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oracle
June 28, 2007, 10:58 PM
Rajesh gets on my nerves a lot but I think this time I have to agree with him, especially on Rajin.:)


As Charlie Austin points out (http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/slvbdesh/content/current/story/299915.html), the defeat must be put in perspective, for Sri Lanka have been especially dominant (http://stats.cricinfo.com/guru?sdb=team;team=SL;class=testteam;filter=basic; opposition=0;notopposition=0;decade=0;homeaway=0;c ontinent=0;country=0;notcountry=0;groundid=679;sea son=0;startdefault=1982-02-17;start=1982-02-17;enddefault=2007-06-28;end=2007-06-28;tourneyid=0;finals=0;daynight=0;toss=0;schedule dovers=0;scheduleddays=0;innings=0;followon=0;resu lt=0;seriesresult=0;captainid=0;recent=;viewtype=r esultlist;runslow=;runshigh=;wicketslow=;wicketshi gh=;ballslow=;ballshigh=;overslow=;overshigh=;bpo= 0;batevent=;conclow=;conchigh=;takenlow=;takenhigh =;ballsbowledlow=;ballsbowledhigh=;oversbowledlow= ;oversbowledhigh=;bpobowled=0;bowlevent=;submit=1; .cgifields=viewtype) at the Sinhalese Sports Club, winning ten of their last 12 Tests, and drubbing the South Africans by 313 runs and an innings and 153 runs on their last two visits.


Considering the tough venue and opposition, Rajin's efforts should be valued more than say SN's stats against Zimbabwe at home. Next we grade the players we need to scrutinize the numbers based on opposition and venue.


Saleh has been pretty consistent too, going past 30 in six of the 12 innings (http://stats.cricinfo.com/guru?sdb=player;playerid=10340;class=testplayer;fi lter=advanced;team=0;opposition=0;notopposition=0; homeaway=0;continent=0;country=0;notcountry=0;grou ndid=0;season=0;startdefault=2003-08-20;start=2005-05-26;enddefault=2007-06-28;end=2007-06-28;tourneyid=0;finals=0;daynight=0;toss=0;schedule ddays=0;scheduledovers=0;innings=0;followon=0;resu lt=0;seriesresult=0;captain=0;keeper=0;dnp=0;recen t=;viewtype=bat_list;runslow=;runshigh=;batpositio n=0;dismissal=0;bowposition=0;ballslow=;ballshigh= ;bpof=0;overslow=;overshigh=;conclow=;conchigh=;wi cketslow=;wicketshigh=;dismissalslow=;dismissalshi gh=;caughtlow=;caughthigh=;caughttype=0;stumpedlow =;stumpedhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewty pe) he has played during this period. His problem, however, has been an inability to convert the 50s and 60s into hundreds; that has restricted his average in the last two years to 31.72, which is still more than what the other Bangladesh batsmen have achieved


<TABLE class=engineTable><CAPTION>Bangladesh's batsmen since May 26, 2005</CAPTION><THEAD><!-- headings for each column go in the "th" cells ---><!-- use class="left" to left-align a cell, otherwise it gets right-aligned --><TR class=head><TH class=left>Batsman</TH><TH>Balls faced</TH><TH>Dismissals</TH><TH>Balls per dismissal</TH><TH>Batting average</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><!-- table data goes in tr/td row groups as like the following ---><!-- use class="left" to left-align a cell, otherwise it gets right-aligned --><TR class=data1><TD class=left>Rajin Saleh</TD><TD>913</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>83.00</TD><TD>31.72</TD></TR><TR class=data1><TD class=left>Khaled Mashud</TD><TD>966</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>50.84</TD><TD>16.15</TD></TR><TR class=data1><TD class=left>Shahriar Nafees</TD><TD>882</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>49.00</TD><TD>27.44</TD></TR><TR class=data1><TD class=left>Javed Omar</TD><TD>917</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>43.67</TD><TD>23.76</TD></TR><TR class=data1><TD class=left>Aftab Ahmed</TD><TD>451</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>41.00</TD><TD>25.27</TD></TR><TR class=data1><TD class=left>Habibul Bashar</TD><TD>862</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>39.18</TD><TD>27.45</TD></TR><TR class=data1><TD class=left>Mohammad Ashraful</TD><TD>809</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>38.52</TD><TD>22.19</TD></TR><TR class=data1><TD class=left>Nafees Iqbal</TD><TD>357</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>35.70</TD><TD>13.60</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/columns/content/current/story/299976.html

WarWolf
June 28, 2007, 11:00 PM
Another typical S.Rajesh stuff. Though he is a lot closer to truth this time.

ammark
June 28, 2007, 11:27 PM
Surprised to see Shahriar Nafees as #4 in that list. By these stats, he's a better opener than JO.... Higher Average, More balls faced per dismissal than JO.

