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Tigers_eye
May 29, 2007, 12:28 PM
I had full confidence of BD beating India and knocking them out of WC. Also in many threads I had tried to express the shock wave that it would bring.

1) Indian coach fired.
2) Watmore leaving before or after the Indian series for that job.
3) BCB not permanently hiring any one for the Indian or SL series. Appointing an interim coach.

#3 is a wrong decision. When I looked at the FTP of Bangladesh, all most for seven months we would not have any Intl games (except the 20/20 WC). Our mentality is all screwed. We always look at the short term gain instead of long term gain. BCB's thinking must be why paying someone for no reason? (add of your choice of words: khati bangla gali)!!!

BCB Baffoons:
Hiring a permanent national coach immediately is the most important task that you people have.

This would give him the advantage to work with the boys in the off season (next six months) and work on their deficiencies they have.

Giving the new coach (whoever he may be) a one month window and expecting to beat SA in February is wishful thinking.

Preparation/practice is half the job. Repetition at the practice grounds only would make our players implement the techniques better. Would eliminate mistake. Wins are not easy. Not letting the coach have enough time is the worst decision these (^&%*%) BCB officials can make.

Aritro
May 29, 2007, 12:31 PM
If their preferred targets don't want the job, or are unavailable for the time being, then perhaps it's best to wait till we can get the best man for the job rather than settle for someone second-rate in our haste?

We don't want to end up with a Steve McClaren.

Tigers_eye
May 29, 2007, 12:35 PM
They can hire some one with a future date if that is what slowing down the process. They have their man. We all know that. It is just they don't want to pay the extra six months of pay when there is no Intl cricket. Trust me on this.

akabir77
May 29, 2007, 12:39 PM
They can hire some one with a future date if that is what slowing down the process. They have their man. We all know that. It is just they don't want to pay the extra six months of pay when there is no Intl cricket. Trust me on this.

If you are right then i agree with you BCB should get their act together but i think they r waiting on some ones reply or something...

Aritro
May 29, 2007, 12:42 PM
It is just they don't want to pay the extra six months of pay when there is no Intl cricket. Trust me on this.

That's a good point actually

Murad
May 29, 2007, 12:43 PM
we have a series against NZ in November.. so not much of breaks we have.. the SL series will be finished in the end of July.. and the 20/20 cup in september.. almost 1 month tour..

Players need some breaks too.. for the last 6/7 months they didnt have enough breaks.. they became so tired.. so after the sri lanka series they need breaks for a month or two..

we have time to appoint the new coach.. its better to take time and select the right coach.. BCB is trying to appoint a coach who was a batsman/bowler. If the coach is like Dav and Mckins then we need two more coaches(bowling and batting).. They want two instead of three.. well im not so sure...

Kabir
May 29, 2007, 12:50 PM
Mijan bhai, question to you:

When was the last time BCB took the right decision? May be 2 years ago, by renewing Dav's contract. Since then, I haven't seen many "good" decisions. May be inclusion of Mushfiq and Tamim have been brave and good...but any others? Can't think of.

And yes, you're absolutely right about the 6 moths part. Why would all the coaches contacted by BCB be looking for some time to settle in? That's ridiculous.

Aritro
May 29, 2007, 12:58 PM
we have a series against NZ in November.. so not much of breaks we have.. the SL series will be finished in the end of July.. and the 20/20 cup in september.. almost 1 month tour..

Players need some breaks too.. for the last 6/7 months they didnt have enough breaks.. they became so tired.. so after the sri lanka series they need breaks for a month or two..

we have time to appoint the new coach.. its better to take time and select the right coach.. BCB is trying to appoint a coach who was a batsman/bowler. If the coach is like Dav and Mckins then we need two more coaches(bowling and batting).. They want two instead of three.. well im not so sure...

McInnes was heavily involved in re-modelling Talha's action after he came back from injury and I believe he may have had a similar role in Mortaza's comeback.

He clearly has the expertise to fulfill one of those specialised roles.

Tigers_eye
May 29, 2007, 01:08 PM
Murad bhai,
The players obviously need break. But that doesn't mean they can't practice on their deficiencies/faults or nurture their injuries, beef up etc. But for all this to happen they need guidance. The Chief would be the one to assign who needs what to do, what to eat when they are not playing. Having a head coach puts the players in a leash. I for one don't want Mash gaining 20 lbs and breaking down in every other series. having a head coach would allow them to move on to the other issues such as the batting and bowling coach. The late we get our head coach the less time these specialized coaches would have with our boys.

Off season is the real time where the athletes do the hard work. (At least that is what I have learned from all US sports) They get prepared for the battles.

pagol-chagol
May 29, 2007, 01:39 PM
Great thread. Off-seasons are the times when professional athletes build their muscles, redefine their bodies, learn new moves, new shots, new techniques, figure out how they need to change their games, experiment and tediously repeat what they need to learn enough times to make that a habit. This is when you need coaches and consultants if you have long term goals. Good coaches do more in the off-season than during the games.

