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pilot fan
May 27, 2007, 11:15 AM
i feel that even though we have had two dissapointing test matches our team for the future is begining to shape up, we now have 6 0r seven players that are now estblished and have poroved that they can perform on the international sence

1) ? - still no answer to this position think we need to look at merhab jr as Javed is coming to the end of his test career now

2) ? - Tamim in proberly next in line to have a go but please do not discount nefees as i am sure he will get his form back in the future

3) ? - with basher on his way we now have a chance to blood a new number 3 in the test side i feel that tusher is a big possibilty for this role along with nefees who io feel may benifit from coming in one down

4) RAJIN SALEH - i am a big fan of his and he relly impressed me in this series with his technique and his consistent perfromances, i feel that he is going to be great test player in the future as he has a good tempermentand can bat for a long periods of time, but he needs to start converting starts into big score

5) ASH - Is so gifted and i feel that in the last year or so he has made big strides to fullfilling his talent that he so clearly has, needs to learn when it is time to play stokes and when it is time to defend, will be our next skipper which will test his performance with the bat

6) Sakib - this kidd is special has had a decnent series with the bat making starts in all three occasions and has shown that he does have the temperment to be a good test player, very risty and good player of spin needs to play the pace bowlers better, his bowling will develop and he is an outstanding fielder

7) RAHIM - lets face it, its only a matter of ktime before he displaces pilot, this lad has impressed me with his batting in the one days and i am sure that in time he will grow to be one of the best keeper batsman in the world, his keeping is improving all the time and he brings a lot of energy to the side

8) MORTAZA - i no that he is batting rather low at the moment but i fear that if he bats any higher he may crack under the pressure and loose some of his bowling capabilty, he is a class bowler who would get in most test sides and his batting recently has been outstanding, needs to steer clear of injures and make the most of the new ball

9) RAFIQUE - seems to be going on for ever at the momnet, a very reliable bowler but he needs to give the ball more air when he is bolwing to get wickets, batting is a good wepon to have lower down the order but age is not on his side

10) ? - no answer yet enmal has dissapointed in the 1st test and rasel and sherif do not look like test bowlers to be, dollar mamud is being tipped for the future but we shall have to wait to see, i would love to have an off spinner to varey the attack

11) SHADAT - this guy is the agressive fast bowler that we need, hurries the batsman and allways gives 100% needs to bowl a more consistant line but has it in him to be one of the great fast bowlers of all time

Aritro
May 27, 2007, 11:18 AM
I'm very curious to see how Dolar bowls in the next U/19s World Cup. That'll be a true indication of whether he stands out compared to other young bowlers around the world or just in Bangladesh.

Aritro
May 27, 2007, 11:20 AM
On another note, Richard McInnes was a huge fan of Talha Jubair.

I really, really hope injuries have not done irreparable damage to his career because he is the answer to all our 3rd bowler problems if he ever makes a recovery.

Nafis_BD
May 27, 2007, 11:23 AM
What we really need is another Mash but since we cannot produce another Mash then we will have to cope with the best bowler we have other than Mash!!I pretty much like the whole team of urs though!!

mali007
May 27, 2007, 11:39 AM
My lineup for the SL test series as follows:
1. Mehrab jr.
2. Tamim
3. Rajin
4. Sakib
5. Ashraful
6. Aftab
7. Mushfique
8. Mashrafee
9.Rafique
10.Shahadat
11.Razzak

BagherBacha
May 27, 2007, 11:43 AM
we don't need any buira in our team -- we need a new team, give them 1 yr , they will do much much better than bd. I wish we get Richard as our coach. I wanna give shahriar a break until he fixes his footwork otherwise sorry nafees you don't deserve a place in BD national team.

for test i would lilke the following team-
1.Tamim
2.mehrab junior
3.Mushfique
4.Rajin
5.ashraful
6.Sakib
7.Aftab/tushar
8. Mashrafee
9. Rafique
10.Enam/Razzak/riad(off spinner)
11.Shahadat

stand by - Raqibul , nasiruddin faruq, Nazim, Sagir hossain,Jahurul islam dollar mahmud, Shuvu

amra_korbo_joy
May 27, 2007, 12:00 PM
Test Team:
Did any body think about Aftab as opener. If you send Aftab with Tamim as opener, the opposition will see "Sarishar Fool". Sakib failed as a test batsman. Do not look at how many runs he has got. Look at how many chance he has given. Rajin has limitation , in fact, he is better version of javed Omar.
1. Aftab
2. Tamim
3. Tushar Imran
4. Meharab Jnr
5. Mohammad Asharaful
6. Khaled Masud (we need a full wicket keeper in test match, not half)
7. Mortoza
8. Shahadat
9. A quality pace bowler
10. Rafique
11. A quality leg spinner

Note: I forgot to add wicket keeper at first. Thanks Aritro. now I corrected.

