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Miraz
June 4, 2007, 07:30 AM
Bangladesh Test Squad for the Tour of Sri Lanka 2007

Following is the Bangladesh Test squad announced today (Monday) for the Tour of Sri Lanka 2007:


1. Mohammad Ashraful (Captain)
2. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza (Vice Captain)
3. Habibul Bashar
4. Javed Omer
5. Mehrab Hossain (Jr.)
6. Shahriar Nafees Ahmed
7. Rajin Saleh
8. Shakib Al Hasan
9. Khaled Mashud
10. Shahadat Hossain Rajib
11. Syed Rasel
12. Mohammed Rafique
13. Abdur Razzak
14. Mohammad Sharif
15. Mushfiqur Rahim



Players to join the ODI Squad:

1. Aftab Ahmed
2. Tamim Iqbal
3. Tushar Imran
4. Farhad Reza
5. Mahmudullah Riyad

Surprisingly no Tushar Imran in the Test squad and Aftab again left out. Razzak takes the place of Enamul Jr. in the Test.

Only new face is Mahmudullah Riyadh in the ODI squad, he was more required in the Test side. I don't see any place for Tushar Imran and Mahmudullah in the ODI squad.

cricket_dorshok
June 4, 2007, 07:33 AM
Good to see Rahim in the test squad.
so 4 fast bowlers (Mash, Rajib, Rasel and Sharif) and one specialist spinner (Rafiq). Are they going to play in the bouncy pitch?

Braveheart
June 4, 2007, 07:34 AM
I like this team except for the fact that Tushar gets kicked out of the test squad without playing a single game. I hope being in the ODI squad would help him to keep his self belief. And Enamul Haq should not feel too bad. He was out of cricket for too long. BCB should try to get him back in form anyway possible.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/UK_CRICKET/idUKDHA25926720070604

DHAKA, June 4 (Reuters) - Bangladesh have recalled left-arm spinner Abdur Razzak and batsman-cum-wicketkeeper Mushfiqur Rahim in a 15-man test squad for the Sri Lanka tour later this month.

They will replace left-arm spinner Enamul Haque junior and batsman Tushar Imran, who were in the test squad in the recent home series against India.

India won the series 1-0, after the rain-hit first match ended in a draw.

Bangladesh will play three tests and three one-day matches against Sri Lanka. The test series begins in Colombo on June 25.

Aftab Ahmed, Tamim Iqbal, Tushar Imran, Farhad Reza and uncapped off-spinner-cum-batsman Mahmudullah Riyad will join the squad before the start of the one-day series.

The Bangladesh Cricket Board will name the one-day squad for the tour later.

Test squad - Mohammad Ashraful (captain), Masharafe Mortaza, Habibul Bashar, Javed Omar, Mehrab Hossain jnr, Shahriar Nafees, Rajin Saleh, Saqibul Hasan, Khaled Mashud, Shahadat Hossain, Syed Rasel, Mohammad Rafique, Abdur Razzak, Mohammad Sharif, Mushfiqur Rahim.

nannu
June 4, 2007, 07:36 AM
o no pilot and [] Bashar stil in the team.
i have lost interest in test match vs srilanka allready

nannu ( the depressive fan )

cricket_dorshok
June 4, 2007, 07:39 AM
o no pilot and [] Bashar stil in the team.
i have lost interest in test match vs srilanka allready

nannu ( the depressive fan )
com'on man, we need Bashar in test. He most likely be back after the test series.

taklima_naj
June 4, 2007, 07:41 AM
dont like the test team at all, Rajin actually can open innings; so whats the point of having three other openers instead of middle order batsman, when two of them are really slow ( Javed and Mehrab) and another one is out of form ( Nafis).Nafis could actually rested and obviously instead of mehrab and Javed Aftab and Tushar would be better choice.

Cant understand what they are trying to do.

taklima_naj
June 4, 2007, 07:45 AM
What is the point of having k. Masud and Mushfiqur rahim together instead of good specealist batsman
Oh really silly team

BonBon
June 4, 2007, 07:48 AM
dont like the test team at all, Rajin actually can open innings; so whats the point of having three other openers instead of middle order batsman, when two of them are really slow ( Javed and Mehrab) and another one is out of form ( Nafis).Nafis could actually rested and obviously instead of mehrab and Javed Aftab and Tushar would be better choice.

Cant understand what they are trying to do.

Very well put. Good to have Bashar..but not the others. Mehrab is Golla clone soJO could be left out. And Nafis is 'nanga' for the time being and could use some rest

Miraz
June 4, 2007, 07:50 AM
Now in the front page

Current Tour

Bangladesh in Sri Lanka, 2007
Bangladesh announce Test squad for Sri Lanka tour
4 June 2007
The newly revised selection panel of Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) has announced the 15 member Test squad for the upcoming 3 match Test series against Sri Lanka.
Selectors recalled Left arm spinner Abdur Razzak and young wicketkeeper Mushfiqur Rahim to the squad. Tushar Imran and Enamul Haque Jr., who played in the recently concluded series against India, have been left out.

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Miraz
June 4, 2007, 07:52 AM
Good to see Rahim in the test squad.
so 4 fast bowlers (Mash, Rajib, Rasel and Sharif) and one specialist spinner (Rafiq). Are they going to play in the bouncy pitch?

Razzak is there. :)

amra_korbo_joy
June 4, 2007, 07:53 AM
Test team:
Out of form Shahriar Nafees Ahmed is still in the team :E
Mohammad Sharif who is worse bowler than Taposh is still in the team :E
No Aftab , No Tushar Imaran:E
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ODI team is OK

Remarks: Some one must replace Farooq. Earlier is done, the better for the test team.

cricket_fanatic
June 4, 2007, 07:58 AM
I don't see the point of two wicketkeepers. Has Mushfiq been taken to keep Pilot on his toes or as a back-up middle order batsman? Considering Mehrab Jr has been picked as an opener, we should have picked Tushar Imran in case we need to replace one of the middle-order batsman which might be required as its a 3 test series.

Kusunokiryo
June 4, 2007, 08:05 AM
When u will choose ur team u should think about the opposition and conditions. Its a 3 test match series, need good back up players. Why sharif is in the team? Need some quick bowler. Syed Rasel also not fit for the test team. Need a offspiner considering opposition. Why Tushar Imran is out of team? Need a solid batsman like Tushar in test team. SN should give a break to regain his form. Not a good test team at all.

bangla786
June 4, 2007, 08:05 AM
khaled masud???? jAved Omar??? and [] md. sharif instead of tamim, aftab and tushar imran???

[edited] akram

sorry but dis is totaly [] up and another innings defeat in making!
wts da point of even making a selection! its da same daam team that just lost agnasit india!

Miraz
June 4, 2007, 08:07 AM
If everything goes according to plan.

5 players who will return from Test squad will be

1. Habibul Bashar
2. Khaled Mashud
3. Rajin Saleh
4. Javed Omar
5. Mohammad Sharif

Sumon77
June 4, 2007, 08:08 AM
From the above list the playing 11 for the 1st test can be like this. Later mehrab Jr. can replace one of the openers if required for later games.
1. Golla
2. Nafees
3. Bahsar
4. Ash
5. Rajin
6. Saqib
7. Mushi
8. Mash
9. Rafiq
10. Rajib
11. Rajjak

SS
June 4, 2007, 08:14 AM
Still think taking off form batsmen will not help us stabilize the middle order batting. Selectors are too scary not to chose someone from the leagues longer version top scorers. SN,Bashar,Golla,Rajin,Ash,Saqib have to prove that they can together score 300 runs minimum. I don't know how will they do it when four listed above are not in a good touch at all at present moment.

Rabz
June 4, 2007, 08:15 AM
Same team with new captain.
Nothing surprising over there.
Lets see if Ash-Mash can turn around our luck.

BANFAN
June 4, 2007, 08:19 AM
I thought Aftab deserved to be in both teams.

Sumon77
June 4, 2007, 08:20 AM
atleast lets hope will see some improvement in fielding by better field placing by Ash.. but the real concern still is batting... seriously hope they will chose Mushi over Pilot.

mahbubH
June 4, 2007, 08:22 AM
Probably Mushfiq is selected as a batsman .. he played as batsman in England before. I like his batting, suitable for tests. Pilot is probably playing his last series!

Rasel and Sharif as test bowlers telling everything about our pace blowling strength!!

WarWolf
June 4, 2007, 08:24 AM
If everything goes according to plan.

5 players who will return from Test squad will be

1. Habibul Bashar
2. Khaled Mashud
3. Rajin Saleh
4. Javed Omar
5. Mohammad Sharif

I think Rajin will be there. Mehrab will return instead of him.

tma
June 4, 2007, 08:24 AM
Didn't like the squad, esp. to see two GOLLAs (Javed, and Mehrab jr), it's hard to decide who is slower! Why do we need two wicketkeepers? Mushfiq alone could do that job. Besides Mushfiq is way better batsman than Pilot. So, no point to have Pilot in the squad. S. Nafees is not in form, but still selected knowing we are NOT playing against Zim!

SS
June 4, 2007, 08:27 AM
May be I am wrong, but why we can't choose the top consistent performers in the 4 day league matches (one batsmen, one pacer). If they are that bad against intl teams then there is something wrong with our league system. What you guys think?

