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Fahim
September 9, 2007, 02:34 PM
as we know, the blessed month of Ramadhan is coming up and i think all the bangladeshi players are Muslims. so now im just thinking, will they be able to fast while they train up play the cricket matches? fortunately, the matches will last for about 3 hours and cricket is not a high action game. its just kind of unlucky that the world cup starts during Ramadhan.:doh:

Dhruvo
September 9, 2007, 02:39 PM
as we know, the blessed month of Ramadhan is coming up and i think all the bangladeshi players are Muslims. so now im just thinking, will they be able to fast while they train up play the cricket matches? fortunately, the matches will last for about 3 hours and cricket is not a high action game. its just kind of unlucky that the world cup starts during Ramadhan.:doh:
i think so,but it will be hard for the pace bowlers as they have to run a long way specially for mashrafe as he gets tired very quickly.

Nafi
September 9, 2007, 02:39 PM
I dont think so, cos water is very important, but God is forgiving, they can always fast later in the year (when they're not playing any intl cricket till december) and make up for the days they miss, this is permissable

Bengaliprince176
September 9, 2007, 02:55 PM
Alok Kapali isnt Muslim, so wont be a problem for him.... i think playing for their country is important (not that religion isnt important either) but like Dr Naf said always other times

Yameen
September 9, 2007, 03:16 PM
i doubt very much they will fast, plus as dr naf n bengaliprince mentioned, they can catch up with it later

al Furqaan
September 9, 2007, 04:12 PM
I dont think so, cos water is very important, but God is forgiving, they can always fast later in the year (when they're not playing any intl cricket till december) and make up for the days they miss, this is permissable

no, it is NOT permissible.

the quran states that if you miss one day of fasting in ramadhan you couldn't make up for it even if you fasted for 60 consecutive days.

now, given that our players have to rely on cricket to earn a living, and because of the hardships and health dangers of playing while fasting, i would think it is OK for our players to break their fast on game days. of course i am no alim. if any of our boys fasts and plays [well] then more power to him.

but if anyone else who is not a professional player thinks they can break fasts to play a game of street cricket, woe unto him...

nasimul
September 9, 2007, 04:41 PM
As far as I know players are not fasting during Ramadan if they have match.

Fahim
September 9, 2007, 05:32 PM
im not no alim too but i just want to state that not fasting just because your playing a cricket match is basically unacceptable to Allah. i know the other guy said that by playing cricket, they get their earnings but think about it, isn't fasting more rewarding than playing a cricket match and winning it?

i mean, its not like they HAVE to play but i guess they don't have no choice. but i really do hope they choose whichever decision which will BENEFIT them...
GO tigerz!:D

Fahim
September 9, 2007, 05:35 PM
As far as I know players are not fasting during Ramadan if they have match.

im sure a few batsmen would be fasting as they don't have to do a lot of running and also that the match lasts for like 3 hours i dunno.
who thinks Mohammed Yousuf (he's got a nice beard MashAllah) will be fasting? :smug:

Eshen
September 9, 2007, 06:08 PM
In my layman's understanding, players will be considered musafiroon (travelers) during their stay in SA, so they are not required to fast during this period. They can make up days of fasting they may miss during this period in later days.

rubel_18
September 9, 2007, 06:26 PM
In my layman's understanding, players will be considered musafiroon (travelers) during their stay in SA, so they are not required to fast during this period. They can make up days of fasting they may miss during this period in later days.

yes I agree with u on that cos my arabic teacher told me abt this

BanCricFan
September 9, 2007, 06:43 PM
I'm not a scholar either but this is my take on this: obviously, its very unfortunate that the T20 tourney coincides with the holy month of Ramadan. As others have already mentioned that these players main source of livelihood is sports, therefore, they MIGHT be exempted from fasting. The law of facilitation for the travellers (musafir) can, also, be applicable in this particular case. And Allah knows best!

