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Kabir
May 27, 2007, 07:55 PM
The tour to Sri Lanka is fast approaching, and we're about 3 weeks away from the tournament. At this point, let us provoke some thoughts, and deal with the team selection.

To start off, I would rate this series as more competitive than the one against the Indian series that just concluded. The reason is simple - some long awaited changes are knocking on the door. If the changes are implemented, we will see a brand new look in our team.


Tour schedule

The series includes 3 Test matches, and 3 ODIs. Personally, I would love to have 5 ODIs. But I'm glad that we're getting 3 Tests. I hope BCB takes the initiative to push for two more ODIs, since neither of the teams have other matches/series before September (World Cup Twenty20). In fact, I would be interested to see if the teams are innovative enough to have a couple Twenty20 matches too. Here's the schedule for the tour.


June 20-22 - Warm-up match at Colts
June 25-29 - 1st Test, Colombo (R. Premadasa Stadium)
July 3-7 - 2nd Test, Colombo (Saravanamuttu Stadium)
July 11-15 - 3rd Test, Kandy
July 18 - One-day warm-up match, Colombo (NCC)
July 20 - 1st ODI, Colombo (Saravanamuttu Stadium)
July 22 - 2nd ODI, Colombo (R Premadasa Stadium)
July 24 - 3rd ODI, Colombo (R Premadasa Stadium)


Analysis and player options

If we are fortunate enough to see Bashar's retirement from ODIs, I would like to see the initiation of a revolution that has been long overdue. And that is, the alignment of the team's think tanks with the aggresive young Tigers. currently, it is simply out of alignment, and the only way we get our results delivered is when the team clicks, and the think tank's bookish way of playing the matches somehow manages to put the opponent in trouble. In any case, I would like to see the following guys in the ODI (not Test) team, based on the reasons mentioned in the following. The selection is straight forward. I wouldn't go for too many new guys in the side yet. We should make the changes gradually. A major flaw is still our bowling options...but that I would consider after the tour to Sri Lanka.

1. Tamim Iqbal (opener) - a batsman who I find classy and aggressive. It's a 2-in-1 deal for us. This kid has the necessary aggression, but just needs some polishing in his attitude. When in the right mood, he selects shots based on the merit of the ball. When he loses his mind, he attacks every ball, and every bowler. This is a major flaw in temperament, and I really hope he deals with it before it's too late.

2. Shahriyar Nafees (opener) - although out of form, I believe in this kid. A guy who can carry his bat through the innings isn't a joke. McInnes beleives in Nafees's talent. And so do I. I would give him another couple of series before ruling him out.

3. Aftab Ahmed (top/middle order) - I would go with him simply based on his aggression and consistency of giving the team a reasonable 30 in most cases. He's our Mr. 30. He has serious temperament issues. This is the outcome you get when players like Tamim are allowed to make consistent mistakes. Like Nafees, I would give him two more series before ruling him out. He's by no means a good bowling option if he continues his current bowling skills. He is usually brought as a change in bowling when the batsmen are attacking. And that's when he gets badly abused too; he's not able to give anything in such cases.

4. Mushfiqur Rahim (top/middle order; keeper) - I guess this doesn't need any explanation. However, the top and middle order choice is here between him and Aftab, and I will base it on the openers' performance.

5. Sakibul Hassan (middle order) - This doesn't need any explanation either. One of our two all-rounders, and a consistent performer. I wouldn't use him for 1 down. I would use him for 2 or 3 down.

6. Mohammad Ashraful (middle order; captain) - I want him to pay equal amount of attention in batting and captaincy. I want him to prove himself with his aggression in captaining the team. I would love to see him try himself for bowling. I would like to see him mature more than what he has already done - it's necessary for his new role. Enough said.

7. Tushar Imran (middle order) - He is a talent that is slowly being wasted. I would draft him in for 3/4 series consistently. He should be given the opportunities. He can also be used as a bowler, but would I leave that to Ashraful.

8. Abdur Razzak (bowler) - Not much to say about him. Just wanna say, keep it up.

9. Mohammad Rafiq/Enamul Haq Jr. (bowler) - This will be a challenging choice. While I have serious respect for Rafiq, I also want to see new guys being given a chance. If the team is rebuilding with young blood, I would rule Rafiq out. Enamul Haq is an attacking bowler, but quite expensive. He couldn't do anything spectacular in the Indian series, and that's because of his return into the national side after ages. If I have the choice, I'ld go with Enamul and keep Rafiq as the backup.

10. Mashrafee Mortaza (bowler; part-time nightmare for opponents) - He should concentrate on his bowling. Although he's aggressive and hyper, and can bat tremendously on any day, I would still say concentrate on your bowling. I would take his batting as a bonus. I wouldn't want the team to depend on him either.

11. Syed Rasel/Shahadat Hussain (bowler) - I'm a little confused here. Who should we go with? I'm not an expert in pitches and have little knowledge about the conditions in Sri Lanka, so would leave this on you guys.

cricket_pagol
May 27, 2007, 08:01 PM
I think Bangladesh think-tank needs to take some tough decisions... Select only one captain for both ODI and test, which means JO and Bashar should only be selected for test matches. Pilot's keeping has deteriorated a lot... Mushy needs to come into his place for test matches.

On a different note, I would like to see some improvement in our slip catching.

Kabir
May 27, 2007, 08:02 PM
The bowling options are terrible, and I know that. But the problem is, we're at such a point where we cannot make too many changes at the same time. Let the team settle down without Bashar (assuming that he steps down), and let the team's relationship with the new coach build properly, only then more changes should be made. Before that, it'll be too early for more changes.

Nafis_BD
May 27, 2007, 08:13 PM
Kabir bhaiya really great Analysis!!!

My team for this series would be:

1.Tanim Iqbal
2.Nafis Iqbal
3.Tushar/Mehrab
4.Saqibul Hasan
5.Ashraful
6.Mushfiq
7.Mortoza
8.Rafique
9.Rasel
10.Razzak
11.Shahdat
Other people I have in my mind is : Shariar Nafees for opener or number 3(If he is in form).Rajin Saleh for the place of Tushar or Mehrab, other effective pace bowler like Dollar Mahmud and etc,Omar and Pilot and Basharif we really need them and or there is no other choice...... if u guys have any addition the pls be my guest!!!This is not my batting line up though!!

Off Topic:Hey Kabir bhaiya I just realized that u opened another successful thread without being scared....u know ur threadophoebia so congratulations !!!
:joy: :bravo:

BagherBacha
May 27, 2007, 08:20 PM
7. Tushar Imran (middle order) - He is a talent that is slowly being wasted. I would draft him in for 3/4 series consistently. He should be given the opportunities. He can also be used as a bowler, but would I leave that to Ashraful.
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in place of tushar imran i would like to see a bowling allrounder may be forhar reza/shraif(sharif won't be too bad in one day). Or we can consider mash as an allrounder for number 7 position and pick up a medium pacer - shahadat/dollar/taposh/

jabbar
May 27, 2007, 08:25 PM
Great analysis.

I would keep JO as backup for SN, as SN still seems outta sorts. As for Tushar Imran, I would keep Mehrab Hossain as back up for him. Regarding the rasel/shahadat "dilemma": the answer is easy -- I think rasel is a one-day specialist bowler, and shahadat is made for tests.

Kabir
May 27, 2007, 08:29 PM
Off Topic:Hey Kabir bhaiya I just realized that u opened another successful thread without being scared....u know ur threadophoebia so congratulations !!!