Aritro
May 29, 2007, 01:58 PM
Mijan bhai, question to you:

When was the last time BCB took the right decision? May be 2 years ago, by renewing Dav's contract. Since then, I haven't seen many "good" decisions. May be inclusion of Mushfiq and Tamim have been brave and good...but any others? Can't think of.

And yes, you're absolutely right about the 6 moths part. Why would all the coaches contacted by BCB be looking for some time to settle in? That's ridiculous.

When were the crucial decisions about the Academy made?

akabir77
May 29, 2007, 02:42 PM
Mijan bhai, question to you:

When was the last time BCB took the right decision? May be 2 years ago, by renewing Dav's contract. Since then, I haven't seen many "good" decisions. May be inclusion of Mushfiq and Tamim have been brave and good...but any others? Can't think of.

And yes, you're absolutely right about the 6 moths part. Why would all the coaches contacted by BCB be looking for some time to settle in? That's ridiculous.

Well Selecting players is selectors job not BCB, so you shouldn't give points to BCB for that.
On the other hand they made the structure of cricket like australia, got some cricket stadium up, mirpur is not done yet but what ever we have looks brilliant. How about the stadium in bogura.
Got the biggest deal with tv people, appointing a media manager..

here r some that i could think off that BCB did.

Murad
May 29, 2007, 04:25 PM
Mijan bhai, question to you:

When was the last time BCB took the right decision? May be 2 years ago, by renewing Dav's contract. Since then, I haven't seen many "good" decisions. May be inclusion of Mushfiq and Tamim have been brave and good...but any others? Can't think of.

And yes, you're absolutely right about the 6 moths part. Why would all the coaches contacted by BCB be looking for some time to settle in? That's ridiculous.

Kabir bhai,, you have all the rights to criticize BCB becaue they deserve it. But the problem i think..is... high profiled coaches don't want to become our coach. They are waiting for India, Srilanka and Pakistan. Thats why they kept BCB on waiting list i guess. BCB should go for Richard Mckinns as he accepted their offer.. and hes a good coach.. quite young not bhuira like motka Dav..

Amar mone hoi tara beshi taka khoroch korte chai na.. Mckinns ke coach banaile to aro 2ta coach ke o nite hobe.. bowling and batting.. tai tara chaitese je ekta valo batsman ke coach banaite..

However, BCB has a lot of other things to do.. such as sacking Faruque and Atahar from selection committee..they both sucks... If they do that.. then we will have a balanced team...

Miraz
May 29, 2007, 04:31 PM
Kabir, some good deeds by BCB within last two years.

1. Formation of national cricket academy
2. Building "home of cricket" at Mirpur with full indoor facilities and gym
3. Contract with Cricket Australia to develop local coaches, umpires and domestic structure
4. TV rights deal with domestic cricket included
5. Incorporation of BKSP into the first division league and after winning first division they are now in premier league. this will be tremendoud boost for young talents to play at top domestic level.
6. Two new ICC venues, Bogra and Khulna

if you are not satisfied, I can post more.. :)

TheWatcher
May 29, 2007, 11:27 PM
Mijan bhai, I also don't think BCB is intentionally delaying the appointment of the coach, I believe it is the preferred candidates who are delaying the decision. There was one point BCB seemed to be very much ready to appoint Jamie Siddons, if John Wright declined. Right then Moody resigned and Siddons' name came at the top of Lanka's shortlist for their coach hunt (while Wright said he has no interest to coach any international team anymore).

At this point all the Australian coaches are hot properties on the market, you can't expect any of them to settle down for BD without talking to PCB and SLC first.

Sumon77
May 30, 2007, 03:38 AM
Mijan bhai, I also don't think BCB is intentionally delaying the appointment of the coach, I believe it is the preferred candidates who are delaying the decision. There was one point BCB seemed to be very much ready to appoint Jamie Siddons, if John Wright declined. Right then Moody resigned and Siddons' name came at the top of Lanka's shortlist for their coach hunt (while Wright said he has no interest to coach any international team anymore).

At this point all the Australian coaches are hot properties on the market, you can't expect any of them to settle down for BD without talking to PCB and SLC first.
ya...most probably this is teh reason.. i dont think BCB is delaying to save money. and it seems that they are not willing to appoint Mc head coach rather assistant coach... so most probably they ar waitng for siddons.

yaseer
May 30, 2007, 03:55 AM
I think BCB is not being able to decide which coach to go for or desired coaches are not confirming.....in this situation BCB has no alternatives but to go for a temporary solution.

If BCB doing this intentionally to save money....then that is something they should not do.

yaseer
May 30, 2007, 04:00 AM
4. TV rights deal with domestic cricket included



Miraz bhai, r u sure of it??

Now we can see domectic matches also...Great to know.....

inspyr9
May 30, 2007, 04:28 AM
so what's RM's speciality: batting or bowling?