Aritro
May 27, 2007, 12:02 PM
How on earth did Sakib fail as a test batsman? :rolleyes:

And yes, let's select a cricket team with no wicket keeper.

Splendid idea.

Good thing you have two players who don't exist to compensate.

zahid
May 27, 2007, 12:13 PM
How on earth did Sakib fail as a test batsman? :rolleyes:

And yes, let's select a cricket team with no wicket keeper.

Splendid idea.

Good thing you have two players who don't exist to compensate.

My thoughts too. Btw, Sakib can bowl and be a wicketkeeper in the same match . lol

Upal
May 27, 2007, 12:42 PM
This is a good thread guys, let's not ruin it. I agree with pilot fan that even after the mediocore performance of the BD team, we have a few positives we can take from this series and find our best possible test line up.

First of all, Rajin Saleh proved his worth as a test player (didn't fall below 20 in any innings, which for current BD standards is great). Moreover, his technique looked better than most batsmen and his ability to drive the ball already puts him a few steps ahead of JO. Thus, I would love to see Rajin remain in the test squad.

Secondly, Mashrafee's batting was a definite highlight. He looks more and more like a legitimate all rounder who can be counted on for the odd 25-30 runs consistently from now on. Sakib-ul Hassan made an okay start to his test career, looking calm and composed. He will go onto make bigger scores as he gets used to the test format. And of course, Shahadat's bowling in the first match and Ashraful's batting in the 2nd innings of the 2nd match show what these guys are capable of. When Ash is batting without pressure like he was doing today, he truly is a treat to watch. I think he needs to come in a big higher up the order, possibly a good idea would be to switch him with Rajin at the 4 and 5 spots.

So what else have we learned from the test series? Well it's time for the old generation to go, with the sole expection of Rafique. Mushfique's batting is miles ahead of Pilot's and really, Mushfique might be one of the best test batsmen in our line up. As for the keeping, its sad to say, but Pilot's keeping has not been sound recently and Mushfique will get better and better. So the time for change is now. Now who do we replace Bashar and JO with? I would bring in Mehrab Hossain for JO and Aftab/Tushar for Bashar. We simply have to hope that Aftab starts converting his starts into big scores.

Also, we need to continue with Enamul Haque and not judge him based on his first test performance, which was essentially bowling at India on a first day's wicket. It would be great to have 3 pacers, but at this time we simply do not have a 3rd pacer who deserves to be on the test squad. Rasel's quite ineffective without a swinging cherry and Sharif was simply mediocre. So we need to continue with Enamul or bring in Raj as the 4th bowler, and only go with a 3rd pacer (Rasel) if the pitch is really really suited to pace bowling.

So finally, my test team would be:
1. Shahriar Nafees
2. Mehrab Hossain Jr.
3. Aftab Ahmed
4. Md. Ashraful (c)
5. Rajin Saleh
6. Sakib-ul Hassan
7. Mushfiqur Rahim
8. Mashrafee Mortaza (vc)
9. Md. Rafique
10. Shahadat Hossain
11. Enamul Haque/Razzak Raj (Rassel if conditions are ultra suited to pace)

Murad
May 27, 2007, 12:52 PM
sakib.. disappointed me.. he didnt play well at all.. don't know whats wrong with him.. i though he would be the best test player.. ODI sakib and Test Sakib were not same...:(

Nasif
May 27, 2007, 12:56 PM
I have said it over and over again. When Faruk is thinking we are like Australia, and we have test and ODI specialists batsman; the outcome of tests won't change much.

We can't afford to leave out batsman like Aftab and Tamim labeling them as ODI only. Its a crime and it is unforgivable.

