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israr

October 13, 2007, 03:45 AM

Sohel

October 13, 2007, 04:05 AM

Actually, this may turn out to be a blessing in disguise IF it means that BCB will respond appropriately to this 'raising of the bar', and do what is necessary for us to be in the top 8 by setting our players up for better success at the highest level. Domestic FC cricket needs to be reformatted and revitalized faster than it has been among all other excellent 'plans' that tend to lose a great deal of seriousness when it comes to quality 'implementation'. Some of our players may also stop taking their status for granted and be as serious as they need to be mentally fit enough to deliver the type of consistent performances needed to be stay a top 8 team.

Maybe this type of kick-in-the-pants is just what we need to address some of the traditional slack and complacency at multiple levels, and do what is necessary to better apply our talent in the middle where it counts the most. Tough love generates good things in those who survive it ... :)

cricket_king

October 13, 2007, 10:27 AM

Ahh crap! Well if the ICC are trying to raise the popularity of cricket, why in hell would they only allow the top 8 teams to play? Dammit!
Well...guess there's no point in having a cry...we gotta get ourselves up there in the top 8.

al Furqaan

October 13, 2007, 11:00 AM

of course, something has to be done...bangladesh keeps raining on the parade!

:D

Rifat

October 13, 2007, 11:11 AM

i see it as no big deal... calm down.

Inshallah, Bangladesh will be playing many many cricket matches next year, let's just hope that we succeed as expected in NZ at least in the ODI version (one victory should be satisfactory enough but anything less than that will make us "minnows"(if that term is still being used to label us) again)(forget about test) and then pull off some upsets in February/March...

then let's talk about this subject!

switchbak

October 13, 2007, 01:20 PM

stupid icc ...i thought they want the cricket to grow in USA CHINA ..n now the real teams cant even participate, how can those teams like USA CHINA play

AsifTheManRahman

October 13, 2007, 01:22 PM

bepar na...world cup e giye 2/4ta boro bhai ke chor thappor khaway dile icc abar line e chole ashbe. :)

shujan

October 13, 2007, 02:19 PM

Bangladesh need to make up 50 + points in ICC ODI ranking to place them in 8th position.

Beating NZ and south africa atleast once in the upcoming series will improve about 5 points. Then arrange couple of 5 ODI series against Zimabawe, Kaneya and Ireland and start climbs in the points to catch 105 by beating them. We need to keep on winning.

Bangladesh next target should be to climb in the 8th spot in ODI ranking.

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switchbak

October 13, 2007, 03:32 PM

....Bangladesh need to make up 50 + points in ICC ODI ranking to place them in 8th position.

Beating NZ and south africa atleast once in the upcoming series will improve about 5 points. Then arrange couple of 5 ODI series against Zimabawe, Kaneya and Ireland and start climbs in the points to catch 105 by beating them. We need to keep on winning.....

Bangladesh next target should be to climb in the 8th spot in ODI ranking.

50 point. wow.DHELA ACHEY, beating SA n NZ ?!?! ... in our dreams.may be one match out of 2 series.
only 1 n easier then "EARNING 50" way to play on T20 n Champion T. is to kill ICCs managements, or make them change the rule to "ONLY LOW RANKING TEAM CAN PLAY on T20 n blah blah"

nasimul

October 13, 2007, 03:32 PM

Beating NZ and south africa atleast once in the upcoming series will improve about 5 points. Then arrange couple of 5 ODI series against Zimabawe, Kaneya and Ireland and start climbs in the points to catch 105 by beating them. We need to keep on winning.

There are two different formulae. One applies if the gap between the two teams' ratings is less than 40 points, the other if the gap is 40 points or more. The points you score from a particular ODI are as follows:

Case 1 - gap between the two teams' ratings is less than 40 points:

if you win, you score 50 points more than your opponent's rating
if you lose, you score 50 points less than your opponent's rating
if you tie, you score your opponent's ratingCase 2 - gap between the two teams' ratings is 40 points or more:

if the stronger team wins, it scores 10 points more than its own rating while the weaker team scores 10 points less than its own rating
if the weaker team wins, it scores 90 points more than its own rating while the stronger team scores 90 points less than its own rating
if the match is tied, the stronger team scores 40 points less than its own rating and the weaker team scores 40 points more than its own rating

Eshen

October 13, 2007, 04:23 PM

The rating difference between BD and WI is too great. Even if all of a sudden we start to win matches more regularly (say every fourth/fifth ODI) and WI continues to be a miserable team, it will still take 2/3 years for us to take over WI. That means we are not going to play in 2008 champions trophy, 2009 T20 wc, and, possibly, 2010 champions trophy.

Nafi

October 13, 2007, 04:40 PM

trust me the gap is much smaller

Eshen

October 13, 2007, 05:11 PM

trust me the gap is much smaller

Trust me, the gap is huge. I can say there is 99% surety that Bangladesh won't play in 2008 Champions Trophy or in 2009 T20 WC if ICC stays with its decision to restrict those tournaments for top eight teams.

Nafi

October 13, 2007, 05:12 PM

BTW we arent trying to get 50 points, thats rating which is is different.

The objective is to get 1000 points, which would require three wins against top sides such SA and NZ and a four more from the middle teams such as England and India. Its very possible with amount of cricket we play before the champions trophy.

Eshen

October 13, 2007, 05:48 PM

The objective is to get 1000 points, which would require three wins against top sides such SA and NZ and a four more from the middle teams such as England and India. Its very possible with amount of cricket we play before the champions trophy.
Sounds like you are having trouble with elementary math, so let me explain it to you in little more detail -

Currently Bangladesh have 1238 points in 26 matches. Say we miraculously win next seven matches against big boys and earn another 1000 points. Then we have 2238 points in 33 (26+7) matches. Our rating then becomes 2238/33=68 which is far away from WI's current rating of 102.

BTW, last time I checked, we generally get only 1-2 wins against big boys in a calendar year.

israr

October 13, 2007, 06:04 PM

BTW, last time I checked, we generally get only 1-2 wins against big boys in a calendar year.

Its going to change brother, its just the beginning of the beginning. The actual drama is yet to unfold. Faith in :flag:, and that's all what is required from us.

Eshen

October 13, 2007, 06:07 PM

Its going to change brother, its just the beginning of the beginning. The actual drama is yet to unfold. Faith in :flag:, and that's all what is required from us.
I also think things are going to change, but the change is not going to be as dramatic as some of you think.

israr

October 13, 2007, 06:09 PM

trust me the gap is much smaller

I know that the gap you're talking about is very small, but the other gap being discussed here is quite big. But no fears, we are going to overcome it sooner than later. Insha'ALLAH!

Eshen

October 13, 2007, 11:44 PM

Malcolm Speed has confirmed last month that only top eight teams will play in 2008 Champions Trophy.

... the 2008 Champions Trophy would be completed in just over two weeks.

"We are committed to the Champions Trophy," Speed insisted.

"It will be an eight-team event, with two groups of four - a short, sharp tournament with the best teams playing in Pakistan next year in September....

Speed reins in hype over Twenty20 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/7010567.stm)

However, I still hope ICC will be wise enough not to mess with the 12-team format of the T20 WC, regardless how much England may like it to be an 8-team affair.

Murad

October 13, 2007, 11:59 PM

Don't worry about the T20 Championship cause by 2009 we willl be in the top 8 in the T20 Rankings.. They wont look at the ODI rankings for T20 championship, I believe.

We will see a ranking chart very soon from the ICC.

however, to reach top 8 in ODI, we need another 4 years at least...

Ahmed_B

October 14, 2007, 02:17 AM

Question is... why you guys counting the top-8 ODI teams for the T20 WC? Plain logic says it has to be top-8 T20 teams.. right?

cricket_king

October 14, 2007, 02:54 AM

Question is... why you guys counting the top-8 ODI teams for the T20 WC? Plain logic says it has to be top-8 T20 teams.. right?

Well I really don't care whether we play in T20 tournament or not. That's one cricket tournament I don't support. ODIs are my main concern.

Lord AK

October 14, 2007, 03:55 AM

Well I really don't care whether we play in T20 tournament or not. That's one cricket tournament I don't support. ODIs are my main concern.
You might not be concerned but other people are.

Foozy

October 14, 2007, 05:34 AM

I don't know why this topic wasn't brought up earlier. Its seriously shocking. In the beginning, I was diffident to accept this, but after some thorough surfing on the net, my worst fears came true. In the upcoming Champions Trophy in 2008, only the top eight ranked teams shall be participating, with no preliminary qualifying rounds as staged in 2006. The format will be the same for 2009 World T20, and only the 'elite eight' nations will be included.
Check these out if you are still hesitant to believe:
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/westindies/content/story/245875.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/4834568.stm

Its time to protest, to raise our voice before its too late. We should not let these double standards take place if cricket really wants to portary itself as the 'game of love and unity'.

We will rise one day, no one can stop us from reaching our summit.
We're on our way:flag: INSHA'ALLAH!!!

Thanks for that post bro, I for one have replied to the cricinfo link. There is a feedback link below it, and I just wrote them a comment. I think all of us should do that. It will really feel bad to not see Bangladesh in any of the major events. That will surely suck! So comeon bangalis!! Lets take 30 seconds and just send in a note. There should be some sort of a reaction!:flag::flag::flag:

Aritro

October 14, 2007, 06:39 AM

Can't complain too much about being left out of the Champion's Trophy, although I think it's a slight slap in the face given that we're a Test team.

But if they go through with this decision to restrict the T20 circus to the top 8 teams, it'll be yet another act of monumental stupidity from the ICC. T20 is exactly the platform cricket needs to promote the game in non-traditional regions. If anything, the format for the next one should be expanded not only to include all the 14 teams who were involved in the One Day world cup, but also to involve countries like Nepal, Afghanistan and Uganda.

They've missed a real trick here.

Bengaliprince176

October 14, 2007, 07:41 AM

:lol: :floor: :floor: :lol: ICC are a joke if they actually think that rule should happen, im sure the WI, India and Pakistan will have a fat grin from this one as BD has got through to the Super Eights twice this year yet, they have only once.......

Tigers_eye

October 14, 2007, 09:04 AM

I love ICC. Why not also restrict WC to eight top teams?

BangladeshFan

October 14, 2007, 09:50 AM

lol, Bd is a dangerous proposition for ICC. They can kick out India from ODI WC , which is a huge revenue loss. And then kick out WI, who is trying to become a superpower once again in 20-20 thru their american investment.

Lossing teams like India, Pak or WI before super 8s is something ICC cant afford. Out of all weaker teams Bd will continue these upsets and but is not improving in a regular pattern. So they need an idea to keep BD out. and Here it goes...

Eshen

October 14, 2007, 01:22 PM

Question is... why you guys counting the top-8 ODI teams for the T20 WC? Plain logic says it has to be top-8 T20 teams.. right?
Currently, ICC don't have a ranking for T20I, and I have not heard that they are going to start one. In the last T20 WC, they made the seedings based on ODI ranking, so I have just assumed ICC is going to do the same for 2009 T20 WC.

Sovik

October 14, 2007, 01:36 PM

I love ICC. Why not also restrict WC to eight top teams?

may the teams qualified for the super eight in last tournament

cricket_dorshok

October 14, 2007, 01:41 PM

Currently, ICC don't have a ranking for T20I, and I have not heard that they are going to start one. In the last T20 WC, they made the seedings based on ODI ranking, so I have just assumed ICC is going to do the same for 2009 T20 WC.
I think ICC will introduce (though not sure) T20 ranking system. Choosing top-8 T20 based on DOI ranking will be a blunder.
ICC's every decision to leave Bangladesh out from any tournament backfired them so will in future.

Eshen

October 14, 2007, 01:48 PM

I can't blame ICC much, they are always under pressure from individual cricket boards to cut short ICC events so that boards have more time for their own tournaments. After all, ICC is an financial organization who have to look after the financial interests of its major stakeholders (unfortunately, we are not one of them yet).

cricket_king

October 15, 2007, 12:58 AM

You might not be concerned but other people are.

Absolutely right. How about you go watch some 8th grade cricket? It sounds like your type of game :)

switchbak

October 15, 2007, 11:48 AM

israr

October 15, 2007, 12:36 PM

soccer / football [FIFA] makes it biger n larger, but ICC makes it shorter. FIFA came to Bd during the WC CRICKET 07 n they noticed that we are more into cricket then soccer/football, n they also noticed that only 16 teams are playing at WC. then they goes like "YES CRICKEAT IS A FUNNY GAME" ...shame shame

