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MohammedC
July 26, 2007, 06:35 PM
http://images.skysports.com/images/badges/100x100/3067.gifEngland V India http://images.skysports.com/images/badges/100x100/1516.gif
Match scheduled to begin at 11:00 local time (10:00 GMT)

Second Test at Trent Bridge (http://www.trentbridge.co.uk/history/index.php?cid=73&scid=75&flg=c),Nottigham

on 27,28,29,30,31 July 2007



http://www.trentbridge.co.uk//assets/category/history.jpg




England squad:
http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/captain.gifMP Vaughan (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/22182.html), JM Anderson (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/8608.html), IR Bell (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/9062.html), SCJ Broad (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/10617.html), PD Collingwood (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/10772.html), AN Cook (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/11728.html), MJ Hoggard (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/14236.html), MS Panesar (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/18655.html), KP Pietersen (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/19296.html), MJ Prior (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/18675.html), RJ Sidebottom (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/20187.html), AJ Strauss (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/20387.html), CT Tremlett (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/21650.html)

India squad:
http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/captain.gifR Dravid (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/28114.html), SR Tendulkar (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/35320.html), RR Bose (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/27572.html), MS Dhoni (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/28081.html), G Gambhir (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/28763.html), SC Ganguly (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/28779.html), W Jaffer (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/29646.html),
KD Karthik (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/30045.html), Z Khan (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/30102.html), A Kumble (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/30176.html), VVS Laxman (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/30750.html), RR Powar (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/32391.html), RP Singh (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/35280.html), S Sreesanth (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/34274.html),
Yuvraj Singh (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/36084.html)

Scorecard (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/engine/match/258469.html)

tnlcricket
July 26, 2007, 08:18 PM
looking forward to see the match. Hope the rain does not carry away the game.. In the first match india was saved by rain god.

We will enjoy watching the match.

Surfer
July 26, 2007, 11:40 PM
Forecast says that rain will start interrupting right from day1.:(

Tintin
July 27, 2007, 12:52 AM
Forecast says that rain will start interrupting right from day1.:(

If all three Tests are rained off, India will gain two points in ICC Test ratings and move ahead of South Africa to the fourth place. Such is life !

bharat
July 27, 2007, 01:28 AM
Well, I hope it does not rain out as I predict an Indian victory after there initial blues ( as always with India) and get back to there rightful place before SL...difficult to see SL ahead of India in tests after their battering whenever they meet India..One day is anothet matter (atleast for now)

Surfer
July 27, 2007, 04:53 AM
In the last match, India's performance improved day by day. Its the bad bowling on day one which proved to be the difference in the end. I am sure the second test will be better for India. Both teams should keep the weather forecast in mind. They should play it more like a three day match and try to produce a result.

tnlcricket
July 27, 2007, 05:44 AM
3 teams are playing the match.
India, England and rain.... who will win this match?

Sovik
July 27, 2007, 05:46 AM
3 teams are playing the match.
India, England and rain.... who will win this match?


huh, the lord rain

Surfer
July 27, 2007, 06:44 AM
Match delayed because of heavy rains overnight.

Sovik
July 27, 2007, 07:15 AM
could be a wash out

MohammedC
July 27, 2007, 08:06 AM
2.00pm An inspection, we hear, is imminent.

"I'm almost hoping the whole day is called off now. That might make Notts think about putting in a Lord's-style drainage system before they fork out for two new stands." It might make lots of counties think of similar, particularly the Test-staging ones...

Surfer
July 27, 2007, 09:29 AM
Zaheer Khan strikes early.

MohammedC
July 27, 2007, 10:18 AM
india on song Zak and RP doing damage on englands top order

ENG 47 for 3

Sovik
July 27, 2007, 10:35 AM
its 70 for 3 and they have lost pietersen and thats a huge set back for them

crikss
July 27, 2007, 10:58 AM
khela dekhte chaile amar signature a click diyen

Surfer
July 27, 2007, 11:39 AM
Time for spinners...

Surfer
July 27, 2007, 11:51 AM
Colly gone.....109/4

Miraz
July 27, 2007, 11:58 AM
Ganguly is bowling quite well. He is creating good pressure at one end, Sreesanth should bowl a bit full to get the full out of the wicket.