Rajowana
May 27, 2007, 12:57 PM
sakib.. disappointed me.. he didnt play well at all.. don't know whats wrong with him.. i though he would be the best test player.. ODI sakib and Test Sakib were not same...:(

ye same i thought he would do really well.But he didn't!!!!

Aritro
May 27, 2007, 01:05 PM
He got 2 strong starts and bowled beautifully during the limited oppurtunities he was given.

He did fine.

WarWolf
May 27, 2007, 01:06 PM
I wanna see an attacking batting line up against Sri lanka.

CricTiger
May 27, 2007, 01:10 PM
SL are full of left handed batters.So we need an offie badly here

amra_korbo_joy
May 27, 2007, 01:15 PM
He got 2 strong starts and bowled beautifully during the limited oppurtunities he was given.

He did fine.

"He bowled beautifully" -- I agree.
But his batting was always on the sword. He survived several times because of drop catches or the bowls just falls short.

pilot fan
May 28, 2007, 05:48 AM
sorry but dont think aftab shouold play in tests at the moment, needs to play more domestic 4 day cricket

scoilaheez
May 28, 2007, 06:11 AM
I think Aftab should bat in our top 6 and i think Nafees at the top along with Tamim. We also need another quality, but Shahadat is a quality bowler. btw, i think tapash is better than sharif.

Miraz
May 28, 2007, 06:46 AM
My Test team for Sri Lanka series

1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Mushfiqur Rahim
3. Habibul Bashar
4. Mohammad Ashraful (C)
5. Rajin Saleh
6. Tushar Imran/Aftab Ahmed
7. Sakib Al Hasan
8. Mashrafe Mortaza (VC)
9. Mohammad Rafiq
10. Abdur Razzak
11. Shahadat Hossain

pilot fan
May 28, 2007, 06:57 AM
come on how can u ask rahim to open batting and keep in the worst conditions to play cricket in the world with the horrible humidity, if rahim plays then he has to bat at 7

Miraz
May 28, 2007, 06:59 AM
come on how can u ask rahim to open batting and keep in the worst conditions to play cricket in the world with the horrible humidity, if rahim plays then he has to bat at 7

He would be a much better opener than out of form SN. He should open in both forms of the game for Bangladesh.

Aritro
May 28, 2007, 08:08 AM
He would be a much better opener than out of form SN. He should open in both forms of the game for Bangladesh.

I've said this to everyone who'll listen.

Absolutely born to open the batting for Bangladesh. Our management's insistence on batting him at no.7 infuriates me.

Mr-Cricket
May 29, 2007, 01:04 AM
I've said this to everyone who'll listen.

Absolutely born to open the batting for Bangladesh. Our management's insistence on batting him at no.7 infuriates me.
Rahim was dismissed 5 times during the World Cup just passed - 3 of which were 'Bowled'. His exaggerated open stance is a major worry. I'd like this technical flaw to be ironed out before he is even considered for the Openers slot.

For the moment, I think we must persist with the out of form Nafees (It is worrying how many of you have, in haste, chosen to overlook him in your sides). Whilst it is true that out of the two, Rahim has the more sound technique - Nafees has proven himself to be a succesful opening batsman, and although he may not be in the best form of late, I think he is, for the moment, the better alternative. That said, I must admit it is very frustrating the amount of times he has been dismissed early on in his innings:

3, 13, 5, 51, 27, 38, 9, 6, 138, 33, 0, 79, 32, 1, 2, 4.

In 9 of his 16 Innings, he has been dismissed for a score below 13. A very worrying record for an Opening Batsman. Of these dismissals, 6 were "Caught" - and herein lies his major weakness (Leg side dismissals - Caught Behind/Square Leg/Fine Leg). I'm sure if you looked at his overall ODI statistics, a similar trend may be noticed. I honestly believe that if he was given some proper coaching on this front, this weakness may not be all that difficult to overcome. From memory, 3 of the aforementioned dismissals were tickled down leg side to the wicketkeeper - instead of being leg glanced into the deep square/fine leg region. Bearing in mind the "Leg Glance" is by and large considered the easiest "shot" in the book. Free runs for balls straying down leg side. Food for thought. His other major flaw is obviously his succeptability to the short ball. And I'm sure everyone would have noticed this fact, also.