Fazal
June 4, 2007, 08:31 AM
Cannot comment about ODI as we don't know who will be there and who won't be. But based on TEST team. looks like Farque is making sure that if He, Bashar, Gullu, Pilot goes to drain, they will try their best to drag Ash along with them. Feel sorry for Ash, because they didn't gave him enough resources to give a good fight. Again if Rain doesn't save us, it will over within 3 days. We all know, batting is the main bottleneck filled with out of form players. And they did little to even try to solve the problem.

Batting wise, all the ususal suspects are still there/ Lets see the batting strength in the team:


1. SN (out of form for a while)
2. Javed (He will try to fight, but does he have anything left ?)
3. Mahrab Jr. ( Kind of out of form. Showed nothing in team-a that tells me he is in form)
4. Bashar . No comment needed about his current form
5. Saki. The only hope. But too inexperienced to hope too much from him.
6. Rajin. Only batsman who is kind of in-from and we can expect some 40/50+ scores from him playing TEST match i.e. staying in the wicket not a quickfire 40/50 score.
7. Ash. Yes he will give another ODI type 50+ score and excite the fan base. But will it help to drag the game beyond 3rd day? answer a firn NO.
8. Pilot. Another player who have nothing left as a batsman.
9. Rahim, Yes he is a much better choice as batting WC. But as a pure batsman in a batting slot? Not yet... I don't feel that comfortable.
10. Sharif. He haven't shown anything so far to warrant a slot. Batting wise nothing so far.
11. Mashrafe. Only one who is over achieving as a batsman. The question is how long?
12. Rafique. There is no doubt in my mind, he is loosing his form as a btsman for a while now. He rearly crosses double digits now a days.
12. Razzak. I have doubt now a days about his batting skills.
13. Rasel/Shahadat. We shouldn't expect much from them as a batsman.

There was an opportunity to add Tushar/Aftab/Farhad/Tamim instead of some out of from players. They didn't/ And I am afraid Ash and fans will have to pay for Faruk's (and co.) stupidty.

I am not saying dropping all the out of from players frim the team. But keeping so many out -of form players (Gullu, Bashar, SN, Mehrab Jr, Pilot) in the same team is like commiting suicide even before the series started.

Ehsan
June 4, 2007, 08:33 AM
Atleast Aftab deserved to be on both teams. He would have added that aggressive approach to our Test team than mere surrender.

Tigers_eye
June 4, 2007, 08:42 AM
1st, this is a 3 test series.
6 innings which is the good part.

I question few selections especially the D- and F's that I handed out last time. But since the team has been selected I would stick with the team and ride it out. Best wishes to the team. A draw could do us wonders however, with this team going beyond 4th day is wish full thinking. 2 days (SL batting).

Ehsan
June 4, 2007, 08:46 AM
I wonder if we could have brought back Tapash in the test team. Atleast he has pace and is a proven wicket taker. He was our strike bowler when Masri was out due to injuries. An attack of Mashrafe, Shahadat and Tapash would have been awesome.

Sumon77
June 4, 2007, 08:47 AM
1st, this is a 3 test series.
6 innings which is the good part.

I question few selections especially the D- and F's that I handed out last time. But since the team has been selected I would stick with the team and ride it out. Best wishes to the team. A draw could do us wonders however, with this team going beyond 4th day is wish full thinking. 2 days (SL batting).
ya.... unless Ash plays an extra ordinary innisngs like 158 against India... definitely we cant drag the game in 5th day. But hope some real contribution from Saqib and Rajin.
I guess they will play Pilot in the first game and if he fails, they will bring Mushi in the 2nd test. But the damage would already be done in the first test.

Miraz
June 4, 2007, 08:49 AM
Drafting in Tushar and Aftab in place of Pilot and Golla would have been a near perfect team.

Shaan
June 4, 2007, 08:52 AM
I hope Rajin will be playing in oneday team, he is a solid batsman who can build up an anchor and score the runs for the team. His techniques always looks very reliable.

Shaan
June 4, 2007, 08:53 AM
Drafting in Tushar and Aftab in place of Pilot and Golla would have been a near perfect team.

Ditto..

mali007
June 4, 2007, 08:56 AM
From the above list the playing 11 for the 1st test can be like this. Later mehrab Jr. can replace one of the openers if required for later games.
1. Golla
2. Nafees
3. Bahsar
4. Ash
5. Rajin
6. Saqib
7. Mushi
8. Mash
9. Rafiq
10. Rajib
11. Rajjak
With current form Bashar should play down the order. If Bashar bat at 3 , I can smell
another 10 for 3 in 1st 5 overs !!! Rajin should bat at 3.

cricket_pagol
June 4, 2007, 09:15 AM
Tushar dropped from the test team again, without playing a game!!!

Protic
June 4, 2007, 09:25 AM
If we go for 3 seamers..i'll take Rasel..he has good test records vs SL.
Again KM.. had no place..could have easily been replaced by Aftab. Anyway my team stands like this
Shahriar Nafees
Javed Omar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Habibul Bashar
Sakibul Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mashrafe Mortaza
Mohammad Rafique/Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hossain
Syed Rasel

SS
June 4, 2007, 09:26 AM
I wonder if we could have brought back Tapash in the test team. Atleast he has pace and is a proven wicket taker. He was our strike bowler when Masri was out due to injuries. An attack of Mashrafe, Shahadat and Tapash would have been awesome.
Agree with Ehsan bhai, Tapash, though nothing extraordinary, but a hard working player. But still nobody answered my question of not selecting the top consistent performers(one batsmen and one bowler) from the leagues for test team atleast. Why we are not relying our selection process from league performance, what's the purpose of the league if players do not have to perform to retain their places or how we will know who can serve better than few of non performers of our team.

Sohel
June 4, 2007, 09:27 AM
tough to stay g-rated with this selection. no acknowledgement of what was exposed against india, and no accountability as always. responsibility? that must be someone else's business as it has been since faruikka, ata and that incompetent bunch were brought in to demonstrate what arbitrary selection is all about, and take their exasperating limitations to newer, smellier lows. SHAME ON THEM. no sweet farewells from here when the time comes to depart their little fiefdom after the tour.

glad to see mushy and razz back on the test side. sad, but sadly not surprised see tamim, aftab and alok still getting the shaft, the first two being penalized for putting runs on the board and being kept out the longer version of the game. poor tushar can now join tapash in faruikka's closet of unfair anxieties somewhere in the darkest corners of his sterile mind, and watch the game on BTV.

nafees iqbal would've been the esoteric choice who could've saved abir’s career if abir wilts under this added pressure, fails to do anything in SL, and never recover from the failure. i hope he succeeds, we cannot do without him before tamim, nirala (raquibul hasan) and maybe a resurrected nafees iqbal are ready to assume the opening duties with success.

junaid, dollar, and maybe even nirala could've been previewed in this tour, and added value to the future of our cricket. that didn't happen because our "old school", and i'm being as generous and polite as i can be here, wouldn't recognize a vacuum even if it sucked all the air out of their comfort zone and suffocated us to death instead. yet another classic from faruikka and co. they just had to dance this last dance, and give the buira brigade yet another chance to redeem themselves at the expense of the team as a whole, and take the questionable talents of mehrab jr, riyad and sharif along for the futile ride. that being said, i sincerely hope that they prove the rest of us wrong and succeed... i'm not a betting man, but wouldn't bet on that little possibility if i was.

wildcard: there's always the hybrid mashraful to the rescue. sad, because this was a good opportunity for bangladeshi cricket to be "rescured". it was indeed moronic of this fan to hope that mashraful will have a better team to debut with. i guess the tougher the challenge, the sweeter the success if our young tigers do the very best they can, and those glorious uncertanties tilt our way.

anyway... GO TIGERS, GO MASHRAFUL !!!

SS
June 4, 2007, 09:33 AM
Drafting in Tushar and Aftab in place of Pilot and Golla would have been a near perfect team.
Selectors are giving chances(!) to our senior players to prove experience matters(!!) in test. If that is their selection criteria, I will just wait till the SL tour starts, and then will make comments on selection process. But I wonder how we will survive with all these out of form batsmen. If we get all innings defeats, Big Boss will review the performance.

Rubu
June 4, 2007, 09:41 AM
As much as I hated Bashar the captain, once he is out of it, I want him to be in test team. You should not have any issue with that. Just look at his batting stat at test. I don't want to see him in ODI, but he is still very important in test.

akabir77
June 4, 2007, 09:43 AM
Well We need HB to get his form back or we will lose all test inside three days.

Lets look at the squad and tell me which players can play big innings

1. Golla (he is in best form and showed couple of times in test that he got the right frame of mind)
2. SN (out of form)
3. HB (out of form)
4. Ash (Who knows when he will play but he can that's for sure)

So other than those 4 we have
1. Rajin (best 50 but at least he can take up 100 balls to do so)
2. Mash (best some 60+ but this will be fast so no point in test unless the top four scored at least two hundreds)
3. Rafiq (he is lost but may be he can fire up before he fades away)
4. Mehrab Jr. (may be he can score a big one while taking up a lot of balls but still unproven)
5. Rahim (at best 40+ still novice)

Dudvat Batsmen in the team
1. Pilot
2. Russel
3. Razzak
4. Sharif
5. shadat

So looks like we will depend hugely on top 4 for a compititive scores. And since 2 of them is out of form and they r the best we got instead of calling name we should hope that at least on of them gain back their form. else we have no chance

The only good batsman(not in the squad) we had was Tusher who could have been in top batsman(in that case we could have 5 instead of 4) but they left him out without giving any chance. this again showed that he was picked for the indian test so that Abahani doesn't win the League...He is more a Test player than an ODI one. He takes up time to settle and then scores runs...This is unfortunate that we ruining him like this.

