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Zobair
June 28, 2007, 12:16 AM
My wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
M. Raheem (Rest Bashar)
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Rest Shakib)
K Mashud
M Mortaza
S Hossain
S Rasel (Razzak out)
M Rafique

sadi
June 28, 2007, 12:21 AM
Mushfiq comes in for Pilot. Not sure about Sakib. He should get another test but his technique is not upto the mark.

Miraz
June 28, 2007, 12:23 AM
y wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
H Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Drop Shakib)
Mushfiqur Rahim (Drop Pilot)
M Mortaza
S Hossain
Abdur Razzak
M Rafique

I preferred the word Drop over Rest.

These two changes will significantly increase our batting strength.

Zobair
June 28, 2007, 12:27 AM
Guys bear in mind the next match is in P'sara...i.e. more pace and bounce. Do we need 2 specialist spinners?

Sumon77
June 28, 2007, 12:27 AM
Mine...

Javed Omar
S Nafess
Rajin
Bashar
Ashraful
Sakib
Mushfiq (drop Pilot)
Mashrafee
Rafiq
Shahadat
Razzak

wanna give another chance to Shakib... too early to kick out.

Ahmed_B
June 28, 2007, 12:32 AM
I would give Saqib more chances... but I DO NOT want Pilot in the team anymore. He has lost all his commitments towards the team and also his confidence.

sadi
June 28, 2007, 12:33 AM
Mushfiq please. PLEASE.

Miraz
June 28, 2007, 12:34 AM
Guys bear in mind the next match is in P'sara...i.e. more pace and bounce. Do we need 2 specialist spinners?

That's how we play cricket. Team management will play 2 spinners even in Waca ground of Perth.

Zobair
June 28, 2007, 12:35 AM
My only concern is test wicket-keeping may be too much of a burden for young Rahim. Perhaps he needs a few games to concentrate and do justice to his batting potential and then take over both roles from Pilot.

I would give Saqib more chances... but I DO NOT want Pilot in the team anymore. He has lost all his commitments towards the team and also his confidence.

Zobair
June 28, 2007, 12:41 AM
Shakib looks like he needs to get his shot selection in order...specifically the art of letting certain balls go. I definitely see a role for him in the longer term in the test team but, as of now, I am afraid selecting him before he has sorted his approach to Test cricket out may do some long term damage to his confidence.

I would give Saqib more chances... but I DO NOT want Pilot in the team anymore. He has lost all his commitments towards the team and also his confidence.

Fazal
June 28, 2007, 12:46 AM
My wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Bashar out)
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Sakib
M. Rahim (K Mashud out)
M Mortaza
S Hossain
Sherif/S Rasel (Razzak out) Ideally I would include another batsman like Tushar or Aftab. But they are not in the team
M Rafique

cricket_king
June 28, 2007, 12:48 AM
Mehrab hossain jnr? C'mon people. This guy will stay in 200 balls and score about 20. That doesnt help us in anyways except he might eat some deliveries up, which can affect us greatly when going for a win, batting in our second innings.

BD-Shardul
June 28, 2007, 12:49 AM
No Shakib. He is just an ODI specialist.

My line up will be

Javed Omar Belim
SN Ahmed
Rajin Saleh
Mehrab Hossain Jr
Mohammad Ashraful
Mushfiqur Rahman
Mashrafe Mortaza
Mohammad Rafiq
Mohammad Sharif
Sayed Rasel
Shahadat Hossain

No HB. No more SLA. I am tired of our SLA. Get smashed most of the time (against SL).

mafizraju
June 28, 2007, 12:49 AM
I say rest sakib and take in Mehrab. Rahim seemed to me that he is unable to pick murali at all (based on what I have seen in the WC). rest Razzak and pick up Sharif.

PoorFan
June 28, 2007, 12:49 AM
My wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
Aftab ( Drop Bashar )
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Sakib ( let him play few more innings )
M. Rahim ( Drop K Mashud for ever )
M Mortaza
S Hossain
S Rasel / Razzak ( dont mind who plays )
M Rafique

BD-Shardul
June 28, 2007, 12:50 AM
Mehrab hossain jnr? C'mon people. This guy will stay in 200 balls and score about 20. That doesnt help us in anyways except he might eat some deliveries up, which can affect us greatly when going for a win, batting in our second innings.

That helps. Didn't you see JO or Rajin's innings?

iqu15
June 28, 2007, 12:50 AM
It's sad that we lost rest of our 5 wickets within 30 minutes today.

Basic problem is the experience of longer version cricket. I know Javed, Shariar, Rajin, Ash they played well in the 2nd innings. I think they are capable of doing better than that especially Shariar, Rajin and Ash.

If you look at the current squad, you will find that they played hardly any first class matches for last 14-15 months. They played the recent BD-India test series, probably 13 months gap of last test series. Most of the players of this squqd participated 2/3 matches in the last domestic league.

Test match and one day cricket is completely different and you need the best of you while playing a test match. Just playing one day cricket well and without playing any first class game, you will not be able to do well. The evidence is Shakib. No doubt Sakib has done extremely well in the recent one day games. But if you look at his 1st class career, he is well experienced. I have seen Shakib in BD-India Test series, he was reluctant in his approac.What I am trying to focus, he is not prepare to play test cricket. I would use same words for Tamim. I have no doubt Tamim can play really well, just need some preparation/ experience of longer version cricket.

I am also against Pilot for the selection ahead of Mushfiq. From my point of view, Mushfiq is a well composed batsman other than Ash of the current squad. He had played several innings in the last domestic league as well. Pilot didnot play enough matches in the last season though he had the opportunity rather he was showing his anger not being selected for the world cup with so many excuses.Mushfiq should have given the chance, in fact it's not a chance, he deserves it.

That's why I support to include players in the test team who played well in the last domestic league. Players like Alok, Tushar, Ehsanul Haque (most consistent player last 2 seasons) should get the chance. They should replace the off form players as well

mafizraju
June 28, 2007, 12:50 AM
Mehrab hossain jnr? C'mon people. This guy will stay in 200 balls and score about 20. That doesnt help us in anyways except he might eat some deliveries up, which can affect us greatly when going for a win, batting in our second innings.


You are in a LALA LAND and back to the realities, we are playing test not 50 over ODIs

mafizraju
June 28, 2007, 12:51 AM
My wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
Aftab ( Drop Bashar )
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Sakib ( let him play few more innings )
M. Rahim ( Drop K Mashud for ever )
M Mortaza
S Hossain
S Rasel / Razzak ( dont mind who plays )
M Rafique


AFTAB is not even in test squad !!!!

cricket_king
June 28, 2007, 12:54 AM
That helps. Didn't you see JO or Rajin's innings?

They went on to score fifties and against tough opposition. By following some of his last innings, I'm sure that this guy will be of no help. He comes in and scores around 20-30 in about 150-200 balls, and then blows it all away against academy sides. No point in putting him in.
Same goes to that mafizraju guy.

yaseer
June 28, 2007, 12:55 AM
I will go with the same team......yes, still go with pailot and HB.....one change can be made.....if the pitch has no extra assistance to the spinners.....then Sharif inplace of Razzak

PoorFan
June 28, 2007, 12:57 AM
AFTAB is not even in test squad !!!!
I know, just need to call him.

ammark
June 28, 2007, 01:05 AM
Strictly as myself:

Hanging onto has beens like JO, Bashar and Pilot (and Rafique's also approaching his sell-by date) is a temporary/ short sighted solution. We NEED to give guys like Aftab, Tamim, Mehrab Jr, Razzak+Enam Combo, Riyad the Test spot. They can only learn and better prepare themselves for the future.

If you want to stick to temporary measures like playing JO, Bashar and Pilot, then for crying out loud, relegate Aftab, Tamim and Mushi so that they PLAY in the NCL and Domestic tourneys. It doesnt help that they're sitting idle. (In)Conveniently it isnt cricket season now though!

Sumon77
June 28, 2007, 01:06 AM
I know, just need to call him.
I dont think you can call any player in a away series unless some injured player to be replaced.

salin
June 28, 2007, 01:38 AM
y wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
H Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Drop Shakib)
Mushfiqur Rahim (Drop Pilot)
M Mortaza
S Hossain
Abdur Razzak
M Rafique

I preferred the word Drop over Rest.

These two changes will significantly increase our batting strength.

100% Agree

PoorFan
June 28, 2007, 02:02 AM
I dont think you can call any player in a away series unless some injured player to be replaced.
I see, May be you are right.

Shaan
June 28, 2007, 02:04 AM
y wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
H Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Drop Shakib)
Mushfiqur Rahim (Drop Pilot)
M Mortaza
S Hossain
Abdur Razzak
M Rafique

I preferred the word Drop over Rest.

These two changes will significantly increase our batting strength.

Same thinking with Miraz bai :waiting:

Sakib's tecnique is really poor, its been exposed through India test and current test.

If possible include Tushar and Alok in the team.

Mahir
June 28, 2007, 02:06 AM
Javed and Mashud makes way for a couple of changes in my world :

Mehrab jnr
Nafees
Mushfiq
Bashar
Ashraful
Rajin
Sakib
Mashrafee
Rafique
Razzak
Shahadat

And why exactly Sakib gets the axe in some selections, while keeping the tried-n-tested Bashar, Javed in there ? Such 'safe' mindset wont take us anywhere. Lets move forward and bring in Mehrab n Mushy alright, but not at the expense of a youngster who's barely had a chance to perform. Drop an opener for an opener atleast, not a middle-order batsman.

Orpheus
June 28, 2007, 02:13 AM
Rahim for Pilot
Rasel for Razzak.

Rest should be unchanged I think.

jahidus200
June 28, 2007, 02:14 AM
if bangladesh selectors bring musfiq in to the second test thats will be great for our team. whenever in khaled masud in our team after 5 wickets then we just add 20 runs and then all out. now we must should bring back to musfiq he can give us more confident .and i hope if bangladesh bring musfiq they must will do better performence than first test.

roaring tigerz
June 28, 2007, 02:15 AM
Everyone or almost every sane bangladesh fan seem to be calling for Pilot's head. Mushfiq should have been in the team as a keeper in the first test itself. His inclusion would give a much needed boost to our fragile lower order batting. Now lets hope the selectors figure out what the rest of us have known for a while now. Mushfiq is ready for test cricket.

I would also like to see another seamer in place of Razzak. For my money, Enam is a more skilfull and aggressive bowler than Razzak. So his ommission after one poor showing against India is a bit of a shocker to me. Saying that,Razzak fared no worse than all his other compatriots in this test. It was his ill-luck to run into an absolute flat deck and a supremely confident Srilankan batting line up. But the sameness of our attack was again exposed in this game. Rasel with his vaas like nagging bowling might prove a better option.

Orpheus
June 28, 2007, 02:18 AM
Javed and Mashud makes way for a couple of changes in my world :



Mahir, how can you think of excluding Javed after he top scored in first test? Let's hate with logic...

max410
June 28, 2007, 02:20 AM
My wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
M. Raheem (Rest Bashar)
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Rest Shakib)
K Mashud
M Mortaza
S Hossain
S Rasel (Razzak out)
M Rafique


I like your wish list However Rasel is not very effective in test cricket. Only in one day cricket he is quite effective.
I would rather get rid of khaled masud and use Mushfiqur rahman in the team as keeper and also include sakib .
How about this

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
M. Raheem
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr
Saqibul Hassan
M Mortaza
S Hossain
S Rasel
M Rafique:flag:

israr
June 28, 2007, 04:01 AM
Mushfiq instead of KM, Rasel instead of Razzaq(considering the pitch will assist the seam bowlers).

