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Sadz
June 28, 2007, 04:10 PM
Hi Guys this is the post match response from Ash that I got off cricinfo;

For Mohammad Ashraful it was a tough beginning as Bangladesh captain. He admitted that he had a lot to learn sitting in the hot seat and also cited his side's limited opportunities at the Test level as the reason for the defeat. He also took heart from the team's improved showing in the second innings, posting a more respectable 254 after they were bundled out for 89 in the first.

"I wouldn't have played those irresponsible shots if I had a little bit of experience," he said. "I will learn with every game. Our second innings performance proved that if we concentrate hard it is possible to play quality bowlers. For most of the second innings we actually stuck to our game plan and it came out pretty good. That is the confidence we will take going into the rest of the series."

When asked whether they missed the services of their former coach Dav Whatmore, Ashraful replied: "It's very natural to miss someone like Whatmore because he has helped Bangladesh cricket a lot. The team hasn't had any problem with the new management and the coaching staff."

Hmmmmm so Ash says he needed a little bit more experience then. Im sure a couple of years of cricket in the big arena is "little experience". Anyways I hope he learnt his lesson cos this time he really admitted it and he must be fed up.

Go_Bangladesh
June 28, 2007, 04:18 PM
well he did learn from his first innings mistake as he did not play a single hook or pull shot in his second innings

WarWolf
June 28, 2007, 04:21 PM
More than 100 ODIs and 35 tests is really a little experience. After he ends up playing 500 ODIs and 175 tests, we need to consider him an experienced one.

Tigers_eye
June 28, 2007, 04:22 PM
we passed from infacny to early childhood. It will take time. Next step would be youth. Then we can be grown ups. Regular tests and more first class games would speed up the process.

israr
June 28, 2007, 04:27 PM
we passed from infacny to early childhood. It will take time. Next step would be youth. Then we can be grown ups. Regular tests and more first class games would speed up the process.

Yeah, we need more ingestion of "nutrition" which you mentioned, hence speeding up the process of our growth.

Ahg984
June 28, 2007, 04:34 PM
I guess an average career of a player, with a steady place in his team, spans about 300 ODIs and 125 Tests. So M. Ashraful still has 2/3rds of his career left. Hope he starts to deliver soon for the sake of Bangladesh's cricket.

One World
June 28, 2007, 09:09 PM
#4 says it all.

Cryin Out
June 28, 2007, 09:25 PM
I guess an average career of a player, with a steady place in his team, spans about 300 ODIs and 125 Tests.....

I really hope that you're joking/ being sarcastic with that comment of yours.

shaoun
June 28, 2007, 10:01 PM
i said many times before that ashraful doesnt have any quality to be a captain. i saw him after the match when they called the losing captain, the big smile he had in his face was like bangladesh won the world cup or something. it was a big mistake making ashraful the captain. this is not the first time i said it i said the same thing when he was first given captaincy. i am sure in very near future alot of people will agree with me.

Murad
June 28, 2007, 11:55 PM
He's right about the experience part.. They dont play test matches that much.. They play around 6-8 tests per year.. and not much first-class matches either.. So whatever he said is very true.. Yes you can say he played 35/36 test matches and that is enough for experiences.. you have to see that in 7 yrs time he played only 36 matches.. and other players from the elite team would have played around 60 test matches in the mean time.. so its not enough for him or other players... They have to play first class matches regularly to gain test experience... They are lacking experiences and patiences.. They can gain them by playing longer version of cricket only..

Murad
June 29, 2007, 12:00 AM
i said many times before that ashraful doesnt have any quality to be a captain. i saw him after the match when they called the losing captain, the big smile he had in his face was like bangladesh won the world cup or something. it was a big mistake making ashraful the captain. this is not the first time i said it i said the same thing when he was first given captaincy. i am sure in very near future alot of people will agree with me.

i think you are wrong about his captaincy.. he did pretty good in the field as a captain.. you can't deny that if u have watched the game.. otherwise u wudnt know.. this was his internation match as a catpain.. and i think given time he will improve a lot.. just have patiences.. we will see better results in near future inshallah..and he will be the best captain bd ever had..

and there was nothing wrong in smiling.. and i don't think he wanted him to cry in front of the camera that time.. did u?

