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SideWinder
May 28, 2007, 04:26 PM
In the WC, I didn't see him shine so much, more so Rivelino (this is for you footballaholics don't post till you've thoroughly recapped your footie knowhow)....and he played in a league which is crap (brazil; weak defence, weak players, tricksters...)

Was he so good,

Maradona is the greatest ever in my opinion, followed by the Ronaldo if he wasn't injured.

Special 1
May 29, 2007, 09:54 AM
he won 3 world cups. Was the main player in 1970, scored 5 goals in 1958. 62 got injured and 66was horribly marked. First player to score 1000 goals. That is a great record. and he was really good.
Is he a better player that maradona? Yes he is. Does Maradona have more skills than he does? Yes.
But i think Ronaldinho is better than both of them in terms of skills and by the time he ends his career he will be the greatest player ever.

Tigers_eye
May 29, 2007, 11:22 AM
He was all that and some. He was the black pearl for whom Football was invented. He is up there with Ali.

Yeah, and players from that weak leagues were world beaters year after year.

You can have your opinion. Many Welsh believe it was Ian Rush, no harm done.

akabir77
May 29, 2007, 12:13 PM
oh to add to that he never acted like maradonna did most of the time (55 min acting, 10 min playing with hand, 5 min passing, 20min dogging).. Also when pele played there were no touch and foul rule either...

Hatebreed
May 29, 2007, 01:11 PM
AFAIK, in his time Pele was the best ever. It's not his doing how the circumstances were under which he played. If he was fortunate to be, how come others weren't? Excessive physical play and violent tackling doesn't mean it's better football. Pele's international record speaks for themselves. Fans and critics alike have voted him as the greatest time and again.

SideWinder
May 29, 2007, 01:15 PM
I am a Brazil fan through and through...but pele being better than maradona...I cannot comprehend.

He is so overrated. I saw the full 1970 game; he was supposed to be in his peak that tournament; he barely did anything...crappy player.
Maradona is your man.

Tigers_eye
May 29, 2007, 02:34 PM
I am a Brazil fan through and through...but pele being better than maradona...I cannot comprehend.

He is so overrated. I saw the full 1970 game; he was supposed to be in his peak that tournament; he barely did anything...crappy player.
Maradona is your man.
What is your motive here? When you can not comprehend something it is better not to talk about it. GOOGLE can get you so much info on him that you won't finish reading in a year. may be then you can comprehend.

Trying to instigate a fight? or trying to impose your weak ideas/thoughts on to others?

Special 1
May 29, 2007, 03:27 PM
haha based on one game in the 1970 world cup he thinks pele is not as good as maradona. This guy is a joker.

SideWinder
May 29, 2007, 04:47 PM
haha based on one game in the 1970 world cup he thinks pele is not as good as maradona. This guy is a joker.

Tumi bujo na, ami Peler ONEEEEK match dekhesi. Tomar boyosh janina, kinto chuto belar shomoy ami Peler shob guli World Cup match dekhesi. Thake goto bochorey shob guli video youtubeo koresi. Am dekhesi ja dekhar moto...Maradonai footboller raja. Amar opinion, respect ektu korun...Dhonnobad.

SideWinder
May 29, 2007, 04:50 PM
What is your motive here? When you can not comprehend something it is better not to talk about it. GOOGLE can get you so much info on him that you won't finish reading in a year. may be then you can comprehend.

Trying to instigate a fight? or trying to impose your weak ideas/thoughts on to others?

LOL. I am saying: I CANNOT UNDERSTAND IN WHAT WAY IS PELE BETTER THAN MARADONA. Answer me that; then speak. Your eyes don't do justice to your username.

Ami google thi-keey marsi.

Marra marri kut thekey elo bhai? Allahu! Ami impose marsi? Ami proshno jiggesh korlam (title thread) tarpor opinion dilam. Bas. Tumi to Mashallah Sherlock Holmser moto; kintu Three Stooges grab and kill mentality diye. Ei poth jiboner shothik poth na bhai. Lifey kothaw nibena. E-)

SideWinder
May 29, 2007, 04:52 PM
Arey bhai? Comprehend am i mean kori nay jeta ami buka....ami mean koreci fairly judge maira TARPOR am bujhina kemne pele are balo player manosh bole????

Special 1
May 29, 2007, 06:51 PM
Maradona is a cheat! That simple fact alone will be enough for him not being the best footballer ever.
And like i sed Ronaldinho is better in skills than Maradona.
The reason why Pele is the greatest is because he was really skillful as well as a great sportsman

Hatebreed
May 29, 2007, 07:02 PM
I'm getting an unwilling desire to agree with Special 1 this once.

Sohel
May 30, 2007, 06:02 AM
pele never made diving an integral part of his game, score with his hand, did a wide variety of performance enhancing AND recreational drugs, made going in and out of rehab joints a part of his lifestyle, got a liposuction only to get fat again, and then check back into yet another rehab center. pele also won 3 world cups and scored 1000 goals. Special 1 and Hatebreed are spot on. the few names dropped in the opening remarks couldn't mask those narcissistic, childish undertones.

SideWinder
May 30, 2007, 07:26 AM
[QUOTE=Special 1;469392]Maradona is a cheat! That simple fact alone will be enough for him not being the best footballer ever.
And like i sed Ronaldinho is better in skills than Maradona.
The reason why Pele is the greatest is because he was really skillful as well as a great sportsman[/QUO


Then how come Maradona was voted the greatest by the fans? But only a select band of fifa people chose pele??? Special???

Pele HAD NO WAY NEAR enough skills as Maradona.

Ronaldinho isn't better in skills; where does Ronaldhinhos skills take him in a match? Can he rip past defences??? :floor: :floor:

SideWinder
May 30, 2007, 07:28 AM
Pele played in the Brazil league; a team with tricksters but with crappy defence...Dona played with the big boys...

rah
May 30, 2007, 08:05 AM
yes bruv pele is da guy to hype about

Special 1
May 30, 2007, 01:57 PM
[quote=Special 1;469392]Maradona is a cheat! That simple fact alone will be enough for him not being the best footballer ever.
And like i sed Ronaldinho is better in skills than Maradona.
The reason why Pele is the greatest is because he was really skillful as well as a great sportsman[/QUO


Then how come Maradona was voted the greatest by the fans? But only a select band of fifa people chose pele??? Special???