People r asking for aftab and tamim please grow up. we r already going to finish the test in three days inclusion of them will have a better runs but still we will lose in three days. Kapali might have been a good choice which was neglected but NCL performers had to be chosen for academy-A team before gets selected for the NTL Team. So was there a good performer in the academy or A team from last two three years? Please keep your choice from there and you will see you don't have much choices yet.

SS
June 4, 2007, 09:44 AM
Agree we with what Sohel_NR said, what our selectors are doing to solve our main problems by selection process, especially for batting! tamim and aftab should have been chosen, but who will they replace, also alok did OK in the leagues (nothing extraordinary, but he might have to prove more). Selectors still do not have any solutions yet to create a team that can play more than three to four days of test cricket. So expect to see another debacle.

nafees iqbal would've been the esoteric choice who could've saved abir’s career... tamim, nirala (raquibul hasan) and maybe a resurrected nafees iqbal are ready to assume the opening duties with success.
I also think top performers in recent leagues should have been given chances.

junaid, dollar, and maybe even nirala could've been previewed in this tour, and added value to the future of our cricket.
True but don't you think they need to tested little bit more in leagues before getting drafted in national side.

radagast
June 4, 2007, 10:00 AM
Two WC? Are they planning to alternate them between tests?

akabir77
June 4, 2007, 10:03 AM
Two WC? Are they planning to alternate them between tests?

I think pilot didn't do that well in india test so if he continues his form selectors will drop him in the middle of the series and let mush play and see how he does (not a good idea, he should be tested in A team not here)

jawaherul
June 4, 2007, 10:06 AM
the selectors were not brave enough to take all the right decisions . they are going through a motion ; does not want to make drastical changes . I wonder whether ashraful had been given the opportunity to say a single word .

firstly , it has been very cruel unjustice to tushar . tushar should have been included in the test squad and excluded from the odi , i think . tushar had shown good form in longer version games with the A team . so , i think he deserves a call in the test squad . but , in the odi , i don't think he would have a single match to play or sneak into the playing 11 . so , once again , he would have a tour with no matches , probably . also including tushar in odi seems to me like the decision of asia 11 selectors giving bangladesh 4 players in the 20-20 while depriving us in the odi . to tushar , they would say , don't be upset . what if you are not in the test ? you are in the odi . now be happy .

then again , i think , for this series , shahriar nafees should have been rested to have a break , which is very needed for him right now . he must think about his game right now . tamim should have been in his place , i think . selectors were not brave to include him or they are prejudicious about attacking batsmen failing in test even after having sound technique .

thirdly , there is no need to two wicket-keepers . now , i think , it is time to say good byw to khaled masud . he will have his chance if he can prove his worth in the domestic games . but selectors thought otherwise or they have once again lacked boldness .tushar could have been in place of masud .

fourthly , if they were to include 4 pacers , i doubt whether sharif is a perfect choice . probably they thought that , he deserves another chance . dropping him after just one test would be unfair . if it is so , then they are right . but i wonder why they don't think this way for the case of tushar . and for the fourth pacer , i think in the next series someone else ... tapash , dollar , shafaq , shajada ... someone should be given a try .

lastly , sri lanka traditionally build very spin-favorable wicket . i can recall a test in colombo where there was turn for the spinners from day 1 . they probably do this for murli . although for bangladesh , might think otherwise and buid some less spinning wicket , i think , enamul jnr should have been included together with rafiq and razzaq , specially because it is a 3 test series . to include enamul , rasel or sharif could have been dropped .


my squad would have been .........

Md.Ashraful (C)
Mashrafe Mortaza (VC)
Javed Omar
Mehrab Hossain jnr.
Tamim Iqbal
Habibul bashar
Saqib al Hasan
Tushar Imran
Rajin Saleh
Mushfiq Rahim
Md.Rafiq
Abdur Razzaq
Enamul Haq jnr.
Shahadat Hossain
Sayed Rasel/Md.Sharif/Dollar Mahmud



Also , i think , habibul should come at number 5 instead of number 3 . rajin should be in 3 , ash in 4 .i would also be happy to have mahmudullah riayd in the test squad rather than oneday . in test , we need even more variation in bowling attack than in test . however , let's see how he does in the series . i hope he does well . we are badly in need of a right-arm offspinner/legspinner

Miraz
June 4, 2007, 10:09 AM
tough to stay g-rated with this selection. no acknowledgement of what was exposed against india, and no accountability as always. responsibility? that must be someone else's business as it has been since faruikka, ata and that incompetent bunch were brought in to demonstrate what arbitrary selection is all about, and take their exasperating limitations to newer, smellier lows. SHAME ON THEM. no sweet farewells from here when the time comes to depart their little fiefdom after the tour.

We are getting too much trigger happy to say the least. Name calling of players and selectors are becoming a fashion here, and we want to forget the contribution of these selectors in raising the standard of Bangladesh cricket in a flash.

Selection is a thankless job, when it's paid off, everyone praise the player and when it backfires, the selectors get hammered by the fan. Having said that, our current bunch of selectors are way better than any other previous group of selectors. They gradually drafted the youngsters and played a key role in recent resurgence of Bangladesh in the ODI arena. Few selections are debatable, but selection process always remains debatable.

When they drafted Tamim and Mushfiq in the world cup squad, the whole media and part of the fans were deadly against them including our former national players. Their decision was right and we all witnessed that in the Caribbean. Have some respect before pulling the trigger again.


nafees iqbal would've been the esoteric choice who could've saved abir’s career if abir wilts under this added pressure, fails to do anything in SL, and never recover from the failure. i hope he succeeds, we cannot do without him before tamim, nirala (raquibul hasan) and maybe a resurrected nafees iqbal are ready to assume the opening duties with success.Nafis is not fully fit yet and drafting him early will ruin his career forever, a very sensible decision to give him some extra time.

junaid, dollar, and maybe even nirala could've been previewed in this tour, and added value to the future of our cricket. that didn't happen because our "old school", and i'm being as generous and polite as i can be here, wouldn't recognize a vacuum even if it sucked all the air out of their comfort zone and suffocated us to death instead. yet another classic from faruikka and co. they just had to dance this last dance, and give the buira brigade yet another chance to redeem themselves at the expense of the team as a whole, and take the questionable talents of mehrab jr, riyad and sharif along for the futile ride. that being said, i sincerely hope that they prove the rest of us wrong and succeed... i'm not a betting man, but wouldn't bet on that little possibility if i was. Hmm... we can always think of experimenting uncapped players (even without sufficient FC experience to destroy their career) in every series, but reality is different. Any series against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka is one of the toughest tour of world cricket, even for Australians. And you want to test Junaid or Rakibul in Test cricket? Neither of them are Test ready yet, if we have to draft them in, that shoud be in a home series after giving some A team tours.

Current selection is not a very good one. No point carrying JO, Pilot with the team. Replacing them with Aftab and Tushar would have been a near perfect team. Too much experiemntation with youngsters will only ruin their career.

cricketlvr
June 4, 2007, 10:11 AM
what's the point of two wicket keepers...only mushfiq should be there, so we'd get a wicket keeper + batsman...2 in 1...and have another good batsman on the team. this team has played recently...so hopefully they've learned something and can do better this time around with ash-mash.

radagast
June 4, 2007, 10:12 AM
I think pilot didn't do that well in india test so if he continues his form selectors will drop him in the middle of the series and let mush play and see how he does (not a good idea, he should be tested in A team not here)

So if Pilot is the WC for the first test, are we still going to have mush as a batsman in the team?

akabir77
June 4, 2007, 10:18 AM
We are getting too much trigger happy to say the least. Name calling of players and selectors are becoming a fashion here, and we want to forget the contribution of these selectors in raising the standard of Bangladesh cricket in a flash.

Selection is a thankless job, when it's paid off, everyone praise the player and when it backfires, the selectors get hammered by the fan. Having said that, our current bunch of selectors are way better than any other previous group of selectors. They gradually drafted the youngsters and played a key role in recent resurgence of Bangladesh in the ODI arena. Few selections are debatable, but selection process always remains debatable.

When they drafted Tamim and Mushfiq in the world cup squad, the whole media and part of the fans were deadly against them including our former national players. Their decision was right and we all witnessed that in the Caribbean. Have some respect before pulling the trigger again.


Nafis is not fully fit yet and drafting him early will ruin his career forever, a very sensible decision to give him some extra time.

Hmm... we can always think of experimenting uncapped players (even without sufficient FC experience to destroy their career) in every series, but reality is different. Any series against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka is one of the toughest tour of world cricket, even for Australians. And you want to test Junaid or Rakibul in Test cricket? Neither of them are Test ready yet, if we have to draft them in, that shoud be in a home series after giving some A team tours.

Current selection is not a very good one. No point carrying JO, Pilot with the team. Replacing them with Aftab and Tushar would have been a near perfect team. Too much experiemntation with youngsters will only ruin their career.

Funny thing is miraz bhai i have seen you in other threads making the same comments and people don't counter point you, but we see them in the same mode in newer threads. what do you call these fans?

