View Full Version : sad decline of legendary Windies

June 19, 2007, 03:49 PM
source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tms/2007/06/sad_decline_of_legendary_windi.shtml

a bbc blog by Jonathan Agnew

West Indies duly confirmed their lowly status - only marginally better than Bangladesh and Zimbabwe - by collapsing feebly at the Riverside to lose the series 3-0.

June 19, 2007, 04:22 PM
When each island run their cricket independantly what more do you expect. This was bound to happen against the organized countries. Even BD infra stucture is getting better. I am not sure about the standard but in five years certainly we will be ahead by miles.

June 19, 2007, 05:08 PM
Last time they toured England in 2004 they lost 4-0...

June 19, 2007, 09:59 PM

When are we touring WI?

One World
June 19, 2007, 10:44 PM
Until there is a serious change of attitude, and players are chosen that are capable of representing their team with pride and character, there seems to be no end to the misery currently endured by the fans of the West Indies.

I'm your dream, make you real
I'm your eyes when you must steal
I'm your pain when you can't feel
sad but true

June 20, 2007, 12:48 PM

When are we touring WI?

Its their turn to tour us after our visit in 2004. That should be a very interesting series whenever it happens. I would like BCB to arrange a 3 test 4 ODI series if possible. Anyone have any idea when they are due ? FTP says anything?

June 21, 2007, 03:19 AM
Cricket is more of a mental game. One has to plan dynamically and effectively. Even the current WI team has lot of talented players. But they have no brain.

June 21, 2007, 04:31 AM
I just don't understand one thing. Windies players play well, but yet they lose.

June 21, 2007, 05:22 PM
i am a frustrated windies supporter. my heart has been bleeding for long time now. the glory days are long gone.

June 22, 2007, 10:53 AM
west indies, the infastructure is poor. and what will happen to them afta chanderpaul and sarwan retire?

June 22, 2007, 01:34 PM
just spent €75 on this t-shirt


can't live with them, can't live without them

June 24, 2007, 01:06 PM
West Indies humiliated by Derbyshire (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvwi/engine/current/match/275783.html)

but i still love this team. hurts me so badly after every defeat but still can't let go. thought after lara gone and this is it for me. but it wasn't lara that dragged me down. it was west indies.

One World
June 24, 2007, 01:58 PM
The team morale is completely vibrant.

June 24, 2007, 03:03 PM
west indies is coming to ireland and going to watch all the matches with broken heart. bought the jeresey too. wish lara was here. i was so close to watch him batting.

June 24, 2007, 03:05 PM
i am a frustrated windies supporter. my heart has been bleeding for long time now. the glory days are long gone.

They had some great wins in the last years like the world record chase on Australia in 2003 or the brilliant odi series victory on India 4-1 last year... but fail to deliver most of the time though still having some good talents in their squad.

June 24, 2007, 03:11 PM
i want to see them rise from the ashes. its all about bangladesh now. but i will always be wishing well for windies and support them for better or worse

June 24, 2007, 08:51 PM

speaks for itself really

June 24, 2007, 08:54 PM
Scratch that found it in another thread

June 24, 2007, 09:02 PM
That is so disappointing. WI is even starting to make us look good.

One World
June 24, 2007, 09:09 PM
It shows how incapable is Chris Gayle. Also surprised to find that Sammy is not really an ODI bowler.

June 24, 2007, 09:34 PM
Now that is something...I read through the whole thing several times before I really beleived it!

June 24, 2007, 09:43 PM
Yay just got my 3rd year bichem results back B+.. pretty good for someone who didnt go to class because he sleeps in

June 24, 2007, 09:58 PM
I am shocked ........what happened to the old West Indies team??

One World
June 24, 2007, 10:29 PM
they got old definitely.

June 24, 2007, 10:31 PM
Threads merged.


June 25, 2007, 01:28 AM
The more I think about it, the more it becomes clear that the WI regional cricket team model will not work going forward - there's just too much factionalism, provincialism and petty politics which are affecting the cricketing infrastructure. You can't just keep hoping that you'll find a diamond in the rough who will rise up a la Richards, Marshall, Lara, etc. Those days when sheer talent could overcome everything is long past now - the benchmark for competence today is so much higher.

