Imrul Kayes

[Omio]

He just got 2 ton in NCL and people start dreaming on him to be next BD superstar.

[Murad]

hahaha You already made him a super star?? funny!

He seems to be a good opener. So now we have 3 young openers (Imrul, Jahurul & Junaid) who are working hard to get the place in the national team. I think they will give a real hard time to SN. I can see a great competion among these three. If SN can't get his form back then I think selectors will go for both Imrul & Junaid for the opening slots in both version of the game. And as for Golla, he will not find any place in the national team anymore. I'm sure Imrul won't do any worse than him.

Nafees babaji, get your forms back. Leave your wife for some good years. Loose your weights. Your place is in real danger.

[cricket_king]

Oh brother....superstar already? I doubt this Imrul guy has anything special. Perhaps in the test version, but in the ODs, although his strike rate was pretty ok as he had faced 120-odd deliveries, his other OD matches haven't held very good strike rates for an opener. However he does seem real hard working, and he also seems to be able to dig in and hold on until the bad balls are bowled.

I doubt he's much of a consideration for any of the upcoming tours.

[MarufH]

Read this Article (http://www.dailyinqilab.com/november7/pdf/sp.pdf)

http://www.dailyinqilab.com/november7/pdf/sp.pdf

Well, it's too early to tell... but we desperately need a batsman who can take single and doubles... rather than batsman like Tamim.

I won't be surprised, if we see Junaid and Imrul opening for BD in near future.

[rumØrS]

our super stars coms on goes. i think its cuz they stays with the old members n by staying with them then new 1s become like the old 1s :(

[rumØrS]

He seems to be a good opener. So now we have 3 young openers (Imrul, Jahurul & Junaid) who are working hard to get the place in the national team. I think they will give a real hard time to SN. I can see a great competion among these three. If SN can't get his form back then I think selectors will go for both Imrul & Junaid for the opening slots in both version of the game. And as for Golla, he will not find any place in the national team anymore. I'm sure Imrul won't do any worse than him.

Nafees babaji, get your forms back. Leave your wife for some good years. Loose your weights. Your place is in real danger.

man SN were super star yesterday so were tamim, nazimuddin. and many moreeee.

when tamim came n kicked INDIAS A$$ u guys didnt like SN ne more. n then tamim joined the old group n nazimuddin came n we hated tamim, then nazimuddin failed too..:-X :sigh: :sigh: n forget about the even older 1s rajin nafes iqbal, n all that

[nahaz]

http://www.prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=Njc1NzA=&mid=OA==
From what I've read today in the prothom-alo article on Imrul, he sounds like a very promising cricketer.To aim for consistency like Hussey rather than to bat like Afridi is not sth Bd cricketers mention a lot. He says he's in nohurry to get into the team , but wants to stay in the team once he gets in.He also likes the longer version better.Isn't this exactly what we need as a test opener?

I'd say keep an eye on him for this season and the one after...if he's still performing well, take him in.Maybe a few games with the A team next year before that. But both him and Junaed sound promising and classy. It's just a question of if they can be consistent enough. Tamim and SN better get ready for the battle.

For now, just let him enjoy. We'll just keep watch on them.And whatever happened to Rakibul?sigh...

[Eshen]

Zunaed and Imrul have similar amount of experience playing in domestic leagues and playing for academy team, their stats at those levels are also somewhat similar. So, if the selectors want to consider one of them, I don't see why not to consider the other one.

Even though Shahriar Nafees is currently in a bad form I am still backing him to be taken to NZ, we need atleast one experienced opening batsman on an overseas tour. For the other slot, selectors should take two rookies on this tour and see which one turns out to be better. I would send Tamim, Zunaed, Imrul all three to the national team prep camp and let Siddons decide which two to take to NZ.

[AsifTheManRahman]

Imrul has at least another two years of domestic, A team and academy cricket before merely starting to pose a threat to any of the current competitors for the opening slot, period.

[MarufH]

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/81200/81295.jpg


he should loose few pounds.....or perhaps build that into muscle.

[MarufH]

http://ittefaq.com/data/up/07/11/07/23763_1.jpg

[Eshen]

What impressed me most about Imrul is that, according to news reports, both of his centuries were chanceless whereas Zunaed and Tamim both were given lives during their century making innings. Also Imrul made his centuries on Fatullah, reportedly on a lively wicket (you can see the grass on the wicket from pictures in tigercricket). Those indications make me think he may be a more compact batsman than the other two.

[IanW]

he should loose few pounds.....or perhaps build that into muscle.

Nahh, stick him on the Boonie diet. Fitness is overrated in cricketers.

[Kabir]

Imrul has at least another two years of domestic, A team and academy cricket before merely starting to pose a threat to any of the current competitors for the opening slot, period.

Thought I wouldn't comment in this thread, simply because we start dreaming of a star all the time. But had to add to your message - DITTO!!!

[kalpurush]

Well, it's nice to see how the competition is growing among the cricketers. The youngstars are trying to work hard to get a call from the National Team. It's really a good sign for our cricket. If Siddons were able to watch some matches during this time, he surely would have a better pic of our domestic cricket. I hope when he returns from home later this month, should watch few matches to see what options he has...:)

[Omio]

i didnt tell him tht he will be next superstar, I just tell tht people start thinking.

[nobody]

here we go. two good innings and bring him in national team.

[SS]

I agree that based on our previous selection process of good performers, it is very hard to predict if chosen for the national team, we will be doing justice to our national team and Imrul too. Previously, our top ran scorers got chance after their good performances, they failed to score decent in international arena. We don't have option either, I would strongly recommend to test these top scorers with practice matches if we will have any. Though it is very difficult to make room for one or two batsmen as no other players want to miss the opportunity to sit in practice games!
Long term solutions, top run getters should travel with academy and A teams more frequently to international matches, otherwise very hard to recognize these achievements based on international standards.