AGain people like Miraz bhai said instead of thinking jodu modhu and kodu think from A or Academy team and tell me who is in the pipe line or ready for TEST? Then we can discuss about those players... I see only Tusher and May be Enamul Jr in that category...

taklima_naj
June 4, 2007, 10:20 AM
Didn't like the squad, esp. to see two GOLLAs (Javed, and Mehrab jr), it's hard to decide who is slower! Why do we need two wicketkeepers? Mushfiq alone could do that job. Besides Mushfiq is way better batsman than Pilot. So, no point to have Pilot in the squad. S. Nafees is not in form, but still selected knowing we are NOT playing against Zim!

because selectors lost their ghelu totally to select the test team; Ash never can do good job with these out of form batsmen.

akabir77
June 4, 2007, 10:21 AM
So if Pilot is the WC for the first test, are we still going to have mush as a batsman in the team?

I doubt that not at least in the 1st test. may be if all the batsmen fails (i think they will ) then may be in the second test we might see him as a batsman, if pilot does good job as a keeper.

Omio
June 4, 2007, 10:29 AM
Oh.. No ..Aftab isnt there on the test team..

amra_korbo_joy
June 4, 2007, 10:29 AM
Cannot comment about ODI as we don't know who will be there and who won't be. But based on TEST team. looks like Farque is making sure that if He, Bashar, Gullu, Pilot goes to drain, they will try their best to drag Ash along with them. Feel sorry for Ash, because they didn't gave him enough resources to give a good fight. Again if Rain doesn't save us, it will over within 3 days. We all know, batting is the main bottleneck filled with out of form players. And they did little to even try to solve the problem.

Batting wise, all the ususal suspects are still there/ Lets see the batting strength in the team:


1. SN (out of form for a while)
2. Javed (He will try to fight, but does he have anything left ?)
3. Mahrab Jr. ( Kind of out of form. Showed nothing in team-a that tells me he is in form)
4. Bashar . No comment needed about his current form
5. Saki. The only hope. But too inexperienced to hope too much from him.
6. Rajin. Only batsman who is kind of in-from and we can expect some 40/50+ scores from him playing TEST match i.e. staying in the wicket not a quickfire 40/50 score.
7. Ash. Yes he will give another ODI type 50+ score and excite the fan base. But will it help to drag the game beyond 3rd day? answer a firn NO.
8. Pilot. Another player who have nothing left as a batsman.
9. Rahim, Yes he is a much better choice as batting WC. But as a pure batsman in a batting slot? Not yet... I don't feel that comfortable.
10. Sharif. He haven't shown anything so far to warrant a slot. Batting wise nothing so far.
11. Mashrafe. Only one who is over achieving as a batsman. The question is how long?
12. Rafique. There is no doubt in my mind, he is loosing his form as a btsman for a while now. He rearly crosses double digits now a days.
12. Razzak. I have doubt now a days about his batting skills.
13. Rasel/Shahadat. We shouldn't expect much from them as a batsman.

There was an opportunity to add Tushar/Aftab/Farhad/Tamim instead of some out of from players. They didn't/ And I am afraid Ash and fans will have to pay for Faruk's (and co.) stupidty.

I am not saying dropping all the out of from players frim the team. But keeping so many out -of form players (Gullu, Bashar, SN, Mehrab Jr, Pilot) in the same team is like commiting suicide even before the series started.

You said all what I wanted to say. Farooq is the culprit who needs to be fired. test team need to be re-selected by BCB again. Farooq is horrible. He wanted to keep Bashar as our captain. With this selection test team will fail again. Everybody will blame Ashraful but we know it the Farooq. Farooq needs to be paid for this , not Ashraful.

Tigers_eye
June 4, 2007, 10:31 AM
I somewhat agree with Sohel. This is a last ditch effort by the selectors to keep old players in the team. Playing off-form players would harm the team and also harm that player's confidence. So two changes were necessary for sure. Nafees and bashar can't contribute towards the team at this moment. We all witnessed how they gave away their wickets. Especially bashar. he has no understanding of game and his physical ability. Pulling when we are two down with single digit or knicking behind, being a captain he should have little more sense of test cricket batting. He is not the 30 year old Dashing BD batsman once he was who could mercilessly pull the same ball for 4. If performance is not the main criteria then our team would suffer.

Three off-form player (Pilot, Bashar, Nafees) in the playing 11 means we are down 8.

8 vs 11. two innings equates to 16 vs 22. Excellent selection.
Anything under an innings defeat would be a miracle.

taklima_naj
June 4, 2007, 10:33 AM
I doubt that not at least in the 1st test. may be if all the batsmen fails (i think they will ) then may be in the second test we might see him as a batsman, if pilot does good job as a keeper.

Tushar could have been included instead of mashud or mushfiq as aspecilist batsman and at least there wouldnt be much argument there.

what is the point of having two wicketkepper?
really annoying

Russell2k7
June 4, 2007, 10:42 AM
This guy Riad he is good as hell. Good to see him on the team. Test fielding locations should have helped Aftab but again this is our selectors we are talking about.

Russell2k7
June 4, 2007, 10:44 AM
Seems like we will be playing against a full strength SRL team. I hope we do good and not do anything like that second test against IND.

Shafin
June 4, 2007, 10:47 AM
I feel we needed Enam Jr. in place of rasel/sharif,other than that,no complains.

Also,Tamim's !st class form suggests that,we might could have gambled with him in place of SN.

However,I think selectors thought against dropping old members because of only one test series,so this might as well could be their last chance.

Farhad
June 4, 2007, 10:47 AM
Great to see Riyad in the ODI team. A bit dissapointed to see Tamim and Aftab excluded from the Test side though...

Shafin
June 4, 2007, 10:50 AM
Thanks for removing the troll post,that was quick.

Shafin
June 4, 2007, 10:52 AM
Great to see Riyad in the ODI team. A bit dissapointed to see Tamim and Aftab excluded from the Test side though...
Have any of you seen Riyad in Action?

sar2005
June 4, 2007, 11:03 AM
Good team.
I just wonder why this poor Tushar does not get justice! Why the hell he was included in the team against India and now dropped without playing?

Sohel
June 4, 2007, 11:12 AM
Agree we with what Sohel_NR said, what our selectors are doing to solve our main problems by selection process, especially for batting! tamim and aftab should have been chosen, but who will they replace, also alok did OK in the leagues (nothing extraordinary, but he might have to prove more). Selectors still do not have any solutions yet to create a team that can play more than three to four days of test cricket. So expect to see another debacle.


I also think top performers in recent leagues should have been given chances.


True but don't you think they need to tested little bit more in leagues before getting drafted in national side.

good concern in bold there, and thanks for your thoughts bro. let me clarify mine.

i just think that there's a real vacuum in our team in terms of: 1) the well-tempered opener, 2) the third seamer, and 3) the other ODI opener who could've taken advantage of those powerplays. that vacuum created opportunity to bring in nirala, dollar and junaid and have them get their feet wet, so that they, and their coaches can have a better idea about the things they need to do in order to perform at the international level. why? two reasons: 1) the colossal gap in quality between domestic and international opposition at this level, and 2) the fact that traditional inadequacies - namely frequency of FC matches, quality of FC matches, and the utter lack of variety in the wickets those matches are played on - don't give our players too many options other than to learn on the job.

i'd have selected alok not only based on his domestic performance, but also because he has the natural talent to 1) middle whatever comes his way, 2) rotate the strike at will, 3) beat opposition batsman in flight and take wickets, and 4) field better than any other bangladeshi at point. he should be an automatic choice for both our sides. period. rafique, enam and alok bowling in tandem on the murali-friendly lankan pitch could've been the formidable test attack we obvious won't have the chance to see this time around.

nafees iqbal would've been my esoteric choice because 1) abir needs a rest to extend his career mentally, and 2) his talent je kono muhurte legue jete pare. players without talent will never have that possibility to look forward to. if he failed in two consecutive test matches opening with the younger iqbal brother, i'd have given nirala a go. junaid would've opened with tamim in all three ODIs and dollar would've been my third seamer in all three tests. pointless to talk about that now.

club cricket prevents a longer, more professional FC nationals from coming into its own. club cricket is not FC cricket and should be done away with in favor of 6 divisional capital-based professional teams, each with several junior sides to harness and groom young talent. another story (here's a few ideas about that league of our own, fair performance standards, and other prerequisites for selection into the senior side: http://snr1967.blogspot.com/2007/05/6-cricket-next-level-laymans-eventual.html , read the second part not yet published by BC).

whom would i replace based on their recent form and technical limitations? HaBa, golla, pilot, abir, sharif and mehrab junior.

HaBa and golla: forgive me for not believing that HaBa and his dot-ball buddy golla have anything else to give or the capacity to learn from their mistakes. they have had ample time to prove that maybe old dogs can learn new tricks and failed. HaBa will never learn to leash those compulsions, and the strokeless wonder from mohammadpur will never learn to rotate the strike. their recent form and technical flaws cannot justify their selection in any reasonable way, shape or form. i don't believe that the C in BCB should stand for "charity" anymore.

pilot: because mushy's the future, and the better batsman in a severely batting-challenged team.

abir: because he may not recover from another string of failures, a distinct possibility against the likes of vaas, malinga, fernando and even maharoof. i don't think he'll get as far as murali. already under tremendous pressure to perform, and the added humiliation of being stripped of the vice captaincy further depleting his morale, i don't think he'll perform in sri lanka. he needed to sit this one out and rediscover his center.

sharif and mehrab jr: because of their limitations and to give players without those limitations a chance.

it’s all academic now anyway. i just hope that my reservations are wrong, that faruikka’s favorites can ridicule my outrage with their brilliance, and that our boys will grace us with pleasant surprises in their tour of lanka. i'll gladly eat my words if that happens.