Haha. Thanks bhaiya. I guess our potor potor master is getting his form back...now that he's back to his computer :)

Kabir
May 27, 2007, 08:36 PM
in place of tushar imran i would like to see a bowling allrounder may be forhar reza/shraif(sharif won't be too bad in one day). Or we can consider mash as an allrounder for number 7 position and pick up a medium pacer - shahadat/dollar/taposh/

I had a similar idea, but I think Sharif is simply not in form. He needs to perform with the A-team for a while before being promoted to the ODIs.

As for Mashrafee, I like your idea. But I would play a little defensive here, since the team is going to be full of aggression now (I hope). That's why I would count in Mashrafee only as a bowler, and consider his runs as only a bonus.


Great analysis.

I would keep JO as backup for SN, as SN still seems outta sorts. As for Tushar Imran, I would keep Mehrab Hossain as back up for him. Regarding the rasel/shahadat "dilemma": the answer is easy -- I think rasel is a one-day specialist bowler, and shahadat is made for tests.

Thanks :)

JO's done, and I wouldn't draft in any senior player starting from the SL series. The reason is simple - keep the blood fresh. JO might not even fit into the aggressive bunch...and if I was in the team, I would occassionally bully him around too ;)

Jokes apart, I would consider Mehrab over JO. They're the same type of materials in batting (Mehrab being super slow...only 43.76 SR!), but he can also be used as a bowler. I think that's the tradeoff we can make for Shahriar Nafees if he's not performing, and make Mehrab open instead of Nafees. Actually, he may be an excellent option, considering the lefty offensive-defensive combination he'll make with TI. See his achievements in bowling...may be he's the bowling all-rounder we can trade-in for SN?

From Mehrab's profile on CricInfo:

Mehrab Hossain jnr. is a left-handed batsman and slow left-arm orthodox bowler, who is a genuine allrounder. He has played twelve first-class matches, and has one century to his name. Hossain has played 12 U19 ODI matches for Bangladesh, and has taken 16 wickets and scored 213 runs. He played in all of Bangladesh's matches in the tri-nation series with England and Sri Lanka, scoring two half centuries and taking eight wickets at an average of 22.62. Hossain is certain to be in the starting eleven at the start of the U19 World Cup in Sri Lanka.

Nafis_BD
May 27, 2007, 08:36 PM
Haha. Thanks bhaiya. I guess our potor potor master is getting his form back...now that he's back to his computer :)

He bhaiya apnader duwa tei to ami tike asi!!!:D

cricman
May 27, 2007, 08:59 PM
I'd like to see Rajib play in ODI's, He's got so much talent not to be a successful bowler in ODI's. In Test Cricket you can see why he's regarded so highly.

mali007
May 27, 2007, 09:50 PM
I would prefer Rassel over Shahadat. Rassel has good line,length and swing than Shahadat.

kalpurush
May 27, 2007, 10:17 PM
Great analysis.

I would keep JO as backup for SN, as SN still seems outta sorts. As for Tushar Imran, I would keep Mehrab Hossain as back up for him. Regarding the rasel/shahadat "dilemma": the answer is easy -- I think rasel is a one-day specialist bowler, and shahadat is made for tests.


I would like Mehrab in place of JO...everything else is cool!!!:-D

Murad
May 27, 2007, 10:23 PM
i dont see a place for mehrab jr in odi team.. hes too slow.. slower than javed omar.. if he play with tamim.. tamim will get bored and then he might play some stupid shots to have fun. and get out..

i think Rajin should open with tamim instead javed omar.. Rajin has some technichs.. he has more shots than javed omar..

Haradhon
May 27, 2007, 11:26 PM
i dont see a place for mehrab jr in odi team.. hes too slow.. slower than javed omar.. if he play with tamim.. tamim will get bored and then he might play some stupid shots to have fun. and get out..

i think Rajin should open with tamim instead javed omar.. Rajin has some technichs.. he has more shots than javed omar..

I agree Rajin-Tamim left-right opening combo will make the opponent change their field setting and bowlers' line and length

Aritro
May 28, 2007, 12:24 AM
11. Syed Rasel/Shahadat Hussain (bowler) - I'm a little confused here. Who should we go with? I'm not an expert in pitches and have little knowledge about the conditions in Sri Lanka, so would leave this on you guys.

Rajib took 15 wickets in 2 matches against the Sri Lankans two years ago...

amra_korbo_joy
May 28, 2007, 12:50 AM
No more chance for Sharier Nafiz. He needs to get his form by playing domestic game like Ashraful.
I believe Aftab will be great opener. He can open with Tamim.
For ODI, Rasel is better than Shahadad. Shahadad will get the spot if we play with three pacers.

Luvlee_nik
May 28, 2007, 01:02 AM
The tour to Sri Lanka is fast approaching, and we're about 3 weeks away from the tournament. At this point, let us provoke some thoughts, and deal with the team selection.

To start off, I would rate this series as more competitive than the one against the Indian series that just concluded. The reason is simple - some long awaited changes are knocking on the door. If the changes are implemented, we will see a brand new look in our team.


Tour schedule

The series includes 3 Test matches, and 3 ODIs. Personally, I would love to have 5 ODIs. But I'm glad that we're getting 3 Tests. I hope BCB takes the initiative to push for two more ODIs, since neither of the teams have other matches/series before September (World Cup Twenty20). In fact, I would be interested to see if the teams are innovative enough to have a couple Twenty20 matches too. Here's the schedule for the tour.


June 20-22 - Warm-up match at Colts
June 25-29 - 1st Test, Colombo (R. Premadasa Stadium)
July 3-7 - 2nd Test, Colombo (Saravanamuttu Stadium)
July 11-15 - 3rd Test, Kandy
July 18 - One-day warm-up match, Colombo (NCC)
July 20 - 1st ODI, Colombo (Saravanamuttu Stadium)
July 22 - 2nd ODI, Colombo (R Premadasa Stadium)
July 24 - 3rd ODI, Colombo (R Premadasa Stadium)


Analysis and player options

If we are fortunate enough to see Bashar's retirement from ODIs, I would like to see the initiation of a revolution that has been long overdue. And that is, the alignment of the team's think tanks with the aggresive young Tigers. currently, it is simply out of alignment, and the only way we get our results delivered is when the team clicks, and the think tank's bookish way of playing the matches somehow manages to put the opponent in trouble. In any case, I would like to see the following guys in the ODI (not Test) team, based on the reasons mentioned in the following. The selection is straight forward. I wouldn't go for too many new guys in the side yet. We should make the changes gradually. A major flaw is still our bowling options...but that I would consider after the tour to Sri Lanka.

1. Tamim Iqbal (opener) - a batsman who I find classy and aggressive. It's a 2-in-1 deal for us. This kid has the necessary aggression, but just needs some polishing in his attitude. When in the right mood, he selects shots based on the merit of the ball. When he loses his mind, he attacks every ball, and every bowler. This is a major flaw in temperament, and I really hope he deals with it before it's too late.

2. Shahriyar Nafees (opener) - although out of form, I believe in this kid. A guy who can carry his bat through the innings isn't a joke. McInnes beleives in Nafees's talent. And so do I. I would give him another couple of series before ruling him out.