Pele HAD NO WAY NEAR enough skills as Maradona.

Ronaldinho isn't better in skills; where does Ronaldhinhos skills take him in a match? Can he rip past defences??? :floor: :floor:

Just like Amitabh Bacchan and sharukh khan voted best actors in the world. I think specialists will always know more than the avg Joe re there area of their speciality.

Well I guess you havent seen enough of Pele. And I do not know what u mean by Skills. He scored more goals than Maradona, prolly had more assists than him as well. Maather moddhe jonglir moto douranoi jodi skill hoito, Denilson would have been number 1 in the world.

Clearly You havent seen Ronaldinho play. the array of moves Ronaldino has is way way more than maradona. Does Maradona even have a signature move, see Ronaldinho's elastic move, Maradona can try for his entirelife, but wont succeed.

SideWinder
May 30, 2007, 03:00 PM
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Just like Amitabh Bacchan and sharukh khan voted best actors in the world. I think specialists will always know more than the avg Joe re there area of their speciality.

Well I guess you havent seen enough of Pele. And I do not know what u mean by Skills. He scored more goals than Maradona, prolly had more assists than him as well. Maather moddhe jonglir moto douranoi jodi skill hoito, Denilson would have been number 1 in the world.

Clearly You havent seen Ronaldinho play. the array of moves Ronaldino has is way way more than maradona. Does Maradona even have a signature move, see Ronaldinho's elastic move, Maradona can try for his entirelife, but wont succeed.


Tumi ekta average joe bhai. ZIDANER TURN HOLO MARADONAR ABISHKAR. RONALDINHOR ELASTIC MOVE RIVELINOR ABISHKAR. RONALDO (MOTA TA) ENESILO (REVIVE MERESE) IN THE 90s.

Bhai...tumi to KICHCHUI janono footballer. Jan..cricket khali dekhiyo.

Skill and achievement dui bhabe jai. Skill eka kichu korena (Ronaldinho + Denilson)

Bhai..quit while your ahead...sorry you are not.
Ill-informed comments like Maradona has no signature move :lol: :lol: :lol: leave a humiliating mark.

SideWinder
May 30, 2007, 03:02 PM
Pro? ALLAH!!! AMAR TO 300000 IQ NAI, TO AMI BUJBONA MARADONA PELER CHEYE ARO KHARAP. Khali FIFAR 12 jon manush buje.......acha acha. Bhai...ki ar bolar acey??? Riyaz is the new Dicaprio?

SideWinder
May 30, 2007, 03:03 PM
[quote=SideWinder;469603]

Just like Amitabh Bacchan and sharukh khan voted best actors in the world. I think specialists will always know more than the avg Joe re there area of their speciality.

Well I guess you havent seen enough of Pele. And I do not know what u mean by Skills. He scored more goals than Maradona, prolly had more assists than him as well. Maather moddhe jonglir moto douranoi jodi skill hoito, Denilson would have been number 1 in the world.

Clearly You havent seen Ronaldinho play. the array of moves Ronaldino has is way way more than maradona. Does Maradona even have a signature move, see Ronaldinho's elastic move, Maradona can try for his entirelife, but wont succeed.


Ami Ronaldinhor khela dekhesi. Youtuber compilation khali taar finest moment dekhay...full moment dekhley bujba KEMON player she.

Maradonar moto khelowar ar nai.

SideWinder
May 30, 2007, 03:35 PM
Pele v Maradona

This week Dr Sangha takes mild offence at the assertion Pele was the greatest living footballer.

Your article titled Pele Plays Down Brazil Bid dated May 18 2006 states in the final paragraph 'Pele is considered the greatest player in the history of the game.'

I was shocked to see your website which is clearly dated in 2006 to be so out-of-date - 20 years after Maradona 'rocked the world' and included your own prejudice 'British footballing nation' - that you can degrade the integrity of your website by stating such an ambiguous fact so absolutely.

It was clear that the writer of this article must also be British and for him I would especially like to request for the good of the worldwide footballing nation that read and rely on such media as these propaganda-flowing articles to please take your head out of your ***!

Even though Maradona has been outcast by the world, he took a shabby Argentina side all the way to two World Cup Finals (along with dominating all the way from midfield to finish, frequently from even deeper in the field) whereas Pele played for the best team-roster on paper that ever existed in the history of football along with the role of only having to finish as a striker that what had been placed in front of him on a "silver platter". I do not even carry the burden of accurate journalism on my shoulders as I am not a sports writer but I am still wise enough not to 'shoot myself in the foot' by clearly stating the obvious - Maradona dethroned Pele 20 years ago.

The writer is a disgrace to football because of one of the three following facts (or even perhaps all of them):

1) He is a 'gimp' of the governing bodies of soccer and the media who have tried to shun Maradona out from the limelight that rightfully belonged to him and give him the role of the 'scapegoat' due to a fear of public association with 'evil', as they attempt to mask their scam-ridden system (for example, does anybody from the 'corruption-free' Fifa governing body ever publicise or mention the Mexican referee who admitted to being paid-off to give Germany the penalty kick in the dying moments of the 1990 World Cup Final that robbed the World Cup from Argentina's hands?). All this occurring simultaneously as Pele and Fifa share their symbiotic relationship unconditional worshipping and place this 'pet' in the front-line as Fifa's ambassador of this sport:

2) The so-called 'writer' is unable to appreciate and differentiate talent on the field from shortcomings in a man that are off the field and possibly..

3) The writer of this article is none other than the man (which I hesitatingly call him) Pele himself (who has never shied away from tooting his own horn).

I ask for the good of football for your website to take action at the minimalist of levels by at least altering the last statement in this article; there should be penalties for stating fiction as fact since this was clearly not an opinion of the author; according to him this ridiculous inference is fact: Last time I checked, Maradona had won the worldwide internet voting as the best player in the world at the turn of the millennium.