Russell2k7
June 4, 2007, 11:15 AM
Too much experiemntation with youngsters will only ruin their career.
I see only Tusher and May be Enamul Jr in that category...
Miraz Bhai you have to agree with one thing is that the youngsters I doubt will do any worse than Old School.

Akabir technically Tushar went reverse: from National team to Academy Team due to failures after giving quite a chance.

Miraz
June 4, 2007, 11:28 AM
Miraz Bhai you have to agree with one thing is that the youngsters I doubt will do any worse than Old School.

Akabir technically Tushar went reverse: from National team to Academy Team due to failures after giving quite a chance.

The question is which youngster?

And true they can't do much worse than some oldies. But have thought the other side of the coin?

If the oldies fail in difficult tour, we can draft the youngsters to replace them. But, if the youngsters fail in a difficult tour, the loss is much worse as they will be out of focus and confidence and we will lose their service for Bangladesh. The same thing happened with Tushar, Alok, Talha, Nafus Iqbal, Sharif. We drafetd them before they were ready, and now we are losing their service.

Now, who are the oldies in the team? I am not saying about JO or Pilot, they are out of my equation, they should have been replaced. I can see only Bashar who has a decent record except India series, Nafees (I don't know whether he should be considered within Oldies) and Sharif.

Rafique should be out of our discussion, he is a performer.

Sharif can be a good example here, was drafted before he was physically ready, we lost his prime time (5 years) and now he looks like a shadow and we are strongly against his inclusion. Drafting youngsters like Roqibul or Junaid straight into the Test arena, can only ruin them and that'll be a huge loss for Bangladesh in the long run.

akabir77
June 4, 2007, 11:30 AM
Akabir technically Tushar went reverse: from National team to Academy Team due to failures after giving quite a chance.

Please don't say Tusher was given quite a chance. he was in and out for one or two matches. He was given 3 match at a time in tour of england where its always hard to do well for a new guy but still he should done better, but there were others that didn't well but only him and some other bowlers were dropped. so please don't say he was given enough chance and such things....

Sohel
June 4, 2007, 11:39 AM
We are getting too much trigger happy to say the least. Name calling of players and selectors are becoming a fashion here, and we want to forget the contribution of these selectors in raising the standard of Bangladesh cricket in a flash.

Selection is a thankless job, when it's paid off, everyone praise the player and when it backfires, the selectors get hammered by the fan. Having said that, our current bunch of selectors are way better than any other previous group of selectors. They gradually drafted the youngsters and played a key role in recent resurgence of Bangladesh in the ODI arena. Few selections are debatable, but selection process always remains debatable.

When they drafted Tamim and Mushfiq in the world cup squad, the whole media and part of the fans were deadly against them including our former national players. Their decision was right and we all witnessed that in the Caribbean. Have some respect before pulling the trigger again.

Nafis is not fully fit yet and drafting him early will ruin his career forever, a very sensible decision to give him some extra time.

Hmm... we can always think of experimenting uncapped players (even without sufficient FC experience to destroy their career) in every series, but reality is different. Any series against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka is one of the toughest tour of world cricket, even for Australians. And you want to test Junaid or Rakibul in Test cricket? Neither of them are Test ready yet, if we have to draft them in, that shoud be in a home series after giving some A team tours.

Current selection is not a very good one. No point carrying JO, Pilot with the team. Replacing them with Aftab and Tushar would have been a near perfect team. Too much experiemntation with youngsters will only ruin their career.

trigger happy is a cool phrase. i choose to see my words as indicative of the reasonable passion that i feel, not of a desire to be cool, or to pick a fight. i simply wasn't raised that way. we don't live in an orwellian universe and opinions may vary. i don't have any issues with yours. respect is earned, not given, you have mine, the selectors don't.

a good selection works when talented players deliver. i'm one those fans who questioned conventional wisdom and welcomed tamim, musy and shakzie as enthusiastically as i advocate the inclusion of junaid, nirala and dollar now with reservations. please look at those before insinuating what kind of fan i may or may not be. doesn't blend well with your customary erudition. that being said, i thinks it's reasonable to assume that if selectors want to take credit for the good ones, they must also take responsibility for the bad ones. the current batch have never considered the latter. as national selectors, they have yet to present us with 1) transparent and well thought-out guidelines for defining and spotting talent, 2) a set of performance standards and other prerequisites for selection, and 3) ideas to start the ongoing process for nationwide talent scouting. so, how are they better Miraz bhai?

as a proud bangladeshi citizen and taxpayer living in bangladesh, i have the right to demand explanations and reasonably vent my exasperation when i don't get them. we pay their salaries, they work for us and are obligated to explain themselves. the selectors need to show the bangladeshi people some respect. in terms of age on the so called respect issue, being a 40-year old man, i don't think murubbiana is that much of an issue here.

i've explained my selection rationale, and the last word in another post in this thread. i'm not going to revisit those again.

WarWolf
June 4, 2007, 11:39 AM
Atleast Aftab deserved to be on both teams. He would have added that aggressive approach to our Test team than mere surrender.
Aftab has weakness against quality spinners. Probably he was left for this reason.

Spitfire_x86
June 4, 2007, 11:46 AM
Terrible team.

I'm not going to say anything about Golla and Pilot's inclusion. But what did Tushar do to get dropped without playing a single test?

Sadz
June 4, 2007, 11:47 AM
I think that leaving aftab out of the test squad was a risky but good decision. You never know he could do well but he is just too much an aggressive player and would throw away wickets too easily in test matches.
However he has to be included in the one dayers, he is a very good batsmen as well as an average bowler.

Miraz
June 4, 2007, 11:53 AM
trigger happy is a cool phrase. i choose to see my words as indicative of the reasonable passion that i feel, not of a desire to be cool, or pick a fight. we don't live in an orwellian universe and opinions may vary. i don't have any issues with yours. respect is earned, not given, you have mine, the selectors don't.

a good selection works when talented players deliver. if selectors want to take credit for the good ones, they need to take responsibility for the bad ones. the current batch never have considered the latter. as national selectors, they have yet to present us with 1) transparent and well thought-out guidelines for defining and spotting talent, 2) a set of performance standards and other prerequisites for selection, and 3) ideas to start the ongoing process for nationwide talent scouting. so, how are they better Miraz bhai?



Opinion can definitely vary, I have no problem with that. I have clearly expressed in my post about the way of expressing the opinion. IMO, expressing opinion with some decency attracts poster to go for a discussion, the other way might earn some applause but in the long run loses credibility. And that's my very personal opinion. Your one can definitely vary.

About the three points you have raised, the second one is not tangible and kind of vague. national selection can't have a very defined performance standard like 1000 runs in domestic cricket or 100 wickets, it's a need based process and is not possible to set a predefined standard. Domestic performances, performance with the A team, age group level, academy team all comes into play. For example, Mahmudullah is not a leading domestic performer, we have much better performer in the domestic circuit. But he played up to the mark with A team and Academy which earned the call. I think most fans appreciate his inclusion. The selectors have definitely these performance standards in mind and working accordingly.

The last one is not the job of the selectors at all, it's the job of BCB and they are doing it for quite some time. Not to the extent I would have liked though. Again it's need based, we need pace bowlers and BCB co-ordinated with the last two edition of nationwide pacer hunt program. They also co-ordinated with the Pink City cricket Medhar Khoje which was in all category.

Now comes the first one, I am kinda baffled. Can you please explain a bit? It's appearing a theoretical term to me. A better explanation will help. Apologies for my limitation.

Dhakablues
June 4, 2007, 11:54 AM
First: We can and will voice our opinion about anything related to cricket,, and some of you mocking the posts which bashes selectors are hillarious at best.. heck whats the purpose of this platform if not get different perspecitve? so get over it, will ya?

Second: Like many of us, we are not sure why is it that we have 2 wicketkeepers in the Test sqad. Giving signals to Masud wont work .. either include him or reject him but this 'giving signal' thing doesnt work for Bangladeshi players,, Bashar was the latest example. I dont get the point in having Sharif in instead of Taposh either... especially when it was pretty evident that Sharif has no magic left after 5 years of absence whilst Taposh still had the pace. I dont see any strategy from the selectors. Did they consider the condition of Sri lanka before selecting the team or just went for a generalized team. How did they drop Enamul when Sri Lankan wickets are going to be made for Murli? And Tusher Imran,, will we ever get to see him actually play play then seeing his name in the squad and not seeing it again? Can the selectors just stop messing with him and ask him to retire instead of humilating him again and again?,,, All in all, I think this is probably the most questionalble selection by Faruque for a Test team. Maybe he also forgot how to select a team for Test cricket after 13 months break... Is this last selection by Faruque had to be this flawed? Or is he giving the some players last chance on his last selection?

Sohel
June 4, 2007, 12:02 PM
And that's my very personal opinion. Your one can definitely vary.

i'd like to leave it at that. please question your intent behind the easy desire to profile me before actually going ahead with the apparently civilized yet deeply personal and offensive banter... i'm not interested in hearing from you what kind of person you wish to conjure me up as... but then again, you're free to think and do as you wish.

