Mano ya na mano Khairu Bhai...

[Ahmed_B]

Mano ya na mano Khairu Bhai (Admit it or not *Khairu bro..).... the whole world is now saying that the BD team was on the right track when Whatmore was in charge.... and now they're back to school cricket again.

Admit? Or still think that he just got lucky to have a great player combination (probably we have a better one now) at his time?

(*Khairu Bhai- A character played by Nasiruddin Shah in an indian film from the 80's .. many of you may recognize him!)

[Omio]

mani na

[Tigers_eye]

second that.

BD needs a better structure to survive in the long run. Coaches can't teach these young pups experience (good ones). Be it Whatmore, John Wooden, Madden, Bear Brant or Lombardi himself.

Our schedule don't have the Zimbos, kenyans, or the scots in the lineup. inflated stats.

[FaridpurChicago]

Sorry, man te parlam na.

Did we do anything better in our last tour in SL. Ash could hit a test century last time and he did so this time as well. I don't think there's any whatmore issue there. SL on their ground is always tough to any team including Aussies. We are always bad at bounce and lateral movement. No Whatmore ghost.

[Ahmed_B]

Forgot Fatullah test, 2-1 SL ODI home series, NZ-IND-SA victories in WC already? :)
Those are quite recent results under DW. The coach's job is to install confidence and spirit in the team... and DW surely was successful in doing that.

BTW.... I voted for option-2.

[Miraz]

Forgot Fatullah test, 2-1 SL ODI home series, NZ-IND-SA victories in WC already? :)
Those are quite recent results under DW. The coach's job is to install confidence and spirit in the team... and DW surely was successful in doing that.

BTW.... I voted for option-2.

Same here. :)

Can we make the poll public?

[Fazal]

Mani Bhai Mani...beta keramot janey....kintu kejur gach ta kintu amar amar .... Ja geche gechey ...Bhuri Wala-rey Ami ar Chai-na...

[Sadz]

No question no.2 the only difference now and when Dav was here was team spirit and we are missing that a lot. hope the new coach will install that back into the team along with batting!

[damalChele]

I think it's a conspiracy. BD players love DW. if they play bad (on purpose of course, like a cry baby) then BCB would try to bring him back and restore the smile once again. who knows?!

[rah]

dav put us on da right track

[sadi]

As much as I love to disagree, I can't. Our players has no confidence and losing the game even before it gets started. They don't look like the giant killer they were during the world cup. We definitely need someone who can make them feel better about themselves.

[Nocturnal]

DW-HB - good combination for a young team but both of them are past now and that's life.

[Gowza]

is whatmore the answer? i don't believe he is. he may have characteristics that would be useful but he's not ideal for the coaching job in terms of where bangladesh are at. bangladesh need specilised coaches, preferably ones who have the characteristics that whatmore had in addition to their specialty skills.

team mangement and the selectors have to get tough right from the lower levels of cricket. they have to show players that if they're not going to work hard and if they don't really want it and aren't willing to go that extra mile then they're not going to get it i.e. get given the opportunities to play higher levels of cricket. there's nothing wrong with dropping the talented players who aren't performing (within reason obviously, if they're just in a slump then give them a chance to get out of that slump), that should make them try even harder to get back into the national side, and if it doesn't then they're not the type of player you want in your team. it may produce lesser performances in the short term but i guarantee in the long run it will create greater competetion at the domestic level and therefore set the domestic player up to be mentally and physically ready for the international arena. talent can only get you so far, you have to be willing to work for it and put that little bit more into everything.

it's not alright to just say well we have no clue about murali and that's that. if that's the scenario they're in then they need to use the scenario to motivate themselves (individually as it's just as important to have personal goals as it is team goals) to improve on that area so that the next time they come up against that challenge they'll do better. it really all starts with domestic cricket, you can't put players in the national side who have coasted through to get their and then expect them to suddenly fight for their life, if they're not use to doing it day in and day out at the domestic level then it's going to make it all that much more difficult for them to do it at the international level.

basically they need to set up their programs, competitions and management so that it conveys to the players that they have to work hard, they have to want it, and they have to fight for it. and this needs to happen in all levels of cricket, start from the bottom up so when they do get to the higher levels i.e. senoir level cricket, they know what to expect and are use to doing what they need to do. basically they need to find a way so that players are fighting for positions at both domestic and international level.