I'm TOTALLY against BCB hosting other countries at home during the holy month of Ramadan. They should seriously look into this matter.

Murad
September 9, 2007, 06:51 PM
In my layman's understanding, players will be considered musafiroon (travelers) during their stay in SA, so they are not required to fast during this period. They can make up days of fasting they may miss during this period in later days.

thats when you are travelling not when you are staying there. the law in islam like this: if you are on a plane and its time for salah, just pray 2 rakwat. you dont have to pray whole 4 rakat. and you dont have to fast but u have to finish it as soon as you can.

and about fasting, it doesnt matter if you play sport or whatever, you have to fast if you truly belive in islam. some ppl/player dont and thats their personal but it will not be forgiven. just think about it, ppl used to fast during the war and this is just a sport of few hrs.

some of you are saying its ok for them as they could make-up those days later. there is not such rule in islam like this. its just a make-up thing by some ppl who want to skip fast or salahs. whoever says things like this will be punished by allah. you have to do it when its due. otherwise its called kaza. but for kaza you have to have a valid reason. you had work thats why you didnt fast and u will make kaza later, this kind of things are not accepted by Allah.

for example: if you have an exam today, and you told your professor that you cant take the exam as you have something else to do, and you will take it later in the semester. what would be his reaction like?? he's gonna accept it?? same thing for assignments. late assignment doesnt count. so namaz and roza are samething like this. you have to finish when they are due.

fasting come only for one month in a year. this is the month of reformation. allah never forgive such things like miss it now do it later. islam is very easiest religion and also the toughest. i read in some hadis that allah said in quran, to work less during the fast so that it will not hamper your fast.

P.S: if im wrong please correct me. I might be wrong. and if you didnt understand something you can ask me.

Murad
September 9, 2007, 06:54 PM
im sure a few batsmen would be fasting as they don't have to do a lot of running and also that the match lasts for like 3 hours i dunno.
who thinks Mohammed Yousuf (he's got a nice beard MashAllah) will be fasting? :smug:

most of the pakistani crickers fast and pray during the match. afridi, younis khan, yousuf, inzi and many others. its better to fast. fasting is better for health.

al Furqaan
September 9, 2007, 07:02 PM
yes in this case they are musafiroon...but what about if hashim amla were selected.

besides, our players can't refuse to play because it coincides with their fasting...BCB would either replace them or BD/PAK would have to opt out of such tournaments.

it may be OK if it is a necessary part of your job, because no job = no money = no food = death.

Eshen
September 9, 2007, 07:34 PM
In my layman's understanding, players will be considered musafiroon (travelers) during their stay in SA, so they are not required to fast during this period. They can make up days of fasting they may miss during this period in later days.

thats when you are travelling not when you are staying there. the law in islam like this: if you are on a plane and its time for salah, just pray 2 rakwat. you dont have to pray whole 4 rakat. and you dont have to fast but u have to finish it as soon as you can.

If you are in a place away (at least 77 km) from your home and planning to stay there for less then 15 days, you are considered a musafir - for the whole period, not only when you are physically moving. Also, if you keep moving from places to places (which are atleast 77 km away from each other) and don't stop at one place for 15 continuous days or more, you will be continued to be considered a musafir (as is the case with our players in this Africa tour).

I suggest people interested in this matter to check books such as Bahisti Zewar for clarification.

However, I whole heartedly agree with what you said below.


and about fasting, it doesnt matter if you play sport or whatever, you have to fast if you truly belive in islam. some ppl/player dont and thats their personal but it will not be forgiven. just think about it, ppl used to fast during the war and this is just a sport of few hrs.

some of you are saying its ok for them as they could make-up those days later. there is not such rule in islam like this. its just a make-up thing by some ppl who want to skip fast or salahs. whoever says things like this will be punished by allah. you have to do it when its due. otherwise its called kaza. but for kaza you have to have a valid reason. you had work thats why you didnt fast and u will make kaza later, this kind of things are not accepted by Allah.

for example: if you have an exam today, and you told your professor that you cant take the exam as you have something else to do, and you will take it later in the semester. what would be his reaction like?? he's gonna accept it?? same thing for assignments. late assignment doesnt count. so namaz and roza are samething like this. you have to finish when they are due.

fasting come only for one month in a year. this is the month of reformation. allah never forgive such things like miss it now do it later. islam is very easiest religion and also the toughest. i read in some hadis that allah said in quran, to work less during the fast so that it will not hamper your fast.

