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yaseer
May 28, 2007, 10:30 PM
Whatmore has been the most successful coach for Bangladesh as the team performed best during his time. But in the last few months he made himself a debatable person by showing his will to become a Indian coach in a wrong way. According to the prothom-alo report today, players were somewhat releived and this also hampered the performance/concentration of players during the India series.

Prothom-alo report:
http://www.prothom-alo.org/mcat.news.details.php?nid=NDE5NDA=&mid=OA==

Farhad
May 28, 2007, 10:35 PM
Just another excuse cooked up by the writer of the article in my opinion... The players were relieved, and thats what made them suck? Cmon!

Nafis_BD
May 28, 2007, 10:38 PM
This is just another one of those dumb articles written by the writer to get more attention and sell the news paper and etc!!!

Stumped
May 28, 2007, 10:44 PM
ha ha ha ha... what a crock of peanuts!

yaseer
May 28, 2007, 11:35 PM
This is just another one of those dumb articles written by the writer to get more attention and sell the news paper and etc!!!

Is prothom-alo such a paper who write craps to sell?

jabbar
May 28, 2007, 11:40 PM
Whatmore has been the most successful coach for Bangladesh as the team performed best during his time. But in the last few months he made himself a debatable person by showing his will to become a Indian coach in a wrong way. According to the prothom-alo report today, players were somewhat releived and this also hampered the performance/concentration of players during the India series.

Prothom-alo report:
http://www.prothom-alo.org/mcat.news.details.php?nid=NDE5NDA=&mid=OA==

:timeout:

The players ought to learn to play under various stresses and distraction -- this is part and parcel of being an international cricketer. Coaches will come and go, controversies will rise and fall, but the player must be able to keep there heads down at all times. I don't think that the majority of BD players suffer from this problem, and haven't been affected that much by Dav's recent activities.

To be honest, Dav's shinanigans are tame in comparison to other coaches. Just look at big man Greg Chappell - he came in and totally upset the entire indian team and administration with his typical egocentric and obnoxious behavior and coaching style.

DJ Sahastra
May 28, 2007, 11:44 PM
In my personal opinion, Whatmore or no whatmore, BD team was destined to achieve what it did, and even more. It is a natural progression given the game's reach and following. Look at the passionate Banglar fans!

In fact, it remains a mystery to me as to why did it take so long.

sunny747
May 28, 2007, 11:55 PM
total crap.......never expected this from prothom alo.........i'm a big fan of prothom-alo but they could hardly got any interview from DEV.......perhaps thats the reason why they are bashing at him...............

Kabir
May 28, 2007, 11:58 PM
In my personal opinion, Whatmore or no whatmore, BD team was destined to achieve what it did, and even more. It is a natural progression given the game's reach and following. Look at the passionate Banglar fans!

In fact, it remains a mystery to me as to why did it take so long.

Can't agree. What took it so long was a proper infrastructure (which is still under development), belief, attitude, and vision. Have you heard of Hurricane Carter? During my convocation, he was deliverin a speech...and said - "the one and only thing that will take you ahead in your life is ATTITUDE".

That's what our players lacked. Whatmore gave the players that. He just hasn't been successful in making them technically correct, and professionally built with strictness. That's where we're stuck.

Anyway, as for the prothom alo article...didn't even bother reading it. Why waste time?

Alien
May 28, 2007, 11:58 PM
How does Prothom-Alo know that players are relieved? Did any player say it loud? Total garbage.

Whatmore deserves his share of criticism but not downright lies like this.

yaseer
May 29, 2007, 12:09 AM
In my personal opinion, Whatmore or no whatmore, BD team was destined to achieve what it did, and even more. It is a natural progression given the game's reach and following. Look at the passionate Banglar fans!

In fact, it remains a mystery to me as to why did it take so long.

Well....Whatmore did nothing, I don't agree with it. i would say, he performed his duties.
But yes i agree that we have over-estimated him in some cases.....
In his 4 years...he went on doing his duties and always looked for better options. He did not do his job with a goal/aim to achieve and passion was definitely missing.

DJ Sahastra
May 29, 2007, 12:14 AM
Can't agree. What took it so long was a proper infrastructure (which is still under development), belief, attitude, and vision. Have you heard of Hurricane Carter? During my convocation, he was deliverin a speech...and said - "the one and only thing that will take you ahead in your life is ATTITUDE".

That's what our players lacked. Whatmore gave the players that. He just hasn't been successful in making them technically correct, and professionally built with strictness. That's where we're stuck.

Anyway, as for the prothom alo article...didn't even bother reading it. Why waste time?

