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tonoy
July 5, 2007, 11:42 AM
It looks like the general has asked for heavy artillary. Tushar will be joining the test squad soon. http://tigercricket.com/newnewsviews.aspx?Columnid=170

cricket_dorshok
July 5, 2007, 11:46 AM
This shows the true nature of our selectors!

ialbd
July 5, 2007, 11:47 AM
“Condition will not be a problem for me because I toured Sri Lanka with the `A’ team few months back. So this time I will try to play a real big innings and cement my place in the Test squad.” Tushar said.

For some reason this sounded like he is selling himself for a spot in the team rather than reflecting his confidence. Then again the english translation can always make things ambiguous. Comon Tushar, lets see what you've got this time.... you know you'll get only one chance....

tonoy
July 5, 2007, 11:48 AM
I am quite happy that hes coming in though. I think this guy really deserved a chance. Now is the time even though he only gets 1 shot at it.

sadi
July 5, 2007, 11:48 AM
Great. Tushar can be a great asset and will go much better than many so called specialist batsman we have in the team.

Tigers_eye
July 5, 2007, 11:49 AM
This shows the true nature of our selectors!
Now farooq is proving his critics. Why so many shuffle? This will not save his rear.

cricket_dorshok
July 5, 2007, 11:51 AM
Anyway, whom he will replace? I wish Hablu, but never gonna happen, they (management) will drop Jr. just after one test. And again, these prove why so many talents wasted in BD cricket.

Fazal
July 5, 2007, 11:53 AM
The way he is shuffling players after each game ... looks like Faruk is in Panic Mode... desparate to save his rear.

But the problem is ... he is not shuffling the non performing players... rather shuffling the young players.... why bringing new young players if you don't trust them or stick with tthem beyond one game?

When you have Gullu, SN, Bashar, Pilot(1st test), Rafiq ... all are kind of out of form or loosing their edge in the lineup... A Mehrab here and a Shafiq there or a Tushar somewhere is not going to save your rear.

tonoy
July 5, 2007, 11:55 AM
Im guessing they will replace Mehrab jr. I mean you gotta admit mehrab didnt look good at all at the batting crease. Then again, Mehrab does deserve another shot at it.

cricket_dorshok
July 5, 2007, 12:00 PM
Im guessing they will replace Mehrab jr. I mean you gotta admit mehrab didnt look good at all at the batting crease. Then again, Mehrab does deserve another shot at it.
You can't drop a youngster just after one match regardless his performance. But the truth is they will do it. In the same line (moronic nature of our team management) we lost a lot of promising talents in the past, we are doing now and ..........

FaridpurChicago
July 5, 2007, 12:07 PM
The way he is shuffling players after each game ... looks like Faruk is in Panic Mode... desparate to save his rear.

But the problem is ... he is not shuffling the non performing players... rather shuffling the young players.... why bringing new young players if you don't trust them or stick with tthem beyond one game?

When you have Gullu, SN, Bashar, Pilot(1st test), Rafiq ... all are kind of out of form or loosing their edge in the lineup... A Mehrab here and a Shafiq there or a Tushar somewhere is not going to save your rear.

I don't blame Faruq (& co.) for all these debacle and changes. The selectors need to consider other factors and can't always go by their likings. Faruq was about to lose his job for not considering Pilot in the WC. I can remember even Raqibul Hasan said in channel i that Faruq did it for his personal reason. All the big mouths told the same citing leakage of the deal by Pilot. Faruq couldn't save his job, had he axed Hablu or SN. But for Tushar Imran, I definitely blame Faruq.

Nafis_BD
July 5, 2007, 12:07 PM
Great news that Tushar is getting a chance and hope he proves himself but I am a little worried over who he going to be replacing. If he is replacing Mehrab Jr or someone else like that then I will be really dissapointed. I think He should be replacing Bashar, SN, Jo or someone like that as they didn't prove anything in this whole series and their performance is just not how it used to be!!

mali007
July 5, 2007, 12:11 PM
I think Tushar will replace Bashar. Mehrab deserves another chance. He was put on fire in the 2nd innings ------- Bashar or Ash. should have gone in his position. Also as a bowler, he took two wickets in one over. Faruque should rest his cousin Nafees and give
Sakib another chance. In that case Mehrab can open with JO.

Protic
July 5, 2007, 12:13 PM
Yeh i just hope he gets some runs.

Fazal
July 5, 2007, 12:14 PM
Faruq couldn't save his job, had he axed Hablu or SN. But for Tushar Imran, I definitely blame Faruq.

Well I care less about Pilot, Bashar, Rafiq. Sooner or later they wil be gone. I care more what he is doing with the younger players

I blame 100% Faruk for bringing Sakib, Mehrab (most likely he will be dropped instead of Bashar) and then just drop them after one game. a) Either don't bring these new players or b) if you bring them, stick with them a little longer.

He is screwing up these young players. Even though Tushar is not new, but he is also screwing up his career also. If you bring Tushar atleast give him a series in a row, to help him rebuld his career. Don't do one game here and one game there. Its not helping the team, nor its helping the players.

WarWolf
July 5, 2007, 12:29 PM
I am a bit afraid that he will be a sure candidate of LBW. He has problems in his feet movement against incoming fuller deliveries as I have seen earlier in his career. Tushar please prove me wrong.

AsifTheManRahman
July 5, 2007, 12:47 PM
Oh this is good news. He should've been included from the word go anyways.

I hope they do play him in the third test. It will be pathetic if they fly him all the way to Sri Lanka and, yet once again, make him fly back without playing a game. He should also stay back with the odi squad. I really hope he performs if he gets a chance - it's high time that he does.

Ahmed_B
July 5, 2007, 01:05 PM
No use!
Tushar will be played for 2 matches and dropped again. Management has done this on countless occassions before. Knee jerk at its best: both selecting him and dropping again.

cricketboy
July 5, 2007, 01:13 PM
No use!
Tushar will be played for 2 matches and dropped again. Management has done this on countless occassions before. Knee jerk at its best: both selecting him and dropping again.

Poor guy may just get the last match and be dropped again. :)

Rubu
July 5, 2007, 01:15 PM
This is crazy. As if we are currently lacking any single digit scorer that we would need one more of those.

Sumon77
July 5, 2007, 01:50 PM
thread title looks like..Ash"s clone is coming.

ononto
July 5, 2007, 01:53 PM
I think Tushar will replace Bashar. Mehrab deserves another chance. He was put on fire in the 2nd innings ------- Bashar or Ash. should have gone in his position. Also as a bowler, he took two wickets in one over. Faruque should rest his cousin Nafees and give
Sakib another chance. In that case Mehrab can open with JO.

I am 100% sure Tushar going to replace Bashar.
Mehrab getting two prime wickets and golla having a firm stay in the middle prove themselves enough to leave out from axing. While Shariar is just fine as he is right in the track in shifting the gear from odi to test.
Good move by selector/s, at least they gave Bashar some chance before being replaced.

SS
July 5, 2007, 01:53 PM
Tushing will come and go...another innings defeat on the way.

ononto
July 5, 2007, 02:03 PM
Tushing will come and go...another innings defeat on the way.

True, another defeat is on the way, but I beleive in this shot Tushar will stick with the test squad for a long time as the ill treat of omitting him every now and then has been largely criticized by the media when he had primarily been leaved out for the selection of this test series. And it will be so hard for Bashar to come back after proving himself in the national and premire league competing with youngstars like Dollar, Mahmud so on and so for.

rafiq
July 5, 2007, 02:23 PM
I don;t understand why Mehrab deserves another chance right now. He has no business on the test squad right now, an opener batting at #whatever-it-was. He should go play some FC matches first wherever he can get them. It was a mistake to put him in there in the first place - even Nafis Iqbal or another opener with experience should be brought in to back up JO and SN as opener.

Tushar has never done much for Bangladesh - how many chances will he get?

Rubu
July 5, 2007, 02:44 PM
Tushar has never done much for Bangladesh - how many chances will he get?After each bad defeat, media has to cry about something. This time they could not find much more, so choose Tushar. Other than that, Tushar got more chance only next to Alok and he blew it each and every time. He always do good for A-teams and domestic league and never for the national team. I don't see one reason things will be different now. This series has been particularly hard for each and every batsman due to opposition strength. So, we needed to give some respect there and forget about wholesale changes, but not to be.

zahid
July 5, 2007, 02:45 PM
Good to see Tushar coming in. Hope they replace Habla or SN.

Spitfire_x86
July 5, 2007, 03:22 PM
Other than that, Tushar got more chance only next to Alok and he blew it each and every time.
He played only 4 tests in 5 years (only 2 of them in a row). All of them were away tests, 2 of them were in South Africa.

He got a good number of chances in ODIs, but not in Tests.

nasimul
July 5, 2007, 03:23 PM
Prothom-alo report Tushar will replace Sharif. BD will play with 3 bowlers. Isn´t it crazy decision?

esteban_loaiza
July 5, 2007, 03:24 PM
What confuses Faruq is not Tushar, it is Javed Omar. Faruq wants dearly JO to fail for some reason and assumes he is not going to score anything. So he selects a back-up opener Mehrab so that if JO fails they can replace him right away. Then who to axe? Tushar! Now the whole team is playing so bad they cant replace JO and now they want Tushar too. This has become a circus. May be he made one or two good decision in his tenure but most of the time it is like replacing someone with someone with no apparent reason and idea and not giving enough chance to a player to settle down.

Rubu
July 5, 2007, 03:25 PM
He played only 4 tests in 5 years, only 2 of them in a row. All of them were away tests, 2 of them were in South Africa. Except a 70+ score of Rokon, I can't think of any substantial score of a BD batsman in that tour.And then, he averages in single digit. Playing as a specialist batsman and averaging in single digit after 4 tests, what else do u ask for to tell someone is just not meant for it?

Since he has already been recalled and will be playing in test 3, I wish him all the luck and hope he proves me wrong as its the team that comes first. but, I just don't see it happening.

SS
July 5, 2007, 03:25 PM
Prothom-alo report Tushar will replace Sharif. BD will play with 3 bowlers. Isn´t it crazy decision?
Fazlami korar jaiga paina ...eta ki shotti kobor naki!!

Ehsan
July 5, 2007, 03:26 PM
Prothom-alo report Tushar will replace Sharif. BD will play with 3 bowlers. Isn´t it crazy decision?
Yes. This will put more pressure on our bowlers. I don't understand, why are they ignoring Tapash?!?!

SS
July 5, 2007, 03:27 PM
And then, he averages in single digit. Playing as a specialist batsman and averaging in single digit after 4 tests, what else do u ask for to tell someone is just not meant for it?