P.S: if im wrong please correct me. I might be wrong. and if you didnt understand something you can ask me.

al Furqaan
September 9, 2007, 08:40 PM
islam is very easiest religion and also the toughest.

Bang on target. one of most cogently accurate statements made on BC. well stated, son, well stated...

Haradhon
September 9, 2007, 08:43 PM
as we know, the blessed month of Ramadhan is coming up and i think all the bangladeshi players are Muslims. so now im just thinking, will they be able to fast while they train up play the cricket matches? fortunately, the matches will last for about 3 hours and cricket is not a high action game. its just kind of unlucky that the world cup starts during Ramadhan.:doh:
Dear Super Moderator: Can we avoid disussing this thread? We should not mix the Ramadan and cricket, which appear to be imcompatible categories for discussion.

Haradhon
September 9, 2007, 08:45 PM
yes in this case they are musafiroon...but what about if hashim amla were selected.

besides, our players can't refuse to play because it coincides with their fasting...BCB would either replace them or BD/PAK would have to opt out of such tournaments.

it may be OK if it is a necessary part of your job, because no job = no money = no food = death.

Players of the host country have to fast! And, visitors may qualify for exemption!!!

mafizraju
September 9, 2007, 11:28 PM
Some of you, when explaining all the details seemed to conclude on what the Almighty will deem acceptable and what will not be. I mean some of you have used sentences like " Allah will never accept it"" etc while claiming that you are not any Alim on these matters.

Can we not pass our judgement on behalf of Him?

but yes in deapth analysis and possible work around are always welcomed but not any judgemnet.

djuice
September 10, 2007, 12:51 AM
im not no alim too but i just want to state that not fasting just because your playing a cricket match is basically unacceptable to Allah. i know the other guy said that by playing cricket, they get their earnings but think about it, isn't fasting more rewarding than playing a cricket match and winning it?

i mean, its not like they HAVE to play but i guess they don't have no choice. but i really do hope they choose whichever decision which will BENEFIT them...
GO tigerz!:D

I am also not an Alim. But I think Allah will understand if the players don't fast.
(I am applying the same logic that you employed to decided what is acceptable to Allah).

And how is fasting more rewarding then playing a cricket match and winning it?
If you fast you get hungry, but if you play cricket for your country you get the fame, the money the enjoyment...and blessings of so many supporters.

GuruTM
September 10, 2007, 01:10 AM
I have a strange question. Do they(Bangladesh team players) even fast in Ramadan when they are not playing at all? If you know what i mean. Another question, what is the relibility of the news that Paki players are fasting during Ramadan? Its just could be an eye wash for general religious public.

bulbul_fan
September 10, 2007, 01:20 AM
i dont think they will fast...
actualli i hv notced many times , bcb puts some matches on friday( home series).thus, the plyrs miss the jummah prayer...
nd whnevr we strtd a match on friday, the result was pathetic..
likewise..our worlcup tour will alos b rubbish..
wait nd watch..

Ahmed_B
September 10, 2007, 02:27 AM
Some related threads during BD playing on Ramadan times:
(Informative discussions can be found here...)

New Zealand Series and effect of Ramadan( 2004) (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=6565&highlight=players+fasting)

Will our players fast during Champions Trophy? (2006) (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=17364&highlight=players+fasting)

Antora
September 10, 2007, 02:28 AM
i hope not!!! i mean bd players are week the way they are. They dont need to fast and be even weaker and.. cant be able to hit a ball or bowl. so i hope they are not fasting!

cricket_king
September 10, 2007, 03:30 AM
If I was them, there is no way I would risk dehydration and starvation. Cricket requires energy as does any sport, and fasting will definitely hamper the players' performance.