On a different note, has anyone kept tabs on Nafees Iqbal, of late? Form & otherwise. I wouldn't mind seeing him given another run in the side. Far superior batsman to Omar & Saleh in my opinion. His major flaw, in the past, being his attrocious temperament.

My first post in 6 months. It's good to be back! :)

WarWolf
May 29, 2007, 03:40 AM
My first post in 6 months. It's good to be back! :)
Welcome back.

Only1raz
May 29, 2007, 05:22 AM
i don't know about all you guys but personally i would like to see Raqibul Hassan given a chance, i mean this guy has been performing really well recently and i think he deserves to have a place ahead of JO or SN, who haven't performed at all.

Let me know what you guys think

Aritro
May 29, 2007, 05:32 AM
Rahim was dismissed 5 times during the World Cup just passed - 3 of which were 'Bowled'. His exaggerated open stance is a major worry. I'd like this technical flaw to be ironed out before he is even considered for the Openers slot.

For the moment, I think we must persist with the out of form Nafees (It is worrying how many of you have, in haste, chosen to overlook him in your sides). Whilst it is true that out of the two, Rahim has the more sound technique - Nafees has proven himself to be a succesful opening batsman, and although he may not be in the best form of late, I think he is, for the moment, the better alternative. That said, I must admit it is very frustrating the amount of times he has been dismissed early on in his innings:

3, 13, 5, 51, 27, 38, 9, 6, 138, 33, 0, 79, 32, 1, 2, 4.

In 9 of his 16 Innings, he has been dismissed for a score below 13. A very worrying record for an Opening Batsman. Of these dismissals, 6 were "Caught" - and herein lies his major weakness (Leg side dismissals - Caught Behind/Square Leg/Fine Leg). I'm sure if you looked at his overall ODI statistics, a similar trend may be noticed. I honestly believe that if he was given some proper coaching on this front, this weakness may not be all that difficult to overcome. From memory, 3 of the aforementioned dismissals were tickled down leg side to the wicketkeeper - instead of being leg glanced into the deep square/fine leg region. Bearing in mind the "Leg Glance" is by and large considered the easiest "shot" in the book. Free runs for balls straying down leg side. Food for thought. His other major flaw is obviously his succeptability to the short ball. And I'm sure everyone would have noticed this fact, also.

On a different note, has anyone kept tabs on Nafees Iqbal, of late? Form & otherwise. I wouldn't mind seeing him given another run in the side. Far superior batsman to Omar & Saleh in my opinion. His major flaw, in the past, being his attrocious temperament.



Open stance or not, Rahim still has a superior technique to almost every batsman in Bangladesh bar a couple of notables.

10 years of coaching did very little for Marcus Trescothick's footwork, but yes, it may help Nafees somewhat. I still think he'd be at his most effective in the middle order, but a lack of opening options has closed that option off at this point.

Nafis Iqbal has had a couple of niggling injuries in the last year or so. That, and his recent marriage, have seen him take a brief break from cricket. He batted quite poorly in our domestic league, although he's made a couple of scores in Dhaka League in the last month. Saleh is currently the only Bangladeshi who's managed to maintain a Test average of 30 over the last two years. I think it's a huge stretch to suggest that Nafis Iqbal is a 'far superior batsman' to him. And by 'huge stretch', what I really mean is 'complete nonsense'.

And given that he's done bugger all domestically and the fact that he hasn't even played for the A team of late, I think it'd be a woeful selection and a major slap in the face to several other players if he was chosen in the national team at this point.

Now that you have this information at your disposal, and given that you don't rate Javed Omar as you've stated in the past, and also presuming that your oh so urgent concerns about Mushfiq's open stance haven't changed during the duration of reading this post, whom, in your opinion, should be opening alongside Nafees?

nzfan
May 29, 2007, 05:38 AM
what is wrong with you people?

Did you see what pressure Shakib was under everytime he came out to bat?
he has only had 3 chances to bat , and he is 20 YEARS OLD
what you expect him to go out there and score hundreds every innings?
its a big jump from the grade of the Bangladeshi domestic circuit to the test circuit
he will get there, give him time

"sakib failed as a test batsman"

did you know Jaque Kallis averaged 8 for awhile when he started his test career and was nearly dropped?