I would like to conclude by offering my knowledge of this great sport to your informationally challenged writer or perhaps even replacing him.
Dr. Sangha


I agree with Dr Sangha. Yes , I do. To the person who commented on the use of drugs by Maradona to enhance his performance...please note: Maradona declared his genius on the pitch way before he started using cocaine. As Gary Lineker said on TV, Diego Maradona's football skills are head and shoulders above any footballer's, ever. I also, agree with the Dr on Pele. Unfortunately, he's become Fifa's pet, el Nene lindo de Brazil. Shame. *All comments are anonymous

Bengaliprince176
May 30, 2007, 04:31 PM
Too young to really make a judgement, but my uncle (a die hard footie fan) used to tell me Maradona was better skillwise, but having met Pele in Kolkata as a young lad, Pele will always be his hero

Hatebreed
May 30, 2007, 05:19 PM
Pele is not just the greatest footballer, but also football personality. That's more than I can say for Maradona.

SideWinder
May 30, 2007, 05:31 PM
Pele is not just the greatest footballer, but also football personality. That's more than I can say for Maradona.
Funny. You'd think ANY person who did that has personality. Look at him go.....legend

http://www.youtube.com/?v=ebs7Qe2nmOI

Hatebreed
May 30, 2007, 05:42 PM
Funny. You'd think ANY person who did that has personality. Look at him go.....legend

http://www.youtube.com/?v=ebs7Qe2nmOI

So dancing makes someone a better personality? Your jokes aren't even funny. Don't quit your day job.

SideWinder
May 30, 2007, 06:22 PM
So dancing makes someone a better personality? Your jokes aren't even funny. Don't quit your day job.

He loves the fans....he played for the fans. He was VOTED BY THE FANS....

btw, where was I joking?

Special 1
May 30, 2007, 07:14 PM
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Tumi ekta average joe bhai. ZIDANER TURN HOLO MARADONAR ABISHKAR. RONALDINHOR ELASTIC MOVE RIVELINOR ABISHKAR. RONALDO (MOTA TA) ENESILO (REVIVE MERESE) IN THE 90s.

Bhai...tumi to KICHCHUI janono footballer. Jan..cricket khali dekhiyo.

Skill and achievement dui bhabe jai. Skill eka kichu korena (Ronaldinho + Denilson)

Bhai..quit while your ahead...sorry you are not.
Ill-informed comments like Maradona has no signature move :lol: :lol: :lol: leave a humiliating mark.

Well i wasent aware of the fact that he was the inventer of the Roullete.
Ronaldinho created the elastic move, it is different from rivelinos. So, i guess u are as misinformed as i am.

And he definately has more skills than maradona, he single handedly won barca the CL last time around.

And talking about achievement. ROnaldinho has achieved more than maradona. HE won the world cup in 2002 at the age of 19. Won the CL, won Spanish league, ; Maradona never won the champions league or the equivalent of that. Oh he won player of the year twice, I think maradona won it once.

SideWinder
May 30, 2007, 07:38 PM
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Well i wasent aware of the fact that he was the inventer of the Roullete.
Ronaldinho created the elastic move, it is different from rivelinos. So, i guess u are as misinformed as i am.

And he definately has more skills than maradona, he single handedly won barca the CL last time around.

And talking about achievement. ROnaldinho has achieved more than maradona. HE won the world cup in 2002 at the age of 19. Won the CL, won Spanish league, ; Maradona never won the champions league or the equivalent of that. Oh he won player of the year twice, I think maradona won it once.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: All i have to say to you.

Ronaldinho, at 19 scored 1 goal i think in the whole tournament...ronaldo scored around 4 when he was around that age in his cup.

ELASTICO WAS:
Made by rivelino END OF.
Ronaldo revived that skill in 1997...now Ronaldhinho is trying to pull it off as his own.
Ronaldhino and the CL....oh, he begs for the bal....everytime the barca players have the ball..they give it to him...spoon feed. he hasnt done jack...maradona...well...he didnt need assists. he was the assist maker and the goal scorer..the MAN ? Your funny...Maradona SINGLE HANDEDLY won the cup...the WORLD CUP. Ronaldinhos a good player, Maradonas a great team. Maradona doesn't need trophies to cement his status

MARADONA NEVER WON THE WORLD PLAYER OF THE YEAR...DOES THAT MEAN THAT HE ISN'T GREAT? THE FACT THAT HE DIDNT WIN DESPITE BEING BETTER THAN ALL THE WINNERS PROVES THAT HE IS THE GREATEST.
Tumar matha kharap??? MARADONA WON THE SPANISH LEAGUE WITH BARCA...HE WON THE I T A L I A N LEAGUE WITH AN UNKNOWN TEAM CALLED NAPOLI...THRICE....THEY WERE LIKE 14TH IN THE LEAGUE BEFORE HE CAME...HE EVEN TOOK THEM TO WIN THE ITALIAN CUP...DON'T TELL ME ABOUT ACHEIVEMENTS...DONA WON THE LOT. ALL OF THEM SINGLEHANDEDLY. HE WAS A MIDFIELDER. TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, AND HIS GOAL SCORING IS FANTASTIC.

Don't mention SKILLS infront of MARADONA. What ronaldinho does is 'tricks'. not skill. dont get confused.

ekhon ghumao. kalke amake hashayo ok???:wave:

Special 1
May 31, 2007, 12:20 AM
[quote=Special 1;469914]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: All i have to say to you.

Ronaldinho, at 19 scored 1 goal i think in the whole tournament...ronaldo scored around 4 when he was around that age in his cup.

