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DJ Sahastra
May 26, 2007, 01:11 PM
Every other member seems to be of the opinion that the decision to field after winning the toss is responsible for the woeful condition BD team is in, as far as this test goes.

I beg to differ.

The decision to field first had minor, if at all any, impact on this test. In fact, it was a courageous decision with very aggressive intents.

The major impact was the following:

1. Uninspired bowling by the BD bowlers
2. Heartless and gutless batting by the top-5 batsman
3. Unimaginative field placement by the BD captain

in contrast with

4. Good Solid batting by the India Batsman
5. Inspired bowling by the India bowlers
6. Good positive captaincy by Dravid

Both teams have one thing in common though - Butter-fingered fielders with shoddy catching.

Miraz
May 26, 2007, 01:19 PM
Every other member seems to be of the opinion that the decision to field after winning the toss is responsible for the woeful condition BD team is, as far as this test goes.

I beg to differ.

Decision to filed first had minor, if at all any impact on this test. In fact, it was a courageous decision with very aggressive intents.

The major impact was the following:

1. Uninspired bowling by the BD bowlers
2. Heartless and gutless batting by the top-5 batsman
3. Unimaginative field placement by the BD captain

in contrast with

4. Good Solid batting by the India Batsman
5. Inspired bowling by the India bowlers
6. Good positive captaincy by Dravid

Both teams have one thing in common though - Butter-fingered fielders with shoddy catching.

DJ, you can always differ.

Read my opinion here,

Bangladesh vs India, Second Test : When whimsy dominate over common sense (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=21608)

Now, you are overlooking the biggest factor here, the hot and humid weather of Mirpur. Fielding two long days in that condition was way too much for Bangladesh, who were struggling with fitness even in Chittagong Test (5 squad memebr had high fever). To remind you BD has finished a long tour and straight into the series without rest.

Secondly, why on earth you will give the opportunity to the opponents to use the batting paradise first and get toiled under the sun?

Thirdly, I have seen Dravid's captaincy in Chittagong Test and in many other Tests, he is definitely positive than Bashar, but nothing extraordinary. In fact all other Test captains of cricket are way more positive than Bashar. If you have 610 runs on board and your bowler take wicket in the first ball, you have the luxury to set field as attacking as you want.

It's always easy to bowl with aggression and inspiration if you have a good total on the board.

I just hope, BD can bat the whole day tomorrow, you will see the body reaction of the Indians at the end of the day. Bangladesh had to go through this pain for two long days, when they had a better option to chose.

Toss ended Bangladesh's game right from the beginning.

Russell2k7
May 26, 2007, 01:21 PM
Decision to field first had some effect on the woeful nature we are in if not a lot. But what I think is the fact that after we play a good or decent game--- in the next matches we play very very poorly. Like after beating IND we played very stupidly and then after beating SA we played like even more stupidly apart from the bowling effort against ENG.

And yes no one can deny the batting effort by the Indian team if not the bowling. And yes our captain is very Habla. And yes Dravid is a excellent player and a captain.

Russell2k7
May 26, 2007, 01:26 PM
Now, you are overlooking the biggest factor here, the hot and humid weather of Mirpur. Fielding two long days in that condition was way too much for Bangladesh, who were struggling with fitness even in Chittagong Test (5 squad memebr had high fever). To remind you BD has finished a long tour and straight into the series without rest.
What you say is very very true but we cannot use this as a excuse. For example, its apparent that we cannot play in faster track but I dont think we can use fast track as a excuse. The fact of the matter is that it was a pathetic performance by our team. Now the case about rest. Well in the first test Mash and Rajib bowled. And even after bowling they went and scored more runs than most of our top orders combined. And seriously tiredness should not be an excuse after stalling 7-4 start.

Rajowana
May 26, 2007, 01:29 PM
They need to choose to bat first more often

Russell2k7
May 26, 2007, 01:31 PM
^^ yes thats why commentators said that we are not confident yet. And also said that Bashar basically has no clue about test cricket.

