Mahmud
#2 Shafak Al Jabir(6'3/6'4...great height)

Spin Option after Rafiq retires-
Nadif Chowdhury (Great batsman too)

cricket_pagol
May 23, 2007, 10:38 AM
It says 'medium-fast' on CricInfo.

I thought he was an off-spinner myself.

Since the BD teams desperately needs an off-spinner, may be Mahmudallah changed his bowling action! He excellent potential to be part of our team.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 10:41 AM
The Next 2 bowling options Next Mash, Rajib, Rasel.........

#1 Dollar Mahmud
#2 Shafak Al Jabir(6'3/6'4...great height)

Spin Option after Rafiq retires-
Nadif Chowdhury (Great batsman too)

Hasn't Nadif basically been converted into a batsman who bowls?

Also I rarely seem to hear anyone talk about Suhrawardi Shuvo, but his first class numbers are great, especially for such a young spinner.

<table><tbody><tr><td colspan="8">Suhrawardi Shuvo:

</td></tr> <tr><td>
</td><td>Balls</td><td>Mdns</td><td>Runs</td><td>Wkts</td><td>BB</td><td>Ave</td><td>5wI</td><td>10wM</td><td>SRate</td><td>Econ</td></tr> <tr><td>Overall</td><td>2600</td><td>102</td><td>1184</td><td>54</td><td>6-112</td><td>21.92 </td><td>5</td><td>0</td><td>48.14 </td><td>2.73</td></tr></tbody></table>
54 wickets in 12 matches at 22, with a wicket every 48 balls.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 10:48 AM
The Next 2 bowling options Next Mash, Rajib, Rasel.........

#1 Dollar Mahmud
#2 Shafak Al Jabir(6'3/6'4...great height)

Spin Option after Rafiq retires-
Nadif Chowdhury (Great batsman too)

dollar and shahjada should get their ODI debuts against lesser teams like zimbabwe, kenya, ireland and the other associate countries ASAP.

shafaq needs to learn to use his height better, vary his angles, and start generating more pace the way he's expected to as a tall fast bowler... and not spray as much when he starts generaing around the 135s ... i'll give him a couple of more years in domestic cricket, U-23 and BD-A.

nadif's somewhat technically sound, better than HaBa anyday...:-|

SS
May 23, 2007, 10:48 AM
These bowlers need to play lot more to get mature before getting into national team.
It's unfortunate that we lost pacers stock who could serve in national team as a back up or emergency need and also can perform in international level (Talha,Tareq,Manjurul, Sharif, and recently Tapash). All of them became so ineffective in international level. Not sure among A team/academy team any notable bowlers improving enough to fill the position if required.

Last time heard Kamrul, Dollar, Shahjada were doing good but they really don't look that aggresive (physically and mental aggression missing, I know Malcom was exceptional, but we are not Malcoms)Unfortunately Talha, Shafaq played few according to my knowledge. Correct me if I am wrong.

sadi
May 23, 2007, 10:51 AM
Also I rarely seem to hear anyone talk about Suhrawardi Shuvo, but his first class numbers are great, especially for such a young spinner.

<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=8>Suhrawardi Shuvo:</TD></TR><TR><TD>


</TD><TD>Balls</TD><TD>Mdns</TD><TD>Runs</TD><TD>Wkts</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>Ave</TD><TD>5wI</TD><TD>10wM</TD><TD>SRate</TD><TD>Econ</TD></TR><TR><TD>Overall</TD><TD>2600</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>1184</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>6-112</TD><TD>21.92 </TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>48.14 </TD><TD>2.73</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
54 wickets in 12 matches at 22, with a wicket every 48 balls.

If I am not mistaken, Shuvo is going to Australia this summer for the training in Australian Academy.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 10:52 AM
These bowlers need to play lot more to get mature before getting into national team.
It's unfortunate that we lost pacers stock who could serve in national team as a back up or emergency need and also can perform in international level (Talha,Tareq,Manjurul, Sharif, and recently Tapash). All of them became so ineffective in international level. Not sure among A team/academy team any notable bowlers improving enough to fill the position if required.

Last time heard Kamrul, Dollar, Shahjada were doing good but they really don't look that aggresive (physically and mental aggression missing, I know Malcom was exceptional, but we are not Malcoms)Unfortunately Talha, Shafaq played few according to my knowledge. Correct me if I am wrong.

Why have we 'lost' Sharif and Talha?

They were thrust in when they weren't ready. Presumably they eventually will be ready and we can try them again.

sadi
May 23, 2007, 10:55 AM
interesting, can you elaborate?... :info:

Again, I am not sure but if I am not mistaken, Robin was one of the find from the very first pacer hunt. The Watcher bhai can verify the information. Whenever he was given a chance with the academy team or A team, he seemed to pick up some wickets. A good prospect but definitely need more time to mature and get better before a national team callup.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 10:55 AM
... Last time heard Kamrul, Dollar, Shahjada were doing good but they really don't look that aggresive (physically and mental aggression missing, I know Malcom was exceptional, but we are not Malcoms)Unfortunately Talha, Shafaq played few according to my knowledge. Correct me if I am wrong.

you're right, pretty much... except dollar's pretty aggressive most of the time, more like tapash than mash or rajib. shahjada needs to be... shafaq's like srinath in that departmant and needs to change sooner rather than later... :)

Anher
May 23, 2007, 10:56 AM
If you dont find any other options please let me know.
Hasibul hossain shanto will be unleased from the cage again.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 10:56 AM
If I am not mistaken, Shuvo is going to Australia this summer for the training in Australian Academy.

Yep, I read about that. Excellent news.

I'm a bit surprised at his lack of A-team activity though. Surely worth throwing him in.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 10:56 AM
Again, I am not sure but if I am not mistaken, Robin was one of the find from the very first pacer hunt. The Watcher bhai can verify the information. Whenever he was given a chance with the academy team or A team, he seemed to pick up some wickets. A good prospect but definitely need more time to mature and get better before a national team callup.

thanks for the heads up... :)

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 10:57 AM
If you dont find any other options please let me know.
Hasibul hossain shanto will be unleased from the cage again.

:lol: :lol: :lol: ... with mushfiq babu and alamgir kabir backing him up...

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 10:58 AM
Again, I am not sure but if I am not mistaken, Robin was one of the find from the very first pacer hunt. The Watcher bhai can verify the information. Whenever he was given a chance with the academy team or A team, he seemed to pick up some wickets. A good prospect but definitely need more time to mature and get better before a national team callup.

McInnes was a fan, and mentioned in one of his posts here how he developed an inswinger to go with his natural outswinger and that he was a much better bowler for it.

But then McInnes spoke so enthusiastically about all his players, it's hard to know which ones were actually crap.

sadi
May 23, 2007, 10:58 AM
Why have we 'lost' Sharif and Talha?

They were thrust in when they weren't ready. Presumably they eventually will be ready and we can try them again.

The problem is whenever you are given a chance when you are not ready and you fail, you can always come back better and stronger but some of them loses their confidence and never the same again. It depends on how mentally strong a person is. Sharif is a fighter and I am sure he will fight it out. Not sure about Talha though.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 11:01 AM
Why have we 'lost' Sharif and Talha?

They were thrust in when they weren't ready. Presumably they eventually will be ready and we can try them again.

talha's still trying to overcome his limitations... sharif can't overcome his height and seems more focused on his batting these days... :-|

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 11:02 AM
McInnes was a fan, and mentioned in one of his posts here how he developed an inswinger to go with his natural outswinger and that he was a much better bowler for it.