Look at the new kids - Tamim, Mashrafe, Ashraful, Sakib, Nafees, Aftab - They had the attitude they have even before Whatmore intervened. I don't think Whatmore gave them the attitude that they possess. Whatmore supported them, which any coach faced with paucity of real performers and talent would do anyways.

Interestingly, while we are talking attitude, Ashraful's attitude hasn't changed a wee-bit (one of most unforunate aspect) through all of Whatmore's tenure, nor has Aftab's. Two people who really had special talents have managed to hold on to their place in the team not based on performance justifying the talent but on sheer paucity of alternatives.

Look at Enamul Haque - another talented kid - No change in attitude whatsoever.

Look at Javed Omar or Rafique - seasoned campaigners - no change in attitude whatsoever.

Look at that kid Kapali - No change in attitude whatsoever and ultimately destructed what was a promise equal or more than Ashraful (my strictly personal opinion - i thought he was a useful bowler and a useful bat, they tried to make him a batsman who could bowl and killed him).

And all under Whatmore!

An above average coach would've used Enamul, Rafique, Mashrafe, Ashraful, Alok, Aftab, Nafees, (Tamim and Sakib are very new, so excused), Rasel, Rajib and yes, even Taposh to form an ODI unit that had the consistency and the shock value of atleast the pre-1996 SL team or the pre-2003 Zimbo team. He would've sorted out whatever prevented these guys from combining together into a respetable outfit. I mean, i still can't get why BD team shouldn't win more often.

Instead, what we have is yes, an occassional heart-gladdening win. Big wins but barely enough.

In retrospect, the contribution of McInnes is many times more valuable.

CricTiger
May 29, 2007, 12:18 AM
Well....Whatmore did nothing, I don't agree with it. i would say, he performed his duties.
But yes i agree that we have over-estimated him in some cases.....
In his 4 years...he went on doing his duties and always looked for better options. He did not do his job with a goal/aim to achieve and passion was definitely missing.

Yes, we can say lots of thing when he was leaving.Players, selectors and officials can blame him for various reasons.But do you think this blaming game will surve any purpose for us no? He has been here with the team for more than 4 years.Now that he is leaving --let him go with honor and let's not forget what have he done for the team.
Job ,well done Whatmore -All the best

mafizraju
May 29, 2007, 12:22 AM
this is a kind of journalism most sports journalist of the the country are used to with. Total crap. At times reading their sports report seems like they are taking their revenge. And it has always been the case. Any time any coach's tenure finishes newspaper always says that players are releived. Some journalist even uses adjective which are not decent at all. And they dont seem to do it for any other kind of reporting. Journalists must understand what does the word professionalism means, what makes a person professional in his or her respective field including journalism itself. Most journalist sounds like they are angry at him since he didnot give them enough time or importance. Hell Ya!! I wont give importance to journalist lika Azam or this no name Sports reporter any importance at all.

GuruTM
May 29, 2007, 12:22 AM
Excellent analysis DJ. I used to have suspicion on Whatmore(?)'s infulence on Bashar's timid attitude.

rafiq
May 29, 2007, 12:28 AM
speaking of McInnes....there were some reports he was talking to BCB - seems like for an assitant coach job. Has this been confirmed. I think his return in whatever capacity would be great. And frankly, in spite of the wealth of boring old white guys to choose from, McInnes may be a great choice for national coach. I just hope we don't get stuck with another India reject or Pakistan C-grade coach like Mohsin Kamal (hopefully BCB is past that but you never know)

Murad
May 29, 2007, 12:31 AM
I think DJ Sahastra desribed everything very nicely.. whatever he said is so true..

Ashraful didnt have good relationship with Dav for long time. So did some other players.. Hes a very defensive coach and made bashar defensive tooo.. I'm sure every1 willl shine under new coach..

yaseer
May 29, 2007, 12:33 AM
Look at the new kids - Tamim, Mashrafe, Ashraful, Sakib, Nafees, Aftab - They had the attitude they have even before Whatmore intervened. I don't think Whatmore gave them the attitude that they possess. Whatmore supported them, which any coach faced with paucity of real performers and talent would do anyways.

Interestingly, while we are talking attitude, Ashraful's attitude hasn't changed a wee-bit (one of most unforunate aspect) through all of Whatmore's tenure, nor has Aftab's. Two people who really had special talents have managed to hold on to their place in the team not based on performance justifying the talent but on sheer paucity of alternatives.

Look at Enamul Haque - another talented kid - No change in attitude whatsoever.

Look at Javed Omar or Rafique - seasoned campaigners - no change in attitude whatsoever.

Look at that kid Kapali - No change in attitude whatsoever and ultimately destructed what was a promise equal or more than Ashraful (my strictly personal opinion - i thought he was a useful bowler and a useful bat, they tried to make him a batsman who could bowl and killed him).

And all under Whatmore!