Antora
June 28, 2007, 04:19 AM
I dont think you can call any player in a away series unless some injured player to be replaced.

isn't JOB injured? or is he ok now?

any way for the next test i would like to say.... STRICTLY NO PILOT!!!!!:@

PoorFan
June 28, 2007, 04:40 AM
My comment from other thread for few replacement in next test.

Now its acid test for Ash, can he convince Akram to dump Pilot and bring Mushi in, and Aftab or Tamim to replace 'injured' Javed. This injure issue may open up Bashars replacement ( Aftab ) too, thinking Mehrab can open in that case.

I think Ash as a captain should raise his voice to replace Pilot for next test ... which will auto lead to an end of Pilot era.

Foozy
June 28, 2007, 05:07 AM
this was a quote from 'salin':

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miraz
y wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
H Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Drop Shakib)
Mushfiqur Rahim (Drop Pilot)
M Mortaza
S Hossain
Abdur Razzak
M Rafique

I preferred the word Drop over Rest.

These two changes will significantly increase our batting strength.
100% Agree

_____________________
well id like the same team... it seems perfect except razzak should be dropped and rasel added for the bouncy pitches... hell perform better...
(sharif in my opinion is not even an option... he just gets mertilized... hes not up to the standard...)
id say that in future if they want another spinner.. take enamul haq... not razzak... hes an odi type bowler.... who can supress run... and in that pressure take wickets as batsmen will try to hit... but in test the batsmen will just block off his overs... hes not penetrative enough...
as for sakib... well i know hes played only a few matches and its not good to judge him yet... but really guys... this is not practice ground.. this is where u perform... so basically he should be playing some first class matches and get himself used to it b4 coming into international test...
bashar is getting old and stuff.. but he is not totally out of form.. the way i see it hes scored a decent run in the practice match... and he deserves another chance... the guy gets more nervous in the game as all bd ppl are watchin and he is in bad form.. that thought makes it worse for him... donno wat u guys think on this... but ya..
so thats that... final selection:


Javed Omar
S. Nafees
H Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Drop Shakib)
Mushfiqur Rahim (Drop Pilot)
M Mortaza
S Hossain
Rassel
M Rafique

istiak
June 28, 2007, 05:20 AM
Mehrab hossain jnr? C'mon people. This guy will stay in 200 balls and score about 20. That doesnt help us in anyways except he might eat some deliveries up, which can affect us greatly when going for a win, batting in our second innings.

Going for a win in test matched against SL?

Anher
June 28, 2007, 05:20 AM
Somehow most of you think dropping few players will make the difference. Was there any different? I guess after playing 1 good innings rest are same. I would prefer selecting the right team at first time ( I would have kept Musfiq instead of pilot in first test- *pilot's days are over )and changing the batting lineup depending on our batsman strength of playing opposition bowlers. Following is my batting line up...

Javed Omar
Rajin Saleh
Habibul Bashar
Shariar nafeez (play well against murali)
Mohammad Ashraful
Saqibul Hassan
Musfiq Rahim
Masrafee
Rafique
Shahadat
Rasel

istiak
June 28, 2007, 05:22 AM
How bad is JO's injury? Any one got correct info?

zahid
June 28, 2007, 06:47 AM
Mehrab hossain jnr? C'mon people. This guy will stay in 200 balls and score about 20. That doesnt help us in anyways except he might eat some deliveries up, which can affect us greatly when going for a win, batting in our second innings.

Draw kortey pari na abar WIN ! :lol:

Agey draw kora shikhok.

zahid
June 28, 2007, 06:55 AM
This is what should be and MUST be

1 Javed Omar
2 Mehrab Hossain Jnr.
3 Tamim Iqbal
4 Rajin Saleh
5 Mohammad Ashraful
6 Aftab Ahmed / Tushar Imran
7 Musfiq Rahim
8 Mashrafe
9 Rafique
10 Shahadat
11 Syed Rasel / Sharif

Very strong batting. Strong Bowling dept. as well.

:flag:


DO YOU HEAR ME BCB ?

Rubu
June 28, 2007, 07:25 AM
I'd give Bashar just another chance. Just to prove himself that captaincy was a obstacle for him and he can do better without it. If he fails to prove that point, I'll let him go for the 3rd. But for now, get Pilot out for Mushfiq. You have to keep in mind here, in terms of wicket keeping ability pilot is probably 20% better than mushy, but mushy is 150% better in batting than pilot. we need that extra batsman.

And yeah, I think getting rasel instead of Razzak is a good idea.

SS
June 28, 2007, 07:41 AM
for 2nd test we need one good batsmen(whether we have) who can perform. Not sure why Tushar or top most run getter in premium league was not chosen. Even if Bashar plays, I doubt he can score big because he is in bad patch. Sakib needs experience, but no point of taking another SLA when the next pitch will have more bounce and pace friendly. So if the selectors 'think' and depending on the pitch and circumstances, we might need a third seamer. Not sure who will be picked from Rasel or Sahrif. O I totally forgot Mushy should be in, though I doubt that will happen for selectors. Even Mushy does not perform, he needs t o get exposure to test cricket which will be beneficial for our future.

mali007
June 28, 2007, 07:46 AM
We badly need experienced middle order batsman like Tushar . But our hands are tied due to STUPID SELECTORS !!! Mushfique will replace Pilot. I will give Sakib another chance.
Drop Bashar with Mehrab jr. SL is very strong against the LA spinners-----drop one spinner and add a 3rd seamers. I will prefer Sharif in place of Razzak . Rasel is more suitable for ODI's. So, my line up for the 2nd test as follows:

1. Javed
2. S. Nafees
3. Rajin
4.Ashraful
5. Mehrab
6. Sakib
7. Mushfique
8. Mashrafee
9. Rafique
10. Sharif
11. Shahadat

Mahmood
June 28, 2007, 07:53 AM
y wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
H Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Drop Shakib)
Mushfiqur Rahim (Drop Pilot)
M Mortaza
S Hossain
Abdur Razzak
M Rafique

I preferred the word Drop over Rest.

These two changes will significantly increase our batting strength.

Right on.

Imtiazk
June 28, 2007, 07:53 AM
When Aftab was not selected , surprisingly, the majority opinion actually supported this extraordinary decision. The reason put forward was he was not made for tests. It begs the question, who is ?

I am not talking about quality or ability here but about attitude. Apart from Javed Omar, Rajin Saleh and Khaled Mashud , I question any other batsmen's attitude in test matches. Please do not go on about experience. Our players are sufficiently experienced. People clamour for Mushfiq coming in at Mashud's expense. I support Mushfiq coming in but purely as a batsman. I do not think he is even the second best wicket-keeper. Mashud should stay as the wicket-keeper for the time being.

How do you ever begin to explain away Ashraful's reverse sweeps and then the attempted hoik over long on [ when a long on was actually posted ]. In the first innings he falls [ not for the first time ] to a hook when two fieldsmen had been placed precisely for that shot. I am sorry but basic intelligence has to be questioned. Is it that vertically challenged batsmen need to hit sixes to prove that they are real men ? I cannot understand what goes on in his mind. Why would I want to reverse sweep, not once but twice. Let's say it would have brought a four. At what risk ? Where is the runs versus risk ratio ? You don't need education for that. It should be plain common sense.

I am thoroughly disheartened. There appears to be no remedy, no penalties. Exaggerated praise for infrequent successes.

amra_korbo_joy
June 28, 2007, 07:55 AM
My wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
M. Raheem (Rest Bashar)
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Rest Shakib)
K Mashud
M Mortaza
S Hossain
S Rasel (Razzak out)
M Rafique

Exactly the above team, I also wanted for the 2nd test

Ehsan
June 28, 2007, 08:02 AM
I don't know why people are already dropping Shakib. I would still play him for one more test before including Mehrab.

The two changes I will make are: bring Mushfique in the team replacing Masud and bring Rassel in for Razzak. Too many spinners will make our attack one dimensional and further as I said before spinners are never your attacking option, we need another pacer. I wish we had another genuine pacer. I would have really preferred Tapash, he is a proven wicket taker even if he is expensive and that is what we need in Test - gotta take wickets. Moreover, Tapash carried our pace attack alone when Masri was injured and Shahadat was not in sight. A pace attack of Mashrafe, Shahadat and Tapash would be awesome!

SS
June 28, 2007, 08:09 AM
I don't think we need to have another SLA in the team, if Sakib or Mehrab Jr. plays no need for Raz/Rafique, the things is SL batsmen will score no matter whom we bring. But our imperative task is to have a strong batting line up. SL will score 500-600 no matter whom we chose for bowlers as our bowling dept is not capable of taking all the 20 wkts. Actually, I have lost faith on all depts.

SS
June 28, 2007, 08:11 AM
I don't know why people are already dropping Shakib. I would still play him for one more test before including Mehrab.

I would have really preferred Tapash, he is a proven wicket taker even if he is expensive and that is what we need in Test - gotta take wickets. Moreover, Tapash carried our pace attack alone when Masri was injured and Shahadat was not in sight. A pace attack of Mashrafe, Shahadat and Tapash would be awesome!

Agree though expensive Tapash used to take wickets somehow!! We need wickets when batsmen are set. Also why not try something different instead of all spin attack, that worked in WC but this not not WC, this is test.

Ehsan
June 28, 2007, 08:16 AM
Also why not try something different instead of all spin attack, that worked in WC but this not not WC, this is test.

Spinners are usually effective in ODI than in Test unless you have a champion spinner like Murali. That's why too many spinners are never a good option in Test as they don't attack unlike pacers, you can handle spinners just by playing them down and rotating strike. Moreover, we have Ashraful, Rajin and even Bashar who can cheap in with their spin. So, I do not really see the point of putting 3 SLAs in Test Squad.

SS
June 28, 2007, 08:19 AM
Spinners are usually effective in ODI than in Test unless you have a champion spinner like Murali. That's why too many spinners are never a good option in Test as they don't attack unlike pacers, you can handle spinners just by playing them down and rotating strike. Moreover, we have Ashraful, Rajin and even Bashar who can cheap in with their spin. So, I do not really see the point of putting 3 SLAs in Test Squad.
It seems selectors forgot the basics of cricket/selection that we know, even though we are not professinal cricketers.

WarWolf
June 28, 2007, 08:20 AM
Agree though expensive Tapash used to take wickets somehow!! We need wickets when batsmen are set. Also why not try something different instead of all spin attack, that worked in WC but this not not WC, this is test.
Tapash along with Mashrafee and Rajib will be a good pace attack. Tapash is expensive but yet he is a good wicket taking bowling. Is there any way to include him in the test squad now? I am afraid there is no way.

Baundule
June 28, 2007, 09:11 AM
My wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
M. Raheem (Rest Bashar)
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Rest Shakib)
K Mashud
M Mortaza
S Hossain
S Rasel (Razzak out)
M Rafique

You get my vote!

Baundule
June 28, 2007, 09:14 AM
Most of the time, I have seen Tapash taking wicket off bad deliveries. Too much outside the off and the batsman is going for a loppa cut just to edge it to the keeper. His bowling is not test standard for sure.