But then McInnes spoke so enthusiastically about all his players, it's hard to know which ones were actually crap.

he always does in public... good PR strategy, the way it should be... :)

Fortuner
May 23, 2007, 12:35 PM
I'm pretty sure Marshall was actually 5'10, so he was far from short at any rate.

Regardless, it's not Baisya's height that's the problem. It's everything else.
u sure he was 5'10"
i heard he was 5'5"
bro..wht eva u say....i will say if baisya was 6feet..he wld b a better bowler..u seee no matter wht baisya will try doing...some batsman dont get intimidated....in intl circket now..its all bout agression whn u play top teams like aus..our mash and rajib are gr8 bowlers...if baisya comes to bwol to hyden..hydo will make him piss in his pants...

nywaz..hwz kamrul islam?new guy in junior level..

Fortuner
May 23, 2007, 12:37 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: ... with mushfiq babu and alamgir kabir backing him up...

mushifque babu n almagir kabir opening bd bowling...imagine the opponent team;s fun...:D:floor: 400:floor:

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 12:41 PM
u sure he was 5'10"
i heard he was 5'5"
bro..wht eva u say....i will say if baisya was 6feet..he wld b a better bowler..u seee no matter wht baisya will try doing...some batsman dont get intimidated....in intl circket now..its all bout agression whn u play top teams like aus..our mash and rajib are gr8 bowlers...if baisya comes to bwol to hyden..hydo will make him piss in his pants...

nywaz..hwz kamrul islam?new guy in junior level..

From Cricinfo:

However, on the 1980 tour he secured a Test place and at Manchester was instrumental in causing a collapse of seven wickets for 24. It began to be noted that, although not physically imposing - he was 5ft 11in - he had a natural balance and athleticism.

If Baiysa was 6 feet tall, he may not have had the natural balance or co-ordination that allows him to bowl at that pace now. There's no point speculating what a particular player would be like if his physical dimensions were different.

I think you assign far too much importance to a bowler's ability to intimidate. Chaminda Vaas has built a test career around his cutters and slower balls.

Tapash is an ordinary bowler because he doesn't bowl a good enough line and length consistently enough and that's the crux of it.

billah
May 23, 2007, 01:53 PM
From Cricinfo:I think you assign far too much importance to a bowler's ability to intimidate. Chaminda Vaas has built a test career around his cutters and slower balls.

Tapash is an ordinary bowler because he doesn't bowl a good enough line and length consistently enough and that's the crux of it.


Spot on. Same with Wasim Akram, specially after he became diabetic halfway through his career.

SS
May 23, 2007, 02:05 PM
Agree with Aritro on Tapash line and length issue, he bowls fast but if you have errratic line and length batsmen will go after it. So even if you bowl 60 deliveries and 20 of them are way to erratic you will end up givign 20*4=80 runs!!! That's why we see Mashrafee who really concentrating on line and length nowadays.

habfreak
May 23, 2007, 02:32 PM
Can't comment about Shahjada/Dollar....I haven't seen any of these guys bowl. Sharif might be a good option...we need someone with control and accuracy to complement Mash and Rajib's attacking style. I heard he's good with the older ball too...that puts him ahead of rasel in the test squad!

sheikh
May 23, 2007, 02:33 PM
Nice thread and equally good first post.
I just disagree with you about one point. Unlike batsmen or spinners, a fast bowler, if he is really good, can get a chance in his early career. Fast bowling is more a natural ability. We can find many examples of fast bowlers getting their first game before 20s.
In fact, most (almost all) of the famous first bowlers have started their career when they were very young.
So, if we can find some one like Dolar who is good and at the same time we need a thired pacer in the test matches, why not give him a chance?
For the faster bowlers it is always helpful to get their first game in test matches rathar than ODIs.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 02:45 PM
Nice thread and equally good first post.
I just disagree with you about one point. Unlike batsmen or spinners, a fast bowler, if he is really good, can get a chance in his early career. Fast bowling is more a natural ability. We can find many examples of fast bowlers getting their first game before 20s.
In fact, most (almost all) of the famous first bowlers have started their career when they were very young.
So, if we can find some one like Dolar who is good and at the same time we need a thired pacer in the test matches, why not give him a chance?
For the faster bowlers it is always helpful to get their first game in test matches rathar than ODIs.

the point exactly bro... what does that mean? pace? line and length? getting wickets? hairstyle???

sacrificing extras and runs for pace, unless they're getting wickets, lead to the dark place young prospects such as shabbir ahmed find themselves in.

Protic
May 23, 2007, 02:59 PM
Where is Jahid Hassan..the pacer hunt dude?

gatekeeper
May 23, 2007, 03:20 PM
This is an area of genuine concern. I've heard that there are few good ones in the developement stages but need confirmation. There are plenty of good batemen and some slow bowlers waiting in the wings but pacers seem to be n short supply (if my info is incorrect).

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 03:55 PM
Fast bowling is more a natural ability. We can find many examples of fast bowlers getting their first game before 20s.


I'd be interested to hear some of the names.

Those fast bowlers who came into international cricket at a relatively young age were of the physically mature type with a natural ability to generate raw pace. They're far more suited to making an impression in international cricket at that stage of their career than the seamers we've got in our ranks.

Miraz
May 23, 2007, 04:36 PM
A very good thread.

If we consider First bowling stocks outside the premiere trio, the following names will dominate in near future.

1. Dollar Mahmud (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56209.html)
2. Ishraq Sonnet (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/55931.html)
3. Mahbubul Alam
4. Ziaur Rahman (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56167.html)

I think they will dominate the future.

However,
1. Shafaq Al Zabir had great potential, but have to increase his pace to have any chance to feature in the national team.
2. Talha Jubair - We wasted a genuine fast bowler. I really doubt whether he will be fit enough in near future to make it to the national level.
3. Mohammad Shahzada - He is more like Farhad Reza, should not be considered as a real fast bowling prospect.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 04:45 PM
A very good thread.

If we consider First bowling stocks outside the premiere trio, the following names will dominate in near future.

1. Dollar Mahmud (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56209.html)
2. Ishraq Sonnet (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/55931.html)
3. Mahbubul Alam
4. Ziaur Rahman (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56167.html)

I think they will dominate the future.

However,
1. Shafaq Al Zabir had great potential, but have to increase his pace to have any chance to feature in the national team.
2. Talha Jubair - We wasted a genuine fast bowler. I really doubt whether he will be fit enough in near future to make it to the national level.
3. Mohammad Shahzada - He is more like Farhad Reza, should not be considered as a real fast bowling prospect.

I really don't see how we wasted Jubair. Were his injuries brought about due to being over-bowled before reaching physical maturity?

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 04:47 PM
miraz bhai, any details about the pace, control, strengths and weaknesses of the one's you've mentioned, including shahzada?

Miraz
May 23, 2007, 04:54 PM
I really don't see how we wasted Jubair. Were his injuries brought about due to being over-bowled before reaching physical maturity?

A 16 year old boy played 6 Test matches in 2002 within 5 months period (July - December), was the main strike bowler, bowled 168 overs. 25.5 overs per innings.It was way too much for him. He was not physically ready to take the pressure.

He took 14 wickets, showed a lot of promise, but we have slain a golden duck, and that's how we wasted a real prospect.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 05:04 PM
A 16 year old boy played 6 Test matches in 2002 within 5 months period (July - December), was the main strike bowler, bowled 168 overs. 25.5 overs per innings.It was way too much for him. He was not physically ready for to take the pressure.