[Miraz]

Imrul Kayes is in the scenario for quite some time and is defnitely one of our future prospects. He is one of the players I am watching in the current NCL (we have a thread on this).

He is somewhat consistent for the last two years, let him play another 2 seasons and only then he should be included within the selection process. In the mean time he should play A team and Academy team matches.

[Tigers_eye]

our super stars coms on goes. i think its cuz they stays with the old members n by staying with them then new 1s become like the old 1s :(
I agree 100%. No 110%.

Example:
Boktiar (dana/gothia cup hero) was a such a fine defender at BKSP. He use to dazzle opponent with his fine ball control and even overlap and score at regular interval. More like the Brazilian Superstar Roberto Carlos. Right after his graduation he joined Abahani. I went to see his game (this is end of 80's). Ah!! It seemed he had forgot everything that was taught to him for the past six years. When ball came to him (time and again) his central defender (I forgot his name) yelled at him to kick it out (clear it), lol, even if there wasn't any offensive player around him. What a waste.

[Tigers_eye]

Imrul Kayes is in the scenario for quite some time and is defnitely one of our future prospects. He is one of the players I am watching in the current NCL (we have a thread on this).

He is somewhat consistent for the last two years, let him play another 2 seasons and only then he should be included within the selection process. In the mean time he should play A team and Academy team matches.
Current BCB needs to make it mandatory as a selection criteria as minimum 40 First class matches. That is four years of full domestic cricket. 19+4=23 for a batsman.

[zainab]

Well, it's nice to see how the competition is growing among the cricketers. The youngstars are trying to work hard to get a call from the National Team. It's really a good sign for our cricket. If Siddons were able to watch some matches during this time, he surely would have a better pic of our domestic cricket. I hope when he returns from home later this month, should watch few matches to see what options he has...:)

I am sure that Siddons will be told about these good performers, will watch at their performances and probably invite them into his training camp.
This is good competition for a few places in the squad, but core players of the squad should be the ones BD has now. It is inconsistent to rotate players quickly.

[Eshen]

Current BCB needs to make it mandatory as a selection criteria as minimum 40 First class matches. That is four years of full domestic cricket. 19+4=23 for a batsman.
If you want that kind of standard to be implemented, then we have to leave Aftab, SN, Mushfiq, Sakib, Shahadat, Tamim, Mahmudullah, Farhad, Zunaed all out of the selection. Then we can happily go back to selecting JO, Hannna, Bashar, Mashud, Tapash, Sharif, etc for next few years.

[Tigers_eye]

If you want that kind of standard to be implemented, then we have to leave Aftab, SN, Mushfiq, Sakib, Shahadat, Tamim, Mahmudullah, Farhad, Zunaed all out of the selection. Then we can happily go back to selecting JO, Hannna, Bashar, Mashud, Tapash, Sharif, etc for next few years.
If that makes the "jodi laigga jai" batsmen more "consistant" in two more years, why would I not agree? The selection process is flawed. For the short-term gain (wow what a gain we are having! innings defeats in test!! laying egg on 80% of the ODIs we play.) we are sacrificing our future.

[akabir77]

If you want that kind of standard to be implemented, then we have to leave Aftab, SN, Mushfiq, Sakib, Shahadat, Tamim, Mahmudullah, Farhad, Zunaed all out of the selection. Then we can happily go back to selecting JO, Hannna, Bashar, Mashud, Tapash, Sharif, etc for next few years.


I think for our better feature we should do that else we will be stuck in the same place for a decade... I know people will jump on me for saying this but think about it we get good player who we think will turn the tide for us and then after few days we start our dream with new guys. we need to find out why the guys that r given chances r failing... At least in TEST cricket we have to either give these people a lot of time if we believe on them and there technique or let them grow in domestic and A list games we can't have both... there is a reason why there r so few crickters have shined without 1st class games in their back...

[Tigers_eye]

Akabir bhai,
Those who would jump on you lack the intelect of seeing the future. They would want results now, which in reality would never happen. Replacing players oldies with newbies (potential) would not change the result drastically. More over we would be hurting the boys more than we can imagine.

Australia nurtures talent. They become the Husseys. On the other hand, we throw our talent in the wolves den at the tender age of 18/19. Do you want me to name some of them??? The list would go on and on. We destroy their confidence before it can even bloom.

[Kabir]

If you want that kind of standard to be implemented, then we have to leave Aftab, SN, Mushfiq, Sakib, Shahadat, Tamim, Mahmudullah, Farhad, Zunaed all out of the selection. Then we can happily go back to selecting JO, Hannna, Bashar, Mashud, Tapash, Sharif, etc for next few years.

It won't be bad to do just that, but I think T_E meant to say that implementing this policy will help filter out any more "jodi laigga jay" type of player. That is, he meant to make an exception for the current players, and keep this policy for any NEW player to be selected for the national side.

[sensible]

Give him time, people!

Our "superstars" come and go because we bring them in too early. Let them mature, play for the A team. But the way the media and fans started to praise this guy, he'll be in the national side before you know it and then he'll vanish like the others.

We don't want that!

[Eshen]

Do you want me to name some of them???
Sure, why not ?

The only serious Bangladeshi talents that I have seen gone wasted so far are Nafees Iqbal, Tushar Imran, and Alok Kapali. Those guys are still young and have plenty of time and opportunity to make comebacks. Even if they are wasted for life, the number is still not higher than super talents from countries like Australia, England, and SA who fail to make transitions from lower levels to international stage.