Miraz
May 26, 2007, 01:32 PM
What you say is very very true but we cannot use this as a excuse. For example, its apparent that we cannot play in faster track but I dont think we can use fast track as a excuse. The fact of the matter is that it was a pathetic performance by our team. Now the case about rest. Well in the first test Mash and Rajib bowled. And even after bowling they went and scored more runs than most of our top orders combined. And seriously tiredness should not be an excuse after stalling 7-4 start.

Taking correct decision is a part of the game. DJ asked whether toss played avital role or not.

After winning toss if you can make correct decision, you can send the opponents under the sun to physically exhaust them (keping condition in mind) and enjoy batting on a good surface. On the contrary, we decided to get exhausted under the sun and offered the best part of the surface (first two day) to the opponents. And we did it when we are depleted in bowling strength.

Does it make any sense?

Rajowana
May 26, 2007, 01:33 PM
^^ yes thats why commentators said that we are not confident yet. And also said that Bashar basically has no clue about test cricket.

ye they need to be more confident.And hablu dunno wat to say about him.

WarWolf
May 26, 2007, 01:33 PM
DJ test cricket is a psychological game along with technique. Miraz bhai already pointed major problems that affected our batting today. I just wanna add a few lines here.

We have very few good options for fast bowlers. Loosing Shahadat in this game was a big blow that took us to backfoot. None of Russel or Sharif was upto the mark. Mashrafee was good, but still he was suffering from injury for which he was not much succesful to produce wicket taking deliveries.

Fielding was very bad indeed. We dropped 4 easy chances and in one occasion Harper gave a 100% wrong decision. You can say everything went wrong for Bangladesh in India's first inning.

BD is still in learning phase of test cricket. And with this series they are back to test cricket after 13 months. Such a long term break can even affect performance of Aussies, don't you agree?

When such a young and inexperienced team go to back foot with a big ton of 610 runs, it's natural that their batting may collapse. But yet none of the wicket was very cheap. Indian bowler along with fielders did well to earn those wicket.

So here you see when you lost your chance to bat on a easy batting track and your opponent took 100% of it, who would you blame? I think toss was really a vital factor.

One last thing. The body language of BD players showed that their moral might have been very low. This may be an outcome of the toss factor. This is natural, you know, for a young team.

Spitfire_x86
May 26, 2007, 01:39 PM
Even if we batted first, a batting disaster was very much possible. At least then game would start at 0-0, and it would give us a fair chance of doing better.

The decision almost completely destroyed the possiblity of a competitive match. It's a totally different match when you start batting trailing by 610 runs, and after 2 exhausting days at the field. Both of the Indian openers were forced to retire yesterday. It gives a clear idea about the playing condition.

Russell2k7
May 26, 2007, 01:39 PM
Right. I know we are a much better team then what we showed in the second test. I hope Bahsar along side with the Team management gets kicked out soon or we might find ourselves in a self-destructive path.

Rajowana
May 26, 2007, 01:41 PM
Even if we batted first, a batting disaster was very much possible. At least then game would start at 0-0, and it would give us a fair chance of doing better.

The decision almost completely destroyed the possiblity of a competitive match. It's a totally different match when you start batting trailing by 610 runs, and after 2 exhausting days at the field. Both of the Indian openers were forced to retire yesterday. It gives a clear idea about the playing condition.

ye true it's too hot to play and they were fielding for two days

DJ Sahastra
May 26, 2007, 01:44 PM
I don't buy the whole "If we had batted first" argument for a simple reason that the converse was an equal probability - if not more - of BD batsman scoring poorly batting. Equally probable was the case that India would've had lost couple of early wickets - Karthik & Jaffer - and would've struggled to reach 300. With only only Sachin, Ganguly & Dravid as the accomplished batsman Indian batting does run thin.

BD Batting first may or may not have altered the equation or the situation.

First day first session of any Test usually has something for bowlers and i have seen many instances where teams have put the opponents in first on a dead-track to use that whatever little help. On such belters, couple of wickets early can have a big impact.