BD-Shardul
September 10, 2007, 04:33 AM
If they don't fast, they will be deprived of the blessing of Allah :(

Asha nai ar WC er :(

Lord AK
September 10, 2007, 06:26 AM
The players should fast. If they do Allah will give them the energy to play well because they haven't forgotten about Allah. If they don't fast then Allah won't make Bangladesh win any match. After all Allah is the one who can do anything.

Tiger Bhai
September 10, 2007, 06:57 AM
Man!!! Just leave the fasting thing a side, its a personal thing and its non-of your business. i would keep hell, fire, bad breth, beard and religion out of cricket.
i hate mullah-cricket supporters..

Fahim
September 10, 2007, 08:41 AM
I am also not an Alim. But I think Allah will understand if the players don't fast.
(I am applying the same logic that you employed to decided what is acceptable to Allah).

And how is fasting more rewarding then playing a cricket match and winning it?
If you fast you get hungry, but if you play cricket for your country you get the fame, the money the enjoyment...and blessings of so many supporters.

trust me bro, the amount of reward you get while fasting is immensive both here and the afterlife: 1st thing is, you avoid punishment. secondly, if Allah knows you are fasting only for Him and still playing cricket, who knows (except Allah) how good the bd players will play? maybe Allah will be happy and so make our teamwin the worldcup!:-D

Fahim
September 10, 2007, 09:34 AM
Man!!! Just leave the fasting thing a side, its a personal thing and its non-of your business. i would keep hell, fire, bad breth, beard and religion out of cricket.
i hate mullah-cricket supporters..

i am not mullah bro. im just a hardcore bangladeshi cricket fan who strives to be a GOOD MUSLIM...:flag:

Puck
September 10, 2007, 10:03 AM
no, it is NOT permissible.

the quran states that if you miss [B]

but if anyone else who is not a professional player thinks they can break fasts to play a game of street cricket, woe unto him...

what a miserable life you lead through the scorning of fellow man! peace be upon you.

Tigers_eye
September 10, 2007, 10:24 AM
...i hate mullah-cricket supporters..
Hate is a strong word. I suggest you find another word to express your feelings.
'Dislike' may be? "Love" all creations (including human") is the best. (treat others they way you want to be treated. You wouldn't be happy if someone says he/she 'Hate' you)
im not no alim...
Double negatives. Meaning suggest you are an Alim. :)
i guess they don't have no choice.
Again Double negatives. Meaning they have choices. :)

For beginners, feel free to visit the links Ahmed_B had posted.

Hatebreed
September 10, 2007, 10:54 AM
It's the players' personal choice. Let's not pass judgements, because Allah knows best. Personally, I agree with the Ehsen said, assuming it's accurate seeing as no one has challenged that information. If they are considered travelers, then they should have no problem. Even if it isn't required, they can at least fast on days there are no matches.

al Furqaan
September 10, 2007, 12:15 PM
i hate mullah-cricket supporters..

its good to see the non-mullah use the word 'hate' first.

keep up the bad work.

Baundule
September 10, 2007, 12:27 PM
Does fasting mean that you can not do your daily works?

Cricket is nothing more than daily work for a cricketer. No one should use it as an excuse. Keep Islam simple and straight-forward, as it SHOULD be!

Murad
September 10, 2007, 12:55 PM
I think we should end the discussion here. We're arguing about the people who might not even pray, let alone fasting. We don't even know if they fast when they dont have a game. And I said in the previous post that it's their personnal matter. If they don't fast or pray, they will be questioned not us. But again, we have the right to explain it to people whats right and wrong and that is ISLAM. It is our right to tell the people to pray and fast. It's their problem if they dont but we have to bring them to the right path of Islam. It's our DUTY. You cannot just say its their business if they pray or fast, if you do then you will be the sinner. If you read hadis or something you know that better than me. If you are a true believer and follower of Islam, you won't argue with me.