Since he has already been recalled and will be playing in test 3, I wish him all the luck and hope he proves me wrong as its the team that comes first. but, I just don't see it happening.
So whom you will bring if you don't like Tushar, Alok, or other rejects...who will gurantee you more runs...

inspyr9
July 5, 2007, 03:29 PM
so i read somwhere tushar is going to play instead of sharif and bd will go with only 3 bowlers in the next test. i think thats a bad idea. tushar should play instead of bashar and we need a 3rd seamer rasel or taposh(if he was fit)

nasimul
July 5, 2007, 03:29 PM
Fazlami korar jaiga paina ...eta ki shotti kobor naki!!
Check today´s Prothom-alo http://www.prothom-alo.org/mcat.news.details.php?nid=NDgzMDA=&mid=OA==

scorpion32
July 5, 2007, 03:32 PM
I blame 100% Faruk for bringing Sakib, Mehrab (most likely he will be dropped instead of Bashar) and then just drop them after one game. a) Either don't bring these new players or b) if you bring them, stick with them a little longer.


Do you want to define how long is your little longer? At least then we will know you are consistent.

Spitfire_x86
July 5, 2007, 03:35 PM
And then, he averages in single digit. Playing as a specialist batsman and averaging in single digit after 4 tests, what else do u ask for to tell someone is just not meant for it?

Since he has already been recalled and will be playing in test 3, I wish him all the luck and hope he proves me wrong as its the team that comes first. but, I just don't see it happening.
What I mean is you give someone few chances in a row before dumping him for good. Outside national team, he performed better in the longer version matches. So why not try him properly for the test matches?

I think Rahim also averaged in single digit before today's 80.

Sillypoint
July 5, 2007, 03:44 PM
The true 'Etim' (orphan) in BD team in Tushar Imran. The way he is toyed around at ease seems he does not have a godfather in BCB. Nafees, Bashar, Pilot, Gullu gets opportunites after opportunities to get back their form by trying their luck playing in the national team. On the other hand, TI after proving himself in A team and domestic league gets the boot with the hint of a failure or not even being tried in the national team.

TI, do you not have a chacha mama or yaar dosht in the BCB or the selection committee?

Murad
July 5, 2007, 03:44 PM
Tushar Imran should be given more chances after the 3rd test (if he plays though). I think he will be a good middle order batsman to replace Bashar.

He's more matured now and i think he will do alright..

cricket_pagol
July 5, 2007, 03:45 PM
I don't think tushar will make a huge difference, but he will be better than hablu for sure.

Don't expect a performance similar to Mushfiqur Rahim, Rahim is Allah er rohom!

nasimul
July 5, 2007, 03:54 PM
<TABLE class=engineTable><CAPTION>Batting averages of Tushar Imran</CAPTION><THEAD><TR class=head><TH></TH><TH>Mat</TH><TH>Inns</TH><TH>NO</TH><TH>Runs</TH><TH>HS</TH><TH>Ave</TH><TH>BF</TH><TH>SR</TH><TH>100</TH><TH>50</TH><TH>4s</TH><TH>6s</TH><TH>Ct</TH><TH>St</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class=data1><TD class=left noWrap>Tests</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>6.87</TD><TD>182</TD><TD>30.21</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=data1><TD class=left noWrap>ODIs</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>547</TD><TD>65</TD><TD>15.19</TD><TD>890</TD><TD>61.46</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=data1><TD class=left noWrap>First-class</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>110</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3192</TD><TD>198</TD><TD>30.99</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD>8</TD><TD>15</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD>29</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=data1><TD class=left noWrap>List A</TD><TD>88</TD><TD>86</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2158</TD><TD>106*</TD><TD>25.69</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD>1</TD><TD>12</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD>26</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Dhakablues
July 5, 2007, 04:01 PM
1. Even musfiq has a single digit test average but he now proves that he is much better of a batsman than hi stat suggest. His FC averages are above 30. Tusher played only few tests and tha too long time back,, he has improved but without actually watchig his game,, commenting based on some reports are juvenile and non sensical.
2. If Tusher is to be included in the playing 11, Mehrab could be prmoted to opening positon and Tusher be at #4. Sharif cannot produce anything in hs 2 outings in test and the ODI with India. Or Shahrier should sit as he is still playing ODI shots to overcome his form recession.
3. After every debacle a change is inevitable. Its not knee-jerking reaction, its the demand to correct the mistakes. India did it, Pakistan did it and any country will do it to ensure the slide dont continue. Bringing Sakib to test was too early and we know what happened. Mushfiq returning after a gap proved better for his cause and he has come back stronger,, same thing can happen with Tushe with all his experience and lessons..I hope after this series, the team should be set for New Zealand tour even if Tusher scores couple of 20s.

Tigers_eye
July 5, 2007, 04:15 PM
And then, he averages in single digit. Playing as a specialist batsman and averaging in single digit after 4 tests, what else do u ask for to tell someone is just not meant for it?

Since he has already been recalled and will be playing in test 3, I wish him all the luck and hope he proves me wrong as its the team that comes first. but, I just don't see it happening.
Bashar in last five test averaged 10. Specialist batsman. And this is not spanning over 4 years but six weeks all in a row. Yet you want him to play 1/2 test? Why the double standard? Age is working against Bashar not Tushar. With this form Bashar is not meant for international cricket.

akabir77
July 5, 2007, 04:28 PM
I think Faruk needs to be shot...

This will ruin tusher carrier and more bd will lose their best constant batsman after shumon just because of this harakari decisions...

BD Tigers
July 5, 2007, 07:27 PM
Tusher will get another ONE OFF chance. Hopefully that's not the case even if he fails. But I am hopefull that he will make some runs Insha Allah.