Hatebreed
June 4, 2007, 12:02 PM
Glad to see Mushfiq in the test squad, as long as they pick him in the team.

Who is this Mahmudullah guy?

rah
June 4, 2007, 12:04 PM
i have a feeling cos dis is a 3 test match series, and bashar aint captain anymore, mushi will be used as a speacialist batsmen if bshar fail in the first 2 test matches. and i fink da selectors will pik pilot ahead of mushi as da keeper

Fazal
June 4, 2007, 12:08 PM
When some members asked for new bloods and get rid of out-of form players, others cautioned not to be trigger happy. What does it mean? Is it just a another buzz word we tend to over use or misuse?

For example: Bashar is out of form for a while. The same is true for SN. Its also true for Pilot. In some way Gullu is kind of declining for a while. Now if some fans ask their exclusion from SL series and bring some new blood, is that constitute a 'Trigger-Happy' Case?

On the other hand see the following two players: Enamul Jr. and Tushar. True Enamul was not successful or impressive in one TEST. But players like him is the future. Plus Tushar was not even given a chance in last series. They both were dropped. Now isn't it the better case of Selectors being SELECTIVELY 'Trigger Happy'? Do you think Enam Jr. or Tusahr was given enough opportunity before dropping them out of TEST team?

I think we are using the term ''Trigger Happy' to the wrong people. It should be directed to the selectors instead of fans who are looking for new bloods instead of Pilot/Bashar/Gullu/SN/etc who are out of form for a while now.

Miraz
June 4, 2007, 12:14 PM
i'd like to leave it at that. please question your reasons behind the easy desire to profile me before actually going ahead with the apparently civilized yet deeply personal and offensive banter... i'm not interested in hearing from you what kind of person you wish to conjure me up as... but then again, you're free to think and do as you wish.

Sohel NR, I had no intention to go personal with you or profiling you as you are thinking. In my first post in which I quoted you, all I have said was about the post and the recent trend in BC.

Again in the second post, I tried to discuss about the points you have raised.

I have no easy or difficult desire use offensive terms, and from the first post I am trying to express my concern about offensive terms.

Don't take everything too personal. I differed with your way of expression and some points, I have tried to answer them logically. Let's things be like that.

I was attacking your post, not the person behind the post.

amra_korbo_joy
June 4, 2007, 12:15 PM
Aftab has weakness against quality spinners. Probably he was left for this reason.

That is why I always wanted aftab to be selected as openner

Miraz
June 4, 2007, 12:18 PM
When some members asked for new bloods and get rid of out-of form players, others cautioned not to be trigger happy. What does it mean? Is it just a another buzz word we tend to over use or misuse?

For example: Bashar is out of form for a while. The same is true for SN. Its also true for Pilot. In some way Gullu is kind of declining for a while. Now if some fans ask their exclusion from SL series and bring some new blood, is that constitute a 'Trigger-Happy' Case?

On the other hand see the following two players: Enamul Jr. and Tushar. True Enamul was not successful or impressive in one TEST. But players like him is the future. Plus Tushar was not even given a chance in last series. They both were dropped. Now isn't it the better case of Selectors being SELECTIVELY 'Trigger Happy'? Do you think Enam Jr. or Tusahr was given enough opportunity before dropping them out of TEST team?

I think we are using the term ''Trigger Happy' to the wrong people it should be directed to the selectors instead of fans you are looking for new bloods instead of Pilot/Bashar/Gullu/SN/etc

I have not used the term "Trigger happy" in the context of inclusion or omission of players from the team.

The term was used to indicate the type of expression we are using towards players/selectors.

I hope this clarifies. :)

Murad
June 4, 2007, 12:24 PM
i dont like the team..
i dont understand why Shahriar Nafees is there? He's completely out of form.. they are saying he got a century in the last series.. but that was in 2006.. 14 months before and that time he was in fulll form...

"We picked up Habibul because of his batting career and for the same reason we feel that Nafees deserves a place. True, he struggled in recent times but we should understand that before the last series he had a tremendous hundred and a fifty against Australia," he added.

He deserves a place?? how many more series he deserves?? its all family thing... Nafees is his cousin.. thats all...

we needed Riyad in the TEst squad tooo.. and Tamim/Aftab should be there tooo.. Also Enam Jr. This guy was playing international cricket after 14 month and had a bad test match.. and now hes been dropped without giving another chance.. Faruk saying Nafees had an excellent series against Australia.. so i say Enam Jr had that too.. in the first test.. and couldnt play the 2nd due to injury.... so doesnt he deserves another chance??? And samething goes with Tushar.. bechara..

akabir77
June 4, 2007, 12:24 PM
I think we can definitely say the selectors did a bad job selecting this test team.
Some may disagree but I think this is were they missed the trick
1. selecting Pilot
2. selecting SN
3. NOT selecting Tusher
4. Not Selecting Jr.

But i think they r ok when they selected
1. HB (This series will say what is he is made off, he deserves another chance as we need him back in his form so dearly)
2. and selecting rest.

I my self also question the selectors selection and so did people like faisol bhai and others but calling selectors/player names is not the way. I can understand during the game or after a close lose when every buddy is hot but calling names in every other post shows there is another agenda behind it...

Sohel
June 4, 2007, 12:24 PM
Sohel NR, I had no intention to go personal with you or profiling you as you are thinking. In my first post in which I quoted you, all I have said was about the post and the recent trend in BC.

Again in the second post, I tried to discuss about the points you have raised.

I have no easy or difficult desire use offensive terms, and from the first post I am trying to express my concern about offensive terms.

Don't take everything too personal. I differed with your way of expression and some points, I have tried to answer them logically. Let's things be like that.

I was attacking your post, not the person behind the post.

we cannot control how one chooses to hear what we're saying, and why. we can just try and make our intent less ambiguous by trying to be more considerate. that's tough during a heated exchange between two different but equally passionate bangladeshis happy to die as men who loved their cricket. i'll come to see it your way in a second... whew. OK, no hard feelings bro.

babubangla
June 4, 2007, 12:27 PM
Terrible team.
What did Tushar do to get dropped without playing a single test?

I think, I know why.
He was unemployed for years and then got a job at last.
But he called-in sick on the very first day.
So, he was fired.

Tigers_eye
June 4, 2007, 12:30 PM
... i'll come to see it your way in a second... whew. OK, no hard feelings bro.
Chumma sohel dey dey
Chumma sohel dey dey chumma
Chumma dey! dey dey chumma dey!!

Sohel
June 4, 2007, 12:34 PM
When some members asked for new bloods and get rid of out-of form players, others cautioned not to be trigger happy. What does it mean? Is it just a another buzz word we tend to over use or misuse?

For example: Bashar is out of form for a while. The same is true for SN. Its also true for Pilot. In some way Gullu is kind of declining for a while. Now if some fans ask their exclusion from SL series and bring some new blood, is that constitute a 'Trigger-Happy' Case?

On the other hand see the following two players: Enamul Jr. and Tushar. True Enamul was not successful or impressive in one TEST. But players like him is the future. Plus Tushar was not even given a chance in last series. They both were dropped. Now isn't it the better case of Selectors being SELECTIVELY 'Trigger Happy'? Do you think Enam Jr. or Tusahr was given enough opportunity before dropping them out of TEST team?

I think we are using the term ''Trigger Happy' to the wrong people. It should be directed to the selectors instead of fans who are looking for new bloods instead of Pilot/Bashar/Gullu/SN/etc who are out of form for a while now.

well put bro.

Fazal
June 4, 2007, 12:34 PM
Chumma sohel dey dey
Chumma sohel dey dey chumma
Chumma dey! dey dey chumma dey!!

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SMHasan
June 4, 2007, 12:36 PM
We took a huge risk taking SN. But we did another mistake by excluding Enamul and Tushar. Why TI was dropped? That shows our selectors simply do not follow any rules or principles in selecting players. The selection process should be clear and precise. Simply I am not happy with these selections.

Faruk and co has been doing a pretty good job but now all are messed up. I am disappointed.

Sohel
June 4, 2007, 12:37 PM
Chumma sohel dey dey
Chumma sohel dey dey chumma
Chumma dey! dey dey chumma dey!!

no "chumma" smily bro?

Russell2k7
June 4, 2007, 12:59 PM
The question is which youngster?

And true they can't do much worse than some oldies. But have thought the other side of the coin?

If the oldies fail in difficult tour, we can draft the youngsters to replace them. But, if the youngsters fail in a difficult tour, the loss is much worse as they will be out of focus and confidence and we will lose their service for Bangladesh. The same thing happened with Tushar, Alok, Talha, Nafus Iqbal, Sharif. We drafetd them before they were ready, and now we are losing their service.

Now, who are the oldies in the team? I am not saying about JO or Pilot, they are out of my equation, they should have been replaced. I can see only Bashar who has a decent record except India series, Nafees (I don't know whether he should be considered within Oldies) and Sharif.

Rafique should be out of our discussion, he is a performer.

Sharif can be a good example here, was drafted before he was physically ready, we lost his prime time (5 years) and now he looks like a shadow and we are strongly against his inclusion. Drafting youngsters like Roqibul or Junaid straight into the Test arena, can only ruin them and that'll be a huge loss for Bangladesh in the long run.

Yes I was refering to players like JO, Pilot, and Bashar and not Rafa. I can say with 100% confidence that Raqibul has a good chance of doing better than any three of these players. Bashar yes was our best batsman in test but is just out of touch now but yes he deserves at least one more chance in SRL tour but what about JO?