ELASTICO WAS:
Made by rivelino END OF.
Ronaldo revived that skill in 1997...now Ronaldhinho is trying to pull it off as his own.
Ronaldhino and the CL....oh, he begs for the bal....everytime the barca players have the ball..they give it to him...spoon feed. he hasnt done jack...maradona...well...he didnt need assists. he was the assist maker and the goal scorer..the MAN ? Your funny...Maradona SINGLE HANDEDLY won the cup...the WORLD CUP. Ronaldinhos a good player, Maradonas a great team. Maradona doesn't need trophies to cement his status

MARADONA NEVER WON THE WORLD PLAYER OF THE YEAR...DOES THAT MEAN THAT HE ISN'T GREAT? THE FACT THAT HE DIDNT WIN DESPITE BEING BETTER THAN ALL THE WINNERS PROVES THAT HE IS THE GREATEST.
Tumar matha kharap??? MARADONA WON THE SPANISH LEAGUE WITH BARCA...HE WON THE I T A L I A N LEAGUE WITH AN UNKNOWN TEAM CALLED NAPOLI...THRICE....THEY WERE LIKE 14TH IN THE LEAGUE BEFORE HE CAME...HE EVEN TOOK THEM TO WIN THE ITALIAN CUP...DON'T TELL ME ABOUT ACHEIVEMENTS...DONA WON THE LOT. ALL OF THEM SINGLEHANDEDLY. HE WAS A MIDFIELDER. TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, AND HIS GOAL SCORING IS FANTASTIC.

Don't mention SKILLS infront of MARADONA. What ronaldinho does is 'tricks'. not skill. dont get confused.

ekhon ghumao. kalke amake hashayo ok???:wave:

Ronaldinho, was one of the main reason Brazil won that world cup. He was involved in all the goals against england. he got a red card in that game hence couldnt play much. He was simply brilliant in that world cup. Maradona's first world cup, Argentina dint make it to the secong round.

The elastic move you are talking about was invented by revilino, and ronaldo and ronaldinho both do it. Ronaldinho's elastic move is sth different. Check it out on you tube.

About barca players giving him the ball. There is another two stars in Barca called messi and Decco. You truly do not watch enough of barcelona do you? Did you see the games in the CL last year at all?
No one is denying Maradona is great player. i donno why u are bringing it up. And yes Maradona did win the player of the year in 1986. Yes he won with napoli because he was a great player.
What is this deal with skills not being tricks. Ronaldinho can dribble as well as Maradona and definately has more tricks that Maradona. Remember u are comparing Ronaldinho at the age of 25 with Maradona who has finished his career.

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 04:33 AM
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1. Ronaldinho, was one of the main reason Brazil won that world cup. He was involved in all the goals against england. he got a red card in that game hence couldnt play much. 2He was simply brilliant in that world cup. Maradona's first world cup, Argentina dint make it to the secong round.

3The elastic move you are talking about was invented by revilino, and ronaldo and ronaldinho both do it. Ronaldinho's elastic move is sth different. Check it out on you tube.

About barca players giving him the ball. There is another two stars in Barca called messi and Decco. You truly do not watch enough of barcelona do you? Did you see the games in the CL last year at all? 4
No one is denying Maradona is great player. i donno why u are bringing it up. And yes 5Maradona did win the player of the year in 1986. Yes he won with napoli because he was a great player.
6 What is this deal with skills not being tricks. Ronaldinho can dribble as well as Maradona and definately has more tricks that Maradona. Remember u are comparing Ronaldinho at the age of 25 with Maradona who has finished his career.


Ronaldinho had A MINIMAL role in the 2002 World Cup. He did nothing. You must be getting confused with the man who averaged a goal a game that WC (ended up with 8...and 3 when he was fat...and 4 when he was Ronaldinhos age...RONALDINHO HAD BRILLIANT TEAM.....YET, HE HAS SCORED 1 GOAL IN TWO WORLD CUP...BECKHAM HAS SCORED MORE IN HIS PAST TWO CUP...:floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: , especially with the 2 in the final...the big match man RONALDO. Ronaldo is head and shoulders above Pele (pre injury) Ronaldo played in a different era of toughness...and made it look easy. He was faster than Henry, stronger than Koeman and had more skills than Ronaldinho; Ronaldinhos skills are nothing to me. Just those Nike ADs piss me off...they are so fake. Maradona was the legit skill-maker; Ronaldinho is a poor quality photocopy. The flying elastico was brought by Ronaldo (the aerial on in the Portugal/Nike ad) he'l never be able to do that on turf; IT WAS AN AD...THE PLAYERS WERE P A Y E D TO LET HIM DO THAT. THEY STOOD THERE ON PURPOSE AND GAVE HIM TIME.

Oh, and special, you're quick to minimalise Maradona in his first cup, but not his second and third???? Maradona won the cup by himself; alone when he was 26. Ronaldinho at 25 has done nothing in 2006 WC, despite having the best team in the world :floor: :floor: ) Ridicule. Maradona at 25 didn't reach his peak..he carried on... (he won the cup then)...Ronaldinho won't get much better than he is. He will never beat Maradona in dribbling. NO ONE WILL. If you want a brazilian who could dribble possibly better than the Maradona himself, go look at some pre-1999 Ronaldo. During those years he quite possibly was the greatest player ever on the earth. So there is Messi and Deco only? 11-2-1= 8. The other 8. All of them (save sometimes defenders o.c) bloody give him the ball whenever they got it. Even if they are in a good position and Ronaldinho is in a bad one; they'll give it to him..not because he's the best..its because he's crap. Maradona didn't become so great to have stuck up rubbish players like Ronaldinho (who act all it....when he misses a penalty, or a drop dead goal, or a freekick, he puts his hands up on his head and smiles), misses every freekick, gets jeers, misses a drop down shot, gets jeered. Maradona kept it silent and slotted them it. No one on earth had more vision, skill and assists than Maradona; Ronaldinho....a tribute to crappiness....he isn't a footballer; he's a futsaller. He hasn't got the build, the pace, the height..he's anorexic and without power. Two dainty tricks will get you nowhere. That's why players who did the occasional fancy move did better (Van Basten)..Ronaldinho always tries it...don't you watch ESP league? Everytime he tries it he gets tackled???. Maradona was short, but his low center of gravity gave him the natural edge)
DON NEVER WON THE WORLD PLAYER OF THE YEAR...BECAUSE THERE IS YET TO BE AN ARGENTINE PLAYER TO WIN THE WPOFTY.......:floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: tumi jodi khelar kichu na jano, eto adamant hoyo na..aro ijjot jai.
Bro, I know you're not denying the Don's greatness; then don't make comments like Maradona has acheived nothing...etc. That just shows idiocy.