Aritro
May 29, 2007, 05:43 AM
i don't know about all you guys but personally i would like to see Raqibul Hassan given a chance, i mean this guy has been performing really well recently and i think he deserves to have a place ahead of JO or SN, who haven't performed at all.

Let me know what you guys think

In the interests of moving away from our previous policy of selecting any young player who makes a splash, and also to set a good precedent for the future, it would be best if he could be made to prove himself further for the Academy team and in the National League before we give him a call-up

But from all reports he's an outstanding young batsman with Test-match temperment and shots on both sides of the wicket, and I wouldn't be at all opposed to his selection in this series.

I doubt it'll happen though.

Aritro
May 29, 2007, 05:44 AM
what is wrong with you people?

Did you see what pressure Shakib was under everytime he came out to bat?
he has only had 3 chances to bat , and he is 20 YEARS OLD
what you expect him to go out there and score hundreds every innings?
its a big jump from the grade of the Bangladeshi domestic circuit to the test circuit
he will get there, give him time

"sakib failed as a test batsman"

did you know Jaque Kallis averaged 8 for awhile when he started his test career and was nearly dropped?

Ignore the Sakib-bashers.

There's some bizzare posts in this thread.

Only1raz
May 29, 2007, 08:03 AM
Below is my squad for both the test & ODI in SL.

1.Mohammad Ashraful
2.Rajin Saleh
3.Sakib Al Hasan
4.Aftab Ahmed
5.Tushar Imran
6.Mehrab Hossain jnr
7.Alok Kapali
8.Tamim Iqbal
9.Rakibul Hasan
10.Mushfiqur Rahim
11.Mashrafe Mortaza
12.Shahadat Hossain
13.Syed Rasel
14.Mohammad Rafique
15.Enamul Haque jnr
16.Abdur Razzak

So what do you guys think?

sadi
May 29, 2007, 08:22 AM
First of all, I don't mind Mushfiq opening in the odis but in test matches, it will be suicidal to say the least. I don't see any other test teams let their wicketkeeper open the innings in the test matches. It is really hard to keep for a day and half and then go right back into the middle to open the innings. If he makes the team, he has to play down the order at 7 and then move up and play in the middle order later on.

About Sakib, I don't know why some people are complaining here. It was his first test series and I will take 24 average in his debut series when most of the batsmen failed miserably. He is our future and we all need to support him.

SS
May 29, 2007, 09:00 AM
Still I believe it's more important to practice or arrange longer version of matches rather than shuffling players or picking players who do not know how to play test cricket and give away wickets.
Our players lack the ability to play test cricket due to our lack of longer version games.
We need some solid performers and a good partner with Mash. We really need to nurture somebody like Mash, as there will be time when we need to give rest. Shahadat will be good in test bowling but third good seamer is really necessary.
SN,Golla, Bashar(!),SN have to perform otherwise they need to make room for others who have the temperment of playing test cricket. We can not select players giving excuse of experience as it is not helping us at all. Our experienced players are playing and making mistakes all the time.

Aritro
May 29, 2007, 10:02 AM
First of all, I don't mind Mushfiq opening in the odis but in test matches, it will be suicidal to say the least. I don't see any other test teams let their wicketkeeper open the innings in the test matches. It is really hard to keep for a day and half and then go right back into the middle to open the innings. If he makes the team, he has to play down the order at 7 and then move up and play in the middle order later on.




Alec Stewart and Andy Flower were regular openers (before he moved to the middle order), and among the best openers in the world at that.

Kamran Akmal's done it on occasion, more recently.

I take your point that it's not the ideal situation, but we're not over-endowed with options. Rajin Saleh is another one I'd like to see installed as an opener.

Mr-Cricket
May 29, 2007, 10:39 AM
Nafis Iqbal has had a couple of niggling injuries in the last year or so. That, and his recent marriage, have seen him take a brief break from cricket. He batted quite poorly in our domestic league, although he's made a couple of scores in Dhaka League in the last month. Saleh is currently the only Bangladeshi who's managed to maintain a Test average of 30 over the last two years. I think it's a huge stretch to suggest that Nafis Iqbal is a 'far superior batsman' to him. And by 'huge stretch', what I really mean is 'complete nonsense'.