Well about those players like Sharif, Talha, et el. I have to say that there is a huge difference between that time under-19/academy compared to now. You have to agree that there is a quite a gap between Riyad and Sharif in his prime and Sharif to me is physically unfit as a bowler. Perhaps, Sharif lost his touch because he wasnt given enough chances in the big league? And honestly I dont know much about this guy.

With all that being said, all I am saying is that it wouldnt hurt us or our young players if we give them just say 1match in SRL tour. For example, letting Raqib opening with SN in the 3rd test.

Miraz
June 4, 2007, 01:03 PM
With all that being said, all I am saying is that it wouldnt hurt us or our young players if we give them just say 1match in SRL tour. For example, letting Raqib opening with SN in the 3rd test.

And that's why you need a home series to experiment. You have freedom to select anyone. In an away tour you have got a limitation to select only 15 players. 1 game approach is not ideal for away tours. :)

AsifTheManRahman
June 4, 2007, 01:09 PM
Well I welcome the inclusion of Mushfiq and Razzak, but feel sorry for Tushar. When will he ever get a couple of games at a stretch before anyone considers dropping him?

I also feel sorry for Enam; on a pitch that had nothing for bowlers in general, let alone spinners, someone like Enam, whose performance depends a lot on the amount of turn that the wicket has to offer, was bound to fail. Then again, he did seem out of sorts (especially his action), and still has a long way to go. He will be the best spinner in the world one day, but not now. Maybe it's a good thing that Razzak, albeit being more similar in style to Rafique than Enam, has been given another go in tests. I believe we can't go wrong with him.

Russell2k7
June 4, 2007, 01:10 PM
Please don't say Tusher was given quite a chance. he was in and out for one or two matches. He was given 3 match at a time in tour of england where its always hard to do well for a new guy but still he should done better, but there were others that didn't well but only him and some other bowlers were dropped. so please don't say he was given enough chance and such things....

Oh wait you seem to be complaining about Tushar in Test. While I was talking about Tushar in ODI and not in Test.

Imtiazk
June 4, 2007, 01:19 PM
dont like the test team at all, Rajin actually can open innings; so whats the point of having three other openers instead of middle order batsman, when two of them are really slow ( Javed and Mehrab) and another one is out of form ( Nafis).Nafis could actually rested and obviously instead of mehrab and Javed Aftab and Tushar would be better choice.

Cant understand what they are trying to do.

Why does it matter whether they are slow or not ? This is a test match team. The object is to play 5 days. We can't even play 3 days now.

The only thing which would matter is whether they can score runs or not ? I don't care how long it takes.

Protic
June 4, 2007, 01:29 PM
About Tushar.. I guess Faruk and I have the same thinkings.. lol
I saw on ETV's news..he said " Tushar ke drop kora hoyeche karon she national team chara sob jaigay khub valo perform kore..bola jai amader sobcheye valo performer.. kintu national team er hoye she kokhonoi kichu korte pare na "
Tushar isnt a favourite..but still these kind of statements in media..is really awful..I wonder how tushar felt. I feel sorry for him.

radagast
June 4, 2007, 01:30 PM
Why does it matter whether they are slow or not ? This is a test match team. The object is to play 5 days. We can't even play 3 days now.

The only thing which would matter is whether they can score runs or not ? I don't care how long it takes.

Spot on. Hell I'd be happy if the score board shows 200, as long as they can stay on the crease for 2 whole days! The lack of our team's patience is stretching my patience thin :waiting:

MohammedC
June 4, 2007, 01:55 PM
No point taking Khaled Mashud and Mushfiq, I would pick Mushfiq and use Khaleds position to take Tushar.
Mohammad Sharif- Sorry he may be good bowler playing in first class cricket in BD, But he is too short and slow for test cricket. They should try Dollar in his place

cricketboy
June 4, 2007, 02:38 PM
Personally I would make this changes for the tests:
Pilot-Tushar
Sharif: Enamul(jr)

cricket_pagol
June 4, 2007, 03:15 PM
It is unfortunate that Tsuhar is paying the price for having the oldies like bashar, pilot and javed in the squad. I really feel bad for him :( I am really pissed at Faruk and the selection committee about this decision.

cricket_pagol
June 4, 2007, 03:23 PM
Aftab's inability to play long innings is definitely his weakness... I hope this break give him some time to think about his game and he will come back strongly. Aftab needs to value his wicket more!!!

Imtiazk
June 4, 2007, 03:34 PM
I have to say that I am simply astonished at Aftab's absence from the 15 announced. Am I the only one who has to rub his eyes just to be sure that , in the selectors opinion, there are at least 8 batsmen better than Aftab. Also, not forgetting, he probably saves some 20 to 30 runs a match as a fielder. He can also turn his arm over, if need be.

This leads me to a more serious point. There appears to be a worrying trend in the very nascent stage of our development in that some players are stereotyped. Aftab has been branded, it seems, as a one day player.

This would have been fine had not everyone else been batting in tests exactly as if they were playing a limited overs match.

Aftab is simply a victim of following team orders. He is sent in as the pinch-hitter, a job he actually carries out rather well.

Rajin also to some extent has been categorised as a "test" batsman. There is simply no latitude given that perhaps players could adapt to different circumstances differently.

When Aftab and Ashraful put on that partnership against South Africa, I did not find him in his belligerant mood that he is found coming in at No.3 . A common refrain has been that he throws his wicket away after reaching 30.

Two points emerge here: firstly, he actually reaches 30 and, secondly, who are the others who actually build an innings [ Rajin and JO excepted ]?

Aftab is one Bangladeshi batsman whose average minus Zimbabwe is actually higher than when Zimbabwe matches are included.

Hopefully, soon a place will be found , probably, after the SL tour when Aftab can be accomodated.

ononto
June 4, 2007, 03:50 PM
Drafting in Tushar and Aftab in place of Pilot and Golla would have been a near perfect team.

agreed.

bulbul_fan
June 4, 2007, 05:05 PM
Tushar Shud Play In Place Of Pilot
Enam Shud Play In Place Of Sharif
















100% Sure, Pilot And Sharif Will Fail Badly...

tonoy
June 4, 2007, 05:38 PM
Not a bad selection.

Beamer
June 4, 2007, 10:35 PM
I have to say that I am simply astonished at Aftab's absence from the 15 announced. Am I the only one who has to rub his eyes just to be sure that , in the selectors opinion, there are at least 8 batsmen better than Aftab. Also, not forgetting, he probably saves some 20 to 30 runs a match as a fielder. He can also turn his arm over, if need be.

This leads me to a more serious point. There appears to be a worrying trend in the very nascent stage of our development in that some players are stereotyped. Aftab has been branded, it seems, as a one day player.

This would have been fine had not everyone else been batting in tests exactly as if they were playing a limited overs match.

Aftab is simply a victim of following team orders. He is sent in as the pinch-hitter, a job he actually carries out rather well.

Rajin also to some extent has been categorised as a "test" batsman. There is simply no latitude given that perhaps players could adapt to different circumstances differently.

When Aftab and Ashraful put on that partnership against South Africa, I did not find him in his belligerant mood that he is found coming in at No.3 . A common refrain has been that he throws his wicket away after reaching 30.

Two points emerge here: firstly, he actually reaches 30 and, secondly, who are the others who actually build an innings [ Rajin and JO excepted ]?

Aftab is one Bangladeshi batsman whose average minus Zimbabwe is actually higher than when Zimbabwe matches are included.

Hopefully, soon a place will be found , probably, after the SL tour when Aftab can be accomodated.

I am with you 100% on the points you make regarding Aftab. Playing at no.3 in ODI's for the team has turned him into a complete pinch hitter when he is a much better batsman than that. When he came into the scene, he was not this terror that he has become, rather he was a much more sedate player and still managed to keep up an hefty strike rate beacuse of his ability to hit the boundaries and sixes. Anyone remember the 80 odd in test vs England? or the calm 66 in ODI's against India in '04
? He is partly at fault however for not knowing when to slow down. His inability to read the spinners also is working against him. He is one of the few batsman, apart from Ash, who can actually dominate the bowlers. I also find him playing more sensibly when he is batting with Ash ( SA game was an example ). Those two rotate the strike at ease and can clear the ropes at any time. For one dayers, with Ash being the captain now, I forsee the new skip coming at no.4. Provided Aftab stays until Ash comes down, those two can bat together for a long time to build the platform for the team score. Or, Aftab can follow Ash at no.5 to achieve the same thing. In that case, I will either move up Sakib or play Tushar.

In tests, Aftab being the aggressor that he is, should replace the old Bashar at no.3. Technically he is way superior than Bashar and should have no problem picking the fatser bowlers. Hopefully, by the time when spinners operate, he has spent enough time in the crease already. We have to find a way to play him in both versions of the game. He must help himslef however. He needs to knuckle down when needed. A player of his caliber should be making hundreds when he is in the 40's..

Beamer
June 4, 2007, 10:52 PM
For a three test series, we have taken only four middle order batsman in Bashar, Ash, Sakib and Rajin. This is pure suicide. If one or two struggle, what are our replacements? Rahim is the only one who can replace anyone of them. And he is not a sure bet since Pilot will most probably play in tests. If Pilot, for some reason is droppped midway through the series, Rahim will take over the wkt/batsman role. In that case, lets say hypothetically that Bashar is going through an awful time and we needed a replacement. Who will come in then in the middle order ? One of the openers? This is has been one of the most mindless selection I have seen from this group. They actually have taken none as cover in the middle order. Aftab didn't cut it for them, neither did Tushar or even an Alok. We all know very well that Sharif won't play a single game. His pick is a waste of a spot. I would have picked a middle order batsman instead of him.