Now as for only playing 3 bowlers..not sure what to say abt that. Sharif didnt do anything except for giving Mash and Shahadat some rest. So lets say we go w/ 3 bowlers, who will be the 4th bowler? We got Rajin/Tusher off break, Mehrab left arm off break and captain the leggie. Is Kandy pitch a slow pitch? anybody knows?

Rabz
July 5, 2007, 07:44 PM
This probably the last chance Tushar will get. He is our fav merry-go-round player.
I can only hope he scores a century and cements his place in the team and performs consistently then onwards. Cuz right this moment, HB is totally useless.

But then again, he is replacing Sharif.

I have no idea what our team management thinking of playing only 3 bowlers!!

real123
July 5, 2007, 07:51 PM
Mehrab should be replaced by Tushar, Bashar should be there as well. Test match is not a place for grooming someone.

I don;t understand why Mehrab deserves another chance right now. He has no business on the test squad right now, an opener batting at #whatever-it-was. He should go play some FC matches first wherever he can get them. It was a mistake to put him in there in the first place - even Nafis Iqbal or another opener with experience should be brought in to back up JO and SN as opener.

Tushar has never done much for Bangladesh - how many chances will he get?

MohammedC
July 5, 2007, 07:56 PM
This is a joke why do they have to bring him in now. Too late

nahaz
July 5, 2007, 08:01 PM
I don't know what to say! It is really cruel on him to be asked to fly in and save the next test.At the same time,I don't really understand the logic with playing 3 bowlers.If they really wanted to have 3 bowlers,why didn't they take Alok Kapali.He's a quality bowler plus in form experienced batsman.Playing 3 bowlers+Mehrab is extremely defensive.We can't rely on Rafiq for sth great and we can't depend on Mehrab in His 2nd test.that being said, as long as they can avoid getting allout under 150 in both innings ,including a 300+ score,I'd be happy.Here's my Batting order for next test:
Gullu
S. Nafees
Rajin
Ashraful
Bashar
Mushfique
Tushar
Mehrab Jr
Mashrafee
Shahadat
Rafique

Foozy
July 5, 2007, 08:36 PM
Yeh i just hope he gets some runs.

ya... hope he gets some runs... but the thing here is that nafees... well even though not much ... he is scoring around the 20s regularly!!... he is gettin bak in form and we all know its comin ... sooner rather than later now...
hablu on the other hand is on the verge of breakin the records of most ducks and ****... especially by a recent captain!!! its extremely embarassing!! especialy after sayin things like "ill enjoy my batting now"... i mean wat was that all about nywyas??... id recon hes out and tushars in... and ya... mushi and ash both need to b higher up the order (no im not syain it now.. i said it in MANY other threads earlier too!!!)... and nafees needs to b brought down with tushar!!!... now that might make a positive change in teh team!!!
(and for the javed omar haters... well the dude does score runs... and he does make the new ball effect die away by blocking... usually with rajin though... coz nafees and bashar just arent lasting up the order... so ya.. there is some use of him out there... and hes not completely useless... he does make runs too.. and at times.. even good contributions...)

nobody
July 6, 2007, 01:49 AM
This is crazy. As if we are currently lacking any single digit scorer that we would need one more of those.
ditto. He is always a good player in side matches whether A team or first class. Even Alok has a glorious 86 to show againest that he can muster the art. TI has nothing.

akabir77
July 6, 2007, 08:57 AM
ditto. He is always a good player in side matches whether A team or first class. Even Alok has a glorious 86 to show againest that he can muster the art. TI has nothing.

This is why fan like you have the notion that he is not good in intl matches as he gets his chances here and there like this one. Even lara/tendu will have hard time scoring big by flying in for one match without any preparation. And he is not even close to those guys. The current batsmen who played practice matches stayed in that weather for almost a month now still scores 0 then what r the chances of him getting runs.

But make no mistake he should have been in the team in the 1st place cause he is the best consistent batsman we have right now so we have to make sure he stays in the team for long time before throwing him away. But i know whats going to happen. he will score a 0 and fan like you and the selectors will say he is not good and throw him away.

I can't see why people wants to try out new blood and blah blah when there is a guy scoring big scores with A team match after another. if it was in any other nation this wouldn't happen...

riad
July 6, 2007, 09:23 AM
I think Tushar should play in 3rd test and continue to play for atleast couple series evenif he fails. We never tried him like this. He feels outsider.

Though I don't agree how the selectros are playing with his career. I hope this is not another 1 of.... that would never produce good result.

Go Bangladesh

Rubu
July 6, 2007, 09:26 AM
No one can have a blank check for national team (with the exception of Kapali). when TI got his chances he should have used it. True he did not get too many chances in test, but he did get several chances in ODI and he proved only one thing there, he is a choker. Now, if he could prove himself in anywhere I would understand.

Now, look at what he does. Its not that when the played those 4 tests he was out of form or out of match practices. He was scoring heavily in side matches. But when he was drafted in be it ODI or test, he scored in single digit. See the obvious pattern here, side matches and double centuries and real matches and single digits.

Now, I do not know if he is a bully against non quality bowling or not. But to me seems like he is just having a psychological problem. And until you address that there is no point playing musical chair with him. Its bad for him and the team.

sadi
July 6, 2007, 09:33 AM
I predict Tushar scoring some runs in the third test match if he gets the opportunity to play. It is about time when he should do justice to his talent and prove all of his critics wrong. He will be more relaxed this time since it is the last test match and there is no fear of getting dropped. :)

mali007
July 6, 2007, 09:49 AM
Prothom Alo's report of Tushar replacing Sharif may be a false one!! May be its another dirty trics on part of UTPAL SHUVRO to save his buddy Bashar. I hope Tushar will be successful. If I am not wrong I think Tushar scored a DOUBLE CENTURY with A team against India in his early assignments.