It really hurts when our own fellow muslims over-react when they hear something about ISLAM. I didn't know that being a Mullah or Alim should not follow cricket. Its really funny to hear that someone says "hate the mulla cricket supporters". Brother, I don't know why you said that but it wasn't the right way saying this. You might not like Mullah's because you dont want them come near you and say some hadis to you. But please don't hate them, Allah don't like the word "hate".

There's no schollars in islam. Everyone is a learner. We learn from each other. We explain to other what we know. We just cannot keep it to ourselves. If you know a hadis, you have to explain it to others around so they also know it. and THIS IS ISLAM. If you have to teach others what you know and learn from others. Don't ever say you know everything and if you do that means you are lying.

I'm no Mullah or Alim. I never went to a Madrasha or something. I'm like another person like you. I don't know much about Islam but trying to learn from others. I learnt those things by reading Quran, Hadis and by going to the Mosque, also from other people. And I'm sure other brothers learnt about Islam same way I did. And it is not bad to learn from others.

I've nothing to else to say. If I say something more then I've to hear some more hating words. And also moderators will start warning me as its a cricket related thread.

Thanks fellow Muslim Brothers & Sisters. Allah tomader mongol koruk. Amen.

P.S: Mods, a friendly sudgetion, please transfer this thread to the forget cricket section.

Nafi
September 10, 2007, 01:00 PM
I only follow Quran, I dont pay attention to the inaccuracies of hadiths.

Murad
September 10, 2007, 01:12 PM
If you are in a place away (at least 77 km) from your home and planning to stay there for less then 15 days, you are considered a musafir - for the whole period, not only when you are physically moving. Also, if you keep moving from places to places (which are atleast 77 km away from each other) and don't stop at one place for 15 continuous days or more, you will be continued to be considered a musafir (as is the case with our players in this Africa tour).

I suggest people interested in this matter to check books such as Bahisti Zewar for clarification.

However, I whole heartedly agree with what you said below.

Thanks for correcting me, bro. I didn't know the duration.

Bang on target. one of most cogently accurate statements made on BC. well stated, son, well stated...

Al Furqaan bhai, thanks for ur kind words :)

Sohel
September 10, 2007, 01:27 PM
Hmm ... perhaps another intelligence failure, meaning the failure to be intelligent???

Dehydration(hypohydration) is the removal of water (hydro in ancient Greek) from an object. Medically, it is a condition in which the body contains an insufficient volume of water for normal functioning ...

In humans, dehydration can be caused by a wide range of diseases and states that impair water homeostasis in the body. These include:

External or stress-related causes

Prolonged physical activity without consuming adequate water, especially in a hot and/or humid environment ...

Symptoms and prognosis

Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, and in extreme cases death.

Dehydration symptoms generally become noticeable after 2% of one's normal water volume has been lost. Initially, one experiences thirst and discomfort, possibly along with loss of appetite and dry skin. This can be followed by constipation. Athletes may suffer a loss of performance of up to 30%, and experience flushing, low endurance, rapid heart rates, elevated body temperatures, and rapid onset of fatigue.

Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration

If you choose to do sports, do it right. If not, don't ... and PLEASE leave the judgment to the ONLY one who knows all ... Allah ... and not some vindictive, moody, bearded pagan god of limited intelligence like Jupiter ... no matter what you call him.

Sauron
September 10, 2007, 02:03 PM
To me it's simple - Whether someone will fast or not is between him and Allah.

If someone acts tired on the field then we can only speculate whether it is because he is fasting or not. But I don't think any of our pathetic losses were ever connected to our boys not eating food or not drinking water.

By the same token, if someone performs below par (be it because of fasting or not) he should be treated accordingly. Fasting should not be an excuse for performing poorly. Now each player needs to make their own choice.