Both the BD & the Indian team went with 3 pace-bowlers means they had some information about the early life in the pitch. Otherwise, why India wouldn't pick up Rajesh Pawar and why BD wouldn't pick up another specialist spinner is beyond anyone's understanding.

Spitfire_x86
May 26, 2007, 01:45 PM
Right. I know we are a much better team then what we showed in the second test. I hope Bahsar along side with the Team management gets kicked out soon or we might find ourselves in a self-destructive path.
We are desperately in need of a mass clean out. It has been long since the last one (2003 WC).

DJ Sahastra
May 26, 2007, 01:51 PM
Even if we batted first, a batting disaster was very much possible. At least then game would start at 0-0, and it would give us a fair chance of doing better.

The decision almost completely destroyed the possiblity of a competitive match. It's a totally different match when you start batting trailing by 610 runs, and after 2 exhausting days at the field. Both of the Indian openers were forced to retire yesterday. It gives a clear idea about the playing condition.

Spitfire,

I am inclined to think that quite a lot of reasoning and discussion would've gone inside the BD think-tank when they decided to opt for fielding first.

Also, in the worst case, it was a wrong call. That still doesn't take away that it should not have such a massive impact going into day-3.

Spitfire_x86
May 26, 2007, 01:51 PM
Both the BD & the Indian team went with 3 pace-bowlers means they had some information about the early life in the pitch. Otherwise, why India wouldn't pick up Rajesh Pawar and why BD wouldn't pick up another specialist spinner is beyond anyone's understanding.
India just stuck to their strategy of playing 5 bowlers (3 pacers + 2 spinners). If both spinners are fit, then you don't need a third one. We rarely see test attacks with 3 specialist spinners. For India it makes sense to play with 3 pacers, since they were going to play 5 bowlers anyway.

syzygy
May 26, 2007, 01:53 PM
all bd batsman batted like habla.their bowlers bowled like habla. and their fielders also fielded like habla. so winning or losing toss makes no sense to me.even batting first they would say oh it rained last night, so why did habla decided to bat first in such conditions.u know wat all they have is this loser mentality so instead of blaming the players they will blame weather etc etc.the fact is they are still new borns in test cricket and they will always cry like a baby whenever situation is adverse.i am not surprised..anyway another 2 days and no more crying till sri lanka series begins.

Spitfire_x86
May 26, 2007, 01:57 PM
Also, in the worst case, it was a wrong call. That still doesn't take away that it should not have such a massive impact going into day-3.
Check the scorecard of our first home test against Australia. You will see what can happen to a tired batting line-up, even if they are the best in the world. Nobody except Gilly got runs in that match.

Miraz
May 26, 2007, 02:00 PM
DJ, nobody is denying that India played much better cricket in this Test.

Our toss blunder made that difference even bigger. We are supposed to reduce the gap and take every opportunity available. We handed the gift to the Indians and they are good enough to exploit that.

Protic
May 26, 2007, 02:00 PM
No, not really.. if we had batted first..we didnt had to atleast score 400 to avoid ANY FOLLOW on..and thats PRESSURE.

DJ Sahastra
May 26, 2007, 02:01 PM
"Now, you are overlooking the biggest factor here, the hot and humid weather of Mirpur. Fielding two long days in that condition was way too much for Bangladesh, who were struggling with fitness even in Chittagong Test (5 squad memebr had high fever)."

It applies equally or more to the Indian team. The two days in the field didn't have to be. With only 4 specialist batsman (and 2 keepers), Indian batting ran thin and i can see why BD Team management felt that an early shot (and a couple of early wickets) would be advantageous. If BD team stayed on field for 2 days, the bowlers are responsible.

"Secondly, why on earth you will give the opportunity to the opponents to use the batting paradise first and get toiled under the sun?"

To use the advantage of any early-life in the pitch. The batting paradise was supposed to have something for bowlers early on.

"Thirdly, I have seen Dravid's captaincy in Chittagong Test and in many other Tests, he is definitely positive than Bashar, but nothing extraordinary. In fact all other Test captains of cricket are way more positive than Bashar."