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 04:41 AM
After being scouted by Piet de Visser, he was soon transferred for US$6 million to PSV Eindhoven, where he scored 42 goals in 46 league games and reached a total of 55 goals in 57 official appearances. Later he attracted the attention of Spain's FC Barcelona. He played for Barça in the 1996-97 season, scoring 34 goals in 37 appearances (47 in 49, including appearances in the Copa del Rey and European Cup Winners Cup), and then transferred to Inter Milan the following year, helping them win the 1997/98 UEFA Cup. As of 2006, Ronaldo is the last player to score more than 30 goals in 1 season in the Spanish La Liga.

A year after the 1998 FIFA World Cup, he severely injured his right knee and was out of the game for several months.
[edited] THAT RONALDINHO!!!!

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 04:48 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ BTW Special1, Ronaldinho is 27....he's got a alot of catching up to do.. :)

Special 1
May 31, 2007, 06:25 AM
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Ronaldinho had A MINIMAL role in the 2002 World Cup. He did nothing. You must be getting confused with the man who averaged a goal a game that WC (ended up with 8...and 3 when he was fat...and 4 when he was Ronaldinhos age...RONALDINHO HAD BRILLIANT TEAM.....YET, HE HAS SCORED 1 GOAL IN TWO WORLD CUP...BECKHAM HAS SCORED MORE IN HIS PAST TWO CUP...:floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: , especially with the 2 in the final...the big match man RONALDO. Ronaldo is head and shoulders above Pele (pre injury) Ronaldo played in a different era of toughness...and made it look easy. He was faster than Henry, stronger than Koeman and had more skills than Ronaldinho; Ronaldinhos skills are nothing to me. Just those Nike ADs piss me off...they are so fake. Maradona was the legit skill-maker; Ronaldinho is a poor quality photocopy. The flying elastico was brought by Ronaldo (the aerial on in the Portugal/Nike ad) he'l never be able to do that on turf; IT WAS AN AD...THE PLAYERS WERE P A Y E D TO LET HIM DO THAT. THEY STOOD THERE ON PURPOSE AND GAVE HIM TIME.

Oh, and special, you're quick to minimalise Maradona in his first cup, but not his second and third???? Maradona won the cup by himself; alone when he was 26. Ronaldinho at 25 has done nothing in 2006 WC, despite having the best team in the world :floor: :floor: ) Ridicule. Maradona at 25 didn't reach his peak..he carried on... (he won the cup then)...Ronaldinho won't get much better than he is. He will never beat Maradona in dribbling. NO ONE WILL. If you want a brazilian who could dribble possibly better than the Maradona himself, go look at some pre-1999 Ronaldo. During those years he quite possibly was the greatest player ever on the earth. So there is Messi and Deco only? 11-2-1= 8. The other 8. All of them (save sometimes defenders o.c) bloody give him the ball whenever they got it. Even if they are in a good position and Ronaldinho is in a bad one; they'll give it to him..not because he's the best..its because he's crap. Maradona didn't become so great to have stuck up rubbish players like Ronaldinho (who act all it....when he misses a penalty, or a drop dead goal, or a freekick, he puts his hands up on his head and smiles), misses every freekick, gets jeers, misses a drop down shot, gets jeered. Maradona kept it silent and slotted them it. No one on earth had more vision, skill and assists than Maradona; Ronaldinho....a tribute to crappiness....he isn't a footballer; he's a futsaller. He hasn't got the build, the pace, the height..he's anorexic and without power. Two dainty tricks will get you nowhere. That's why players who did the occasional fancy move did better (Van Basten)..Ronaldinho always tries it...don't you watch ESP league? Everytime he tries it he gets tackled???. Maradona was short, but his low center of gravity gave him the natural edge)
DON NEVER WON THE WORLD PLAYER OF THE YEAR...BECAUSE THERE IS YET TO BE AN ARGENTINE PLAYER TO WIN THE WPOFTY.......:floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: tumi jodi khelar kichu na jano, eto adamant hoyo na..aro ijjot jai.
Bro, I know you're not denying the Don's greatness; then don't make comments like Maradona has acheived nothing...etc. That just shows idiocy.

you clearly are delusional.
I never sed maradona has achieved nothing. Neither did i say that he is a great player. All I sed was that ronaldinho is better than him.
you are the one saying that he is crap. When every ****ing coach in the world thinks he is currently the best. Shows how brilliant ur footballing knowledge is.

check wikipedea, who won the player of the year 1986. Not the Fifa worldfootbaler of the year the other one. Fifa footballer of the year started from 1990.
Maradona cheated in the 1986 worldcup to win it. And by himself, i am sorry argentina did have other players.
in the 2002 world cup, agains england who scored the second goal? and wo created the 1st one with his brilliant dribble? ROnaldinho.
about him not scoring goals, he is not a striker, it is not his job to score.
You clearly have not seen Ronaldinho play that much to call him crap.
here is the thing,
Ronaldinho is faster that maradona, has more tricks/skills than Maradona, Has achieved more than maradona, is not a cheat like maradona, as good a dribbler as maradona, better scorer than maradona. These are facts. YOu may want to discount him by saying crap about him, but he is the best.
Watch this video and enjoy the greatness of Ronaldinho as well as maradona. Surely after this u will not question his footballing skills. he is as good if not better in this video.

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Special 1
May 31, 2007, 06:33 AM
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Special 1
May 31, 2007, 06:35 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ BTW Special1, Ronaldinho is 27....he's got a alot of catching up to do.. :)

In terms of what? No of worldcups won or footballer of the year?
Oh i forgot, u meant in terms of doing drug. Makes sense.

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 07:38 AM
In terms of what? No of worldcups won or footballer of the year?
Oh i forgot, u meant in terms of doing drug. Makes sense.