SS
June 28, 2007, 09:34 AM
Most of the time, I have seen Tapash taking wicket off bad deliveries. Too much outside the off and the batsman is going for a loppa cut just to edge it to the keeper. His bowling is not test standard for sure.
Agree he was erratic as I mentioned it earlier, but how many of them we have as test standard out there. Recently we started to work on pacers, but all these years we had no game planning/infrastructure/pitch condition for the pacers or took no appropriate consistent attempts to nurture them. All we did organize pace events, send pacers for two weeks for training, but after that no further training occured to keep those pacers 'alive'.

WarWolf
June 28, 2007, 09:34 AM
Most of the time, I have seen Tapash taking wicket off bad deliveries. Too much outside the off and the batsman is going for a loppa cut just to edge it to the keeper. His bowling is not test standard for sure.
Yet he managed to take 36 wickets of his 21 matches. Which is not bad. I thought he is too much expensive. I got surprised when i found his career economy rate is 3.79 which is not bad in test.

Tigers_eye
June 28, 2007, 09:46 AM
y wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
H Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Drop Shakib)
Mushfiqur Rahim (Drop Pilot)
M Mortaza
S Hossain
Abdur Razzak
M Rafique

I preferred the word Drop over Rest.

These two changes will significantly increase our batting strength.
Miraz bhai,
May i ask why in your lineup HB is there and Sakib is not? It can't be performance for sure. Is it because HB is bowling now? The games that matter what did HB do (within the last few months, any form of game)?

For me the line up is the following:

JO (bat)
SN (bat)
Rajin (bat)
Ash (bat)
Sakib (bowl and bat)
Mehrab Jr. (bowl and bat)
Mushfiq (WK)
Mash (Bowl)
Rafique (Bowl)
Shahadat (Bowl)
Rasel (Bowl)

At current form Sakib is 10 times better than HB in Bowling, batting and fielding.

sharifk
June 28, 2007, 09:58 AM
Miraz bhai,
May i ask why in your lineup HB is there and Sakib is not? It can't be performance for sure. Is it because HB is bowling now? The games that matter what did HB do (within the last few months, any form of game)?

For me the line up is the following:

JO (bat)
SN (bat)
Rajin (bat)
Ash (bat)
Sakib (bowl and bat)
Mehrab Jr. (bowl and bat)
Mushfiq (WK)
Mash (Bowl)
Rafique (Bowl)
Shahadat (Bowl)
Rasel (Bowl)

At current form Sakib is 10 times better than HB in Bowling, batting and fielding.

I agree with you Tigers_eye that we shouldn't drop Sakib just after 3 Tests. He is an excellent talented player. If his ODI average is so high, I am sure he is capable of big runs. I believe that his role (not the #) hasn't been fixed in the team. And he is trying too hard to cope up with the negative or go for a draw type of mentality. Altering the natural playing style can't be good for skilled player like Sakib. Given the players available for Sri Lanka series, I would go with this team:

1. JO
2. SN
3. Rajin
4. Sakib
5. Ash.
6. Mehrab Jr.
7. Mushy
8. Md. Sharif (he was bowling well in the practice match)
9. Mash
10. Shahadat
11. Rafique

We don't need Razzak because we have already too many spinners in the team.

Miraz
June 28, 2007, 09:59 AM
Miraz bhai,
May i ask why in your lineup HB is there and Sakib is not? It can't be performance for sure. Is it because HB is bowling now? The games that matter what did HB do (within the last few months, any form of game)?

At current form Sakib is 10 times better than HB in Bowling, batting and fielding.

I am not against Shakib but the kid is not yet ready for Test, he has to work with his technique.

Sakib scored a clueless 16 in the first innings and 8 in the second innings. If that's 10 times better than Bashar, I have nothing to say.

Bashar scored only 17 in the second innings but he looked much more comfortable compared to his last few innings. He is only Test batsman having 30+ average in our team, he will play for the remaining part of the series and only then selectors should think about his future.

Imtiazk
June 28, 2007, 10:00 AM
When Aftab was not selected , surprisingly, the majority opinion actually supported this extraordinary decision. The reason put forward was he was not made for tests. It begs the question, who is ?

I am not talking about quality or ability but about attitude. Apart from Javed Omar, Rajin Saleh and Khaled Mashud , I question any other batsmen's attitude to test matches. Please do not go on about experience. Our players are sufficiently experienced. People clamour for Mushfiq coming in at Mashud's expense. I support Mushfiq coming in but purely as a batsman. I do not think he is even the second best wicket-keeper. Mashud should stay as the wicket-keeper for the time being.

How do you ever begin to explain away Ashraful's reverse sweeps and then the attempted hoik over long on [ when a long on was actually posted ]. In the first innings he fell [ not for the first time ] to a hook when two fieldsmen had been placed precisely for that shot. I am sorry but his basic intelligence has to be questioned. Is it that vertically challenged batsmen need to hit sixes to prove that they are real men ? I cannot understand what goes on in his mind. Why would he want to reverse sweep, not once but twice. It is not as if overs are running out and something has to be done. In fact, overs running away was a good thing in that situation. Let's say it would have brought a four. At what risk ? Where is the runs versus risk ratio ? You don't need education for that. It should be plain common sense.

I am thoroughly disheartened. There appears to be no remedy, no penalties. Only much exaggerated and overhyped praise for infrequent successes.

Imtiazk
June 28, 2007, 10:02 AM
I am not against Shakib but the kid is not yet ready for Test, he has to work with his technique.

Sakib scored a clueless 16 in the first innings and 8 in the second innings. If that's 10 times better than Bashar, I have nothing to say.

Bashar scored only 17 in the second innings but he looked much more comfortable compared to his last few innings. He is only Test batsman having 30+ average in our team, he will play for the remaining part of the series and only then selectors should think about his future.

I agree. Given our poverty of batting talent at Test level, it would be inadvisable to drop Bashar in the next two tests. Bashar should not be picked in ODI's for other reasons. Rotation, fitness, liability as a fielder etc. etc. comes in.

mali007
June 28, 2007, 10:08 AM
As our bowling attacks are so mediocore , don't have venom like other teams ------ our WK does not get many snicks or stumping chances like others. Most of the time our WK watch hammering of our bowlers by the opposing batsmen. So,especially in TESTS ... we do not need an outstanding keeper !! We need quality batsman like Mushfique. Do you remember Ganguly's tactics to use ordinary backup WK Rahul instead of regular keeper ? That was only to increase their batting strength. Rahul is not a better keeper than Mushfique. In warmup match Sharif was impressive than other seamers.

sharifk
June 28, 2007, 10:08 AM
I am not against Shakib but the kid is not yet ready for Test, he has to work with his technique.

This conclusion after just 3 games is just inappropriate. He is a talented player, so he should be allowed to learn from his mistakes.

syzygy
June 28, 2007, 10:09 AM
When Aftab was not selected , surprisingly, the majority opinion actually supported this extraordinary decision. The reason put forward was he was not made for tests. It begs the question, who is ?

I am not talking about quality or ability but about attitude. Apart from Javed Omar, Rajin Saleh and Khaled Mashud , I question any other batsmen's attitude to test matches. Please do not go on about experience. Our players are sufficiently experienced. People clamour for Mushfiq coming in at Mashud's expense. I support Mushfiq coming in but purely as a batsman. I do not think he is even the second best wicket-keeper. Mashud should stay as the wicket-keeper for the time being.

How do you ever begin to explain away Ashraful's reverse sweeps and then the attempted hoik over long on [ when a long on was actually posted ]. In the first innings he falls [ not for the first time ] to a hook when two fieldsmen had been placed precisely for that shot. I am sorry but basic intelligence has to be questioned. Is it that vertically challenged batsmen need to hit sixes to prove that they are real men ? I cannot understand what goes on in his mind. Why would I want to reverse sweep, not once but twice. Let's say it would have brought a four. At what risk ? Where is the runs versus risk ratio ? You don't need education for that. It should be plain common sense.

I am thoroughly disheartened. There appears to be no remedy, no penalties. Exaggerated praise for infrequent successes.

Excellent analysis and understanding. I dont think I have anything to add. I a still upset about ash's heroics and wonder when will he grow up. Considering he played 36 Tests and 100 ODIs he seems to be an extremely slow learner.

Tigers_eye
June 28, 2007, 10:18 AM
...Sakib scored a clueless 16 in the first innings and 8 in the second innings. If that's 10 times better than Bashar, I have nothing to say.
...
If I scrutiny bashar's each innings for the last few months, the question of playing Intl cricket would be the first one to ask. The stats of 34+ ave will not do any good when a person can't keep up 11 average in recent times (One third of his own average). If sakib is unfit for test and he don't have the technic then everyone (98%) in BC are clueless about cricket.

Sakib's innings seems like he is uncomfortable but that don't make him clueless. HB's confident mishits is what all matters. Check this out head head in the last five innings they played together the scores. They faced the same bowlers on the same pitch under the same condition. 10 times well that was figure of speech. How about 3 times? Would that do for Sakib to stay and HB to be dropped?

HB's score: 2, 17, 4, 5, 0 = 28 Avg whopping 5.6 Test standard top order????
SH's score: 16, 8, 30, 15, 27 = 96 Avg 19.2.

Who is more out of form? Who is most likely to get in the rthym sooner?

Each and every batsman in our team needs to work on technic. Bashar more so.

IMHO, Mehrab should replace bashar. he is holding one of the most important places and not performing for quiet some times.

Miraz
June 28, 2007, 10:23 AM
This conclusion after just 3 games is just inappropriate. He is a talented player, so he should be allowed to learn from his mistakes.

6 Test innings should be enough to comment about technique required at Test level.

You can always differ with my observation but writing "just inappropriate" is a bit too much.

Miraz
June 28, 2007, 10:27 AM
If I scrutiny bashar's each innings for the last few months, the question of playing Intl cricket would be the first one to ask. The stats of 34+ ave will not do any good when a person can't keep up 11 average in recent times (One third of his own average). If sakib is unfit for test and he don't have the technic then everyone (98%) in BC are clueless about cricket.

Sakib's innings seems like he is uncomfortable but that don't make him clueless. HB's confident mishits is what all matters. Check this out head head in the last five innings they played together the scores. They faced the same bowlers on the same pitch under the same condition. 10 times well that was figure of speech. How about 3 times? Would that do for Sakib to stay and HB to be dropped?

HB's score: 2, 17, 4, 5, 0 = 28 Avg whopping 5.6 Test standard top order????
SH's score: 16, 8, 30, 15, 27 = 96 Avg 19.2.

Who is more out of form? Who is most likely to get in the rthym sooner?

Each and every batsman in our team needs to work on technic. Bashar more so.

Bashar is out of form no doubt, but you missed his only decent innings of 37 against India. That would make his average around 11, everyone knows he is going through a lean patch.

I am afraid the stat provided by you isn't enough to axe Bashar from the Test team, that's my observation, yours can certainly vary.

About Sakib, I want the kid to perform. I am not against him in any way, but he is not doing justice to himself. Mehrab Jr. has got better defense and he might make the cut if given opportunity.

sharifk
June 28, 2007, 10:29 AM
You can always differ with my observation but writing "just inappropriate" is a bit too much.

