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Parisa
December 19, 2007, 08:38 AM
I am thinkin of getting a bengali tattoo. This might sound silly to some people but I really love meaningful tattoos and what's better than having it in my mother tongue? So does anyone know where I can get one from? How much it would be cost approximately?

BanCricFan
December 19, 2007, 09:03 AM
Bad idea, sis. Not very good for the skin and a painfull process (also to remove). Henna tatto might be a better alternative.

Strictly speaking, it is also not allowed in Islam.

Kabir
December 19, 2007, 09:05 AM
This might sound silly to some people but I really love meaningful tattoos and what's better than having it in my mother tongue?

Bad idea...absolutely bad idea. Why would you unnecessarily hurt your mother for your simple wish of a tattoo. Choose your own tongue, you selfish creature.

Parisa
December 19, 2007, 09:11 AM
yes yes i know tattoos are not allowed in islam but i cant resist a bengali tattoo......

shaad
December 19, 2007, 11:34 AM
Parisa, many people often change their minds much later about their tattoos and the process of removing them Q-switched lasers or dermabrasion run the risk of leaving permanent scars. You might want to try temporary tattoos (henna, as BanCricFan mentioned, or stencilled airbrush tattoos, which are very realistic), which can give you the same effect without any of the potential long-term consequences. They are less likely to get you in trouble with your family.

You can do a google search for "temporary tattoos" to find several web outlets that will design custom temporary tattoos in any pattern that you want for quite reasonable rates.

Parisa
December 19, 2007, 11:36 AM
Parisa, many people often change their minds much later about their tattoos and the process of removing them Q-switched lasers or dermabrasion run the risk of leaving permanent scars. You might want to try temporary tattoos (henna, as BanCricFan mentioned, or stencilled airbrush tattoos, which are very realistic), which can give you the same effect without any of the potential long-term consequences. They are less likely to get you in trouble with your family.

You can do a google search for "temporary tattoos" to find several web outlets that will design custom temporary tattoos in any pattern that you want for quite reasonable rates.

thank you

Fazal
December 19, 2007, 11:39 AM
Khaisey... what is next?....piercing in not so usual places?

Moshin
December 19, 2007, 12:36 PM
a bengali tattoo, are you sure you can find it around here?

tonoy
December 19, 2007, 01:03 PM
pfft such an attention grabber. If you're itching to get a tattoo, then go get one. Why are you trying to get an approval from random people in the net? I mean what next? green purse or red purse? Who cares! The world is yours to take. Go on, make a decision in which you will regret within 5 minutes.

Parisa
December 19, 2007, 01:35 PM
pfft such an attention grabber. If you're itching to get a tattoo, then go get one. Why are you trying to get an approval from random people in the net? I mean what next? green purse or red purse? Who cares! The world is yours to take. Go on, make a decision in which you will regret within 5 minutes.

tonoy who is pfft?

abdulw11
December 19, 2007, 04:23 PM
No one's pfft, it's just a sort of word, well not really a word. More like a sound, a gentle grunt if you like. It's like when you say tut tut...

Antora
December 19, 2007, 06:34 PM
apu i've always wanted a tatto of the bangladesh flag on my ankle , why ankle.. so my parents cant see it lol. But one of my friends got a tatto and the way she described how much it hurt.... i dont want a tatto anymore, plus i believe its not allowed in islam. So i stick to my hena.. but if you really want a tatto.. i say "GO FOR IT" :)

Parisa
December 19, 2007, 07:20 PM
apu i've always wanted a tatto of the bangladesh flag on my ankle , why ankle.. so my parents cant see it lol. But one of my friends got a tatto and the way she described how much it hurt.... i dont want a tatto anymore, plus i believe its not allowed in islam. So i stick to my hena.. but if you really want a tatto.. i say "GO FOR IT" :)

antora lol ur a sweet picchi! most good things in life hurts but do we stop wanting them? no. yes tattoo hurts a lot and so does piercing but if u have been thinkin about this for a long time then why not do it? and i started this thread to find out where i can get one from and how it would cost approximately not whether or not other peope think i should get one coz i am pretty soon.but thanks a lot antora! xx

Ganguly da
December 19, 2007, 08:00 PM
I have a question.....why do people always bring religion in every thread. Doesn't matter if its about tattoos or chewing gums. Religion is a personal thing, why impose it on others or remind them of the rulebook in case they go on and break it, ridiculous.