Maradonas private life was bad, but drugs didn't affect his play. He didn't take performance enhancing drugs...AT LEAST he's not an adulterous freak like Dinho, who goes to night clubs and sires everyone he can see.
IN TERMS OF WHAT? LEADING FROM THE FRONT....Ronaldinho scored so many goals last cup didn't he? So great na??? Played so nice naa???

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 07:41 AM
[quote=SideWinder;470087]

you clearly are delusional.
[বাংলা]I never sed maradona has achieved nothing. Neither did i say that he is a great player. [/বাংলা]All I sed was that ronaldinho is better than him.
you are the one saying that he is crap. When every ****ing coach in the world thinks he is currently the best. Shows how brilliant ur footballing knowledge is.

check wikipedea, who won the player of the year 1986. Not the Fifa worldfootbaler of the year the other one. Fifa footballer of the year started from 1990.
Maradona cheated in the 1986 worldcup to win it. And by himself, i am sorry argentina did have other players.
in the 2002 world cup, agains england who scored the second goal? and wo created the 1st one with his brilliant dribble? ROnaldinho.
about him not scoring goals, he is not a striker, it is not his job to score.
You clearly have not seen Ronaldinho play that much to call him crap.
here is the thing,
Ronaldinho is faster that maradona, has more tricks/skills than Maradona, Has achieved more than maradona, is not a cheat like maradona, as good a dribbler as maradona, better scorer than maradona. These are facts. YOu may want to discount him by saying crap about him, but he is the best.
Watch this video and enjoy the greatness of Ronaldinho as well as maradona. Surely after this u will not question his footballing skills. he is as good if not better in this video.

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That video is pure shyte. I just want to leave with your quote. All I have to say is :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor:

Please...I have been studying football since I was 7. I know alot about Football. I was around at the time of Maradona. You clearly weren't.

If you think Ronaldinho is the greatest after watching two of three years....:floor: :floor:

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 07:54 AM
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/49819/maradona_barcelona_goals/

Special 1
May 31, 2007, 12:38 PM
[quote=Special 1;470123]

That video is pure shyte. I just want to leave with your quote. All I have to say is :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor:

Please...I have been studying football since I was 7. I know alot about Football. I was around at the time of Maradona. You clearly weren't.

If you think Ronaldinho is the greatest after watching two of three years....:floor: :floor:

Its just sad that u are not managing one of the top sides in the world after alll the effort you have put into studying football.

It is clear that you are either obsessed with Maradona or in need of drama in your life.

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 12:42 PM
[quote=SideWinder;470147]

Its just sad that u are not managing one of the top sides in the world after alll the effort you have put into studying football.

It is clear that you are either obsessed with Maradona or in need of drama in your life.

It's just sad that I'm pursuing my career and my days of Football is long over since 2002 World Cup. I still know all I ever knew...but I am not obsessed with it...unlike you. I got drama, I got my life, I've got a very nice life...life away from the tv screen..watching football/studying it non stop is over...way over...
you've just began...IF YOU'VE started your footballing acquaintance with Ronaldinho, were I started it with the Don and finished it with pre 98 Ronaldo...I feel for you bro...I really do....L-)

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 12:44 PM
Key Datporar jonno pagol....oi meye je ballo lathi dite parena (Dinho) are matro two bochor khelese, take maradonar shate tulona...

Special 1
May 31, 2007, 12:45 PM
Maradonas private life was bad, but drugs didn't affect his play. He didn't take performance enhancing drugs...AT LEAST he's not an adulterous freak like Dinho, who goes to night clubs and sires everyone he can see.
IN TERMS OF WHAT? LEADING FROM THE FRONT....Ronaldinho scored so many goals last cup didn't he? So great na??? Played so nice naa???

Its not about scoring goals. Ronaldinho wasent a striker, hence he dint score.
Plus Brazil played horribly in the last wold cup.

Who do u think was the best player this year?

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 12:50 PM
Its not about scoring goals. Ronaldinho wasent a striker, hence he dint score.
Plus Brazil played horribly in the last wold cup.

Who do u think was the best player this year?

Contradiction just slapped me with a wet fish. You were going on about how Ronaldinho scores more than Don, (when he didn't) and now you are saying its not about goals :floor:

MARADONA wasn't a striker...still he scored...:floor:
Brazil played horribly...oh boo hoo...boo hoo. Better have a Great team who can do something (Dinhos team) than a crap team (Argie team without Dona THEN) who cannot do nothing. Maradona led them. How can you compare Ronaldinho to Maradona? Those two don't deserve to be in the same sentence.

Best player this year was Kaka. My opinion, Zidanes opinion. According to UK, C.Ronaldo was the best...Drogba isn't far. Seedorf too. :smug:

Special 1
May 31, 2007, 12:50 PM
[quote=Special 1;470386]

It's just sad that I'm pursuing my career and my days of Football is long over since 2002 World Cup. I still know all I ever knew...but I am not obsessed with it...unlike you. I got drama, I got my life, I've got a very nice life...life away from the tv screen..watching football/studying it non stop is over...way over...
you've just began...IF YOU'VE started your footballing acquaintance with Ronaldinho, were I started it with the Don and finished it with pre 98 Ronaldo...I feel for you bro...I really do....L-)

i am more than happy that i grew up with Romario, zidane, Ronaldo, kaka, beckham, Makalele, Essien, Ronaldinho etc etc.

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 12:52 PM
[quote=SideWinder;470394]

i am more than happy that i grew up with Romario, zidane, Ronaldo, kaka, beckham, Makalele, Essien, Ronaldinho etc etc.

If you bring that into context:

GREW UP WITH:
Paolo Rossi, Maradona, Rumminege, Platini, V.Basten, Young Zidane, Destructive Ronaldo (I was grown up then..), YOUNG Romario at 94 WC and pre 94. He scored 1000 goals too...there's no difference between him and Pele no??? :lol:

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 12:53 PM
Essien and Makalele and Beckham? You mustve had a disturbed Footballing experience...