[AsifTheManRahman]

IMO, the best that we can do under current circumstances is to make the selection process tough for newcomers and stick to a core group of players for national team service over the next couple of years. This will ensure the following:

1. The current players will have more time to learn their trade through more games and greater security

2. The reserves will develop to a minimum international standard before being considered for selection

[Eshen]

we need to find out why the guys that r given chances r failing...
I think many of the guys are struggling simply because of lack of talents or their technical limitations rather because of lack of experience. For example, it's not hard to see the technical limitations SN or Rajin has, and it should not be all that surprising that oppositions players found out those weaknesses by now and know how to manipulate them.

Part of the solution is have those guys work with the new coach and see if he can fix them. But at the same time I don't see why other youngsters who may be technically better equipped for international stage should be blocked from the national team.

What I am saying is that let Siddons have a look at both experienced and inexperienced guys and let him decide which ones he wants to work with for next two years.

[Hatebreed]

BD superstar = BD fallen star

I see no point in including these players who are "potentially" future prospects. We have included enough players in the national team who had one or two good performances only to see them struggling to find consistency since. What's the point of having a domestic structure and an academy if we don't utilise them to groom these players first? Until these players are sufficiently experienced in domestic level they should not be burdened with national duty for their own good.

[Ahmed_B]

wow what a gain we are having....laying egg on 80% of the ODIs we play.:lol:

[Fazal]

Emrul bites like a Bhemrul.... Go Kayes Go !!!!

What a time to score two centuries. He picked up the right time to dazzle the new coach... perfect timimg...

some times that is what is needed for a new-kid-in-the-block to get the break..... whether he will make it or break it, we have to wait and see...

But its a great achievement by Kayes considering the fact that most of the national players (batsman) are yet to make a good case to the new coach...

[zainab]

This is healthy discussion, but I am sure that the new coach will have his own ideas what to do to improve the players, he is most interested in Test cricket, and I think that his goal is that BD take the game into the 5th day and do not lose by an innings.
This of course cannot happen overnight. Whatmore never concentrated on Test cricket, Siddons will.
He will also concentrate on ODIs, Bd has to win a few more matches against better teams in 2008. They beat India, SA, nearly beat England, and WI in the 20/20, but must beat them in a 50 over game.
Let's have hopes that BD will improve under his tutelage. I am sure that he will keep core players and work with them.

[rumØrS]

here we go. two good innings and bring him in national team.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[rumØrS]

wut i think is they just plays well to get in the National team when they do get a chance to play, they just stop working hard. n also they hear all this kinda "GUN GUN" n they just some how changes. or other thing can be is that "CHOKH LAGE" when we so WOW SN IS SOO GUD TAMIM IS BETTER

[Murad]

"Imrul (Kayes) played two good knocks but he has a long way to go. Left-arm pacer Sajidul Islam proved that he could be a good longer-version bowler but still, I can't say we have found a few exceptional players," he explained.

This is what our Chief Selector said. So based on this I can say he won't be selected for national team in near future. Good thinking.

[Eshen]

If that makes the "jodi laigga jai" batsmen more "consistant" in two more years, why would I not agree? The selection process is flawed. For the short-term gain (wow what a gain we are having! innings defeats in test!! laying egg on 80% of the ODIs we play.) we are sacrificing our future.
T_E, what you are asking is to throw away all the good works done during Whatmore era and go back to the squad before that time. Can you see how ridiculous that sounds ? Is not it better to win an ODI once in a while as opposed to not win at all (and sometimes make the opposition run for their money in Test matches too) ?

I see some of you really hate to see selectors/management keep experimenting with the team, but sometimes you have to keep experimenting until you find a sound solution. I don't see any reason to be content with our current openers (JO, SN, Tamim). Siddons may be able to help those guys to improve, but regardless how good a batting coach he is I don't think he can make an opener out of someone who does not have required talent for it. JO clearly doesn't have talent and is too old to do something about it; I am not sure if SN should continue as an opener with his horrible footwork. That leaves us with Tamim and I do see potential in him, but I still think we should try out someone who has a better array of shots. Right now I see Zunaed and Imrul are only two person raising their hands for that opportunity.

The good thing about NZ tour is that we have practice matches in the start of the tour where we can try an extra batsman to see if he is ready to step up to the next level.

[Tigers_eye]

Sure, why not ?

The only serious Bangladeshi talents that I have seen gone wasted so far are Nafees Iqbal, Tushar Imran, and Alok Kapali. Those guys are still young and have plenty of time and opportunity to make comebacks. Even if they are wasted for life, the number is still not higher than super talents from countries like Australia, England, and SA who fail to make transitions from lower levels to international stage.
I will answer the red first, then the blue and the green part of your quote.
(red) My dear friend in BC,
How many players play in the FC's in those countries you have mentioned? Approximately? How many do play in BD? Approximately? There is a difference between % of failure and % of getting a chance. Do not get mixed up in those two and please do not compare with those nations domestic cricket with ours. There is no comparison between them and us.

(blue) Who is going to take the blame if one player gets wasted because of the wimsical selection process we have. Our previous Academy coaches had already warned Dav and the selectors on recruiting the young pups too early. No one listens to the mentors. Not even the fans.

(green) Dear Eshen,
You mention only three serious talents. How do you know the others who's career is almost over for international matches wouldn't pan out to be better than those serious talents had they were protected? You can go to BD test cricket debutant's list and see from 50+ almost 99% was not ready for a test debut.