And given that he's done bugger all domestically and the fact that he hasn't even played for the A team of late, I think it'd be a woeful selection and a major slap in the face to several other players if he was chosen in the national team at this point.
Thanks, but I don't recall expressly giving a time frame on his re-instatement. All I wanted was an idea of his activites since our tour of England, back in 2005. By all accounts, he has seemingly fallen off the radar since then.

That said, I did make a blunder in naming Saleh alongside the likes of Javed Omar. In fact, Saleh has one of the soundest techniques in the side, is a brilliant fielder, and, by all accounts, possesses a very astute cricketing brain (Leadership & otherwise). My only worry with Saleh is that, like Omar, he tends to favour his off side strokes, and, he has, in the past, been found out on numerous occasions through shrewd field placements from opposing sides. Unfortunately, unlike SN's leg side woes, this is not something that can easily be "ironed out" through coaching alone.

Shot selection, & indeed, the meer ability to play certain strokes, is usually something that is learned in the youth stages of development. It lays the foundations for a players future development. In fact, that age old saying - "You can't teach an old dog, new tricks" - comes to mind. Yes, Matthew Hayden is certainly one notable acception, but unfortunately, the core of our 20+ players don't possess the character (Determination, Belief, and otherwise) to make it possible. That said, Hayden was certainly no mug with the bat in the 90's. And yes, I am aware that Saleh is only 23 years old. Unfortunately, through lack of a quality alternative, we must persist with some of these players for a little while longer.

Now that you have this information at your disposal, and given that you don't rate Javed Omar as you've stated in the past, and also presuming that your oh so urgent concerns about Mushfiq's open stance haven't changed during the duration of reading this post, whom, in your opinion, should be opening alongside Nafees?
Rajin Saleh. ;)

rah
May 30, 2007, 07:42 AM
sakib had a few decent starts, and he neva realli failed though did he. in the first innings of the second test the way he was playin kumble, u can tell the guy will be great

Shafin
May 30, 2007, 10:23 AM
I read today Mahmudullah Riad is going to get a call into the squad,we are desperately in need of a off-spinner,although I do not know how good he is.

sadi
May 30, 2007, 10:37 AM
He has been performing quite consistently with both bat and ball. Finally, we have found a decent offspinner. I hope he does well if selected.

Aritro
May 30, 2007, 10:49 AM
He did very near nothing with the ball in the one-dayers but was among our standouts in the four-day matches.

I'll be curious to have a look at him.

Tigers_eye
May 30, 2007, 11:06 AM
If I were the chief: (SL test away)
1. Nafis iqbal
2. Rajin
3. Sakib
4. Ash (c)
5. Mehrab Jr.
6. SN (VC)
7. Mushfiqur Rahim (w)
8. Mash (Assistant VC)
9. Mohammad Rafique
10. Shahadat
11. Rasel

12. Talha (he got 26/4)
13. Abdur Razzak
14. Tushar
15. Tamim/Imrul/Junaid/nazimuddin one of the newbies just to get some experience from sitting on the bench.

In the main 11 we have 3 pacers (the best we got). The replacement would be experimental. I have seen Sharif who can't bowl over 83. Nor can he swing or reverse swing.

On the spinning attack we have 3 SLAs sakib, rafiq, mehrab jr. Then to relieve them a little we have rajin and Ash himself. maximum option for Ash on the bowling department. replacement is Abdur razzak. he needs to be tried if there is an opening.

Batting side this team should score 250+ each innings. That would take us to the 4th day and beyond. Tushar is the backup who can replace anyone in the lineup if needed. If one of the openers fall, SN should be promoted and TI would get the chance in the middle.

Nafi
May 30, 2007, 11:36 AM
reverse swing.