Tatoo in bangla is a great idea...may be a famous quote or something that you truly believe in. My gf has a small tattoo of 'om' on her forearm near the wrist on the bottom side, it looks cute.

Parisa
December 19, 2007, 08:03 PM
I have a question.....why do people always bring religion in every thread. Doesn't matter if its about tattoos or chewing gums. Religion is a personal thing, why impose it on others or remind them of the rulebook in case they go on and break it, ridiculous.

Tatoo in bangla is a great idea...may be a famous quote or something that you truly believe in. My gf has a small tattoo of 'om' on her forearm near the wrist on the bottom side, it looks cute.

its true what u said....i was wonderin the same thing....but islam is bangladesh's state religion and most bengalis are strong muslims so even the most non-religious people should respect that. i amm still getting a tattoo regardless of islam because i am not a very religious person and i appreciate that u think getting a tattoo in bangla is a good thing!:flag:

Antora
December 19, 2007, 08:27 PM
but if u have been thinkin about this for a long time then why not do it?

because im too much of a goody-goody i cant be a rebel kid no matter how much i try. lol

zahid
December 19, 2007, 08:38 PM
Fazal bhai and others, I don't want Parisa anymore.

Parisa
December 19, 2007, 08:41 PM
Fazal bhai and others, I don't want Parisa anymore.

u wanted me? i didn't even know.....anyways i'm being me.....

Ajfar
December 19, 2007, 08:58 PM
this thread reminds me of that russel peters jokee...he said "i wanna put 2 elephant ears in my thighs"......

Kabir
December 19, 2007, 10:10 PM
....but islam is bangladesh's state religion

Not true.

and most bengalis are strong muslims

Not true.

so even the most non-religious people should respect that.

May be, not sure what you mean here.

i amm still getting a tattoo regardless of islam

Go for it...nobody has the right to stop you, or should stop you.

because i am not a very religious person

Freedom of choice...once again, go for what you think is right...don't force yourself.

Beamer
December 19, 2007, 10:42 PM
I have a question.....why do people always bring religion in every thread. Doesn't matter if its about tattoos or chewing gums. Religion is a personal thing, why impose it on others or remind them of the rulebook in case they go on and break it, ridiculous.

Tatoo in bangla is a great idea...may be a famous quote or something that you truly believe in. My gf has a small tattoo of 'om' on her forearm near the wrist on the bottom side, it looks cute.

Your hypocrisy is mind numbing.

This is a guy who brings in Dawood as 'hook and bait' in a match thread to fan some fire. Two days later starts his 'honor killing' thread to get more mileage in his hate odometer, now, actually has the nerves to tell people why do they have to bring in religion on everything. Classic !

Murad
December 20, 2007, 02:42 AM
Well said Beamer bro. When he does it, its no problem but when others do it, then he has some problems. Typical.....(..)..

Besides, Antora didn't bring in anything about Islam. She just said what she believes in. She believes in her religion, thus she doesn't get it even though she likes it. I don't see any problem with this. She didn't ask anyone not to have it because Islam has forbidden it. Some people really have some issue when they hear anything about Islam.

tonoy
December 20, 2007, 02:58 AM
down with infidels... I mean I like apple pie.

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 09:31 AM
Not true.



Not true.



May be, not sure what you mean here.



Go for it...nobody has the right to stop you, or should stop you.



Freedom of choice...once again, go for what you think is right...don't force yourself.

so ur sayin islam is not bangladesh's state religion? 88% bengalis are muslims!

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 09:33 AM
down with infidels... I mean I like apple pie.

why are u still in my thread? i'm such an attention seeker then y don't u go speak in some other thread?

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 09:34 AM
Well said Beamer bro. When he does it, its no problem but when others do it, then he has some problems. Typical.....(..)..

Besides, Antora didn't bring in anything about Islam. She just said what she believes in. She believes in her religion, thus she doesn't get it even though she likes it. I don't see any problem with this. She didn't ask anyone not to have it because Islam has forbidden it. Some people really have some issue when they hear anything about Islam.

YO this has gone too far! just calm down and leave ganguly alone! just tell me where i can get a bengali tattoo if u know and then just leave this thread.

Fazal
December 20, 2007, 09:58 AM
YO this has gone too far! just calm down and leave ganguly alone! just tell me where i can get a bengali tattoo if u know and then just leave this thread.


Why don't you google instead of asking here? Do you think we are experts in tattoo related issues?