3. Aftab Ahmed (top/middle order) - I would go with him simply based on his aggression and consistency of giving the team a reasonable 30 in most cases. He's our Mr. 30. He has serious temperament issues. This is the outcome you get when players like Tamim are allowed to make consistent mistakes. Like Nafees, I would give him two more series before ruling him out. He's by no means a good bowling option if he continues his current bowling skills. He is usually brought as a change in bowling when the batsmen are attacking. And that's when he gets badly abused too; he's not able to give anything in such cases.

4. Mushfiqur Rahim (top/middle order; keeper) - I guess this doesn't need any explanation. However, the top and middle order choice is here between him and Aftab, and I will base it on the openers' performance.

5. Sakibul Hassan (middle order) - This doesn't need any explanation either. One of our two all-rounders, and a consistent performer. I wouldn't use him for 1 down. I would use him for 2 or 3 down.

6. Mohammad Ashraful (middle order; captain) - I want him to pay equal amount of attention in batting and captaincy. I want him to prove himself with his aggression in captaining the team. I would love to see him try himself for bowling. I would like to see him mature more than what he has already done - it's necessary for his new role. Enough said.

7. Tushar Imran (middle order) - He is a talent that is slowly being wasted. I would draft him in for 3/4 series consistently. He should be given the opportunities. He can also be used as a bowler, but would I leave that to Ashraful.

8. Abdur Razzak (bowler) - Not much to say about him. Just wanna say, keep it up.

9. Mohammad Rafiq/Enamul Haq Jr. (bowler) - This will be a challenging choice. While I have serious respect for Rafiq, I also want to see new guys being given a chance. If the team is rebuilding with young blood, I would rule Rafiq out. Enamul Haq is an attacking bowler, but quite expensive. He couldn't do anything spectacular in the Indian series, and that's because of his return into the national side after ages. If I have the choice, I'ld go with Enamul and keep Rafiq as the backup.

10. Mashrafee Mortaza (bowler; part-time nightmare for opponents) - He should concentrate on his bowling. Although he's aggressive and hyper, and can bat tremendously on any day, I would still say concentrate on your bowling. I would take his batting as a bonus. I wouldn't want the team to depend on him either.

11. Syed Rasel/Shahadat Hussain (bowler) - I'm a little confused here. Who should we go with? I'm not an expert in pitches and have little knowledge about the conditions in Sri Lanka, so would leave this on you guys.

hu gonna be vice captain?

Nocturnal
May 28, 2007, 01:56 AM
hu gonna be vice captain?

You will know June 2nd.

Good Analysis Kabir bhai.
So finally you opened a thread after India tour. New tour-new captain-new coach-new selectors-new thread opener and therefore New Hope. :)

PoorFan
May 28, 2007, 03:02 AM
I will be happy if we can get rid of Bashar, Javed, Pilot from both ODI & Test, no matter how bad we perform in Sri Lanka tour. It will be a worthful step to move forward, and sooner than later the outcome will follow.

WarWolf
May 28, 2007, 04:54 AM
Kabir, I think SN needs a long break from international cricket. He is a wonderful talent for sure. Why putting extra pressure on him when he is out of form for a long time? He needs to play domestic cricket and get some big runs to get his confidence back. I would like to see Rajin in his place as his record as opener is not bad. And in place of Tushar Imran I would like to see Farhad Reza. Tushar has a bad reputatin of not being a big match horse. Farhad seems to be in good touch and he deserves his place ahead of Tushar.

nahaz
May 28, 2007, 06:08 AM
I think Shahriar Nafees does need some rest. :timeout: It can only do good for both im and Bd. Even Ash had a break before.Rajin would be an excellent replacement.The way he was batting in the 2nd innings yesterday shows that.
Also,why can't Ash be at no.3 ? He can take advantage of powerplays more safely than Aftab I'd presume.and if we lose the first wicket within the first 5 overs sakib can come out at 3. Aftab might be better off to come in after 35 overs. maybe Mushfique can come in at 5.If Shahadat can hold any kind of line and length in the nets ,he should play.3 spinners won't probably work against Lanka.If you need to play Tushar ,drop Rafique,I'd say.

1.Rajin saleh
2. Tamim Iqbal
3.Md. Ashraful (c)
4.Saqibul Hasan
5.Mushfique
6.Aftab Ahmed
7. Mashrafee
8.Shahadat
9.Rasel
10. Rafique
11.Razzak

scoilaheez
May 28, 2007, 06:17 AM
Shahadat definetly ahead of Rasel. I agree with you that I think Nafees and Aftab are our best options and so we need to play them. If we didnt play them in the tests they would hardly improve playing local cricket anyway.

Nafi
May 28, 2007, 06:30 AM
Tamim Iqbal
Shahriar Nafis (though if he fails in test, he will most likely replaced by JO/Rajin/nafis Iqbal for ODI)
Saqib al hasan
Ashraful (c)
Aftab ahmed
Mushfiqur rahim
Mashrafee Mortaza (VC)
Rafique
Shahadat Hossain
Abdur Razzak
Syed rasel /Tushar Imran (depending if its a batting or bowling pitch)

Miraz
May 28, 2007, 06:39 AM
Good analysis Kabir. I have a completely different XI in my mind and I want the change of vision.

1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Mushfiqur Rahim
3. Aftab Ahmed
4. Mohammad Ashraful (C)
5. Sakib Al Hasan
6. Tushar Imran
7. Shahriar Nafees
8. Mashrafe Mortaza (VC)
9. Mohammad Rafiq
10. Abdur Razzak
11. Shahadat Hossain

The position of Sakib and SN can be interchanged.

Nafi
May 28, 2007, 06:43 AM
Miraz you cant be serious having that team for an ODI, looks more like test team

Miraz
May 28, 2007, 06:44 AM
Miraz you cant be serious having that team for an ODI, looks more like test team

Got it wrong, corrected.

cricket_king
May 28, 2007, 06:55 AM
When will nafees get back into form? :(
It's been way to long! :(

Nafi
May 28, 2007, 06:56 AM
Got it wrong, corrected.

Okay I see now,the same team as mine (though different order) and also I believe if there is a bowling pitch Tushar should be changed with Syed Rasel.

On his ODI debut against Sri Lanka, Syed rasel was the second most economic bowler and had the most wickets.

Luvlee_nik
May 28, 2007, 07:02 AM
Tamim Iqbal
Shahriar Nafis (though if he fails in test, he will most likely replaced by JO/Rajin/nafis Iqbal for ODI)
Saqib al hasan
Ashraful (c)
Aftab ahmed
Mushfiqur rahim
Mashrafee Mortaza (VC)
Rafique
Shahadat Hossain
Abdur Razzak
Syed rasel /Tushar Imran (depending if its a batting or bowling pitch)

nafis is spelt nafEEs why do u spell it wrong i get it confused with nafis iqbal :S

rah
May 28, 2007, 07:08 AM
Kabir bhaiya really great Analysis!!!

My team for this series would be:

1.Tanim Iqbal
2.Nafis Iqbal
3.Tushar/Mehrab
4.Saqibul Hasan
5.Ashraful
6.Mushfiq
7.Mortoza
8.Rafique
9.Rasel
10.Razzak
11.Shahdat
Other people I have in my mind is : Shariar Nafees for opener or number 3(If he is in form).Rajin Saleh for the place of Tushar or Mehrab, other effective pace bowler like Dollar Mahmud and etc,Omar and Pilot and Basharif we really need them and or there is no other choice...... if u guys have any addition the pls be my guest!!!This is not my batting line up though!!