Sharif can produce very little reverse swing.

roaring tigerz
May 30, 2007, 11:59 AM
The only automatic test selections according to me would be Ashraful, Nafees, Mashrafee and Shahadat. Our batting fragility and lack of bowling depth has been quite brutally exposed against India. For the next test my XI would be:

Shahriar Nafees
Mehrab Hossain Jr.
Tushar Imran
Mohammad Ashraful
Sakibul Hasan
Rajin Saleh
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mashrafee Mortaza
Mohammed Rafiq
Shahadat Hossain
Syed Rasel

sheikh
May 31, 2007, 05:35 AM
For tests against Srilanka:

1. Javed
2. Tamim/SN (Tamim is the first choice)
3. Bashar
4. Rajin
5. Ashraful
6. Sakib
7. Mushfique
8. Mashrafee
9. Mahmudullah Riad
10. Rafique
11. Shahadat

cricket_king
May 31, 2007, 05:46 AM
I'm very curious to see how Dolar bowls in the next U/19s World Cup. That'll be a true indication of whether he stands out compared to other young bowlers around the world or just in Bangladesh.

This dollar guy seems to me like another rasel. Not that it's bad or anything. I just want someone fast. And I mean FAST. No more of this slow line and length bowlers.......we've got more than enough.

Mahir
May 31, 2007, 08:13 AM
Tamim isnt of the Test calibre. Atleast, not yet. Those who advocate for his inclusion in the Test team, please have a second thought, you'll understand it yourself. Test cricket is played over 5 days and 2 innings, a style that certainly doesnt require you to blast it out from the get-go. Aftab is a different player than Tamim, and Aftab would probably do better than Tamim at present.

Here's how I would pick my Test squad for the SL tour :

SNafees (c)
Mehrab Jnr
Bashar
Sakib
Ashraful (vc)
Rajin
Mushfiq
Mashrafee
Rafiq
Enamul
Shahadat

Aftab
Tushar
Rasel
Razzak

* SN has to get back into form, and he has to do that by playing. NO alternatives. Come on Nafees, let this be your coming-out party against the big boys.
* Picked Bashar, simply due to my willingness to see how he does purely as the no.3 batsman, with no other headaches for him to burden. A couple of half-centuries in the series wouldn't harm us.
* Rajin comes up the order if top-order falls cheaply.
* Mushfiq comes in. I wanted to carry on with Mashud for another year atleast, but he's simply fazed.
* SN is my captain. Ashraful's aggression was undoubtedly a relief amidst Bashar defensive approach, but it won't sustain, nor be effective for a longer period of time.

ODI lineup has a different look, and here's my preference, without going into more details :

Tamim
Rajin
Mushfiq
SNafees (c) << He opens if he has a good Test series. Rajin comes down the order.
Sakib
Ashraful (vc)
Aftab
Mashrafee
Rafique
Razzak
Rasel

Mehrab jnr
Tushar
Farhad
Shahadat

Mr-Cricket
May 31, 2007, 10:00 AM
Tamim isnt of the Test calibre. Atleast, not yet. Those who advocate for his inclusion in the Test team, please have a second thought, you'll understand it yourself. Test cricket is played over 5 days and 2 innings, a style that certainly doesnt require you to blast it out from the get-go. Aftab is a different player than Tamim, and Aftab would probably do better than Tamim at present.

* Picked Bashar, simply due to my willingness to see how he does purely as the no.3 batsman, with no other headaches for him to burden. A couple of half-centuries in the series wouldn't harm us.

I agree that Tamim is not of Test calibre just yet, but similarly, I am also very hesitant about throwing Mehrab into the fold so soon.

On a different note, whilst our innability to find a Permanent/performing Opening pair has been highly documented, I think we also have to be very serious about nailing a proficient No.3 batsman that is able to steady our Innings after the almost inevitable loss of an early wicket. In the past, I have been an advocate for Bashar filling this slot, but he was always very hesitant in assuming this role. Cowardice on his part (or so it would seem). At this present moment, it is clear Bashar's age is his biggest enemy, now that he is in the twilight of his career. So on that front, I do not see him as a suitable canditate for this position any longer.

I've nicked this following criteria off of Wikepedia for a No.3 (and No.4) batsman:

"The batsmen who bat at positions 3 and 4 in the order are typically the most technically proficient batsmen with the best stroke play. As they are likely to face an older ball that is easier to score runs against, they must aim to make a large number of runs. They may be exposed to the new ball if an opener loses his wicket early on, and so must be equipped to deal with this scenario as well."

So with the above in mind, I was wondering who you guys thought would be the most proficient No.3 Batsman for our Test (and to a lesser extent - ODI) squad. :info: