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Hatebreed
June 2, 2007, 06:34 AM
Coach Woolmer 'was not murdered'

<!-- S BO --><!-- S IIMA --> <table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="203"> <tbody><tr><td> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43000000/jpg/_43000329_pa_woolmer203.jpg There have been a host of theories surrounding Mr Woolmer's death

</td></tr> </tbody></table> Scotland Yard detectives have told Jamaican police that the former Pakistan cricket coach, Bob Woolmer, was not murdered, the BBC understands.

The apparent verdict follows work by a UK Home Office pathologist, who flew to Jamaica to probe Mr Woolmer's death.

Bob Woolmer's widow Gill said she had heard nothing new from the Jamaican police about her husband's death.

Mr Woolmer was found dead in his hotel in Jamaica on 18 March after Pakistan's first-round exit from the World Cup.
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Days later Mark Shields, Jamaica's deputy police commissioner, announced at a news conference that the 58-year-old former England Test cricketer had been murdered.

But a UK newspaper has reported that Jamaican police are to announce that Mr Woolmer died of natural causes.

<!-- S IBOX --><!-- E IBOX --> According to the Daily Mail, police in Kingston now believe Mr Woolmer died of natural causes, brought on by chronic ill-health and possibly diabetes.

Former Pakistan player Asif Iqbal has criticised the Jamaican police investigation.

"When they said it was suspicious, after that it should have been dealt with in a normal way instead of being a Hollywood, or Bollywood kind of investigation," he told the BBC.

"Every day there were different stories in the newspaper, every day there was a different way of his being murdered. I think they made a mess of it to be very honest."

There has been no confirmation of the report.

In May, several other reports suggested Mr Woolmer was not murdered, often citing sources close to the investigation.

<!-- E BO -->One member of Jamaica's Labour Party said the case had become a "global embarrassment" for the country's police force.

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6714545.stm)

SideWinder
June 2, 2007, 06:54 AM
Another twist in the twister.

gatekeeper
June 2, 2007, 07:39 AM
In two weeks, the headlines would read;

"Woolmer murdered by CIA"

Another two weeks;

"Woolmer was a member of a Satanic cult"

Surfer
June 2, 2007, 08:13 AM
In two weeks, the headlines would read;

"Woolmer murdered by CIA"

Another two weeks;

"Woolmer was a member of a Satanic cult"

Or possibly: Wooler not dead.....that was a look alike:D

Surfer
June 2, 2007, 08:15 AM
I have never seen more incompetent investigation than this. Mark Shields should be dismissed fom his service. The man is a disgrace on crime investigation.

Whatever happened to the poisin in drink and the strangulation marks on his neck. Hope they wont say that it was natural poison and natural strangulation.

Nafis_BD
June 2, 2007, 08:43 AM
What the heck is wrong with these investigators .......once they say he was murdered again they say he wasn't ...............

cricket_pagol
June 2, 2007, 08:47 AM
What about all the evidence that were reported earlier (traces of weed killer, broken bone in the neck and other circumstansial evidence)... This does not make sense?!?!

SideWinder
June 2, 2007, 10:17 AM
They've burnt him and he's gone for good, no more autposies or re-investigation. Something tells me this is going to be another of those unsolved mysteries, like who killed Bruce Lee? Or what really happened to Ronaldo on the night before the 1998 World Cup final? :mad:

Shafin
June 2, 2007, 10:35 AM
Woolmer and Cronje, Both have died unsolved but seemingly normal deaths,coincidence?

Xavier
June 2, 2007, 10:47 AM
I just thik the jamaican police made a big mess...
at last, if Woolmer died for natural cause this can be of some relief to his relatives, as his death must have been less tragical to him.

damalChele
June 2, 2007, 10:56 AM
pretty much like the worldcup final ending...total mess

Sovik
June 2, 2007, 04:15 PM
what took them so long to figure out that

Farhad
June 2, 2007, 04:28 PM
How can you make such a bold statement and then retract on it? Ive been hearing this for the past month and am still flabbergasted by it. Who in their right mind would do this to the family?

Sohel
June 2, 2007, 10:04 PM
a SERIOUS apology is in order.

cricketboy
June 5, 2007, 12:59 AM
I am absolutely puzzled.

Fazal
June 13, 2007, 08:58 AM
a SERIOUS apology is in order.

I agree.

Based on intial news I also thought somehow some PAK players/team members/fans/bookies were involved. I apologize for that to the appropriate group.

Surfer
June 13, 2007, 10:32 AM
I agree.

Based on intial news I also thought somehow some PAK players/team members/fans/bookies were involved. I apologize for that to the appropriate group.