An above average coach would've used Enamul, Rafique, Mashrafe, Ashraful, Alok, Aftab, Nafees, (Tamim and Sakib are very new, so excused), Rasel, Rajib and yes, even Taposh to form an ODI unit that had the consistency and the shock value of atleast the pre-1996 SL team or the pre-2003 Zimbo team. He would've sorted out whatever prevented these guys from combining together into a respetable outfit. I mean, i still can't get why BD team shouldn't win more often.

Instead, what we have is yes, an occassional heart-gladdening win. Big wins but barely enough.

In retrospect, the contribution of McInnes is many times more valuable.

ya DJ, you have some point.....

Without Bashar's negative captaincy, we may have won more matches or may made some matches closer......I always felt whatmore could have done something here. Just give him advice to re-consider his field setting....just to help him think a bit attacking as whatmore has seen enough before. But surprisingly i found no change of attitude on Bashar.

Trigger_Tiger
May 29, 2007, 01:15 AM
Look at the new kids - Tamim, Mashrafe, Ashraful, Sakib, Nafees, Aftab - They had the attitude they have even before Whatmore intervened. I don't think Whatmore gave them the attitude that they possess. Whatmore supported them, which any coach faced with paucity of real performers and talent would do anyways.

Interestingly, while we are talking attitude, Ashraful's attitude hasn't changed a wee-bit (one of most unforunate aspect) through all of Whatmore's tenure, nor has Aftab's. Two people who really had special talents have managed to hold on to their place in the team not based on performance justifying the talent but on sheer paucity of alternatives.

Look at Enamul Haque - another talented kid - No change in attitude whatsoever.

Look at Javed Omar or Rafique - seasoned campaigners - no change in attitude whatsoever.

Look at that kid Kapali - No change in attitude whatsoever and ultimately destructed what was a promise equal or more than Ashraful (my strictly personal opinion - i thought he was a useful bowler and a useful bat, they tried to make him a batsman who could bowl and killed him).

And all under Whatmore!

An above average coach would've used Enamul, Rafique, Mashrafe, Ashraful, Alok, Aftab, Nafees, (Tamim and Sakib are very new, so excused), Rasel, Rajib and yes, even Taposh to form an ODI unit that had the consistency and the shock value of atleast the pre-1996 SL team or the pre-2003 Zimbo team. He would've sorted out whatever prevented these guys from combining together into a respetable outfit. I mean, i still can't get why BD team shouldn't win more often.

Instead, what we have is yes, an occassional heart-gladdening win. Big wins but barely enough.

In retrospect, the contribution of McInnes is many times more valuable.

Ever wondered why Kapali got out? Besides a slide in his form, it probably was because of BCB 's internal politics (when he got out I couldn't follow BD cricket for a bit of time)!

A coach does not necessarily bring up the change in a players attitude. A coach makes them believe. The last bunch of players we had were good and had the talent but not the mentality. That is because they came into a team and lost a bunch of matches and never got it right.

Saqi, Mushy, Tamim and all of them came in last year and the U19 they belonged to was a force to reckon with.....what about those in the BD team in 2005? BD started performing well back then!

In 2004 they started beating the big names. In 2005 they were tasting more success. In 2006 the youngsters came in and it was all out matches against smaller nations in which BD could win much more easily. You can see how even against Zimbabwe they suffered at first and then it became more of a walk in the park later on in the year!

Whatmore DID bring about a change in the attitude in the BD players as much a coach can! The rest is upto the players themselves!

Dav was saddened to not have seen Ashraful improve much during his tenure and he has expressed that a couple of days earlier. He has also expressed his grief at Aftab promising so much, yet falling after scoring some runs.

He played his part well. Remember Mash, Aftab and Ash were under him and they have become more consistent under him.

Why, look as Mash.....look at how much attention Dav paid to him and with the help of the team physio and all has made or dear Pagla so fit, that in the past one and a half year he has missed only one or two matches! Not only that, he has become from a slogger to an all-rounder! And that too a God-damned world -class one!

Dav has done a lot for Bangladesh cricket that no other coach at that time could do.
He understands our mentality better. Inside all hardness there dwells a soul and no soul can be that selfish!

The players of this current Bangladesh cricket team always stand behind their coach through thick and thin as does the coach stand behind his players! So that rubbish comment in the newspaper was either blatantly written false or commented by someone who had been axed from the World Cup team for a mch younger and much better player for his batting and glover work. But I doubt that the elder statesmen would talk, since he too does respect Dav a lot!

So seriously, this was a dumb thing to have been written and I have lost all my respect for this Bangla Daily from this moment on!!!!!

AsifTheManRahman
May 29, 2007, 01:29 AM
In retrospect, the contribution of McInnes is many times more valuable.