Anyway here is one of source for you that I found within a min. googling...

"In Bangalore, Bramha tattoo studio (in Brigade Road) its the best place to get safe tattoo done its a clean and hygenic place,the artist name is GIRISH (http://wikitravel.org/en/Bangalore),".

You can contact him through phone.I am pretty sure he can do bangla/hindi/urdu/Chinnese whatever language you want. You have to show him what you want and where you want it. If you want, I guess he can also do a Dada's face or Mashree's face or Taposh's face or even Rafiq's face if you can provide a picture.

Good luck with you tattoo adventure... and don't forget to post your new tattoo (if you have one), beacuse its us who hooked you up with the source.

Fazal
December 20, 2007, 10:01 AM
Fazal bhai and others, I don't want Parisa anymore.


Babu...
akhon Keno Kabu?

Porecho Parisar Hatee
Khana Khete Hobey Shatey

Be prepared to have a tattoo in your pacha.

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 10:02 AM
Why don't you google instead of asking here? Do you think we are experts in tattoo related issues?

Anyway here is one of source for you that I found within a min. googling...

"In Bangalore, Bramha tattoo studio (in Brigade Road) its the best place to get safe tattoo done its a clean and hygenic place,the artist name is GIRISH (http://wikitravel.org/en/Bangalore),".

You can contact him thruough phone.I am pretty sure he can do bangla/hindi/urdu/Chinnese whatever language you want. You have show him what you want and where you want it. If you want I guess he can also do a Dada's face or Mashree's face or Taposh's face or even Rafiq's face if you can provide a picture.

Good luck with you tattoo adventure... and don't forget to post your new tattoo (if you have one), beacuse its us who hooked up with the source.

AAHHHH at last some nice post! thankyou fazal.....i asked here because i asked my friends and they dont know even though i know u guys r not tatttoo specialists. not to show myself off. but thank you again.

Fazal
December 20, 2007, 10:08 AM
AAHHHH at last some nice post! thankyou fazal.....i asked here because i asked my friends and they dont know even though i know u guys r u tatttoo specialists. not to show myself off. but thank you again.

Khaisee.... Don't take my source seriously... it was meant to be a joke. Don't do anything that you may regret later... take your time.... and take advice from people that you know and trust.... not in the internet people you don;t know... specially stay away 10 feet when taking advice specailly lafanga like me.

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 10:10 AM
Khaisee.... Don't take my source seriously... it was meant to be a joke. Don't do anything that you may regret later... take your time.... and take advice from people that you know and trust.... not in the internet people you don;t know... specially stay away 10 feet when taking advice specailly lafanga like me.

damn you then lol:lol:

Tigers_eye
December 20, 2007, 10:12 AM
I have a question.....why do people always bring religion in every thread. Doesn't matter if its about tattoos or chewing gums. Religion is a personal thing, why impose it on others or remind them of the rulebook in case they go on and break it, ridiculous.

Tatoo in bangla is a great idea...may be a famous quote or something that you truly believe in. My gf has a small tattoo of 'om' on her forearm near the wrist on the bottom side, it looks cute.
because we are told to remind what religion says of any subject. Especially bad deeds. If we don't we would have to share the responsibility (not a personal thing in Islam).

No one is imposing on others here. How can one impose his/her thoughts on others online? Didn't your parents ask you not to touch fire? why? You may get burt that is why. Similarly we try to protect someone if he/she is a muslim. We are just conveying a message. Not imposing rules. It is the person's choice whether to follow the rules or not. Islam does give freedom of choice and has the consequence to face.

Hope this would clear the misconception.

rubel_18
December 20, 2007, 12:37 PM
Come on guys stop talking like that its inappropriate Beamer bhai wat u just sed, plz nxt time just ignore a thread if u r gonna reply like that. I am not demanding this I am just requesting u guys to stop this otherwise the standard of these forums will go down if it continues

akabir77
December 20, 2007, 01:04 PM
I have a question.....why do people always bring religion in every thread. Doesn't matter if its about tattoos or chewing gums. Religion is a personal thing, why impose it on others or remind them of the rulebook in case they go on and break it, ridiculous.

Tatoo in bangla is a great idea...may be a famous quote or something that you truly believe in. My gf has a small tattoo of 'om' on her forearm near the wrist on the bottom side, it looks cute.

Please Islam is a way of life. Its not some rules you follow the ones you like. Please refrain from saying something that you don't know in future.

Thanks

Kabir
December 20, 2007, 01:08 PM
so ur sayin islam is not bangladesh's state religion? 88% bengalis are muslims u [...]

Sorry to be rude Parisa, but did you ever bother to know your country a little better?

Bangladesh is a secular country, by constitution. Go check! It's time well spent.

Miraz
December 20, 2007, 01:14 PM
Sorry to be rude Parisa, but did you ever bother to know your country a little better?

Bangladesh is a secular country, by constitution. Go check! It's time well spent

Errr.. which constitution you are talking about?

Last time I checked, Islam is the state religion of Bangladesh. Bangladesh was a secular country according to 1972 constitution, but after the VIIIth amendment made in 1988, Bangladesh has lost that status.

Moshin
December 20, 2007, 01:18 PM
so ur sayin islam is not bangladesh's state religion? 88% bengalis are muslims!
I have to agree with parisa, the state religion of Bangladesh is Islam,
but is allows others to practice thier religion in harmony.
Part of the constitution of Bangladesh.

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 01:20 PM
kabir if its anyone who doesn't know about bangladsh its u...u said jessore is not a district.....now u say islam is not bangladsh's state religion...

Moshin
December 20, 2007, 01:22 PM
before anyone says islam doesnt permit people
to put tattoos on, do they have any sufficient proof
from the qur'an or any religious belief?

Moshin
December 20, 2007, 01:24 PM
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These are the quotes from the constitution of Bangladesh: http://www.pmo.gov.bd/constitution/index.htm

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 01:24 PM
moshin ur right islam doesn't allow tattoos...but can u plz not start another debate about islam here? this thread asks whether anyone knows where to get a bengali tattoo not whether or not tattoos are allowed in islam...cheers

Kabir
December 20, 2007, 01:29 PM
kabir if its anyone who doesn't know about bangladsh its u...u said jessore is not a district.....now u say islam is not bangladsh's state religion...what is wrong with you?

I accept my two mistakes.

1. Stating that Bangladesh is a secular state by constitution. I can't believe I knew it wrong for so long...but better late than never.

2. Participating in your useless thread. I should've realized that it's not worth spending the time around here...a waste of my valuable time that I should rather be spending for doing my research.

Thank you, and enjoy your stay.

Request: Please control showing your temper here. People really don't give a damn. Just makes you look bad rather.

Moshin
December 20, 2007, 01:30 PM
I dont know why but religion really does come into
account of everything in these threads, really strange.

Kabir
December 20, 2007, 01:31 PM
Errr.. which constitution you are talking about?

Last time I checked, Islam is the state religion of Bangladesh. Bangladesh was a secular country according to 1972 constitution, but after the VIIIth amendment made in 1988, Bangladesh has lost that status.

I was under the wrong impression. I thought that was one of the changes made by President Zia. And that should have taken place before '82 or something.

Anyway, thanks for correcting me.

Moshin
December 20, 2007, 01:40 PM
1. Stating that Bangladesh is a secular state by constitution. I can't believe I knew it wrong for so long...but better late than never.
Did you know the only secular country in the muslim world is only Turkey,
its got full secularism in the constitution, and other countries like
Pakistan or Bangladesh, they have few secular rules.

Moshin
December 20, 2007, 01:41 PM
Parisa r u sure you can get a bengali tatoo in london
i never seen such a shop that gives bengali tatoos?

Fazal
December 20, 2007, 01:45 PM
Parisa r u sure you can get a bengali tatoo in london
i never seen such a shop that gives bengali tatoos?


Why not? They are (kind of) artist. Show them what you want, and they will do that.

Moshin
December 20, 2007, 01:47 PM
what type of pattern do you want?
something of bangladesh?

ammark
December 20, 2007, 02:56 PM
moshin ur right islam doesn't allow tattoos...but can u plz not start another debate about islam here? this thread asks whether anyone knows where to get a bengali tattoo not whether or not tattoos are allowed in islam...cheers

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=526064&#post526064

Hatebreed
December 20, 2007, 03:09 PM
Parisa, getting a tattoo is a huge commitment. Not only it is a painful process, it is parmanent. Don't get something you might regret later. You might think it's cool and meaningful now, but lose interest in it later. If you really want to get it done, give yourself a waiting period, like 2-3 months to see if you still have any interest in getting one, or get a temporary one that is less damaging. I'm not trying to stop you, but telling you to think it through.

That said, I don't know any Bengali tattoo shop. A good non-Bengali tattoist may be able to do it if you have the design, but I wouldn't recommend it. Good luck.

al Furqaan
December 20, 2007, 03:18 PM
I have a question.....why do people always bring religion in every thread. Doesn't matter if its about tattoos or chewing gums. Religion is a personal thing, why impose it on others or remind them of the rulebook in case they go on and break it, ridiculous.

Tatoo in bangla is a great idea...may be a famous quote or something that you truly believe in. My gf has a small tattoo of 'om' on her forearm near the wrist on the bottom side, it looks cute.

1) depends on how u look at it. personally, religion is the only thing preventing me from getting a 2pac style "F*** the world" tattoo in place where little children could see it.

2) what does it matter? when was the last time a muslim asked you "why hindus don't eat beef; a 99 cent double cheeseburger from McDonald's is outta this world."

3) did you ask your girlfriend why she has a tattoo of om on her arm and not your name?

al Furqaan
December 20, 2007, 03:20 PM
Parisa,

there are other "secular reasons" to not get a tattoo.

can be sure that the needles and pipes and other equipment are sterilized? if they are not autoclaved, then you run the risk of getting diseases such as hepatitis or possibly even HIV - which will cause AIDS.

is the risk worth the "cool factor"?

not to mention you would dissappoint your parents and family.

BD-Shardul
December 20, 2007, 04:20 PM
Islam was declared the state religion of Bangladesh during the reign of Hussein Mohammad Ershad.

Zunaid
December 20, 2007, 04:39 PM
Islam was declared the state religion of Bangladesh during the reign of Hussein Mohammad Ershad.

Correct. It was the 8th amendment in 1988. One change (to article 100) was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court but not the declaration of Islam as the state religion.

Note that there are many secular countries which lists one religion as "official religion". X being the official religion is different from saying Y is an X-ist country.

Note the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state-established_religions

shaad
December 20, 2007, 05:06 PM
Correct. It was the 8th amendment in 1988. One change (to article 100) was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court but not the declaration of Islam as the state religion.

Note that there are many secular countries which lists one religion as "official religion". X being the official religion is different from saying Y is an X-ist country.

Note the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state-established_religions

True, but it's worth mentioning that Article 12 of our Constitution, Secularism and Freedom of Religion, was taken out in 1977 by the Proclamations Order No. 1. This, of course, was the same proclamation order that revised Clause 1 to further (IMO) neuter secularism in Article 8, Fundamental Principles. Needless to say, I am not the greatest fan of Proclamations Order No. 1.

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 05:09 PM
here we ago....another big debate about everything else beside the topic on this thread.

Zunaid
December 20, 2007, 05:12 PM
here we ago....another big debate about everything else beside the topic on this thread.

May I suggest tattooing the entire constitution? There, that brings everything back on topic.

- as myself

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 05:14 PM
May I suggest tattooing the entire constitution? There, that brings everything back on topic.

- as myself

arguments arguments arguments......AAAAARRRGHHHHHHHHHHH...ami ekhan theke baghchi...

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 05:19 PM
but before i leave my own thread i jus wanna ask shaad a simple question which i hope does not lead to another big debate...shaad do u study obstetrics and gynaecology?...i am aware that this has got nothing to do with this thread

shaad
December 20, 2007, 05:25 PM
Parisa, trust me, this isn't an argument. Long long ago, in a newsgroup called scb, there were arguments.

Zunaid, haven't seen the (US) Constitution tattooed, but I have encountered both the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights tattooed on different (ahem!) canvases. So I'd be surprised if it hasn't been done. Of course, given past history, if Parisa does tattoo it, she'll have to change it every ten years or so for the new amendments and proclamations, na?

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 05:27 PM
Parisa, trust me, this isn't an argument. Long long ago, in a newsgroup called scb, there were arguments.

Zunaid, haven't seen the (US) Constitution tattooed, but I have encountered both the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights tattooed on different (ahem!) canvases. So I'd be surprised if it hasn't been done. Of course, given past history, if Parisa does tattoo it, she'll have to change it every ten years or so for the new amendments and proclamations, na?

would u kindly answer my question shaad?