Fazal
July 6, 2007, 10:04 AM
How can we already tagged a (still) young player a chocker in all form of cricket when he just played 4 TEST all together out of which:

- 3 TESTs he played in 2002
- 1 TEST he played in 2005
- No TEST he played for last 2 years (approx)
- Only once he was tried in consicutive TESTs.

Whereas our Bashar for example already played 4 TESTs in 2007 alone, and haven't done much so far. With his old age and out of form, we still hope he will regain his form back? or our Nafees already played 4 TESTs in 2007. Will it be fair to call bashar or Nafees also a choker of 2007?

I know he flunked before whatever limited chances he got. But to be fair,its almost 2 years passed, things changes, lets hope he changed a bit and lets keep an open mind. But as akabir77 said, I don't like this "one chance and then you are out for two more years" approach. Thats why I didn't liked this recall from Tushar's career point of view.

It will put too much pressure on him. He need to brought back in relatively pressure free situation with an assurance that he will get miltiple games to prove his merit. This "one chance and then you are out" didn't worked for him before, it may not work again.

This move to brink back Tushar at this stage was purely made to save Faruk's own rear at the risk of shortining Tushar's international career. It has nothing to do with helping Tushar building his career.

Ehsan
July 6, 2007, 10:14 AM
This move to brink back Tushar at this stage was purely made to save Faruk's own rear at the risk of shortining Tushar's international career. It has nothing to do with helping Tushar building his career.

I agree. We should kick Faruk's rear if he drops Tushar for the next series because he could not perform in the last test.

SS
July 6, 2007, 10:17 AM
Still hoping to see not just Tushar but other top performer(in batting, could be a bowler too) of the league. By the way, why there is no league going on right now. Rainy or summer session is considered vacation time or what?

mahbubH
July 6, 2007, 10:40 AM
I don't think Tusher Imran will be successful in test cricket ... he likes to play midwicket too often .. will be good candidate for lbw!! No difference between Mehrab, Shakib, Tusher at this moment!! Better to give Mehrab another chance. Lot of people in Bangladesh who watch domestic cricket regularly think he will be good for test cricket (I know in his first test he was terrible!!).

Baundule
July 6, 2007, 10:48 AM
It looks like the general has asked for heavy artillary. Tushar will be joining the test squad soon. http://tigercricket.com/newnewsviews.aspx?Columnid=170

It is expected that they will play Tushar in the 3rd test. This is absolutely needless.
Our selectors are just morons at their peaks!

akabir77
July 6, 2007, 11:26 AM
No one can have a blank check for national team (with the exception of Kapali). when TI got his chances he should have used it. True he did not get too many chances in test, but he did get several chances in ODI and he proved only one thing there, he is a choker. Now, if he could prove himself in anywhere I would understand.

Now, look at what he does. Its not that when the played those 4 tests he was out of form or out of match practices. He was scoring heavily in side matches. But when he was drafted in be it ODI or test, he scored in single digit. See the obvious pattern here, side matches and double centuries and real matches and single digits.

Now, I do not know if he is a bully against non quality bowling or not. But to me seems like he is just having a psychological problem. And until you address that there is no point playing musical chair with him. Its bad for him and the team.

Can you tell me how many games TI got his ODI chances at a stretch?

Sillypoint
July 6, 2007, 11:50 AM
I agree. We should kick Faruk's rear if he drops Tushar for the next series because he could not perform in the last test.

Read in the newspaper that Faruq said that they now a have long term placement for TI in test. I hope he means what he says....only way for TI to survive is to get a good score in the test....but I am afraid that it will be quite challenging against SL.

betaar
July 6, 2007, 11:51 AM
Watch out Tushar is coming in and getting out.....

It sounds like a mesiah or something is coming for Bangaldesh, as if his presence will change anything. He could live in Srilanka with BD A for all his life but that would not make him prepared for Milinga and Murali. He has to play them for years to be immuned against them, otheriwse it's all in vein. This inclusion, so late in the game, is useless.

Rubu
July 6, 2007, 12:20 PM
Can you tell me how many games TI got his ODI chances at a stretch?The concept of getting chances at a row is over rated. If X plays in all the matches and BD plays in 3 months interval we would consider that as playing regularly but Y if is dropped for 2 matches and if BD plays at a more regular interval, we would say that Y did bad because he did not play regularly. But in practice he might be playing more often than X. I'm not saying this has happened to Tushar, but this concept might not apply to him as he has gotten enough chances all together. Just bringing him in like this is not do any good for his career unless he himself realizes what his problem is and work on solving it.

Just to give you one example: I think it was the last ODI he played and it was against Kenya. He came in at a situation when BD was on a smooth ride toward win without any problem. A wicket falls and TI comes in. He had no pressure what so ever as the game was already won. What he does, he scores a first ball duck.

max410
July 6, 2007, 12:37 PM
Tushar Imran was Never is good form He wont be able to do much , I dont expect anything from him

nobody
July 7, 2007, 03:40 AM
Can you tell me how many games TI got his ODI chances at a stretch?