Fair point. I only said that Dravid's captaincy was positive.

"If you have 610 runs on board and your bowler take wicket in the first ball, you have the luxury to set field as attacking as you want."

The whole point - India shouldn't have been allowed to score 610. And on the batting-paradise that we are told it is, there can be no excuse for 4 top-order batsman going back to pavilion within the first-5 overs and before the score reaches double digits.

"I just hope, BD can bat the whole day tomorrow, you will see the body reaction of the Indians at the end of the day."

I guess that's the part of their job. I mean, come on Miraz. The average road-digger toils harder and for far far less :). And in same hot-humid condition and minus all the care. The overpaid, overfed and fattebed cows (Indian cricketers) should be the last one complaining about a hard-days work :). If their body-reaction is anything other than "Lets get them tomorrow", they'll be damned!

"Toss ended Bangladesh's game right from the beginning."

That i don't agree. Toss only threw options and possibilities. It couldn't have ended the game - no way.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

jawaherul
May 26, 2007, 02:03 PM
miraz vai , spot on .

nothing more to say

habfreak
May 26, 2007, 02:04 PM
I agree DJ...truth is India has outclassed us as badly as I've ever seen a team being outclassed! The toss might have made a difference...but not significant enough to turn this match!

DJ Sahastra
May 26, 2007, 02:05 PM
For India it makes sense to play with 3 pacers, since they were going to play 5 bowlers anyway.

If the pitch was gonna be so dead, it always made more sense for the India team to play 3-specialist spinners.

I suspect both sides read the pitch to have something for the pace-bowlers.

cricket_pagol
May 26, 2007, 02:06 PM
Correlating the toss with our batting failure is not fair. Our batsmen sucked and that's the reason behind our batting collapse.

If we batted first, I don't think we would have collapsed like this. But, the way the they played last evening, I don't have confidence in my judgment anymore.

DJ Sahastra
May 26, 2007, 02:15 PM
Habfreak,

I am not dwelling on Indian team's performance. They really haven't played anything to make me feel confident that they'll do good in England.

For example - dropping 3 catches is inexcusable. Let tinga team get away from follow-on when only 2 wickets left and 40 runs to get - inexcusable (BD could've still drawn the match and quite easily too, given the weather, but that's a different issue). Sachin's batting struggle- inexcusable. And so on.

I just feel that we are beating Habla too much and giving way too much (dis)credit to his decision to field first.

Spitfire_x86
May 26, 2007, 02:16 PM
If the pitch was gonna be so dead, it always made more sense for the India team to play 3-specialist spinners.

I suspect both sides read the pitch to have something for the pace-bowlers.
IIRC, the last time India played with 3 spinners is more than 9 years ago. Link (http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1997-98/AUS_IN_IND/AUS_IND_T2_18-22MAR1998.html)

This pitch is certainly no Kolkata minefield. Last year Australia also fielded a 5 man bowling attack here in both tests (3 pacer + 2 spinner). It makes more sense to play 3 pacers (if you're going to play 5 bowlers) simply for the fact that a pacer can't bowl too many overs in a row under such stressful playing condition.

Hatebreed
May 26, 2007, 02:40 PM
India played very well no doubt in making the most out of this pitch. However, batting first might have given us a better chance, not only because the pitch condition will deteriorate in the next 2 days, but also trailing by 600+ runs is a huge pressure on any side.

In test I feel we are better off batting first and giving ourselves a chance to put the pressure on the opponent. Think about the match against Australia.Winning the toss and choosing to field was a huge mistake, and a clear sign of our loser mentality.

smashyboy
May 26, 2007, 03:15 PM
Two reasons

1) Probably BD think tank thought only first day of first morning the pitch will help bowlers so he decided to bowl.

2) or he thought BD might collapse in a day under slightly favorable conditions and India will get to bat when the wicket is at its best(2nd day, 3rd day).

Either way i don't think this toss decision was made without any logical thinking. Had BD fielders stuck to their catches it might have been different. If BD had opted to bat first and get bowled in a day then people would blame he should have chosen fielding. On the hindsight it looks a stupid decision.