Antora
December 20, 2007, 05:29 PM
holy whats happening in here.. soo many debates... lol kinda funny actually !

shaad
December 20, 2007, 05:31 PM
but before i leave my own thread i jus wanna ask shaad a simple question which i hope does not lead to another big debate...shaad do u study obstetrics and gynaecology?...i am aware that this has got nothing to do with this thread

Parisa, no, I am a geneticist/molecular biologist/developmental biologist who currently studies the genetic program underlying the formation and development of the heart, although my original PhD focussed on certain aspects of sexual determination and differentiation.

I am curious, though. Why?

akabir77
December 20, 2007, 05:33 PM
FROM MASH TO ASH NOW ends up with SAAD?

lol

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 05:35 PM
Parisa, no, I am a geneticist/molecular biologist/developmental biologist who currently studies the genetic program underlying the formation and development of the heart, although my original PhD focussed on certain aspects of sexual determination and differentiation.

I am curious, though. Why?

well i just thought u studied medicine and wanted to know if u specialised in women's health...my mum's a gynaecologist

Antora
December 20, 2007, 05:40 PM
Parisa apu just keep in mind one thing.
when you get a tatto make sure its not that visible.. knowing how judgemental the Bangladeshi community is most of the Aunties in particular are likely to say " dekho dekho meta noshto hoy gechey" I have heard many people say these things. so other wise its a free world, do what ever you want.. you only get one life so live it the way you want! :)

Nocturnal
December 20, 2007, 05:42 PM
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Moshin
December 20, 2007, 06:16 PM
boh banglacricket could be so funny sometimes...
parisa opens a thread about tattoos, people
say no no u shouldnt do it, the next thing people talk
about religion and everything, the next thing people
start to talk about the 'constitution of bangladesh'
....from tatoos to the constitution of bangladesh...
yes the the 'constitution of bangladesh!!!'.....
now that is crazy and funny.... i say goodbye from this thread
too much tension around here. Hilarious man!

zahid
December 20, 2007, 06:54 PM
Babu...
akhon Keno Kabu?

Porecho Parisar Hatee
Khana Khete Hobey Shatey

Be prepared to have a tattoo in your pacha.

Hay hay amar ekhon ki hobey Fazal mamu :-D

zahid
December 20, 2007, 06:55 PM
Parisa asked us if she should get a Tattoo

....

We told her not to do so

...

She still wants to do it DESPITE what we have told her

...

We are now telling her DO AS YOU WISH.


:lol:

Parisa
December 20, 2007, 06:59 PM
zahid dada i don't know if u bothered to read this thread from the beginnin but its obvious u havent coz i didn't ask IF I SHOULD GET A TATTOO.INSTEAD I ASKED WHERE I CAN GET ONE FROM AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY.

RazabQ
December 20, 2007, 07:08 PM
parisa, mohsin et al, you guys are new ... FC has some great threads which have meandered all over the place. Think of these as the a upgraded version of ye olde, coffee house [বাংলা]আড্ডা[/বাংলা] or [বাংলা]চায়ের আসর[/বাংলা]

RazabQ
December 20, 2007, 07:09 PM
As myself. Zahid ... u been served!

zahid
December 20, 2007, 08:57 PM
I am thinkin of getting a bengali tattoo.

i.e. Unsurity

It's like customers who walk into our store and say I am thinking of buying the Stuffed Turkey. We then tell them - yes, get that or no, that's not suitable for your needs etc.

Ganguly da
December 20, 2007, 10:35 PM
boh banglacricket could be so funny sometimes...
parisa opens a thread about tattoos, people
say no no u shouldnt do it, the next thing people talk
about religion and everything, the next thing people
start to talk about the 'constitution of bangladesh'
....from tatoos to the constitution of bangladesh...
now that is crazy and funny.... i say bye-bye from this thread
too much tension around here.

you're the funniest poster on BC, hands down. The way you simply post your thoughts regardless of how it portrays on yourself is simply amazing.

ps: Parisa your threads are becoming extremely popular...you're a BC celebrity now.