Special 1
May 31, 2007, 01:02 PM
Contradiction just slapped me with a wet fish. You were going on about how Ronaldinho scores more than Don, (when he didn't) and now you are saying its not about goals :floor:

MARADONA wasn't a striker...still he scored...:floor:
Brazil played horribly...oh boo hoo...boo hoo. Better have a Great team who can do something (Dinhos team) than a crap team (Argie team without Dona THEN) who cannot do nothing. Maradona led them. How can you compare Ronaldinho to Maradona? Those two don't deserve to be in the same sentence.

Best player this year was Kaka. My opinion, Zidanes opinion. According to UK, C.Ronaldo was the best...Drogba isn't far. Seedorf too. :smug:

for me the best player of the year was Michael essien. All of those players played really well, but Essien was better.

well Dinho is not a striker and still scores more goals than Maradona. Maradona dint win the champions league, ronaldinho did by leading from the front. Winning the Champions league today is much harder than winning the World cup, so Ronaldinho has led from the front at the big stage.

World cup 2006: This is why Ronaldinho failed. He was not played in his original position, so wasent Kaka. Both flopped big time. They would have done fine if the strikers up front, Ronaldo (the lazy fatass) and Adriono (as lazy as Ronaldo) would have run more to create openings like strikers in milan and barca.

Altho Maradona did not have the best teammates, the team was formed around him and for his style of play. He was a great player and hence he excelled given that.
Ronaldino in this world cup played in a team with superstars, and its very hard for a team with superstars to play well together eg Madrid. Oh and Ronaldinho dint get much of a break before the World cup this year, playing 60 games a year is not that easy, before going into the world cup. I guess ur research on Ronaldinho dint take these things into account.

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 01:13 PM
well Dinho is not a striker and still scores more goals than Maradona.

He was not played in his original position

Altho Maradona did not have the best teammates, the team was formed around him and for his style of play.
its very hard for a team with superstars to play well together eg Madrid.

boy i did.
Dinho isn't a striker. Maradona isn't a striker.

RONALDINHO: IN 117 APPS, HE SCORED 37 for his first club (in crappy defence brazil league) ...Ronaldo scored 55 in 56.
For PSG, he scored 17 in 55 apps.
For barca, he scored 60 goals...only...in 130 apps....hahahahaha:floor: :floor: :floor:

Maradona:

166 (116) (apps/goals for his first club in arg) follow this medium
40 (28) (second club, Boca)
58 (38) Barca...compared that to Dinho at barca...:floor: :floor: :floor: :floor:
259 (115) At napoli...still better than Dinho (in tough italian league with defence/injury/scandals..he was more of an assist maker..)
29 (7) Sevilla (ageing)

hahahahahaha
91 (34) international: Maradona ( Remember all the crappy co-teammates Dona had)

73 29 international: Ronaldinho



Dont chat shyte about Ronnie scoring more goals.. End of.
Are you gonna tell me the team wasn't shaped around his style of play??? :floor: :floor: :floor: :floor:

Oh, boo hoo..give me a hankie, Poor Ronnie couldn't play (despite being the greatest) in the world...boo hoo..big hug :big_hug: :big_hug: :big_hug: :lol:

Maradona has been makeshifted into a def mid, striker, mid, attack mid, winger, sweeper...still he has proven the king....

If the team was formed around him then he would crumble even more...because 1 player is not good against 11 :floor:

Madrid are not playing well because of THE EXODUS OF THE STARS :floor: :floor: . Look at Madrid 4 years back..Ronaldo, Zidane, Figo, Carlos, Raul, Beckham....they werent too good hey? They only won the CL twice in 3 years and all Spanish competitions...:floor: :floor:

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 01:16 PM
Pele played over 30 years and stuck to his crappy brazil league to score 1000 goals..he wouldnt have 300 if he played in the european leagues.

GoldenAsif
May 31, 2007, 02:42 PM
I just want to calmly venture my opinion.

- Maradona could do more things than Pele could in terms of turning, twisting and agility. However Pele was the king of nutmegs. In terms of nutmeging and just going through players I have seen clips of Pele and even the great El Diego couldn't do such things, however there are things that Maradona did that Pele never. Until I started watching Pele youtube videos recently I was strongly of the opinion that El Diego was the best ever. However I have to admit, man..Pele was dammmmmmmm goooood. So now I am just a bit more ambivalent.

Another common feature of Pele-fans is they constantly bring Maradona's off-field issues into the discussion. Ok, he wasn't perfect. So does that mean a player like Fabio Cannavaro or Paolo Maldini is better than him because they have a better off-field record and like Maldini is known for charity work? Of course not. The discussion is not about morality but about skill. Also there are other comparatively mediocre players who have won the world cup more than Maradona or scored more goals, doesn't make them better.

I don't really care who thinks either of the two were better. They were both great footballers (footballers and the discussion is about their football and not their personalities).

SideWinder
May 31, 2007, 03:24 PM
I just want to calmly venture my opinion.

- Maradona could do more things than Pele could in terms of turning, twisting and agility. However Pele was the king of nutmegs. In terms of nutmeging and just going through players I have seen clips of Pele and even the great El Diego couldn't do such things, however there are things that Maradona did that Pele never. Until I started watching Pele youtube videos recently I was strongly of the opinion that El Diego was the best ever. However I have to admit, man..Pele was dammmmmmmm goooood. So now I am just a bit more ambivalent.

Another common feature of Pele-fans is they constantly bring Maradona's off-field issues into the discussion. Ok, he wasn't perfect. So does that mean a player like Fabio Cannavaro or Paolo Maldini is better than him because they have a better off-field record and like Maldini is known for charity work? Of course not. The discussion is not about morality but about skill. Also there are other comparatively mediocre players who have won the world cup more than Maradona or scored more goals, doesn't make them better.

I don't really care who thinks either of the two were better. They were both great footballers (footballers and the discussion is about their football and not their personalities).