Off Topic:Hey Kabir bhaiya I just realized that u opened another successful thread without being scared....u know ur threadophoebia so congratulations !!!
:joy: :bravo:
:lol: good thread bhaizaan

Umar
May 28, 2007, 07:38 AM
Where is Farhad Reza?? He is an Allrounder..Who bats really well. I am sure he can replace Aftab or Tushar in times...when any of them are not in form.

And Rajin??? I am a bit confused now. Looks like we are wasting talants ! Rajin should be somewhere after Ashraful's position.

so my team would be.

T Iqbal
S Nafees
Sakib
Ashraful
T Imran/Rajin
Aftab/Farhad
Mushfiqur R
Mashrafee
S Russel/Shahadat
Rafiq/Enamul
A Rzzaak

Mehrab should be the 12th man and learn more. Should be ready for Backup anytime.
My backup team

.Javed Omar
.Nafis Iqbal/Junaid Siddiki
.Bashar
.Mehrab jnr
.Sharif
.Khaled Masud
.Alok Kapali
...??
...??
...??
...??

U guys Fill it Up...I am not sure about any Under 19 players or bowlers as i havnt seen them performing. I am sure there are few more left..

zahid
May 28, 2007, 07:45 AM
I have to disagree with Kabir bhai with some points.

We need two separate teams for ODIs and Tests.

Here's my selection :

ODI
---------
1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Aftab Ahmed
3. Tushar Imran
4. Mohammad Ashraful (C)
5. Sakib Al Hasan
6. Mushfiqur Rahim
7. Forhad Reza
8. Mashrafe Mortaza (VC)
9. Mohammad Rafique
10. Abdur Razzak
11. Syed Rasel

TEST
--------------
1. Tamim Iqbal
2. Mehrab Hossain Jnr.
3. Javed Omar
4. Rajin Saleh
5. Mohammad Ashraful (C)
6. Sakib Al Hasan
7. Mushfiqur Rahim
8. Mashrafe Mortaza (VC)
9. Mohammad Rafique
10. Abdur Razzak / Sharif ( depending upon pitch )
11. Shahdat Hossain

Rumz_01
May 28, 2007, 08:20 AM
so glad to see mushfiq in all ur teams lol, i think our world cup team was brilliant, altho Shahadat Hossain is bowling good as well

Kabir
May 28, 2007, 10:21 AM
Thanks for all your comments. I'm surprised that no one complained about me considering Enamul over Rafiq :)

Murad bhai: Actually, if you consider it closely, inclusion of Mehrab is also based on his bowling abilities. Rajin may be a big contender for this spot. Actually, I would keep Rajin as a backup...but will give Mehrab some opportunities to show. But both of them will have to give proper merits to replace SN in the first place :)

WarWolf: I would differ in the SN case. The maximum I would do is trade him for Mehrab, coz that way we're strenthening our bowling department. Rajin is an option that's worth a look...so it's debatable whether it should be SN or Rajin. But for now, I would try SN or Mehrab there. If we pick Rajin, I would do that in exchange of Tushar.

Miraz bhai: Your idea of new vision sounds great, but you need to explain a bit. In my opinion, we shouldn't try Mushfiq as an opener. He's not yet an opener material to me. I agree with moving Ashraful up to 4. I also see how you have Tushar Imran and SN at 6 and 7...some Ashraful treatment I guess. Can you explain your new vision a bit further?

Umar: I don't think I'm a big fan of Farhad Reza. I sure won't consider him over Aftab on any day. Mind you, Aftab is an allrounder too, if you consider him for bowling. I would like to see some statistical difference in their bowling figures, and batting figures. Yes stats don't speak for much, but Farhad Reza used to play at the time when I wasn't following cricket. So take it as much lack of knowledge about Farhad.

Zahid: Actually my intent was to discuss only ODIs. However, most of the players from the side would end up going to the Test, and I am willing to leave Bashar for the tests as well.

Rumz_01: Yes, Mushfiq is in all our teams because most of us are giving his batting abilities more priority over wicket keeping. And in my opinion, wicket keeping is like spin bowling - it gets better with age. Right now, I believe Pilot may be just tiny a notch better than Mushfiq in keeping...but many will disagree.

Sohel
May 28, 2007, 12:55 PM
good analysis. here are my sides with respective batting orders: -

TEST

1. Tamim Iqbal Khan
2. Nafis Iqbal Khan
3. Mushfiqur Rahim (WK)
4. Md. Ashraful Matin (Captain)
5. Alok Kapali
6. Shakib Al Hasan
7. Aftab Ahmed
8. Mashrafee Bin Murtaza (Vice Captain)
9. Md. Rafiq
10. Shahadat Hossein
11. Dollar Mahmud

12th Man: Rajin Saleh

Reserves: Enamul Haq Jr, Talha Jubair, Nadif Chaudhury, Dhiman Ghosh (WK)

ODI

1. Tamim Iqbal Khan
2. Junaid Siddique
3. Nafis Iqbal Khan
4. Md. Ashraful Matin (Captain)
5. Alok Kapali
6. Shakib Al Hasan
7. Aftab Ahmed
8. Mashrafee Bin Murtaza (Vice Captain)
9. Mushfiqur Rahim (WK)
10. Shahadat Hossein
11. Abdur Razzak

12th Man: Forhad Reza (as batsman only... maybe an over or two of that gentle medium pace if we HAVE to)

Reserves: Shahriar Nafees Ahmed, Syed Rasel, Ziaur Rahman, Dhiman Ghosh (WK)

Kabir
May 28, 2007, 11:43 PM
2. Junaid Siddique
3. Nafis Iqbal Khan

12th Man: Forhad Reza (as batsman only... maybe an over or two of that gentle medium pace if we HAVE to)

Reserves: Shahriar Nafees Ahmed, Syed Rasel, Ziaur Rahman, Dhiman Ghosh (WK)

I would've gone with Junaid Siddique only if the current coach was a few months old. But it turns out that our coach is very new, who'll be trying to adjust with the team. And then the team would have to adjust with the coach. In that process, a new member in the team will only mean lack of individual attention, and lack of cohesion. One of the most important thing is, there's a chance of some cleanup work after the new coach comes in. And at this point, I wouldn't just bring in new guys and try to make them play for the hang of it, and waste their career.

As for Forhad Reza, I mentioned earlier...that I have no knowledge about him. Would love to hear about him.

Dhiman Ghosh is the other keeper who's waiting in line for a chance if I'm not wrong. Heard he's a good batsman, and has better wicket keeping skills than Mushfiq. I would love this comnpetition to grow...and make Mushfiq and Dhiman compete for the position. But not just yet. May be after the new coach starts...and after the cleanup process is over.

Murad
May 29, 2007, 12:09 AM
Thanks for all your comments. I'm surprised that no one complained about me considering Enamul over Rafiq :)

Murad bhai: Actually, if you consider it closely, inclusion of Mehrab is also based on his bowling abilities. Rajin may be a big contender for this spot. Actually, I would keep Rajin as a backup...but will give Mehrab some opportunities to show. But both of them will have to give proper merits to replace SN in the first place :)

Kabir bhai, i think Mehrab should never open for any team.. When he was in U-19 team, he used to bat at 5-6, and he used to do better. Then just last month, he played as a middle order batsman for the academy and A team and played quite welll with good strike rate. Don't know how the selector picked him up as an opener..