He took 14 wickets, showed a lot of promise, but we have slain a golden duck, and that's how we wasted a real prospect.

I've always assumed that he was only 16 according to the 'Enamul Haque' method of age estimation.

Even so, he would only have been 18 or 19 at most so I take your point about over-exertion.

Having said that, even though Injuries might have a habit of recurring, I think it's a stretch to suggest that all the woes he's had from 2003 to 2007 are the result of this mistake. Plenty of players have recovered from similar troubles. I'd say circumstances are more responsible for his downfall than the decisions of the Bangladesh cricket team.

I also don't see why a decent coach can't rehabilitate him.

Miraz
May 23, 2007, 05:11 PM
I've always assumed that he was only 16 according to the 'Enamul Haque' method of age estimation.

Even so, he would only have been 18 or 19 at most so I take your point about over-exertion.

Having said that, even though Injuries might have a habit of recurring, I think it's a stretch to suggest that all the woes he's had from 2003 to 2007 are the result of this mistake. Plenty of players have recovered from similar troubles. I'd say circumstances are more responsible for his downfall than the decisions of the Bangladesh cricket team.

I also don't see why a decent coach can't rehabilitate him.

Talha was genuinely 16+ at that time.

A coach can do very little to rehabilitate an injured pacer who suffered stress fracture. He might change his bowling action and prevent further injury, but the damage is already done. Everyone is not Mashrafe, he made some miracle possible.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 05:18 PM
talha's still young, so maybe he can pull it off... though coming back strong from a stress fracture at that age is rare.

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 05:29 PM
Talha was genuinely 16+ at that time.

A coach can do very little to rehabilitate an injured pacer who suffered stress fracture. He might change his bowling action and prevent further injury, but the damage is already done. Everyone is not Mashrafe, he made some miracle possible.

Fair enough.

Brett Lee is another example of a bowler who suffered a stress fracture as a teenager, a re-occurence of that stress fracture 2 years later and other injuries in between before coming out of it alright. These sorts of players are obviously exceptions, and presumably his injury was managed a lot better than Talha's, but it'd be nice to think there's hope for him, however little.

TheWatcher
May 23, 2007, 06:09 PM
My two cents on the topic:

Dolar, I think, is overrated. Only good thing about him, I heard, is that he has a good bowling action. Well, Zaheer Khan has one of the most fluent action I have seen, but how effective is he in international cricket ? Dolar's performances for the U/19, Academy, or the A-team, so far, are bellow average. Nazmul has done better than him in levels bellow international cricket.

Shahzada was outstanding last winter (against Zimbabwe, in NCL and DPL). However, his performances dropped drastically since February. I guess he is kind of bowlers who depend a lot on weather conditions. Also, I think he is faster than Farhad, Shafaq, and Mushfiq Babu, since he comes in the bowling order (for Rajshahi) before them. I say the selectors should keep him in mind for NZ tour.

In subcontinental condition, in general, you got to have good pace to trouble batsmen (especially in the longer version), and Tapash and Talha are the only two bowlers (besides Mash and Rajib) in Bangladesh that I know has it. We can't afford to give up on them yet. What BCB needs to do is to hire a bowling coach to exclusively work with those guys (as well as with Rajib).

Aritro
May 23, 2007, 06:11 PM
Dolar, I think, is overrated. Only good thing about him, I heard, is that he has a good bowling action. Well, Zaheer Khan has one of the most fluent action I have seen, but how effective is he in international cricket ? Dolar's performances for the U/19, Academy, or the A-team, so far, are bellow average. Nazmul has done better than him in levels bellow international cricket.



Pretty much my distant view on him too. He'll be at the next U/19 World Cup though, so that part of his record may see a drastic improvement.

Sohel
May 23, 2007, 06:12 PM
about that bowling coach for our up and coming seamers: wasim akramer paye dhorle hoyna?

gatekeeper
May 23, 2007, 06:21 PM
A very good thread.

If we consider First bowling stocks outside the premiere trio, the following names will dominate in near future.

1. Dollar Mahmud (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56209.html)
2. Ishraq Sonnet (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/55931.html)
3. Mahbubul Alam
4. Ziaur Rahman (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56167.html)

I think they will dominate the future.

However,
1. Shafaq Al Zabir had great potential, but have to increase his pace to have any chance to feature in the national team.
2. Talha Jubair - We wasted a genuine fast bowler. I really doubt whether he will be fit enough in near future to make it to the national level.
3. Mohammad Shahzada - He is more like Farhad Reza, should not be considered as a real fast bowling prospect.

Any stats on these guys, like approx. speed, age, height. left or right handed, etc.?

zahid
May 23, 2007, 08:02 PM
Nice thread. It's good to see it.

zahid
May 23, 2007, 08:08 PM
If you dont find any other options please let me know.
Hasibul hossain shanto will be unleased from the cage again.

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! :fanflag:

:lol: :lol: :lol: ... with mushfiq babu and alamgir kabir backing him up...

I am still unsure of how long you have followed BD Cricket. Back in the days when Mashrafe wasn't around, Shanto and Monjurul used to be our strike pacers and did pretty good jobs then. Shanto bowls pretty FAAAAAST. He had line and length problems and was dropped. I am sure after all these years, he has fixed that problem. And we will be glad to see hm back in action.

I, for one, can never forget how Shanto almost made us win that unofficial Test vs the MCC.

IanW
May 23, 2007, 08:42 PM
Any fast bowler who has not finished growing - and guys dont actually finish filling out until they are about 20 - should not bowl more than 10 overs a day. Including in the nets.

To do anything else is just asking for stress fractures and god knows what else.

Ian Whitchurch

russhassan
May 23, 2007, 10:46 PM
It may not be a great idea to bring in players in the national arena too quickly. I also agree with other folks that we should not quickly abandon Taposh and Talha. Both of them can be good support bowlers for Mashrafi and Shahadat even though they are not as quick as the other two. Talha was indeed a very good prospect. He had a beautiful action and was pretty nippy. I think BCB should try to rehab both of them so that we have some good options for the longer version of the game.

zahid
May 24, 2007, 06:07 AM
We have Sharif and Tareq Aziz and Nazmul . Why ain't anyone talking about them ? eh?

SS
May 24, 2007, 07:44 AM
Good discussions over here and good suggestions to nurture the 'discarded' fast bowlers(medium pacers more appropriate). We understand that Tapash, Talha(?), Sharif(?),Nazmul(!) are on top of the waiting/wish list, Dollar,Sonnet, Mahbubul, Ziaur,Kamrul are the newcomers, one thing is really not getting to me why BCB is not brining good coaches for them or even sending them periodically to oversees for short courses.
One thing more sure we need fast bowlers like Mash or Rajib. Can the above mentioned pacers show the credibility to peform like them if backup is necessary. What BCB has done so far to ensure that these 'stock' bowlers are keeping up to the standard of our pace bowling need.
It's a really important issue for BCB to realize how important it is to maintain that standard(in bowling and batting(!) dept) while we are improving and getting recognized slowly to the world.

sensible
May 24, 2007, 08:36 AM
What do we know about Sharif? Is he any good, especially in recent past?

Aritro
May 24, 2007, 08:44 AM
What do we know about Sharif? Is he any good, especially in recent past?

Part of a trio of very talented teenage fast bowlers including Talha and Mortaza who were brought in too early and suffered long term injuries. Debuted for the test team when he was 16 (official age) all the way back in 2001, and then spent the next 5 years getting over a chronic groin injury. Finally made his come back against Zimbabwe last year. Barely played a game in that time so it's hard to tell how much his injuries have affected him, but here's his most recent stats.

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/24/24337/Current_Season_Averages.html

<table><tbody><tr><td>Bowling</td><td>Balls</td><td>Mdns</td><td>Runs</td><td>Wkts</td><td>BB</td><td>Ave</td><td>5wI</td><td>10wM</td></tr> <tr><td>Bangladesh A in Sri Lanka 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/SL/2006-07_SL_Bangladesh_A_in_Sri_Lanka_2006-07.html)</td><td>126</td><td>5</td><td>71</td><td>2</td><td>2-55</td><td>35.50 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>Bangladesh A in Sri Lanka 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/SL/2006-07_SL_Bangladesh_A_in_Sri_Lanka_2006-07.html)</td><td>12</td><td>0</td><td>19</td><td>0</td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Bangladesh in Zimbabwe 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/ZIM/2006-07_ZIM_Bangladesh_in_Zimbabwe_2006-07.html)</td><td>59</td><td>0</td><td>53</td><td>1</td><td>1-53</td><td>53.00 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>England A in Bangladesh 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/BDESH/2006-07_BDESH_England_A_in_Bangladesh_2006-07.html)</td><td>144</td><td>4</td><td>92</td><td>2</td><td>1-24</td><td>46.00 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>Ispahani Mirzapore Tea National Cricket League 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/BDESH/2006-07_BDESH_Ispahani_Mirzapore_Tea_National_Cricket_L eague_2006-07.html)</td><td>1075</td><td>32</td><td>615</td><td>30</td><td>5-34</td><td>20.50 </td><td>3</td><td>1</td></tr> <tr><td>Zimbabwe A in Bangladesh 2006/07 (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/BDESH/2006-07_BDESH_Zimbabwe_A_in_Bangladesh_2006-07.html)</td><td>339</td><td>12</td><td>134</td><td>10</td><td>3-20</td><td>13.40 </td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>
30 National League wickets in 6 matches at 20.5, with a strike rate of 35.8 is outstanding.

Didn't get much of a chance to show his stuff in the A team matches against Sri Lanka and England though. I can't understand why.

SS
May 24, 2007, 08:57 AM
Thanks Aritro for the info, if you add the source that would be great.

Aritro
May 24, 2007, 09:00 AM
All the stats I've provided in this thread are from cricketarchive.com

The place is a goldmine. It has detailed information on players from all the first class leagues in the world, including ours.

Also, it would be nice if anyone could confirm if Sharif's official age has been given the Enamul Haque treatment.

safaat
May 24, 2007, 10:59 AM
Whats happen to Talha Jubair?

Aritro
May 24, 2007, 11:03 AM
Yes you're right.

We really should have spent several posts talking about him. ;)

pagol-chagol
May 24, 2007, 11:22 AM
Talha just had 4 wickets in the league today.

Does anyone know the heights of some of our young pacers?

Aritro
May 24, 2007, 11:25 AM
Shahzada is 5'7
Sharif is 6'05 according to Cricinfo
Shafaq Al Jabar is 6'3 or 6'4, but sadly also slow as hell.

TheWatcher
May 24, 2007, 11:37 AM
Sharif is 6'05 according to Cricinfo

He can't be any taller than 5'6".

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/DB/042001/024450.jpg

pagol-chagol
May 24, 2007, 11:45 AM
Sharif looks shorter than Pilot. 5' 4" max. Darn. There are plenty of Bangladeshi girls taller than that. Why did he want to become a pacer?

Aritro
May 24, 2007, 11:58 AM
He can't be any taller than 5'6".

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/DB/042001/024450.jpg

Heh, yeah I was wondering where they got 6'05 from.

Must have got it the wrong way round.

Sohel
May 24, 2007, 12:08 PM
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! :fanflag:



I am still unsure of how long you have followed BD Cricket. Back in the days when Mashrafe wasn't around, Shanto and Monjurul used to be our strike pacers and did pretty good jobs then. Shanto bowls pretty FAAAAAST. He had line and length problems and was dropped. I am sure after all these years, he has fixed that problem. And we will be glad to see hm back in action.

I, for one, can never forget how Shanto almost made us win that unofficial Test vs the MCC.

1) the patronizing tone's totally uncalled for bro... I AM NOT THE ENEMY. be kind to others and you may feel better about yourself... go ahead and try, i won't tell anyone.

2) not OKRITOGGO, i'm grateful to shanto and all the others who've brought us where we are today. he's my cousin adil's best friend and seems a really nice guy whenever i meet him. now, sentiments and nostalgia notwithstanding, i'd like to know why you think he belongs in the company of mash, rajib, dollar, tapash, rasel, nazmul, zia, sharif, talha, shafaq and even shahzada and forhad? (forhad's known more for his batting by the way... yes i go to local matches) pace? line & length? aggression? ability to take wickets at this level, and not just against the scotland, uganda and MCCs of cricket? please enlighten us bro...

3) this is not '97 anymore bro... our cricket infrastructure, despite all of its current shortcomings, has come a long way and begun to deliver more talented cricketers from a larger, more organized pool of young players. these guys are beginning to stand and deliver performances required at the test playing level, despite the fact that BCB can do more to stabilize those international performances and accelerate the genuine development of our cricket by addressing those infrastructure challenges more seriously. simply put: mash, ash, shakzie, mushi, aftab, tamim, alok, nafis, SN, dollar, tapash, zia, rasel, nazmul, sharif, shafaq, junaid, nadif and a few others belong to these times at this level simply because they're better players also suited to face new realities with the right frame of mind; HaBa (enough said about him), pilot (still the best keeper, but mushi's the future) and golla don't (and AK, durjoy and shanto neither). time to evolve and and not allow the buiraz and their love of beton, to stagnate the process any more than it already has.

4) last but not least... think of cricket as a process, as opposed to an event, and don't assume where your much despised NEWBIES are coming from, or how old they may be, or their cricketing pedigree... learning too is an ongoing process and we're all learning everyday, there's no need to pretend anything else. play each ball according to it's unique merit...

Sohel
May 24, 2007, 12:14 PM
Heh, yeah I was wondering where they got 6'05 from.

Must have got it the wrong way round.

:lol: :lol: :lol: ... sharif's a good seamer despite his height... swings the ball well, good balance too... weird but true. he was really good against zimbabwe in zimbabwe when they were good. then mash aisha polar bhat marlo when zimbabwe came to dhaka with the flower brothers and co.... i remember the fans teasing sharif about that at the BNS... :)

Murad
May 24, 2007, 12:51 PM
Heh, yeah I was wondering where they got 6'05 from.

Must have got it the wrong way round.

yes.. hes 6.05ft.. most bd news paper said it.. when he was playing for the national teamn in 2001/02, he was around 16/17 yrs old and was 5'6 inch tall.. .. so now he obviously gone taller by age.. boys gets taller by the age of 15-19 i believe..

Aritro
May 24, 2007, 12:57 PM
That's quite some growth spurt nonetheless.

That half a foot that he's grown will make the world of difference.

Nafi
May 24, 2007, 12:59 PM
Guys!!! there are two mohammed sharifs, one is 5ft 6 the other is 6ft

look at the pictures they're different people, but they have the same birth date and birth place, very wierd.

http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/01/26/2007-01-26__sport01.jpg

He is fairly quich; he is short (5'6")

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55986.html

Tall, lanky, and genuinely quick, Mohammad Sharif forced his way into the national side in 2001 as a 17-year-old on the back of impressive performances in the National League He can deliver reverse-swing,

Seriously I hope this 6ft sharif guy who can produce reverse swing exists.

Aritro
May 24, 2007, 01:22 PM
I give up.

Sohel
May 24, 2007, 01:24 PM
I give up.

the short one's been called up... :bird:

Nafi
May 24, 2007, 01:26 PM
:lol: we are not sure if there one or two of them, I hope its the tall one, who's been called up.

Aritro
May 24, 2007, 01:27 PM
The 5'6 one who's 'tall and lanky'?

Maybe the tall one will turn up in his place ;)

zahid
May 24, 2007, 02:17 PM
I talked about Shanto. Where the hell did Habla and JO and SN come from?

Yes, Shanto has these :
pace
line & length( unsure- need to see him in action again)
aggression
ability to take wickets

zahid
May 24, 2007, 02:20 PM
There r 2 ? ROFL! We want the tall one.

Sohel
May 24, 2007, 03:34 PM
I talked about Shanto. Where the hell did Habla and JO and SN come from?

Yes, Shanto has these :
pace
line & length( unsure- need to see him in action again)
aggression
ability to take wickets

no more comments from me bro... i don't wanna do this: :head: anymore... peace :saint:

zahid
May 24, 2007, 05:40 PM
I found these 2 articles about Shanto :

http://bangladeshcricket.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=1175&p=2&stid=8034028

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=14691

Looks promising.

Sohel
May 24, 2007, 05:48 PM
I found these 2 articles about Shanto :

http://bangladeshcricket.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=1175&p=2&stid=8034028

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=14691

Looks promising.

if you have a time-machine bro... the first one's from 2000, and the second one's a post from feb 2006... try and get real. recent stats that compare him to other bowlers (details about his pace would help too, (he hasn't gone beyond 125-130 lately as far as i know, please prove me wrong) or just ask miraz bhai. nahoile ei chintata chhaira den bhai... dibenna? please!!! :D

zahid
May 24, 2007, 06:13 PM
if you have a time-machine bro... the first one's from 2000, and the second one's a post from feb 2006... try and get real, recent stats that compare him to other bowlers (details about his pace would help too, he hasn't gone beyond 125-130 lately as far as i know, please prove me wrong) or just ask miraz bhai. nahoile ei chintata chhaira den bhai... dibenna? please!!! :D

National teamey arekbar ashok. Tarpor dekhum. Bhalo na korley ... chaira dimu ney :)

Btw, I m talking about using him as a TEST ONLY bowler. Certainly not ODI!

Sohel
May 24, 2007, 10:08 PM
National teamey arekbar ashok. Tarpor dekhum. Bhalo na korley ... chaira dimu ney :)

Btw, I m talking about using him as a TEST ONLY bowler. Certainly not ODI!

khoab deiha jan bhaya... :D

gatekeeper
May 24, 2007, 10:35 PM
I found these 2 articles about Shanto :

http://bangladeshcricket.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=1175&p=2&stid=8034028

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=14691

Looks promising.

Shanto's has been. It hurts me more than you but that's the truth. He's a fellow Old DOHS kid and literally grew up in front of us. I like this kid a lot. It would please me to no end if he could perform like he used at his prime but...............

Aritro
May 25, 2007, 03:27 AM
I think the first two sessions have revealed that our fast bowling stocks are very shallow indeed.

TheWatcher
May 25, 2007, 03:35 AM
As I said, you got to have good pace to trouble batsmen on subcontinental wickets. Medium pacers can't find enough swing/seam movement here to be effective, not in Test cricket.

sheikh
May 26, 2007, 11:47 PM
Nice thread and equally good first post.
I just disagree with you about one point. Unlike batsmen or spinners, a fast bowler, if he is really good, can get a chance in his early career. Fast bowling is more a natural ability. We can find many examples of fast bowlers getting their first game before 20s.
In fact, most (almost all) of the famous first bowlers have started their career when they were very young.
So, if we can find some one like Dolar who is good and at the same time we need a thired pacer in the test matches, why not give him a chance?
For the faster bowlers it is always helpful to get their first game in test matches rathar than ODIs.

I'd be interested to hear some of the names.

Those fast bowlers who came into international cricket at a relatively young age were of the physically mature type with a natural ability to generate raw pace. They're far more suited to making an impression in international cricket at that stage of their career than the seamers we've got in our ranks.

Here are some bowlers from different countries who made their debutes below or just above 20s. You may bring the example of Talha again!! Talha was only 16 and was not handled properly.
Most importantly, unlike batsmen and the spinners, you can rarely find a fast bowler getting his debutes in test matches after the age of 25.
And seamers and pacers!!! You please find yourself from the list.

1. Imran 19(Age at the time of his Test Debute)
2. Wasim 19
3. Wakar 18
4. Shoieb 22
5. Aaqib 17
6. Kapil 19
7. Vass 19
8. Malinga 20
9. D Farnando 21
10. Lee 21
11. Lillee 21
12. Marshal 20
13. Walsh 22
14. Bishop 21
15. Hadlee 21
16. Botham 21
17. Streak 19
18. Mashrafee 18

WarWolf
May 27, 2007, 01:36 PM
Watcher, so don't have any new exciting prospect like Mashrafee or Rajib?

Aritro
May 27, 2007, 01:44 PM
6. Kapil 19
7. Vass 19
15. Hadlee 21


Other than a couple of players from minnow nations who got their debuts through neccessity, the rest of that list made up entirely of 90mph bowlers...

Aritro
May 27, 2007, 01:47 PM
As I said, you got to have good pace to trouble batsmen on subcontinental wickets.

Yep.

Pace/seam bowling is the same everywhere really. You have to probe at the right lines and use all your variations.

The only difference is, you need to be able to bowl at 130kph as a minimum on the subcontinent, unless you're Chaminda Vaas.

Sohel
May 28, 2007, 03:15 PM
Can't comment about Shahjada/Dollar....I haven't seen any of these guys bowl. Sharif might be a good option...we need someone with control and accuracy to complement Mash and Rajib's attacking style. I heard he's good with the older ball too...that puts him ahead of rasel in the test squad!

first of all, we need sporting wickets to develop seamers.

dollar does that from what i've seen. good aggression and pace, excellent bowling action. talha's coming back also. great news for us. i haven't given up on tapash yet, great balance, good aggression and pace also, but HUGE issues with control. good potential with the bat. unlike rajib, he can't seem to settle down and find that line... he fluctuates. erratic. still young though. then i'll pick rasel, a major asset in terms of containment. smart too. then come nazmul and sharif together. ziaur rahman has pace, but still not ready for the senior side. shahzada and shafaq need to learn their height better, they'll improve. seeing is believing. we have youth on our side, and the talent pool is growing bro... YEAH!

tanvir_nus
May 29, 2007, 01:22 AM
first of all, we need sporting wickets to develop seamers.

dollar does that from what i've seen. good aggression and pace, excellent bowling action. talha's coming back also. great news for us. i haven't given up on tapash yet, great balance, good aggression and pace also, but HUGE issues with control. good potential with the bat. unlike rajib, he can't seem to settle down and find that line... he fluctuates. erratic. still young though. then i'll pick rasel, a major asset in terms of containment. smart too. then come nazmul and sharif together. ziaur rahman has pace, but still not ready for the senior side. shahzada and shafaq need to learn their height better, they'll improve. seeing is believing. we have youth on our side, and the talent pool is growing bro... YEAH!