Also, remember - working is a form of ibadot. Allah expects one to perform their daily work effectively & honestly i.e. with integrity and professionalism.

If a player feels that he must fast and fasting will impact his ability to perform his best, then he should recuse himself from playing. And if the player feels that he can fast and perform his best, then all the power to him.




.

Nocturnal
September 10, 2007, 04:41 PM
people people people.....there is always some kind of domestic or sometimes international cricket happening in BD during Ramadan month for YEARS and there no question arise cause if a player wants to fast he does it....simple. I have seen many players fasting during Dhaka Premier League Cricket and feel comfortable with that and ofcourse many players are not fasting. Same goes to this 20-20 WC too. Personal choice I guess. Thanks. :)

al Furqaan
September 10, 2007, 09:57 PM
I think we should end the discussion here. We're arguing about the people who might not even pray, let alone fasting. We don't even know if they fast when they dont have a game. And I said in the previous post that it's their personnal matter. If they don't fast or pray, they will be questioned not us. But again, we have the right to explain it to people whats right and wrong and that is ISLAM. It is our right to tell the people to pray and fast. It's their problem if they dont but we have to bring them to the right path of Islam. It's our DUTY. You cannot just say its their business if they pray or fast, if you do then you will be the sinner. If you read hadis or something you know that better than me. If you are a true believer and follower of Islam, you won't argue with me.

It really hurts when our own fellow muslims over-react when they hear something about ISLAM. I didn't know that being a Mullah or Alim should not follow cricket. Its really funny to hear that someone says "hate the mulla cricket supporters". Brother, I don't know why you said that but it wasn't the right way saying this. You might not like Mullah's because you dont want them come near you and say some hadis to you. But please don't hate them, Allah don't like the word "hate".

There's no schollars in islam. Everyone is a learner. We learn from each other. We explain to other what we know. We just cannot keep it to ourselves. If you know a hadis, you have to explain it to others around so they also know it. and THIS IS ISLAM. If you have to teach others what you know and learn from others. Don't ever say you know everything and if you do that means you are lying.

I'm no Mullah or Alim. I never went to a Madrasha or something. I'm like another person like you. I don't know much about Islam but trying to learn from others. I learnt those things by reading Quran, Hadis and by going to the Mosque, also from other people. And I'm sure other brothers learnt about Islam same way I did. And it is not bad to learn from others.

I've nothing to else to say. If I say something more then I've to hear some more hating words. And also moderators will start warning me as its a cricket related thread.

Thanks fellow Muslim Brothers & Sisters. Allah tomader mongol koruk. Amen.

P.S: Mods, a friendly sudgetion, please transfer this thread to the forget cricket section.

againt well stated murad bhai. jazak allah khairan

cricman
September 10, 2007, 10:11 PM
I saw one of the greatest basketball players ever put up 28 pts and 10+ Rbs for 15 years fasting during Ramadan

Sohel
September 11, 2007, 02:08 AM
I saw one of the greatest basketball players ever put up 28 pts and 10+ Rbs for 15 years fasting during Ramadan

Kareem or Hakim bro? I don't know my baskeball ...

cricman
September 11, 2007, 02:15 AM
Kareem or Hakim bro? I don't know my baskeball ...

Hakeem

Sohel
September 11, 2007, 02:25 AM
Hakeem

Thanks.

al Furqaan
September 11, 2007, 10:12 AM
speaking of which, i remember january 19, 1997 during ramadan the rockets were playing the jordan-pippen-rodman lead bulls.

the game was on NBC, and Hakeem had 33 points, 17 rebounds, 5 blocks, et al during an afternoon game while he was fasting - no Gatorade even! The Dream even managed to block a driving Michael Jordan...needless to say the Rockets won the game.

oh an i just learned that Pakistan won the 92 WC during ramadan.

Murad
September 11, 2007, 10:34 AM
Allah said: "if you make one step towards me, i will make 10 steps toward you".