So i think we should take him for the middle order batting instead Tushar Imran.. He has better techniques than Tushar.

SS
May 29, 2007, 09:37 AM
We have nothing to loose but to try best! What worst can happen as we are touring SL and we know matches will be tough over there. So, we should try different approach.
ODI:
So far I believe we are sure we need to play these following players and give little more chances to rectify their 'mistakes':
Tamim,Aftab,Ash,Musfiq,Sakib,Mash,Rasel,Razzak, Rafiq(not sure if he will do good). Now the remaining two post totally rely on the team's requirement and match condition Rasel gets ahead of Shahadat just for his variations(!), and if we can get one more all rounder who can bat a bit too and contribute with 2-3 over (could be Farhad or Tushar). Though opponents tend to go after the part-time bowlers.

Note: There are few others who can be chosen for these two spots, there are bunch of players who performed really well in DL,NL. Not to sure but you guys might know better. I hear names like Raqibul,Zunaid,Imrul,Sadat,kapali(!),Sonnet, NI, Marshall etc... name few but not sure if they are prepared enough to called for SL tour. Even bowling wise Shabbir, Shahzada, Dollar, Shafaq, and few more. But all performed in leagues but not sure if they are ready to take a third seamer position.

Test:
There are less chance to make dramatic changes in test squad unless we take four dayers top leagure performaers. I am not following long version of league that much, so you guys might know better. But for now what we have in current test squad, i am pretty sure we will play the followings:

Rajin,SN,Golla(despite two gollas recently),Ash,Musfiq,Mash,Shahadat,Jr.,Rafiq(!)
We can take another spinner depending on pitch but not another SLA even could be top performer from our league's longer version games. And another slot could be an allrounder.

Aritro
May 29, 2007, 09:47 AM
2. Junaid Siddique


He's not even a reliable performer for the Academy team, never mind the national team.

Only1raz
May 29, 2007, 10:55 AM
Below is my squad for both the test & ODI in SL.

1.Mohammad Ashraful
2.Rajin Saleh
3.Sakib Al Hasan
4.Aftab Ahmed
5.Tushar Imran
6.Mehrab Hossain jnr
7.Alok Kapali
8.Tamim Iqbal
9.Rakibul Hasan
10.Mushfiqur Rahim
11.Mashrafe Mortaza
12.Shahadat Hossain
13.Syed Rasel
14.Mohammad Rafique
15.Enamul Haque jnr
16.Abdur Razzak

So what do you guys think?

WarWolf
May 29, 2007, 11:01 AM
Rajin,SN,Golla(despite two gollas recently),Ash,Musfiq,Mash,Shahadat,Jr.,Rafiq(!)


Still SN? I think the boy needs a good break.

sadi
May 29, 2007, 11:26 AM
Shahariar Nafees can definitely use some rest. We are not helping him by trying to force him come back to form. He should go back and play pressure free domestic cricket and work on his game. Here is my lineup:

ODI

Tamim
Aftab
Tushar
Ashraful
Sakib
Mushfiq
Forhad
Mashrafee
Razzak
Rafique/Shahadat
Rasel

Test

Nafis Iqbal
Mehrab jr
Habibul Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Sakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mashrafee Mortaza
Mohammad Rafique
Enamul jr
Shahadat Hussain

The reason I didn't pick Tamim for the test matches is I want him to come to the side when he is fully ready. He should play a few more longer version of the game before making his debut. Nafis Iqbal has come back well from the injury and has been performing well recently. Rajin is doing well in the middle order and I will keep him there. I know Mehrab hasn't done enough to justify his inclusion in the national side but I don't see a spot for him in the middle order and he needs to open if he wants to make it. Tushar will be my backup in the middle order for the test matches.

Fazal
May 29, 2007, 11:58 AM
Shahariar Nafees can definitely use some rest. We are not helping him by trying to force him come back to form. He should go back and play pressure free domestic cricket and work on his game. Here is my lineup:

ODI

Tamim
Aftab
Tushar
Ashraful
Sakib
Mushfiq
Forhad
Mashrafee
Razzak
Rafique/Shahadat
Rasel

Test

Nafis Iqbal
Mehrab jr
Habibul Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Sakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mashrafee Mortaza
Mohammad Rafique
Enamul jr
Shahadat Hussain

The reason I didn't pick Tamim for the test matches is I want him to come to the side when he is fully ready. He should play a few more longer version of the game before making his debut. Nafis Iqbal has come back well from the injury and has been performing well recently. Rajin is doing well in the middle order and I will keep him there. I know Mehrab hasn't done enough to justify his inclusion in the national side but I don't see a spot for him in the middle order and he needs to open if he wants to make it. Tushar will be my backup in the middle order for the test matches.

I liked your team except for batting order in ODI. I think we need to be flexible (in batting order) based on team's need. Tamim, Aftab, Tushar (need to see before I feel comfortable) and Ash may be a recipe for batting disaster more often than success.


For test, I would prefer Tushar/Farhad ahead of Bashar. Tushar has the age and talent in his side, but somehow need a big score to get rid of his 'chocker' tag. I would rather like to take that risk than trying to extend Bashar's painful demise.

The other player I like very much is Farhad. I think if we are patient enough and stick with him for 2 series, we will atleast find a batsman who knows how to build an innings as well as how to score quickly when needed. We cannot predict future, but I have a feeling if we give him a chance and stick with him for 4/5 tests, he will end up a average of atleast 30+, which is better than lots of our experienced batsmans in the team.

LateCut
May 29, 2007, 12:25 PM
What do I think? I think they should just send ODI team. Play six ODIs and get out of playing tests until they are ready. That means play lot of domestic and regional first class games and get the hang of playing longer version of games. We are ga ga about the Asharful's 2nd innings knock. It was good ODI knock. He demonstrated the mind set of BD players. We must not play tests with this mind set.

Aritro
May 29, 2007, 12:27 PM
The other player I like very much is Farhad. I think if we are patient enough and stick with him for 2 series, we will atleast find a batsman who knows how to build an innings as well as how to score quickly when needed. We cannot predict future, but I have a feeling if we give him a chance and stick with him for 4/5 tests, he will end up a average of atleast 30+, which is better than lots of our experienced batsmans in the team.

I'd like to see Farhad used as a late order hitter... and kept far, far away from the ball.

sadi
May 29, 2007, 12:54 PM
I liked your team except for batting order in ODI. I think we need to be flexible (in batting order) based on team's need. Tamim, Aftab, Tushar (need to see before I feel comfortable) and Ash may be a recipe for batting disaster more often than success.


For test, I would prefer Tushar/Farhad ahead of Bashar. Tushar has the age and talent in his side, but somehow need a big score to get rid of his 'chocker' tag. I would rather like to take that risk than trying to extend Bashar's painful demise.


As much as I like Tushar and Forhad, I think it is fair to give Bashar a series or two before we count him out from the test squad. He is our best test batsman so far and we should give him enough chances to make the team solely as a batsman.

There is definitely some flexibility in the batting order in the odi side. We can send Mushfiq up if needed and have Sakib come in before Ashraful.

brishti
May 29, 2007, 05:15 PM
Kabir bhaiya really great Analysis!!!