From what I have seen, dollar doesn't have it in him,he is a bit on the economical side may be but he doesn't have that pace or aggression like rajib. I havent seen shahjada,shafaq or ziaur rhman but i think one of this 3 will be the one who can pair up with Mashrafe and Rajib bowling first change will be a good pace line up...trust me

Slysaint
June 11, 2007, 05:22 PM
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SideWinder
June 11, 2007, 05:26 PM
Other than a couple of players from minnow nations who got their debuts through neccessity, the rest of that list made up entirely of 90mph bowlers...

The likes of Botham, Lilee, Walsh and co barely heard 85 mph let alond 90...

Slysaint
June 11, 2007, 06:03 PM
anyone here know how Shafaq Al Jabir is doing these days?

habfreak
June 11, 2007, 07:51 PM
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I agree 110%:D

max410
June 11, 2007, 09:28 PM
I see the options of the new upcoming fast bowlers in Bangladeshi track taking many wickets but , you have to see the standard of the game, the Primier league in bangladesh cannot be compared to the international ODI or test matches, these bowler's may not be able to perform as much as mortaza due to lack of experience they will be expensive in the beginning, Taking wicket in dhaka league and International matches is a big difference.
But i am very optimistics and i am sure they have the talent and they just need to be consistent with their line and length and swing abilities not just the extra pace.
:flag:

One World
June 11, 2007, 09:41 PM
Ishrak Sonnet may be.

Sohel
June 13, 2007, 03:46 AM
Ishrak Sonnet may be.

i think the pacier zia has the better shot from what i've seen. stats: -

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56167.html

here's a dig from 2006 on sonnet BTW: -

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/236357.html

Aritro
June 13, 2007, 06:29 AM
You've posted the same link twice dude...

Sohel
June 13, 2007, 06:44 AM
You've posted the same link twice dude...

oops ... editing in the other link. thanks bro.

Trigger_Tiger
June 13, 2007, 06:49 AM
The likes of Botham, Lilee, Walsh and co barely heard 85 mph let alond 90...

Hi SideWinder,

Did I hear you say something about Dennis Lillee not hearing of 85mph-90mph? I like educating the ignorant. I hope you learn well from the following stats. Here (http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/STATS/FC/BOWLING/BOWLING_SPEEDS_OTHER.html) is some stats for you to read.

Even Lance Klusener was a fast one at the beginning of his career!

Aritro
June 13, 2007, 12:06 PM
Hi SideWinder,

Did I hear you say something about Dennis Lillee not hearing of 85mph-90mph? I like educating the ignorant. I hope you learn well from the following stats. Here (http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/STATS/FC/BOWLING/BOWLING_SPEEDS_OTHER.html) is some stats for you to read.

Even Lance Klusener was a fast one at the beginning of his career!

I was pretty surprised to find out that the early 80s model of Ian Botham wasn't 85-90 either. ;)

RazabQ
June 26, 2007, 07:45 PM
Here's some more material for this discussion. Aaquib Javed talks about the latest GP pacer hunt finds. Not overly optimistic :(

http://tigercricket.com/newnewsviews.aspx?Columnid=163

Murad
June 26, 2007, 08:02 PM
We have a lot of fast bowlers who can bowl 80+ mhr and we need a bowling coach for them very badly...we are not nurturing them and thats why we are always with these 3 bowlers..

we also need a batting coach as soon as possible.. else we will be failing like this all the time...

One World
June 26, 2007, 08:54 PM
if you have a time-machine bro... the first one's from 2000, and the second one's a post from feb 2006... try and get real. recent stats that compare him to other bowlers (details about his pace would help too, (he hasn't gone beyond 125-130 lately as far as i know, please prove me wrong) or just ask miraz bhai. nahoile ei chintata chhaira den bhai... dibenna? please!!! :D

I was about to say something about HHS but after this request gotta think again. Anyways any pics of our new new bowl bowlers.

al Furqaan
June 26, 2007, 09:47 PM
aquib sounds awfully one dimensional

and there aint much of a difference between 82 and 84 mph...

plus mash has proved that you can be good with 80-82 mph stuffs

SS
June 29, 2007, 10:37 AM
How did the coaching go? Any updates? Most probably Aquib emphasizing the speed, but hopefully he will also teach others techniques also.
Australian academy er training ta ki holo. Shob kisu kemon jeno chara chara. nothing looks organized.

Foozy
June 29, 2007, 04:22 PM
personally i dont like sharifs bowling one bit... he just isnt the same as when he first came... and his injuries has set him way behind what he would hav been...
also he used to be able to use the reverse swinger b4... it seems hes lost that too...

i dont see any1 talking much about nazmul hossain.... he was a young guy when he came in... and was pretty good.. and as far as i know he was also in the academy... and the last i heard... he said he was "rediscovering" his pacing abilities and balance...
so wats up with that? any1 got any ideas?...
that guy was fast and agressive too... and his action wasnt too bad either... id like to hear a good comebak from him... so ya... any1 know wats up withi him lately??

zahid
June 29, 2007, 04:32 PM
A lot of our pacers are overlooked for some reason.

Talha Jubair, Nazmul, Tareq.

cricman
June 29, 2007, 04:52 PM
A lot of our pacers are overlooked for some reason.

Talha Jubair, Nazmul, Tareq.

Garbage, Garbage and More Garbage!

I found these 2 articles about Shanto :

http://bangladeshcricket.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=1175&p=2&stid=8034028

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=14691

Looks promising.

The definition of Garbage!

WarWolf
June 29, 2007, 09:21 PM
Garbage, Garbage and More Garbage!
The definition of Garbage!
Probably a good permanent pace blowing coach could turn these garbage into valuable ones by recycling them in a good recycling plant.

Aritro
June 30, 2007, 05:37 AM
Presumably Rubel Hossain isn't there given that he's been named in the U/19s team that's currently in Malaysia.

Perhaps if he'd been there, Aqib might have had a few more positive things to say.

Also, this is the biggest load of nonsense I've ever heard:

"They have to realize that swing the ball or control the ball is not a big deal but bowl fast is really difficult.”

I'll assume he's been misquoted.

Aritro
November 2, 2007, 12:57 PM
Here's my post from the other thread:

<table><tbody><tr><td>Full name:</td><td>Sajidul Islam</td></tr> <tr><td valign="top">Born:</td><td>18th January 1988, Bangladesh</td></tr> <tr><td>Batting:</td><td>Right-hand batsman</td></tr><tr><td>Bowling:</td><td>Left-arm medium-fast</td></tr> <tr><td valign="top">Teams:</td><td>Barisal Division (Main FC: 2005/06-2007/08); Barisal Division (Main ListA: 2005/06-2007/08); All teams (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/94/94510/all_teams.html)</td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" valign="top">Lists of matches and more detailed statistics (http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/94/94510/statistics_lists.html)</td></tr></tbody></table> <hr> <table> <colgroup> <col width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> </colgroup> <tbody><tr><td colspan="8">First-Class Career Batting and Fielding (2005/06-2007/08)</td></tr> <tr><td>
</td><td>M</td><td>I</td><td>NO</td><td>Runs</td><td>HS</td><td>Ave</td><td>100</td><td>50</td><td>SRate</td><td>Ct</td></tr> <tr><td>Overall</td><td>16</td><td>22</td><td>13</td><td>138</td><td>64*</td><td>15.33 </td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>33.82 </td><td>7</td><td>
</td></tr> </tbody></table> <table><colgroup> <col width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> <col align="right" width="80"> </colgroup> <tbody><tr><td colspan="8">First-Class Career Bowling (2005/06-2007/08)</td></tr> <tr><td>
</td><td>Balls</td><td>Mdns</td><td>Runs</td><td>Wkts</td><td>BB</td><td>Ave</td><td>5wI</td><td>10wM</td><td>SRate</td><td>Econ</td></tr> <tr><td>Overall</td><td>2813</td><td>96</td><td>1418</td><td>50</td><td>5-61</td><td>28.36 </td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>56.26 </td><td>3.02</td></tr></tbody></table>
He's also taken 14 wickets at 15.57 in two and a half matches in this season's National League.