S.Rajesh has convinced me, if an opener has to go, its JO that needs to be dropped! Despite his 50 in the 2nd innings!

And wow, look at Aftab... right after. Beat Ashraful and Bashar. And people say he's a One Day Specialist!

Cant help but feel disappointed how badly these stats reflect on our team

WarWolf
June 28, 2007, 11:33 PM
S.Rajesh has convinced me, if an opener has to go, its JO that needs to be dropped! Despite his 50 in the 2nd innings!

Dropping players won't solve anything. Who will replace JO? Same thing is gonna repeat again. If we really need to drop him then we should look for someone with a bit experience, someone like Nafis Iqbal.

BappyHayat
June 28, 2007, 11:33 PM
Our Players should read this - though I know hardly they will learn from this

Beamer
June 28, 2007, 11:35 PM
Yeah..pretty fair judgement. How can you disagree? Stats in our case don't lie most of the time.

Guy is still irritating though. He must think of us even in his sleep, only to wake up and hurry over to his laptop to catalogue his recent ideas, while Mandira prepares his morning tea. Obsessed with us. You have a feeling that he will dig up much more stuff in the future. He is not done yet...

Surfer
June 29, 2007, 12:01 AM
That table is shocking. Bangladeshi players seriously need to improve.

syzygy
June 29, 2007, 12:18 AM
That table is shocking. Bangladeshi players seriously need to improve.

Well the table is indeed disheartening, i hope the bd players look into these in their own eyes and analyse their own performance in tests. i am surprised to see that ashraful lasts only around 6 odd overs per dismissal and still commits the same mistake again and again. what a waste of talent. except rajin rest look seriously out of touch in the longer version. may be bashar's stats would have been a little better if pre 2005 innings were also considered as i guess he has the highest avg among them all.

al Furqaan
June 29, 2007, 12:37 AM
Yeah..pretty fair judgement. How can you disagree? Stats in our case don't lie most of the time.

Guy is still irritating though. He must think of us even in his sleep, only to wake up and hurry over to his laptop to catalogue his recent ideas, while Mandira prepares his morning tea. Obsessed with us. You have a feeling that he will dig up much more stuff in the future. He is not done yet...

lolllll

the guy is good for releasing some hatred...lol

RazabQ
June 29, 2007, 02:44 AM
wasn't it Al Furqaan who used the term cockroach? Well you know, sometimes cockroaches can be handy - like maintaining life on earth after a nuclear winter. This article by S Rajesh has no apparent made-up statistics - it's painful but accurate.

I still can't get past my suspicion that Mr. Rajesh was jilted by someone of BD origin at some point. Probably a hijra :)

Antora
June 29, 2007, 03:00 AM
ok im confused .. who is S. rajesh? some journalist?

Hatebreed
June 29, 2007, 03:04 AM
Well, seeing how WI won only 1 and lost 14 tests outs of 21 played in the same period of time, it does make me feel we are not in this alone. The article shoves some painful, but undeniable truth in our faces, but I don't see anyone pointing to possible solutions, coz it’s easy to just say we f’d it up. May be Mr. Rajesh and other experts at CI can write an article or two explaining why this is going so wrong and how we can improve.

Rabz
June 29, 2007, 03:12 AM
In all fairness, this wasnt such a bad article by our beloved Rajesh the Roach.
Let him be busy with our team.

Baundule
June 29, 2007, 04:37 AM
He was certainly waiting for the right time for this. ;)

Rubu
June 29, 2007, 07:50 AM
it shows at least one thing: Rajin has been the best test batsman for Bangladesh by a long shot. And, he had been ignored by selectors so many times even though he used almost every opportunity he got. we need more fighters like him.