As Rubu mention contininuty play is over rated for a country like us. But still out of 36 onedays he played 11 ODI at a trot in 2001/2 and 2002/3 season and 9 ODI at a trot in 2005 season.
Can you provide in a reason why one would continue with a batsman who has one score in double digit in eight innings?
Like Alok he is becoming a poster boy of media and fans

nzfan
July 7, 2007, 04:31 AM
Just remember Tusher Imran was shoved into the team at a very young age, i still cannot beleive you people you expect people at the age of 17 or 18 to play like people who are 27-28 it takes time

ononto
July 7, 2007, 05:05 AM
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ononto
July 7, 2007, 05:17 AM
No one can have a blank check for national team (with the exception of Kapali). when TI got his chances he should have used it. True he did not get too many chances in test, but he did get several chances in ODI and he proved only one thing there, he is a choker. Now, if he could prove himself in anywhere I would understand.

Now, look at what he does. Its not that when the played those 4 tests he was out of form or out of match practices. He was scoring heavily in side matches. But when he was drafted in be it ODI or test, he scored in single digit. See the obvious pattern here, side matches and double centuries and real matches and single digits.

Now, I do not know if he is a bully against non quality bowling or not. But to me seems like he is just having a psychological problem. And until you address that there is no point playing musical chair with him. Its bad for him and the team.

Can't agree with you at all.

First of all, he hasn't got enough chances > Because we do not have the luxary to choose from a bunch of quality players from the national/premire league in our country. We are not Australia or England who has many quality clubs, tournaments, leauges etc. where it is hard to screen out who will get the chance in the national squad as there are too many players with same high caliber. Based on what we have, we really need to stick with the players who are doing good consistantly in the league matches and give them steady chances in the topmost level making them experienced to perform well. So considering the level of our cricket at present, giving a player 4 chances in test is like not giving any chances at all. Tushar needs to be there in the team for a long time to make him settle for performing well.

Second, the problem has nothing to do with psychology where it's not a problem at all. Just dragging him in and out might point out our selector's psychological problem to choose the squad.


This is why fan like you have the notion that he is not good in intl matches as he gets his chances here and there like this one. Even lara/tendu will have hard time scoring big by flying in for one match without any preparation. And he is not even close to those guys. The current batsmen who played practice matches stayed in that weather for almost a month now still scores 0 then what r the chances of him getting runs.

But make no mistake he should have been in the team in the 1st place cause he is the best consistent batsman we have right now so we have to make sure he stays in the team for long time before throwing him away. But i know whats going to happen. he will score a 0 and fan like you and the selectors will say he is not good and throw him away.

I can't see why people wants to try out new blood and blah blah when there is a guy scoring big scores with A team match after another. if it was in any other nation this wouldn't happen...

Awesome post Kabir bhai. And Fazal bhai too.

How can we already tagged a (still) young player a chocker in all form of cricket when he just played 4 TEST all together out of which:

- 3 TESTs he played in 2002
- 1 TEST he played in 2005
- No TEST he played for last 2 years (approx)
- Only once he was tried in consicutive TESTs.

Whereas our Bashar for example already played 4 TESTs in 2007 alone, and haven't done much so far. With his old age and out of form, we still hope he will regain his form back? or our Nafees already played 4 TESTs in 2007. Will it be fair to call bashar or Nafees also a choker of 2007?

I know he flunked before whatever limited chances he got. But to be fair,its almost 2 years passed, things changes, lets hope he changed a bit and lets keep an open mind. But as akabir77 said, I don't like this "one chance and then you are out for two more years" approach. Thats why I didn't liked this recall from Tushar's career point of view.

It will put too much pressure on him. He need to brought back in relatively pressure free situation with an assurance that he will get miltiple games to prove his merit. This "one chance and then you are out" didn't worked for him before, it may not work again.

This move to brink back Tushar at this stage was purely made to save Faruk's own rear at the risk of shortining Tushar's international career. It has nothing to do with helping Tushar building his career.

Sohel
July 8, 2007, 05:59 AM
I pray he does well and makes a difference. My heart's there but my money wouldn't be if I was a gambling man. It'd be on Ash, Mushy, Orion, Mash and Shakib after his much needed break.

Nocturnal
July 8, 2007, 06:12 AM
Mehrab Jr = Orion?

Sohel
July 8, 2007, 06:17 AM
Mehrab Jr = Orion?

Yes.

One World
July 8, 2007, 12:31 PM
Inclusion of players within an on-going series is nothing new. Teams always searched in their home bank whenever there was a scarcity of performance. Replacement was necessary and Aftab's inability to play quality spin left selectors with no choice but TI or AK. Definitely Faruk "sees" more prospect in TI than AK (that can be another debate: in the quest of the best from the dressing room).

akabir77
July 9, 2007, 09:42 AM
As Rubu mention contininuty play is over rated for a country like us. But still out of 36 onedays he played 11 ODI at a trot in 2001/2 and 2002/3 season and 9 ODI at a trot in 2005 season.
Can you provide in a reason why one would continue with a batsman who has one score in double digit in eight innings?
Like Alok he is becoming a poster boy of media and fans

Ok so 9 matches and 8 matches r all you need to judge a player. fine. then please drop our captain. And btw this is TEST not ODI. Most of our batsmen doesn't even have a clure (example Sakib) and we put him in the team just to see... And when he got those chance he got dropped deservedly. Now there were tons of players dropped like him from 2001 to 2003. how many r still playing? where r those middle order players like what's his name now doing flight attending instead of playing. Since 2003 after 3 years he is scoring runs with A team when other in that same A team can't even score a 50 and still gets in (example Mehrab Jr.) and you want to tell me that because he could do anything in some ODI 3/4 years ago we will not pick him? Oh btw If shumon showed us in the 1st test that we can attack test bowlers then he showed all of us yes we can attack the world champions in his 23/30 score that he made against australia which we won but the first attack was started by him.