Reason for poor show is Mortaza's lack of fitness, shoait hussain's absence, Rafique's predictable bowling and sharif's affinity to pitch the ball wide outside the off stump not giving himself a chance to take wicket. Above all pitch is absolutely flat. They needed to take their catches. They put down simple chances. Add factors like lack of Test match experience, poor field setting by Bashar. There are multiple reasons for this debacle. Toss decision is one among them. But that is not the biggest reason.

Tokai
May 26, 2007, 05:00 PM
Are we giving too much credit? well, we'll have to find some excuse, right? Even more, it does have some merit.

Sohel
May 26, 2007, 05:35 PM
They need to choose to bat first more often

WG grace would've concurred with you... we also SUCKED at everything.

istiak
May 26, 2007, 05:48 PM
I don't buy the whole "If we had batted first" argument for a simple reason that the converse was an equal probability - if not more - of BD batsman scoring poorly batting. Equally probable was the case that India would've had lost couple of early wickets - Karthik & Jaffer - and would've struggled to reach 300. With only only Sachin, Ganguly & Dravid as the accomplished batsman Indian batting does run thin.

BD Batting first may or may not have altered the equation or the situation.

I really didn't get your point. Batting after two days of fielding at 35 degrees with 90% humidity was already very difficult. But chaseing 600+ runs is never easy in test cricket.

syzygy
May 26, 2007, 05:55 PM
I really didn't get your point. Batting after two days of fielding at 35 degrees with 90% humidity was already very difficult. But chaseing 600+ runs is never easy in test cricket.

then wat were the bd bowlers doing that allowed india to score 610/3?? was nt the pitch looked so easy then? :onethephone:

Sohel
May 26, 2007, 05:59 PM
then wat were the bd bowlers doing that allowed india to score 610/3?? was nt the pitch looked so easy then? :onethephone:

two questions bro: -

1) how good is nepalese compared to say, bhutia or afghan cricket, ps2 and xbox versions don't count?

2) i heard that the maoist sympathizers tend to support BD, and the traditional petit bourgeoisie india, is that true?

Cryin Out
May 26, 2007, 06:17 PM
Blaming Bashar for the toss decision, while fair, glosses over the fact that it is only one reason for Bangladesh's current situation in this test.

To be successful in tests you have to be able to fight long and hard from positions of adversity. This is true for any team, not just BD. So far in that match that hasn't happened. And, if it were my team, that is what would worry me more than a wrong decision made by the captain on a winning toss.

Your captain made a wrong decision on the toss. So what? Where was the support from his players? Why have the bowling and the batting gone missing?

It would worry me more that Bashar hasn't played a captain's innings so far, rather than his making a wrong toss decision.

It would worry me that BD bowlers took only 3 wickets in 2 days, not that Bashar made a wrong toss decision.

It would worry me that BD's leading batsmen got out cheaply in the first innings, more than the fact that Bashar made a wrong toss decision.

Today you can blame a wrong decision to field first. But in future tests your future captain might make a correct decision on the toss. And if you still lose, what/whom will you blame? There will be other times when BD players are expected to fight from a position of disadvantage. If that doesn't happen, what/whom will you blame?

If your team does not again show grit and the ability to fight back from this point onwards, that's when you should start really worrying.

It is the same type of reasoning that irritates me when I hear my some of my fellow Indians say that we were a far superior team than Bangladesh in the recent WC ODIs and deserved to win. But our players took things too easy.

No we were not, and no we did not deserve to win. Check the scorecard. BD won. And if our players took it too easy that is their fault. BD was the better team then and BD deserved to win.

These are things that should worry you more than a wrong toss decision by the captain. They point to a deeper malaise that should be tackled first.