Miraz, no offense, but isn't it given that it was my opinion/observation?

Miraz
June 28, 2007, 10:32 AM
Miraz, no offense, but isn't it given that it was my opinion/observation?

You could have said the same message in a different way.

Anyway, forget it.

Fazal
June 28, 2007, 10:41 AM
I don't know why people are after Sakib so quickly. You like it or not Sakib was given a chance by the management....you cannnot change that. What is done is done. Now we need to stick with him for a while before before asking his head. Its too early to say he doesn't have the technical skills to play in TEST. How many players in BD team does anyway?

When we talk about Ash,Alok,bashar we request for pataience... and its stange the same group of people becomes very impatient when we talk about Sakib/Farhad/ etc.

Please don't make Skaib another Farhad case. If we can affort to have too many oldies and dead woods in the team who rarely scores, why not keeping atleast one slot to a new talent like Sakib. They may not score also, but atleast they will gain some much valuable experience.

Tigers_eye
June 28, 2007, 10:43 AM
Bashar is out of form no doubt, but you missed his only decent innings of 37 against India. That would make his average around 11, everyone knows he is going through a lean patch.

I am afraid the stat provided by you isn't enough to axe Bashar from the Test team, that's my observation, yours can certainly vary.

About Sakib, I want the kid to perform. I am not against him in any way, but he is not doing justice to himself. Mehrab Jr. has got better defense and he might make the cut if given opportunity.
Sorry sir,
I didn't miss his decent 37. Sakib didn't play 2nd innings. Apples vs apples. wouldn't be fare of Sakib's stat when he didn't have the opportunuty. You may have missed the "together" part of my post.

Anyways even if you add the 37 runs to his existing total that makes his average 10.8. Which is even lower than the hated KM. Any comments?

When someone is performing worse than KM how can he deserve to stay in the lineup? I know you like sakib, I am not questioning that. My issue is, if Mehrab Jr. is included then he should replace the most non-performing person. That's all.

No matter what we think the lineup should be, we all know management won't change anything in the second test. Even KM. The only changes we will see would be in the 3rd Test where the stakes are not high as the first two.

al Furqaan
June 28, 2007, 10:46 AM
first of i saw sakib's stats...5 innings, avg of 19.20 with best of 30...that means he's scoring quite conisistently around 20 runs each innings...no way we can drop him after just 5 innings...i really think sakib will shine. technique, shmeknique...

plus since his debut, he has been OUR MOST ECONOMIC BOWLER...

my team for 2nd Test (no pilot, no bashar):

JO (if injured Mehrab Jr)
SN
Mushfiq
Rajin
Ash
Sakib
tushar
rafiq
mash
rajib
rasel/razzak

sharifk
June 28, 2007, 10:54 AM
You could have said the same message in a different way.


And if I would have pointed out the same way, I could have mentioned that you could have said "kid is not yet ready for Test" different way. In my opinion, it "is a bit too much" as well.

And BTW not that in my opinion 6 innings are enough to make a bold statement like that about a talented player, but he has only played 5 innings in 3 matches.

Sohel
June 28, 2007, 10:56 AM
My batting lineup:

1. Abir (if he fails again, which he probably will, as impetuous as he was during his last 3 test outings - I'll bump Golla Jr here at #1, bump Rajin up to #3, and bring a RESTING Shakib back to bat at #7)
2. Golla Sr
3. Golla Jr
4. Ash
5. HaBa (if he fails again, which he probably will, as shaky and technically unsound as he was during his last 3 test outings - I'll bump Rajin here at #5, and bring a RESTING Shakib back to bat at #7)
6. Mushy
7. Rajin (to hold together the tail for 150 to 200 balls)
8. Mash
9. Shahadat
10. Rafique
11. Razzak

If Tapash was in the team, I'd consider dropping someone (HaBa) or resting Shakib to accomodate him because of his pace and ability to generate bounce on tamer day-3 wickets. Rasel and Sharif are not pacy enough to do anything but contain their batsmen, which our spinners can do better.

sadat_04
June 28, 2007, 11:03 AM
Bashar is out of form no doubt, but you missed his only decent innings of 37 against India. That would make his average around 11, everyone knows he is going through a lean patch.

I am afraid the stat provided by you isn't enough to axe Bashar from the Test team, that's my observation, yours can certainly vary.

About Sakib, I want the kid to perform. I am not against him in any way, but he is not doing justice to himself. Mehrab Jr. has got better defense and he might make the cut if given opportunity.

Miraz bhai, how many chances do u want to give bashar..test cricket or not..he failed badly during world cup..thats 8 matches..india series...and please don't say 37 is a good score...this is precisely the mentality thats causing our downfall...one 50 in 5 innings and we r happy.....bangali..alpotei khushi...... most of the players in our team gives away their wickets...to the type of work needed to fix that is different... but Bashar just go beaten every time he got out...there is a difference..

Miraz
June 28, 2007, 11:07 AM
Miraz bhai, how many chances do u want to give bashar..test cricket or not..he failed badly during world cup..thats 8 matches..india series...and please don't say 37 is a good score...this is precisely the mentality thats causing our downfall...one 50 in 5 innings and we r happy.....bangali..alpotei khushi...... most of the players in our team gives away their wickets...to the type of work needed to fix that is different... but Bashar just go beaten every time he got out...there is a difference..

You missed my point. I am not saying 37 is a good score by any standard. That was the only score that Bashar made recently and I was just reminding that.

About chances, I have said in my previous post that selectors should sit after the Test series to decide Bashar's future.

Beamer
June 28, 2007, 11:18 AM
You guys all want change, but I wonder, from where it would come from? The selectors basically gave a three test free reign for all the middle order batsmen. We chose not to take cover by not picking Aftab or Tushar for the test series. So, the quartret of HB, ASH, Rajin, Sakib can't be dropped. They can try Mehrab, an opener by trade, to come in and bat in the middle order. But, that will open up a whole new can of worms. They will be asked, and rightly so, why didn't they take extra middle order bat? Mehrab was taken as a cover for the openers and it was not a bad decision considering the trouble we had recently with SN and JO. Those two have done reasonably well and will play the whole series ( unless an injury makes one unavailable or either of the two totally bombs in the second test ). Putting Mehrab in the middle order is not going to happen. They made a big blunder with middle order.

Sakib is lacking a lot of things to be in the test squad as a batsman. But, to drop him will be a mistake now. They could have delayed his test debut by a year or so. Another mistake there, but to drop him now will be akin to making a mistake to right a mistake ! He stays and we hope this baptism by fire will harden his resolve.

Given the brittle nature of lower middle order, there is no real remedy right now, but to swap Mushfique with Pilot. I would not put Mushfique at no.3 for reasons I have mentioned in anothe thread. He is too young to take responsibilty at no.3, besides, if we field first, he would have to bat right away after spending all day keeping. At this point, his keeping abilities doesn't really matter compared to Pilot! yeah..he will drop a simple chance and someone will score a big century because of that. Big deal. They will score big centuries against our attack anyway. Let off or no let off !

Second test line : 1 JO 2 SN 3 Rajin ( i guess they will keep playing him there ) 4 Ash ( he must move up ) 5 HB ( nearing the end, but fortunate that nobody is breathing over his shoulder in this series. actually no one taken to replace him ) 6 Mushfique 7 Sakib ( pressure less position ) 8 Mash 9 Rafiq ( his place in the test team will increasingly come under scurtiny in coming months ) 10 Shahdat 11 Rasel..

sadat_04
June 28, 2007, 11:19 AM
I am way too mad right now to think clearly....nothing personal...

Protic
June 28, 2007, 11:19 AM
Javed Omar (Mehrab JR if JO isnt fit)
Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Shakib Al Hasan
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mashrafe Mortaza
Mohammad Rafique
Shahadat Hossain
Syed Rasel/Mohammad Sharif
-----------------------------------
Shakib needs more chances..guys come on..he onli gets to bat with Khaled Mashud? think about his mindset..eh? He's always put into a lot of pressure. And also We need 3 seamers in the 2nd test so Shakib will be a bowling option. I would play Shakib in all 3 test matches.. He never PLAYED a 5 day match before..NEVER. Just 2-3? ..Give him time.

sadat_04
June 28, 2007, 11:42 AM
Beamer, u do have some valid points there...but I still think we should give bashar a rest...and move Mushi to 5. and sakib/pilot to no 6.. here is my reason to include pilot..if we bowl first..and mushi drops a catch or something...it may not matter a whole lot to us...but for mushi, he is going to be thinking that he needs to do something with his bat...so he may be nervous..this way he will have no pressure...
we also should not play razzak for the next two matches...specially not in the last one as Kandy is all fast & bouncy..I honestly don't think he's got enough variation in his bowling to be a factor in test level..Jr is more suited for this job..Rasel is a smart bowler...he did very well against Srilanka in the last series...

1. Nafees ( he really needs to pick it up)
2. Omar ( he will certainly not be dropped after that 50..)
3. Rajin
4. Ash.
5. Mushi
6. Sakib
7. Pilot
8. Mashrafee
9.Shahadat
10. Rafiq
11. Rasel

Sadz
June 28, 2007, 12:46 PM
Any team would know now is the time to drop Pilot, he is not good at batting!
My team wish list for second test;
Javed Omar(probably our first or second best test batsmen at the moment)
Shariar Nafees(good batsmen, im sure shaun williams will show him his faults)
Rajin Saleh(very very clever batsmen)
Mohammad Ashraful(captain)
Habibul Bashar(looks more confident, less pressure at no.5)
Mushfiqur Rahim(drop pilot)
Mehrab Jnr(have 2 drop sakib at the moment, wud b interesting 2 c jnr)
Mohammad Rafique(Always in the team no matter what)
Masrafee Mortaza( Nothing much 2 say really!)
Shahadot Hossain(turning into good all rounder although disappointing start 2day)
Syed Rasel(Clever bowler, also better batter than Razzak)
My reasons for players being dropped;Sakib is definitely struggling in test cricket as Ash said. Razzak didnt prove much either except in ODI's. Pilot is definitely past his prime.
Good luck Bangladesh, hope selectors get it right this time.

Imtiazk
June 28, 2007, 03:23 PM
As our bowling attacks are so mediocore , don't have venom like other teams ------ our WK does not get many snicks or stumping chances like others. Most of the time our WK watch hammering of our bowlers by the opposing batsmen. So,especially in TESTS ... we do not need an outstanding keeper !! We need quality batsman like Mushfique. Do you remember Ganguly's tactics to use ordinary backup WK Rahul instead of regular keeper ? That was only to increase their batting strength. Rahul is not a better keeper than Mushfique. In warmup match Sharif was impressive than other seamers.