Fahim Muntasir, Talha had no business playing test cricket at their age with almost zero first class experience. Hannar Sarkar the guy got praised from S Waugh parished because of the early inclusion. Nazmul a great prospect and we are lost him. Shakib, Aftab, Ash, Mushi, Farhad, Junaid, Nazim, Imrul, Mahmudullah, Tamim - none of them would even get any type of consideration had they were born in any other test playing country. Do you agree with that? Potential gets a player no where. Only a twenty plus average is not what BD cricket needs. They need players who can consistantly perform. One can only know when the players have played enough first class matches and performed consistantly.

I am afraid you would not agree with me on this one so I would like to conclude with "you have your own opinion and I have mine." Peace.

[Eshen]

"you have your own opinion and I have mine." Peace.
Does that mean you want this lively discussion between two of us to stop ? If that so, too bad, I was (honestly) enjoying it.

Just want to remind you that talents like Mark Ramprakash and Graeme Hick failed to excell at international stage even though they had good amount of FC experience behind them. Sometimes it's just that you either have what it takes to be in the top league or you don't. I am not sure we should hold the selectors entirely responsible why Nafees, Tushar, and Alok could not turn out to be consistent international performers. Others that you mentioned (Fahim, Talha, Hannan, Nazmul), I doubt they were real talents to be missed out from the national team (I consider those guys more as stop gap options).

Anyway, peace.

[Fazal]

Eshen already pointed out that Opening slot(s) are one of the weakest links for our team. And we have very few immidiate alternatives to address that. Either the player is off form, old rejects, not tested enough, had obvious technical limitation, or too inexperinced to try. So we have to compromise one way or another.

Thats why kayes's two centuries weighs more than it is supposed to weigh. Two more centuries and failures by the rest (in next two rounds)..... you never know miracle happens.... i.e. selectors can change their mind and go for the untested instead....

[Nocturnal]

Eshen already pointed out that Opening slot(s) are one of the weakest links for our team. And we have very few immidiate alternatives to address that. Either the player is off form, old rejects, not tested enough, had obvious technical limitation, or too inexperinced to try. So we have to compromise one way or another.

Thats why kayes's two centuries weighs more than it is supposed to weigh. Two more centuries and failures by the rest (in next two rounds)..... you never know miracle happens.... i.e. selectors can change their mind and go for the untested instead....

Exactly my words :)

[Tokai]

If all the NCL performers were able to play that way in test or ODI, we would have been #1 ranked team. What they do in NCL most of the time has nothing to do with what they do there. All that is mean is that NCL is not working. We need a tougher and better tournament. One thing we can do is to add foreign bowlers in our domestic leagues to improve batsmen.

Until NCL sorts out its problem, there is no point taking its performers seriously. Imrul has a long way to go.

[akabir77]

As Some one mentioned that our weakest link is the opening pair (which i disagree as i think most of the batting order is our weakest link not only openers) can we try to figure out why this has happen instead of trying to solve the problem.

And you r right there were no pair that was given enough time to settle. Mind you the opening slot is the most sensitive one. hence you see people even though they r failing in other country gives enough time to the new openers. Look at Pakistan's opening pair? how many games did they clicked but u don't see new names every tour do you?

Its not only about the current player losing form its also about the one in the pipe line being ready... Yeah some one from the pipe line might do well like SN for a year then they will lose form just like SN as they got the early chances and didn't fix their problem before coming to the real deal and now they r low on confidence and form as even though they have fixed the problem its too late for them. Pressure to make run, pressure from new players and pressure from fans got to them.

So my question is do you want a quick fix which will go may be 1 year or two and then we r back 2 square one or do you want a permanent fix?

As long as we r switching players like musical chair we will be having discussion like this for next twenty years...

[Fazal]

Look at Pakistan's opening pair? how many games did they clicked but u don't see new names every tour do you?
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As long as we r switching players like musical chair we will be having discussion like this for next twenty years...

I think you choose wrong example to prove a point. last few years Pakistan is rotating their openers more than we did. :-D

[Tigers_eye]

Akabir bhai,
change the Pakistan to SL. edit it now. I don't think they have played same two openers three games in a row in the past three/four years.

[Fazal]

Akabir bhai,
change the Pakistan to SL. edit it now. I don't think they have played same two openers three games in a row in the past three/four years.

Its too late.... already engaved in stone, no chance to change.:-D

[akabir77]

so every body agrees that changing openers so often makes the problem big...

BTW i was thinking about that their VC. he has been that good (compare to AS or SA) but they still kept faith on him... butt or bhakt what ever his name is...

[Eshen]

... Yeah some one from the pipe line might do well like SN for a year then they will lose form just like SN as they got the early chances and didn't fix their problem before coming to the real deal and now they r low on confidence and form as even though they have fixed the problem its too late for them. Pressure to make run, pressure from new players and pressure from fans got to them.

So my question is do you want a quick fix which will go may be 1 year or two and then we r back 2 square one or do you want a permanent fix?
My take on the SN issue- he has spent couple of years under McInnes before coming to the national team, he has spent another two good years under Whatmore. We have to either say McInnes and Whatmore are bad coaches who could not help SN to tidy up his footwork or just have to accept that there is no good fix for such problem.

Look at Hashim Amla for example - he has spent good number of years playing for SA U/19 team, domestic teams (he has become leading run scorer in domestic leagues many times), and for A-team. Amla still has a shuffling problem (like Hannan, although he is doing lot better than Hannan) and coaches told him that this weakness of his will never go away, he will just have to live with it (imo, Amla would have been out of the SA team if not for the quota system).

Once again, I think selectors should leave Siddons the choice whether he wants to work with technically faulty players or start with a rookie who probably has mastered his basics well (or let him try both options).