Miraz
July 27, 2007, 12:00 PM
Ganguly is bowling quite well. He is creating good pressure at one end, Sreesanth should bowl a bit full to get the full out of the wicket.

And now he picks Cook. Well done. :)

Beamer
July 27, 2007, 12:08 PM
Toss was crucial. India doing well so far.

Surfer
July 27, 2007, 12:25 PM
Great going for India. Ganguly takes Cook second time in the series. England five down and Kumble is yet to come.

MohammedC
July 27, 2007, 01:24 PM
169/7 at the close. India has got the upperhand

Sovik
July 27, 2007, 01:35 PM
it will depend on indian batsmen.

Miraz
July 27, 2007, 01:44 PM
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syzygy
July 27, 2007, 02:24 PM
india is rocking ...i hope our batters now put on at least 400 and we take a 200 run lead...english fans prepare for your first lost of the summer :)

cricket_pagol
July 27, 2007, 02:29 PM
Better than expected performance form India, they are really fighting it out!!! I doubt their batsmen will be able to capitalize on this position.

syzygy
July 27, 2007, 02:35 PM
Better than expected performance form India, they are really fighting it out!!! I doubt their batsmen will be able to capitalize on this position.

well we scored 201 in 1st innings, then 282/9 in second, so i think this time it should be at least 350+, 400 would be excellent :)..what do u think piper mate ;)

Ahg984
July 27, 2007, 02:47 PM
if the playing conditions ease a little (forecast calls for clear skies and no rain:))and the Indian batsmen play up to their reputation 400+ score is on the cards. first thing tomorrow morning we need to bowl out England below 200. then we can worry about batting. I am hoping for a 100 to 200 run 1st innings lead.

Bengaliprince176
July 27, 2007, 04:23 PM
will the pitch improve for batsman? indian batsman will have to lift their game if they are to survive on this pitch. Trent Bridge since the renovation is favouring swing bolwing A LOT!!! i hope it doesnt rain day 4 and 5 (and the match lasts till then) as i will be at the ground

MohammedC
July 27, 2007, 05:16 PM
Shourav Ganguly

-------------------Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

unfiltered -------94 -5637-173 -40.84 -13 -27 -27 -3/28 -54.25 -0 -64 -0
filtered ----------2 -351 -136 -87.75 -1 -2 -3 -3/71 37.66 -0 -0 -0

Rahul Dravid

------------------Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

unfiltered -----110 -9377-270 -56.83 24 47 1 1/18 39.00 0 151 0
filtered ----------2 --220 -115 -55.00 1 1 - - - - 2 0

Sachin Tendulkar

-------------------Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

unfiltered ------138 -10975 248* 55.15 37 43 41 3/10 48.60 0 90 0
filtered -----------2 -377 -177 94.25 1 2 0 - - 0 0 0

This three batsman's record in trent bridge should worry England

Ahg984
July 27, 2007, 05:20 PM
look at that Tendy average! mindblowing!

Ahg984
July 27, 2007, 08:07 PM
ooooooooooooooooooh Ganguly is not far behind with 88, initially I thought it was 38 but that's the bowling avg.

tnlcricket
July 28, 2007, 05:37 AM
Expecting to see Indian batting... England will be bowled out for less than 200.

Tintin
July 28, 2007, 05:51 AM
Expecting to see Indian batting... England will be bowled out
for less than 200.

Two runs under. Zed Khan four wickets, Kumble three.

Surfer
July 28, 2007, 06:22 AM
Good opening for India. Karthik playing aggressively.

bharat
July 28, 2007, 08:48 AM
India should look to bat only once this Test ....time to go back to their rightful place of 2 in ICC rankings ..

Surfer
July 28, 2007, 08:51 AM
Quite so bharat. Now that the openers have given a 100 runs partnership, there is no reason why we cant take a lead enough to earn an innings victory. Good going this.

Ahg984
July 28, 2007, 11:03 AM
India should look to accelerate as rain is in forecast but with these two 'superstars' at the crease trying to salvage their careers I am afraid it wont happen.

Ahg984
July 28, 2007, 11:05 AM
24 overs to go .. I hope they build atleast a 75 run lead before end of day.