You are not the only one in suspecting that. The way the Jamaican police handled the case they did project an image like that.

sandpiper
June 13, 2007, 01:47 PM
:floor:

In two weeks, the headlines would read;

"Woolmer murdered by CIA"

Another two weeks;

"Woolmer was a member of a Satanic cult"

Or possibly: Wooler not dead.....that was a look alike

Whatever happened to the poisin in drink and the strangulation marks on his neck. Hope they wont say that it was natural poison and natural strangulation.

SideWinder
June 13, 2007, 03:00 PM
Btw, PCB have abandoned it , they say its over, time to move on. good work by pcb.

Ganguly da
June 13, 2007, 04:44 PM
I bet there is a cover up here.... the original pathologist still adhering to his claim that he was murdered.

Sohel
June 14, 2007, 01:44 AM
I bet there is a cover up here.... the original pathologist still adhering to his claim that he was murdered.

yep he does. here's a report: -

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/66A6A721-5080-4B92-855B-040E56BF7760.htm

there may actually be a cover up.

Antora
June 14, 2007, 02:06 AM
I bet there is a cover up here.... the original pathologist still adhering to his claim that he was murdered.

I agree with u!!!
faltu reports!!!!! i mean seriously its obvious he has been murdered and know they say he has dided or natural causes??? gosh how dumb do they think we r??

Surfer
June 14, 2007, 02:48 AM
I bet there is a cover up here.... the original pathologist still adhering to his claim that he was murdered.

yep he does. here's a report: -

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/66A6A721-5080-4B92-855B-040E56BF7760.htm

there may actually be a cover up.

I agree with u!!!
faltu reports!!!!! i mean seriously its obvious he has been murdered and know they say he has dided or natural causes??? gosh how dumb do they think we r??

Quite possible. PCB has interfered in Jamaican legal proceedings in the past as well....by using international diplomatic influence. In 1993 Akram, Waqar, Aquib and Mushtaq were arrested in Jamaica for possesing drugs. The case was water tight as they were caught red handed. The case got very controversial and reached diplomatic levels. Pakistan put heavy pressure on the Jamaican government, the Prime Minister of Jamaica interfered and the Pakistani players were released.

I wont be surprised if the same happened this time. There had been strong suggestions of a murder and the investigating authorities have failed to produce an explanation.

1. Who gave Mushtaq poisoned bottle that he passed on to Woolmer and why? Someone playing a practical joke?
2. Why did some PCB officials and players change rooms so late in the night?
3. The 'broken bone in the neck' was actually the Hyoid Bone and that would be virtually impossible to break on its own in a fall without other obvious injurues that pointed to the cause. No fall can so neatly sever the Hyoid bone.....such a fall is bound to leave some more injuries....any doctor or investigator would say that.
4. The weedkiller found in the glass has to be justified. Was it just resting the glass gossiping with Woolmer?

I am saying that its a murder being covered up, but I would like the authorities to answer these questions.

gatekeeper
June 14, 2007, 08:03 AM
a SERIOUS apology is in order.

Apology to whom? Pakistan players?

gatekeeper
June 14, 2007, 08:05 AM
Quite possible. PCB has interfered in Jamaican legal proceedings in the past as well....by using international diplomatic influence. In 1993 Akram, Waqar, Aquib and Mushtaq were arrested in Jamaica for possesing drugs. The case was water tight as they were caught red handed. The case got very controversial and reached diplomatic levels. Pakistan put heavy pressure on the Jamaican government, the Prime Minister of Jamaica interfered and the Pakistani players were released.

I wont be surprised if the same happened this time. There had been strong suggestions of a murder and the investigating authorities have failed to produce an explanation.

1. Who gave Mushtaq poisoned bottle that he passed on to Woolmer and why? Someone playing a practical joke?
2. Why did some PCB officials and players change rooms so late in the night?
3. The 'broken bone in the neck' was actually the Hyoid Bone and that would be virtually impossible to break on its own in a fall without other obvious injurues that pointed to the cause. No fall can so neatly sever the Hyoid bone.....such a fall is bound to leave some more injuries....any doctor or investigator would say that.
4. The weedkiller found in the glass has to be justified. Was it just resting the glass gossiping with Woolmer?

I am saying that its a murder being covered up, but I would like the authorities to answer these questions.

Another possibility-International Bookies had the case snuffed. They millions to spend on this and it it to their interest.

SMHasan
June 14, 2007, 08:44 PM
I still don't believe that it was a normal death. Woolmar cannot suicide, he wasnt that ill that he died for normal reasons- that gives us enough reasons to think that he was murdered.

It is just hurting that how 'they' covered everything. If this is the case then cricket is in serious danger. The future of this beautiful game is dark and ICC must do something about this.

I feel deeply for Hansie Cronje and Woolmer both. Both of them made SA nearly a perfect team during 1999 WC. What a time that was. Both them will go down as one of the best in this sport. Unfortunately both of them died all on a sudden. Sad end and unexpected.