One World
June 25, 2007, 03:54 AM
well there is also the basketball effect.

June 25, 2007, 04:31 AM
for the love of the game..........

June 25, 2007, 05:26 AM
Some years ago the BBC would advertise their test coverage when West Indians visited with a song that had the words, '...The West Indian batsmen would bat all day..'. Like the song, that team is only alive in Wisden cricket almanac.
There is only one quality batsman in this West Indian team, Chanderpaul. Chris Gayle is not someone the team can rely on. He seems to be much better at relaxing in the slip picking his nose and posing for the camera. The present West Indian team seem to have a lot of these so called posers. Since there has been very little talent coming through the ranks, the strength and depth of this side is not what it used to be. The truth is that West Indies is really in the second tier of test cricket league at present. They would beat the likes of Bangladesh and Mugabelanders with regularity, struggle against the likes of NewZealand, Srilanka, Pakistan, India and England, and get comprehensively beaten by Australia. However, the present Australian team would beat most sides comprehensively on their day.
Why is there such a decline in West Indian cricket? Much has been made of the American cultural influence and this stylisation, posing and contental drift in black West Indian culture. Part of that might be true but I think the main problem, one that has not been mentioned by any commentators as yet is the lack of polarisation in West Indian society. Post-colonial pride has over time waned and led to a sense of post-colonial ambivalence. There is little to shout or scream about and that angst that once fed Richards, Lloyd and Sobers as a result of centuries of subjugation of the black people, and what was fuelled by the fate of emerging second generation of West Indians in London within the context of racist backlash they faced, lacks any manifestation anymore. The society has changed and in the global village we are all responsible for our own actions to such an extent that we are given the opportunities to go and make our future. This has lead to the lack of visionary and charismatic leadership within the West Indian communities. The politics is done within the framework of political structures rather that the cannibas fuelled reggae tunes of Marley or the explosive destructiveness of I V A Richards. To put it simply, there is nothing to prove, nothing to fight against, nothing to strive for, for the young black men of Kingston Jamaica. All the gods are dead and there are no new constructions of metaphorical golds required within the scope of their cultural experience. The effects of this are poor, dispassionate performance from the cricketers, the pop sensations of Shabba Ranks or Shaggy feeling much more passionate about 'freaking with the girl next door' or declaring oneself 'Mr. Loverman' rather than creating cultural architects who would transcend the barrier of racism and poverty to create internationally recognised ambassadors through cultural and sporting pursuits, and eventually fighting the problems that still plague the islanders.
This is why the West Indian sides of late have not performed so well.

June 25, 2007, 05:49 AM
well said bro

June 26, 2007, 12:59 PM
P Warner,
All of a sudden I was listening to "Shaba" in the background while reading your post. Nice one. But I can not agree with nothing to fight for notion. Everyone plays for the team and also plays for themselves. I would blame the lack of structural institution they have between so many states. How would Cook, Freddie perform for EU I wonder. They will get "caught red handed" just like shaggy. They will not complain "no cricket (woman), no cry" cause they would get nicely reimbursed. And when the ECB then EU-CB would come down hard on them, the players would chorus "I shot the sheriff".

June 26, 2007, 02:44 PM
this is the score card that i would like to see more often

Scorecard>> (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvwi/engine/current/match/275784.html)

June 26, 2007, 02:48 PM
hopefully they will show some guts in the upcoming one dayers

June 26, 2007, 05:11 PM
this is the score card that i would like to see more often

Scorecard>> (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvwi/engine/current/match/275784.html)

What a fightback after that humiliation! Wow:o !
I can tell you one thing, the team which got vanquished today wasn't at all a novice side, so credits must be given to Windies.

June 26, 2007, 05:51 PM
you guys can understand my feelings. my favorite team windies and our bangladesh cricket team.

July 2, 2007, 05:16 PM
Ex-West Indies paceman Michael Holding has hit out at the region's cricket board for their failure to produce top quality cricketers in recent years.

Their recent 3-0 Test defeat to England is the latest in a line of failures and they are now ranked eight in the world.

"It's time someone woke up and realised what is needed," Holding said.

"I don't think that the West Indies Cricket Board have tried to put anything in place to make sure the infrastructure for the kids is there."

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/other_international/west_indies/6260342.stm