SS
June 29, 2007, 08:05 AM
Agree with Rubu, Rajin tried to do his best to justify his selection. But few innings he played like other batsmen. But it happens.
Again, we want more players to participate in 'real' national league longer version games, and then we will not 'botch up our Test act". S. Rajesh gives good statistical info, but statistics won't solve all the problems all the time. That will just give you an overall idea, but he is skipping the part of the main cause of the problems. If he would be a well-wisher, he could think little bit outside of 'statistics' box and could write about the root cause of these debacles.

Alien
June 29, 2007, 08:39 AM
Dropping players won't solve anything. Who will replace JO? Same thing is gonna repeat again. If we really need to drop him then we should look for someone with a bit experience, someone like Nafis Iqbal.

I agree. Some new guy (inexperienced as opener) will join up and will take ages to get used to the condition before settling into the position.

On a different note, what choice do we have anyway? Can't just let JO flop like he always does. Opening batsmen have big impact on the team's confidence and he is a bad influence, not just his bad score.

Spitfire_x86
June 29, 2007, 09:02 AM
I agree. Some new guy (inexperienced as opener) will join up and will take ages to get used to the condition before settling into the position.

On a different note, what choice do we have anyway? Can't just let JO flop like he always does. Opening batsmen have big impact on the team's confidence and he is a bad influence, not just his bad score.
We have more than half a dozen ready made replacements for him.

(replacement = at least as good / not worse)

1. Aftab (as opener)
2. Tamim
3. Mehrab jnr
4. Nafees Iqbal
5. Rokon
6. Sezan
7. Hannan

Not all of them are viable alternative at this moment (because of poor form e.g. NI, Hannan), but it's not true that we have no replacement for him. (few of them have realistic chance of doing better)

al Furqaan
June 29, 2007, 10:33 AM
wasn't it Al Furqaan who used the term cockroach? Well you know, sometimes cockroaches can be handy - like maintaining life on earth after a nuclear winter. This article by S Rajesh has no apparent made-up statistics - it's painful but accurate.

I still can't get past my suspicion that Mr. Rajesh was jilted by someone of BD origin at some point. Probably a hijra :)

yea that was me!

"I bury those cockaroaches!"

one of the all time greatest film quotes, Al Pacino in Scarface

al Furqaan
June 29, 2007, 10:36 AM
it shows at least one thing: Rajin has been the best test batsman for Bangladesh by a long shot. And, he had been ignored by selectors so many times even though he used almost every opportunity he got. we need more fighters like him.

not really, he's been a regular in the test side for a while...he was dropped after he bagged a pair at dhaka against india in 2004...and fought his way back into the side...and now is our best test bat.

in ODIs he's been dumped, but its time to replace JO with rajin there.

akabir77
June 29, 2007, 11:47 AM
its funny how we r trying to find who is the best and who is not... please from all D grade students you don't need to look for a higher D to lower D. they r all D's...

If you want to say rajin is our best batsman in TEST and Aftab should be there then i don't see any future in TEST. we need player who has scored 100's in many occastions and know how to score one in TEST as top 5 players

Players like
SHUMON,
SN
TUSHER
GOLLA
KAPALI

should be in top 5
THEN COMES REST
RAJIN
ASH (YES i don't consider him as top 5 material)
MUSHFIQ
Some others from A TEAM.

Its high time to bring back our mid aged batsmen who has been playing for a while.. We lost a whole generation after akram bulbul. And we need at least 2/3 from that generation to hold the fort as Shumon is almost gone and there is no one to fill his shoes.

WarWolf
June 29, 2007, 12:06 PM
Its high time to bring back our mid aged batsmen who has been playing for a while.. We lost a whole generation after akram bulbul. And we need at least 2/3 from that generation to hold the fort as Shumon is almost gone and there is no one to fill his shoes.
Exactly my points. Raw talents mean nothing without experience.

BangladeshFan
June 29, 2007, 12:51 PM
and experience without talent means nothing. look at JO, how many test matches he played, still he pokes outside offstump. There are batsmen who has ample time to play even against the quickest bowler(i.e. lara, tendu, inzi) and there are those who hurries his shot even against a medium pacer. and the problem is, JO just doesnt get better as the innings progress, even at 60 he is prone to same error as he is at 10..... thats why u will see quite a few 50+ but almost no 100(has he scored a 100 yet?) in his long career.

if u have talent, then experience will come and with that u will reduce ur errors. Aftab and tamim should have been in the test squad, i think. aftab is such a good stroke player, i find it hard that he is out of the squad(except ofcourse its meant to give him a lesson).