Ganesh
May 26, 2007, 07:33 PM
IIRC, the last time India played with 3 spinners is more than 9 years ago. Link (http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/1997-98/AUS_IN_IND/AUS_IND_T2_18-22MAR1998.html)


You are not recalling correctly then. India did play 3 spinners in Mumbai 2004, Chennai 2001 games against Australia. India routinely uses 3 spinners vs Australia as an attacks consisting of 3 spinners always have troubled Australia. Happened in 1996 as well. For other teams India uses 2 spinners and two seamers. The Calcutta game which you posted wasn't a minefield by any stretch. Indian batsmen comfortably tackled Warne and co.

Ganesh
May 26, 2007, 07:45 PM
If the pitch was gonna be so dead, it always made more sense for the India team to play 3-specialist spinners.

I suspect both sides read the pitch to have something for the pace-bowlers.

So far as Indian captain goes, he seems to have read that, this pitch could assist his seamers which proved right!

Anyway, I agree that making toss decision an issue is a bit subcontinental. Actually, prior to this series, I have known only Indians complain about their captain's decision to bat or bowl after winning the toss. Most sides don't complain about such decisions. If your side bowls well, bowling first after winning the toss is a non-issue. If the top order bats well and see off testing conditions early on, batting first is non issue. Odd games are heavily loaded in favor of side winning the toss(like WC SF 1996). Even there, it is very hard to see pitch crumbling or improving at the time of the toss. Not that I am in favor of or against Bashar being captain, but, BD fans would do well not to learn this bad habit of complaining over the toss decisions from Indian fans.

Alien
May 26, 2007, 07:52 PM
Now, you are overlooking the biggest factor here, the hot and humid weather of Mirpur. Fielding two long days in that condition was way too much for Bangladesh, who were struggling with fitness even in Chittagong Test (5 squad memebr had high fever). To remind you BD has finished a long tour and straight into the series without rest.


Though i kind of agree with the fitness and weather impact, coming back from a long tour is simply no excuse for such performances.

cricket_king
May 26, 2007, 07:55 PM
Even if bangladesh batted first, they would have managed to turn that perfect flat track into a bowling paradise when the indians bowl. There's no point in blaming the toss. I myself blamed the toss for our poor performance. But the point is bangladesh just cant seem to play tests. I've never been this disappointed with them. Face it people......the indians are right. The toss was not a factor. Rain was. Rain is the only thing that stands between a crushing victory for india and a lucky escape for bangladesh.

Murad
May 26, 2007, 08:02 PM
Two reasons

1) Probably BD think tank thought only first day of first morning the pitch will help bowlers so he decided to bowl.


he thought its an ODI.. moisture in the morning helps to take some early wickets.. harami ekta

syzygy
May 26, 2007, 08:04 PM
Even if bangladesh batted first, they would have managed to turn that perfect flat track into a bowling paradise when the indians bowl. There's no point in blaming the toss. I myself blamed the toss for our poor performance. But the point is bangladesh just cant seem to play tests. I've never been this disappointed with them. Face it people......the indians are right. The toss was not a factor. Rain was. Rain is the only thing that stands between a crushing victory for india and a lucky escape for bangladesh.

yes u r now talking like a real cricket king, at least not giving excuses like mr z L-)

Spitfire_x86
May 26, 2007, 08:05 PM
You are not recalling correctly then. India did play 3 spinners in Mumbai 2004, Chennai 2001 games against Australia. India routinely uses 3 spinners vs Australia as an attacks consisting of 3 spinners always have troubled Australia. Happened in 1996 as well. For other teams India uses 2 spinners and two seamers. The Calcutta game which you posted wasn't a minefield by any stretch. Indian batsmen comfortably tackled Warne and co.
Thanks for the correction.

Huda
May 27, 2007, 12:56 AM
We are desperately in need of a mass clean out. It has been long since the last one (2003 WC).

Completely agree. Our BATSMEN DO NOT HAVE TECHNIQUE for test cricket, you can talk about the toss etc, but does that affect the batsmen inability to get decent scores? no, we have seen it many times our batsmen every one of them, even the new players that come in, if anything is wrong in the pitch sometimes never mind nothing being wrong with the pitch, they just play away from the body, no feet movement, stuck at the crease, or try to hit 4's and 6's every ball. Senseless cricket. We need a batting coach at all levels of cricket and especially for the senior team ASAP.

laki
May 27, 2007, 05:25 AM
To be successful in tests you have to be able to fight long and hard from positions of adversity. This is true for any team, not just BD.
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These are things that should worry you more than a wrong toss decision by the captain. They point to a deeper malaise that should be tackled first.