He played for the U/17s but it seems he never made it to the U/19s. He did, however represent the Academy in a couple of matches against the Pakistanis, finishing with figures of 1/33 off 13 and 2/23 off 7 in the two innings of the four-day match, while his lone appearance in the one-dayers yielded 0/44 off 9.

I find it strange that he was never included in an U/19s team as I don't recall the 2006 World Cup team being overly blessed with seam bowling talent other than Dolar Mahmud.

On a different note, even if that date of birth is slightly dodgy, we can still assume he's somewhere in the 19-21 range so there's plenty of scope for him to develop. I'll be keeping an eye on him for the rest of the season.

Stats from cricketarchive.com

Eshen
November 2, 2007, 01:12 PM
Good thread mate.

Here are few pictures of Sajidul Islam

http://tigercricket.com/pgallery/Sajidul1_201007.jpg

http://tigercricket.com/pgallery/Sajid-Day4_231007.jpg

http://www.thedailystar.net/photos/2007-11-03__sp01.jpg
(the batsman in the right picture is Zunaed)

Aritro
November 2, 2007, 01:13 PM
Well he's no Shahadat but he's not short either, which is good news.

I'm also impressed with how upright his head is during his follow through. It'd be nice to watch some actual footage.

Aritro
November 2, 2007, 01:16 PM
And here's the excellent analysis The Artist Formerly Known As Sydney provided in the other thread


Well... Sajid. This is the first time ive actually seen him bowling.
And i was really impressed. May be the "unknown" factor did play a good part as well.

I wouldnt say he is tall, but not short either. May be around 5 8-9 ( im just guessing) ...
Lefty with a typical left arm fast bowler run up and delivery action. I would call that smooth.

But what really impressed me was his ability to swing the ball.
With his pace, (which is quite decent) and his in-swinging balls, he looks quite dangerous at times. Also notable was his length and line. It was on-spot.

The ball he got Riyad out was a beauty. Good length ball pitched on off stump and swung right back into the batsman to uproot his middle stump between bat and pad.

Mehrab Jnr's out was also remarkable. Bowling over the wicket to a lefty batsmen, the ball pitched outside off-stump, got an uneven bouce and swung back into the batsmen, when Mehrab was caught by surprise, flashed at it and was caught behind.
Remember Mehrab is a lefty, so a ball swinging back to him from a lefty bowler makes it in out-swinger for Sajid.

And all these was at around 30-50 overs. The ball wasnt new, but it wasnt old enough to get reverse swing. So his swinging ability was impressive.

He is a quick version of Rasel to me.
16-7-40-4 was his bowling analysis, with only 1 wide and 1 no ball.
Really unlucky not to get the fifer. Well if the last batsmen didnt run out himself on a suicidal attempt, i guess he could hv got it.

All in all, certainly a really good prospect. keeping an eye on his progress.

I wont just yet throw him at national team. Let him mature. Let the fire burn within. Let him beg for it.

NZ tour would be as hard as it is. Im not that keen on throwing a new inexperienced face into it.

We got a whole month's worth of cricket left before the team gets picked.
Lets see how things shape up.

Eshen
November 2, 2007, 01:17 PM
Little more background info on Sajid - he is one of the two bowlers sent to MRF academy last year.

Ziaur, Sajidul to train at MRF Pace Foundation

The Bangladesh Cricket Control Board is pleased to announce that it will send two promising pace bowlers Ziaur Rahman and Sajidul Islam to the MRF Pace Bowling Foundation in Chennai, India to attend a 3-week program which will focus on fitness training, nutrition and technical analysis.

They will also get the opportunity to work with the legendary Dennis Lillee who is expected to arrive at the Foundation on June 25, 2006 for a two-week stay. Both Ziaur and Sajidul showed their promise in the Academy Cup Series 2006 and were nominated by BCCB High Performance Manager Allister de Winter and HP Senior Coach Sarwar Imran.

The pace bowlers are due to leave for Chennai on 19 June, 06 and are expected to return home on 10 July, 06.

- Tiger Cricket (http://tigercricket.com/MediaDetail.aspx?MediaID=303)

Nocturnal
November 2, 2007, 01:34 PM
Thanks for all the info about Sajidul Islam...never heard of him before this NCL.

SS
November 2, 2007, 01:37 PM
I was looking for this thread, thanks for digging it out. This NCL seems also good for pacers along with spinners. I am glad to see pacers grabbing more wickets, might be good indication. Not sure how the pitches are.
Mashrafee, Rasel are having good tournament. Shahadat seemed to be missing some actions. Beyond these three few new pacers are emerging. Ziaur, Robin, Dollar,Sajidul, Tareq Aziz(!), Shahzada, Rubel, Kamrul are having decent times in the leagues longer and shorter version of the game. Still these pacers have to go through more rigorous coaching to become international standard. For some reason I don't see that much of Tapash, Nazmul or even the tall left seamer Shafaq any more. I know Polash and few others grameen pacer hunt candidates are out for bowling actions.

Tigers_eye
November 2, 2007, 03:45 PM
Heard Shahadat got Dengu. :(

rahman
November 2, 2007, 04:15 PM
we hav no left hand fast bowlers no wonder we are lacking pace......

scoilaheez
November 2, 2007, 07:37 PM
Sharif proved he is not up to international standard but if he improved his batting he might attempt to get back in as a bowling all rounder but otherwise Tapash is the next best option.

scoilaheez
November 2, 2007, 07:50 PM
talha's still young, so maybe he can pull it off... though coming back strong from a stress fracture at that age is rare.
Mitchell Johnson is the perfect example of someone who can come back five years down the track with smart bowling and different skills. Johnson was supposedly going to be one of the fastest bowlers in the world and also 'a once in generation' ( overused cliche) bowler by Dennis Lillee.

Gowza
November 2, 2007, 08:09 PM
there are a few australia fast bowlers who have had stress fractures in their teens and/or early 20s. shane watson, brett lee, gerard denton, and mitchell johnson as mentioned above, all of them have come back from back stress fractures. i'm pretty sure there are others around the park as well. this is why some people believe fast bowlers until they start reaching their mid 20s shouldn't really bowl more than 10 overs in a day because it puts a lot of pressure on the back. which makes you think about all these young bangladesh players who are getting national call-ups at the age of 18/19, if they're bowled a bit too much they could end up with a career threatening injury.

Rabz
November 3, 2007, 01:38 AM
And here's the excellent analysis The Artist Formerly Known As Sydney provided in the other thread

Thank You.