Sohel
June 4, 2007, 11:46 PM
BTW Miraz bhai: "i'll see it your way in a second" refers to nothing other than me giving your intent - which i presumed to be a volley of thinly veiled, passive aggressive personal attacks, despite the repeated claim of utilizing impersonal logic - the benefit of the doubt. i stand by all of my posts in this thread and their content, "emotional" and otherwise.

just wanted to clear that up.

BD-Shardul
June 5, 2007, 12:15 AM
1. Why Mashud and SN are in the squad? What the hell they did during the IND series?
2. Why did the selectors choose Tushar for ODI instead of test matches?
3. If Riyad is a good off spinner, why his name is missing from the test squad?

The wisdom of our selectors is far beyond our level of understanding.

cricketboy
June 5, 2007, 01:03 AM
1. Why Mashud and SN are in the squad? What the hell they did during the IND series?
2. Why did the selectors choose Tushar for ODI instead of test matches?
3. If Riyad is a good off spinner, why his name is missing from the test squad?

The wisdom of our selectors is far beyond our level of understanding.

This is all Bangladesh fans' questions too. Selectors are becoming dumber day by day. :-p

Aritro
June 5, 2007, 01:06 AM
Very relieved to see Mushfiq included in the squad. Hopefully selectors will see sense and make the right decision when the team for the first Test has to be selected.

I think those who were expecting the selectors to have the balls to remove Golla and Pilot outright were perhaps letting their expectations get the better of them.

cricket_king
June 5, 2007, 01:14 AM
I still don't understand why they're leaving out key batsmen like tamim and aftab from the test team! :hairpull:
Also, I bet rahim won't even get a chance to play any of the tests, the third at the most. When is Faruq stepping down? :mad:

Antora
June 5, 2007, 01:24 AM
omg... this would have been a perfect team.. if only we had no bashar

Aritro
June 5, 2007, 01:27 AM
omg... this would have been a perfect team.. if only we had no bashar

No, it would have been a perfect team if it had no Golla or Pilot.

Bashar is still one of the best XI Test players in the country until proven otherwise.

PoorFan
June 5, 2007, 02:22 AM
This is NOT a team selection, rather 'khichuri' ( individual ) selection. Bashar, Golla, Pilot, Nafees in test team doesn't make sense, not in past, present, future perspective. Bashar has good record in test but that is MORE THAN A YEAR ago! Golla's form means one or max two 30+ innings in series, Pilot's form means same one or two 20+ innings, Bashar & Nafees has nothing to be called as form lately. So what's the point of having all of them in the team in FIRST EVER 3 test series?? Why keep these all goners for ever ( not Nafees ) in the team instead of young prospective?

I failed to follow selectors focus / perspective on the team rather than individual. <!--StartFragment -->I am more than sure, none of them above will do better than the players of recent A team in Sri Lanka.

Shafin
June 5, 2007, 04:34 AM
This is NOT a team selection, rather 'khichuri' ( individual ) selection. Bashar, Golla, Pilot, Nafees in test team doesn't make sense, not in past, present, future perspective. Bashar has good record in test but that is MORE THAN A YEAR ago! Golla's form means one or max two 30+ innings in series, Pilot's form means same one or two 20+ innings, Bashar & Nafees has nothing to be called as form lately. So what's the point of having all of them in the team in FIRST EVER 3 test series?? Why keep these all goners for ever ( not Nafees ) in the team instead of young prospective?

I failed to follow selectors focus / perspective on the team rather than individual. <!--StartFragment -->I am more than sure, none of them above will do better than the players of recent A team in Sri Lanka.
Other than pilot,Bashar,SN are fine.

Bashar is our best Batsman,and SN has the Best temperament, and this is probably their last chance,.

Luvlee_nik
June 5, 2007, 06:22 AM
omg! i seriously cannot wait for the games to start!!! hopefully the times wont interact with school :P grade 11 is like vital, especially if i wanna e a doctor :(

nannu
June 5, 2007, 06:33 AM
omg! i seriously cannot wait for the games to start!!! hopefully the times wont interact with school :P grade 11 is like vital, especially if i wanna e a doctor :(

yeah i cant wait too. i have 3 weaks vacation starting from next weak. YESSS...
gonna watch on net if free links are available. but like u me too have to study hard if i wanna be a doctor.

Sohel
June 5, 2007, 12:13 PM
This is all Bangladesh fans' questions too. Selectors are becoming dumber day by day. :-p

they're exactly the same as they've always been, more of our fans are smartening up to the facts of life.

Umar
June 5, 2007, 01:03 PM
I am a bit surprised that...Bangladesh Best Bowlers are Only Mashrafee and Russel.

Shahadat works hard but i dont think he is a wicket taking bowler. He is there for service only.

And the only other best bowler we have is SHARIF?? No one is better than him? This is really bad. A country with huge population cannot produce another mashrafee or someone like Sayeed Russel with a bit more pace !

we Need a GENUIN WICKET TAKING PACE BOWLER. Before we needed someone as a GOOD Alrounder. We have it now (mashrafee). But Now we are lacking The GENUIN FAST Bowler like...MOHAMMAD ASIF or McGrath or Bond. I am not saying in their Qualities. But Like Them.

Where are those bowler gone?
1.Talha Jubair and 2. Tarek Aziz.

Can we consider SHANTO? or is he still expensive?

GuruTM
June 6, 2007, 03:06 AM
Cannot comment about ODI as we don't know who will be there and who won't be. But based on TEST team. looks like Farque is making sure that if He, Bashar, Gullu, Pilot goes to drain, they will try their best to drag Ash along with them.

Exactly. Ashraful is made to carry the burden of Basher and specially pilot in that case. Basher might have some spark left in his batting, but pilot? Give me a break.

al Furqaan
June 11, 2007, 05:11 PM
[just got back home after a (very hectic) 2 week family vacation to Europe and Cairo, now back at my 2nd "home"]

as my first post in over a fortnight, i choose the most important thread. i guess everyone else has discussed this to the max as this 117 post thread is buried somewhere in page 2 of the forum, but i feel i should rekindle the alochona.

********

so the main thing is that aftab and enam have been left out. oh, and when an aquantance told me that ash was made full captain, it came as a pleasant surprise.

i really think that enam should have been in the squad in place of sharif. it is too early to tell what sharif can bring - given his penchant for reverse, but one test on a flat wicket against one of the best team against spin, is also far too soon to discard a bowler like enam. and enam comes first, then sharif, ergo bad decision from BCB. but oh well...

i guess its ok that aftab has been left out again, but i would really like to see him from the next test series. he is far too talented to rot on the ODI sidelines. yes, he is not ready for test cricket, but hopefully the "ashraful" treatment will work, and if not, then its abundandtly clear that while BD may be close to ODI parity, it is still a ways away from test parity.

good to see rahim and razzak back, and the managament giving SN another go. also good to see mehrab junior in the side - i hope he gets the nod over JO the father of the golden pair.

ammark
June 12, 2007, 01:28 AM
Very very disappointed to see this list. Reading what Imtiazk, Beamer and Poorfan has said, I dont think I have anything more to add. I cant comprehend how unbelievably unambitious our selectors are.

Very disappointing to see that we are still sticking to the old crop of JO and Pilot while discarding the future of the BD cricket team. I wonder if at all the likes of Tamim and Aftab will ever play test matches, if they dont start playing on subcontinental flat tracks. Everybody loves to point to Bashar's runs from ages ago, and Pilot and JO's consistently underachieving knocks, but are wont to regard Aftab's 80* odd at Chester-le-Street or his patient 66 vs India in 2004-5 season.

As Imtiazk said.... his powerhitting is a result of the team demanding it from him, just as Rajin has been labelled "Test player" because of the expectations placed on his shoulders to play slow. Unlike JO for example Rajin IS able to rotate strike, play off his legs and go over the top.

About Pilot: I guess since he's the best with the gloves, Mushi can be excused from improving his skills in real game time.

Dropping Enam is a very wrong decision, he is the one spinner who genuinely works hard, spins the ball, flights it well and experiments with his deliveries. Dont know how Sharif is going to fare... its amazing that the selectors are willing to discard all these other tried and tested International players for a newbie in.

The only silver lining I see is Mehrab Jr in the squad. Otherwise its amazing that we're going to play one of the best teams with a predetermined plan to not try and win, or even give a contest!

al Furqaan
June 12, 2007, 06:12 AM
As much as I hated Bashar the captain, once he is out of it, I want him to be in test team. You should not have any issue with that. Just look at his batting stat at test. I don't want to see him in ODI, but he is still very important in test.

if bashar can average 30, i agree...but i am afraid he is done in tests...he used to score 50s with religious regularity, but now one decent score per series is all we're seeing.

JamesBond
June 12, 2007, 03:59 PM
Who is Mahmudullah Riyad?

Sohel
June 13, 2007, 03:09 AM
Who is Mahmudullah Riyad?

i guess "M" is not doing her job too well these days, or are you too preoccupied with the next femme fatale ?

here's the tread that can adequately brief you: -

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=21922