[Rifat]

to really understand the lack of Dev whatmore shall be realized within the next 8 months because i truly believe he would have transformed us into another Sri Lanka if he stayed and kept going at the same pace for another 4 years... but now, it seems about impossible without a legendary coach.

[BD Tigers]

I know Whatmore had magic which lifted our morale and spirit after disaster 2003 WC.

[DJ Sahastra]

Pagla Baba says we are missing the point here - Dave Whatmore was done offerring whatever he had to offer. He knew that and hence he needed to move on. From where he stood, he had two choices - to stagnate or to bow out with his reputation intact. And he wisely chose the better of the two options.

BD Cricket needs a new coach with a new vision to take us to the next level. It's like a relay race - running any further wouldn't hep Whatmore or his team and he rightly decided to handover the baton. The progress now depends on who's gonna be handed the baton and how he runs.

[Protic]

Yeh i do agree he HAD SOME effects in the team..maybe he was good with boosting up? Anyway ive always said that i wudnt mind whatmore as the coach again..but nor will i mind a new one.

[WarWolf]

I went for option 3. He was a good coach, but nothing special. Please don't forget that our current coach is a temporary one and didn't have enough time to work with the team. And our new captain is on his first mission now.

[Ahmed_B]

Well... this thread is not really about whether we should bring DW back or not. But it is about how much he influenced the Mindsets of the BD players and the fans also.

5 years back from now... reaching a 200+ (in ODIs) total or getting close to a win would feel to be satisfactory for BD team and its fans. But nowadays, even we fans believe that the team can beat any team in ODI if they play to their full potential. And we are more often disappointed to see the team lose a close game.

Changes in the team formation are not the only secrets.... because right now we can see what the same 'new-look' team is doing without a proper focuss. They just lack the motivation and encouragement of an (psychologically) influencial coach at the moment. That is what DW could do to them..... make them and us fans a bunch of believers. That is a big deal for sure.

[Rabz]

Pagla Baba says we are missing the point here - Dave Whatmore was done offerring whatever he had to offer. He knew that and hence he needed to move on. From where he stood, he had two choices - to stagnate or to bow out with his reputation intact. And he wisely chose the better of the two options.

BD Cricket needs a new coach with a new vision to take us to the next level. It's like a relay race - running any further wouldn't hep Whatmore or his team and he rightly decided to handover the baton. The progress now depends on who's gonna be handed the baton and how he runs.

Very well said DJ.
Spoke my mind.

[Rabz]

oh...one thing Ahmed_B,

amra ki parshoborti desher bhasha-ta na use korte pari?
oi desher bhashata amar gaye chulkani shuru kore dei...

atleast not here..
jekhane o desher kisu kisu lok ekhane ashe...

eta oder nak uchu shobhab ke arektu ushkani deya arki...

ami to jantam ei forum shudhu duita bhashar moddhe limited.

[Ahmed_B]

oh...one thing Ahmed_B,

amra ki parshoborti desher bhasha-ta na use korte pari?
Depends on the 'Niyot' (intension) with which you are using it I guess. A big portion of Bangladeshis regularly enjoy Indian/Pakistani films & music of good quality. I hope you will not put them on the same line as the ones who are fanatically hypnotized by the Indian awkward Drama Serials that run on the cable channels. There is always a clear line between appreciating quality artists and their works of art... and losing your own sense of cultural identity while doing so. However... this is a different topic and we may discuss it somewhere else someday.

Nasirudin Shah is one of the most talented actors of the subcontinent... and even in world context. I dont really see any harm in quoting something related to a character played by him in the past.

[Ehsan]

oh...one thing Ahmed_B,

amra ki parshoborti desher bhasha-ta na use korte pari?
oi desher bhashata amar gaye chulkani shuru kore dei...

atleast not here..
jekhane o desher kisu kisu lok ekhane ashe...

eta oder nak uchu shobhab ke arektu ushkani deya arki...

ami to jantam ei forum shudhu duita bhashar moddhe limited.

Can't agree on "Naak uchu or uchu shobhab". We need to be a little more broadminded. The only thing speaking in Hindi/Urdu does is bring you close to people. Whether you agree or not, but there is not much difference in the culture of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. And please do not forget that it used to be one country in the past. This is why I despise the British for separating and looting us, and putting a sense of division between us. Not that I take it to a personal level with British people I come across, nor do I generalize. What happened was in the past, and the current generation of British may not have liked or wanted the occurence of the past.

Now, don't bring in the logic of why can't they speak to us in bangla. It is for obvious reasons, it is easier for us to speak Hindi/Urdu than for them to speak in Bangla. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying forget Bangla or the Bengali culture. All I am saying is if we can speak English then it should not matter if one speaks in Urdu or Hindi.

I agree on the part that only two languages are medium of communication here. But any other language that a mod understand should be fine.

P.S. Posting as a regular member. Whenever I do not have the "- Mod" in the ending of my post then that is what it means.

[Sohel]

second that.

BD needs a better structure to survive in the long run. Coaches can't teach these young pups experience (good ones). Be it Whatmore, John Wooden, Madden, Bear Brant or Lombardi himself.

Our schedule don't have the Zimbos, kenyans, or the scots in the lineup. inflated stats.

We need the Scotty Bowman approach. Tough love with total control over every facet of the game made the Dead Wings rediscover their center and become the Red Wings again. Richy Mac is such a personality.

[Ehsan]

On Whatmore, I think he knew the team Chemistry, and most of the time his major headache was getting the right combination. We all have read about it numerous times how he went on to experiment the right combination and batting order. That is what brough him success along with his positive attitude. Just like others I did not like the fact that how greedy was. I had no problem if he was pursing other jobs or thinking to move on but it should have been done quitely. It had a major effect on his image and personality. Why would you talk to media about pursing another job while you are already a coach of another team?

Anyways, don't lose heart from the thrashing we got in SL. But do remember we did dominate certain parts of the game in Test matches and we had a good chance of winning at least 2 ODIs. I think this thrashing could be a bless in disguise and act as inspiration to do better and improve. The thrashing in this series will only make these young players tougher! I liked their attitude from what I have seen through the highlights, they were not hiding but they were facing the uphill challenge from SL. That is guts for you! In the past (3-4 years ago) I always felt our players are trying to hide or get away from the challenge. We all know that our player were working hard and doing extra for this series. Do not forget the part that right now SL ranks right after Australia. So, it was not easy for the players, I am sure players have learnt some stuff. What matters is that players have put in good effort through out series during practice and matches both. Matches and results are not the only part of this game; it may be from a fan's perspective but not from a neutral or player's perspective. Just go and ask a player of the current team how hard they worked for the series and you will get the answer. I think BD team has worked the hardest during this series than any other series before. Ofcourse, the results may not reflect it. Things will only get better now.

[Ahmed_B]

The thrashing in this series will only make these young players tougher!...
Exactly!

This is why I really never believed that playing against tough opponents ever did us any damage. I've seen the BD team's performance getting higher with a packed schedule of tough matches one after another. Its the exposure to high temperature that matters. It makes them tougher every time they go through a very tough series.

As the old saying goes..... "If it doesn't kill you... it only makes you stronger!"

[WarWolf]

Do not forget the part that right now SL ranks right after Australia. So, it was not easy for the players, I am sure players have learnt some stuff. What matters is that players have put in good effort through out series during practice and matches both.
In some point, SL is better than Australia. SL never gets relaxed on the field until the last ball is bowled in the match. In this aspect, they are ahead of Australia. So this SL tour was a pretty much good learning tour for us.