I agree with you on all points...except that Pele couldn't do what Maradona could do and Maradona could do all things that Pele could and couldn't

Shafin
June 1, 2007, 10:21 AM
Well,I wont advice you to google Abdus Samad,But if you got the time,call the sports section of any bangladeshi newspaper and ask them about 'Jadukor Samad', If the tales on him are half true,Pele or Maradona was not even half the player he was.And if he was here,we could easily have won the WC,mark my words.

Tigers_eye
June 1, 2007, 12:11 PM
I read and laugh.

SideWinder,
Say BD is playing in the WC finals against India at Mirpur stadium and Kartrik is smashing 4's and 6's all throughout the ground. Do you think BD supporters would even chant "Kartrik", Kartrik"?

Thus was the mesmorising moves of Pele (17 year old) that the swedish fans were chanting his name in 1958 while the game was going on (not even finished). They truely witnessed something that was out of this world. Even if that was against their own nation in the WC finals match. Again www.google.com (http://www.google.com) can help you learn more.

Hatebreed
June 1, 2007, 12:40 PM
I wonder what gordhob voted this thread 'excellent'.

SideWinder
June 1, 2007, 01:19 PM
I read and laugh.

SideWinder,
Say BD is playing in the WC finals against India at Mirpur stadium and Kartrik is smashing 4's and 6's all throughout the ground. Do you think BD supporters would even chant "Kartrik", Kartrik"?

Thus was the mesmorising moves of Pele (17 year old) that the swedish fans were chanting his name in 1958 while the game was going on (not even finished). They truely witnessed something that was out of this world. Even if that was against their own nation in the WC finals match. Again www.google.com (http://www.google.com) can help you learn more.

Hatebreed...I read your post and laugh for the same reasons.
Real Madrid and Barcelona are not the best of friends are they? They wouldn't dream of cheering for an opposite player...well...the WHOLE OF REAL MADRID SUPPORTER fans chanted 'Maradona Maradona' and gave STANDING OVATION...first time EVER to Maradona or any other opposite team..despite the fact that he had scored several goals and set up the rest..Real was loosing 4 or 5 - 0. Beat that...

Hatebreed
June 1, 2007, 01:26 PM
Hatebreed...I read your post and laugh for the same reasons.

Eh what same reasons? I don't think we are on the same page here.. especially as I'm not laughing.

SideWinder
June 1, 2007, 01:36 PM
I don't think we are on the same page here.. especially as I'm not laughing.

:confused:

SideWinder
June 1, 2007, 01:36 PM
Eh what same reasons? I don't think we are on the same page here.. especially as I'm not laughing.

Btw, Hatebreed, do you prefer Maradona or Pele?

SideWinder
June 2, 2007, 10:21 AM
Maradona is a cheat! That simple fact alone will be enough for him not being the best footballer ever.
And like i sed Ronaldinho is better in skills than Maradona.
The reason why Pele is the greatest is because he was really skillful as well as a great sportsman

Due to all that controversy and scandals and passion and the die hard attitude; this is what made him the greatest.

patriot
June 3, 2007, 08:40 AM
IMO , Maradona and Zidane were way better than Pele.

SideWinder
June 3, 2007, 08:56 AM
IMO , Maradona and Zidane were way better than Pele.

Zidane I feel is another version of Platini. I feel Maradona and Ronaldo should be put into equation.

patriot
June 4, 2007, 10:57 AM
Zidane I feel is another version of Platini. I feel Maradona and Ronaldo should be put into equation.


Mate , which Ronaldo??....the great Brazillian Ronaldo OR the Ronaldo who is a master of diving and runs a little faster than watford defenders.:lol:

Hatebreed
June 4, 2007, 11:20 AM
Mate , which Ronaldo??....the great Brazillian Ronaldo OR the Ronaldo who is a master of diving and runs a little faster than watford defenders.:lol:

That's what every Chelshite fan says when they can't come up with a better reason to undermine a great player like him. Such talk isn't suitable when you have divers like Dogba and Robben in your team. Fortunately the professional footballers and football writers don't agree with you.L-)

SideWinder
June 4, 2007, 06:23 PM
Mate , which Ronaldo??....the great Brazillian Ronaldo OR the Ronaldo who is a master of diving and runs a little faster than watford defenders.:lol:

Obviously...TUMI BIRAAAT mistake korcho...GREAT ronaldor sentencey ui dui nombor haddir shatey lagiyeso.
I am talking the legend..the one they call......Ele Fenomeno..

Slysaint
June 14, 2007, 03:25 PM
was he good?
well name a player in this world who is better than him .. after you watch this video


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he is what i consider to be a total package

Tigers_eye
June 14, 2007, 04:46 PM
Speed more speed and some more speed, strength, stamina, shooting, agility, ball control are shown here. Two things missing though. His heading ability and passing. I have not seen anyone more prolific than him in the air. That includes all those who use something else than their head to score goals (such as: hand).

If one could compile his thousand + goals in a video how much highlight film would that be?

Football was created/invented for the black pearl. Like it or not that is the truth. The sooner one learns to accept the truth the better it is.

Trigger_Tiger
June 14, 2007, 05:01 PM
Speed more speed and some more speed, strength, stamina, shooting, agility, ball control are shown here. Two things missing though. His heading ability and passing. I have not seen anyone more prolific than him in the air. That includes all those who use something else than their head to score goals (such as: hand).

If one could compile his thousand + goals in a video how much highlight film would that be?

Football was created/invented for the black pearl. Like it or not that is the truth. The sooner one learns to accept the truth the better it is.

This video is simply _ _ _ _ _ _.....I don't even know what to write.....it captures the difference between Pele and the rest. The huge gulf is surfaced in this video.

I couldn't agree with you more bro :up:!!!!!

akabir77
June 14, 2007, 10:15 PM
if maradona had a video like that you would see him more doing digbaji on the field than running like that (i doubt that he could ever run that fast either) and scoring goals...

Notice how the defenders where trying to take him down...

Sohel
June 15, 2007, 04:29 AM
was he good? well name a player in this world who is better than him .. after you watch this video. he is what i consider to be a total package

dude i'm speechless ... THANK YOU !