Miraz
July 28, 2007, 11:11 AM
This is one of the better batting from India I have witnessed over the last few years.

India should make sure that they bat only once.

Ahg984
July 28, 2007, 11:13 AM
very true Miraz, to bat once they should get atleast a 200 run lead.... I am hoping for 50-75 run lead today.

Ahg984
July 28, 2007, 11:18 AM
If India wins this test match will it move to 2nd place in test rankings? That would be amazing.

MohammedC
July 28, 2007, 11:36 AM
If India wins this test match will it move to 2nd place in test rankings? That would be amazing.

No they dont but if they win the series 2-0 they will be tied at second position

ICC website (http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/test/future.html)


England v India, 3 Tests, July - August 2007
<TABLE width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD noWrap width="44%">Result</TD><TD noWrap width="36%">England

</TD><TD noWrap width="20%">India
</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>Current rating:</TD><TD>115
</TD><TD>102
</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>Possible series outcomes:</TD><TD>
</TD><TD>
</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>England wins by 3 Tests 3-0</TD><TD>119
</TD><TD>97
</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>England wins by 2 Tests 2-0</TD><TD>117
</TD><TD>99
</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>England wins by 1 Test 1-0, 2-1 </TD><TD>116
</TD><TD>100
</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>Series tied 0-0, 1-1</TD><TD>113
</TD><TD>104
</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>India wins by 1 Test 1-0, 2-1 </TD><TD>111
</TD><TD>107
</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>India wins by 2 Tests 2-0</TD><TD>109
</TD><TD>109
</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>India wins by 3 Tests 3-0</TD><TD>108
</TD><TD>111
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Ahg984
July 28, 2007, 11:49 AM
oh ok thanks for posting the table.

Few test match results can change the points by a LOT.

Ahg984
July 28, 2007, 11:52 AM
If India wins 1-0 then it will be tied at 3rd with Sri Lanka. I am ok with that.

Nocturnal
July 28, 2007, 12:52 PM
Stumps - Day 2
England 198
India 254/3 (79.0 ov)
India lead by 56 runs with 7 wickets remaining in the 1st innings

MohammedC
July 28, 2007, 06:49 PM
3 full days cricket left. What do you think guys? Can England salvage a draw?

bharat
July 28, 2007, 08:24 PM
3 full days cricket left. What do you think guys? Can England salvage a draw?

Thats the beauty of Test cricket ..youd never know..a great KP's innings can turn things arround.As for now the first 6 sessions have been dominated by India ..if weather and KP stay out of the party I see an Indian win ..but you never know ..that is the beauty that makes us glue to the TV screen

MohammedC
July 28, 2007, 10:09 PM
Thats the beauty of Test cricket ..youd never know..a great KP's innings can turn things arround.As for now the first 6 sessions have been dominated by India ..if weather and KP stay out of the party I see an Indian win ..but you never know ..that is the beauty that makes us glue to the TV screen

Wetaher looks good around Nottigham

As a cricket fan I would like to see the game roll on to the 5th day

MohammedC
July 29, 2007, 05:19 AM
I think Tendulkar will score big today guys already 63 not out and looking very good. England fear

Sovik
July 29, 2007, 05:45 AM
england is in deep trouble

Surfer
July 29, 2007, 06:37 AM
India should add another 300 runs to the score and declare by the end of the day with 5/6 overs to spare.

MohammedC
July 29, 2007, 07:45 AM
We did not notice Tendy has gone past 11000

Congrats to him

MohammedC
July 29, 2007, 07:46 AM
just as I praise him. he is out

Ahg984
July 29, 2007, 08:27 AM
Tendulkar misses yet another century. so frustrating..

Surfer
July 29, 2007, 08:28 AM
Another bad decision fro Tendulkar to miss yet another century. Yeah, bloody frustrating.

Miraz
July 29, 2007, 08:31 AM
I want Ganguly to score a century from here. Will he take the shirt off this time? :D

Surfer
July 29, 2007, 09:32 AM
Yet another bad decision ...... this time for dada:(

crikss
July 29, 2007, 09:44 AM
for watching

check

www.cricketdesi.blogspot.com

Surfer
July 29, 2007, 10:01 AM
Simon Taufel.....:angry:

Who won all those best umpire awards all these years- the guy who just pushed India's two best batsmen back into the dressing room for no bloody reason.

Ahg984
July 29, 2007, 10:26 AM
Yah it is depressing but you got to remember that India is still in a very good position to win the game.

The decisions were definitely tragic for the players involved but for the team as a whole its not so bad. They balance the bad decisions against England.

Miraz
July 29, 2007, 10:34 AM
India is leading by 242 runs. IMO, India should make another 60 runs in next 15 overs and declare to bowl at least 15 overs in the afternoon.

Rommel
July 29, 2007, 11:03 AM
Any free WORKING link? All help is appreciated.

Miraz
July 29, 2007, 11:07 AM
Laxman gone.

Time for some entertainment from Zaheer.

Ahg984
July 29, 2007, 11:24 AM
India falling apart but can't expect much from the tail.

Nocturnal
July 29, 2007, 11:31 AM
Day 3 - Session 3
Min overs remaining today 19.2
England 198
India 480/9 (157.4 ov)
India lead by 282 runs with 1 wicket remaining in the 1st innings

bharat
July 29, 2007, 12:05 PM
Day 3 - Session 3
Min overs remaining today 19.2
England 198
India 480/9 (157.4 ov)
India lead by 282 runs with 1 wicket remaining in the 1st innings

One wicket today will complete a near perfect first 3 days for India.One wicket would doL-)

Surfer
July 29, 2007, 12:14 PM
I am expecting to see Kumble in attack soon. And when he comes, bharat, your wish shall be granted.

Sovik
July 29, 2007, 12:55 PM
last day of the over. england wouldn't last 6 sessions

bharat
July 29, 2007, 01:00 PM
I am expecting to see Kumble in attack soon. And when he comes, bharat, your wish shall be granted.

Dint work out buddy ....but am sure we should be good by this time tommorow.

Surfer
July 29, 2007, 01:06 PM
Thats right Sovik. Surviving six straight sessions without any help from weather will be very difficult for England. I have a feeling that India will have to depend on spinners a lot for the wickets. But if it does not rain, India will win.

MohammedC
July 29, 2007, 01:08 PM
day 3 at the stump ENG 43/0. still 240 runs behind if ENG draw thats as good as win

Surfer
July 29, 2007, 01:08 PM
Dint work out buddy ....but am sure we should be good by this time tommorow.

No problem....we cant expect to have everything our way. You are right. England have a long long day tomorrow and India has all the time to blow those 10 wickets.

MohammedC
July 30, 2007, 07:46 AM
130/2 ENG 153 runs behind are in big trouble I would say. Unless KP and Vaughan bats sensibly.

MohammedC
July 30, 2007, 09:02 AM
191/3 long way to go for England. India sniffing victory

MohammedC
July 30, 2007, 09:54 AM
So England are minus -62/3. four session left cloud building up sround the skies of nottingham. I can see a draw on its way if Eng can negotiate the last session without loosing any wicket.

bharat
July 30, 2007, 11:19 AM
What a Test .. great fightback from England

Ahg984
July 30, 2007, 11:31 AM
Blatant out of Collingwood not given.

Tigers_eye
July 30, 2007, 11:31 AM
What a Test .. great fightback from England
England draws the test where they were suppose to win.

England loses the test where they were suppose to draw.

Whatever the results are India did play just well enough.

Ahg984
July 30, 2007, 11:33 AM
England draws the test where they were suppose to win.

England loses the test where they were suppose to draw.

Whatever the results are India did play just well enough.

Why is England supposed to draw this test? I read the same statement in cric info a while back but it makes no sense.

ok this is the statement I read in cric info, it is worded differently but the gist is the same-

"Shantal Perera emails in: "It seems strange that India might win the game England deserved to draw and India drew the Test that they should have lost... History might look at all this differently if India manage to win the series 1-0."

Tigers_eye
July 30, 2007, 11:36 AM
They played well enough to draw the test. A total of 600+ runs is considered as a defendable.

MohammedC
July 30, 2007, 12:10 PM
looks like all India now Eng 7 wicket down

Ahg984
July 30, 2007, 12:27 PM
They played well enough to draw the test. A total of 600+ runs is considered as a defendable.

looks like they won't get 600 runs save a 75+ run last wicket partnership..

Tigers_eye
July 30, 2007, 12:48 PM
looks like they won't get 600 runs save a 75+ run last wicket partnership..
Be honest did Sidebottom's hitting scare you?

Anyways, Tendu and Ganguly played really well. So did Zaheer Khan. Last summer's experience is coming in to play.

Congrats India for a fine game.

bharat
July 30, 2007, 12:53 PM
.

England loses the test where they were suppose to draw.

.

Not sure about that, with a dismal first innings by England and a great Indian batting and 6 sessions to go I dont think England was supposed to draw this test.

It would have been considered a remarkable escpae if England would have drawn this match.

But again the game is not over as yet lets see if there is a twist in the tale ..75 to get .India lost against WI chasing a target of 101(or in that range)

Ahg984
July 30, 2007, 12:54 PM
Be honest did Sidebottom's hitting scare you?

Anyways, Tendu and Ganguly played really well. So did Zaheer Khan. Last summer's experience is coming in to play.

Congrats India for a fine game.

It didn't really scare me cuz the game was firmly in India's favor at that stage. It was disappointing, no doubt, to see Kumble getting smacked around by the tailenders.

AsifTheManRahman
July 30, 2007, 02:02 PM
Guess who smacked the only six of the game so far? ;)

Sovik
July 30, 2007, 02:28 PM
Guess who smacked the only six of the game so far? ;)

dada, who else?

Puck
July 30, 2007, 02:31 PM
kumble is a shadow of the bowler he was but still maintains a stage presence, like all great sporting men and women in the autumn of their prowess.

this match had been all but india's since the very first day's dismal batting from england. the ball had been swinging and most of these batsmen play little county cricket to realise how to deal with the swinging ball these days, however, it was paltry batting. for the rest of the days england had worked very hard to give something of a match to india without much success. if the sunshines indian middle order delivers. the sun shone and now they have delivered.

i feel sorry for my friend gary who had taken five days off from work to see this match at trent bridge. the ticket was his 40th birthday present from his girlfriend. there isn't going to be much action on the fifth day.

Puck
July 30, 2007, 02:33 PM
dada, who else?

there is so much praise of ganguly in the test match special commentry team that i wonder what he had done to bribe them. rumours abound about geoffrey boycott being invited to dine at ganguly's palacial ancentral home. he was wines and dined to such an extent that boics can't say a bad word against ganguly in commentary now ;)

al Furqaan
July 30, 2007, 04:59 PM
dissappointed with england's batting performance...but this series should really be a 1-1 tie, shame the rain ruined england's chance of winning the series.

but it illustrates another point: we think we have no depth behind mash, rajib, and rasel...look at england struggling to beat india at HOME without their pace quartet.

DJ Sahastra
July 30, 2007, 06:11 PM
Al Furqaan,

I can bet Sreesanth and Dhoni were going to win us the first Test had rain not intervened. We were less than 100 runs away and we still had Dhoni :-D

There you go, Fazal mamu, i invite you here :-D

Fazal
July 30, 2007, 06:14 PM
Al Furqaan,

I can bet Sreesanth and Dhoni were going to win us the first Test had rain not intervened. We were less than 100 runs away and we still had Dhoni :-D

There you go, Fazal mamu, i invite you here :-D

Yes I agree Dhoni jii would run with ENG FB's dhon and give India a Win. Only mother nature played as a spoiler. Now Happy. D.J. Go and celebrating.. will you?

Sohel
July 30, 2007, 07:13 PM
Zaheer does it for India ... what a remarkable spell that was.

DJ Sahastra
July 30, 2007, 07:18 PM
Zaheer does it for India ... what a remarkable spell that was.

Dropping Zaheer has worked for him. It has worked for RP & Ganguly too. If it has worked half as well for Kaif, Raina, Shewag, Harbhajan & Pathan, Indian Cricket's worries would be over.

Sohel
July 30, 2007, 07:25 PM
Dropping Zaheer has worked for him. It has worked for RP & Ganguly too. If it has worked half as well for Kaif, Raina, Shewag, Harbhajan & Pathan, Indian Cricket's worries would be over.

I'm not too keen on Raina. I think Yusuf Pathan will do better at this level. Really looking forward to seeing Nehra return to form.

syzygy
July 31, 2007, 01:11 AM
india is too good for england...they dont have a clue how to face rp singh and zaheer..now only aussies can challenge us...no problem, last time we almost beat the aussies at their home, this time we surely will beat the hell out of them as they wont have mcgrath and warne :)..anyway englishmen better get ready for a 2-0 drubbing..india is winning so many away tests these days..wat a great improvement !!!

Sohel
July 31, 2007, 11:51 AM
Let's not forget how delpleted England has been before getting too excited. Buying into its own media hype has not helped Indian cricket to date. A little Sri Lankan style sobriety on the other hand, can be helpful.

DJ Sahastra
July 31, 2007, 12:18 PM
india is too good for england...they dont have a clue how to face rp singh and zaheer..now only aussies can challenge us...no problem, last time we almost beat the aussies at their home, this time we surely will beat the hell out of them as they wont have mcgrath and warne :)..anyway englishmen better get ready for a 2-0 drubbing..india is winning so many away tests these days..wat a great improvement !!!

Syzygy,

You are clearly excited :).

The team that drew with Australia should've won that series 2-0.

And that team was Indian team at it's peak with Laxman, Dravid, Sehwag, Kumble all in full bloom. The current team is not even half of that.

Lets celebrate the win but ground realities are - we aren't taht good today.

Bengaliprince176
July 31, 2007, 01:11 PM
Guess who smacked the only six of the game so far? ;)


asiff bro, guess who's poster i had on the last day at the ground?? ;)

Cryin Out
July 31, 2007, 01:19 PM
Let's not forget how delpleted England has been before getting too excited. Buying into its own media hype has not helped Indian cricket to date. A little Sri Lankan style sobriety on the other hand, can be helpful.

While the English bowling attack was theoretically depleted (Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard) their current line up has bowled pretty amazingly well, especially Tremlett and Sidebottom, and to the extent that the depleted criticism does not hold water. The missing attack comprises of Harmison, Flintoff ands Hoggard. I doubt if Harmlesson would have done as well, forget doing better. Hoggy? Iffy, but Siders bowled very well. Trewmlett bowled amazingly well, in patches. Only man missing, IMO, was Flintoff.

So the depleted theory does not hold. It was a very good win.

Sohel
July 31, 2007, 04:26 PM
While the English bowling attack was theoretically depleted (Harmison, Flintoff, Hoggard) their current line up has bowled pretty amazingly well, especially Tremlett and Sidebottom, and to the extent that the depleted criticism does not hold water. The missing attack comprises of Harmison, Flintoff ands Hoggard. I doubt if Harmlesson would have done as well, forget doing better. Hoggy? Iffy, but Siders bowled very well. Trewmlett bowled amazingly well, in patches. Only man missing, IMO, was Flintoff.

So the depleted theory does not hold. It was a very good win.

A closer read would've revealed that I never said or insinuated for that matter, that it was a "bad" win. Any win is a good win IMHO, especially when it comes India winning outside its borders. I was simply expressing an opinion about those getting too excited, and florid in their adulation, and taking things a bit out of perspective. It is not India's "fault" that England couldn't field Flintoff, Harmison and Hoggard, and still has not been able recover from Trescothik's absence. BTW, there's nothing "theoritical" about Harmison and Hoggard's bowling after what we've seen them do against West Indies. Flintoff is talented enough to come out of his funk with a single spell of good bowling, and a few powerfully executed shots around the park.

Excessive praise springing from pointless defensiveness only flaunts deep insecurities, and often creates a a false sense of security that contributes to losing matches.

A chill pill maybe a good thing to swallow. Don't call me in the morning.

MohammedC
July 31, 2007, 06:33 PM
India still without a coach but they have toppled England in their own back yard. BCCI is probably saying hang on who needs a coach.

syzygy
July 31, 2007, 06:56 PM
Syzygy,

You are clearly excited :).

The team that drew with Australia should've won that series 2-0.

And that team was Indian team at it's peak with Laxman, Dravid, Sehwag, Kumble all in full bloom. The current team is not even half of that.

Lets celebrate the win but ground realities are - we aren't taht good today.

are u not excited? i think any indian fan will be excited to see their team playing superbly:) anyway i ll be more excited to see us beat the aussies in their own backyard..ind beating england was expected. its all temperament my friend, and remember form is temporary but class is permanent. i am sure team india will rise like a phoenix in their own backyard and the aussies will be left gasping for breath.

Puck
July 31, 2007, 08:28 PM
are u not excited? i think any indian fan will be excited to see their team playing superbly:) anyway i ll be more excited to see us beat the aussies in their own backyard..ind beating england was expected. its all temperament my friend, and remember form is temporary but class is permanent. i am sure team india will rise like a phoenix in their own backyard and the aussies will be left gasping for breath.

the victory was mainly achived over one session of play on the very first day. it seems india has benefitted from weather related interventions on both test matches. its less class and more weather ;)

DJ Sahastra
July 31, 2007, 08:47 PM
are u not excited? i think any indian fan will be excited to see their team playing superbly:) anyway i ll be more excited to see us beat the aussies in their own backyard..ind beating england was expected. its all temperament my friend, and remember form is temporary but class is permanent. i am sure team india will rise like a phoenix in their own backyard and the aussies will be left gasping for breath.

Syzygy,

I am surely excited. But this being a guest forum, an over-exhibition of excitement may rub members the wrong way. It may sound misplaced as well. Being from the neighbouring country makes this probability of being misunderstood quite higher.

Frankly speaking, thanks to some some strollers, lot of goodwill has already been lost as far as Indian fans and Indian team is concerned. In my own observation, there are only a few members left who don't hold a lot of angst and grudges againt both Indians and Indian team. I am not asking for winning hearts of developing an appeasing tone, but a reasonable behaviour that is befitting any guest is in order.

Btw, India beating England was not expected - not to me. This Indian team is trying to overcome a whole lot of issues and is not exactly the world-beaters. But while it overcomes its problems, if it can come up with displays like this Test, i'll gladly take them.

I am sure India will rise as a team again. But that team won't have Laxman or Sachin or Ganguly. Maybe not even Dravid. They are all past their prime and while they are still utility players, they aren't a pale shade of what they were.

We need to blood in lot of youngsters of caliber and wait patiently for a couple of years. We need to look closely at our domestic cricket for next few years. We need to restore Sehwag, Pathan, Raina while looking forward to Tewary and Sharma and Chawla. We need to find another Sachin and Dravid, and soon enough.

DJ Sahastra
July 31, 2007, 08:51 PM
the victory was mainly achived over one session of play on the very first day. it seems india has benefitted from weather related interventions on both test matches. its less class and more weather ;)

Sorry, but the victory was achieved through all sessions. If there is less class and more weather, then you and me have been following different matches :)

Cryin Out
July 31, 2007, 11:17 PM
A closer read would've revealed that I never said or insinuated for that matter, that it was a "bad" win.

Neither did I insinuate that you said anything. A closer read would have revealed that. Misunderstanding all round maybe.

Any win is a good win IMHO, especially when it comes India winning outside its borders. I was simply expressing an opinion about those getting too excited, and florid in their adulation, and taking things a bit out of perspective.

Fair enough. Although India's Test record has improved considerably compared to how terrible we used to be, as the numbers show. It still isn't outstanding by any stretch of the imagination; but it isn't what it was.

On those getting too excited- and I am not one of them- perhaps they are young enough not to know that what goes round comes round. India is not at the stage yet where we can be called cricket champions at anything. Still, as I said- this was a good win- great batting and bowling.

It is not India's "fault" that England couldn't field Flintoff, Harmison and Hoggard, and still has not been able recover from Trescothik's absence. BTW, there's nothing "theoritical" about Harmison and Hoggard's bowling after what we've seen them do against West Indies. Flintoff is talented enough to come out of his funk with a single spell of good bowling, and a few powerfully executed shots around the park.

Hoggard likely, and Flintoff a definte yes. Harmison- you can put a fork in him, in my opinion. Except for one (?) Test IIRC against the Windies in the recent series he has pretty much been mediocre. England have more options now.

Excessive praise springing from pointless defensiveness only flaunts deep insecurities, and often creates a a false sense of security that contributes to losing matches.

Agreed.

A chill pill maybe a good thing to swallow. Don't call me in the morning.

I won't need to.

syzygy
August 1, 2007, 02:17 AM
Syzygy,

I am surely excited. But this being a guest forum, an over-exhibition of excitement may rub members the wrong way. It may sound misplaced as well. Being from the neighbouring country makes this probability of being misunderstood quite higher.

Frankly speaking, thanks to some some strollers, lot of goodwill has already been lost as far as Indian fans and Indian team is concerned. In my own observation, there are only a few members left who don't hold a lot of angst and grudges againt both Indians and Indian team. I am not asking for winning hearts of developing an appeasing tone, but a reasonable behaviour that is befitting any guest is in order.

Btw, India beating England was not expected - not to me. This Indian team is trying to overcome a whole lot of issues and is not exactly the world-beaters. But while it overcomes its problems, if it can come up with displays like this Test, i'll gladly take them.

I am sure India will rise as a team again. But that team won't have Laxman or Sachin or Ganguly. Maybe not even Dravid. They are all past their prime and while they are still utility players, they aren't a pale shade of what they were.

We need to blood in lot of youngsters of caliber and wait patiently for a couple of years. We need to look closely at our domestic cricket for next few years. We need to restore Sehwag, Pathan, Raina while looking forward to Tewary and Sharma and Chawla. We need to find another Sachin and Dravid, and soon enough.

wat was ur expectation sir? ind have been playing superbly in test cricket for the past 5 years and they have the max no of away test wins (16) after australia (26) during this period..so it is highly expected that we will beat england..btw, even aussies without the services of mcgrath and warne are yet to be tested, so they cant be called world beaters anymore unless proven.tendlya and co still have at least a couple of years in them..meanwhile there is every oppurtunity for tewari, yuvi, sharma, pujara, chawla etc to get enough oppurtunity and groom under the watchful eyes of the seniors and win matches for team india in the future...there is no difference in the skill level among the top test teams and thanks to dada for bringing the attitude and the self believe in the side that we can beat anybody on any given day be it away or home.may be u are a pessimistic fan and think otherwise.but yeah we have the ability, class and temparament to beat any team on their own backyard :)

Surfer
August 1, 2007, 03:04 AM
I agree with dj on the point that its high time we started preparing the next generation to take the front stage. In a few years most of the front line players like Sachin, Dravid, Sourav, Kumble etc will take retirement. Yuvraj Singh, india's most promising prospect is not even getting a spot in the test team now. Most other good players have either been dropped after a bad phase or are yet to taste international cricket. This does not sound very exciting to me.

Puck
August 2, 2007, 08:01 PM
india is in a position that many other teams would like to be right now, to have an excellent and established batting line up, particularly in the middle order.

CHABAN
August 3, 2007, 09:13 AM
BTW, there's nothing "theoritical" about Harmison and Hoggard's bowling after what we've seen them do against West Indies

Not a fair comment. Here is a comparison. The rookies have done much better than the vets. The vets were not in form at all. The big difference between the windies series and India series is the lower strike rate by Sidebottom and panesar. Panesar picked up 23 wickets in 4 matches against England as opposed to 6 against India in 2 matches

HARMISON- 4 MATCHES: 16 WICKETS
SIDEBOTTOM-3 MATCHES: 16 WICKETS (windies series only)
HOGGARD- 2 MATCHES: 5 WICKETS
TREMLETT: 2 MATCHES: 10 WICKETS (India)
ANDERSON: 2 MATCHES: 8 WICKETS (India only)

Tremlett has done better than both Harmison and hoggard and anderson has done better than hoggard and as good as harmison

Now, let us come to Flintoff. In the last series when India visited England..

Flintoff: batting Average: 20 in 3 matches
Bowling : 5 wickets in 3 matches....

The last time India were in England, Hoggard picked up 14 wickets in 4 matches, lower than Tremlett and Anderson.......

damned statistics....................

Puck
August 3, 2007, 06:41 PM
harmison has been harmless for the last two and half years. hoggard had worked himself into a very consistent performer in most conditions.

panesar did indeed have a good summer against the indians because the sun was shining and seamers didn't get much success. in the india series, the seamers have performed much better and had early success, so panesar hasn't had to be unleashed.

of course, there are some very fine players of spin in the indian team.