Anyway I wouldn't care if we had tons of players like big team does. but all our new comes can't do anything but they r more talented than tusher. And you know what will happen in 3 years, some fans will say oh sakib got enough chance in TEST so he shouldn't get any more just like tusher is getting now. but we all know how good Sakib is he just needs to have a lot of 4 days games under his belt before he can come back good just like Tusher did.

Beside if don't give a decent chance (not 1 or 2 games here and there) to Tusher then why would any dropped player play good to come back because they will think oh well after so many scores if Tusher can't get in then what's the point.

Please see the big picture here instead of the narrow view.

We may not win a TEST in 5 years(hope that's not true) But we should make sure that there is a proper way for players to build there mentality and come back path after getting dropped

ottawaGuy
July 9, 2007, 10:09 AM
Interesting point raised by akabir77. Lets not forget Tushar's 24 at cardiff followed by a brisk 32 later against England in that series before he had been dropped from the onedayers as well. Important to note that Tushars last test performance had been against the lankans at lanka (similar circumstances) where BD had been bowled out for just 188 and 82. I don't know if Tushar's score of 0 and 3 in that low scoring match was enough to justify his exclusion from tests for the next two years. I think bringing in Tushar for the last test match is part of another hoax where the management is setting him up for another 2 years without tests.

SS
July 9, 2007, 10:24 AM
Tushar will be totally out of sort...Can you imagine Murali with big eyeball and fierce smile bowling to you when you are under pressure to score. Not to mention, pacers who are way better than our bowlers bowling at you. Tushar can only survive if he can overcome the mental block and after scoring few runs, he should be fine! But I don't think SL bowlers will let him go up to that confidence level to play sensibly, and will get him out.
There has to be something critically wrong that caused us scoring so less in first two innings in first two test. SL bowlers are so clever enought to find that but unfortunately not our team nor us even know the reason behind that. Is it pitch, bowl movement, or playing in backfoot, what could be the reason that all t he batsmen fail to score decent runs? Tushar unless a different type of batsmen unlike our top and middle order can survive, otherwise his fate will be same :(

sadi
July 9, 2007, 10:26 AM
Great post Akabir77 bhai. Tushar is one of the player I respect because of his hard work and consistency in domestic cricket and A level. He is one of the very few players in our team who had to really work hard for their place in the national team and if he can cement his place in the team this time, we will clearly see the difference between choosing someone from under-19 team and choosing someone who had enough domestic cricket experience and had to score lots of runs before being a permanent member in the national team. I pray for him.

ottawaGuy
July 9, 2007, 10:31 AM
Tushar will be totally out of sort...Can you imagine Murali with big eyeball and fierce smile bowling to you when you are under pressure to score.

:lol:

Sohel
July 9, 2007, 11:18 AM
Inclusion of players within an on-going series is nothing new. Teams always searched in their home bank whenever there was a scarcity of performance. Replacement was necessary and Aftab's inability to play quality spin left selectors with no choice but TI or AK. Definitely Faruk "sees" more prospect in TI than AK (that can be another debate: in the quest of the best from the dressing room).

Interesting post bro. Again I find myself agreeing with most of what you're saying.

But new inclusions due to injury? Yes. Due to bad selection and/or incompetence? Je ne sais pas. The F-word "seeing" things? Let's just call it the cavalier disregard for details typical of his selections ... Anger Management 101.

47 test cricketers in 48 test matches, that's beyond cavalier in fact. That's a gunslinging gangsta without a clue, and unlimited ammo for his 9mm Beretta.

That said, best of luck Tush ... you'll need it.

Murad
July 9, 2007, 01:12 PM
Understandably, the question has been raised whether this one-match performance would be a criteria for the selectors to make a conclusion on his future.

Selector Akram Khan, who is touring with the team, however, assured a fair treatment.

"Just forget what happened in the past. We hope he will give his best if he ultimately plays the match and I can assure you that his performance here will not be decisive for future selection. He will get the fair treatment,” said the former Bangladesh captain.

Akram have had the experience of joining the team in the middle of the tournament during the 2003 World Cup in South Africa and he is very much aware of how difficult it is for a batsman.

"No doubt it's a big pressure for a batsman but you should cope with this at this level. But Tushar has an advantage as he is considered for the one-day squad,” he explained.

Akram meanwhile, was not ready to explain their U-turn about the inform batsman, whose exclusion from the Test squad had raised a lot of eyebrows.

Chief selector Faruque then defended that Tushar was given enough chance but failed to prove his worth but suddenly, the selectors found that Tushar is an inform batsman who can rescue the team from batting debacles.

"Actually we considered him after our unexpected failure of the top order batting. We thought that Tushar would be a good choice to strengthen the batting," Akram told.
DS (http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/07/10/d70710040134.htm)

Did he really got enough chances??? This Faruiqqa is really getting on my nerves...for his nonsense talkings..

cricketboy
July 9, 2007, 03:02 PM
It is wriiten that if Habla does well in the last test he may be retained for the ODIs. :mad: WHat had Habla's test performance to do with him selected for ODIs. :mad:

reyme
July 9, 2007, 04:15 PM
DS (http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/07/10/d70710040134.htm)

Did he really got enough chances??? This Faruiqqa is really getting on my nerves...for his nonsense talkings..