The reason fifa can afford to include more teams is because football is a completely different game from cricket. Check out the past champions of the football WC, and you'll notice till now, only 8 different teams have won the title. But since football can be easily understood as soon as you're born, and since it finshes in a glimpse of an eye, they can bring in more teams to receive greater audience viewership, but cricket's a complete different situation. Incidentally, as the 'so-called cricket experts' discuss, there are 'elite 8' in cricket as well capable of winnning any major ICC Trophy. But I fail to understand how can we be ignored in this case. We've proven it during both the tournaments by making it pass the preliminary stage, and giving tough fights. But that's a good sign, because the rest of the cricket fraternity already knows and are greatly worried that we're the next and future invincibles, hence they'll try their every bit to procrastinate our progress as much as possible. But since 1952 in our nation's glorious history, as we've shown in the past and as the world've learnt, the 'others' can't snatch the ineluctable from us.

Eshen

October 15, 2007, 04:10 PM

there are 'elite 8' in cricket as well capable of winnning any major ICC Trophy. But I fail to understand how can we be ignored in this case. We've proven it during both the tournaments by making it pass the preliminary stage, and giving tough fights.
Israr, the problem is Bangladesh can win a match every now and then, but we are never really a contender for championship in any tournament. WI, the team ahead of us in the ranking, is generally a miserable team (atleast in last few years) but they still managed to win a Champions Trophy and reach the final of the other one.

Also, we don't give tough fights, we usually win comprehensively (on occasions) or lose comprehensively (most of the time). We simply have to improve on our consistency before we ask others to treat us better.

Mahmood

October 16, 2007, 07:12 AM

The ranking gap between Bangladesh and West Indies is not as much as it seems. In June, we will see the new ranking that will drop off the stats for 2005. That removes a year full of loss for us while taking away many wins by WI. It will make us real close to WI if not above.

If we play good cricket for 1 year, we will be number 8.

Tigers_eye

October 16, 2007, 08:51 AM

We win 10% of our games. WI wins 20% of their games. I am not sure how we will catch them?

Padosan

October 16, 2007, 10:03 AM

so ICC wants to start the tourney in super 8 format and make sure the super 8 is already decided :)). No more shocks and losses.

Well I will accept this if they scrap all the existing points and start from the scratch. Lets see who will be in the top 8. Kinda like Champions league in soccer, scrap all the points when they announce this.

cheers!
Padosan

Sohel

October 16, 2007, 11:19 AM

... Well I will accept this if they scrap all the existing points and start from the scratch. Lets see who will be in the top 8. Kinda like Champions league in soccer, scrap all the points when they announce this...

Spot on, that would be the FAIR and RIGHT thing to do ... :)

Fazal

October 16, 2007, 12:35 PM

It may not be bad. T20s is nothing but trouble. See what is happening all these Asian teams after playing some T20s? There are all (more or less) Kupokath in their own backyard.

nafees_mashrafee

October 16, 2007, 12:48 PM

to let only to 8 teams play in champions trophy makes sense, but in T20 also? T20 is the perfect format for weaker teams to cause upsets. we've seen BD beat WI and ZIM beat AUS. who thought india and pakistan would play in the final? icc should let more associate nations play T20. bad decision by icc. i don't know what they mean when they say they want to spread cricket.

Mahmood

October 16, 2007, 03:17 PM

Apperently, on the T20 ranking, we are now number 7.

http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=47183&sec=7

FaridpurChicago

October 16, 2007, 05:59 PM

Here comes the main drama. We all know (and mentioned here too) why ICC is persuing super 8s from the beginning of the tournament. Still let me mention here once again:
1. This will keep their financial integrity by not losing any major team.
2. Tournament will take less time and major teams will get more time for their tour.

If one of the major teams get affected by not making into the tournament, I'm more than sure ICC will change their format. They can't set two different formats for ODI (Champion's tr.) and T20. Our T20 ranking will take us to ODI tournament as ICC is bound to change format.