WarWolf
June 29, 2007, 01:04 PM
if u have talent, then experience will come and with that u will reduce ur errors. Aftab and tamim should have been in the test squad, i think. aftab is such a good stroke player, i find it hard that he is out of the squad(except ofcourse its meant to give him a lesson).
In Bangladesh, we want to make a player matured by putting him in the international arena. This is so wrong. Pakistan has the same habbit. That's why we have seen so many early drops of young talents in Pakistan too. Srilanka has adopted better approach. Their "A" team is the intermediate platform between domestic cricket and international cricket. And this is the way to go.

DJ Sahastra
June 29, 2007, 01:26 PM
wasn't it Al Furqaan who used the term cockroach? Well you know, sometimes cockroaches can be handy - like maintaining life on earth after a nuclear winter. This article by S Rajesh has no apparent made-up statistics - it's painful but accurate.

I still can't get past my suspicion that Mr. Rajesh was jilted by someone of BD origin at some point. Probably a hijra :)

RazabQ,

If S Rajesh is ever guilty of anything, it maybe of lack of sensitivity towards a emerging team of passionate followers.

And if those are the charges, then he is no more guilty than what he is against his home team. You should read some of the damning stats that he comes up with time and time again against his home team and some of the cherished players of his home team.

He is gifted with stats, maybe not so much with sensibilities - i'll give that and it would be appropriate to say that we could live with that.

Sovik
June 29, 2007, 01:51 PM
it was a nice article. bangladeshi players do not deserve any praises. there are few cricketers who have been playing for long time but still not learning from their mistakes

akabir77
June 29, 2007, 02:38 PM
and experience without talent means nothing. look at JO, how many test matches he played, still he pokes outside offstump. There are batsmen who has ample time to play even against the quickest bowler(i.e. lara, tendu, inzi) and there are those who hurries his shot even against a medium pacer. and the problem is, JO just doesnt get better as the innings progress, even at 60 he is prone to same error as he is at 10..... thats why u will see quite a few 50+ but almost no 100(has he scored a 100 yet?) in his long career.

if u have talent, then experience will come and with that u will reduce ur errors. Aftab and tamim should have been in the test squad, i think. aftab is such a good stroke player, i find it hard that he is out of the squad(except ofcourse its meant to give him a lesson).

so u put aftab and tamim and what happens if they (which i think will ) get out quickly in every innings? this has already started destroying sakib. Which will effect our ODI team too. So let them play in the A team and when they r ready yes get rid of Golla but till then we can't have more players just to get exp in NTL team anymore. We need players who has done well in domestic and with A team in the TEST squad...

al Furqaan
June 29, 2007, 02:52 PM
RazabQ,

If S Rajesh is ever guilty of anything, it maybe of lack of sensitivity towards a emerging team of passionate followers.

And if those are the charges, then he is no more guilty than what he is against his home team. You should read some of the damning stats that he comes up with time and time again against his home team and some of the cherished players of his home team.

He is gifted with stats, maybe not so much with sensibilities - i'll give that and it would be appropriate to say that we could live with that.

DJ there must be a triple standard...

1) what you say about someone in a professional environment (e.g cricinfo)
2) what you say about someone in the privacy of your own home (backbiting)
3) what you say about yourself

clearly, there is an already established protocol in place on how a sports journalist should write. point #1 requires the most tact, and #3 the least.

we bash BD all the time, but we do it with love, rajesh does it at best with apathy and i am sure rajesh slams india with love as well.

for the umpeenth time, we are not saying that rajesh is wrong in that BD are a minnow side (in tests at least), but we are saying rajesh goes about his unconstructive critisism in the wrong way.

and for the record, there was nothing wrong with rajesh's article this time - generally speaking since we knocked out his home team from WC07, his writing towards has has actually upgraded. he's now merely insensitive, an upgrade from arrogantly blinded.

Rumz_01
June 29, 2007, 02:52 PM
"The difference between him and the rest of his team-mates isn't a small one either: Saleh bats, on an average, 83 deliveries per dismissal; the next-best, Khaled Mashud, manages just 51. (And the fact that their wicketkeeper bats more than all their other specialist batsmen tells its own story.) "

the guys gt a point...sad but true! :(

makorsha
June 30, 2007, 10:07 AM
This is an interesting article which i believe lots of BC members who frequently go to crickinfo..I would like to know what do you think about this.