What else can you expect from a "boka" selector? They learn after the game is over, little brainwork is evident. They are sending Tushar after 2 tests! This kind of moronic decistion tells they are clueless. Putting Tushar in the middle of the series most likely will not do any good.

Fazal
July 9, 2007, 05:02 PM
Too many WATCH OUT player in BD team..... Bagh Ailoo Bagh Ailoo... Bagh to ar Ayee Na.

Dhakablues
July 9, 2007, 05:52 PM
First and foremost, most of the wickets that we lost were due to excellent bowling not because players were flashing around like they used to. God forbid, if they still did those pathetic flashing outside the off-stumps, we wouldve been out in 20 runs max. We didnt and thats because in most cases the players did actually try to play positively ( okay, maybe not always, Shahrier/Rafique).

One thing we, most of the fans and Bangaldesh officials are accomplice in this wrong, totally ignored was how pathetic our bowling was. This prompted Rafique to admit that this tour was his worst ever and he doesnt expect that the 3rd one to be better either ( thats something needs discussion, BTW). We allowed Sri Lanka to score freely against our unimaginative and truly lack lustre bowling. Its not like we were dropping catches or so many lbws were not given ( after all Ashoka is not umpiring). So, bringing Tusher can solve a partial problem... Unless Mashrafee/Rafique start getting more wickets,, the results are the same. Yes, we can attempt to hold out for a draw but for that,, even the bottom 5 needs to hold the turf which with Rafique hitting for 6s was an example of what we cant do. All in all, unless the tail also contribute with batting and the bowlers take atleast 5-6 wickts as they used to,,, bringing Tusher is still a Bashar-isque defensive idea which sometimes work but mostly are FFF (fails flat on face)

akabir77
July 10, 2007, 09:57 AM
First and foremost, most of the wickets that we lost were due to excellent bowling not because players were flashing around like they used to. God forbid, if they still did those pathetic flashing outside the off-stumps, we wouldve been out in 20 runs max. We didnt and thats because in most cases the players did actually try to play positively ( okay, maybe not always, Shahrier/Rafique).

One thing we, most of the fans and Bangaldesh officials are accomplice in this wrong, totally ignored was how pathetic our bowling was. This prompted Rafique to admit that this tour was his worst ever and he doesnt expect that the 3rd one to be better either ( thats something needs discussion, BTW). We allowed Sri Lanka to score freely against our unimaginative and truly lack lustre bowling. Its not like we were dropping catches or so many lbws were not given ( after all Ashoka is not umpiring). So, bringing Tusher can solve a partial problem... Unless Mashrafee/Rafique start getting more wickets,, the results are the same. Yes, we can attempt to hold out for a draw but for that,, even the bottom 5 needs to hold the turf which with Rafique hitting for 6s was an example of what we cant do. All in all, unless the tail also contribute with batting and the bowlers take atleast 5-6 wickts as they used to,,, bringing Tusher is still a Bashar-isque defensive idea which sometimes work but mostly are FFF (fails flat on face)

Bhairey Bowler ra ki bhabey 88 and 69 defend korbey aktu boila diben? agey batting ta thik houk 300+ koruk then boilen jey bollara kharap na bhalo. SL batsmen der upor kono run korar pressure nai to out hobey kemney. ato r BD batsmen na jey ekta bhalo ball hoiley out hoiya jabey ba ekta 4 marar por r ekta martey giya out hobey....

sadi
July 10, 2007, 10:20 AM
Bhairey Bowler ra ki bhabey 88 and 69 defend korbey aktu boila diben? agey batting ta thik houk 300+ koruk then boilen jey bollara kharap na bhalo. SL batsmen der upor kono run korar pressure nai to out hobey kemney. ato r BD batsmen na jey ekta bhalo ball hoiley out hoiya jabey ba ekta 4 marar por r ekta martey giya out hobey....

I understand the fact that bowlers had no run to work with and batsmen didn't give them any total to defend. But still the way they bowled was not acceptable. Vaas has scored his first century. Four century in a innings in back to back test matches? Our bowlers are doing no better than our batsmen but getting escaped from the criticism that our batsmen face so often. Mashrafee gets benefit of doubt every now and then for his injury concern and Rafique has been terrible and not to mention Razzak, Sharif and all other bowlers except Shahadat.

Dhakablues
July 10, 2007, 12:38 PM
There is no disagreement that the batters were their worst,, the scores pretty much says it all. But if you consider the total test,, then I think bowlers also did terrible. I dont buy Rafique's argument that he didnt have a decent run to defend.. say what? is this ODI series that he was defending a score? His job was to take wickets not to restrict runs. The fielding placement for Rafique made us thought maybe Bashar is in charge with no attacks within the circle.. the worst part is when Rafique admits his continued defficiency before the test starts tomorrow. Rafique is one of the most dedicated soul in Bangladesh cricket and if he thinks that he cant take wicket,, I am not so sure what to expect. Again,, the batters did not help the cause but the bowlers also ensured tht every one in Sri Lankan team can hope for a century against Banglladesh,, that not getting that 3 digit score was a failure ( as Tony Greig was mentioning again and again). Thats the part that I think,, Tusher can't help. He can score his own century, build a partnership, defy the Lankan bowlers for longer than Sakib/Mehrab/Pilot,, but the real issue is still the fact that, we dont have the champion bowlers like Malinga/Murli/Vaas... We dont have a "Ashraful" in our bowling squad,