One question.. who did you think has more quality than him as a captain in the current team??

Foozy
June 29, 2007, 12:05 AM
well he did learn from his first innings mistake as he did not play a single hook or pull shot in his second innings

i ditto that..!!

Tokyobreeze
June 29, 2007, 12:17 AM
.. you have to see that in 7 yrs time he played only 36 matches..

If playing for 7 years doesn't teach how to be responsible while selecting shots, I guess we have to wait for Ash to become around 40 year old to be experienced? No?

Playing more tests every year would help, no doubt. But, that's not in our hand. ICC decides that. But, on a serious note, time should teach u something too, just not the frequency. And, 7 years is not a small duration. Many players career have ended before they could continue playing irresponsibly for 7 years.

Merit without application is not of much use.Ash is taking too long to grow up, I just hope someday he really grows up.Someday.

cricketboy
June 29, 2007, 12:23 AM
I think what he meant was he doesnt get scope to play many longer version matches but it came out wrong. 36 tests is enough experience. Don Bradman played like 52 or something test if I remember right(and averaged 99.94).

Murad
June 29, 2007, 12:24 AM
....Ash is taking too long to grow up, I just hope someday he really grows up.Someday.


You are right on that.. He's really a slow learner.. Its the age i gues.. hes only 23 now.. And now hes becoming more mature.. within 1/2 yr i hope we see the true ash...

Rabz
June 29, 2007, 03:19 AM
You are right on that.. He's really a slow learner.. Its the age i gues.. hes only 23 now.. And now hes becoming more mature.. within 1/2 yr i hope we see the true ash...

yeah mate....we are actually seeing the true ash....(chai)...
what he needs to do is act as one of the most experienced member of the team.

Antora
June 29, 2007, 03:22 AM
what the ..... he keeps saying he has little experience!! and i thought he was the one who score the first test century at the age of 14..... oh well lets hope they learn from their mistakes!!!

PoorFan
June 29, 2007, 03:43 AM
I shall wait and see if he really change after being captain, I am counting on his captaincy may make the trick, otherwise its all old talking ' I / we am/ are learning' without any sign of it.

shadman
June 29, 2007, 06:33 AM
BD players are not doing good in test because they don't want to do. They still think like menows. That is the problem. Most of the win in odi comes against weak team so we can't say that we are a very good odi team. Does our player really looks very confident against big teams

israr
June 29, 2007, 07:26 AM
Their attitide in test matches need to be changed. It seems as if they are awed by strong opponents in test cricket. Instead of saying to drag a test into the 5th day, we must seriously start thinking of winning one.

Ahg984
June 29, 2007, 08:19 AM
I really hope that you're joking/ being sarcastic with that comment of yours.

no i was serious, i looked up the stats of a few established players with long careers and those are the approximate numbers i get. on 2nd thought, i would revise the numbers down to 100 tests and 250-300 ODIs.

Alien
June 29, 2007, 08:42 AM
One lesson Ashraful needs to learn above all is that learning is a never ending process. So sorry, can't wait for him to finish his learning. Either perform better or give captaincy to someone who learns faster or learns before the game starts not ponder into an innings defeat.

There goes a saying "Experience is the name we give to mistakes" - Oscar Wilde.

WarWolf
June 29, 2007, 08:52 AM
One lesson Ashraful needs to learn above all is that learning is a never ending process. So sorry, can't wait for him to finish his learning. Either perform better or give captaincy to someone who learns faster or learns before the game starts not ponder into an innings defeat.