Dravid only kept wickets in ODI's not in tests. Mushfiq already occupies the ODI WK slot.

zahid
June 28, 2007, 03:52 PM
Miraz bhai is a Big Bashar fan. By now, we all know that. Nothing anyone says will chnage that :)

wiseshah
June 28, 2007, 07:14 PM
1. javed Omar--- his second innings batting is not bad
2. shahriar nafees--he is getting back form
3. Rajin saleh---in good form
4. Habibul Bashar---best test batsmen for BD, i think he deserve a chance
5. mohammad ashraful
6. mehrab Junior---instead of sakib (same type allrounder with test mentality)
7. Mushfiq rahim (one and only solution in keeping and batting)
8. mashrafi Mortaza
9. mohammad Rafiq
10. shahadat hossain
11. mohammad Sharif/ Syed Rasel

wish we had Tushar Imran in the team instead of bashar, he is perfect for test match. In future, i am sure, we will see rakib ul hasan, the upcoming star in test match. Khaled masud is totally out of touch. if Mushfiq is injured, replacement should be dheeman Ghosh. what do u guys think?

truetruetiger
June 28, 2007, 08:22 PM
my team for second test:
Javed Omar
S Nafees
Rajin
Bashar
Ahsraful
Sakib
Rahim
Mashrafe
Rafique
Sharif
Rajib

my team for tests if the selectors could pick properly:
Javed Omar
T Iqbal
Rajin
S Nafees
Ashraful
Sakib
Rahim
Mashrafe
Rafique
Rajib
Enamul/Sharif (depending on pitch)

One World
June 28, 2007, 08:46 PM
Besides bringing in Mushfikur Rahim in place of Khaled Mashud and Tushar Imran in place of Shakib Al Hasan I would bring in Farhad Reza instead of Md. Sharif in as the much needed all rounder and insert him in place of Rafique. I would also transform the batting positions for Rajin from number three to number five and place tushar in number six. If Ash is willing to make his team to play longer innings he needs to make sure in the first eighty overs BD does not lose more than 3 wickets whatever the score is on the board. Not every BD batsman can handle raw pace of Fernando or swinging new ball from Malinga. If morning dew adds to the pain the third and final test can be disastrous for BD batting as Kandy pitch is far more known as bouncy.

sadi
June 28, 2007, 09:16 PM
I see almost 90 percent posters want Mushfiq in the team. Very good. The problem is I will still be surprised if Pilot is not picked. I don't think our selectors and management have the guts to drop Pilot from a test match.

SMHasan
June 28, 2007, 09:52 PM
What changes we are looking for? I wonder what Tushar or Aftab would have done if they were selected. But I think the selectors have done a mistake by dropping Tushar Imran.

As everyone is talking about batting let's talk about our bowling. In past lot of people said that our bowling got a good variety but is it true? In the first test bowling looked toothless, nothing there. Yes I know that the wicket was a bit dead but can't I expect our bowlers to remove number 7 and 8 batsman? We let Gillespie to score double ton, now let Vaas and Prasanna to score centuries. It's quite a big worry. Ashraful's field placing was sometimes too attacking or too defensive. He wasn't precise enough in field placing. Hope he learns from his mistakes.

Batsmen are keep failing and bowlers are not picking up wickets, it's totally a hopeless situation here. Really don't know whether this situation will improve at all.

Rabz
June 28, 2007, 10:51 PM
Two changes i would like to make ...
Mushi for Pilot.
Rasel for Razzak.

Lets keep the rest of the team same. It would be a hard call to drop Sakib only after 3 tests. He is a natural player and should be given chance, atleast, till the end of this series to prove his worth. Have to have some faith on the players.

Ash should come in no 3.
Best batsman the in team always plays at this crucial position. He would be able to score runs quickly and at the same time, give support for the solid foundation with either with openers or batsmen down the line like Rajin and Bashar.

And yes, high time for Mushy to be drafted in the team.
Pilot is flying very low.

habfreak
June 28, 2007, 11:05 PM
I would have loved to see Enamul jr. replacing Lalla, same about Tusher replacing Bashar. Too bad they are not even in the squad!
The obvious change is Mushy for Pilot. I don't think anyone will argue about that. I would replace Bashar with Mehrab jr and Rajin with Rasel (Go with 5 bowlers).

Beamer
June 28, 2007, 11:16 PM
What changes we are looking for? I wonder what Tushar or Aftab would have done if they were selected. But I think the selectors have done a mistake by dropping Tushar Imran.

As everyone is talking about batting let's talk about our bowling. In past lot of people said that our bowling got a good variety but is it true? In the first test bowling looked toothless, nothing there. Yes I know that the wicket was a bit dead but can't I expect our bowlers to remove number 7 and 8 batsman? We let Gillespie to score double ton, now let Vaas and Prasanna to score centuries. It's quite a big worry. Ashraful's field placing was sometimes too attacking or too defensive. He wasn't precise enough in field placing. Hope he learns from his mistakes.

Batsmen are keep failing and bowlers are not picking up wickets, it's totally a hopeless situation here. Really don't know whether this situation will improve at all.

Yes. Our test bowling is a worrying recent trend. Too much one day cricket over the year no doubt. But, they are in SL after a test series against India and should be well accustomed to by now . In addition, Rafiq is not the bowler that he was two years ago. But, I do have all the sympathy for all the bowlers. How the heck are you supposed to motivate yourself to bend your back when the batsmen give you 89 runs ( well not always, but you know what I mean )? Our oponents are never under any pressure to score. In the few handful of test matches that we have competed almost on even terms over the years, in almost all of them, our batsmen gave our bowlers some runs to fight with, and they did reasonably well ,irrespective of the outcome. So, the bulge of the problem lies with batting. Bat well, score consistently at least 300 in each innings, and our bowlers will do much better, I assure you.

Murad
June 29, 2007, 12:08 AM
Our bowling is becoming a bit weak nowadays.. Mashrafe is not fully fit. He didnt bowl well in the india series and same here in Sri Lanka.. Shahadat's line lenth is the problem.. Razzak is not that effective in test.. Rafique is getting very old and loosing his form.. Rasel is not that good either in test

They should have included Enam Jr instead Razzak for test.. stupid selectors..

Our batting is also a problem.. we have some players who are out of forms.. and they should have not been selected in the first place.. but stupid selectors made stupid mistakes.. and now we have to play them and do bad.. :(

We should go with 3 pacers for the 2nd match.. and drop Razzak..

Haider
June 29, 2007, 01:59 AM
I think the selectors should have like a 3rd party approval kinda thing before finalizing their decisions. Maybe like an online poll or something .. have the Fans vote for their choice of players, and then the selectors sees which players have more votes .. that kinda stuff. I think Fans know more bout the players ..cuz we are some tuff critics.

zahid
June 29, 2007, 04:18 AM
I would have loved to see Enamul jr. replacing Lalla, same about Tusher replacing Bashar. Too bad they are not even in the squad!
The obvious change is Mushy for Pilot. I don't think anyone will argue about that. I would replace Bashar with Mehrab jr and Rajin with Rasel (Go with 5 bowlers).

Pagla garod thaika bair hoilen naki? Rajinrey baad ditasen?

ononto
June 29, 2007, 04:39 AM
My wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
M. Raheem (Rest Bashar)
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Rest Shakib)
K Mashud
M Mortaza
S Hossain
S Rasel (Razzak out)
M Rafique

My team selection is same. Reason for keeping KM is for his experience behind the stamp and also most probably he is far more capable in standing firm for long time with concentration comparing Mushfique. Mehrab should get a chance instead Sakib and of course in the next bouncy wicket we shouldn't play 2 specialized spinners. So, Razzak should left out.

Hopefully the selectors would do the same.

Salemin
June 29, 2007, 05:32 AM
Pagla garod thaika bair hoilen naki? Rajinrey baad ditasen?

:lol: I also thought why he was suggesting to leave Rajin with a bowler.

SS
June 29, 2007, 06:34 AM
2nd test hobe kina shondeho...already ICC ar kono test rake nai aei bosore...the way they played ICC 2nd test ar 3rd test both bad dibe.

WarWolf
June 29, 2007, 06:39 AM
2nd test hobe kina shondeho...already ICC ar kono test rake nai aei bosore...the way they played ICC 2nd test ar 3rd test both bad dibe.
ICC will never do that.

fuzzy
June 29, 2007, 08:49 AM
i like to see them for 2nd test

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
H Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Drop Shakib)
Mushfiqur Rahim (Drop Pilot)
M Mortaza
S Hossain
rasel
M Rafique

bashar don't know y am givin him a chance, his younger hav a much stronger believe in wining a test match, but he shows cowardless.

nahaz
June 30, 2007, 05:24 AM
Like everyone, I too wish mushfique was in, pilot was out.But probably in my dreams, right?

I seriously want to see a 3rd pacer instead of a spinner,be it Rasel or Sharif.Whoever can be consistent in troubing the batsmen at first change.

Sakib must have some inherent problem. Maybe he should be dropped for now (but should be mentored by someone) and we can try out Mehrab Jr.He can spin too so that's just replacing an all-rounder with an all-rounder.Here's the order:
Javed Omar
S Nafees
Rajin
Habibul bashar
Ashraful
Mehrab Jr
Mushfique
Mashrafee
shahadat
Rafique
Sharif/Rasel<br>
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And here's my order for the NZ series.(Gache kathal, goofe tel arki) I don't see the point of playing spinners when we have spinning all-rounders and there's not much chance of success for spinners:
JO (eventually replaced by a performing classy batsman -Iqbal brothers maybe)
Shahriar Nafees
Rajin
Ash
Bashar/Tushar (only if bashar looks terrible in this series)
Kapali (ALL-ROUNDER)
Sakib (ALL-ROUNDER)
Mushfique
Mashrafee
shahadat
A 3rd PACER
12th man:Razzak (if we still don't have a reliable 3rd pacer,or sakib can't figure out test batting)

real123
June 30, 2007, 10:51 AM
agreed...
may be mehrab should open with golla and nafees should be in the middle. mushfiq should come at no 3.

Any team would know now is the time to drop Pilot, he is not good at batting!
My team wish list for second test;
Javed Omar(probably our first or second best test batsmen at the moment)
Shariar Nafees(good batsmen, im sure shaun williams will show him his faults)
Rajin Saleh(very very clever batsmen)
Mohammad Ashraful(captain)
Habibul Bashar(looks more confident, less pressure at no.5)
Mushfiqur Rahim(drop pilot)
Mehrab Jnr(have 2 drop sakib at the moment, wud b interesting 2 c jnr)
Mohammad Rafique(Always in the team no matter what)
Masrafee Mortaza( Nothing much 2 say really!)
Shahadot Hossain(turning into good all rounder although disappointing start 2day)
Syed Rasel(Clever bowler, also better batter than Razzak)
My reasons for players being dropped;Sakib is definitely struggling in test cricket as Ash said. Razzak didnt prove much either except in ODI's. Pilot is definitely past his prime.
Good luck Bangladesh, hope selectors get it right this time.

Ak
June 30, 2007, 12:08 PM
Wher is Tapash???

cricket_pagol
June 30, 2007, 12:15 PM
Bring Mushy for Pilot, I think bashar looked OK in the last test... so he should be given more chance... If he cannot perform in this series, then he should be dropped.

Dhakablues
June 30, 2007, 12:18 PM
The reality is changing Pilot for Mushfiq wouldnt really have avoided the innings defeat. The real problem is still the top order and penetrating bowling. We dont have it. The only player that qualifies as a true test player is Rajin Saleh.. other than that,, I dont think changing any player combination would change anything... maybe the margin might be few fifty runs less. Until the day, atleast 5 players,, 3 batsmen and 2 bowlers really perform,, Our days at Test cricket will always be like this. So, cry as much as you want that Pilot ruined Bangladesh,, but the fact remains that Bashar still didnt score 20s, neither did Ashraful, Sakib nor did Mashfafee/Pilot took 4 wickets or more. Lets face it,, we have more yards to go before facing the Srilankans in the 22 yards.. sorry but harsh truth!!