Dhakablues
November 3, 2007, 02:25 AM
The reality is that in the indian subcontient there are no "New"fast bowlers beyond their 25th year or so. Hence you hear Shoaib Akhtar saying that this tour to India might be his last though he is only 26 years old. In fact, i cant recall or dont know whether Bangladesh ever had a fast bowler in their late 20s. You are right that injury and lack of physical capability are the primary reasons...Hence, Talha coming back, is a distant possibility unless he does something exceptional that goes beyond imagination. And not to mention, the new fast bowlers are trying to get in,, like Dollar/Kamrul etc.

Gowza
November 3, 2007, 02:30 AM
cricinfo says shoaib akhtar is 32.....
http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/42655.html

Dhakablues
November 3, 2007, 02:37 AM
You are right, he is 32. I was thinking of when he entered world cricket stage..

AsifTheManRahman
November 3, 2007, 09:45 AM
It's good to keep an eye on these boys, however, in order for them to really flourish and come up to the standards of our top three, they will need to be nurtured, be it through camps abroad, camps with foreign bowling coaches or NCA stints with Sarwar Imran. They have to be monitored constantly, and if the current resources to ensure that they get what they need are proved insufficient, the board should look into alternatives. What I'm getting at, I guess, is a specialized program geared SOLELY to the development of fast bowling/bowlers, where anything and everything will revolve around this art, day in day out and throughout the year. We can't rely on these boys to turn themselves into world class players without sufficient external help.

Murad
November 3, 2007, 11:13 AM
We are praising Sajidul just the way we've praised Shahjada last year. Last year he was a hero, this year he's a Zero. So I think we have to wait till he gets into the A-team and show good performances and only after that we could judge how good he's. However, I have to admit he's a good prospect for future. So wait & see how far he can go.

Kabir
November 3, 2007, 03:28 PM
I agree with Murad bhai completely. Domestic competition can only prove your worth that you can be moved to the next level. Whether you'll success in the next level is a completely different story.

Eshen
November 12, 2007, 10:03 AM
After his 7 wickets burst in the NCL, I say Dollar Mahmud has very much secured the 4th pacer spot in the Bangladesh squad for NZ tour. Other than Talha, no other rising pacer in NCL (Sajid, Robin, Shahzada, etc) has as much as experience at A-team/Academy level as Dollar does which also gives Dollar a big edge over others.

http://www.newagebd.com/2007/jan/11/spt-b.jpg

http://tigercricket.com/pgallery/dollar_71107.jpg

Dhurr
November 13, 2007, 05:58 AM
No wonder I love this thread. Great analysis by Aritro, Eshen and scoilaheez.

tonoy
November 13, 2007, 09:09 AM
All three of Barisal's pacers are quite the finds. Barisal also has a good one day pacer.HIs name starts with a s.... cant remember it.

SS
November 13, 2007, 11:06 AM
Previously, due to the NCL's quality, I personally never give this much attention for pacers' accomplishments. As I do not have sufficient information that prior leagues also had great pacers who brought into National team limelight, I can not be satisfied enough with NCL league performance of our pacers, who will be considered as our obvious bowling attack reserve especially for international level.
When we will get assurance from a top quality bowling coach regarding the quality of the pacers, I can add them to my wish list beyond our current fast bowling stocks.
But I am glad that many pacers are working hard to be competitive and eligible for their calls to the team.

incredible
November 13, 2007, 11:24 AM
This Sumon Shaha looks tall ...any info on him ..is he quick ...the quote says he is aggressive

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/318642.html

if the pic doesn't open
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/318642.html

abu2abu
November 16, 2007, 06:16 AM
I've enjoyed reading this thread. My thoughts:

Mohammed sharif: wasn't this the same chap who played against India in the test series in May? If so, he's probably between 5'8" - 5'10", he certainly doesn't look anywhere near 6 foot plus!

Height of fast bowlers: I don't think you have to be tall to be a great fast bowler (though it does help!). Malcolm Marshall is far from an exception, Tino Best, Fidel Edwards, darren gough and lasith Malinga are all examples of great fast bowlers who are below average height (though I concede both Edwards and Gough are probably not short by BD standards). So there's hope for tapash yet...

Rifat
November 17, 2007, 03:06 PM
try Rezaul Haque.

abu2abu
November 20, 2007, 06:13 AM
Anyone know anything about Shubashis Roy? He's described by Rabeed Imam on cricinfo as "the big, burly Bangladesh U-19 fast bowler... With an action similar to Lance Klusener"....

sadi
November 20, 2007, 09:27 AM
Shubashis surprised everyone when Sylhet decided to give him a chance in their division side. He picked up 6 wkts in four day game if I am not mistaken. Right now, he is touring Pakistan with Bangladesh under-19 team.

Eshen
November 20, 2007, 10:08 AM
Anyone know anything about Shubashis Roy? He's described by Rabeed Imam on cricinfo as "the big, burly Bangladesh U-19 fast bowler... With an action similar to Lance Klusener"....
Shubashis Roy was found during 2005 GP pacer hunt. He was recorded bowling at 80 mph. He was only 16 years old at that time. He is originally from Rangpur.

http://tigercricket.com/pgallery/Shovashis-Roy-after-H-Sarka.jpg

abu2abu
November 20, 2007, 10:17 AM
Thanks for the picture eshen. I have to say from that he doesn't look overly "burly"! maybe "burly by bangladeshi standards" would have been a more appropriate description from Rabeed Imam!

abu2abu
November 20, 2007, 10:22 AM
Also, while 80mph is impressive we should bear in mind that in international cricket 85mph+ is considered express. England's young guns (Sajid Mahmood and liam plunkettt) not to mention shaun tait regularly clock up 90mph and this is what our bowlers too should aspire to...

SS
November 26, 2007, 04:07 PM
And the final answer his Nazmul Hossain.

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/DB/112004/055674.icon.jpg (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/nzvbdesh/content/image/196313.html)

Aritro
January 14, 2009, 11:51 AM
Looks like we found a better final answer ;)

Gowza
January 14, 2009, 04:34 PM
rubel did pretty well in his first ODI, as for the fast bowling depth well i think there is a decent bunch of pacers e.g. subashis, robiul, delwar, sajidul, ziaur

Miraz
December 14, 2011, 07:19 AM
I think we should have a look at Kazi Kamrul Islam. he has been pretty consistent at FC level. 120 wickets @ 26.31. He is a decent left arm seamer. He is 24 years old, so not a newbie. He can't do worse than what Shahadat and others are doing at the moment.

First-Class Career Bowling (2005/06-2011/12)
Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM SRate Econ
Chittagong Division 6408 245 3158 120 6-55 26.31 3 0 53.40 2.95

Cricket archive link (http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/99/99043/99043.html)

Cricinfo Profile (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55961.html)

Gowza
December 14, 2011, 07:42 AM
what on earth has happened to subashis roy? i don't see him playing this NCL comp. also sajidul did have a lot of potential not sure what he's like now....and there are a couple of young ones who have done extremely well this NCL comp.

but as you say kamrul has been on the radar for awhile and he's been doing pretty done so maybe it's his time.

al-Sagar
December 14, 2011, 10:50 PM
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what about these two ???

lamisa
December 15, 2011, 09:46 AM
^^^ the one on the right is ok, but the one on the left is faltu! :P

BASSMAN
December 15, 2011, 12:02 PM
MTV fully faltu??