[Gowza]

they do need to stick to the same team every series imo, but the problem atm is that there's a serious issue with the opening batting slots and the only players playing well enough in domestic cricket to take those positions are too young/too inexperienced for international cricket, especially test cricket.

i mean if we were disregarding age and experience i'd be picking a team like this:

imrul kayes or jaharul
junaid
nazimuddin
aftab
ashraful
shakib
rahim or dhiman or pilot (due to current form)
mortaza
rasel
razzak
shahadat

this line-up has a lot of inexperience, probably too much. i think the bowling line-up would be fine in terms of experience but the batting line-up especially in FC cricket hasn't got much experience. however in knowing that there is too much inexperience i think this midle order is a good solid middle order that is worth a try even with this inexperience: nazimuddin, aftab, ashraful and shakib should be permanents imo, i think they can shuffle to keepers around a little bit until they find the right one, as long as rahim, dhiman and pilot are the only ones in the running it won't do too much to the team if they're changed around a little bit (as long as the rest of the batting line-up is kept the same every match). so the openers are obviously the biggest issue, if we have a middle order with that sort of inexperience you'd almost have to go with javed and and another really experienced opener

once the middle order starts performing which would hopefully be withint a couple of years, then they can start looking at a couple of new openers, hopefully by that time players like junaid, jaharul and imrul will still be performing like they currently are.

not that i'd expect a team like this, it wouldn't surprise me if the selectors went with players like habibul bashar, pilot and saleh

[Tigers_eye]

Excellent post Gowza. May be Rajin, Tushar and Mehrab Jr. can help the selectors to curtail the oldies and the too inexperienced ones for the time being.

[Eshen]

An excellent post Gowza, as usual. My realistic expectation is that selectors will go with openers from Sri Lanka tour (JO, SN, Tamim), although there may be a slight chance that Zunaed will be in the ODI team as an extra opener. But I expect Siddons to push for changes from the home series against SA (it will be a terrible mistake for him and us if he decides to stick with Javed Omar for next two years).

[Nocturnal]

very good discussion people. my view-
our senior players JO/SN/Rajin/Tushar/Bashar/Pilot can't score anymore and from our previous experience we can't trust these young rookies Zunaed/Imrul Kayes /Nazimuddin/Mehrab Jr/Sakib/Mushy.
I would go with those rookies, we have nothing to lose in NZ series and hopefully this will be the last major change for next two years under Siddions.

Mate Gowza - I'm really impressed with your knowledge about Bangladesh cricket :)

[Spitfire_x86]

Akabir bhai,
Those who would jump on you lack the intelect of seeing the future. They would want results now, which in reality would never happen. Replacing players oldies with newbies (potential) would not change the result drastically. More over we would be hurting the boys more than we can imagine.

Australia nurtures talent. They become the Husseys. On the other hand, we throw our talent in the wolves den at the tender age of 18/19. Do you want me to name some of them??? The list would go on and on. We destroy their confidence before it can even bloom.
There has been plenty of great cricketers who started their international career very early (and let's not forget how "18-19" most of our cricketers really are). On which basis you say that if we keep away Aftab & co. from playing international cricket for next 2 years they will achieve the level of consistency of a true international star? JO, Mushfiq Babu and countless others just as rubbish today as they were 5 years ago. Can you gurrantee that if we bring back Hannan Sarker will average 30+ in both forms of game with acceptable strike rate in ODIs now that he's spent a long time away from international cricket?

Aussies could keep Hussey from national team because they simply didn't have any vacancy in national team. We can't afford that kind of luxury. There's no logical reason to set a rigid rule of "x" amount of FC games before being eligible to play for national team. Now that our players are rubbish, you can easily blame it on "lack of experience". In recent past I read an article in cricinfo about Kambi where the author pondered why Kambli couldn't become as great as Tendulkar despite starting international career in grand style at home. He thought one of the reasons may be Kambli's lack of early international exposure compared to Tendulkar. When you know a player is successful or not successful, you can say a lot from hindsight.

(PS: This post doesn't have anything to do with the thread topic. On the thread topic, I think he can wait a couple of years while we try to find out a permanent solution from SN, Tamim, Zunaed)

[Sohel]

I agree with Spitfire_x86 on what he had to post, but it is still good to see another much needed batting prospect who can open the innings for Bangladesh at some point in time. From what I've heard recently, Imrul Kayes, always a bright prospect, has become more technically compact this season and managed to edge ahead of Nazmus Sadat in terms of maturity and shot selection. A lover of textbook cricket with an unusual pechant for the longer versions of the sport, he has a good head on those strong shoulders.

He's also ambitious enough to want to debut sooner rather than later riding on solid, "can't-say-no-to" performances in the NCL. He told a national paper that wants to score at least 5 FC and List A tons this season and make a strong case for himself to open the innings for the Tigers. If and when he does, he hopes his close friend Zunaed Siddique would be walking towards the middle with him, and then watch him continue to score at the international level from the non-striker's end.

With Golla, Rajin Saleh, and Hannan Sarkar still as pitifully limited as ever, Tamim Iqbal still in need of correcting his technical flaws with brother Nafees just beginning to get his rhythm back, and Shahriar Nafees batting himself out of contention, guys like Imrul Kayes are likely to get their shot before they're adequately prepared for the highest level with loads of FC experience in their back pockets, as the likes of Mehrab Junior, and Mohammad Nazimuddin will continue vie for the number 3 spot for tests and ODIs respectively.

Having said that, I don't think any of them can do much worse than the dismal batting we've seen of late since those two memorable victories from the ODI World Cup, but we the fans could definitely do with a bit more patience and perspective ... :)

[cricket_king]

i didnt tell him tht he will be next superstar, I just tell tht people start thinking.

What exactly does that mean? Should we start "thinking" of him as the next star? Or are you saying that people are thinking of him as the next star? /:)

[kalpurush]

Emrul bites like a Bhemrul.... Go Kayes Go !!!!

What a time to score two centuries. He picked up the right time to dazzle the new coach... perfect timimg...

some times that is what is needed for a new-kid-in-the-block to get the break..... whether he will make it or break it, we have to wait and see...

But its a great achievement by Kayes considering the fact that most of the national players (batsman) are yet to make a good case to the new coach...

...well said...Boss:)

[kalpurush]

they do need to stick to the same team every series imo, but the problem atm is that there's a serious issue with the opening batting slots and the only players playing well enough in domestic cricket to take those positions are too young/too inexperienced for international cricket, especially test cricket.

i mean if we were disregarding age and experience i'd be picking a team like this:

imrul kayes or jaharul
junaid
nazimuddin
aftab
ashraful
shakib
rahim or dhiman or pilot (due to current form)
mortaza
rasel
razzak
shahadat

this line-up has a lot of inexperience, probably too much. i think the bowling line-up would be fine in terms of experience but the batting line-up especially in FC cricket hasn't got much experience. however in knowing that there is too much inexperience i think this midle order is a good solid middle order that is worth a try even with this inexperience: nazimuddin, aftab, ashraful and shakib should be permanents imo, i think they can shuffle to keepers around a little bit until they find the right one, as long as rahim, dhiman and pilot are the only ones in the running it won't do too much to the team if they're changed around a little bit (as long as the rest of the batting line-up is kept the same every match). so the openers are obviously the biggest issue, if we have a middle order with that sort of inexperience you'd almost have to go with javed and and another really experienced opener

once the middle order starts performing which would hopefully be withint a couple of years, then they can start looking at a couple of new openers, hopefully by that time players like junaid, jaharul and imrul will still be performing like they currently are.

not that i'd expect a team like this, it wouldn't surprise me if the selectors went with players like habibul bashar, pilot and saleh

Excellent and valid...analysis.:)

[Rifat]

how old is this Imrul fellow?

remember, our goal is to keep the same folks and build on a solid team. i wouldn't mind trying him for a couple of international matches... i am quite pleased with his performance so far, and i wish he motivates other openers in NCL because with the heavy schedule next year, who knows if one of our youngstars has a nervous breakdown(no joke intended, it happens when you play 365 days a year in cricket) we could substitute Imrul Kayes.

[Rifat]

i am still not ready to surrender Javed Omor or kapali out of the picture yet...GIVEN THAT THEY PERFORM EXCEPTIONALLY BEFORE HEADING TO NZ. enough said!!!!

[RazabQ]

Here we go again - on a mad dash to bring in "fresh" faces who have had some good performance in our low-level domestic league. I still say that most of the players we have in the national squad are decent enough and any new comer is unlikely to do better. Imrul is definitely a talent who should be given a # of A-tours and what not to get himself better prepared for international cricket.

[Dhakablues]

Please dont destroy Imrul Kayes like players,, let them develop a bit further. If any analogy fails,, think of this..you are asking a 3 year kid to cross Farmgate crossing.. Not only is that ridiculously dangerous but you would question who put that little baby there and ask for their head... thats how I feel when you ask Imrul like players to face Shane Bond, Chris Martin like Monster speed machines..Just think of your 3 year old nephew, would you do this to him? ask him to cross Farmgate crossing? ( okay, that was a bit corny ... :))

[Spitfire_x86]

Please dont destroy Imrul Kayes like players,, let them develop a bit further. If any analogy fails,, think of this..you are asking a 3 year kid to cross Farmgate crossing.. Not only is that ridiculously dangerous but you would question who put that little baby there and ask for their head... thats how I feel when you ask Imrul like players to face Shane Bond, Chris Martin like Monster speed machines..Just think of your 3 year old nephew, would you do this to him? ask him to cross Farmgate crossing? ( okay, that was a bit corny ... :))
Nobody crosses Farmgate crossing nowadays. It's practically impossible with the traffic and all those barbed wires placed on the divider. Farmgate's overbridges are few of the overbridges in Dhaka which are truly being utilized.

A cricketer's cricketing career can be comparable to a farm animal's lifespan. You would expect a 3 year old bull or dog to be quite capable of doing his work.

[zainab]

I completely agree with the above post.

In other countries, players in first class domestic tournaments have to perform very well for a few years before they are even considered, and then they have to perform consistently to keep their place in the national side, consider Australia who is the leader in this practice. They are the No 1 team in the world, because players have to work hard, perform brilliantly in their first class matches for quite a few seasons, then get considered for the National team. Once they are in, they perform well to keep their place, the team does not get rotated, their core players are always playing.

[Ahmed_B]

[বাংলা]ইমরুলকে 'সুপারস্টার' নাম দিতে গিয়ে দেখি ভীমরুলের চাকে ঢিল পড়ার মত অবস্থা!![/বাংলা] :lol:

[Fazal]

true.... century korleyoo dosh... na korleyoo dosh.... pretty demanding crowd here.

[Eshen]

Rabeed Imam's take on Imrul Kayes -


Little was known about Imrul Kayes before this season apart from the fact that he was a doughty opener with ambition. In a Khulna side filled with stars - Habibul Bashar, Tushar Imran and Shakib Al Hasan to name a few - he has managed to hold his own spot. His success so far has come through the simple ploy of offering a straight bat and his footwork against the spinners have been a treat to watch. After making 127 in the first innings of the four-day match and 121 in the one-day match against Sylhet, Kayes is well on track to win a bet against himself - scoring five hundreds in NCL this year and push for a trip to New Zealand.