BangladeshFan
June 30, 2007, 05:27 PM
I like to see 2 changes
>mushfiq for pilot
>rasel for rajjak

between sakib and mehrab, its 50-50, both can bowl part time and both equally ineffective, both will struggle with the bat. But I think sakib should get the nod ahead this time.

I will open with Rajin and JO, pushing bashar at 3 and SN at 4. SN I think should be coming at middle order, as some already said it. he packs punch when he strokes the ball but he is susceptible outside offstump, unforgivable for an opener.ash 5, mushfiq 6, sakib 7......... looks an ok batting lineup.

bowling wise it has 3 pacers with a left armer adding variety, one less left arm spinner but Bd has one offie and one leggie part timer. Even though the real thing is the application and commitment, whoever plays......

zia
June 30, 2007, 05:53 PM
May sound little ambitious but this will be good fighting side:

Javed Omar
M. Rahim
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr
Sakib Al Hasan
M Mortaza
S Hossain
S Rasel
M Rafique

habfreak
June 30, 2007, 06:00 PM
I agree about keeping Sakib, Lalla is not effective in tests, I'd pick Rasel in place of him and let Ash and sakib share the secong spinner duties.

Sohel
July 1, 2007, 04:22 AM
"Wisden overview

A dashing striker of the ball, Tushar Imran established himself as one of the rising stars of Bangladesh cricket at the age of just 17, when he cracked 131 from 106 balls in a domestic league match in 2000-01 - the same season in which his country was granted Test status. His one-day debut came the following year against Zimbabwe, and when new blood was demanded to help revive Bangladesh's flagging Test fortunes, he was thrust into the fray against Sri Lanka in July 2002. He struggled, making 8 and 28 in a 288-run defeat, but the selectors clearly believed he had what it takes - three former captains, Naimur Rahman, Akram Khan and Aminul Islam, were axed to make way for him. By his own admission he can be too impetuous for his own good, and though his ODI appearances continued to tick over, his Test career stalled after three fruitless outings. But the Bangladesh A tour of England in the summer of 2005 provided an opportunity to forge a second coming, and after impressing in patches - not least with a run-a-ball 70 against Surrey - he returned to the squad for the tour of Sri Lanka that September.Andrew Miller"

Tushar averages 6.87 and scored 55 runs from 182 balls during the 8 innings of test cricket he has played to date. In First Class cricket, after 110 innings at bat, he averages 30.99 and scored 3,192 runs with 8 centuries and 15 fifties with an excellent conversion rate. Tushar Imran is not a part of this particular test side.

But, while we're on the subject of "what ifs", here's the dig on Aftab:

Quote-

"Aftab Ahmed first came to the attention of the Bangladeshi selectors after scoring 79 against South Africa in the Under-19 World Cup in 2002, and the following year he was pitched into the Test squad to face England, despite having failed to impress in two earlier warm-up matches. His selection was initially viewed with suspicion by the local media, who regarded Aftab as something of a one-day cowboy, and indeed his desire to belt the cover off the ball has resulted in some all-too-brief performances. His potential, however, is plain to see, and his selection for the seminal tour of England early in 2005 was evidence of the selectors' faith, which he repaid at Chester-le-Street with a defiant, carefree 82 not out, the highest score for Bangladesh in the Test series. He also finished off the historic one-day win over Australia at Cardiff, smashing Jason Gillespie for four and six to seal victory. His medium-pacers have potential as well, as he showed with an astonishing one-day haul of 5 for 31 against New Zealand in November 2004. He led Bangladesh to a 3-2 series victory with an unbeaten 81 in the final match against Zimbabwe in January 2005. Since then, barring that run-a-ball 82 at the Riverside, he's hit a lean patch: he hasn't reached 30 in a Test, while in one-dayers he hit a couple of fifties against the Kenyans early in 2006, but failed to impress against Australia. On the tours of Zimbabwe and Kenya in August, Aftab delighted everyone with his all-out attack attitude but often threw it away when he promised so much more. He struck five fifties in eleven innings against Zimbabwe and Scotland since the Champions Trophy in October but a century still eludes him. He reached a career best of 92 against Zimbabwe in February 2007.
Andrew Miller February 2007"

Aftab averages 20.78 and scored 395 runs from 680 balls during the 20 innings of test cricket he has played to date. In First Class cricket he averages 26.82 and scored 1,234 runs with 1 century and 5 fifties with after 49 innings at bat.

And here's Alok:

Quote-

"Wisden overview

A talented but erratic legspinner and a batsman of undoubted potential, Alok Kapali has a burgeoning reputation as an allrounder, particularly in the one-day game. He made a promising Test debut against Sri Lanka in 2002, and impressed with his technique and temperament in an otherwise disappointing match. Batting as high as No. 6, in spite of a first-class average in the mid-teens, he made starts on both occasions without being able to go on, and has since demonstrated a bold attitude towards quick bowling. His bowling has improved, since disappearing for more than five an over on debut, and against Pakistan at Peshawar in August 2003, when still only 19, he became the first Bangladesh bowler to take a hat-trick in Test cricket, a performance that secured his side their maiden first-innings lead, at the 23rd attempt. Following a string of poor performances he was dropped from the one-day squad before the Champions Trophy in England in September 2004, and was later omitted from the 20-man training squad for the 2005 tour of England. He was recalled to the national squad early in 2006, but did little of note beyond an innings of 55 in one of the one-dayers against Kenya, and failed in his only Test outing, against Sri Lanka, which followed a career-best 156 for Sylhet against Chittagong. After poor performances in a couple of ODIs against Australia and Zimbabwe, Kapali was dropped from the squad for the tour of Kenya in July 2006. He has been included in the preliminary 18 for the Champions Trophy in October but it remains to be seen if he will make the final cut. Time is still on his side, but he needs to inject more consistency into his allround game. Andrew Miller (August 2006)"

Alok was the top genuine allrounder from the most recently completed NCL 2007 by a mile and then some. He averages 17.69 and scored 584 runs from 1201 balls during the 34 innings of test cricket he has played to date. In his 120 innings of First Class cricket at bat, he averages 26.14 and scored 3,033 runs with 6 centuries and 11 fifties with an exceptional conversion rate.

Analyze and discuss.

nobody
July 1, 2007, 04:45 AM
TI should be considered as in same bracket as Alok, Rokon (i.e. worthless). He needs to learn the basic (remember the run out in Kenya). Some would point out HB also needed. May be but without doubt he is our best test batsman. Only 4 test ago he was a hero. ODI performance is affecting our judgement. There should be no rest but drop. We should drop the captain first for irresponsible batting along with Rajin for throwing out start or being satisfied with fifty. But we can not as at least they got start others are even worthless than them. But rajjak should be dropped and Sharif should come. Regarding Pilot does it matter whether he score or not. it is top 5 job not his job to score run. Even if Mushfiq was there, would he got any partner to carry with him.

WarWolf
July 1, 2007, 04:49 AM
Good feed for thinking from Sohel bhai. Tushar and Kapali for sure deserve a call. Both of them failed at younger age. Growing with age and experience they may prove to be valuable this time.

Murad
July 1, 2007, 01:49 PM
http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/07/02/d70702040136.htm

Young wicketkeeper Mushfiqur Rahim is likely to replace the long-serving Khaled Mashud as the team think-tank believe that the Bogra stumper has much better technique and temperament than his senior competitor, in a bid to bolster the vulnerable batting line-up of the Tigers.

Veteran Mashud scored an unbeaten 12 in the miserable first innings total of 89 and then was exposed in the second innings when he invited an inswinger between his bat and pad from Lasith Malinga on the fourth morning. That opened the door for Sri Lankan to pick the remaining five wickets within 30 minutes.

Mushfiqur has so far played two Tests, the last of which was against the same opponents at his home ground where he made 2 and 0, as a specialist batsman to score only 24 runs but this time the team management wants to give him the full job as they believe that it is the right time to try the young man in the demanding position. It was learnt that there was a consensus about the change.

The only problem With Rahim is his worth as a 'keeper as he impressed many by his batting in the World Cup in West Indies but his keeping was still not up to the mark.


Bangladesh is also thinking on a third seamer as the P Sara wicket is likely to be in the faster side and in that case Mohammad Sharif will replace left-arm spinner Abdur Razzak while Mehrab Hossain was also in consideration to make his Test debut.


i think it will be a good team if they do so..

WarWolf
July 1, 2007, 01:50 PM
Rahim is set to play according to DS. Good news for sure.

(http://thedailystar.net/2007/07/02/d70702040237.htm)

al Furqaan
July 1, 2007, 02:00 PM
http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/07/02/d70702040136.htm






i think it will be a good team if they do so..

i'd rather have rasel

AsifTheManRahman
July 1, 2007, 02:04 PM
Why are we carrying Sharif around the world? He is, with all due respect, worthless. We have only three quick bowlers worthy of playing test cricket to date, and Sharif's definitely not one of them.

Murad
July 1, 2007, 02:15 PM
i'd rather have rasel

yeap.. you are right.. They should take rasel instead Sharif.. Rasel's line lentht is awesome.. and hes also a smart blower..

shamster
July 1, 2007, 02:43 PM
Yes I was reading the daily star too it looks like there shall be changes. I think the areas of change are Sakib/Mehrab? Mashud/MRahim? ARazzaq/Sharif .... Shame Rasel is not being mentioned? if I remember is the same grund Shahadat and Rasel had Sri Lanka at 40 off for 4 ? and could have been worse if Ashraful held on to Dilshan ?

In terms of Mehrab replacing Shakib well Shakib's technique of cutting is found wanting in test matches and needs to go back and correct that before continuing any further. I think this highlights ODI success can not result in test call ups.. we need to see these guys in 4 days matches under the A team banner. For the short term I guess Mehrab is ideal replacment for Shakib as he bowls useful SLA arguably more effective than Shakibs. It hurts me saying this as I am an admirer of Shakib but tough decisions have to be made.

Mushfiqur Rahim in place of Mashud I think that is the wide consensus. I am not sure how much MRahim will do against Sri Lanka but for the long term he will do wonders for us and I think the time is right for him to move in to the shoes.

ARazzaq being replaced by Sharif: Its old news that ARazzaq is not that effective in Tests as he is in ODI, especially on pace freindly pitch also with Mehrab/Shakibs SLA and Ashafuls Leg Spin we are covered for spin and need an extra seam bowler it seams Sharif is going to get the nod over Rasel hmmm this is a tough one I guess Sharif is being tipped for his All round capabilities and use of old bowl. Rasel done damage on this pitch on the last tour so ... I think I would go Rasel as I cant see the extra 10 runs sharif is going to give you be more competitive. Rasel will add Variety.

One World
July 1, 2007, 02:47 PM
2nd test hobe kina shondeho...already ICC ar kono test rake nai aei bosore...the way they played ICC 2nd test ar 3rd test both bad dibe.

Thats not an expectaion right.

Kabir
July 1, 2007, 03:18 PM
Even if Mushfiq performs horribly behind the stumps, I would want him to be drafted in for the 2nd Test. And for that matter, I want Mashud to take the next flight to Dhaka, and lock himself in his apartment for the rest of his life. I don't want his venom to spill into our Test cricket anymore.

Mohammad Sharif: what can I say about him. This guy doesn't even look like a cricketer. Enough said.

What about Rasel? Why aren't they thinking of him? For batting lineup?

I'm not in favor of changing Sakib. This guy has shown patience in ODIs. It's just some time that he needs to settle down in Test arena. Otherwise, questioning his abilities is like questioning anyone else's abilities in our side.

MohammedC
July 1, 2007, 03:27 PM
Only problem with Sakib he is not used to the longer version of the game he has only played 16 first class match has an average of just under 28 with highest 85.

I agree with you Kabir as a ODI he has done well but he needs more FC match otherwise we may not see him to his full potential at Test matches

One World
July 1, 2007, 05:47 PM
Thats a funny avatar.

SS
July 1, 2007, 06:44 PM
Are we playing the same squad...any news or updates?
Reading most of the reviews, it seems that few changes are required

mali007
July 1, 2007, 07:46 PM
Prothom Alo reports the possibilities of inclusion Mushfique and Sharif in place of Pilot
and Razzak. If it happens will match my line up !!!

Antora
July 1, 2007, 07:47 PM
Prothom Alo reports the possibilities of inclusion Mushfique and Sharif in place of Pilot
and Razzak. If it happens will match my line up !!!

why no razzak?:waiting:

nahaz
July 1, 2007, 08:04 PM
It seems they realised they need more pacers,that's why.Rafique was kept for his batting too probably.He was doing quite bit of batting practice yesterday.Ash seems to mention Rafique's century against the WIndies quite a lot.

SMHasan
July 1, 2007, 09:59 PM
Yes. Our test bowling is a worrying recent trend. Too much one day cricket over the year no doubt. But, they are in SL after a test series against India and should be well accustomed to by now . In addition, Rafiq is not the bowler that he was two years ago. But, I do have all the sympathy for all the bowlers. How the heck are you supposed to motivate yourself to bend your back when the batsmen give you 89 runs ( well not always, but you know what I mean )? Our oponents are never under any pressure to score. In the few handful of test matches that we have competed almost on even terms over the years, in almost all of them, our batsmen gave our bowlers some runs to fight with, and they did reasonably well ,irrespective of the outcome. So, the bulge of the problem lies with batting. Bat well, score consistently at least 300 in each innings, and our bowlers will do much better, I assure you.

I agree that too much one day cricket and lack of test cricket did us a lot of damage. Our approach wasn't right at first place. As the batsmen failed poorly our bowlers suddenly did not have that much motivation to fight for the wickets. They were hopeless too like us. It happens when batsmen can't give them something to fight for.

This failure reminds me the old saying [বাংলা]বাংলাদেশ দলে বোলাররা হলো ব্যাটসম্যানদের সৎ ভাই [/বাংলা] Truly how many times our batsmen gave the bowlers the chance to bowl in the 2nd innings? I don't think too many times. 2nd innings is the place to take wickets if the opposition batsmen are under pressure. But sadly against us opposition bowlers do not feel any pressure at all, let alone the opposition batsman!

Protic
July 1, 2007, 10:46 PM
Yeah local newspapers saying Mushy will replace Pilot or Sakib..i would say Mushy should replace Pilot and Razzak/Rafique can be replaced with the 3rd seamer..Syed Rasel might get a chance since he has good records against SL.
Rafique should be played since he's touching his personal milestones.

sadi
July 1, 2007, 11:09 PM
According to Prothom Alo, there is likely to be two changes in the second test. Mushfiq is replacing Pilot and Sharif is most likely to replace Razzak.

Prothom Alo (http://www.prothom-alo.org/index.news.details.php?nid=ODM1Mg==)

mali007
July 1, 2007, 11:13 PM
Yeah local newspapers saying Mushy will replace Pilot or Sakib..i would say Mushy should replace Pilot and Razzak/Rafique can be replaced with the 3rd seamer..Syed Rasel might get a chance since he has good records against SL.
Rafique should be played since he's touching his personal milestones.
I just watched the curator's comment on NTV. According to him pitch will be bouncy with
little grass on it. First one hr. it will help the pacers . So toss will be crucial one . For those reasons management decided for three seamers. For longer version Sharif is suitable with his ability to reverse swing with the old ball.

MarufH
July 1, 2007, 11:28 PM
y wish list:

Javed Omar
S. Nafees
H Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Mohammad Ashraful
Mehrab Hossain Jnr (Drop Shakib)
Mushfiqur Rahim (Drop Pilot)
M Mortaza
S Hossain
Abdur Razzak
M Rafique

I preferred the word Drop over Rest.

These two changes will significantly increase our batting strength.

Ditto!

Trigger_Tiger
July 2, 2007, 02:00 AM
Hurrah for Mushy!!!!!
Mehrab for Nafees, Nafees to come lower down the order (at 4).
Razzak stays (even thought I know that Sharif is being included)

Sohel
July 2, 2007, 02:55 AM
From the Daily Star-

Rahim set to play
Bishwajit Roy from Colombo

There are a few changes on the cards for Bangladesh for the second Test as they are desperately looking to make their batting stronger after a disastrous performance in the first Test which they lost by an innings and 234 runs.

The second Test of the three-match series will start tomorrow at the P Sara Stadium, the only Asian venue where all-time great Australian batsman Don Bradman played a match during his stopover in what was known as Ceylon back in 1948.

Young wicketkeeper Mushfiqur Rahim is likely to replace the long-serving Khaled Mashud as the team think-tank believe that the Bogra stumper has much better technique and temperament than his senior competitor, in a bid to bolster the vulnerable batting line-up of the Tigers.

Veteran Mashud scored an unbeaten 12 in the miserable first innings total of 89 and then was exposed in the second innings when he invited an inswinger between his bat and pad from Lasith Malinga on the fourth morning. That opened the door for Sri Lankan to pick the remaining five wickets within 30 minutes.

Mushfiqur has so far played two Tests, the last of which was against the same opponents at his home ground where he made 2 and 0, as a specialist batsman to score only 24 runs but this time the team management wants to give him the full job as they believe that it is the right time to try the young man in the demanding position. It was learnt that there was a consensus about the change.

The only problem With Rahim is his worth as a 'keeper as he impressed many by his batting in the World Cup in West Indies but his keeping was still not up to the mark.

Bangladesh is also thinking on a third seamer as the P Sara wicket is likely to be in the faster side and in that case Mohammad Sharif will replace left-arm spinner Abdur Razzak while Mehrab Hossain was also in consideration to make his Test debut.

Coach Shaun Williams did not rule out the chance of a few changes but said that they are yet to take the final decision.

"Yes, a couple of changes are not unlikely. We can make a few changes for the sake of the team combination. We need to bat for long periods. We are focusing on the batting," said the young Australian coach.

Although there was much talk about the negative things of the Tigers after the first match's performance, the interim Bangladesh coach said that he hardly has any problem to motivate his side for the second Test match.

"The players are wholly motivated because I am focusing only on the positive things. Our third day batting was what we exactly need to show our improvement. The way the top order batted throughout the third day was encouraging and I think we can take inspiration from the positives," he explained.

He also disagreed with people who believe that seven years is a long time for a country in the Test arena to show their mettle.

"I don't think seven years is a long time and I just request everybody to go through the history of the game of the other countries. There is no shortcut. There is a structure and passion with the game in Bangladesh and we just have to do all the things properly. It is just a matter of time that Bangladesh start to play good Test cricket," he explained.

"I don't want to be critical on my boys. Yes, others might think differently but I have a very simple philosophy of not being critical," he said.

"Tough one to answer" was his reply when he was asked whether he has a team that is too young for Test cricket."

Way to go Shaun.

sandpiper
July 2, 2007, 03:04 AM
well done, Mushy and Mehrab Jr. should get a chance immediately

PoorFan
July 2, 2007, 03:30 AM
"Tough one to answer" was his reply when he was asked whether he has a team that is too young for Test cricket."
<!--StartFragment -->Hmmm ... quite a diplomat. Do something BD boys!!! Take it as there is no other day! Come on boys ...:flag:

cricket_dorshok
July 2, 2007, 06:14 AM
So three change for the 2nd test:
Mushfiq, Mehrab and Sharif in place of Pilot, Sakib and Razzak.
Bangladesh: Javed Omar, Nafees Ahmed, Rajin Saleh, Habibul Bashar, Mohammad Ashraful (capt), Mehrab Hossain, Mushfiqur Rahim (wk), Shahadat Hossain, Mashrafe Mortaza, Mohammad Rafique, Mohammad Sharif.
cricinfo (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvbdesh/content/current/story/300351.html)

shamster
July 2, 2007, 06:18 AM
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvbdesh/content/current/story/300351.html

Looks the expected changes have happened.
Mashud dropped for MRahim
Shakib dropped for Mehrab
Razzaq dropped for M Sharif

I feel for Shakib I hope he is strong enough to maintain his good form in ODI and there is help for him to change the way he plays in Test, even more reason that these boys do need to play 4 day games before entering tests. I hope he does not take this bad and believes in him self, because I would loe to see him return as a better player. I would have liked Rasel in fabour of Sharif I guess they looked at his all round abilities and old bowl use I hope he grabs his chance. I think Sharif will do well tomorrow.

SS
July 2, 2007, 06:39 AM
I don't think we will have anything extraordinary even for all these changes. Not sure why BCB still too slow to introduce longer league version and also to get top run getter and top bowler(wkt taker) from national league atleast to give it a shot wheter national league is really helping or it is used for 'picnic'.

Sohel
July 2, 2007, 06:41 AM
Rasel's B-day: July 3rd ... day 1.
Ash's B-day: July 7th ... day 5 ?
Golla Jr's B-day: July 8th ... the day after ?

Talk about a B-day series ... GO CANCERIANS !

Aritro
July 2, 2007, 06:47 AM
I saw very little from Sharif during the second test of the India series that suggested that he's anything other than a well below par Test cricketer.

Rasel, at least, took quite a few wickets during the last series in Sri Lanka and could benefit from a pitch with a green tinge.

Sohel
July 2, 2007, 06:57 AM
I saw very little from Sharif during the second test of the India series that suggested that he's anything other than a well below par Test cricketer.

Rasel, at least, took quite a few wickets during the last series in Sri Lanka and could benefit from a pitch with a green tinge.

Agree with you 100%. Sadly, it has never been about reason bro ... it's all about lobbying close to Faruikka and Ata's hearts and their alleged minds, wallowing in a delusional world without the dual benefit of accontability and self-respect. I can't wait to see them get exactly what they deserve. I despise them, and more importantly their TYPE.

SS
July 2, 2007, 07:44 AM
Sharif might be chosen over Rasel for one reason, which might be his ability to bowl and use old ball. Still think, he won't be any big help but just filling out our bowling quota so that we can bowl two days straight. It's getting very difficult for our pacers to bowl for two days straight. SL, as usual, no matter what bowling combination we choose will go for throttle and score really big this time also. Recently our bowlers are failing to get wickets or break big partnership.
Batting wise, we might get 250+ even we bring three changes, we might last little longer, but what we can expect from batters who didn't have sufficient experience in first class cricket or longer version of the games.

Rabz
July 2, 2007, 07:57 AM
Our wish for team changes has been met.
Now can our wish for the result be met also??