Sohel
May 30, 2007, 05:09 AM
so what's RM's speciality: batting or bowling?

he's not specialized. here's a link that can better familiarize you with the aussie system.

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/222691.html

:)

Shafin
May 30, 2007, 11:08 AM
so what's RM's speciality: batting or bowling?
Man-handling.

Shafin
May 30, 2007, 11:11 AM
Mijan bhai, I also don't think BCB is intentionally delaying the appointment of the coach, I believe it is the preferred candidates who are delaying the decision. There was one point BCB seemed to be very much ready to appoint Jamie Siddons, if John Wright declined. Right then Moody resigned and Siddons' name came at the top of Lanka's shortlist for their coach hunt (while Wright said he has no interest to coach any international team anymore).

At this point all the Australian coaches are hot properties on the market, you can't expect any of them to settle down for BD without talking to PCB and SLC first.
BCB might also is wasting time to make a better bargain,IMO,when India takes Whatmore and SL takes someone,the coaches will have only Pakistan and BD,and they will have to lower their asking prices.

On the other hand,I am really waiting to see a local coach in action.I have huge faith in them.

Tigers_eye
May 30, 2007, 11:20 AM
Mijan bhai, I also don't think BCB is intentionally delaying the appointment of the coach, I believe it is the preferred candidates who are delaying the decision. There was one point BCB seemed to be very much ready to appoint Jamie Siddons, if John Wright declined. Right then Moody resigned and Siddons' name came at the top of Lanka's shortlist for their coach hunt (while Wright said he has no interest to coach any international team anymore).

At this point all the Australian coaches are hot properties on the market, you can't expect any of them to settle down for BD without talking to PCB and SLC first.
PCB, SLC and BCB.

Among these three the most prospective job is ours.

PCB, khek! Running by non-cricketing brains.

SLC, khek! last checked the war was still going on.

BCB, Khek! Players without brains. Well thats what they can fix and have total control.

You could be right on the candidates delaying, however, I know how to get my man when hiring. All it needs some extra green and incentive. With the correct offer there should not be any hesitation on the candidate's part. If we don't have a coach during the off season we will be losing few sure tricks for the future. The aces wouldn't mean anything. Those would be trumped by the 2 and 3s. This is for our future. We are improving but that does not cut it. We need to improve in a faster pace than Australia if we ever want to catch them. The offseason is so important but I am certain the BCB has no clue on this one. They want to save few bucks here and there thus compromise.

akabir77
May 30, 2007, 01:18 PM
T_E after reading some news today I think you r some what right. I mean the feeling that i get is may be BCB is not hiring cause "why hire some one for off season and waste money" but "wait until Inida and SL selects their coach and the salary for coach can be reduced as their won't be many options to coach a ntl team" In anyway i think this is bad as the good coach can be taken by those two boards...

mali007
May 30, 2007, 01:45 PM
BCB did a mistake by appointing Dav to continue the Indo-BD test & ODI series. They
should have appointed an interim coach locally. Today's newspaper reported about
smelling SABOTAGE by Dav in Dhaka test !!! The fielding decision was sole decision of
Dev. So, in his last series Dav was playing for India not for Bangladesh !!!! What a shame !!!!

fai_hasan
May 31, 2007, 04:39 AM
man listen,

Bangladesh is in a stage where a coach has a key role to make this team go ahead 10 steps forward or 5 steps backward. BCB would eventually chose a coach, but after making sure that he is the one who can give bangladesh cricket a new and better future.

it is not a minute's decision nor a fuse. its not selecting a player for a one day team and then fire him in the next match. its about the cricket coach. it takes time, it takes a lot of discussion and analysis.

More over, let bangladeshi youngstars play on their own way. lets see, how well they can fight without any restrictions or set rules. this is a good time to explore bangladeshi cricketsers.

Aritro
May 31, 2007, 04:42 AM
he's not specialized. here's a lnk that can better familiarize you with the aussie system.

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/222691.html

:)

Nah, he's a specialist bowling coach, even if he is currently wasting his talents behind a laptop.

cricket_king
May 31, 2007, 06:10 AM
BCB's stuck with no other choice. No high profile coaches want to be our coach......it's obviously very disappointing, but they're going to have to find someone to take over for the sri lanka tour so there is someone to guide the team through the sri lanka tour, while the board searches for permanent coach.

cricket_king
May 31, 2007, 06:14 AM
BCB did a mistake by appointing Dav to continue the Indo-BD test & ODI series. They
should have appointed an interim coach locally. Today's newspaper reported about
smelling SABOTAGE by Dav in Dhaka test !!! The fielding decision was sole decision of
Dev. So, in his last series Dav was playing for India not for Bangladesh !!!! What a shame !!!!

Man give Dav a little more respect. People make mistakes. And reports say that the decision to bowl first was the whole management's decision. Think before you accuse people with false conspiracies :waiting: