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Baundule
August 20, 2007, 03:04 PM
I think, it will be unnecessary to describe again what happened between the DU students and Army+Police. Hundreds of newspapers are there for you. But personally I see some light of hope in it.

Before that, I am sure, many of us have a long cherished dream that the DU students must be punished, because they are all bad boys. They don't obey any government, they are always creating mess, they are the ones responsible for all the session jam etc. etc.

So, it's high time to get them punished. Elected governments are biased, they are not messengers of God, they are not angels of God. Fortunately, no elected government is in power, rather our Angel, the holy Caretakers are taking very good care of.....hmmm, people are starting to think 'whom'.

Hopefully, this is the start of the end of....yes, again the future will answer of 'what'.

DU bohut khatarnak jaega. Okhane kisu start hoile poristhiti ki hoy ta Zinnah Shaheb porjonto bujhesen.

Kana-Baba
August 20, 2007, 03:39 PM
DU bohut khatarnak jaega. Okhane kisu start hoile poristhiti ki hoy ta Zinnah Shaheb porjonto bujhesen.

yeah, teach them (DU students) a lession, so that in future people like Zinnah, Aiyub Khan, Zia, Ershad can rule the country peacefully, and eventually build a shonar bangla!

Opps, did I say something wrong? :-p

Tigers_eye
August 20, 2007, 03:41 PM
Sorry sir,
I don't like student politics. I don't support student politics. I want it banned. Heck I want it removed from Dhaka proper to the outskirts of Dhaka. The whole DU.

40's 50's 60's were different. We were governed by outsiders. We needed student politics then mainly to disrupt and distruct the Govts. Now we need students to study and use their brains a little for the betterment of people.

Baundule
August 20, 2007, 03:42 PM
yeah, teach them (DU students) a lession, so that in future people like Zinnah, Aiyub Khan, Zia, Ershad can rule the country peacefully, and eventually build a shonar bangla.Opps, did I say something wrong. :-p

The first lession will be one semester 'Boot Camp' for every student. :-D

Baundule
August 20, 2007, 03:44 PM
Sorry sir,
I don't like student politics. I don't support student politics. I want it banned. Heck I want it removed from Dhaka proper to the outskirts of Dhaka. The whole DU.

40's 50's 60's were different. We were governed by outsiders. We needed student politics then. Now we need students to study and use their brains a little for the betterment of people.

T_E Bhai,

apnar sathe ekmot. If there is no student politics in DU, the un-elected Angel Government can rule the country as long as they want.

Hail BD Army!

Tigers_eye
August 20, 2007, 03:45 PM
It is your fault that you don't have any mama chacha in the Army. :)

AsifTheManRahman
August 20, 2007, 03:45 PM
Sorry sir,
I don't like student politics. I don't support student politics. I want it banned. Heck I want it removed from Dhaka proper to the outskirts of Dhaka. The whole DU.

40's 50's 60's were different. We were governed by outsiders. We needed student politics then mainly to disrupt and distruct the Govts. Now we need students to study and use their brains a little for the betterment of people.

I agree. We don't deserve student politics, not anymore.

Pundit
August 20, 2007, 03:46 PM
yeah, teach them (DU students) a lession, so that in future people like Zinnah, Aiyub Khan, Zia, Ershad can rule the country peacefully.:-p

Actually, if all the DU students did learn their lessons properly (the ones for which they are their in the first place) and then diligently applied them after having left DU, we would not have had any Zias or Ershads.

Actually, did not Zia try to enroll himself into DU one day while on a scheduled visit their? Had the so called "students" not given him a gono-dholai, we would have come out of Martial law sooner.

Baundule
August 20, 2007, 03:48 PM
It is your fault that you don't have any mama chacha in the Army. :)

I agree, yes again. :-D

But still there is a distant chance. Golam Azam ke dur shomporker nana banano jete pare. Then his Son is a precious Army Mama.

Kana-Baba
August 20, 2007, 03:55 PM
Sorry sir,
I don't like student politics. I don't support student politics. I want it banned. Heck I want it removed from Dhaka proper to the outskirts of Dhaka. The whole DU.

40's 50's 60's were different. We were governed by outsiders. We needed student politics then mainly to disrupt and distruct the Govts. Now we need students to study and use their brains a little for the betterment of people.

I agree 100% to put a ban on political party backed student politics (for example, banning Student wing of AL, BNP, Shibir). However, student politics (backed by political parties) are not the same as general student’s upsurge.
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Yesterday's incident is by no means a student politics. No political parties are involved here – only the general students. It is a movement for survival, a movement to protect their civil rights, just like what mass people have done in Kanshat.

Tigers_eye
August 20, 2007, 03:59 PM
While banning the student politics i humbly request to ban teachers politics too. (uskani)

Pundit
August 20, 2007, 03:59 PM
I am at a loss as to why we always need a movement?

Can we not achieve our goals from stationary actions?

Movement for survival, civil rights etc - sounds like a new version of theories of evolution. Or is it a new theory on Brownian motions?

AsifTheManRahman
August 20, 2007, 04:03 PM
Movement? What movement? Does this even qualify as a movement? The army officials involved should be detained, and the students suspended. Both parties are to blame.

Rubu
August 20, 2007, 04:17 PM
Everything needs a check and balance. And army has no check or balance at the moment. And as we all know, absolute power corrupts absolutely, it was high time that someone stood up against army. Regardless of who was right and who was wrong (even though it sounds like army's fault), it was time they need to know, if they do not stand on the right side, they will face opposition.

so, if DU students can make army bow down, that would definitely be a good thing for the country.

ammark
August 20, 2007, 04:41 PM
The army *should* tone down their presence in the life of civilians. They cannot abuse their uniform for quarelling and beating up students over a football game. Its the same thing as govt officers using their position to get things done.

But to reemphasize to everyone... the following clash was between police and students. Army did not baton charge or fire on student protestors.

I like what I read in the daily star:

"[CGS Maj. Gen] Jamali also said he heard that the incident had taken place centring a game. "Our law is very strict. If any one is found guilty on our part, strict measures will be taken against that person," he said.

He also said steps will also be taken against people who will be found responsible for exacerbating the incident. He said the army had already formed an inquiry committee.

Asked whether the army camp will be removed from the campus, Jamali said, "We will definitely consider what the students have to say. We will respect their sentiment."

In light of this, yes I think it is once again student politics and barabari demanding shutdowns, strikes and bhangchurs. But the army better discipline (army style) the officers/soldiers who overstepped their authority.

Nocturnal
August 20, 2007, 04:57 PM
I agree 100% to put a ban on political party backed student politics (for example, banning Student wing of AL, BNP, Shibir). However, student politics (backed by political parties) are not the same as general student’s upsurge.
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Yesterday's incident is by no means a student politics. No political parties are involved here – only the general students. It is a movement for survival, a movement to protect their civil rights, just like what mass people have done in Kanshat.

Agreed.

I'm really surprised to see a lot negative comments about DU students most time in BC. I have my own explanation for this- either they are too young to remember those great students movements (1952,1969,1971,1987,1990,2002) happened in DU or they really don’t have any firsthand experiences and all they heard and read in last few years were animosity between Student wing of AL, BNP, Jamat.
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I will tell you one of my personal experiences in DU as a student (1999-2003). Like most people here I’m totally with the idea of to put a ban on political party backed student politics. As kana-Baba said student politics (backed by political parties) are not the same as general student’s upsurge. And here comes the “movement for survival, a movement to protect their civil rights, just like what mass people have done in Kanshat.” I’m sure many of you still remember the incident in Shamsunnahar Hall (July 2002). If you don’t then this quote is for you from an article by Dr. Meghna Guhathakurta, Professor, Dept. of International Relations, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename w:st="on">Dhaka</st1:placename></st1:place>
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The triggering incident, which led to a mass upheaval of general students of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Dhaka</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype></st1:place>, (i.e. students who are not cadres of the two mainstream parties, BNP and Awami League) was a police raid of a female student's dormitory (Shamsunnahar Hall) during the night of 24th July 2002. The incident led to the injury and arrest of several innocent girls alongwith trumped up charges against them and the provost of their hall. It was allegedly reported that the provost who had been appointed during the Awami League regime and whose term was due to end in September had been unduly ousted by the new administration, and that she and some of her cronies had started a movement against the University administration and the government party cadres (Jatiotabadi Chhatra Dal) which led to a law and order situation which in turn compelled the police to raid the hall. These allegations were proved false in the course of time, but what did happen was that the police worked in compliance with University administration and Chhatra Dal cadres to attack and abuse innocent girls in the middle of the night. No doubt from the next day onwards, streams of protest rendered the air as students from all quarters demanded justice for the police atrocities and accountability of the University administration. As demands for the resignation of the Vice Chancellor and the Proctor rendered the air, the administration decided to close the University for an indefinite period, with the order for immediate vacation of residential halls. Usually such steps are taken to defuse situations such as these, but this time the general students were not to be daunted.
Instead of simmering down the movement gained ground as students defied police barricades and took position in the <st1:place w:st="on">Central Shahid</st1:place> Minar and declared a programme of fasting to death unless their demands were met. In the face of many threats from the police and Chattro Dal cadres, they stuck to their post and finally success came with resignation of the VC and the proctor on 31st July.<o:p></o:p>
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All I want to say is I was personally involved with this just as a general student and as a protest of what happened to my friends and sisters and believe me what I have seen and learnt from that 2002 movement was, you really don’t need any political banner when incident like Last Night happened, only more or less 10% students are involved with student politics and rest 90% don’t give a sh*t about it and infect don’t like it but when it comes to incident like those it does not matter who is army or AL-BNP cadre general student like me will always protest no matter what and they will succeed. This is a proven lesson from history of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bangladesh</st1:place></st1:country-region>. So please don’t blame all DU students if you don’t know anything about them. It’s just a request. Thanks.

Miraz
August 20, 2007, 04:58 PM
Movement? What movement? Does this even qualify as a movement? The army officials involved should be detained, and the students suspended. Both parties are to blame.

You are right ATMR.

Unfortunately the situation will further aggravate, more learning hour will be lost in streets, more session jam and finally nothing will happen.

Kana-Baba
August 20, 2007, 08:04 PM
Movement? What movement? Does this even qualify as a movement? The army officials involved should be detained, and the students suspended. Both parties are to blame.
Well, this single incident probably does not qualify/justify for a massive movement. But you have to understand that this little incident ignited flame on long standing tension.

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BTW, did you know that an army major handed over a list of 5 candidates to the vice-chancellor of a university and ordered him to them? The VC was forced to carry that order. He had no other way but follow the order. The humiliated VC later resigned quietly.
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The movement is not small or unjustifiable, I guess. Student’s message is clear - men with uniform must stop intervening civilians’ lives and they can not justify beating of civilian.<o:p></o:p>
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AsifTheManRahman
August 20, 2007, 08:21 PM
Student’s message is clear - men with uniform must stop intervening civilians’ lives and they can not justify beating of civilian.<o:p></o:p>
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Definitely. However, I feel that the whole hoopla was unnecessary, and that there are other ways to resolving things than resorting to fighting. Like I said, both parties need to be punished, and that will ensure that no one tries to impose anything on the other in the future.

Kana-Baba
August 20, 2007, 08:35 PM
Definitely. However, I feel that the whole hoopla was unnecessary, and that there are other ways to resolving things than resorting to fighting. Like I said, both parties need to be punished, and that will ensure that no one tries to impose anything on the other in the future.


Theoretically possible but realistically?
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The army men beaten that boy and tried to drag him to army camp - you know what that means?
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Another possible kalpana chakma or poresh richil kind of disaster was few moments away. So the friends of the ill-fated student tried to free him (victim DU student) and the movement started from then on.
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AsifTheManRahman
August 20, 2007, 08:41 PM
<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>Why don’t you tell me what could have done immediately after the beating took place?<o:p></o:p>

The beating wouldn't have taken place in the first place had the student in question not held the official by the collar (source: the Bangladesh Breaking News thread). There wasn't any need to get physical - the student was verbally abused at first and had he kept his cool, things could have been resolved verbally. Perhaps he and his friends could have lodged a complaint (whether that would've been effective is a different question, but there is no doubt that that would've been the right path to take) against the official when the first set of words were exchanged (before things got physical).

Pundit
August 20, 2007, 09:47 PM
Too much nostalgic Socialism still embedded in our heads - that's what the problem is.

Someone mentioned something about great student movements. Right, we've all gone down that alley - when I am 25 (and already a buira college student), I will throw rocks at tanks, and when I am 45, I will sign shady deals that buy even more suspicious "resources", with lucrative personal sidekicks. The only difference, when I was 25, I was the loser, and when I'm 45, its the country who loses.

Pundit
August 20, 2007, 09:49 PM
Also, sometime I wonder how we walloped the hanadar pakis. Oh sorry, you guys were busy cozing up with the dada and didees East of the border.

Sumon77
August 20, 2007, 10:03 PM
The beating wouldn't have taken place in the first place had the student in question not held the official by the collar (source: the Bangladesh Breaking News thread). There wasn't any need to get physical - the student was verbally abused at first and had he kept his cool, things could have been resolved verbally. Perhaps he and his friends could have lodged a complaint (whether that would've been effective is a different question, but there is no doubt that that would've been the right path to take) against the official when the first set of words were exchanged (before things got physical).
if you say so, then I would say, the whole incidence wouldnt take in the first place if the army guy didnt use the abusive words. I blame the authority not taking correct decision promptly. They should have detained the personnels involved immediately and police should have acted patiently. Anyway, they should now take resoponsibilities, apologize and take care of the injured students.
Those who are dreaming of DU students to have a movement against current govt through hortal, michil and so called andolon and as a result restore the dol-league student politics, please think about the future of the general students of DU. They have done enough for the country, now let them have a normal university life, study, graduation in time and do job afterwards.
I am sure none of you would allow your own brother or sister to go to streets of DU if the situation becomes heated.

AsifTheManRahman
August 20, 2007, 10:06 PM
if you say so, then I would say, the whole incidence wouldnt take in the first place if the army guy didnt use the abusive words. I blame the authority not taking correct decision promptly.

Well if you'd gone through my previous posts, you'd notice that I wasn't defending the army guy in any way, and am in full support of detaining the officials responsible.

Sohel
August 20, 2007, 10:32 PM
I am a product of both the Army and DU. My late father was the GOC of the 9th Infantry Division in Dhaka before Ershad consolidated his autocratic power, and my late maternal grandfather was the first VC of DU. I went to ULab and grew up inside the DU campus as well as the Cantonment, and am old enough to remember BAL/BAKSAL/Rokkhi Bahini's Gestapo style oppression, including murder and torture of leftwing and dissident students - many of them genuine Freedom Fighters - in and around the DU campus. It was not just Mushtaq, Zia or Ershad as some would have us believe. Most individuals involved with BAL/BNP/BJP/JIB Mafiosi never did and never will understand the concept of greater national interest, and look beyond personal and narrow political gain except when it comes to rooting for the Tigers. Their selective protests during the last 23 years of brigandage, and other acts demonstrations of moral relativity, tell the rest of us all we need to know about exactly where they're coming from. I do admire the loyalty to past transgressions from those who clearly benefited from the corruption. After all, you can't or shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you.

Sadly, unscrupulous elements of the Army, usually from the junior rank and file, have a culture of violent arrogance when it comes to DU students, while elements of the student body, and certain members in this particular forum, also demonstrate biased and unreasonable responses triggered by the very word "Army".

The less said about the police, the better.

What the soldiers did by breaking discipline is criminal, unacceptable and totally provocative, and they must be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. Army authorities appreciate the matter and are taking action as they must.

sunnyctg
August 20, 2007, 10:54 PM
its probably some low level army guys. but DU students just had to do violent michils didnt they!? old habits...

Hope politics get banned in education forever ...

long live CT gov..

PoorFan
August 20, 2007, 11:28 PM
As if nobody in the world watches football, nobody in the world has pushing and dashing in a crowd place, as if nobody in the world has hot word exchange among them, but yet every time in BD there has to be a RIOT to restore whatever right or pride. And in the process of doing so ( restore right or pride ) it has to be shutdown the whole thing, totally forgetting or violating the RIGHT of other people! What a crazy way of demanding right or protesting injustice! only could be seen in this country time to time.

IMO, both of the party should get locked up immediately and should get interrogated for days for the mess they made out of just a simple individual fight.

And its time to stop worship on student politics, as well as teachers, we are now independent country and student politics did serious damage for decades, other than kicking butt of Zia and Ershad here and there. We had enough of this BS, and in fact as someone said already 90% percent of the average students and their parents are paying the REAL price, lets not get fooled by our legendary heroic student movements of our PRE independent history. Any situation demand like sate security or crisis, no political banner or organization wont be needed READY for our student and young men as our history shows, and we easily can trust on.

Banglatiger84
August 21, 2007, 12:11 AM
At first I thought it was a case of C League students protesting for Hasina.
Anyways, its good that Maj. Gen. Jamali promised that any guilty soldier will be punished...

Funnily, blind supporters of army will support any and all abuse by army personnel, using all sorts of BS justifications. The attitude of some army personnel is as follows: "We can beat/abuse whoever we want because we are the army, and the army owns Bangladesh".


I support that politics hould be banned from all public universities, however that doesnt mean that students have no right to protest if any army personnel tries to assert unfair authority in a campus.

Special 1
August 21, 2007, 12:42 AM
At first I thought it was a case of C League students protesting for Hasina.
Anyways, its good that Maj. Gen. Jamali promised that any guilty soldier will be punished...

Funnily, blind supporters of army will support any and all abuse by army personnel, using all sorts of BS justifications. The attitude of some army personnel is as follows: "We can beat/abuse whoever we want because we are the army, and the army owns Bangladesh".


I support that politics hould be banned from all public universities, however that doesnt mean that students have no right to protest if any army personnel tries to assert unfair authority in a campus.

You are wrong. You cannot say anything against the army.

Sumon77
August 21, 2007, 12:50 AM
As if nobody in the world watches football, nobody in the world has pushing and dashing in a crowd place, as if nobody in the world has hot word exchange among them, but yet every time in BD there has to be a RIOT to restore whatever right or pride. And in the process of doing so ( restore right or pride ) it has to be shutdown the whole thing, totally forgetting or violating the RIGHT of other people! What a crazy way of demanding right or protesting injustice! only could be seen in this country time to time.

IMO, both of the party should get locked up immediately and should get interrogated for days for the mess they made out of just a simple individual fight.

And its time to stop worship on student politics, as well as teachers, we are now independent country and student politics did serious damage for decades, other than kicking butt of Zia and Ershad here and there. We had enough of this BS, and in fact as someone said already 90% percent of the average students and their parents are paying the REAL price, lets not get fooled by our legendary heroic student movements of our PRE independent history. Any situation demand like sate security or crisis, no political banner or organization wont be needed READY for our student and young men as our history shows, and we easily can trust on.

ya, there is always pushing dashing in a crowd place, but if someone specially with superior physical advantage (in this case the army guys) beat you up, I dont think you will just walk away. Atleast in this case, I dont see any political issue with the students and if the Govt is smart enough they should act soon so that no political party can take advantage of this. What students demanded after the incidence is an open apology along with detention of the responsible army guy. But the camp authority disagreed with that due to their arrogance i guess. I am dissapointed with the Univ authority as well as they couldnt have a firm stand in favor of the students.

Sumon77
August 21, 2007, 12:55 AM
its probably some low level army guys. but DU students just had to do violent michils didnt they!? old habits...

Hope politics get banned in education forever ...

long live CT gov..
get your facts corrected. there was nothing political about the incidence. may be you dont mind if someone beat up you or your friend. but there are people who feel insulted if someone say bad words and later beat up with gang. isnt it same for local mastans beating a normal citizen?

Baundule
August 21, 2007, 01:43 AM
One food for thought:

If an army person is guilty of wrong doing and he is not punished by the army, what are the options for us to get the judgement?

You can now extrapolate it to the case where the Army is ruling the country and how much accounability they have to the people. Zero, no?

Sumon77
August 21, 2007, 02:06 AM
One food for thought:

If an army person is guilty of wrong doing and he is not punished by the army, what are the options for us to get the judgement?

You can now extrapolate it to the case where the Army is ruling the country and how much accounability they have to the people. Zero, no?
I dont think anybody here want army to rule for long term. Also nobody wants to go back to hasina khaleda era. A single incident should not be used to extrapolate, then there are thoudands from previous govts which showed they also didnt have any accountability to the people. However, I agree that if an army person is guilty and not punished by the army, we dont have any option, and thats why this is very crutial for CTG to do proper judgment in this particular incidence to show thier accountability.

PoorFan
August 21, 2007, 02:07 AM
ya, there is always pushing dashing in a crowd place, but if someone specially with superior physical advantage (in this case the army guys) beat you up, I dont think you will just walk away. Atleast in this case, I dont see any political issue with the students and if the Govt is smart enough they should act soon so that no political party can take advantage of this. What students demanded after the incidence is an open apology along with detention of the responsible army guy. But the camp authority disagreed with that due to their arrogance i guess. I am dissapointed with the Univ authority as well as they couldnt have a firm stand in favor of the students.
<!--StartFragment -->Sumon, I think you didn't get it right what I said in the 1st part of my previous post. I said not only this incident, but in general we BD people are always make thing worst out of nothing. It was an individual fight between two person or so, still we managed to make a chaos which leading / heading to a indefinite shutdown of University! This is ridiculous! Why an incident such as individual fight has to grow up to a mob riot?! Isn't it a typical disease of our society? And here I am not supporting that army guy, nor that student and of course don't see any political issue ( as you said ), though in later time there could be a doubt.

We don't know for sure why the initiative taken by the Univ Authority went in vain, and I thought at least they tried, and so far cant blame them. Rather the extreme demand of army camp removal ( which takes time to decide from higher command ) from student made the whole thing stuck I guess, as DS report suggest ( bellow ).

<!--StartFragment --> After the meeting Prof Haider said, "The officer-in-charge of the army unit Colonel Huda unconditionally expressed sorrow for the incident on behalf of his force and said they will take action against the responsible army personnel," but angry students demanded that the responsible apologize publicly and that the army camp be shifted.

PoorFan
August 21, 2007, 02:18 AM
One food for thought:

If an army person is guilty of wrong doing and he is not punished by the army, what are the options for us to get the judgement?

You can now extrapolate it to the case where the Army is ruling the country and how much accounability they have to the people. Zero, no?
<!--StartFragment -->What makes you sure, that the army person will not get punished if he proved guilty? Why we are in hurry to take everything on our hands like there is no tomorrow? What benefit can we get or lose if we always react like this way?

Baundule
August 21, 2007, 03:13 AM
<!--StartFragment -->What makes you sure, that the army person will not get punished if he proved guilty? Why we are in hurry to take everything on our hands like there is no tomorrow? What benefit can we get or lose if we always react like this way?^

Oh no! I am not taking it as 'sure'. But that is certainly a possibility. My question is, what can we do in that case? We have no option than plainly accepting it. Or?

Sumon77
August 21, 2007, 03:20 AM
<!--StartFragment -->Sumon, I think you didn't get it right what I said in the 1st part of my previous post. I said not only this incident, but in general we BD people are always make thing worst out of nothing. It was an individual fight between two person or so, still we managed to make a chaos which leading / heading to a indefinite shutdown of University! This is ridiculous! Why an incident such as individual fight has to grow up to a mob riot?! Isn't it a typical disease of our society? And here I am not supporting that army guy, nor that student and of course don't see any political issue ( as you said ), though in later time there could be a doubt.

We don't know for sure why the initiative taken by the Univ Authority went in vain, and I thought at least they tried, and so far cant blame them. Rather the extreme demand of army camp removal ( which takes time to decide from higher command ) from student made the whole thing stuck I guess, as DS report suggest ( bellow ).

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ya.. it is a disease in our society to make chaos of small things. Thats why the authority either univ or army, should act promptly. I think, an apology in public would calm down the situation instantly. Demand of removal of army camp is illogical IMO.

Baundule
August 21, 2007, 03:20 AM
I dont think anybody here want army to rule for long term. Also nobody wants to go back to hasina khaleda era. A single incident should not be used to extrapolate, then there are thoudands from previous govts which showed they also didnt have any accountability to the people. However, I agree that if an army person is guilty and not punished by the army, we dont have any option, and thats why this is very crutial for CTG to do proper judgment in this particular incidence to show thier accountability.

Sumon bhai,

Thanks for your valuable expression of thoughts. I agree with every word of it. The problem is, if Army rule is accepted for 'short term', they will make sure that they remain for a longer period. See the current CT Govt. They were supposed to be there for three months only and now they are in power for an indefinite period. They will not leave the power willingly.

And if we don't have the Goldfish memory, why do we already forget about Zia, Ershad etc. etc.?

Hasina-Khaledas were problems. But that does not mean that we will give up and let the Army decide our fate. We must have to try our best to democratically solve our problems. Ostrich algorithm is no solution.

PoorFan
August 21, 2007, 04:27 AM
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Oh no! I am not taking it as 'sure'. But that is certainly a possibility. My question is, what can we do in that case? We have no option than plainly accepting it. Or?
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Or what?? better go all out for a riot? for a few stupid arrogant guy ( the army and the student ) rest of all have to suffer big time? come on please, I am not asking to let it go either.


As I said, why we feel like there is no tomorrow? Why we feel we are out of option instantly? Certainly the student and university authorities should keep asking for justice to the authority ( may take some time ), but that doesn't mean by vandalizing public properties all over the places around?! not by shutting down universities and academic programs?! This stupid tradition simply has no justification and must have to stop. The way students are making havoc all over the places around the university ( still today ), I don't see much difference with BAL / BNP havoc on the street in the time of 'hortal' and 'blocked'. The way they are showing their so called protest still today, cant deny either if some group of student taking political advantage out of this issue.

Lets not forget it was a mere fight among few individual, and the focus should be a proper settlement between both party, not spreading the mud all over! not destroying and violating other peoples property and right! How on earth these type of reaction can bring us good and justice?

PoorFan
August 21, 2007, 04:37 AM
ya.. it is a disease in our society to make chaos of small things. Thats why the authority either univ or army, should act promptly. I think, an apology in public would calm down the situation instantly. Demand of removal of army camp is illogical IMO.
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Baundule
August 21, 2007, 05:16 AM
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Or what?? ......these type of reaction can bring us good and justice?

PoorFan Bhai, I probably could not make my question focused enough. :(
My question was, 'what accountability does the Army have to the civilians like us'?

Who is right or who is wrong for the current incident is another story.

PoorFan
August 21, 2007, 06:00 AM
PoorFan Bhai, I probably could not make my question focused enough. :(
My question was, 'what accountability does the Army have to the civilians like us'?

Who is right or who is wrong for the current incident is another story.
<!--StartFragment --><!--StartFragment -->You mean army accountability to the people under SOE? I afraid there is almost none or ineffective, unfortunately.

Baundule
August 21, 2007, 06:34 AM
<!--StartFragment --><!--StartFragment -->You mean army accountability to the people under SOE? I afraid there is almost none or ineffective, unfortunately.
Exactly!
And that's the reason why Army should not rule the country, no matter what the situation is.

Puck
August 21, 2007, 07:11 AM
admittedly, there had been elements of corruption, sectarian violence and totalitarianism raising a permanent canopy over our heads since the inception of bangladesh. this forum is no different to life within bangladesh or outside of it in non-resident circles. each one of us have an opinion. some are vehement supporters of the army, others ardent followers of one of the two main political parties. littered amongst the two are the religious fanatics who raise a new dimension to the dissatisfaction.

i feel that it is time to forget the past demeanours and look at third world politics in general. i have been watching the programmes on india made by the bbc over the last month. the difference between india and pakistan is stark. one ruled by military despots for more than two third of its independent existence and the other ruled by democratically elected politicians. it isn't that there aren't deeper problems within both countires, but the non-army run country seems to have done so much better than the other that it is on the edge of being an economic superpower in the next fifty years.

it would be fair to say that bangladesh does not possess an intelligent electorate. that they can be manipulated by the politicians is old news. what is required is an evolution, not revolution. we need to be looking at grassroot projects and have a ten year plan to improve the country. my plan of action is as set out below.

1. reduce the size of the present army to one tenth of its size. for a small country with nuclear neighbours, we don't need to spend as much gdp on maintaining such a large armed force. a lot of the infantry could be better employed within the police, fire and ambulance services, all these being constantly short of young men to serve. increase the size of the engineering and medical core of the army, perhaps better pay incentives to recruit a higher calibre of officer and graduate class who could be mobilised easily to reach disaster areas.

2. the money that had been saved by cutting down on defence spending would be utilised fully to provide free education to all children upto the age of 16. there need not be matriculation of examinations, but the children must be attending school regularly. since a lot of children have to help their parents to earn bread for the family, i propose that we devise a plan for minimum 3 hours of school attendance five days each week, with some schools teaching in the early mornings and others in the evening. gradually, this three hour could be increased to five or six dependent on funds.

3. we need to make contingency plans to meet with regular flood related disasters. to this end i propose the complete rooting out of dhaka cantonment. there is no need for military presence in the captial once the police and other emergency services have the manpower they require. the army, and its revitalised medial and engineering core should be concentrated in small settlements all over the country, but especially near to disaster areas. in times of peace, the army would be providing hospitals and schools as well as maintaining the road and rail network.

4. within the higher education system i would like to introduce a three month military service for all university students who scored less than 60% in their first year university exam. these underachieving students would have to take a 3 month military service course that would be run by the highly educated medican and engineering core of the army. the students would be going through a physical education programme as well as being involved in socially beneficial activities. these activities would be to spend 3 hours each weekday on the free schools. the alternative to this would be to visit the slums or impoverished neighbourhoods and educate the dwellers about hygene issues, repair leaking roofs, clean up the dustbins and provide a general counselling service for the poor.

5. there is to be no taxation on men and women earning up to taka 5000 per month. i propose a flat rate income tax of only 5% for all men and women earning upto 25,000 taka per month. 8% tax for upto taka 50,000. a taxation of 10% for earnings upto taka 250,000. above that, there would be a flat rate tax of 15%. all manufacturing industries would not be liable to any taxation for the first two years. after that, the owners have to pay only a 12% tax but provide free healthcare and education to all workers and their immediate families. manufacturing industry owners providing a pension fund for their workers would be receiving a tax incentive of 2%. expats (living abroad for ten years of more), including those bangladeshi's born abroad returning to the country would not have to pay any income tax for three years if they are to return and work within bangladesh. however, if they decide to leave after three years, the back tax has to be paid at 20%. a tax heaven be established for any foreign national within bangladesh as long as they are prepared to bring in and invest 10 million us dollars. there would be no taxation for upto 5 years.

6. all children above the age of 10 have to learn a second language. this must be either, english, chinese, arabic, hindi or spanish. the underachieving students, mentioned in point number four would also be taking part in a crash course of intensive foreign language learning during their 3 months of military/social service. a free one week railpass would be given to each student who complete the course and return to education. this railpass could be utilised for travel in the railways in any direction within the length and breadth of the country. students who have successfully completed the military and social service would also be earning a diploma.

7. prison sentences for any graduate, other than those who had been convicted of violent crimes would be an optional 2 times the sentence working in the free schools, working for the specialised armed forces in constructing roads and rail networks or working in hospitals as orderlies or porters.

8. there is to be a system of regional assemblies. the country would be divided into four areas where regional assemblies would be responsible for the regional welfare, as well as security. the national parliament would be setup as a federal government with only 100 members of parliament. these would be elected through a system of proportional representation ensuring that women and ethnic minorities have effective representation. the federal government would be resposible for the fiscal policy, taxation, foreign policy, disaster management, control over the much reduced but highly skilled armed forces and for coordinating the national free education programme.

ensuring that ALL of the above are adhered to, in ten years time the rewards would be inesteemable.

Baundule
August 21, 2007, 07:16 AM
Excellent work, Puck! :applause:

Deserves to be a frontpage article.

Kana-Baba
August 21, 2007, 07:29 AM
Latest news: Ctg has decided toto remove Army camp from DU campus and it will start from from 8 PM.tonight.

Sumon77
August 21, 2007, 07:38 AM
Latest news: Ctg has decided toto remove Army camp from DU campus and it will start from from 8 PM.tonight.
Good and timely move by CTG.

Kana-Baba
August 21, 2007, 07:46 AM
Very smart move and timely move.

CTG should understand that they have done some mistakes and tension is building among the people. They should take steps to defuse those.

Mahmood
August 21, 2007, 07:50 AM
admittedly, there had been elements of corruption, sectarian violence and totalitarianism raising a permanent canopy over our heads since the inception of bangladesh. this forum is no different to life within bangladesh or outside of it in non-resident circles. each one of us have an opinion. some are vehement supporters of the army, others ardent followers of one of the two main political parties. littered amongst the two are the religious fanatics who raise a new dimension to the dissatisfaction.

i feel that it is time to forget the past demeanours and look at third world politics in general. i have been watching the programmes on india made by the bbc over the last month. the difference between india and pakistan is stark. one ruled by military despots for more than two third of its independent existence and the other ruled by democratically elected politicians. it isn't that there aren't deeper problems within both countires, but the non-army run country seems to have done so much better than the other that it is on the edge of being an economic superpower in the next fifty years.

it would be fair to say that bangladesh does not possess an intelligent electorate. that they can be manipulated by the politicians is old news. what is required is an evolution, not revolution. we need to be looking at grassroot projects and have a ten year plan to improve the country. my plan of action is as set out below.

1. reduce the size of the present army to one tenth of its size. for a small country with nuclear neighbours, we don't need to spend as much gdp on maintaining such a large armed force. a lot of the infantry could be better employed within the police, fire and ambulance services, all these being constantly short of young men to serve. increase the size of the engineering and medical core of the army, perhaps better pay incentives to recruit a higher calibre of officer and graduate class who could be mobilised easily to reach disaster areas.

2. the money that had been saved by cutting down on defence spending would be utilised fully to provide free education to all children upto the age of 16. there need not be matriculation of examinations, but the children must be attending school regularly. since a lot of children have to help their parents to earn bread for the family, i propose that we devise a plan for minimum 3 hours of school attendance five days each week, with some schools teaching in the early mornings and others in the evening. gradually, this three hour could be increased to five or six dependent on funds.

3. we need to make contingency plans to meet with regular flood related disasters. to this end i propose the complete rooting out of dhaka cantonment. there is no need for military presence in the captial once the police and other emergency services have the manpower they require. the army, and its revitalised medial and engineering core should be concentrated in small settlements all over the country, but especially near to disaster areas. in times of peace, the army would be providing hospitals and schools as well as maintaining the road and rail network.

4. within the higher education system i would like to introduce a three month military service for all university students who scored less than 60% in their first year university exam. these underachieving students would have to take a 3 month military service course that would be run by the highly educated medican and engineering core of the army. the students would be going through a physical education programme as well as being involved in socially beneficial activities. these activities would be to spend 3 hours each weekday on the free schools. the alternative to this would be to visit the slums or impoverished neighbourhoods and educate the dwellers about hygene issues, repair leaking roofs, clean up the dustbins and provide a general counselling service for the poor.

5. there is to be no taxation on men and women earning up to taka 5000 per month. i propose a flat rate income tax of only 5% for all men and women earning upto 25,000 taka per month. 8% tax for upto taka 50,000. a taxation of 10% for earnings upto taka 250,000. above that, there would be a flat rate tax of 15%. all manufacturing industries would not be liable to any taxation for the first two years. after that, the owners have to pay only a 12% tax but provide free healthcare and education to all workers and their immediate families. manufacturing industry owners providing a pension fund for their workers would be receiving a tax incentive of 2%. expats (living abroad for ten years of more), including those bangladeshi's born abroad returning to the country would not have to pay any income tax for three years if they are to return and work within bangladesh. however, if they decide to leave after three years, the back tax has to be paid at 20%. a tax heaven be established for any foreign national within bangladesh as long as they are prepared to bring in and invest 10 million us dollars. there would be no taxation for upto 5 years.

6. all children above the age of 10 have to learn a second language. this must be either, english, chinese, arabic, hindi or spanish. the underachieving students, mentioned in point number four would also be taking part in a crash course of intensive foreign language learning during their 3 months of military/social service. a free one week railpass would be given to each student who complete the course and return to education. this railpass could be utilised for travel in the railways in any direction within the length and breadth of the country. students who have successfully completed the military and social service would also be earning a diploma.

7. prison sentences for any graduate, other than those who had been convicted of violent crimes would be an optional 2 times the sentence working in the free schools, working for the specialised armed forces in constructing roads and rail networks or working in hospitals as orderlies or porters.

8. there is to be a system of regional assemblies. the country would be divided into four areas where regional assemblies would be responsible for the regional welfare, as well as security. the national parliament would be setup as a federal government with only 100 members of parliament. these would be elected through a system of proportional representation ensuring that women and ethnic minorities have effective representation. the federal government would be resposible for the fiscal policy, taxation, foreign policy, disaster management, control over the much reduced but highly skilled armed forces and for coordinating the national free education programme.

ensuring that ALL of the above are adhered to, in ten years time the rewards would be inesteemable.

This whole plan does not work, when you have leaders like Khaleda and Hasina running the country. Corruption takes over on every area and the funding is stolen. History repeats itself.

Banglatiger84
August 21, 2007, 08:08 AM
it isn't that there aren't deeper problems within both countires, but the non-army run country seems to have done so much better than the other that it is on the edge of being an economic superpower in the next fifty years.
.

You do realize that India is not doing better than Pakistan, and that its Indian hype that harps on India being a superpower ?

Pakistan's economy is not behind India's, infact Pakistan has a lower poverty rate and higher per capita GDP.

Sumon77
August 21, 2007, 08:35 AM
1. reduce the size of the present army to one tenth of its size. for a small country with nuclear neighbours, we don't need to spend as much gdp on maintaining such a large armed force. a lot of the infantry could be better employed within the police, fire and ambulance services, all these being constantly short of young men to serve. increase the size of the engineering and medical core of the army, perhaps better pay incentives to recruit a higher calibre of officer and graduate class who could be mobilised easily to reach disaster areas.

Puck bhai, good writing, though I disagree some part. As you mentioned at the begining, that India is doing way better than Pakistan. Now if you see, India is spending around 2.5-3% of its GDP for defence whereas bangladesh is spending 1.5%. Do you really think that only money is the problem? Dont you think proper planning, lack of vision, corruption and right person not in the right position are the problems that keeping us behind?

2. the money that had been saved by cutting down on defence spending would be utilised fully to provide free education to all children upto the age of 16. there need not be matriculation of examinations, but the children must be attending school regularly. since a lot of children have to help their parents to earn bread for the family, i propose that we devise a plan for minimum 3 hours of school attendance five days each week, with some schools teaching in the early mornings and others in the evening. gradually, this three hour could be increased to five or six dependent on funds.

For children education, if I am not wrong, its already free for girls till high school or primary school. But if possible i also agree that it should be expanded for boys as well. However, IMO, school education system should be unique, that is, madrasa system should be merged with school system.


3. we need to make contingency plans to meet with regular flood related disasters. to this end i propose the complete rooting out of dhaka cantonment. there is no need for military presence in the captial once the police and other emergency services have the manpower they require. the army, and its revitalised medial and engineering core should be concentrated in small settlements all over the country, but especially near to disaster areas. in times of peace, the army would be providing hospitals and schools as well as maintaining the road and rail network.

I dont find any relation to Army cantonment with flood in Dhaka. You should have given a better reason like trafic jam in Dhaka due to cantonment in the middle, which i agree. Army settlements or establishments are mainly decided from the strategic point of view, and its not the job of the army to provide hospital or school or maintaining rail and roads. Then what will Bangladesh railway, BRTC and other organization will do? You want to involve more army in civil jobs? I dont think there is any coutrny where army is involved in these in regular basis.

4. within the higher education system i would like to introduce a three month military service for all university students who scored less than 60% in their first year university exam. these underachieving students would have to take a 3 month military service course that would be run by the highly educated medican and engineering core of the army. the students would be going through a physical education programme as well as being involved in socially beneficial activities. these activities would be to spend 3 hours each weekday on the free schools. the alternative to this would be to visit the slums or impoverished neighbourhoods and educate the dwellers about hygene issues, repair leaking roofs, clean up the dustbins and provide a general counselling service for the poor.

why need to involve military here? A 3 months voluntary sevice can be make compulsory for all students after HSC or graduation. And you missed an important part in higher education that is, investment in universities for research.

5. there is to be no taxation on men and women earning up to taka 5000 per month. i propose a flat rate income tax of only 5% for all men and women earning upto 25,000 taka per month. 8% tax for upto taka 50,000. a taxation of 10% for earnings upto taka 250,000. above that, there would be a flat rate tax of 15%. all manufacturing industries would not be liable to any taxation for the first two years. after that, the owners have to pay only a 12% tax but provide free healthcare and education to all workers and their immediate families. manufacturing industry owners providing a pension fund for their workers would be receiving a tax incentive of 2%. expats (living abroad for ten years of more), including those bangladeshi's born abroad returning to the country would not have to pay any income tax for three years if they are to return and work within bangladesh. however, if they decide to leave after three years, the back tax has to be paid at 20%. a tax heaven be established for any foreign national within bangladesh as long as they are prepared to bring in and invest 10 million us dollars. there would be no taxation for upto 5 years.

I think this part is not this simple, experts can tell better.

6. all children above the age of 10 have to learn a second language. this must be either, english, chinese, arabic, hindi or spanish. the underachieving students, mentioned in point number four would also be taking part in a crash course of intensive foreign language learning during their 3 months of military/social service. a free one week railpass would be given to each student who complete the course and return to education. this railpass could be utilised for travel in the railways in any direction within the length and breadth of the country. students who have successfully completed the military and social service would also be earning a diploma.

the problem is, can you provide terachers for all these languages for all over the country? even english teachers are rare to find. and we already learn english as a subject from primary school.



8. there is to be a system of regional assemblies. the country would be divided into four areas where regional assemblies would be responsible for the regional welfare, as well as security. the national parliament would be setup as a federal government with only 100 members of parliament. these would be elected through a system of proportional representation ensuring that women and ethnic minorities have effective representation. the federal government would be resposible for the fiscal policy, taxation, foreign policy, disaster management, control over the much reduced but highly skilled armed forces and for coordinating the national free education programme.

i disagree, no need for regional assemblies, we are not that a big country with many ethnic minoroties. And women reprensentative doesnt require regional assmebly.

ensuring that ALL of the above are adhered to, in ten years time the rewards would be inesteemable.
how did you estimate the time span to be 10 years?

cricket_dorshok
August 21, 2007, 09:01 AM
Puck bhai, good writing, though I disagree some part. As you mentioned at the begining, that India is doing way better than Pakistan. Now if you see, India is spending around 2.5-3% of its GDP for defence whereas bangladesh is spending 1.5%. Do you really think that only money is the problem? Dont you think proper planning, lack of vision, corruption and right person not in the right position are the problems that keeping us behind?

For children education, if I am not wrong, its already free for girls till high school or primary school. But if possible i also agree that it should be expanded for boys as well. However, IMO, school education system should be unique, that is, madrasa system should be merged with school system.

The primary education is compulsory (and off course free) for all in Bangladesh. Not only Girls education is free but Girls are also getting money monthly (upo britty) up to 12 class (Govt. is planning to it up to graduation).


We don't have problem with planning, money or army. Our problem is the implementation the plans, lack of honest and visionary leadership. I personally believe if we get a set of honest leader to run the country, our country will be a way better in no times than our neighbors.

cricket_dorshok
August 21, 2007, 09:07 AM
Latest news: Ctg has decided toto remove Army camp from DU campus and it will start from from 8 PM.tonight.
smart move by CTG. hope students will calm down and no one will take undue(?) advantage out of this.

Sumon77
August 21, 2007, 09:59 AM
The primary education is compulsory (and off course free) for all in Bangladesh. Not only Girls education is free but Girls are also getting money monthly (upo britty) up to 12 class (Govt. is planning to it up to graduation).
...


thanks for the info.

Special 1
August 21, 2007, 10:14 AM
All of this is sheikh Hasinas fault. That evil witch, jail e jeyeo she can order her goons to burn busses and call strikes.

cricket_pagol
August 21, 2007, 10:21 AM
All of this is sheikh Hasinas fault. That evil witch, jail e jeyeo she can order her goons to burn busses and call strikes.

I feel bad for Special_1 Apa, she is not the same anymore :)

Special 1
August 21, 2007, 10:39 AM
No I have seeen the light at the end of the tunnel.
I even believe that there are strong links between 9/11 and Hasina. She wanted to destablise the world to win elections in BD. It makes sense doesnt it?

Puck
August 21, 2007, 11:07 AM
You do realize that India is not doing better than Pakistan, and that its Indian hype that harps on India being a superpower ?

Pakistan's economy is not behind India's, infact Pakistan has a lower poverty rate and higher per capita GDP.

in terms of manufacturing. foreign investment and education, the indians are doing vastly better than pakistanis. you are quoting figures that take into account percentage figures. india, having a larger population would certainly tarnish its figures. there are ni equivalents of the tech-towns of india anywhere in pakistan.

Puck
August 21, 2007, 11:30 AM
Puck bhai, good writing, though I disagree some part. As you mentioned at the begining, that India is doing way better than Pakistan. Now if you see, India is spending around 2.5-3% of its GDP for defence whereas bangladesh is spending 1.5%. Do you really think that only money is the problem? Dont you think proper planning, lack of vision, corruption and right person not in the right position are the problems that keeping us behind?

my comments were based on turning a new leaf over and forgetting the corruption and military rule of the past.

we should not be comparing the indian defence spending to that of bangladesh. india is a regional powerhouse possessing a superior military and with a need for possessing it. pakistan is justtified in maintaining its military forces as well in countering the indian threat. there are no such defensive needs to maintain an army within bangladesh. the supporters of the army point out corrupt politicians and how the army have rescued the country from the bouts of these politicians. strictly speaking, that does not justify the need for an army. the concept of the army is not as an overseer or law and order. it is to defend the borders. the police force should be upholding law and order.

For children education, if I am not wrong, its already free for girls till high school or primary school. But if possible i also agree that it should be expanded for boys as well. However, IMO, school education system should be unique, that is, madrasa system should be merged with school system.

i proposed a compulsary free education for all children, male and female upto the age of 16. i am afraid, the country does not provide that. i also proposed that the funding would be from savings made in defence related spending and through reducing the size of out present infantry base. the madrasa system would eventually be totally absorbed into the system with little or no need for it if compulsory free education for all children below the age of 16 could be implemented.

I dont find any relation to Army cantonment with flood in Dhaka. You should have given a better reason like trafic jam in Dhaka due to cantonment in the middle, which i agree. Army settlements or establishments are mainly decided from the strategic point of view, and its not the job of the army to provide hospital or school or maintaining rail and roads. Then what will Bangladesh railway, BRTC and other organization will do? You want to involve more army in civil jobs? I dont think there is any coutrny where army is involved in these in regular basis.

here you have failed to follow the premise of the article! with a vastly smaller army and much of it based on the officer class comprising of engineering and meduical graduates, i am proposing small centres of cantonments all through the country, but especially in areas that are constantly flooded. the dhaka cantonment should be flattened and sold into the public sector. the reorganised army, with its emphasis in technical expertise would be liasing with civil authorities and serving people where the civil authorities can't supply enough hospital beds, maintain the roads and general infastructure.

why need to involve military here? A 3 months voluntary sevice can be make compulsory for all students after HSC or graduation. And you missed an important part in higher education that is, investment in universities for research.


this is all part of my general scheme to have a spealised armed forces but also to have an option for general mobilisations. this also targets the 'slackers' in university and focus them on the real needs of the country, its social problems.

the problem is, can you provide terachers for all these languages for all over the country? even english teachers are rare to find. and we already learn english as a subject from primary school.

learning a foreign language is seen as a skill in many of the developed countries. it also introduces the children to other cultures thus making them more aware of their position in the world. as for the lack of teachers, we'd have to train them.

i disagree, no need for regional assemblies, we are not that a big country with many ethnic minoroties. And women reprensentative doesnt require regional assmebly.

regional assemblies with take politics down to the people. the villagers would have more direct contact with their politicians instead of seeing ministers and mps working in glasshouses in the capital of the country. region based politics would also attract vast investments in those parts of the country.

how did you estimate the time span to be 10 years?

because that would be half a generation. an educated workforce and populace would in turn transform the nature of politics and deal with social problems more effectively.

the core of my ideas basically puts education as the main solution to our problems in the long term. education leads to aspiration and ultimately social mobility. i am not claiming my poposals to be a coherent system. they were only jotted down over the process of half an hour this morning. however, it is new thought and a departure from our present thought process

Murad
August 21, 2007, 12:33 PM
after reading some news about the protests.. im feeling like political parties are involved in this.. almost all the universtity students are on the street.. those stupid parties are doing this by the students... students are doing this for money..thats for sure...

erokom korle shob uni theke army chole jabe so tara aager shob ku-kormo abar shuru korte parbe... stupid students n their politics...

Pundit
August 21, 2007, 12:38 PM
Any talk about not having an Army is senseless. They are not the reason for our poverty. The issue should be whether the BD army is fit for its " prime objective," and if a civilian administration can call upon it for humanitarian partnership without undermining the concept of civilian governance.

So, you may argue, still, that what can this army do if India decided to "run over" us? Some like minded individuals would also argue that India would never run over us :)

Considering the first scenario, I for one don't want to pull out my confectionary store plastic gun to take them on after having decided that I am indeed a patriotic Bangladeshi, when the drum of foreign enemy are within earshot. I sure would like to rally with my brothers who have something more substantial.

Or are you saying that since we know we will lose anyway, why not surrender without a fight. Maybe then they will show us mercy and send us to Bangalore to learn computer programming, or over to Shialkot to learn how to make cricket bats?

cricket_dorshok
August 21, 2007, 12:38 PM
Man Puck: I think there are lot of planning on education or any other sectors has been done. As I stated earlier, we don't have problem to make a plan. We have problem to execute them. For example, primary education is compulsory (also free) for all in BD. Facilities of Girls education is better than a lot of country. Govt. provide money (monthly) to every single girl student up to class 12. Do you think after introducing these two programs our all kids have primary education and all girls go to school up to class 12. No, the scenario did not change that much. This is because the lack of implementing or you can say unwillingness to implement. Authority was busy to decide on who declared the independent, they were busy on 'churi-dakati' by every possible means. They don't care whether the whole nation get the proper education or not. They send their kids to the west or they employed their kids in 'churi-dakati'. Now you may ask then why they introduced such a program. They did this so that they can show their 'provu' to get some 'vikkha' and lion share of them can put into their pocket.

Pundit
August 21, 2007, 02:57 PM
I am not sure how much some of you are happy with the escalation of violence? Students actually have a 5 point demand, and the army chief has to aplogize. Man, can they not even study 5 hours a day - or better still, study and attend classes for 5 hours a day. And those commie teachers have also joined the bandwagon.

BD people are corrupt by birth.

AsifTheManRahman
August 21, 2007, 03:24 PM
BD people are corrupt by birth.

I must admit that this is the most appropriate remark about corruption in Bangladesh that I have ever come across. The roots of corruption lie in society, in the way kids are brought up from day 1.

Kana-Baba
August 21, 2007, 06:29 PM
BD people are corrupt by birth.

Just wondering, are you corrupted or a non-bangladeshi by birth?

Hatebreed
August 21, 2007, 08:00 PM
No I have seeen the light at the end of the tunnel.
I even believe that there are strong links between 9/11 and Hasina. She wanted to destablise the world to win elections in BD. It makes sense doesnt it?

Special_1 apa dekhi manoshik bharshammo hariye felechhen. Taratari daktar dekhan.

Omio
August 21, 2007, 08:39 PM
No I have seeen the light at the end of the tunnel.
I even believe that there are strong links between 9/11 and Hasina. She wanted to destablise the world to win elections in BD. It makes sense doesnt it?
:o:o

Sumon77
August 21, 2007, 09:01 PM
after reading some news about the protests.. im feeling like political parties are involved in this.. almost all the universtity students are on the street.. those stupid parties are doing this by the students... students are doing this for money..thats for sure...

erokom korle shob uni theke army chole jabe so tara aager shob ku-kormo abar shuru korte parbe... stupid students n their politics...
ya... looks like political parties have a hand in the situation. but now armuy camp is withdrawn, hope they have to go back to class. but the students/mastans behind this burning/vangchur should be brought under justice after the situation calm down to teach a lesson.

Sumon77
August 21, 2007, 09:04 PM
All of this is sheikh Hasinas fault. That evil witch, jail e jeyeo she can order her goons to burn busses and call strikes.
is it funny to you? i guess this is a eid day for you. students are on streets burning cars, they are out of their classes where they belong. i guess none of your brother sister study in BD public universities. you people are just as rotten as our politicians.

Ahsan
August 21, 2007, 10:18 PM
I would like to have a Bangladesh both without Student Politics backed by parties and Army! Both of them are no use. Now kill me if you want!

Sohel
August 21, 2007, 10:20 PM
Let this be a useful lesson for those in the Army who feel free to indulge in unbecoming conduct because of the uniform, especially under these critical circumstances. The suspended soldier, currently under military investigation, should be made into an example. The police should also be similarly investigated held accountable for brutality and use of excessive force.

Sadly, politicos taking advantage of these circumstances - just as they tend to with every other incident, including the floods - to establish their own dubious agenda are probably going to get away with it. I just hope that the DU campus does not again become the incubus of traditional "student" politics, all too often led by non-students, to disrupt and terrorize the sort of campus life over 90 percent of the DU students want to experience.

AsifTheManRahman
August 21, 2007, 10:22 PM
I would like to have a Bangladesh both without Student Politics backed by parties and Army! Both of them are no use. Now kill me if you want!

I'm sure that's what we all want, in the long run :)

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 01:38 AM
is it funny to you? i guess this is a eid day for you. students are on streets burning cars, they are out of their classes where they belong. i guess none of your brother sister study in BD public universities. you people are just as rotten as our politicians.

Totally uncalled for. It is in no way eid for me, I have lots of friends who go to DU and all this upsurge is causing me a lot of inconvienence as i cannot move around the city. And who the hell are you to know what is going on here. You are not even in the country, so bugger off. Mani desher bahire thike mastani. This was envitable, people are pissed off at this government and its high time these guys realised it, if they did this wouldnt have happened.

cricket_pagol
August 22, 2007, 01:52 AM
Totally uncalled for. It is in no way eid for me, I have lots of friends who go to DU and all this upsurge is causing me a lot of inconvienence as i cannot move around the city. And who the hell are you to know what is going on here. You are not even in the country, so bugger off. Mani desher bahire thike mastani. This was envitable, people are pissed off at this government and its high time these guys realised it, if they did this wouldnt have happened.

Special_1 apa, you want us to believe that even after army camp was removed from the university, regular students are out on the streets breaking cars and vandalizing public property. Is your friend out on the street vandalizing public property? I know my university going friends are not out on the streets breaking cars. I am all for peaceful protests. Just because you support the activities of a particular political party, doesn't mean you have to be blind.

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 02:14 AM
Totally uncalled for. It is in no way eid for me, I have lots of friends who go to DU and all this upsurge is causing me a lot of inconvienence as i cannot move around the city. And who the hell are you to know what is going on here. You are not even in the country, so bugger off. Mani desher bahire thike mastani. This was envitable, people are pissed off at this government and its high time these guys realised it, if they did this wouldnt have happened.
Do you have your OWN BORTHER or SISTER in DU/RU/CU/JNU protesting against the govt in the street, breaking and burning public cars? friends? huh.....
if you are also pissed off to the govt and support the activity, please join them. Do you own a car? or your family? please take it out and burn it in the street as a protest.
ya, i am not in the country, but my whole family is there and i am happy that your so called "deshpremic" politicians cant call hartal through which my family members have to go to office taking life risk.

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 02:19 AM
Special_1 apa, you want us to believe that even after army camp was removed from the university, regular students are out on the streets breaking cars and vandalizing public property. Is your friend out on the street vandalizing public property? I know my university going friends are not out on the streets breaking cars. I am all for peaceful protests. Just because you support the activities of a particular political party, doesn't mean you have to be blind.

Cricket_pagol Apa,
Well I do not want you to believe anything, you can believe whatever you want. This upsurge was not about that simple incident in DU, it has many more dimenstions to it. Well if it is not regualr students, then point out who they are? As a matter of fact i feel tht many posters on this forum are blind to a lot of things that are going on in the country.

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 02:38 AM
Do you have your OWN BORTHER or SISTER in DU/RU/CU/JNU protesting against the govt in the street, breaking and burning public cars? friends? huh.....
if you are also pissed off to the govt and support the activity, please join them. Do you own a car? or your family? please take it out and burn it in the street as a protest.
ya, i am not in the country, but my whole family is there and i am happy that your so called "deshpremic" politicians cant call hartal through which my family members have to go to office taking life risk.

Whats your point? Alll i see is some pointless rant?
Y do i have to have my own borthers and sisters in sny of the amove universities for me to make a judgement? I am sorry, this whole thing was the army and the governments fault, do not blame the students for simply executing what was simply inevitable.
And please do not try to blame this on political parties, they were not involed in this at all. Just admit the facts and pray that the situation diffuses itself, although things look bleak.

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 02:55 AM
Whats your point? Alll i see is some pointless rant?
Y do i have to have my own borthers and sisters in sny of the amove universities for me to make a judgement? I am sorry, this whole thing was the army and the governments fault, do not blame the students for simply executing what was simply inevitable.
And please do not try to blame this on political parties, they were not involed in this at all. Just admit the facts and pray that the situation diffuses itself, although things look bleak.
what are you taking about? what was inevetable? do you think general students care about who is ruling the country? no they dont. they want a peaceful student life and a decent job after graduation. I understand the sentiment at the first day and if you go through the previous posts, you will see i blamed army for the incident. but now they have withdrwan the camp from campus, so whats the issue now? this is now politically backed up.
From your writings, i feel that you have support on this activity which includes violence through protest and demosntarion on the streets. Its romantic to watch the protests on TV channels, but if your brother sister is there in the middle, you will see what is important.. protest against the govt or the safety of your familiy members.

Sohel
August 22, 2007, 03:00 AM
Trying to make the blind see, especially the ones who have made themselves so and would have us believe that they actually like being what they are, is pointless. Unless it is the bitchfest that passes as the "point". Let them embarrass themselves.

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 03:21 AM
what are you taking about? what was inevetable? do you think general students care about who is ruling the country? no they dont. they want a peaceful student life and a decent job after graduation. I understand the sentiment at the first day and if you go through the previous posts, you will see i blamed army for the incident. but now they have withdrwan the camp from campus, so whats the issue now? this is now politically backed up.
From your writings, i feel that you have support on this activity which includes violence through protest and demosntarion on the streets. Its romantic to watch the protests on TV channels, but if your brother sister is there in the middle, you will see what is important.. protest against the govt or the safety of your familiy members.

it was inevitable this kind of uprise. The incident at the university is just an uchila. Students do not care about who is ruling the country, but they do care about what is going on in the country. I am sorry a peaceful student life does not exist not does job security and this government, have not taken any steps towards that and actually since investors are apprehensive new jobs are not being created. On top of that the prices of essential goods does not help the cause. Maybe I dont care if the price of rice is 50 bucks a kg, but there are a lot of people who do. 35 taka Kg of rice is not normal, 85 taka kg dal is not normal, and this government hasnt been able to do anything, all talk nothing of substance. All these are some of the reasons and if there was no clamp down on politics ei bhangchur hoito nah, if people could express their opinions throughout the last six months ajke ei jinish hoito nah.
Plus its the police who are creating all the genjam, ki dorkar to be aggressive and provoke an angry group of students?
I have no support for any of the activities that are going on, not from the governments side, nor from the students side. Like i sed, all this is causing problems for me, my work. All i am saying is that it was inevitable.

Baundule
August 22, 2007, 03:50 AM
Nice to see so many 'sushil' thoughts. :)
Students and only students are the culprits. ;)
They don't study, they are criminals, they are terrorists. They must concentrate only on their studies. They must not think about the country, not about the society, not about politics, not about anything but studies to become Secretaries and 'yes man' to the government.

If students from all over the country are protesting, then it must be because they all are polluted by the politicians; not because of the unelected CT govt, not because of the Army ruling, not because of the even more darkness in the future, not because of democracy.

Students must close their eyes. And only that way they can serve the 'Sushil' shomaj, serve the country, serve the Angels, sreve the proud Army, serve the nation, serve the Autocracy! And yes, students are all fools and corrupted, they still think about democracy, while autocracy will bring all the happiness and pride to the nation!

It's so sad that the students can not become 'Sushil'. :(

Spitfire_x86
August 22, 2007, 04:58 AM
Movement? What movement? Does this even qualify as a movement? The army officials involved should be detained, and the students suspended. Both parties are to blame.
Spot on.

I'm speaking as a strong opposer of non-democratic governments. Whether or not Army should rule is a completely different topic. This chaos is creation of the same old university resident (not student by any definition) political thugs.

In a nutshell,

university student CAN be university resident
university resident DOES NOT necessarily mean university student
this movement is NOT a general student movement against the oppressing force

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 05:19 AM
Baundule bhai, its good to have a political conscious student society where they will raise their voice neutrally whenever necessary along with their normal duty of study. But why violently? In this particular case, when their demand of removing the army camp is fulfilled, why they have to continue? why they have to pay the price to bring back hasina, khaleda? why so impatient? CTG already told that they will hold election by 2008. why not wait and see? if you still erge to have an election right now.. isnt it that you want to elect the same corrupted leaders?
I personally dont support the idea of students doing activities for politics, democracy or whatever. only those matters directly related to them, like tution fees, study envioronment, quality of study and so on, they should be aware of. And sepcially why public university students have to do this all the time? THere is no activity in private universties.. right? Public university students already lagging due to session jam, why extend it more? the job market is competetive now and their activity of "saving the country" will not be considered for finding a job.
From my experience in DU since 95, i didnt find my friends, who were normal students like me are willing to go to streets to protest. Even, the guys in the hall, were only going out to keep their seats. So i dont buy that, general students are wlling to demonstrate in the streets even after their demand of removing the camp has been done. I will be more than happy, if i see them graduating in time and serving themselves and their families.

Sohel
August 22, 2007, 05:23 AM
Breaking news from Dhaka.

Using the incident as the excuse they were looking for, BAL/BNP/JIB and their "student" hooligans from BCL/JCD/ICS are rioting on the streets of Dhaka, in a last gasp effort to return to the good old days of corruption, nepotism and the mockery of democracy they benefited from. Their "professors" and other local as well as well known NRB chamchas are "intellectually" and financially assisting in the wanton destruction of public property, looting and other violent crimes against a largely terrorized people of the city. By further polarizing themselves from the people of Bangladesh and their aspirations, this maybe the final nail in the coffin of the major political parties. The public backlash will be comprehensive, and the elections next year will put these criminal SOBs exactly where they belong. The individuals responsible for this will be easily identified, hunted down and brought to justice.

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 05:30 AM
Breaking news from Dhaka.

Using the incident as the excuse they were looking for, BAL/BNP/JIB and their "student" hooligans from BCL/JCD/ICS are rioting on the streets of Dhaka, in a last gasp effort to return to the good old days of corruption, nepotism and the mockery of democracy they benefited from. Their "professors" and other local as well as well known NRB chamchas are "intellectually" and financially assisting the wanton destruction of public property, looting and other violent crimes against a largely terrorized people of the city. By further polarizing themselves from the people of Bangladesh and their aspirations, this maybe the final nail in the coffin of the major political parties. The public backlash will be comprehensive, and the elections next year will put these criminal SOBs exactly where they belong. The individuals responsible for this will be easily identified, hunted down and brought to justice.

source please.

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 05:32 AM
curfew from 8 PM tonight in dhaka and all other major cities.

Sohel
August 22, 2007, 05:37 AM
source please.

I'm in Dhaka watching it go down live. Two of my employees have been directly affected. Quddus 21, a messenger just had his skull cracked opened by one of the picketers, the rickshaw he was riding burned, and the rickshawalla beaten up and also hospitalized. Jaya, 25, an assistant was also assaulted in front of her 9-year old son as she and other passengers were forced to get off the bus they set fire to. Things are happening as we speak and being covered extensively by the media. You'll see everything you choose to see while we are forced to deal with the less than abstract at this moment.

Nocturnal
August 22, 2007, 05:40 AM
I came across this article today. not wholly agree with the writer Learning things the hard way (http://www.e-bangladesh.org/2007/08/21/learning-things-the-hard-way/)

Nocturnal
August 22, 2007, 05:41 AM
curfew from 8 PM tonight in dhaka and all other major cities.

source please


edit: ok I just saw it in Daily Star headline. damn!

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 05:57 AM
So boundule bhai.. your hope finally came true. DU student vs army could create chaos again. Are you happy now?

Sohel
August 22, 2007, 06:07 AM
So boundule bhai.. your hope finally came true. DU student vs army could create chaos again. Are you happy now?

The BCL/JCD/ICS guys involved in the rioting represent a very small percentage of the students. They're quickly withdrawing after initial police assaults. The ones staying behind are hired goons and thugs who want the good old days of extortion and petty crime to return. Neither the people nor most of the students are with them. Let the events unfold and you'll see the type of irreversible damage BAL/BNP/JIB and their allies have done to themselves in terms of public support. This is the last twitch before death, brought about by nothing other than their own arrogance and lust for power.

After Hasina managed to assassinate her father and Khaleda and son their sole claim to power a second time, their combined desperation is bringing a terrible chapter in our history to a close.

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 06:08 AM
aro genjam on the way.
Govt asked students to vacate dorms in DU, and the students will not.

And its not only public univesities nemore, private unis in dhanmondi also got involved.

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 06:10 AM
I'm in Dhaka watching it go down live. Two of my employees have been directly affected. Quddus 21, a messenger just had his skull cracked opened by one of the picketers, the rickshaw he was riding burned, and the rickshawalla beaten up and also hospitalized. Jaya, 25, an assistant was also assaulted in front of her 9-year old son as she and other passengers were forced to get off the bus they set fire to. Things are happening as we speak and being covered extensively by the media. You'll see everything you choose to see while we are forced to deal with the less than abstract at this moment.

Well chuti diye den lok jon der.
yeah the situation is beyond control i have been following the news all day and calling curfew was another mistake on the part of the govt.

Spitfire_x86
August 22, 2007, 06:14 AM
I saw 2 burnt buses today, and one covered van with a smashed windshield (One near Mouchak market). In every few hundred yards in the street you could find broken vehicle glass. And these are not really the edgy places of the city.

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 06:16 AM
I came across this article today. not wholly agree with the writer Learning things the hard way (http://www.e-bangladesh.org/2007/08/21/learning-things-the-hard-way/)

y not? This is exactly what is going on in the country. Not to mention other things.

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 06:19 AM
Well chuti diye den lok jon der.
yeah the situation is beyond control i have been following the news all day and calling curfew was another mistake on the part of the govt.
ya... calling hortal is a mistake.. and burning buses is a good deed...isnt it?

reverse_swing
August 22, 2007, 06:19 AM
The ones staying behind are hired goons and thugs who want the good old days of extortion and petty crime to return.


Well said. This is a well planned organized crime. I don't believe any normal students are behind this.

Puck
August 22, 2007, 06:20 AM
I'm in Dhaka watching it go down live. Two of my employees have been directly affected. Quddus 21, a messenger just had his skull cracked opened by one of the picketers, the rickshaw he was riding burned, and the rickshawalla beaten up and also hospitalized. Jaya, 25, an assistant was also assaulted in front of her 9-year old son as she and other passengers were forced to get off the bus they set fire to. Things are happening as we speak and being covered extensively by the media. You'll see everything you choose to see while we are forced to deal with the less than abstract at this moment.


the situation is extremely tense from what i have heard today. please convey my sympathises to your members of staff quddus and jaya.

the picketers who pick on innocent lives are nothing but thugs. the student politics and dissatisfaction is simply being used as a pretext by the violent mobs led by their political masters. at present, it appears the choice is between mob rule or an apolitical consensus led government backed by the military junta.

since you are in dhaka and old enough to know the history of unrest in bangladesh, what do you think is the ultimate solution?

as a non-resident, my feeling is that parliamentary democracy hasn't evolved to the stage where 'old-skool' politicians can be trusted to return to some modicum of uncorruptible democracy. similarly, any military junta led government that lacks general consensus of opinion is not favourable. i had thought that the present executives, backed by the military were bestowed with popular public opinion. are the present protests against the military or the executive, or perhaps both?

Puck
August 22, 2007, 06:25 AM
is e-bangladesh.com affiliated to awami league perhaps?

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 06:29 AM
is e-bangladesh.com affiliated to awami league perhaps?
strawberry // Aug 22, 2007 at 10:34 am
Thanks who are commenting. I’m pleased with your positive attitude.
A curfew’s been declared from 8pm today. I’m not sure how long it’ s going to go. Would be interesting if students try to defy the ban. The decision came urgently after Square Offices were attacked. The students are now targeting advisers’ properties, offices and close contacts.
I’m fearing the worst really.

this comment is from the guy who wrote that article. For him its INTERESTING to see ppl suffer.

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 06:42 AM
Govt asked all mobile operators to keep the network shut from 6:00 to 8:30 pm

source: bdnews24.com

Puck
August 22, 2007, 06:45 AM
strawberry // Aug 22, 2007 at 10:34 am
Thanks who are commenting. I’m pleased with your positive attitude.
A curfew’s been declared from 8pm today. I’m not sure how long it’ s going to go. Would be interesting if students try to defy the ban. The decision came urgently after Square Offices were attacked. The students are now targeting advisers’ properties, offices and close contacts.
I’m fearing the worst really.

this comment is from the guy who wrote that article. For him its INTERESTING to see ppl suffer.


i only became aware of this publication after someone had mentioned it in an earlier thread. the editorial of 22nd august seemed to be a little to sympathetic to hasina so i had wondered if it was an awami league voice!

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 06:48 AM
Well said. This is a well planned organized crime. I don't believe any normal students are behind this.

No its not organized crime. This is anarchy in its true essence and its not normal students only, its every one which includes thugs and gundas as well.

Ahmed_B
August 22, 2007, 06:48 AM
Well said. This is a well planned organized crime. I don't believe any normal students are behind this.
Situation is much much more trickier than what it looked to be in at first thoughts... or even in secondary analysis. Much more deep rooted...

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 06:49 AM
Govt asked all mobile operators to keep the network shut from 6:00 to 8:30 pm

source: bdnews24.com

And how are people supposed to go home before the curfew starts? Very smart move.

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 06:56 AM
And how are people supposed to go home before the curfew starts? Very smart move.
i guess this is to break the network of the organized riot going on. though general ppl will suffer a lot.

Puck
August 22, 2007, 07:01 AM
since we are talking politics, what would be a neutral internet based newspaper that reports of bangladesh without any party of military affiliations?

PoorFan
August 22, 2007, 07:08 AM
This is simply great! My wife with 8 months old daughter and 3.5 years old son are about to land ZIA airport at 24.10 AM today. Now I just heard from my elder brother that there will be curfew from 20:00 PM. He told me that he must have to go airport before 20:00 PM and wait with car until my family land! He said he don't know what to do next after receiving my family, but will try to talk with airport police and RAB. Last time my younger sister got stuck in ZIA airport on her way back from Canada because of BAL blocked.

Someone please tell me why we the average people always has to pay for these type of unjustified stupidity?

cricket_pagol
August 22, 2007, 07:09 AM
Watch banglavision from here
http://www.jumptv.com/en/channel/banglavision/

I think asking general students to leave DU within 4/5hrs notice is harsh. They have to leave behind all their stuff, take shelter somewhere else.

Nocturnal
August 22, 2007, 07:10 AM
since we are talking politics, what would be a neutral internet based newspaper that reports of bangladesh without any party of military affiliations?

how would you define the bold word?

cricket_pagol
August 22, 2007, 07:13 AM
This is simply great! My wife with 8 months old daughter and 3.5 years old son are about to land ZIA airport at 24.10 AM today. Now I just heard from my elder brother that there will be curfew from 20:00 PM. He told me that he must have to go airport before 20:00 PM and wait with car until my family land! He said he don't know what to do next after receiving my family, but will try to talk with airport police and RAB. Last time my younger sister got stuck in ZIA airport on her way back from Canada because of BAL blocked.

Someone please tell me why we the average people always has to pay for these type of unjustified stupidity?

I feel sorry that you have to go through this :( What will happen to all those people who has to fly out of the country tomorrow...

Special 1
August 22, 2007, 07:15 AM
how would you define the bold word?

Objective, unbiased and words like that.
Ofcourse by that I mean views that match the things i want to hear.

Nocturnal
August 22, 2007, 07:16 AM
I think asking general students to leave DU within 4/5hrs notice is harsh. They have to leave behind all their stuff, take shelter somewhere else.

Just quoting from BDnews24: (http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=2&id=18703#tp18703)
Govt orders shutdown of universities, DU defies
Dhaka, Aug 22 (bdnews24.com) – The government Wednesday ordered all universities across the country and colleges in divisional towns to shut indefinitely.
Students have been asked to vacate dormitories by 8:00pm Wednesday.
But Dhaka University acting vice chanecellor AFM Yusuf Haider said the DU did not take any decision for dormitory vacation.
"Any decision asking students to leave dormitories has to be made by the university administration," he said.
Meantime, students took to the streets proetsting the order for a curfew and hall vacation.
Secretary of DU Teachers Association Anwar Hossain said the government cannot make such a decision. "Dhaka University is an autonomous body," he said.
All decisions must be made by the DU syndicate, he asserted.

Puck
August 22, 2007, 07:17 AM
how would you define the bold word?

i thought my question had defined it already without the need for counter definitions. by neutral i had meant no affiliations to the awami league, bnp, jamaat or the army. seeing the news how it happens and then reporting it without any vested interest other than to inform the reader how it happened.

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 07:17 AM
This is simply great! My wife with 8 months old daughter and 3.5 years old son are about to land ZIA airport at 24.10 AM today. Now I just heard from my elder brother that there will be curfew from 20:00 PM. He told me that he must have to go airport before 20:00 PM and wait with car until my family land! He said he don't know what to do next after receiving my family, but will try to talk with airport police and RAB. Last time my younger sister got stuck in ZIA airport on her way back from Canada because of BAL blocked.

Someone please tell me why we the average people always has to pay for these type of unjustified stupidity?
feel sorry for you. hope they will manage some way. they should be allowed to travel showing passport or any document issued by airport authority.

Nocturnal
August 22, 2007, 07:20 AM
Objective, unbiased and words like that.
Ofcourse by that I mean views that match the things i want to hear.

Exactly.

anyways, puck you can try Prothom-alo (http://www.prothom-alo.com/), The Daily Star (http://www.thedailystar.net/index.php) and BDnews24 (http://www.bdnews24.com/home.php). Those are neutral IMO.

Sohel
August 22, 2007, 07:35 AM
the situation is extremely tense from what i have heard today. please convey my sympathises to your members of staff quddus and jaya.

the picketers who pick on innocent lives are nothing but thugs. the student politics and dissatisfaction is simply being used as a pretext by the violent mobs led by their political masters. at present, it appears the choice is between mob rule or an apolitical consensus led government backed by the military junta.

since you are in dhaka and old enough to know the history of unrest in bangladesh, what do you think is the ultimate solution?

as a non-resident, my feeling is that parliamentary democracy hasn't evolved to the stage where 'old-skool' politicians can be trusted to return to some modicum of uncorruptible democracy. similarly, any military junta led government that lacks general consensus of opinion is not favourable. i had thought that the present executives, backed by the military were bestowed with popular public opinion. are the present protests against the military or the executive, or perhaps both?

I've posted some of my general views in one of your threads. Link: http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=23332&page=2

There is no alternative to the representative democracy people have fought and died for in 1971. That is the very "raison d'etre" for Bangladesh. Like many other Bangladeshis who believe that, I want free and fair elections under the letter and the spirit of our constitution. For that to happen in the real Bangladeshi context, the CTG needs to carryout the reforms they have undertaken since 1/11 by making Parliament approved, structural changes the BNP/BAL/JIB Mafiosi neglected to implement for obvious reasons during their 15 years of brigandage, nepotism and quite frankly - sedition. The Judiciary, the ACC, and the EC need to be made independent of the executive branch, and the authentic voter registration process underway in order to compile a real voter list, needs to be completed. Then as per the laws of the land, corruption and betrayal of the public trust also need to be held accountable before such elections take place. Black money and its influence in the electoral process are NOT legal, and provided the bitter experience over the last 15 years, totally unacceptable. If the people of Bangladesh choose to bring anyone who legally qualifies to compete in elections into power, that must be accepted. I have total faith in the wisdom of the Bangladeshi people, and firmly believe that the BAL/BNP/JIB Mafiosi and their allies would be firmly rejected at the polls. It is somewhat speculative to predict who will fill the vacuum and take us where we should be going. Whoever they maybe, they'll have to convince Bangladeshis of their credibility, and their firm commitment to continue what was started on 1/11. Genuinely strengthening and empowering local governments will start the process of building a genuinely de4mocratic culture at the grassroots level.

BTW, all the cynical smugness aside, we do not have Martial Law and the country is not being run by Martial Decrees. Our press is free and the courts are more independent than ever. This government, like all other governments over the last 15 years is military backed. So, pipe down on the Military Junta a bit will you please? We will never go back to the Bangladesh of the past, be it the mockery of democracy of the last 15 years, unless that's what voters want, or Martial Law for that matter. Many of us are prepared to die before letting that happen.

Latest news, there are gun battles between BAL/BNP/JIB thugs and the police in Dhanmondi and other places. My aunt's apartment complex was just broken into by a band of armed thugs who destroyed cars, burgled homes and assaulted terrified tenants. Several people have been hospitalized. The poorest people on the street and being hit the hardest as always. All mobile networks have been voluntarily shut down by the telecom companies as per previous agreements with elected governments.

cricket_pagol
August 22, 2007, 07:37 AM
I am assuming that all the private news broadcasts will be stopped for the time being... I hope the army will keep it's calm and don't go around shooting people.

Sohel
August 22, 2007, 07:41 AM
I am assuming that all the private news broadcasts will be stopped for the time being... I hope the army will keep it's calm and don't go around shooting people.

No media blackout. A reminder, this is our Army, not the Pakistani Army, protecting the public as well as public and now private property and doing their job.

Baundule
August 22, 2007, 09:06 AM
Baundule bhai, its good to have a political conscious student society where they will raise their voice neutrally whenever necessary along with their normal duty of study. But why violently? In this particular case, when their demand of removing the army camp is fulfilled, why they have to continue? why they have to pay the price to bring back hasina, khaleda? why so impatient? CTG already told that they will hold election by 2008. why not wait and see? if you still erge to have an election right now.. isnt it that you want to elect the same corrupted leaders?
I personally dont support the idea of students doing activities for politics, democracy or whatever. only those matters directly related to them, like tution fees, study envioronment, quality of study and so on, they should be aware of. And sepcially why public university students have to do this all the time? THere is no activity in private universties.. right? Public university students already lagging due to session jam, why extend it more? the job market is competetive now and their activity of "saving the country" will not be considered for finding a job.
From my experience in DU since 95, i didnt find my friends, who were normal students like me are willing to go to streets to protest. Even, the guys in the hall, were only going out to keep their seats. So i dont buy that, general students are wlling to demonstrate in the streets even after their demand of removing the camp has been done. I will be more than happy, if i see them graduating in time and serving themselves and their families.

Sumon Bhai,

I would be quite happy, if that would be the scenario. Unfortunately, it is not. Every time the students have to say their words, otherwise no one really cares. Let us go through the history and we can see who did all the protests of evil steps taken by the Government.

Students are not violent by born. They are made violent by every government, be it elected or caretaker, through the actions of the police. We are demanding the students to stop, why don't we say the same to the government and to the police?

According to my experience, no one, except the politicians, wants chaos in the first place. But once Police attcks the students, everyone with the minm of self-respect will protest. An army beating a DU student in DU campus is a great dishonor for every DU student having the minm of self-esteem. Some 'general' students may not be that much sensitive though, given they are living in the safe side.

PoorFan
August 22, 2007, 09:12 AM
feel sorry for you. hope they will manage some way. they should be allowed to travel showing passport or any document issued by airport authority.
Thank you Sumon and cricket_pagol. I am really worried now, since moving by car could be an easy target. I have been trying to call again not to do so, but couldn’t reach them. Its painful, God knows what will happen.

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 09:37 AM
Sumon Bhai,

I would be quite happy, if that would be the scenario. Unfortunately, it is not. Every time the students have to say their words, otherwise no one really cares. Let us go through the history and we can see who did all the protests of evil steps taken by the Government.

atleast this time, they protested in the first day and their demand was fulfilled by withdrawing army camp. so is there any other issue to continue the violence. What do you say? dont you think that now its the political parties who are playing in the ground in the name of general students?


Students are not violent by born. They are made violent by every government, be it elected or caretaker, through the actions of the police. We are demanding the students to stop, why don't we say the same to the government and to the police?

If you claim that today the protests in the street was by only GENERAL students, then i suppose they were the one doing blocking streets and burning cars (you cant deny it happened today). So what will police do? why the students came to street today in te first place? And if you agree that it was not general students, then we dont have to argue i guess, hope you wont mind police beating political thugs who were trying to unrest the public life.

According to my experience, no one, except the politicians, wants chaos in the first place. But once Police attcks the students, everyone with the minm of self-respect will protest. An army beating a DU student in DU campus is a great dishonor for every DU student having the minm of self-esteem. Some 'general' students may not be that much sensitive though, given they are living in the safe side.

As an ex-DU student, i understsand the sentiment at the first day and as an ex-DU student i also can claim that normal DU students will not go to this extent, only those political mastans will do that with their outside collaborators and also with the encouragement from some corrupted teachers (i guess).

Sumon77
August 22, 2007, 09:47 AM
Thank you Sumon and cricket_pagol. I am really worried now, since moving by car could be an easy target. I have been trying to call again not to do so, but couldn’t reach them. Its painful, God knows what will happen.
Since it will be a common problem for all the passengers coming from abroad tonight, so there should be some instruction from govt to airport authority. There will no voilance at night i think, and if they allow them to travel by car with some issued documents there will be no problem hopefully (though may be they will be stopped few times by road blocks). In the worst case, they may have to stay all night in the airport. Hopefully tomorrow the situation will be better, atleast they will withdraw the curfew for a definite period of time. Inshallah your family will reach home safely without any difficulty.

cricket_pagol
August 22, 2007, 10:45 AM
Thank you Sumon and cricket_pagol. I am really worried now, since moving by car could be an easy target. I have been trying to call again not to do so, but couldn’t reach them. Its painful, God knows what will happen.

Don't worry too much about it, because your brother is there. He knows the ground reality better than any of us. So i would trust their judgement.

i have trying to call my parents too, but I think after the cell phone operators shutdown the phone cards are not working anymore.

cricket_pagol
August 22, 2007, 11:05 AM
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Tigers_eye
August 22, 2007, 02:52 PM
Totally uncalled for. It is in no way eid for me, I have lots of friends who go to DU and all this upsurge is causing me a lot of inconvienence as i cannot move around the city. And who the hell are you to know what is going on here. You are not even in the country, so bugger off. Mani desher bahire thike mastani. This was envitable, people are pissed off at this government and its high time these guys realised it, if they did this wouldnt have happened.
There is no justification of destroying public property by any one. Doesn't matter how "pissed off" people are. All needs to be punished. Be it my son. And those who are fighting with guns against the police should be criminally prosecuted.

AsifTheManRahman
August 22, 2007, 04:05 PM
Oh my God. All this in the space of a couple of days, all this over a small soccer match incident that should have been taken care of then and there. Are we jokers or what?

PoorFan
August 22, 2007, 08:21 PM
Oh my God. All this in the space of a couple of days, all this over a small soccer match incident that should have been taken care of then and there. Are we jokers or what?
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shujan
August 22, 2007, 08:35 PM
Oh my God. All this in the space of a couple of days, all this over a small soccer match incident that should have been taken care of then and there. Are we jokers or what?

Lazy and insane. We lost our mind!

sunnyctg
August 22, 2007, 09:26 PM
gov doing the right job, politicians gonna aim on such a event and put money on these incident so it get worse. They probably did that anyway. And these incidents are blessing for political terrorist organisation in educational institute such as DU(so called student!)to start doing distruction. but hopefully gov gonna tackle this incident like they did others in past.
i saw on tv yest that one of the student reading out 5 demands and one of them is bring back the democracy in educational institute. HUH! ya right. we all know and seen what that means! Thanks but NO thanks! those so called student leaders dont understand is putting education institute to still only harms them but no one else. its their education is the one that going to be delayed.

to be honest, i m sick of bd politics. if army gonna rule the country, so be it. thats far better then corrupted politics.

Pundit
August 22, 2007, 10:49 PM
What can you say, my friends. You are witnessing the frailty of being Bengali left and right, from the streets of Dhaka to the internet asrom for the meek, here at Banglacricket.

Our cricket team is much better.

Maddog
August 23, 2007, 12:49 AM
I think a lot of the attitude towards this sort of vandalism has to do with the generational upbringing.. after talking and listening extensively to the elder generation i get a feeling they are still somehow living in the fanticized world of revolution... for them every problem has one single solution and that is anarchy.. they talk about parliamentary democracy but in their heart they are still living in the fantasy world of 'rajpoth' democracy.. for them whoever control the roads, control the governments and u see that same attitude in our elder politicians too. i dont blame them ofcourse. They hv fought 1971 war of independence. After that for most of their lives they have lived under dictatorial regimes and only way out was some sort of mass uprising, hence the fondness towards anarchy. They view it as a legitimate form of protest being completely ignorant of the massive loss to the economy. The point they miss so badly is this is no 71. every single hartal bleeds our economy. every single bus and car broken is ours, the square building set fire on is our industry, the innocent bystander that gets killed is my countrymen.. and our generation (I'm 30) is sick and tired of all this.. we hv seen the world around us and we see how the democracy is supposed to work and we hell know this IS NOT the way! we know very well every problem has a solution NOT through revolution but through discussion and mediation..

i know i am generalizing a lot .. but if u talk to the people of elder generation and new generation, u'll more or less agree with me. u'll see a distinctly different viewpoint regarding these sorts of movements!

PoorFan
August 23, 2007, 01:39 AM
Well said Maddog, sad thing is there are lots of young men too, who also have easy or fantasy mind of old days. They are also frustrated like us but their common and prompt reaction is,, 'there is no way but revolution'! not being fully aware of the difference of past, present and future and ofcourse consequences. I always wonder how easily they pick the word of 'revolution'.

Welcome to Banglacricket and enjoy your stay.

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samjad
August 23, 2007, 06:29 AM
What's the Latest news now from BD ? I know that we can't call any mobile phone.. how did ppl react with the curfew ?
I think that was the best response to calm the situation down. I strongly beleive that political parties were trying to escalate the situation which they managed to do. Though I feel sorry for the students in diff halls. As i was in that situation once. I remember few years back Police beat up Samsun nahar hall students and all the students exploded. At the time I saw how BNP caders were side by side with police and beating up normal students. We had to leave the halls in hours notice . But the situation is worse now.

Hope cg manages to handle the situation.

Sumon77
August 23, 2007, 06:42 AM
What's the Latest news now from BD ? I know that we can't call any mobile phone.....

I heard that the mobile network is ok now. You may try to call.

cricket_dorshok
August 23, 2007, 07:08 AM
I heard that the mobile network is ok now. You may try to call.
Yes, mobile phone network is OK. I called to BD.

RazabQ
August 23, 2007, 02:09 PM
PG-13 Advisory. This post contains some thinly veiled cussing.

Mad dog you said it. I'm sick of this "andolon" centric approach and propensity to live in the past. As myself (and NOT as a mod), I don't give a flying bleep about who was the declarer of independence or who was the father of nation. I was born a Bangladeshi; like it or not, take that for granted. I focus on the present and I see a country beset by problems. I wish the bleeping would-be-dynasties that run our political parties would get a move on and address those problems instead of taking turns to change textbooks in between their acts on wanton graft.

Students need to get back to studies. And the mastans posing as students and destroying public property need to have bamboo shoved up certain orifices typically utilized for outgoing activities.

Nocturnal
August 23, 2007, 05:51 PM
goto koek din a onek lekhai to porlam tobe shob cheye bhalo lagse ei lekha ta, try kore dekte paren: http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/debdarublog/28727290

Sumon77
August 23, 2007, 10:07 PM
goto koek din a onek lekhai to porlam tobe shob cheye bhalo lagse ei lekha ta, try kore dekte paren: http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/debdarublog/28727290
thanks Nocturnal bhai. a first hand writing.

cricket_pagol
August 24, 2007, 06:06 AM
This is an eye witness report of the violent activities that took place on Wednesday, August 22nd before the curfew started which involved the destruction of “Four Seasons” restaurant, situated at Dhanmondi Saat Masjid road opposite to Shankar Bus stand. The “four seasons” restaurant was opened recently and it’s a very neat place with a glass exterior. It is apparently not owned by anybody from the CTG. My parents live there, so they got to see the incident with their own eyes from the balcony of our rented apartment.
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My parents rushed to the balcony when they heard the sound of glass breaking. They saw a group student and some picketers breaking the glass exterior of the restaurant. The waiter and authorities of the restaurant were trying frantically to stop them but they were outnumbered. Then, mob took the furniture of the restaurant out on the street and put it on fire. Then, a small patrol of police came and tried to disperse the crowd, but they were chased by the mob. Then, the local people and waiters from the restaurant joined with the police and chased the picketers away. We have no association with the restaurant but I noticed that my parents and sister was very sad that such nice place was destroyed without any reason.
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This incident did not make it to the print or electronic media. Ask your relatives or friends living in that area to verify the incident. To me these incidents demonstrate the kind of public support these mob of students/hawkers/political goons have. The attack on square hospital is another incident that makes me really sad... why would somebody who is upset with price hike of essentials attack hospitals and public property. (As suggested by BBC report) I think the hawkers joined the students of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Dhaka</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> in Nilkhet area because they were evicted couple of months ago without proper rehabilitation. I wish the government were not so hasty with those evictions of poor people.
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BTW, I heard the name of the restaurant on the phone; I might not be 100% accurate with the name

cricket_pagol
August 24, 2007, 06:10 AM
goto koek din a onek lekhai to porlam tobe shob cheye bhalo lagse ei lekha ta, try kore dekte paren: http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/debdarublog/28727290

Nicely written, everybody should read this!!!

Baundule
August 24, 2007, 06:55 AM
Another nicely written experience from bdnews journalist Biplab Rahman. (http://www.sachalayatan.com/next/biplobr/8214)
Seems, students are not the only expert in Vangchur; our proud Army are also equally competent.

Sohel
August 24, 2007, 07:49 AM
When it comes to distrurbingly unreasonable opinions packed with thinly veiled ulterior motives that continue to embarrass nobody other than the tenacious spewer of the usual BS, all I can do at this point is to try and give a damn ... but wait !!! What's this?

http://img1.jurko.net/avatar_3629.gif

That goes for all "nattering Nabobs of negativism" on the subject.

cricket_pagol
August 24, 2007, 08:35 AM
Another nicely written experience from bdnews journalist Biplab Rahman. (http://www.sachalayatan.com/next/biplobr/8214)
Seems, students are not the only expert in Vangchur; our proud Army are also equally competent.

The harassment of the journalists was very bad... I guess the government order was not properly communicated to army properly, this shows an unacceptable level of unprofessionalism.
http://thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=1328

nsd3
August 25, 2007, 07:27 AM
Source: http://www.prothom-alo.com/index.news.details.php?nid=OTk4Mg==

কারিফউ চলাকােল োপশাগত দািয়তં পালেন িবিভনੱ সংবাদমাধઘেমর সাংবািদক-কমગীরা িবড়ਹনার িশকার হেয়েছন বেল োয সংবাদ পઝকািশত ও পઝচািরত হেয়েছ োস িবষেয় সরকােরর দৃিੈ অাকৄੈ হেয়েছ৷ গতকাল ੂਠઙবার সরকােরর এক তথઘ িববরণীেত বলা হয়, এ ধরেনর ঘটনা অনিভেপઝত ও দઓঃখজনক৷
তথઘ িববরণীেত অারও বলা হয়, ভিবষઘেত যােত এ ধরেনর ঘটনার পઓনরাবৃিਡ না ঘেট োস জনઘ সরকার অাইনশৃ੦খলা রਉার দািয়েতં িনেয়ািজত সংিশઇੈ সবাইেক সতকગ থাকার এবং সাংবািদক ও গণমাধઘমকমગীেদর োপশাগত দািয়তં পালেন সািবગক সহেযািগতা িনিઉচত করার িনেদગশ িদেয়েছ৷

Puck
August 26, 2007, 06:54 AM
i find it impossible to read bangla text on a computer screen. could someone please translate it?

cricket_pagol
August 26, 2007, 09:38 AM
goto koek din a onek lekhai to porlam tobe shob cheye bhalo lagse ei lekha ta, try kore dekte paren: http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/debdarublog/28727290

Blog of another DU student... better any bul**$it news analysis
http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/pioneerblog/28727736

Sohel
August 26, 2007, 09:56 AM
Blog of another DU student... better any bul**$it news analysis
http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/pioneerblog/28727736

Exceptional dig my brother, deserves its own thread. I am moved beyond words, and again find myself graced and humbled by the wisdom of fellow Bangladeshis. Thank you CP for finding this.

One World
August 26, 2007, 11:34 AM
This thread has too many links that can easily make an alumni emotional, no comments from my behalf.

Sumon77
August 26, 2007, 11:37 PM
http://www.petitiononline.com/free657/petition.html

Found this petition going on for the release of DU teachers. anybody inetersted?

ammark
August 27, 2007, 12:01 AM
http://www.petitiononline.com/free657/petition.html

Found this petition going on for the release of DU teachers. anybody inetersted?

Opposed fully to it. Never mind interest in agreeing with this petition.

PoorFan
August 27, 2007, 12:33 AM
Meanwhile, at least 50 journalists were brutally beaten up by security forces according to the nation's top media association, despite government assurances that the press would not face restrictions.

In addition, cases were filed with different police stations in the capital against 42,000 unidentified people, including students of major universities and colleges of Bangladesh.
<!--StartFragment -->Its all FUN ( Flying Unidentified Numbers ).

PoorFan
August 27, 2007, 12:45 AM
Blog of another DU student... better any bul**$it news analysis
http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/pioneerblog/28727736
<!--StartFragment -->Old days are gone when leaders 'bibriti' through news media was only source, now every individual has his own various channel to voice out, this is all good for new days, and political people should realize the difference. Nice find btw.

Miraz
August 27, 2007, 06:38 AM
http://e-mela.com/news/200708/20070825du_army_attack.jpg

No comments.

cricket_pagol
August 27, 2007, 07:18 AM
http://e-mela.com/news/200708/20070825du_army_attack.jpg

No comments.

This photo has been going around and CTG basher are treating it as a symbol for the imminent fall of CTG. I feel this creates the ground for Army heavy handedness which he we all dislike.

Puck
August 27, 2007, 08:02 AM
http://e-mela.com/news/200708/20070825du_army_attack.jpg

No comments.

[বাংলা] মার িদেঞ্ছ েকন ?[/বাংলা]

Fazal
August 27, 2007, 12:26 PM
This is a letter from Sanjeeb Hossain (son of Prof Anwar Hossian). This was published in dristipath (http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/08/27/letter-from-sanjeeb-hossain-regarding-du-teacher-anwar-hossain/#more-1326). I know that his son's version will be biased towards his father. But what saddens me is not the arrest, but again that ugly accusation of torture that is comming evey time this current government is interrogating someone.

I don't know these arrested Prof's backgraound. So I don't know their innocence nor am I sure about their (accused by the current gov) guilt. But in a civil society I hope any government SHOULD NOT use torture as a mechanism to punish or any accused person. If there is clear case, convict them, I have no problem with that. But torturing to get info, SORRY I CANNOT SUPPORT ANY GOVERNMENT THAT IS DOING THAT. There is so many cases (including jounalists) that I am hearing from soo many places, I have to beleive there is somthing going on.... and if it is true.... there is no way I can support this kind of activity.


As some of you may alreay know, I am very sensitive to government sponsored torture to accused person. And I don't want my home county government in thats list. But ai am loosing faith what I am hearing from different sources.


Subject: To the honored colleagues and loved students of my father Dr. M. Anwar Hossain who was recently arrested
Dear Sirs, Madams and Students of my father,
My name is is Sanjeeb Hossain. I am writing on behalf of my father Dr. M. Anwar Hossain who has been recently arrested at 12.20 am on August 24, 2007. I am aware that you had known him in different capacities. He is in urgent need of your help now.
The following account is a description of what happened when my father Dr. Anwar Hossain was taken away by the Military Intelligence of the Bangladesh Army:
At 12:15 am on August 24, 2007, we heard the consistent ringing of our doorbell. My father was asleep. My mother went to the door and heard shouts from outside to open it. She opened the door and 8-10 people barged into our house. They were all dressed in civilians clothes and carried heavy arms with them. They told my mother that they had arrived to take my father along with them. My father was asleep at that time. My mother woke him up and told him of what had happened. My father came out of the bedroom and addressed those who had arrived. He was very calm and confident while he spoke to them. He asked as to where he would be taken and how long he would be away from home. They replied saying that my father would be taken to the Shahbagh Thana (Police Station) for interrogation and that they did not know how long he would be away. When we asked them as to who they represented, they said that they were members of the Joint Forces, i.e. the Army. They also told my father, ‘Sir, we are the Bangladesh Army, not the Pakistan Army. We know that you are a patriot. Please be assured that you are in good hands’. We also came to know that two of the people who came were Commandos trained in Fort Bragg and Fort Benning in the US Army. Assuming that my father would not be returning in the next few days, my mother packed a small suitcase with several sets of clothes along with his medicine. It must be noted here that my father is a diabetic patient. This whole incident spanned over roughly 10 to 15 minutes. After this my father was taken away by them.

However yesterday ( August 25, 2007) at 4 pm, it was my father who suddenly called us from a number that we could not trace. I was able to speak with him for 15 seconds. He told me that he would be taken to the Lower court (known as the Chief Metropolitan Magistrate Court) and later on to the Shahbagh Police Station. My family along with the family of Dr. Harun Rashid (who has also been taken away like my father) rushed to the CMM court. After a long wait, my father Dr. Anwar Hossain and Dr. Harun Rashid were brought to the Court. The State pleaded that a remand of 10 days be given. At the end of it all, the judge granted 4 days of remand during which my father would be interrogated. I was fortunate enough to stand right beside my father. He gave me some extremely alarming news. He told me that the Army authorities had psychologically tortured him and even went to the extent of physically torturing him.

Being taken into ‘remand; is extremely alarming because ‘remand’ has a bad history in Bangladesh. It gives the State the opportunity to torture its victims and force them to say what they want to hear which is most of the time not true.
You all are aware of my fathers distinguished career as a scientist and academician. The following account will take you to his resume.
http://www.bmbudhaka.net/fac/mah.htm (http://www.bmbudhaka.net/fac/mah.htm)

As you probably know, there was severe agitation between the students of Dhaka University and the Army along with the police. We are apprehending that the present Non-Party Care Taker Government of Bangladesh is considering Dr. M. Anwar Hossain is an opponent. They probably hold the belief that he along with other renowned teachers of the Dhaka University have conspired and created this agitation. This is absolutely false. It is extremely unfortunate that academician like Dr. M. Anwar Hossain and others are being considered as opponents to the present government and are being falsely accused and tortured.

In this context I would be extremely grateful if you could use your influence to provide my father with any form of assistance and also convey this incident to the appropriate channels. In addition to this, please forward the link of his resume of his resume to the appropriate people. It will give them a picture of what he truly is, i.e. a Teacher a scientist and a researcher, not someone who is conspiring against the present government of Bangladesh. He really needs your help.
Thanking you with a lot of expectation and hope at heart.

Sanjeeb Hossain

Fazal
August 27, 2007, 12:34 PM
http://www.petitiononline.com/free657/petition.html

Found this petition going on for the release of DU teachers. anybody inetersted?


Thanks.... actually reading his son's letter I just did it. I am also sending the link some other people (that I know of) who migt be interested to doi so.

Puck
August 27, 2007, 12:49 PM
i don't particularly care how corrupt an individual is or from which side of the political spectrum they might be, they should all be tried with due process. there is no room for physical torture in a civilised society. if this man has been tortured i deplore it. the armed forces ought to be ashamed of themselves. there is absolutely no justification whatsoever with any form of torture.

Pundit
August 27, 2007, 03:17 PM
Just wondering, are you corrupted or a non-bangladeshi by birth?

The question should really be what you want me to be?

Sounds like yours was a rhetorical question, and as usual, a veiled attempt to go tangential off the main discussion here - a mature discussion around our Army and Democracy.

Baundule
August 28, 2007, 10:01 AM
-...the main discussion here - a mature discussion around our Army and Democracy.

One correction Pundit: 'and' should be replaced by 'or'. :-D

Pundit
August 28, 2007, 02:39 PM
One correction Pundit: 'and' should be replaced by 'or'. :-D

This is where you may be challenged, I think:

1) You are EITHER in support of the Awami League, and hence you cannot ever accept someone else, even if it's not the BNP, or 2) or your thoughts on the army is always referenced to '75 and not in the current context and the obscene levels of corruption that the 2 expected civilian & democratic rulers of the recent past had blindsighted themselves to.

Just what I think - prove me wrong?

So you may be right, it is the army OR democracy

or, AL/BNP AND Democracy.

The latter relationship was never allowed to be, and so we will indulge upon some tinkering at the expense of democracy.

I suggest that you right letters by the reams to whichever big party you espouse in and implore that they reform themeselves in a real and permanent sense. All else you are doing is a waste of time, unless you enjoy perceiving that your ego is soothed here by this voluminous banter.

Sauron
August 28, 2007, 09:57 PM
Baundule, your ruse is pathetically exposed. If you cannot see that democracy is something we have never truly had, then wasting bandwidth on you is what Pundit did. You saw hope in the clash between students and army???

Subcontinental brand of democracy is overrated. The average Bangladeshi does not care if Hasina received due process or if Khaleda did not get to ride her motorcade. All they care about is that there is a job that will let them fulfill their basic needs. A Mahathir Mohammed styled autocracy is far better than the brand of democracy that we have enjoyed in the past.

Those whose hearts pine for democracy, please identify specifically which time period in our hisory you r talking about. I would also appreciate if you can mention what you miss the most about that democracy.

Anyway, I think the CTG handled the situation exceptionally well. From my communication with BD, I know that general population did not know what to do for the first two days and beyond that they were totally opposed to the vandalism. The general students were motivated because they knew that their exams will be postponed if there was chaos. Argue all you want, but majority of the people (both in BD and in BC) realizes that this CTG is our best chance to get out of the vicious cycle.

Sohel
August 29, 2007, 02:53 AM
I have relatives littered across the political spectrum of Bangladesh. My grandmother was a BAL MP, my late step-father an advisor to KZ before the Tarique/JIB/JMB-era, his brother heads the WPB, and another one of my uncles from a different branch was an MP from BNP, before his short-lived Presidency. Most of the family has stayed more or less true to the Islam-inspired, anti-sectarian, left-wing politics of the late Maolana Bhashani. Nobody does or I reckon will ever do JIB. One of my distant uncles by marriage was a BAL MP during their reign from a constituency south of the Burhigaunga river. This is his story.

Too small a fish to fry for the ACC at this stage, he has been active in the mis and dis-information campaign to malign the reform activities of the CGT. His daughter, my cousin T, is a DU student with zero interest in traditional politics because 1) she has a moral foundation, 2) a conscience, 3) is patriotic, and 4) because she's in love with an "underground" rock guitarist nobody in the family, except yours truly, acknowledges as anybody other than a harmless pothead with musical ideas that'll never see the light of day until he quits taking bong-hits before breakfast, lunch and dinner.

They were over at my grandmother's house a couple of days ago, as the rioting was being neutralized by the government, and public peace was being quickly restored outside her residence in Dhanmondi. Drunk and blind with nothing other than his own political arrogance, not to mention vaguely provincial assumptions, he kept on saying "this is just the beginning, we have many other things in store." Embarrassed as usual by his antics, my aunt suddenly discovered something urgent back home she had to attend to without delay.

They left, and have dropped out of sight since then. Possibly left the country. Everyone except my cousin. Apparently she threatened to call the authorities if daddy didn't leave the country ASAP.

The disturbingly Pol Potian elements not withstanding, that's how the BAL/BNP/JIB Mafiosi have entered our privileged lives since the events, and getting more people behind the CTG and its essential reforms.

PoorFan
August 29, 2007, 04:12 AM
...They left, and have dropped out of sight since then. Possibly left the country. Everyone except my cousin. Apparently she threatened to call the authorities if daddy didn't leave the country ASAP.
<!--StartFragment -->Kudos to your cousin, I feel hope in next generation. This young generation has every channel in hand to gather information and can judge with sense, which hopefully may shift our destiny faster than we think.

Puck
August 29, 2007, 05:04 AM
if corruption and nepotism is endemenic in the country whoever rules the helm, what do you think would be the most effective form of consensus led government?

Sohel
August 29, 2007, 05:36 AM
<!--StartFragment -->Kudos to your cousin, I feel hope in next generation. This young generation has every channel in hand to gather information and can judge with sense, which hopefully may shift our destiny faster than we think.

I share your feelings and prayers wholeheartedly. I tend to meet quite a few of them, and they never fail to pleasantly surprise me. Especially the real students from DU continue to be an inspirational bunch, just read their blogs.

Sohel
August 29, 2007, 08:33 AM
Ittefaq link:http://www.ittefaq.com/get.php?d=07/08/29/w/n_zmktxx

Good to see the usage of video footage and photographs. 25 people have been arrested, and 31 cases have been filed so far in two groups of 15 and 16.

selina
August 29, 2007, 05:53 PM
They left, and have dropped out of sight since then. Possibly left the country. Everyone except my cousin. Apparently she threatened to call the authorities if daddy didn't leave the country ASAP.



Wow, your cousin is a very brave and inspirational girl. Its one thing to stand up to politicians whom you only see on the news. But your own dad ? That's a whole other story. :flag:

p.s. Wish her luck with her "underground rocker". ;)

Puck
August 30, 2007, 06:57 AM
how does one find the bengali fonts in win xp to see that newspaper article?

Puck
August 30, 2007, 07:01 AM
I share your feelings and prayers wholeheartedly. I tend to meet quite a few of them, and they never fail to pleasantly surprise me. Especially the real students from DU continue to be an inspirational bunch, just read their blogs.

would you post links to a few english blogs please.

cricket_pagol
August 30, 2007, 07:05 AM
how does one find the bengali fonts in win xp to see that newspaper article?

Usually if you open the link with IE, the bangla fonts work. otherwise you might have to install some fonts.

I think Sohel bhai was refering to these links...
http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/debdarublog/28727290
http://www.somewhereinblog.net/blog/pioneerblog/28727736

ammark
August 30, 2007, 02:58 PM
how does one find the bengali fonts in win xp to see that newspaper article?

Puck, you may try this page (http://www.banglacricket.com/tools/bangla/index.php) to get bangla fonts working.

Sumon77
August 31, 2007, 12:51 AM
Prof Anwar says sorry to army

Staff Correspondent


The detained general secretary of Dhaka University Teachers Association (Duta) yesterday apologised to the army for the attack on them during the recent campus violence.

Also the dean of bioscience, Anwar Hossain made the public apology before the newsmen while being taken to the Chief Metropolitan Magistrate's Court, Dhaka.

"As general secretary of the teachers association and a guardian of the students I regret the incident that must have caused pain and hurt to every single member of the ranks ranging from a soldier to the army chief," he continued.

"From the heart, we offer our apologies for the incident. And we don't feel any shame, or anguish to do so," added Prof Anwar.

"We are sorry for the humiliation and injury dealt to the reputation and esteem of the army personnel," he observed.

"This army is the emblem of the state of Bangladesh, sovereignty and solidarity. And we can feel how much it pains an army personnel to watch an attack on their uniforms," the detained DU professor told the reporters.

He also said, "We expect that every army man will accept the apologies, and forget the grievances they had suffered."

source:http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=2019



Low level cheap shot from the army. Just showing the muscle power. If the teachers are found guilty, file charge against them. Mentally torchuring them and make them apologize in public wont raise army image in civil society. It just once again shows their inferiority complex towards intellectual civil society.

Nocturnal
August 31, 2007, 02:18 AM
Low level cheap shot from the army. Just showing the muscle power. If the teachers are found guilty, file charge against them. Mentally torchuring them and make them apologize in public wont raise army image in civil society. It just once again shows their inferiority complex towards intellectual civil society.

Related article published at mukto-mona (http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/avijit/anwar_hossain300807.htm) today.

Sumon77
August 31, 2007, 02:49 AM
Related article published at mukto-mona (http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/avijit/anwar_hossain300807.htm) today.
thanks Nocturnal for the link. Though I dont agree with the article. Its similar to the incident, as the DU students' legitimate (IMO) demonstration on the first day was hijacked by those crooked politicians and mastans, in a similar fashion this Avijit guy is using DU professors arrest/confession for his own benifit against army in general. I personally believe, those professors have some direct involvement in the incidence and if proved, should be treated accordingly under the law. But I dont like army taking it personally and acting like immatured and arrogant.

Nocturnal
August 31, 2007, 02:58 AM
....
I personally believe, those professors have some direct involvement in the incidence and if proved, should be treated accordingly under the law. But I dont like army taking it personally and acting like immatured and arrogant.

agreed.

PoorFan
August 31, 2007, 03:26 AM
Daily Amader Shomoy (http://www.amadershomoy.com/news.php?id=195603&sys=3) says, one arrested DU ex-student confession on BAL political involvement.

Puck
August 31, 2007, 05:03 AM
I personally believe, those professors have some direct involvement in the incidence and if proved, should be treated accordingly under the law. But I dont like army taking it personally and acting like immatured and arrogant.

a nation that does not respect its teachers is not going to go much far.

we are all taking sides here. some support the acts of the army blindly, some see the CTG having some semblance of popular support, and most others have diverse political leanings.

surely, there are more effective ways of interrogating a learned and respected university professor, whatever their political leanings might be. the students themselves are a different sort these days with little respect for their teachers and lecturers. instilling respect in these teachers would invariably allow for the politically neutral professors to come out and ask the students not to engage in violence.

djuice
August 31, 2007, 05:17 AM
Daily Amader Shomoy (http://www.amadershomoy.com/news.php?id=195603&sys=3) says, one arrested DU ex-student confession on BAL political involvement.

Amader shomoy is a DGFI sponsored paper.....it is the worst form of tabloid journalism.

PoorFan
August 31, 2007, 05:25 AM
Amader shomoy is a DGFI sponsored paper.....it is the worst form of tabloid journalism.
I heard that before, let people enjoy tabloid too.

PoorFan
August 31, 2007, 05:39 AM
... instilling respect in these teachers would invariably allow for the politically neutral professors to come out and ask the students not to engage in violence.
<!--StartFragment -->Thats what we have been trying to do for last 36 years I guess, perhaps too much of weight of respect from society brought them down on their knees?

Sumon77
August 31, 2007, 05:41 AM
http://ittefaq.com/get.php?d=07/08/31/w/n_zmkrqz
Ittefaq also had sort of same news that Awami leage was behind too. Also some interesting news, that Hasina took 250 crore taka from ISI before election.

Sumon77
August 31, 2007, 05:52 AM
<!--StartFragment -->Thats what we have been trying to do for last 36 years I guess, perhaps too much of weight of respect from society brought them down on their knees?
Can we come out of our normal tendency to generalize everything? As one single misbehave doesnt make the whole army dirty, similarly some activities of individual teachers dont make the whole teaching socity controversial. ofcourse we can generalize when statistially most of them fall in this category which in this case is not. And what puck bhai said is correct.. a nation without respcting its teachers wont go forward that much.

cricket_dorshok
August 31, 2007, 05:58 AM
a nation that does not respect its teachers is not going to go much far.

none but only themselves are responsible for their current situation. there are few (may be very small number) DU teachers you can't even imagine their activities. a layperson would be ashamed if knows their activities.

Sumon77
August 31, 2007, 06:03 AM
a nation that does not respect its teachers is not going to go much far.

we are all taking sides here. some support the acts of the army blindly, some see the CTG having some semblance of popular support, and most others have diverse political leanings.

surely, there are more effective ways of interrogating a learned and respected university professor, whatever their political leanings might be. the students themselves are a different sort these days with little respect for their teachers and lecturers. instilling respect in these teachers would invariably allow for the politically neutral professors to come out and ask the students not to engage in violence.
agreed with you. We should support/deny the actions, not the people/party involved.
I wont say that students are differnt these days, they still respect the professors who EARN that respect. And fortunately, the majority of the students are not engaged in violence.

Sumon77
August 31, 2007, 06:04 AM
none but only themselves are responsible for their current situation. there are few (may be very small number) DU teachers you can't even imagine their activities. a layperson would be ashamed if knows their activities.
sadly true.

cricket_dorshok
August 31, 2007, 06:08 AM
Can we come out of our normal tendency to generalize everything? As one single misbehave doesnt make the whole army dirty, similarly some activities of individual teachers dont make the whole teaching socity controversial. ofcourse we can generalize when statistially most of them fall in this category which in this case is not. And what puck bhai said is correct.. a nation without respcting its teachers wont go forward that much.
Sure, there are a lot of well respected teachers. Since our whole society is corrupted and all corrupt peoples used to rule the state, society we don't get much from these well respected teachers. The teachers with muscle power (political) put all these good teachers in the back bench. Even they don't get a proper place to sit at their department let alone other facilities like research places, funds, environment.

PoorFan
August 31, 2007, 06:42 AM
Can we come out of our normal tendency to generalize everything? As one single misbehave doesnt make the whole army dirty, similarly some activities of individual teachers dont make the whole teaching socity controversial. ofcourse we can generalize when statistially most of them fall in this category which in this case is not. And what puck bhai said is correct.. a nation without respcting its teachers wont go forward that much.
<!--StartFragment -->I didn't deny his message, rather focused from a different angle, that is sometime I feel we are putting too much of value ( weight ) of their presence and analysis in BD politics. In old days when 20 odd percent of people were educated, as a nation we had significant lack of intellectual people, and those teachers morality and loyalty to the people helped us building nations many ways.

But in these days their ( some of them ) direct involvement in politics and their political activity seems hurting us more than helping. I think its time not to look up on teachers like old days, for political issues and settlement. I wonder how many country in this world depend that much on teachers for politics? This tradition has be changed, otherwise educational institution will remain polluted.

Your point on 'generalize' has been taken.

Puck
August 31, 2007, 06:51 AM
perhaps i have a different and maybe inaccurate view of academics. sumon, if it isn't libelous would you kindly talk about some of these 'politically minded' academics.

my mother retired as a professor of social welfare and sociology around six years ago. she taught in various bangladeshi governmental university collages spending most of her time in dhaka; although just prior to retirement she had been principal of an all girls college in rajshahi. most of her and my fathers friends were humanities academics from dhaka, rajshahi and chittagong universities.

since a young age i remember a few 'mamas' who had been my mother's students when she had just started out teaching in the late sixties. these mamas were all very affectionate to my sister and i and we almost thought of them as family. they would visit us a few times a weak and always consulted my parents on various matters. as is the custom in bangladeshi families, a couple of the close mamas even cried at my sisters wedding some ten years ago. my mother was seriously upset two years ago when one of them, jamshed mama, had died in a car accident.

i remember an incident from the late seventies when i was a very young child. we were going to my nanabari at night and around romna park a police keep hailed our car to stop. so my father stopped the car. out came a police officer who gave a salute. since my father had been a magistrate a number of years ago he thought it might be someone he might have known. however, as it turned out, it was one my mother's ex students. he enquired after us. there being a phuchka wala nearby we all decided to get off the car and have some phuchka.

my mother always said that teaching is the best profession in bangladesh. my father, being biased would suggest joining the civil service and secondary to that would be to become a lecturer in dhaka university. i choose neither!

Puck
August 31, 2007, 06:53 AM
<!--StartFragment -->In old days when 20 odd percent of people were educated, .

just out of curiosity, where is that percentage now? by educated are we talking about young men and women who are graduates of perhaps have been through matriculation?

Sohel
August 31, 2007, 06:59 AM
Puck, despite their political opinions, professors such as my grandfather, grandmother, you mother and I dare say more than half the professors in DU are a different class from the questionably appointed BAL/BNP/JIB chamchas polluting the campus with their more questionably admitted gang of hooligans masquerading as students. All surveys in the matter show more than 90% of the DU students are vehemently opposed to what they do, criminal or not.

Just get here, stay for a couple of months and see for yourself. Yes you can stay with me.

Sumon77
August 31, 2007, 07:14 AM
<!--StartFragment -->I didn't deny his message, rather focused from a different angle, that is sometime I feel we are putting too much of value ( weight ) of their presence and analysis in BD politics. In old days when 20 odd percent of people were educated, as a nation we had significant lack of intellectual people, and those teachers morality and loyalty to the people helped us building nations many ways.

But in these days their ( some of them ) direct involvement in politics and their political activity seems hurting us more than helping. I think its time not to look up on teachers like old days, for political issues and settlement. I wonder how many country in this world depend that much on teachers for politics? This tradition has be changed, otherwise educational institution will remain polluted.

Your point on 'generalize' has been taken.
thanks and agree with you. Its really time for us to do what we supposed to do from our respective positions in the society. Thats why I dont like the idea of students always expected to do the "Andolon" to save the country. I prefer to see future DU biography begining with glorious academic achievelemts in different fields rather than continuing with our historic political contribution to the nation. Its already due for every single service holders to work and contribute to their OWN field rather than poking nose here and there. I partly blame our media (which itself is politically polluted) for nurturing this holding back culture.

Puck
August 31, 2007, 08:14 AM
Puck, despite their political opinions, professors such as my grandfather, grandmother, you mother and I dare say more than half the professors in DU are a different class from the questionably appointed BAL/BNP/JIB chamchas polluting the campus with their more questionably admitted gang of hooligans masquerading as students. All surveys in the matter show more than 90% of the DU students are vehemently opposed to what they do, criminal or not.

Just get here, stay for a couple of months and see for yourself. Yes you can stay with me.


thank you very much for the offer. i shall definitely contact you if and when i am in dhaka. in particular, i'd be very interested in meeting some of your rural friends you had mentioned in a different thread, and witness the simpler way of life.

i was curious about the nature of chamchahood. would they be in the official pay packet of their political masters?

are their lobby groups or lobbying organisations in bangladesh at all? i am not too familiar with the american political structure but in uk as well as in many european countries there are small organistions that would lobby a particular politicians on a specific subject, lets say the enviroment, transport, energy etc.

Sohel
August 31, 2007, 08:43 AM
Yes, and not always through "legitimate" consultancies, spin doctoring, or lucrative business and/or bhua NGO connections.

These guys are a different bunch from the traditional, hardcore politicos such as Kabir Chaudhury and others.

Sumon77
August 31, 2007, 09:05 AM
perhaps i have a different and maybe inaccurate view of academics. sumon, if it isn't libelous would you kindly talk about some of these 'politically minded' academics.

my mother retired as a professor of social welfare and sociology around six years ago. she taught in various bangladeshi governmental university collages spending most of her time in dhaka; although just prior to retirement she had been principal of an all girls college in rajshahi. most of her and my fathers friends were humanities academics from dhaka, rajshahi and chittagong universities.

since a young age i remember a few 'mamas' who had been my mother's students when she had just started out teaching in the late sixties. these mamas were all very affectionate to my sister and i and we almost thought of them as family. they would visit us a few times a weak and always consulted my parents on various matters. as is the custom in bangladeshi families, a couple of the close mamas even cried at my sisters wedding some ten years ago. my mother was seriously upset two years ago when one of them, jamshed mama, had died in a car accident.

i remember an incident from the late seventies when i was a very young child. we were going to my nanabari at night and around romna park a police keep hailed our car to stop. so my father stopped the car. out came a police officer who gave a salute. since my father had been a magistrate a number of years ago he thought it might be someone he might have known. however, as it turned out, it was one my mother's ex students. he enquired after us. there being a phuchka wala nearby we all decided to get off the car and have some phuchka.

my mother always said that teaching is the best profession in bangladesh. my father, being biased would suggest joining the civil service and secondary to that would be to become a lecturer in dhaka university. i choose neither!
Puck bhai.. thanks for sharing your experience and i will be more than glad to share some of mine. As an ex-DU student, I like to say, students havent changed that much. When they enter the university, they start by keeping trust on the teachers. But unfortunately, when they finish and leave the university, may be only half of the teachers earn that respect from them what your mother could earn from her students.
I myself couldnt respect some professors when i found them highly biased to some political party and looked like more devoted to the party than their profession. few examples....
1) once i was with a senior bhai of my department who had joined the department as a lecturer a year back. He just got a scholarship from DU for PhD abroad. Then another senior professor was passing us, while he was telling him just like this ... "ki khobor... scholarship to peley, ebar party er meeting michhil e ektu asho." ie, "so... you got the scholarship.... why dont attend the meetings and demostrations of the party?" Now, i know he is a senior reputed professor of a reputed department, actually he is a professor of my father also. but from that day.. i couldnt respect him anymore.
2) Another scenario... this lecturer who just came back from abroad after PhD, and I can confirm that his inclusion to the department as faculty was not politically biased at all. His academic background is quite good. But as soon as he came back.. he joined teachers' politics and became very active. And we could see, it paid off. He managed to become associate professor very soon. Still then i didnt mind that much as his academic back ground was good enough. But then, the time came, dont know whether he did all those things for this opportunity or not. One of his close relative was a graduate from the same department and there was a advertisement to take lecturers. Then this realtive applied along with some other students who had very good academic results compared to this person. When he found strong opposition from other faculty about his relative, he played the tric to stop the whole process of joining anybody for that post. The poor sufferer were those young guys who were waiting to join based on their merit. I cant respect him anymore.
3) I fail to respect one professor who came to first class of the first year of undergrad and introduced himself as follower of a certain party, which sounded so weired...what the hell we students do with his beliefs?
4) When I joined the department as a lecturer, my letter box was sometime filled with invitation letters to join differnt party meetings. When the election time comes, like, Dean election or Teachers' Association election, usually senior professors come and talk about their panel's ideology which most of the time is exact replica of BNP and BAL, i feel disrespect to them.
However, I must admit, nobody ever pressured me to join any party or meeting, so I personally believe, if a DU teacher prefers to stay away from politics, he can.
5) when I go to teachers club and find that some teachers are drinking tea with the known political cadres, patting them, I feel disguted.

But this is of lower percentage side, there are many professors, I personally know and from my heart, respect them. They earned it from me. There is one very senior professor, I am fortunate to work with, who retired long ago but still come to a research center of DU every single day and work till afternoon nothing but for passion for work.
There is another associate professor who taught me in the second year just after coming back from abroad finishing PhD. He was so energetic that he could encourage me and some of my freinds to help him to organize some labs and the departmental library. Still he is same energetic as before. There are some professors I found teaching from heart, trying their best for the students. As their student, I will be honored to do the same as the police officer did for his teacher, your mother. Now as a young teacher, its my choice to chose the path. So as case for thousands of graduates.

Kana-Baba
August 31, 2007, 11:17 AM
Low level cheap shot from the army. Just showing the muscle power. If the teachers are found guilty, file charge against them. Mentally torchuring them and make them apologize in public wont raise army image in civil society. It just once again shows their inferiority complex towards intellectual civil society.

agreed.

Once again a cheap job by Bangladesh Army; enforcing DU profi to apologies to Army. Shame! Shame!!

cricket_pagol
August 31, 2007, 11:45 AM
Check the uncroped version of that army image... it explains why the army guys right hand was raised. The picture loses it's appeal to some extent because of the brutality of the guy on the right.
http://www.i-imagehost.com/uploads/a85bf5feda.jpg (http://www.i-imagehost.com)

akabir77
August 31, 2007, 11:47 AM
agreed.

Once again a cheap job by Bangladesh Army; enforcing DU profi to apologies to Army. Shame! Shame!!

Yeap agree. I wonder does this things still work back home? I mean people still fell for this staged stuff?

I don't know why they didn't made them also say that they r sorry to give poor numbers to the army students exam results...

cricket_pagol
August 31, 2007, 12:00 PM
Open letter from M Sanjeeb Hossain

August 31st, 2007<!-- by Tasneem Khalil --> · No Comments (http://www.e-bangladesh.org/2007/08/31/open-letter-from-m-sanjeeb-hossain/#comments)

E-Bangladesh has received an email from M Sanjeeb Hossain, son of detained DU professor Anwar Hossain.
Regarding the ‘apology’ made by my father Dr. M Anwar Hossain
Sir,
I was also a bit surprised after I heard my fathers statement on television. However, after hearing it I began to think deeply about the significance of it and what he really meant. Unfortunately most of the television channels had shown a very ’sabotaged’ version of my fathers words. Later on that night I spoke with a reporter from Channel I complaining to him why such a ’sabotaged version’ had been shown. I asked him why hadn’t the news channels shown the ‘uncut/original’ version? What was wrong in that? Why had these channels participated in giving the people of our country the wrong message? He replied saying that their hands were tied. Nothing could be done. However, he was optimistic too. He told me that the good days would return.
After my conversation with the Channel I man, I got a lucky break. I saw the original version of the statement my father had given to the media at ATN Bangla. His last words were, ‘We know that the members of the armed forces have self respect… However, we must not forget that the common citizens of our country and the students of Dhaka University also have self respect. I hope the Armed forces will remember this and learn from this incident so that they do not make such a mistake in the future’.
It was at that point the media took away the camera and did not allow my father to continue. Later on when I was speaking to my father inside the court, my father told me that he had a lot more to say. Those are:
1. Bring ahead the elections to January 2008 instead of December 2008.
2. Lift the emergency and if that is not possible relax the emergency provisions to a great extent.
3. Restore the people of our country with their fundamental rights that the Constitution of Bangladesh gives them.
4. Hold a free and fair election so that a democratically elected government can assume power as soon as possible.
My father told me that he sincerely believed that if these demands are met, stability in our country would return and the Bangladesh Armed Forces would return to the barracks as heroes. He also told me that it would be fatal if the Bangladesh Armed Forces failed in their mission to restore democracy in our country. He told me that the Army could not be allowed to fail as they bear the insignia of sovereignty in Bangladesh.
There are some other considerations as well. It is absolutely illegal to allow a person to speak to the media when he is in remand. The basic logic that applies behind this is that there lies absolutely no proof that he is saying what he is saying without pressure.
In context of all this, I would request you all to take a deep breath and try to understand what my father truly meant. The main issue in his statement was not an ‘apology’ made to the Armed Forces. I believe that its alright to apologise because, in fact, it was the Armed Forces that had apologised for their acts at the Dhaka University . However, to me, the main issue, or should I say the main ‘catch’ of his statement was the fact that he had appealed to the Armed Forces to remember the honour, integrity and self respect of the students of Dhaka University and the people of our country. My father hoped that the Armed Forces would keep this in mind and learn from it.
We must not forget that this is the very Army that had fought hand in hand with the common people of Bangladesh in 1971. My fathers message to them was to prevent them from failing because if they do fail then hell will break loose. That is not something we want.
I feel that there are many ways to interpret words. I have only shown you my interpretation.
Thanking you again,
Sanjeeb Hossain

cricket_pagol
August 31, 2007, 12:01 PM
My first reaction to the apology was that it was staged. This letter makes me wonder much of it was staged.

nobody
September 1, 2007, 04:05 AM
Staged or not, he apologised.
if you act like a revolutionary face the music like revolutionary like the way Che faced or your brother faced. I am disgusted with the apology. With this army lost is credibility. To Prof Anwar are you really brother of Col. Taher?

Sohel
September 1, 2007, 04:09 AM
Staged or not, he apologised.
if you act like a revolutionary face the music like revolutionary like the way Che faced or your brother faced. I am disgusted with the apology. With this army lost is credibility. To Prof Anwar are you acting like brother of Col. Taher?

Comparing Taher Uncle to this guy is just as weird as comparing ... well just fill in the blank.

Puck
September 1, 2007, 05:02 AM
is this anwar hussain actively involved is politics?

Miraz
September 1, 2007, 03:59 PM
Some interesting read. Army version of the DU incident

http://www.army.mil.bd/newahq/anndetail.php?ann_id=25

IMO, army went a bit too far.

Spitfire_x86
September 1, 2007, 11:46 PM
Shows that the Army clearly doesn't know how to manipulate public opinion. In this picture, the teachers are seen leading a peaceful protest rally. The army document asked what were they teaching by breaking law? Peaceful demonstrations are completely legal in the first place. So maybe they were teaching the students how to protest peacefully?

If they didn't have picture/audio/video of the which proves they were acting in provocative manner, then they shouldn't have used these pictures and caption at all.

Puck
September 1, 2007, 11:59 PM
Shows that the Army clearly doesn't know how to manipulate public opinion. .

well, they would hardly be taught that at staff training college. it comes from experience. i am sure any further protest would be dealt with in a more professional manner.

Pundit
September 2, 2007, 01:38 AM
Shows that the Army clearly doesn't know how to manipulate public opinion. In this picture, the teachers are seen leading a peaceful protest rally. The army document asked what were they teaching by breaking law? Peaceful demonstrations are completely legal in the first place. So maybe they were teaching the students how to protest peacefully?

If they didn't have picture/audio/video of the which proves they were acting in provocative manner, then they shouldn't have used these pictures and caption at all.

Peaceful demonstrations are completely legal in the first place, but are desirable as a last resort. A country should be functional through its institutions, not via mass parades on the street, particularly by professionals who should have been doing something else....er, in the first place.

The people had "elected" leaders for too long who were meant to deliver on their promises. None of that has materialized over the past 15 years as far as I am concerned. These teachers should be shackled to there class room desks...shame on them.

I think BD people deserve the big stick policy of the army up there rear end, regardless of any scepticism they may have over the loss of democracy...which they never had.

And throw all of the netas and netrees into the slammer.

layperson
September 2, 2007, 02:13 AM
Open letter from M Sanjeeb Hossain

August 31st, 2007<!-- by Tasneem Khalil --> · No Comments (http://www.e-bangladesh.org/2007/08/31/open-letter-from-m-sanjeeb-hossain/#comments)

E-Bangladesh has received an email from M Sanjeeb Hossain, son of detained DU professor Anwar Hossain.Regarding the ‘apology’ made by my father Dr. M Anwar Hossain
Sir,
I was also a bit surprised after I heard my fathers statement on television. However, after hearing it I began to think deeply about the significance of it and what he really meant. Unfortunately most of the television channels had shown a very ’sabotaged’ version of my fathers words. Later on that night I spoke with a reporter from Channel I complaining to him why such a ’sabotaged version’ had been shown. I asked him why hadn’t the news channels shown the ‘uncut/original’ version? What was wrong in that? Why had these channels participated in giving the people of our country the wrong message? He replied saying that their hands were tied. Nothing could be done. However, he was optimistic too. He told me that the good days would return.
After my conversation with the Channel I man, I got a lucky break. I saw the original version of the statement my father had given to the media at ATN Bangla. His last words were, ‘We know that the members of the armed forces have self respect… However, we must not forget that the common citizens of our country and the students of Dhaka University also have self respect. I hope the Armed forces will remember this and learn from this incident so that they do not make such a mistake in the future’.
It was at that point the media took away the camera and did not allow my father to continue. Later on when I was speaking to my father inside the court, my father told me that he had a lot more to say. Those are:
1. Bring ahead the elections to January 2008 instead of December 2008.
2. Lift the emergency and if that is not possible relax the emergency provisions to a great extent.
3. Restore the people of our country with their fundamental rights that the Constitution of Bangladesh gives them.
4. Hold a free and fair election so that a democratically elected government can assume power as soon as possible.
My father told me that he sincerely believed that if these demands are met, stability in our country would return and the Bangladesh Armed Forces would return to the barracks as heroes. He also told me that it would be fatal if the Bangladesh Armed Forces failed in their mission to restore democracy in our country. He told me that the Army could not be allowed to fail as they bear the insignia of sovereignty in Bangladesh.
There are some other considerations as well. It is absolutely illegal to allow a person to speak to the media when he is in remand. The basic logic that applies behind this is that there lies absolutely no proof that he is saying what he is saying without pressure.
In context of all this, I would request you all to take a deep breath and try to understand what my father truly meant. The main issue in his statement was not an ‘apology’ made to the Armed Forces. I believe that its alright to apologise because, in fact, it was the Armed Forces that had apologised for their acts at the Dhaka University . However, to me, the main issue, or should I say the main ‘catch’ of his statement was the fact that he had appealed to the Armed Forces to remember the honour, integrity and self respect of the students of Dhaka University and the people of our country. My father hoped that the Armed Forces would keep this in mind and learn from it.
We must not forget that this is the very Army that had fought hand in hand with the common people of Bangladesh in 1971. My fathers message to them was to prevent them from failing because if they do fail then hell will break loose. That is not something we want.
I feel that there are many ways to interpret words. I have only shown you my interpretation.
Thanking you again,
Sanjeeb Hossain






I stayed away for long from this discussion but that is a load of crap he just blurted out. The fact that he is talking about restoration of democracy is a joke given how the previous governments ran. If he thinks the way the past governments were running was democratic then he needs to get a lesson in what democracy is. I know it for a fact that his father is politically inclined and is involved in politics actively. It is no crime to be politically inclined but to use that and create anarchy is. The incident in DU was the fault of the army only at the beginning. After that the anrchy that ensued even after the army went out of DU and apologising over the incident is criminal to say the least. The events were politically motivated and if the teachers had any hand in them then they deserve to be where they are now. This situation would not have risen in the first place if politics was running smoothly and democratically. Let the army and the CTG do their work in trying to bring order. They are doing a commendable job and it is never possible to please everyone specially people who are politically motivated and whose pockets depend heavily on politics.

Dhruvo
September 2, 2007, 05:38 AM
well, they would hardly be taught that at staff training college. it comes from experience. i am sure any further protest would be dealt with in a more professional manner.
hey congrats puck on your 1000th post,i wish you the best a luck in reaching the 2000th post mark well that if you dont dissappear suddenly.

Puck
September 2, 2007, 06:32 AM
hey congrats puck on your 1000th post,i wish you the best a luck in reaching the 2000th post mark well that if you dont dissappear suddenly.

dear little dhrubo, thank you for your kindness!

landmarks mean little to me in this context.. these artificial notches, man-made, reflect and reinforce the very class dialectic of a greater internet hierarchy. i stopped counting my incoherence after the first post. sometimes too early, sometimes too late, they are never in time and ultimately just as doomed as the summer rainbow after the floods have gone. i am neither here, nor there, and at best, fly by night here today, gone tomorrow, with the eighth seal for my company.

let us raise a glass of our favourite beverage to dhrubo's 10,000 post, albeit in advance..

Dhruvo
September 2, 2007, 07:39 AM
dear little dhrubo, thank you for your kindness!

landmarks mean little to me in this context.. these artificial notches, man-made, reflect and reinforce the very class dialectic of a greater internet hierarchy. i stopped counting my incoherence after the first post. sometimes too early, sometimes too late, they are never in time and ultimately just as doomed as the summer rainbow after the floods have gone. i am neither here, nor there, and at best, fly by night here today, gone tomorrow, with the eighth seal for my company.

let us raise a glass of our favourite beverage to dhrubo's 10,000 post, albeit in advance..
i hope i you reach 10,000 too,thank you for your great words

nsd3
September 6, 2007, 08:43 AM
Some names are coming up on who were involved and how they progressed in making Aug 20 memorable this year.

Link: http://www.manabzamin.net/lead-04.htm

nsd3
September 9, 2007, 11:00 PM
36 to be charged. Complaints against nameless students will be withdrawn. If the charges are proved, the DU teachers will be sentenced to a maximum of five years' or a minimum of two years' rigorous imprisonment and fine.

Source: http://www.prothom-alo.com/index.news.details.php?nid=MTAzMzk=