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syzygy
June 8, 2007, 01:35 PM
The question is mostly for the Indian fans but everybody is welcome to comment !

damalChele
June 8, 2007, 01:36 PM
neither

syzygy
June 8, 2007, 01:38 PM
neither

invalid choice! :D

BangladeshFan
June 8, 2007, 01:54 PM
i dont even know who ford is, emburay was a non consequential spinner of england. i think there are about 100 former spinners in india who can teach emburay about how to spin the ball. what "specialist coaching" these guys will bring, has they forgotten the lesson of the million dollar man chapel?

i think india need an aggressive skipper more than anything else........ and dravid will not cut it. indians are by nature defensive and they need someone extrovert in the field who will keep encouraging them all the time. i would love to see how tendu performs in his second stint as skipper. he is a naturally agressive guy, he didnt have the right team in his 1st stint, now they have quite a few good players. this is probably the right team to make him the skipper.

syzygy
June 8, 2007, 02:05 PM
i dont even know who ford is, emburay was a non consequential spinner of england. i think there are about 100 former spinners in india who can teach emburay about how to spin the ball. what "specialist coaching" these guys will bring, has they forgotten the lesson of the million dollar man chapel?

i think india need an aggressive skipper more than anything else........ and dravid will not cut it. indians are by nature defensive and they need someone extrovert in the field who will keep encouraging them all the time. i would love to see how tendu performs in his second stint as skipper. he is a naturally agressive guy, he didnt have the right team in his 1st stint, now they have quite a few good players. this is probably the right team to make him the skipper.

to help you with your knowledge of Ford, here is the latest article on cricinfo.

Graham Ford v John Emburey is hardly a contest (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/297321.html)

i dont buy ur argument of being an extrovert always helps.of course dada was an extrovert and an excelllent captain, but look at guru greg, he was an extrovert too but failed miserably. ford on the other hand is an introvert and remember john wright was an introvert too but he got the best out of the boys.anyway read the article on ford if u want to know who he is.

MohammedC
June 8, 2007, 02:09 PM
Although I voted for Graham Ford, come to think of it John Emburey being a spinner will know the Indian game bit better than Ford

syzygy
June 8, 2007, 02:16 PM
Although I voted for Graham Ford, come to think of it John Emburey being a spinner will know the Indian game bit better than Ford

thats a good point mo! but remember india is not totally depending on spin these days and anyway they will have a separate bowling coach. and also u might be a great spinner but not necessarily u will be a great (spin bowling) coach.i read they are just sending piyush chawla to australian academy for a month to get more training, who knows the great warne might give him some tips!

Shafin
June 8, 2007, 02:55 PM
neither
the one that serves BD better :D

MohammedC
June 8, 2007, 02:58 PM
thats a good point mo! but remember india is not totally depending on spin these days and anyway they will have a separate bowling coach. and also u might be a great spinner but not necessarily u will be a great (spin bowling) coach.i read they are just sending piyush chawla to australian academy for a month to get more training, who knows the great warne might give him some tips!

I agree with you, India are trying to get in to more pace bowler. But it is their spinners who has always been on top. The indian spinners have taken more wicket than the indian pacers in recent years.

MohammedC
June 8, 2007, 03:00 PM
the one that serves BD better :D


The one who is more keen to host BD. ASAP

syzygy
June 8, 2007, 03:20 PM
The one who is more keen to host BD. ASAP

lol..i think bd would be hosted very soon and that could be as early as sometime in 2008

damalChele
June 8, 2007, 05:23 PM
the one that serves BD better :D

I'll drink to that :D

MohammedC
June 8, 2007, 05:27 PM
lol..i think bd would be hosted very soon and that could be as early as sometime in 2008

Once BD sets their foot in India only then I will belive BCCI. I must not say more.

Nafi
June 8, 2007, 05:32 PM
I dont think either will do incredibly well in coaching India, both would probably do either an average or slightly above-average job due to pressure, I dont think either are strong willed.

Just my two cents.

damalChele
June 8, 2007, 05:39 PM
the one that serves BD better :D

I dont think either will do incredibly well in coaching India, both would probably do either an average or slightly above-average job due to pressure, I dont think either are strong willed.

Just my two cents.

you could have just said neither :lol:

Nafi
June 8, 2007, 05:48 PM
you could have just said neither :lol:

I find that very offensive, Mod please edit this post.



Joking :lol: Im just mirroring the soft-bellied wussy members of this site.

BangladeshFan
June 8, 2007, 07:07 PM
to help you with your knowledge of Ford, here is the latest article on cricinfo.

Graham Ford v John Emburey is hardly a contest (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/297321.html)

i dont buy ur argument of being an extrovert always helps.of course dada was an extrovert and an excelllent captain, but look at guru greg, he was an extrovert too but failed miserably. ford on the other hand is an introvert and remember john wright was an introvert too but he got the best out of the boys.anyway read the article on ford if u want to know who he is.

u didnt read my post well. i said, india needs an extrovert/aggressive captain more than anything else. the coach hardly matters unless ofcourse he is wasim/waqar and teaches you reverse swing. ford doesnt seem to have much as a player and "i dont buy into" that he transformed SA.

i feel it is true for Bd as well, whatmore hardly matters....... the few important wins Bd got is because of a few talented players. skipper ofcourse does matter, and in BD case it mattered in a negative way in the recent past and WC.

akabir77
June 8, 2007, 08:05 PM
who cares.. hope they chose the wrong one ;)

Ganguly da
June 8, 2007, 08:38 PM
seriously NEITHER....there are tons of other ex players IN INDIA...better than these two.... i don't know how the heck BCCI got these recommendations.... It's time India needs to have an Indian coach..... everyone is jumping up and down to get the indian coach position pretty much for the salary.... But India needs a true blood indian coach who can understand the players closely and the players would be able to interact with him at a much personal level....

oracle
June 8, 2007, 08:44 PM
I have been reading a lot about this issue and trying to sense the Indian pulse. I think that there are some opinion splits about fundamental issue of hiring foreigner vs local ex guy. For this round, a foreigner will be chosen because the team is in rebuildig process. But the day is near when coaching sources will be entirely Indian.

gatekeeper
June 8, 2007, 09:36 PM
Ford. Embury's coaching record is almost noexistant.

syzygy
June 9, 2007, 12:35 PM
alright it is confirmed news now that as expected Graham Ford is the new India coach.

congrats to him and best of luck for the future.

Shafin
June 9, 2007, 12:36 PM
Ford wins

http://ind.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/297408.html

Hope he makes india better,and make them lose to us :D

syzygy
June 9, 2007, 01:00 PM
Ford wins

http://ind.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/297408.html

Hope he makes india better,and make them lose to us :D

if ind becomes better, how come they lose to bd ;) ?

yes of course if bd rate's of increase is >>>>> india's rate of increase..but ?

Rabz
June 11, 2007, 12:52 AM
Where is the "I dont care" option.
Biased poll i say.

It doesnt matter to me who becomes indian coach.

Tigers_eye
June 11, 2007, 09:40 AM
I dont think either will do incredibly well in coaching India, both would probably do either an average or slightly above-average job due to pressure, I dont think either are strong willed.

Just my two cents.
In that case toss a coin. I like them both (for India). :)