There goes a saying "Experience is the name we give to mistakes" - Oscar Wilde.
It was his first game as captain and we started questioning his captaincy!!!:hairpull:

Baundule
June 29, 2007, 09:04 AM
Usual Basharlike statement. Nothing new in it.

sheikh
June 29, 2007, 09:41 AM
Ash's stupid way of getting out in the second innings does not indicate that he is prepared to learn from experience.

roaring tigerz
June 29, 2007, 09:54 AM
I wouldn't take Ashraful's comments seriously. A lot of what he intends to say is lost in translation due to his limited english speaking ability. I would urge everyone to wait longer to reach a verdict on Ashraful's captaincy. Personally, I feel that appointing him as captain is the best decision both for the team and for Ashraful personally.

OZGOD
June 29, 2007, 10:05 AM
"I wouldn't have played those irresponsible shots if I had a little bit of experience," he said. "I will learn with every game. Our second innings performance proved that if we concentrate hard it is possible to play quality bowlers. For most of the second innings we actually stuck to our game plan and it came out pretty good. That is the confidence we will take going into the rest of the series."


Well, considering he's only played 100 ODIs and 36 Tests, he's a virtual novice at things!

LateCut
June 29, 2007, 10:07 AM
Did Tharanga palyed more matches than Ash? I do not think so. Yet I will take Tharanga anyday over Ash-ra-fool.

OZGOD
June 29, 2007, 10:11 AM
On a more serious note, the reason that Ashraful is not learning from experience is because for so long he has been the anointed one - his place in the side has been nearly indispensable. He is usually not held accountable for technical or mental flaws in his game which require remedial work outside of international cricket, because of the fact that he is a talented player. If he was in an OZ side he would have been dropped and told to work on his game (mental and technical) in domestic cricket. Remember how Damien Martyn was dropped for SEVEN years from the Test side for his rash shot in the series against SA in the early 90s? He was dropped not because he played a bad shot, but because it gave an insight into the immaturity in his game and the fact that he was not mentally ready for Test cricket.

I noticed that in the subcontinent, people seem to value natural talent over willingness to learn, because it's the same situation with India's cricketers - Sehwag is a good example. He was persisted with for so long even though on non-flat wickets he has a horrible technique, because he has talent. Talent is only useful if you apply it consistently to get results.

SS
June 29, 2007, 11:23 AM
. If he was in an OZ side he would have been dropped and told to work on his game (mental and technical) in domestic cricket. Remember how Damien Martyn was dropped for SEVEN years from the Test side for his rash shot in the series against SA in the early 90s? He was dropped not because he played a bad shot, but because it gave an insight into the immaturity in his game and the fact that he was not mentally ready for Test cricket.

I wish we had structure or planning like that. Once you sent a player back to leagues, they 'officially' get terminated to be eligible for future come back to the squad.

Electrequiem
June 29, 2007, 03:24 PM
we passed from infacny to early childhood. It will take time. Next step would be youth. Then we can be grown ups. Regular tests and more first class games would speed up the process.

Well said, Tigers_eye bhai.

But how much is considered "regularity"? I mean, we are going from one test match to another without accomplishments worthy of mentioning. How long can this continue? And when I say accomplishments, I don't mean individual successes .. they come and go. I am referring to an overall devotion, diligence, and determination that only rises with each day of each test match. Frankly, we haven't seen that ... yet.

OZGOD
June 29, 2007, 06:07 PM
I wish we had structure or planning like that. Once you sent a player back to leagues, they 'officially' get terminated to be eligible for future come back to the squad.

The funny thing is, it's not really that hard to implement a structured approach. You just need professional administrators with a vision for the game as a whole which is greater than any personal ambitions they may have. It's much harder to find natural talent, that's for sure. BD has the natural talent but it isn't supported by a structure which enhances it and aligns it with results on the field.

Sohel
June 30, 2007, 01:16 AM
we passed from infacny to early childhood. It will take time. Next step would be youth. Then we can be grown ups. Regular tests and more first class games would speed up the process.

Nothing more to add.