I agree wholeheartedly with this opinion expressed by Mr. Cryin out.

Tigers_eye
May 27, 2007, 08:55 AM
DJ,
You don't have to believe us. But don't you listen to TV experts from neutral country? Jeremy Cooley and others of sky sports, the commentators what were they saying all throughout the match?

Better yet what was the coach saying? Good luck with your new coach.

zohra
May 27, 2007, 10:57 AM
DJ, you can always differ.

Read my opinion here,

Bangladesh vs India, Second Test : When whimsy dominate over common sense (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=21608)

Now, you are overlooking the biggest factor here, the hot and humid weather of Mirpur. Fielding two long days in that condition was way too much for Bangladesh, who were struggling with fitness even in Chittagong Test (5 squad memebr had high fever). To remind you BD has finished a long tour and straight into the series without rest.

Secondly, why on earth you will give the opportunity to the opponents to use the batting paradise first and get toiled under the sun?

Thirdly, I have seen Dravid's captaincy in Chittagong Test and in many other Tests, he is definitely positive than Bashar, but nothing extraordinary. In fact all other Test captains of cricket are way more positive than Bashar. If you have 610 runs on board and your bowler take wicket in the first ball, you have the luxury to set field as attacking as you want.

It's always easy to bowl with aggression and inspiration if you have a good total on the board.

I just hope, BD can bat the whole day tomorrow, you will see the body reaction of the Indians at the end of the day. Bangladesh had to go through this pain for two long days, when they had a better option to chose.

Toss ended Bangladesh's game right from the beginning.

Hahah..cmon dude..what if you had lost the toss....??:doh: :doh:
Toss is factor no doubt...but please don;' be a cry-baby like so many on this forums...whining about not winning..

Kabir
May 27, 2007, 11:04 AM
Hahah..cmon dude..what if you had lost the toss....??:doh: :doh:
Toss is factor no doubt...but please don;' be a cry-baby like so many on this forums...whining about not winning..

Correction. You guys whine too much, and can beat us anyday.

And a bigger correction, nobody's whinning about not winning. Everyone's whinning about bad performance from our side. So stay away from it...it's our side we're talking about.

zohra
May 27, 2007, 12:51 PM
Correction. You guys whine too much, and can beat us anyday.

And a bigger correction, nobody's whinning about not winning. Everyone's whinning about bad performance from our side. So stay away from it...it's our side we're talking about.

Why the hell would we whine man?? we are just very very happy that we showed you the place where you belong to..the very bottom..:wave: :wave: ...and why's that..because you guys had forgotten it after you got lucky in the world cup... ....you guys are whining about the toss and umpiring ..this whole thread is about toss...not performance...

Sorry
May 27, 2007, 12:52 PM
Although there have other areas of weakness been exposed beside a wrong decision to field first, conceding 600+ runs have moral impact on player’s mind.
Dravid would not be setting up that attacking field unless he had those runs in the bag to play for. Batting first could have given our batsmen a chance to play against orthodox field placement. 5/6 fielders at slip almost set batsmen’s mind occupied in a capital punishment prison cell.

zohra
May 27, 2007, 12:55 PM
Although there have other areas of weakness been exposed beside a wrong decision to field first, conceding 600+ runs have moral impact on player’s mind.
Dravid would not be setting up that attacking field unless he had those runs in the bag to play for. Batting first could have given our batsmen a chance to play against orthodox field placement. 5/6 fielders at slip almost set batsmen’s mind occupied in a capital punishment prison cell.

This is called minnow talk...man BD team was fricking humiliated ..and you said areas of weaknesses...dude everything was weak..batting,bowling,fielding,captaining....