The Friday Column
http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/colu...ry/299976.html (http://%5BURL=%22http://%5B/B%5D%5BURL=%22http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/columns/content/current/story/299976.html)

shujan
June 30, 2007, 10:24 AM
Very clear analysis. Hope that bangladesh team look at those stats.

WarWolf
June 30, 2007, 10:33 AM
Very clear analysis. Hope that bangladesh team look at those stats.
This is the area where McInnes is the best.

reverse_swing
June 30, 2007, 10:52 AM
Bhaiya, there is already a thread talking about it!! Mods help needed!!

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=22506

Merged.

Nafis_BD
June 30, 2007, 10:54 AM
Thanks can you delete my post as well including this one as it's not needed!!

Surfer
June 30, 2007, 11:25 AM
DJ there must be a triple standard...

1) what you say about someone in a professional environment (e.g cricinfo)
2) what you say about someone in the privacy of your own home (backbiting)
3) what you say about yourself

clearly, there is an already established protocol in place on how a sports journalist should write. point #1 requires the most tact, and #3 the least.

we bash BD all the time, but we do it with love, rajesh does it at best with apathy and i am sure rajesh slams india with love as well.

for the umpeenth time, we are not saying that rajesh is wrong in that BD are a minnow side (in tests at least), but we are saying rajesh goes about his unconstructive critisism in the wrong way.

and for the record, there was nothing wrong with rajesh's article this time - generally speaking since we knocked out his home team from WC07, his writing towards has has actually upgraded. he's now merely insensitive, an upgrade from arrogantly blinded.

My friend, you must be ready to face criticism as well as accolades at this stage. Bangladesh has given enough room for criticism and deserves quite a bit as well. Journalists like Rajesh come down hard but they deal with facts and statistics. Rajesh has shown clearly what forms the base of his opinions.

As far as the norm of 'being tactful' while criticizing others is considered, the norm simply does not exist. Every journalist has his own style. And had Rajesh used softer words to express his opinions, do you think the truth would have been different? Or do you simply expect foreign journalists to praise Bangladesh cricket irrespective of how they are doing just because 'you assume' that they should be 'tactful?"

zzzz
June 30, 2007, 12:54 PM
I am amazed that instead of commending S Rajesh for so meticulously analyzing BD with hard numbers - people here are accusing him of being biased.

syzygy
June 30, 2007, 12:57 PM
I am amazed that instead of commending S Rajesh for so meticulously analyzing BD with hard numbers - people here are accusing him of being biased.

reality bites!

One World
June 30, 2007, 01:10 PM
I personally enjoyed the article, it was well written and very intelligently put stats to show our deficiency while provided the blue team something to laugh about.

AsifTheManRahman
June 30, 2007, 01:17 PM
I must say this was a pretty decent article, probably the first decent S.Rajesh one that I've read. It is not your regular filled_with_useless_numbers stats article, but rather one that does say something useful.

Nocturnal
June 30, 2007, 01:31 PM
Decent article.

cricketboy
June 30, 2007, 09:44 PM
Surprised to see Shahriar Nafees as #4 in that list. By these stats, he's a better opener than JO.... Higher Average, More balls faced per dismissal than JO.

S.Rajesh has convinced me, if an opener has to go, its JO that needs to be dropped! Despite his 50 in the 2nd innings!

And wow, look at Aftab... right after. Beat Ashraful and Bashar. And people say he's a One Day Specialist!

Cant help but feel disappointed how badly these stats reflect on our team

But you have to temember there are 3 lies, lies, damm lie and then statistics! So Javed at the moment is in top form and Nafees is struggling (although SN is a much better quality batsman.) I hate this S Rajesh, Indiar chamcha.

al Furqaan
June 30, 2007, 10:10 PM
My friend, you must be ready to face criticism as well as accolades at this stage. Bangladesh has given enough room for criticism and deserves quite a bit as well. Journalists like Rajesh come down hard but they deal with facts and statistics. Rajesh has shown clearly what forms the base of his opinions.