Apperently, on the T20 ranking, we are now number 7.

http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=47183&sec=7

Eshen

October 16, 2007, 08:38 PM

Apperently, on the T20 ranking, we are now number 7.

http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=47183&sec=7

Does anyone have an idea from where Naya Diganta found this ICC ranking ?

cluster11

October 17, 2007, 08:11 AM

Bangladesh is indeed 7th in overall record in T20 ahead of England, Zimbabwe and West Indies but I don't know if there is an oficial ICC rating system for T20 yet. I'm pretty sure though that there will be one in the next year and unless BD gets whitewashed in a T20 event they shud be in top 8. You can find the overall team stat in cricinfo.com's T20 section. I posted that ranking few weeks back also. So this top-8 policy may backfire on ICC.

al Furqaan

October 17, 2007, 10:34 AM

It may not be bad. T20s is nothing but trouble. See what is happening all these Asian teams after playing some T20s? There are all (more or less) Kupokath in their own backyard.

i've been saying this all along...T20s is garbage cricket.

many people (mostly indian) are clamoring that it should replace ODIs!

rainmaniac

October 17, 2007, 11:38 AM

many people (mostly indian) are clamoring that it should replace ODIs![/QUOTE]

i think they r afraid that they will continue with their disastrous form in ODIs...they lost the current series to aussies and they had a disastrous WC...its time they realize their mistake by calling some of their opponents minnows:mad:

rainmaniac

October 17, 2007, 11:43 AM

we hav started performing pretty well in tournaments...this is so unfair...icc should not hav taken this decision...if they hav got financial problem they should try to solve it instead of kicking teams out of tournaments:mad:

nahaz

October 21, 2007, 03:27 AM

I was just watching the Rugby Union WC final telecast today..and they were talking about minnows included in Union for the WC.It seemed they loved the idea since the minnows always add a bit of unpredictability and excitement in the game...the lesser teams have caused a few upsets and close matches as well.According to the commentators the WC without them would be quite mundane.Money should not be an issue here,they said.

I think the same applies to the big tournaments in cricket..the minnows are the ones who add life to them...who cares if England beats India or even Australia in a group match!It's when Bangladesh or Zimbabwe does it to the bigger teams that the lesser matches get any coverage.I'm not saying Bd are minnows anymore, but are underdogs:-D. Everyoneloves underdogs.Face it ICC..if WC was an 8 team affair it would be boring as anything with all going according to script.

That said, I think Bd shouldn't bother participating in Champions Trophies anyway just to make up numbers...especially if it's just b4 NCL or an overseas tour.Think the more time NCL teams get to practice together as a team the better it wil also be.

Twenty 20 is an entertaining distraction- and Bd should participate coz they are so good:D.Letting us participate in it only glorifies the tournament;)

P.S: 100th post

zahid

October 21, 2007, 07:25 AM

Right thing to do. That should make our team more responsible from now on.

israr

October 21, 2007, 07:29 AM

Forget about T20, but why from CT.

bd_fan_from_india

November 1, 2007, 06:11 AM

i've been saying this all along...T20s is garbage cricket.

many people (mostly indian) are clamoring that it should replace ODIs!

not many indians r saying 20/20 should replace odis. i am an indian myself & i hate this 20/20 format. just 1-2 good/bad overs can change the whole match. also the absence of low-scoring thrillers is 1 point due to which i dislike the 20/20 cricket. a run-rate of over 7 is seen in every match. also, 20/20 isnt real cricket and i like the odis more as they get to offer the best of both worlds.

Roni_uk

November 1, 2007, 07:08 AM

we should change the title of this thread as ICC just announced the fixture for Twenty20 2009 and we are in there and looks like a definite second round place for us insallah:

Groupings for 2009 ICC World Twenty20 fixed

Cricinfo staff

October 31, 2007

Twenty20 champions India have been grouped with Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in the first round of the 2009 ICC World Twenty20 which the ICC revealed today.

The ICC fixed the groups based on the positions the teams finished in the 2007 tournament in South Africa because not enough Twenty20 matches have been played to establish official rankings. Australia are in the toughest group - on paper - along with Sri Lanka and West Indies.

The ICC board discussed the groupings early after a request by the England board, which will host the event, so allow it to proceed with the bidding process for sponsors.

The groups (with 2007 finishing positions in brackets):

Group A
India (1)
Bangladesh (8)
Zimbabwe (9)

Group B
Pakistan (2)
England (7)
Associate 1 (10)

Group C
Australia (3)
Sri Lanka (6)
West Indies (11)

Group D
New Zealand (4)
South Africa (5)
Associate 2 (12)

© Cricinfo

kaisermatin

November 1, 2007, 08:28 AM

Good post. Bangladesh should sue ICC for illegal point system in the world court. What does our management at BCCB do? Do they just oblige by when kicked in the rear? Any way ranking points should change afresh every year. I think than cricket will be more competitive. What's the point in spending if we don't get the prestige?