Yes, because he was largely responsible for injecting the attitude that you talk about in your very first sentence into the new generation of players.

Btw, that's not to say that Whatmore wasn't effective; it just goes to show that McInnes will probably be able to make a larger difference.

sunny747
May 29, 2007, 01:45 AM
main discussions with dev is portrayed in jaijaidin (this is crappy newspaper.read it on your own risk..;) )......
the thing that writen in prothonm-alo doesn't sound the same as jaijaidin......

http://www.jaijaidin.com/details.php?nid=12145

yaseer
May 29, 2007, 01:52 AM
main discussions with dev is portrayed in jaijaidin (this is crappy newspaper.read it on your own risk..;) )......
the thing that writen in prothonm-alo doesn't sound the same as jaijaidin......

http://www.jaijaidin.com/details.php?nid=12145

ya....this was not with the players......article of a different incident...... abt the press conference Dav organized for indian reporters.....prothom-alo also had a news on that press conf. also.

http://www.prothom-alo.org/mcat.news.details.php?nid=NDE5Mzk=&mid=OA==

Tehsin
May 29, 2007, 10:59 AM
On the ATTITUDE bit, like some other folks have suggested, McInnes and the group that worked with our yunguns have more to do with developing that attitude rather then Dav. Don't agree, just look at the team and see WHICH of the players have that attitude. Definitely not the older ones. Rafique doesn't count. He has always been top class (not world class) and a fighter no matter what. Heck, Shujon had all the right attitude but no fire. He gave his all but didn't have the raw talent that some of the other uns do.

So in four years, have we really done much ? He may have tried, given it his all. In that case, we are in a heap of trouble. If a seasoned coach like Dav tried and failed to bring about any change to players like Ash and Aftab, does it mean that this players will never learn ? Scary, isn't it ? Or, how about he tried initially, gave up, and his players followed the same route. With the new coach taking over, we'll find out if there are more to Ashraful and Aftab and the likes than Dav was able to bring out. :)

Dhakablues
May 29, 2007, 07:56 PM
Is prothom-alo such a paper who write craps to sell?

After the buy-out by Tanscom,,, Prothom-Alo and Daily star is no longer the papers we used to know; in fact, they have completely flipped in recent months publishing endless news which they themselves have to explain and revert by rejoinders...

Coming back to the original issue: The content of the report doesnt match the heading of the report. Prothom-Alo has been siding with their own version of the truth than the facts that they can back up. I dont know who said that they are relieved as no name was mentioned and all the interviewee pretty much said that Dav contributed to their individual succcess... I am sorry but i couldnt find much about sports as much as I found about insinuating enigma and a monologue babble of a poet reporter, less of a sports reporter

Sohel
May 29, 2007, 07:58 PM
i think the players just wanted to move forward, and the reporter wanted juice. kutnami's not the most unusual trait we've got. just look at some of the drama in this forum... personally, i dig the spice.

Trigger_Tiger
May 29, 2007, 10:51 PM
After the buy-out by Tanscom,,, Prothom-Alo and Daily star is no longer the papers we used to know; in fact, they have completely flipped in recent months publishing endless news which they themselves have to explain and revert by rejoinders...

Coming back to the original issue: The content of the report doesnt match the heading of the report. Prothom-Alo has been siding with their own version of the truth than the facts that they can back up. I dont know who said that they are relieved as no name was mentioned and all the interviewee pretty much said that Dav contributed to their individual succcess... I am sorry but i couldnt find much about sports as much as I found about insinuating enigma and a monologue babble of a poet reporter, less of a sports reporter

Good post :up:!!!!!

sunny747
May 30, 2007, 01:22 AM
which newspaper shall i read now?

sislam2
May 30, 2007, 11:17 AM
How much this journalists make a year?
If they make enough i might well just start writing instead of doing my job. I am sure i can't write any crappier than that.

Ahmed_B
May 30, 2007, 12:43 PM
Absolutely rubbish reporting! The reporter (our same old beloved Tareq Mahmud) tried to pretend of speaking for the players... whereas I have strong doubts that the players themselves actually think about Whatmore in such manner.

Tareq mahmud has started to show a very bad taste in his reporting style... and Prothom alo is getting pretty off-balanced from these reports.

Fazal
May 30, 2007, 01:11 PM
I think its ok even if the news is true.

People gets bored after a while ... its natural... they change cloths... change their hair style... change their watch .... change their car model... move to new home....new city.... they even change their girl friend or spouce... so its natural that both players and coach are bored after 4 years of relationship... they both are looking for another exciting new relationship.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

Electrequiem
June 3, 2007, 10:28 PM
...that article was very odd.

Prothom-Alo should have interviewed Dav.