As far as the norm of 'being tactful' while criticizing others is considered, the norm simply does not exist. Every journalist has his own style. And had Rajesh used softer words to express his opinions, do you think the truth would have been different? Or do you simply expect foreign journalists to praise Bangladesh cricket irrespective of how they are doing just because 'you assume' that they should be 'tactful?"

where rajesh's articles like the one he just wrote before?

i'm not talking about rajesh forgoing his journalistic style: before this article he had none. i'm talking him about not making a mockery of statistics.

why not exclude all WC teams from WC stats except australia? i mean no one else has won it this millenium...

*******

and you didn't understand points 1-3.

simply put, you can criticize your wife behind closed doors, but if say something, even if its true, its unsolicted, and it would be crossing the line, and i would expect to get hit in the jaw if you're a real man.

talk about your team, talk about my team amongst yourselves...heck all rajesh has to do is get a ICF account. but don't put that ridiculous hubris on a professional website. put it on www.prickswholikecrick.com (http://www.prickswholikecrick.com), or whatever...but not on a premier sports site as a matter of habit.

psj
June 30, 2007, 11:40 PM
I am amazed that instead of commending S Rajesh for so meticulously analyzing BD with hard numbers - people here are accusing him of being biased.

India lost to BD in 2007 WC.Indians cannot talk abt BD being in bad form, ever..Thats how logic runs in BD...

oracle
June 30, 2007, 11:48 PM
Thats how logic runs in BD...


Mr.psj

I have also witnessed scant evidence of logic amongst vast numbers of Indian fans. Pls. don't make useless fleeting statements especially if you notice( or read the thread properly) that most members agreed with the writers evaluations of the players..

That could be interpreted as baiting..

Tintin
June 30, 2007, 11:52 PM
<table class="engineTable"><caption>Bangladesh's batsmen since May 26, 2005</caption><thead><!-- headings for each column go in the "th" cells --><!-- use class="left" to left-align a cell, otherwise it gets right-aligned --><tr class="head"><th class="left">Batsman</th><th>Balls faced</th><th>Dismissals</th><th>Balls per dismissal</th><th>Batting average</th></tr></thead><tbody><!-- table data goes in tr/td row groups as like the following --><!-- use class="left" to left-align a cell, otherwise it gets right-aligned --><tr class="data1"><td class="left">Rajin Saleh</td><td>913</td><td>11</td><td>83.00</td><td>31.72</td></tr><tr class="data1"><td class="left">Khaled Mashud</td><td>966</td><td>19</td><td>50.84</td><td>16.15</td></tr><tr class="data1"><td class="left">Shahriar Nafees</td><td>882</td><td>18</td><td>49.00</td><td>27.44</td></tr><tr class="data1"><td class="left">Javed Omar</td><td>917</td><td>21</td><td>43.67</td><td>23.76</td></tr><tr class="data1"><td class="left">Aftab Ahmed</td><td>451</td><td>11</td><td>41.00</td><td>25.27</td></tr><tr class="data1"><td class="left">Habibul Bashar</td><td>862</td><td>22</td><td>39.18</td><td>27.45</td></tr><tr class="data1"><td class="left">Mohammad Ashraful</td><td>809</td><td>21</td><td>38.52</td><td>22.19</td></tr><tr class="data1"><td class="left">Nafees Iqbal</td><td>357</td><td>10</td><td>35.70</td><td>13.60</td></tr></tbody></table>
I had done the same thing back in March 2005 - http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showpost.php?p=152990&postcount=38 So this gives an exact idea of how much some have changed. Quoting self

http://www.sportstats.com.au/hotscore.html has a list of most 'tenacious' batsmen - ie, the average number of balls that a batsman faced between dismissals. Bradman is on top as usual - his average innings was 164 balls long. At second with 163 is Herbert Sutcliffe. Among current players only Dravid 137, Kallis 130 and Samaraweera 125 last more than 120 balls.

A similar calculation for BD is interesting. On top is Nafis Iqbal. A typical innings of his lasts for 81 balls (shall we say Nafis is half a Bradman ? hmmm. bad joke ). But he was considerably helped by his long innings against Zimbabwe. The second in the list is Rajin Saleh. His batting average is 28.65 but his low SR means that he stays for 77 balls on average. The third, surprisingly, is Tareq Aziz at 73. He scored only 22 runs for twice out, but he consumed 147 balls while doing so.