- Cricinfo (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/story/319117.html)

[Kabir]

Impressed the fans with a few matches eh? How about this? Lets give him the guarantee that he will be selected as our national team opener once he shows that these scores aren't just because of a good season, but because he's a player with confidence and has the ability to take on the challenge for as long as he needs to? How about he shows this by playing 30/40 matches? How about he keeps dominating the list of batsmen, and maintains an average which is not less than 40? As soon as he proves all these, I say that BCB should give him a 2 years contract, with whatever salary he demands.

How about that?

[Kabir]

Rabeed Imam's take on Imrul Kayes -

And the sad part is, along with the fans, our team management also lacks vision. I guess all we can do is watch another rising star just fall off like a comet.

[Fazal]

Rabeed Imam was right about Sakib, I hope he will be right about Emrul.

(as promised) three more century and then..... Emrul for President !!!!!

.... and Rabeed Imam for vice President !!!!!

[FaHiMa]

OKIEEE...THIS IS TOTALLY RANDOM..BUT I HAVE A QUESTI0N..IS THERE ANY GAMES
G0ING 0N IN H0NG K0NG OR S0METHING...CUZ MY MOM WAS READING THE BENGALI NEWSPAPER [T0R0NT0 BASED BENGALI NEWSPAPER] ND IT SAID THAT BD WON AGAINST AUSTRALIA BUT L0ST AGAINST S.A. ...IN H0NG K0NG! ND WE MOVED 0N T0 DE QUARTER FINALZ ...ND PLAYING AGAINST PAKISTAN ...ND THAT GAME IS TUHDAii APPERANTLY...I DUNNOO WHAT`S G0ING 0N!

YEA I JUST WANTED T0 KN0WW! :saint::D

[FaHiMa]

Summonee Answer My Question!! =|

[Omio]

Summonee Answer My Question!! =|
nothing going on thr.

[wrong `un]

It was the Hong Kong Sixes tournament that took place a week back.

[Nocturnal]

Summonee Answer My Question!! =|

Check out this Thread (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=24201&highlight=hong+kong)

[Nafi]

Summonee Answer My Question!! =|

pft what a baby /:)

[MohammedC]

Is he ready to be drafted in to playing eleven for such an important match ?

[mac]

Riad is a half batsman, and Mehrab is not an ODI player. Kayes is the only option left. But baghmama and co. won't change the playing XI i reckon. Roqibul ta jodi thakto!

[auntu]

Is he ready to be drafted in to playing eleven for such an important match ?

Riyad is not fitting in the team. His bowling is below par now a days. He is not getting strokes with bat rather he plays too soft. Which is not suitable with no. 7 now. SO Imrul can play some strokes at that stage.

[auntu]

Is he ready to be drafted in to playing eleven for such an important match ?

Riyad is not fitting in the team. His bowling is below par now a days. He is not getting strokes with bat rather he plays too soft. Which is not suitable with no. 7 now. SO Imrul can play some strokes at that stage.

[mij]

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[Umar]

I have this feeling that Imrul Kayes will make a better Partner with TAMIM IQBAL rather than Zunaid.
maybe coz I've heard about Imrul kayes AlOTTTT more THAN ZUNAID(almost never) when he was not in National team.
PLUS I was tracking Imrul's Performance..and he didn't disappoint much..
Its like Tamim Iqbal. we've heard about him ALOTTTTT even when he wasn't in national team! and was always keen to see how he was performing in whatever matches he was playing in domestic/U19. And Now Alhamdulillah he is doing Good with national team.

[cricket_king]

Riyad is not fitting in the team. His bowling is below par now a days. He is not getting strokes with bat rather he plays too soft. Which is not suitable with no. 7 now. SO Imrul can play some strokes at that stage.

Areyy bhai I agree that Riyad should be gotten rid of. But why play Imrul down there? He's too good a batsman to waste in the lower order. Plus from the scores I've seen he's an excellent opener. I'd rather play him where he's supposed to be played.

[Omio]

Areyy bhai I agree that Riyad should be gotten rid of. But why play Imrul down there? He's too good a batsman to waste in the lower order. Plus from the scores I've seen he's an excellent opener. I'd rather play him where he's supposed to be played.
He can bat num 3 and Mushy should go back to his position.

[auntu]

Areyy bhai I agree that Riyad should be gotten rid of. But why play Imrul down there? He's too good a batsman to waste in the lower order. Plus from the scores I've seen he's an excellent opener. I'd rather play him where he's supposed to be played.

I agree with u 100%. Do u know that He has been selected in the best XI. Riyad is out. But u can't axe any of the present opener. Last match Tamim got out in a good ball. I think for a first match it's a good opportunity for him to bat at 3.

[BANFAN]

He can bat num 3 and Mushy should go back to his position.

Absolutely. I agree. I over rated mushy before. Now I am clear that he needs much more improvement to be up the order. Mushy should just be in 6/7/8. He is not yet ready to be 1-5 in batting order.

I haven't seen Kayes though, just what i hear sounds good, but would like to see.

[abu2abu]

Absolutely. I agree. I over rated mushy before. Now I am clear that he needs much more improvement to be up the order. Mushy should just be in 6/7/8. He is not yet ready to be 1-5 in batting order.

I haven't seen Kayes though, just what i hear sounds good, but would like to see.

I can't agree with this. Riyad should be dropped (possibly) but mushy is a fine batsman and should stay at three.

It's hard enough at the best of times to have a debutant batting at three, it would not be fair to dump imrul in at the deep end. Better to have him take riyad's position in the batting order. We need stability at the top.

[roaring tigerz]

Absolutely. I agree. I over rated mushy before. Now I am clear that he needs much more improvement to be up the order. Mushy should just be in 6/7/8. He is not yet ready to be 1-5 in batting order.