I thought it was a hard call on Sakib. He should have been given atleast one more chance.

Well, good luck Mehrab Jnr on his debut.

SS
July 2, 2007, 08:04 AM
I think Mehrab was called only for his compact techniques and ability to bat longer. But selectors or BCB do not understand it's not just techniques but its the practice and participation in first class leagues that matters. There is no point of filling up our national team with talents with all these young batsmen when they don't even enough adequate experience in first class.

Tigers_eye
July 2, 2007, 08:36 AM
the selectors had to muck up things one way or another. Test or ODI position to them is a merry-go-round. Whimsically just give a chance to someone and take it away in similar fashion without explanation or without looking at performance. Doesn't matter what it does to the youngster. Sakib'rey ato agey shujog'i ba dilo kano, ar ek test khelar por'i ba bad dilo kano? 3rd test'a ki abar nibey jokhon ar series'a ek jon kharap khelbey?

We have the most important position in the team 2nd down, to a person who can't buy runs. No matter what the past was, his string of failures still goes unnoticed.

I am sure in six months people would forget his horrible perfomance just by looking at "ah!! he is the only batsman for BD who has 30 average." Bull sh*t.

Baundule
July 2, 2007, 09:41 AM
Another brainless change, just to hide the actual reasons for the failures. The first match was not lost because of the stupid performances of a person or two. It was a complete failure of the whole team, including the players as well as the management.

On what basis did they select the team for the first test? And now on which basis, they decide that these 3 are worse and they must be replaced right after playing a single test?

This is absolutely poor crappy stuffs; though I did not expect anything better from the genius management.

akabir77
July 2, 2007, 09:45 AM
This is what i was afraid about. They dropped sakib who was not clearly ready but what the hell was selectors doing if they can't judge that before the game? they need to try out every player to see who is ready who is not? then by 2020 i think it will be turn to play and see if i am ready or not...
Now they gave chance to Mushfiq. Ok no problem but if he also gets dropped in near future then what will happen do you guys know?
Our Good fighting ODI team will be effected. I hope Sakib doesn't lose his confidence in ODI but i doubt it(hope i am wrong). And these selections and dropping will cost us dearly in our ODI game...

Kabir
July 2, 2007, 09:46 AM
Completely disappointed with the change of Sakib. Mohammad Sharif is simply unnecessary. I really don't think he's a cricketer...he might wanna try football. Otherwise, I would've liked Rasel in place of Razzak.

Unfortunately, the selectors have only one thing in mind - batting lineup.

akabir77
July 2, 2007, 09:46 AM
I think HANDS DOWN TUSHER IMRAN should have been called for that position instead of giving new players a try out

Miraz
July 2, 2007, 09:50 AM
I saw very little from Sharif during the second test of the India series that suggested that he's anything other than a well below par Test cricketer.

Rasel, at least, took quite a few wickets during the last series in Sri Lanka and could benefit from a pitch with a green tinge.

You have to take into consideration that he was not even in the squad against India and was rushed back to the squad due to last minute injury of Shahadat. It was a surprise call for him.

This time he is ready and training with the squad for a good amount of time. I believe we will see a much more capable bowler in the 2nd Test.

Miraz
July 2, 2007, 09:52 AM
I am quite happy with the changes. Razzak might be a touch unlucky but on a green top wicket you have to take an extra seamer. Sharif's batting ability gave him the edge over Rasel.

I was expecting the change of Shakib and Mashud.

WarWolf
July 2, 2007, 09:53 AM
48 test caps in 46 matches. That tells us the story. Bringing someone unready and throw him when he failed to deliver. There should be some good guidelines for selection process. They dont have the rights to waste our national talents continuously.

mali007
July 2, 2007, 10:01 AM
Sharif bashers,
Before you made ugly comment on Sharif , please review his statistics. He was one of the most promising pace bowler. Due to his recurrent groin injury he was out for a while.
Now he is fit and he has proved that in the warmup match.

Aritro
July 2, 2007, 10:21 AM
You have to take into consideration that he was not even in the squad against India and was rushed back to the squad due to last minute injury of Shahadat. It was a surprise call for him.

This time he is ready and training with the squad for a good amount of time. I believe we will see a much more capable bowler in the 2nd Test.

It wasn't so much the wayward length that worried me. I assumed he was having a bad day.

It was more the total lack of carry and penetration. The pitch may have been a shambles but Mortaza and the Indian seamers coped with it a lot better than Sharif did.

But I'll reserve further comment until I see him bowl during this match.

Shafin
July 2, 2007, 10:23 AM
the selectors had to muck up things one way or another. Test or ODI position to them is a merry-go-round. Whimsically just give a chance to someone and take it away in similar fashion without explanation or without looking at performance. Doesn't matter what it does to the youngster. Sakib'rey ato agey shujog'i ba dilo kano, ar ek test khelar por'i ba bad dilo kano? 3rd test'a ki abar nibey jokhon ar series'a ek jon kharap khelbey?

We have the most important position in the team 2nd down, to a person who can't buy runs. No matter what the past was, his string of failures still goes unnoticed.

I am sure in six months people would forget his horrible perfomance just by looking at "ah!! he is the only batsman for BD who has 30 average." Bull sh*t.
Wait,this one is Sumon's last chance,if he cant click this time,he will follow pilot.

Shafin
July 2, 2007, 10:26 AM
I think HANDS DOWN TUSHER IMRAN should have been called for that position instead of giving new players a try out
I agree.

SS
July 2, 2007, 10:30 AM
You all know we have only two quality pacers in our current national team for test level. Rasel is improving no doubt, but others can cause no problems especially to a team like SL. No matter whom we bring, it will be the same. SL will again score 600+ and we will not be able to take all their wickets.
Sharif's inclusion might just help our captain use him in middle overs as we will be bowling for two straight days!!! Imagine if Mash,Shahadat are used all the time.
I understand Rasel played well, but if Sharif fails most probably we will see Rasel again in third test or forthcoming tests in next year!!!

SS
July 2, 2007, 10:32 AM
I think HANDS DOWN TUSHER IMRAN should have been called for that position instead of giving new players a try out
Tushar Imran is unlucky as ever(perform great in practice but perform ordinary in real games...but he is young and have time)...and he will not be seen in squad permanently as will remain as "Tushar" which we never see in BD.

SS
July 2, 2007, 10:36 AM
2nd test BD will be played differently as both coach and captain mentioned in interview that they want to bat for full four sessions. This clearly indicates that we will play slow cricket. SL bowlers will have extra mental advantages. They are always aggresive, and being more defensive will just make thing go towards them. But we have no options as we now know our limitations and we are just focusing on improvements.

Murad
July 2, 2007, 10:42 AM
i think its good squad.. i wanted to give sakib another chance.. he doesnt look like a test batsmen though...

Mehrab is a good middle order batsman who occationaly opens the innings.. but donno why selectors picked him as a opener.. He performs better as a middle order batsman.. i think he will do fine.. as he did good in the last series with A/Academy team last month. He's been playing 4-day matches a lot against Srilanka, England and Pak Academy.. so he would be better than Sakib.. Hope he delivers good..

Sharif is not that bad bowler.. He couldnt do good in India test that doesn't mean hes gonna do bad in this test.

Mushfique is a good middle order batsman but i doubt his wicket-keeping ability.. Hope he does good..

Kabir
July 2, 2007, 10:51 AM
Our latest tour bulletin.

Bangladesh opt for stronger batting order in second Test

2 July, 2007
The heavy innings defeat suffered by Bangladesh in the first Test in Combo has triggered three changes in the side for the upcoming second Test in P Saravanamuttu Stadium in Colombo. Mushfiqur Rahim, Mohammad Sharif, and Mehrab Hossain Jr. are set to replace Khaled Mashud, Abdur Razzak, and Sakib Al Hasan.


Mushfiqur Rahim is set to take over as the keeper, who is also expected to make the batting order stronger.

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/../html/images/read_art.gif Read the rest of the bulletin » (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/../tours/2007/INT/BD_IN_SL/tour.php)

MohammedC
July 2, 2007, 10:54 AM
48 test caps in 46 matches. That tells us the story. Bringing someone unready and throw him when he failed to deliver. There should be some good guidelines for selection process. They dont have the rights to waste our national talents continuously.

Its actually 47th test cap in 48 test match.

SS
July 2, 2007, 11:05 AM
Do you guys think this guy is little lucky for not sitting for 2nd test. The stamps are visible, any batting experts care to explain this.

http://www.tigercricket.com/pgallery/Bash_1707.jpg
tigerCricket

Mahmood
July 2, 2007, 11:20 AM
Musfiq deserved this, no way to counter that. However, I am yet to be convinced about Mehrab and Sharif. Lets hope they can prove their selection.

WarWolf
July 2, 2007, 11:48 AM
Its actually 47th test cap in 48 test match.
Thanks brother. Actually my memory betrayed me.

DAC
July 2, 2007, 12:01 PM
Good luck to those who got selected.

Happy to see Mushfiq in place of of Pilot. I thought it's too early yank Saquib out of the team who didn't get time to settle down in test arena. My uneducated selection would have been Rasel over Sharif. I feel bad for Rasel, because just like another player Rana (R.I.P), he consistently delivers whenever selected (though not flashy) only not be considered in next series.

Looking forward to better showing in 2nd test.

One World
July 2, 2007, 12:43 PM
I am not sure presence of Sharif is going to make any cheetah effect on our pace attack.

Dhakablues
July 2, 2007, 03:02 PM
Sharif was selected for his batting not bowling per se. Its not like we had a Nathan Bracken or Shaun Tait sitting around in the camp anyways,, who else would they have picked?
As for the picture goes:,,, I think maybe Mushfiq moved inwards after playing that shot,, otherwise he is as dumb as Rasel as a batsman

Zobair
July 2, 2007, 03:45 PM
If you are referring pic in #163...I believe that is Bashar.

Sharif was selected for his batting not bowling per se. Its not like we had a Nathan Bracken or Shaun Tait sitting around in the camp anyways,, who else would they have picked?
As for the picture goes:,,, I think maybe Mushfiq moved inwards after playing that shot,, otherwise he is as dumb as Rasel as a batsman

Padosan
July 2, 2007, 03:52 PM
yay, Mushfiq in atlast.

I feel sakib got a hard treatment, he is one of the cooler batsmen around. Just shldnt discourage this young man, hmm on the other thought, why not drop or "rest" bashar and play sakib instead ??

cheers !

AsifTheManRahman
July 2, 2007, 04:10 PM
Do you guys think this guy is little lucky for not sitting for 2nd test. The stamps are visible, any batting experts care to explain this.

http://www.tigercricket.com/pgallery/Bash_1707.jpg
tigerCricket

lol. for one, he's playing away from the body off the backfoot. then the angle of his bat is such that it increases the chances of the ball popping up in the air rather than sliding along the ground.

the fact that all three of his stumps are exposed, along with the position of his bat also shows that he was either unable to get behind a ball that pitched around middle/off stump (he'll be in danger if he does that in a test match against a moving ball), or that he did get behind the ball, except that it pitched on or outside leg and deserved to be glanced away or defended on the on side.

then again, this is just a picture, and doesn't tell you the point of impact, i.e. this might be way after the ball had hit the bat. besides, bashar's never been technically sound - it's always been all about the hand-eye coordination. whatever works :)