The next few are :

Rana 69 balls
Omar 65
Bulbul 60.81
Ash 60.11
Bashar 59.69 and
Pilot 57.62
Look how much Ashraful and Bashar have fallen.

oracle
June 30, 2007, 11:57 PM
I think the inclusion of Bulbul makes it interesting. Just shows how ill equiped the current members are to handle the rgors of test cricket.

al Furqaan
July 1, 2007, 11:36 AM
India lost to BD in 2007 WC.Indians cannot talk abt BD being in bad form, ever..Thats how logic runs in BD...

i'll take your bait, cuz in this case the fish will pown the man....


completely wrong. look at this thread...look at the thread around BC...has anyone said anything contrary to rajesh's latest article?

nope, this is the first sensible piece from rajesh and bangladeshis are accepting it, even tho it portrays our team in a negative light. because its true.

all other rajes articles are blatently biased, and have very little truth value to it.

Surfer
July 2, 2007, 12:05 AM
India lost to BD in 2007 WC.Indians cannot talk abt BD being in bad form, ever..Thats how logic runs in BD...

Whats the hell is this logic? Almost every major team has defeated every other team at least once. So no one can talk about no one? Are you on drugs?

Zaheed Mahmood
July 2, 2007, 01:38 AM
I understand Rajesh hasn't been in much of any praise of any Bangladesh effort, however, I haven’t found him guilty of any ill-motive in this article, I rather see him putting a nice effort to bring Rajin Salah to lime light regarding his eligibility in test matches! I don't think his write-up deserves any arguable criticism under any pretext, specially when our assistant coach Sarwar Imran making headlines in CricInfo by admitting, 'Bangladesh were still quite far from being competitive at the Test level.' and also quoting “We have a bunch of talented cricketers but I think we are not mentally tough to sustain at this level."
Zaheed

sandpiper
July 2, 2007, 01:44 AM
who is Rajesh ? :-/

WarWolf
July 2, 2007, 01:50 AM
who is Rajesh ? :-/
Friend of Mahesh and friend's friend of Shitesh.

Just joking. He is an article writer in cricinfo and very well known to the members of BC for his controversial research work on bangladeshi cricket statistics.

sandpiper
July 2, 2007, 02:00 AM
ohhhh ho.... :)
the way you were talking..... I thought him the president of ICC

napoleonIV
July 2, 2007, 04:40 PM
simply put, you can criticize your wife behind closed doors, but if say something, even if its true, its unsolicted, and it would be crossing the line, and i would expect to get hit in the jaw if you're a real man.

talk about your team, talk about my team amongst yourselves...heck all rajesh has to do is get a ICF account. but don't put that ridiculous hubris on a professional website. put it on www.prickswholikecrick.com (http://www.prickswholikecrick.com), or whatever...but not on a premier sports site as a matter of habit.

I do not understand this logic at all. This is not like it is the Indian coach or Indian Captain or someone who represents India in any form wrote the article. Rajesh is a professional in cricinfo who happens to be an Indian. OK - he might have a bias to his country (which is very natural). But that does not mean that we should treat him as an "Indian" when it comes evaluating his article. If his name wasn't mentioned (like many other articles which are written by "Cricinfo Staff") then I don't think you would be able to find it easily that he is in Indian.

israr
July 2, 2007, 05:07 PM
Friend of Mahesh and friend's friend of Shitesh.


:) :D :lol: :floor:

al Furqaan
July 2, 2007, 07:42 PM
I do not understand this logic at all. This is not like it is the Indian coach or Indian Captain or someone who represents India in any form wrote the article. Rajesh is a professional in cricinfo who happens to be an Indian. OK - he might have a bias to his country (which is very natural). But that does not mean that we should treat him as an "Indian" when it comes evaluating his article. If his name wasn't mentioned (like many other articles which are written by "Cricinfo Staff") then I don't think you would be able to find it easily that he is in Indian.

we could take a guess, which would end up being correct. lemme try, the guy who goes under "cricinfo staff" and writes poor articles in the numbers game: hmmm....
if rajesh is a professional, he should act like it.

Hatebreed
July 2, 2007, 07:54 PM
India lost to BD in 2007 WC.Indians cannot talk abt BD being in bad form, ever..Thats how logic runs in BD...

Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin.

Since you're asking for it, all I have to say is we will do it again in WC 2011, and the WC after, and the WC after that. Even if it's the only thing we do.