My team for this series would be:

1.Tanim Iqbal
2.Nafis Iqbal
3.Tushar/Mehrab
4.Saqibul Hasan
5.Ashraful
6.Mushfiq
7.Mortoza
8.Rafique
9.Rasel
10.Razzak
11.Shahdat
Other people I have in my mind is : Shariar Nafees for opener or number 3(If he is in form).Rajin Saleh for the place of Tushar or Mehrab, other effective pace bowler like Dollar Mahmud and etc,Omar and Pilot and Basharif we really need them and or there is no other choice...... if u guys have any addition the pls be my guest!!!This is not my batting line up though!!

Off Topic:Hey Kabir bhaiya I just realized that u opened another successful thread without being scared....u know ur threadophoebia so congratulations !!!
:joy: :bravo:

who's TANIM ?:confused:

Sohel
May 29, 2007, 08:45 PM
He's not even a reliable performer for the Academy team, never mind the national team.

come watch him play bro... MAJOR TALENT. exceptional biomechanics, sees the ball VERY early like tamim... stat's aren't everything, but contextualize and look at those better stats also. click away: -

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55946.html

inspyr9
May 30, 2007, 05:16 AM
the off-spinner mahmudullah riyad is gonna go to SL

Sohel
May 30, 2007, 05:50 AM
I would've gone with Junaid Siddique only if the current coach was a few months old. But it turns out that our coach is very new, who'll be trying to adjust with the team. And then the team would have to adjust with the coach. In that process, a new member in the team will only mean lack of individual attention, and lack of cohesion. One of the most important thing is, there's a chance of some cleanup work after the new coach comes in. And at this point, I wouldn't just bring in new guys and try to make them play for the hang of it, and waste their career.

As for Forhad Reza, I mentioned earlier...that I have no knowledge about him. Would love to hear about him.

Dhiman Ghosh is the other keeper who's waiting in line for a chance if I'm not wrong. Heard he's a good batsman, and has better wicket keeping skills than Mushfiq. I would love this comnpetition to grow...and make Mushfiq and Dhiman compete for the position. But not just yet. May be after the new coach starts...and after the cleanup process is over.

i see your point K. i'd give junaid a taste of the big time and see what he does with it. the boy's HUGELY talented. he sees the ball well very early, much like tamim, and has good strokes in his arsenal. his shot selection gets better after he scores a 50. great ability to convert those to 100s from what i've seen. again, the talent's there to be SAFELY put under the spotlight, if only to help him understand the technical and temperamental adjustmments he'd need to make at the highest level. being a young player coming out of the McInnes HP system, i don't think he'll mitigate team cohesion in any way. stats: http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55946.html

forhad's not a good bowler, but not bad with the bat at all. if he plays his natural, somewhat cautious game occasionally interrupted by booming sixers, he can add put some valuable runs on the board without slowing things down too much. his ability to rotate the strike makes up for some of his technical limitations. he's a decent fielder also. i'm looking for 30s from him. stats: http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/55894.html

dhiman's a better keeper than mushy and a better batsman than pilot. but he lacks the all important attitude mushy brings into the game. the variety in mushy's technically more sound batting makes him the better choice for me, especially in a batting challenged team such as ours. dhiman's my only choice for a reserve keeper at this point.

stats mushy: http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56029.html
stats dhiman: http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56208.html

i'm just using the stats as a part of my post. bidda dichch'hina BTW...:)

thanks for your comments bro, always thought provoking.

Shafin
May 30, 2007, 11:00 AM
JO is in the best form of his life with regard to ODI's and deserve a chance,otherwise,not much to say.Tushar in place of Sumon would be the only other change,and when we will get desperate to change Rafiq,it will not be Enamul,He can't bat.

I'd also like to see Ashraful bowl some more.

Kabir
May 30, 2007, 12:30 PM
I was busy past couple of days so couldn't respond. Sorry.

Sadi bhai: I have a question for your ODI lineup. Assuming that it is the order in which you would like to send the playes in, don't you think Tushar Imran should be given the Ashraful treatment? That is, send him a little down the order, keep him pressure free, and let him concentrate on singles and not having to go for big shots early in the innings? Really, we should have the most dependable batsmen for #3 and 4.

LateCut: Can't agree with you there. Test cricket is, in my opinion, the REAL cricket. It teases you to play the shots, but still requires you to be patient in the field. And if there's anything that our players need to learn, it has to the balance between the temptation to score quickly and the temptation to stay ou in the middle for long hours.

Arirto: I think inclusion of Forhad can only be made based on his abilities to play as an allrounder. If we need late order hard hitting batsmen, we might as well put SN down there and make Tamim open with his brother Nafees Iqbal.

inspyr9: Where did you get the news about Mahmudullah RIyad? Source please?

Sohel bhai: Thanks for the details on Forhad and Dhiman. The problem that I'm trying to point out is that, since we know that a clean sweep is inevitable after the new coach comes in, we shouldn't include any new player right at this moment. Junaed and others, they're really young, and have another 15 to 20 years of career ahead of them. We sure can hold on for some time before their inclusion. Also, don't forget that our side itself is pretty young. The only reason we should include new players is to build our backup list, and make sure that our A-team is strong enough.

Shafin bhai: Can't agree about JO. Yes he's in his best form, but we can't possibly live with a player who has only a limited number of shots in his books. We need players who can play everywhere. And that's why I didn't have him my team.

sadi
May 30, 2007, 01:25 PM
Sadi bhai: I have a question for your ODI lineup. Assuming that it is the order in which you would like to send the playes in, don't you think Tushar Imran should be given the Ashraful treatment? That is, send him a little down the order, keep him pressure free, and let him concentrate on singles and not having to go for big shots early in the innings? Really, we should have the most dependable batsmen for #3 and 4.

Hey Kabir bhai, call me Sadi.

Well if we are to give Tushar an extended run this time and give enough opportunities, I will start off with giving him the spot he is most comfortable at. I will give him the whole series to prove his worth and if he still fail to make contribution then only I would think of Ash treatment. What he needs is full confidence from the side. No need to put additional pressure on him to perform by sending him in a spot he doesn't usually bat at and ask him to do the hard work when the team is down 40/4. From my understanding, Tushar is a batsman who can build an innings and don't go for big shots initially anyway. So let him get settled and if he does well, we will get a geniune number 3 batsman for years to come.

akabir77
May 30, 2007, 01:30 PM
There is no place for enamul in ODI yet. we need a off spinner for the SL trip and i think some one from A or dev team will get a call this time and he will be playing in for Rafiq. So here is what i think the team will be in ODI
1. SN
2. TI
3. Aftab
4. Sakib
5. Ash (C)
6. Tusher
7. Mushfiq
8. Mash
9. Razzak
10. New offie/rafiq
11. Rassell
12. Rajin

TEST team
1. Golla
2. SN
3. HB (C)
4. ASH
5. Sakib
6. Rajin/Tusher
7. Mash
8. Third all rounder
9. Rafiq
10. PILOT / may be some new keeper (not mushi)
11. shadat

Russell2k7
May 30, 2007, 01:38 PM
What is so special about Tushar? Anyway, I will give him the chance in SRL tour. If he fails---sayonara Tushar. Gave too many chances to Nafees, if he fails in SRL tour well Sayonara to him too and time to bring bak better player from Academy Side. Just need one good knock from him in either ODI or Tests and that would do for the time being.

SS
May 30, 2007, 01:45 PM
I believe we have to take those who are doing good in longer version of the game, hope it exists in our cricket system!