I haven't seen Kayes though, just what i hear sounds good, but would like to see.

we wouldn't have won the 2nd odi without for mushfiq's calming influence. he had also been instrumental in our world cup win against india. but he is not the ideal number 3 when blasting the opposition is the need of the hour. if mushfiq does not bat at 3 he has to come in the top 6. he is most ineffective while batting in the death overs. this has been proved time and again. we need someone with his temperament to bat alongside more aggresive partners and we need him up in the order

[M.H.Rubel]

IMRUL did not do bad in Maharastra he is doing well in DPL 20/20 i want to see him in the match on 23rd and 25th against ZIMBABWE if he can do well in this matches and if ZUNAID fail to do bad or our no 3 fail to do bad then i want to IMRUL in the top list.
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[revolver]

i want imrul to open n junaid at 3 becoz it dont matter if junaid opens or comes 3rd

[auntu]

Yes with this performance in T20 league Imrul can open with Tamim. He has the quality to stay and this recent tourney also proved his stroke making ability.

Wish him success in the up coming series against ZIM.

[Fazal]

hairey Manush....
We make cases why a player should be in ODI or TEST based on T20 performance, specially dudh bhat game like T20. This can actually spoil a young player's career in other form of cricket, un;ess he is capable to adopt (which is not easy).

Guys ....these are completely different type of cricket. Success in one form of game doesn't necessarily relate to other form of cricket. Not everybody is not like Tamim or Sakib.

[Gowza]

if people weren't so hung up on ash then we could open with imrul and bat junaid at 3 in every format. junaid has done better at #3 than opening for tests so it could be worth a try in ODIs.

[Tigers_eye]

if people weren't so hung up on ash then we could open with imrul and bat junaid at 3 in every format. junaid has done better at #3 than opening for tests so it could be worth a try in ODIs.
And Once Nazimuddin is available get him a T20 spot.

[M.H.Rubel]

if people weren't so hung up on ash then we could open with imrul and bat junaid at 3 in every format. junaid has done better at #3 than opening for tests so it could be worth a try in ODIs.

Ash is not in bad form in short version now.he have lots of shots in his hand in ODI.I think Ash would be better choice than Junaid?There is a practice match there IMRUL,JUNAID and Ash can be tested.As ash and IMRUL both r in good form so i would like to start with
1)TAMIM (New beast)
2)IMRUL
3)RAQUIBUL/JUNAID
4)RAQUIBUL/ASH
*Ash in good form in ODI we need to remember it.
It will not be logical to drop him now by Junaid at least.

**First i thought IMRUL as a good test player now i see he is a good ODI player as well.That means he has ability to open the beast.I am happy With IMRUL this guy is improving day by day it seems he is a silent killer? Cool header very talented guy?
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[Ajfar]

he have lots of shots in his hand in ODI.

having shots in his hand doesn't necessarily means he'll score runs. you have to know when to play what, and that's been one of ash's problem since he started playing international cricket and it still is.

[Gowza]

imrul has always had better list A stats than FC stats. as far as ash is concerned all i meant is that he shouldn't be considered a given in the national team, like i said junaid has done better at #3 in tests so if ash isn't performing i don't see why junaid shouldn't be given ago.

also as said, as may have shots, but that doesn't mean he'll score runs. also BD have plenty of shot makers other than ash e.g. tamim, aftab, alok, nazimuddin, mahbubul karim, nazmus sadat, naeem islam. there are plenty who have the shots, consistency is now the issue.

[Nocturnal]

I am not a big fan of IK but really stunned when came to know that in DPL T20 SF he was injured- got 3 stitches - came to bat when his team needed and eventually winning the match! Great commitment showed by the young man. BRAVO!

[Gowza]

I am not a big fan of IK but really stunned when came to know that in DPL T20 SF he was injured- got 3 stitches - came to bat when his team needed and eventually winning the match! Great commitment showed by the young man. BRAVO!

that's the sort of character trait you want a player to have, guts and determination, get knocked down and comeback harder.

[akabir77]

that's the sort of character trait you want a player to have, guts and determination, get knocked down and comeback harder.

and as a reward he was dropped from the NTL selection... Bunch of loosers these selectors...:hairpull:

[M.H.Rubel]

having shots in his hand doesn't necessarily means he'll score runs. you have to know when to play what, and that's been one of ash's problem since he started playing international cricket and it still is.

A test opener with having lot of shots in hand means he is going to be a versatile class opener in all version of matches that i wanted to mean.
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[AsifTheManRahman]

I am not a big fan of IK but really stunned when came to know that in DPL T20 SF he was injured- got 3 stitches - came to bat when his team needed and eventually winning the match! Great commitment showed by the young man. BRAVO!
That's the Abahani spirit. We don't need shooper stars to win games. Lengras, khoras and buiras are enough. Even the losers become winners when they play for Abahani.

[Murad]

Do check Imrul's performance from last year in domestic leagues

He doesn't need Abahani or Mohamedan to do good. He perfoms for any teams.

[Fazal]

This guy has guts, specially the way he came back and played with stitches in his head. This tells me, may be he is one of the few mens among the boys; and these kind of non cricket related aspect tells you how far a player will go with the assuption that he is as talented as the next guy in the national team.

Talent and performance will take you to the door step of the national team. But other things like these give you an impression how much winning and fightback mentality a player have and how far he will go in future.

[Tiger444]

it shows that the guy has heart and has love for the game of cricket..

[M.H.Rubel]

IMRUL got a good chance to prove himself in 2 practice matches againist ZIMBABWE but he have totally failed to prove himself.
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[cricket_king]

...The Imrul lovers got owned. A few good performances in a domestic T20 league doesn't mean you're ready to represent the national team in any form of cricket (with the exception of perhaps T20 as it's so fluky).

[auntu]

Thanks Imrul for proving the selectors decision right.