Kabir
May 27, 2007, 12:56 PM
Why the hell would we whine man?? we are just very very happy that we showed you the place where you belong to..the very bottom..:wave: :wave: ...and why's that..because you guys had forgotten it after you got lucky in the world cup... ....you guys are whining about the toss and umpiring ..this whole thread is about toss...not performance...

Zohra...talking lousy is your way of approaching this. What fun do you get in doing this?

Be decent here. You're a troll...and everyone realizes it. I just don't understand how the admins are being so nice to you by letting you go like this.

And as for the place we belong to, you were there just a few days ago. This is not your original place...you belong to the place where you were in the WC...the VERY bottom.

And one last thing. Try to be decent. It doesn't take much. And the last thing you wanna do is be uninvited in this forum...this is the place for decent people. To fit that category, you gotta work a little on your brain.

Sorry
May 27, 2007, 01:22 PM
I agree with you. Lets hang all BD players in public, ebong shob minnow BD fan der nengta kore, mathar chool kamayia, rasthar moddhe dhulai dei, finally scrap off BD test status.
Does that make you happy?

This is called minnow talk...man BD team was fricking humiliated ..and you said areas of weaknesses...dude everything was weak..batting,bowling,fielding,captaining....

zohra
May 27, 2007, 01:23 PM
Zohra...talking lousy is your way of approaching this. What fun do you get in doing this?

Be decent here. You're a troll...and everyone realizes it. I just don't understand how the admins are being so nice to you by letting you go like this.

And as for the place we belong to, you were there just a few days ago. This is not your original place...you belong to the place where you were in the WC...the VERY bottom.

And one last thing. Try to be decent. It doesn't take much. And the last thing you wanna do is be uninvited in this forum...this is the place for decent people. To fit that category, you gotta work a little on your brain.

There a few hundred BD trolls right here...if you don't realize that, maybe you need to work little on your brain too...one victory and everyone was trashing india like they are nothing...now when we made the BD team fricking cry in the field, its a nice feeling...anyways, the series is over, India returns undefeated from the tour, BD has been shown its real place (bottom) (you all know it in your hearts...cmon admit it dudes :lol: :lol: ).As for being decent and all, all I have to say is

[Admin.edit: uncalled for]

zohra
May 27, 2007, 01:25 PM
I agree with you. Lets hang all BD players in public, ebong shob minnow BD fan der nengta kore, mathar chool kamayia, rasthar moddhe dhulai dei, finally scrap off BD test status.
Does that make you happy?

Oh cmon, do you think i am barbaric ...i was just telling you to accept the fact that BD is at bottom in test cricket, :big_hug:

CricTiger
May 27, 2007, 01:32 PM
Hold off your horse?? We all are unfortunate to watch this pathetic shows from our players. But we have to go through this process few more years as we are still in the learning mode.
Having said that, winning the toss and opted not to bat… unbelievable. Either Bashar should region from Captaincy for Test too or Board should sack him.

Sorry
May 27, 2007, 01:45 PM
I don’t think you are barbaric, I think you are a Barbie, a cynical BD cricket loving doll.
The words like minnow, trolls etc. are not factual.
Lets not get personal.

Oh cmon, do you think i am barbaric ...i was just telling you to accept the fact that BD is at bottom in test cricket, :big_hug:

Rajowana
May 27, 2007, 01:49 PM
I don’t think you are barbaric, I think you are a Barbie, a cynical BD cricket loving doll.
The words like minnow, trolls etc. are not factual.
Lets not get personal.

hahahaha a barbie lolz:floor:

Zunaid
May 27, 2007, 02:11 PM
To everyone... Please maintain decency and reflect upon the forum rules. No need to get too testy. Please. As a lay user.

Murad
May 27, 2007, 02:56 PM
bcb is gonna take action on Bashar, Dav and Faruq.

They are goin to find out who was behind the toss... they are goin to meet today at 5 pm for that reason as they are not taking it lighly.. If any one of them is proved to be behind the toss.. will face serious punishment..

i think its all good move..

http://www.shamokal.com/details.php?nid=62358