Go_Bangladesh
May 30, 2007, 02:05 PM
This is my team, but before writing about the team, I would like to say that I have only one confusion, that is for the opener for the one day team, S Nafees is playing bad so he should be given a break, remember there were many times when Ash got break when he was out of form, and Rajin is in form so I think he should open with Tamim, some might say it will be the same as Golla opening with Tamim, I kinda agree but this a temporary solution for the SriLanka series, my ideal team would have SN. Now for the test side, I want to get rid of Golla as he has done nothing of note in recent times so he is OUT, but I have to trust Bashar, he still has it in him and I believe he will come, maybe he too needs a break and should that happen, he will be in good form. Despite this, I think Bashar should remain in the test side. SO that so much talking this is the team I propose.

ODI
Tamim Iqbal
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Sakibul Hasan
Aftab Ahmed
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mashrafe Mortaze
Mohammad Rafique
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hossain
Syed Rasel

TEST
Nafis Iqbal
Mehrab Hossain
Habibul Bashar
Sakibul Hasan
Mohammad Ashraful
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mashrafe Mortaza
Mohammad Rafique
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hossain
Syed Rasel

Nafi
May 30, 2007, 02:11 PM
I disagree JO is a very good asset in test cricket.

akabir77
May 30, 2007, 02:18 PM
What is so special about Tushar? Anyway, I will give him the chance in SRL tour. If he fails---sayonara Tushar. Gave too many chances to Nafees, if he fails in SRL tour well Sayonara to him too and time to bring bak better player from Academy Side. Just need one good knock from him in either ODI or Tests and that would do for the time being.

In that rate you will use up all the players and still will not find your 11

SS
May 30, 2007, 02:50 PM
I don't know why it's so difficult to recruit top performers of longer version limited matches from NL and also top performer bowler to play in test and also top listed one batsmen and one bowler in ODI. We have nothing to loose and we already know how our current players are!!!

Sohel
May 30, 2007, 11:10 PM
Sohel bhai: Thanks for the details on Forhad and Dhiman. The problem that I'm trying to point out is that, since we know that a clean sweep is inevitable after the new coach comes in, we shouldn't include any new player right at this moment. Junaed and others, they're really young, and have another 15 to 20 years of career ahead of them. We sure can hold on for some time before their inclusion. Also, don't forget that our side itself is pretty young. The only reason we should include new players is to build our backup list, and make sure that our A-team is strong enough...

K, please call me sohel bro. bhai-tai dakar proyojon nei. i pretty much agree with you about harnessing fresh young talent before they have a shot at the big time. my poorly titled recent thread tried to provoke a discussion on the matter. your absence was sorely missed. here it is again: - http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=21594
please give me some feedback, especially on those predetermined performance standards.

having said all that, i think his remarkable talent makes junaed the sole exception to the rule. i think given the rather dismal state of our opening partnerships in both forms of the game, i'm not talking individual performances from openers here, the young man should be given the opportunity to have a taste, and open alongside tamim in all 3 ODIs in sri lanka. irrespective of what he actually does on the pitch, the opportunity will point to the adjustments he must start making now, before becoming a regualr for the 2011 world cup at home.

i'm also eagerly awaiting the much anticipated return of alok kapali and nafees iqbal to both the ODI and the test side.

sadi
May 30, 2007, 11:25 PM
Hey Sohel, I also liked Junaed's batting. I only saw him bat once on tv in a twenty twenty game. Since you are such a strong advocate of Junaed, I am assuming you have watched him bat a few more times than I did. If so, a little more details would be nice. He surely has talent but we don't want to waste such talent by bringing him up too early. He surely need to be more consistent and play a few more good knocks before getting a nod from the selectors.

Sohel
May 31, 2007, 01:38 AM
Hey Sohel, I also liked Junaed's batting. I only saw him bat once on tv in a twenty twenty game. Since you are such a strong advocate of Junaed, I am assuming you have watched him bat a few more times than I did. If so, a little more details would be nice. He surely has talent but we don't want to waste such talent by bringing him up too early. He surely need to be more consistent and play a few more good knocks before getting a nod from the selectors.

junaed, like ash, tamim and alok, sees the ball very early. he does not fear pace and the shorter balls, and awkward movements and bounces don't put him on the backfoot, waiting to get LBW-ed. his strokes off the front foot are nicely controlled and executed. he glances well along the leg side. he can make deft little adjustments to his natural game if needs be. his rajshahi team mate anisur rahman is the more hot headed type, despite his age (30).

i've had the chance to watch junaed play during the recent nationals. here are his team's stats from the limited over matches: -

Khulna V. Rajshahi, N’ganj, March 27, 2007: -

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/engine/match/267247.html

Barisal V. Rajshahi, Savar, March 29, 2007: -

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/engine/match/267250.html

Sylhet V. Rajshahi, N’ganj, March 31, 2007: -

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/engine/match/267253.html

Chittagong V. Rajshahi, N’ganj, April 2, 2007: -

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/engine/match/267256.html

Dhaka V. Rajshahi, Dhaka, April 4, 2007: -

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/engine/match/267259.html

junaed did very well except in two matches. shanto got him out with his best delivery of the day in the sylhet match, where alok stole the show with his beautiful, technically sound batting, and great fielding... at least for me. the edge back to sajjad kadir against dhaka was good deceptive stuff from an otherwise unimpressive dipajjal dey on a terrible day for bowlers.

last words on juaned: the more you see him, the more you start to believe in what he's capable of doing. most local bowlers do not challange him anymore. he needs to have a taste of the bigtime in lanka to see what he needs to do in order to play the better bowlers at the international level just as effectively. SN needs a break and golla's ODI days should've been over a while ago, because he has never learned to rotate the strike or overcome his technical limitations as an opener. this is the time. i have nafees iqbal batting at number three just in case.

Salemin
May 31, 2007, 03:12 AM
Very relevant thread. It would have been interesting to see a poll on the same.

My ODI Team:

1. Tamim
2. Rajin
3. Aftab (Position can be changed depending on the game)
4. Ashraful
5. Shaqib
6. Tushar/ Alok/
7. Mushfiq
8. Mashrafe
9. Razzaq
10. Rasel
11. Rafiq/ Enamul/ Shahadat/ Some-one-new

Reserve: SN (incase Rajin doesn't perform as the need of the team, Dollar, Farhad

Salemin
May 31, 2007, 03:20 AM
My Test Team:

1. Rajin
2. Mushfiq
3. Shaqib
4. Aftab/ Tamim (I will play only one of them)
5. Ashraful
6. Tushar
7. Alok
8. Mashrafe
9. Razzaq
10.Shahadat
11.Enamul

WarWolf
May 31, 2007, 04:08 AM
the off-spinner mahmudullah riyad is gonna go to SL
What type of a bowler is he in reality? Cricinfo says he is a medium fast bowler while from your post i find him to be off-spinner.

fai_hasan
May 31, 2007, 04:20 AM
mama there would be three test matches and three one days. we must take 4-5 extra cricketer and check them time to time. Rajin saleh must be included as he proved himself with India.

Lets see how Ashraful manages the team, and lets ready for a big fight.

One World
June 1, 2007, 10:17 AM
Test: Rajin, Golla, Sakib, Ash, Rakibul, Mushfik, Aftab, Mashrafe, Shahdat, Rafique, Razzak

ODI: Tamim, Rajin, Sakib, Ash, Aftab, Mushfik, Alok, Mashrafe, Rafique, Razzak, Rasel

Its almost same as Only1Raz except Enamul Jr and Mehrab Jr. I think Rakibul can get a chance and Mehrab/Tushar can be the twelfth man.

SS
June 1, 2007, 10:23 AM
junaed, like ash, tamim and alok, sees the ball very early. he does not fear pace and the shorter balls, and awkward movements and bounces don't put him on the backfoot, waiting to get LBW-ed. his strokes off the front foot are nicely controlled and executed. he glances well along the leg side. he can make deft little adjustments to his natural game if needs be. his rajshahi team mate anisur rahman is the more hot headed type, despite his age (30).

i've had the chance to watch junaed play during the recent nationals. here are his team's stats from the limited over matches: -
junaed did very well except in two matches. shanto got him out with his best delivery of the day in the sylhet match, where alok stole the show with his beautiful, technically sound batting, and great fielding... at least for me. the edge back to sajjad kadir against dhaka was good deceptive stuff from an otherwise unimpressive dipajjal dey on a terrible day for bowlers.

last words on juaned: the more you see him, the more you start to believe in what he's capable of doing. most local bowlers do not challange him anymore. he needs to have a taste of the bigtime in lanka to see what he needs to do in order to play the better bowlers at the international level just as effectively. SN needs a break and golla's ODI days should've been over a while ago, because he has never learned to rotate the strike or overcome his technical limitations as an opener. this is the time. i have nafees iqbal batting at number three just in case.
Yes time to move forward, thanks Sohel_NR for giving the info. Did you recently watch their batting in leagues?
We don't have that many days so lets discuss the best options for better performance for the upcoming SL series.

Kabir
June 2, 2007, 10:41 AM
last words on juaned: the more you see him, the more you start to believe in what he's capable of doing. most local bowlers do not challange him anymore. he needs to have a taste of the bigtime in lanka to see what he needs to do in order to play the better bowlers at the international level just as effectively.

Okay, now I see your point about Junaed's inclusion. But I guess I couldn't get my point across. Remember when Ashraful was included in the team? He was seen as a one-of-a-kind batsman, who could do anything. He was promoted directly to the top...just to make a crybaby out of him. And now, with sufficient exposure and maturity, he's coming back to life.

The point I'm making here is, it's AWSUM to have such a great player in the team. But at the same time, we should realize that just to make him taste the big challenge won't make a man out of this kid. We need to nurture this talent, and expose him to international cricket slowly. Send him with the U-19 team to tours, send him to the Australian tour (it's this year if I'm not wrong), send him to play county cricket. Only then, with proper variations, he'll actually turn out to be a man.

i have nafees iqbal batting at number three just in case.

Speaking of Nafis Iqbal, I heard he's doing well in domestic cricket these days? I really hope he can come back to the squad. We need a very tight competition...so that the players thrive to stay in the team...and not consider their place in the squad as something given. As soon as that changes, you'll see a major change in their attitude.

Sohel
June 3, 2007, 04:25 AM
Speaking of Nafis Iqbal, I heard he's doing well in domestic cricket these days? I really hope he can come back to the squad. We need a very tight competition...so that the players thrive to stay in the team...and not consider their place in the squad as something given. As soon as that changes, you'll see a major change in their attitude.

your point is clear and totally reasonable. however, the reality on the ground does not allow us the time we could all use to do things right at this stage.

on to nafees iqbal.

despite the undeniable talent. nafees continues to have problems with his shot selection as an opening batsman whenever he tries to get aggressive. still, i think he should be selected because: 1) talent (the most subtle of things can turn it around for these guys), 2) international experience (more important than domestic cricket because of obvious difference in quality), and most importantly, 3) SN needs a break right about now (another string of failures can permanently damage his psyche). i'll pick talent over domestic performance any day - if the combination of the two is NOT available, as they aren't at this moment - because talent always has the better chance of performing against significantly better quality bowlers at the international stage. vaas, malinga and murali are not shahzadas, ziaur rahmans and the fahim muntasirs of deshi first class.

now a little detour over to test cricket.

nafees iqbal has the better odds at achieving success at the international level than let's say a less technically sound, but perhaps better performing player like an imran ahmed, mehrab junior, gazi salauddin, nazmus sadat, or hannan sarkar to name a few.

junaid siddique, despite a 4-day average of 34 with a 55% SR, is not ready for the longer version yet, no matter how hard he tries to stay at the crease.

raqibul hasan nirala is the better real test cricket prospect, but as the dramatically improved player of late, he needs to play more international matches with junior BD sides before coming into the spotlight... he has played only 9 FC matches to date. that being said, he'll probably be selected for this tour ahead of nafees iqbal anyway. average of 58 with 50% SR, and the reamrkable HS of 313 NO and 121 against sri lanka U-19, are tough figures to ignore. he's certainly better than mehrab jr. from what i've seen.

considering the grim state of affairs, i'd select nafees iqbal as the sensible choice while SN is rested during the lanka tour. junaid would be my selection for the ODIs for reasons i've gone into in previous posts. nirala will be the gamble i'd be reluctant to take at this stage for the longer version of the game. mehrab junior, despite having slightly better technique than JO, would not get my nod ahead of the two i've just mentioned. i'd rather continue with the experience of JO, despite his inability to rotate the strike before putting the bad ones away, and bite the bullet when the strokeless wonder tries to hog the crease before getting LBW-ed by the 6th over, than see his younger clone do the same without that valuable experience that just might cut the mustard better when the time comes. futility at its best amidst the sea of grey. RAJIN SALEH IS NOT AN OPENER.

nafees iqbal, career stats: -
http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56064.html

raquibul hasan nirala, career stats: -
http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/56093.html

nafees' recent limited overs performances during the last nationals: -

1. chittagong v. sylhet- 56 from 84, 8-4s, SR 67%
2. chittagong v. khulna- 16 from 29, 3-4s, SR 55%
3. chittagong v. dhaka- 15 from 34, 1-4, SR 44%
4. chittagong v. rajshahi- 8 from 7, 2-4s, SR 114%
5. chittagong v. barisal- benched.

he showed some fine stuff against a mediocre syloti attack without the pace and bounce of tapash. as talented as he may be, he's CLEARLY not an ODI opener anymore. i'd play him at # 3 in the first ODI, and lower down the order if need be in the next two, if selected to relplace SN who badly needs a rest.

nafees iqbal, 4-day match performances during the last nationals: -

the first round- benched.

1. chittagong v. dhaka- 13 from 25 (1st) and 49 from 126 (2nd)
2. chittagong v. barisal- 6 from 32 (1st) and 0 from 15 (2nd)
3. chittagong v. khulna- 24 from 51 (1st) and 37 from 68 (2nd)
4. chittagong v. rajshahi- 77 from 171 (1st) and 4 from 5 (2nd)

he was clearly trying modify his natural game to hold on to his wicket, and the longer he lasted the more runs he scored. a better player with all the strokes in the book trying to find himself in a golla situation. not too many openers, save tamim, faired that much better than him BTW from my limited and convoluted vantage point. sorry state of affairs for prospective test openers. SN must get his form back ASAP and he knows it. talk about pressure... give the kid a break i say.

check out the opening partnerships in these score cards: -
http://ind.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2006-07/BDESH_LOCAL/NCL/SCORECARDS/

Kabir
June 25, 2007, 01:07 PM
I'll be shameless and bump up my own thread here. But I wish the selectors saw this discussion before the selection.

Until they act with some ghilu up in their brain, all our discussion is useless.