Moshin
December 21, 2007, 07:32 AM
...before i go parisa i found a website which
locates tattoo studios in London, hope its helpful enough (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/london/london/):
http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/gfx/arrow.gif Tattoo Studios in London

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These tattoo studios are located in London
Diamond Jacks (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/london/london/1845576.html)The following tattoo studios are the ones that we have found closest to London

Henna Body Art Natural Henna Tattoos (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/middlesex/wembley/763958.html)
Ouch Tattoo (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/middlesex/brentford/1187927.html)
Laserase (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/surrey/thornton-heath/957938.html)
Look Alike (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/essex/ilford/996321.html)
No 1 Tattooing (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/middlesex/edgware/1153924.html)
Rock-It Tattoos (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/middlesex/edgware/1363786.html)
Custom Tattoo & Piercing Studio (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/surrey/kingston-upon-thames/422547.html)
Station Zig Zag (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/surrey/kingston-upon-thames/1512800.html)

http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/gfx/arrow.gif Tattoo Studios in towns near London


Tattoo Studios in Mitcham (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/surrey/mitcham/)
Tattoo Studios in Wembley (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/middlesex/wembley/)
Tattoo Studios in Brentford (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/middlesex/brentford/)
Tattoo Studios in Thornton Heath (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/surrey/thornton-heath/)
Tattoo Studios in Richmond (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/surrey/richmond/)
Tattoo Studios in Beckenham (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/kent/beckenham/)
Tattoo Studios in Morden (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/surrey/morden/)
Tattoo Studios in Edgware (http://www.tattoo-studios.co.uk/middlesex/edgware/)

Moshin
December 21, 2007, 07:39 AM
do you live around east london like bethnal green or east ham,
because these places look very far from east london?

Parisa
December 21, 2007, 07:41 AM
do you live around east london like bethnal green or east ham,
because these places look very far from east london?

near stratford

Moshin
December 21, 2007, 07:44 AM
are you really getting a tattoo then?
they look quite expensive lol.

Tattoo Prices (Terrapin)

All our tattoos are individually priced depending on design, size and placement.
The minimum price for any tattoo is £25; most larger tattoos are charged per hour.
We specialise in custom designs. Our resident tattoist can create a completely individual work of art based on your own interests and research or on a single idea alone. Most custom work is priced at £60 per hour

Parisa
December 21, 2007, 07:47 AM
well i wanna get it soon....parisa written in bangla on my arm.....so gonna start savin up...thanks for ur help....atleast now this thread wasn't wasted.....

Moshin
December 21, 2007, 07:49 AM
wow thats nice init, your name in bangla,
i was wondering if i should get my name in bengali...
no..no but no...my family will just kill me if i did!

Parisa
December 21, 2007, 07:55 AM
well the tattoo is gonna be in my language....not a pointless meaningless tattoo.....so thats a good thing........

Fazal
December 21, 2007, 12:06 PM
Have you considered buying a tattoo instead?

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010618/nat3.gif
A boy atop his 'tattoo' braves the incessant downpour in Kolkata

Nadim
January 13, 2011, 03:45 PM
sorry for my lack of knowledge about this matter but just wodering, is getting tattor any part of ur body is haram or not. If not then i will get one tomorrow on my neck.

So pls reply if u know. thanks
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roman
January 13, 2011, 04:04 PM
Based on my little knowledge on Islam, I think it is Haram becasue it is like changing the creation of Allah. I could be wrong but Allah knows best

Nafi
January 13, 2011, 04:09 PM
No there is no Quranic evidence that it is forbidden or even discouraged. Ottoman janissaries and Saracen mameluke soldiers had tatoos throughout history.

Hardlined Sunnis though would believe otherwise.

And as a note Just because its not haraam, doesn't make it a good idea. Do your research, do you really want to live with it for the rest of your life and lastly, have it somewhere, where its easily hidden. And do not get something excessive or for a reason to boast arrogance (''looking cool''). Remember lofty arrogance is not looked well upon in Islam

[31:18/19] "And twist not your cheek in scorn towards folk, nor walk haughtily (or insolently) in the land; verily, Allah loves not any arrogant boaster:

Since you're so young, I would say dont get it, for the sake of common sense, Islam uphold's common sense and logic. How old are you nadim seriously? I am 19, and even I dont think I'm mature enough to make such a decision.

I think it is Haram becasue it is like changing the creation of Allah.

By that logic, circumcision would be forbidden.

Dilscoop
January 13, 2011, 06:50 PM
WaiwaiwaiwaiwaiTT.... Wait! I don't know the ans but on your neck? I'd would hate to drop the G-bomb on you.

sbsash
January 13, 2011, 08:08 PM
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/20283

I suggest you don't get the tattoo, regardless of whether it's haram or not. I personally hate tattoos, and like Nafi said, do you really want to live with it for the rest of your life?

Purbasha T
January 13, 2011, 09:10 PM
Erm, as far as I know, you're not supposed to cause yourself pain unless necessary.

"And make not your own hands contribute to your destruction." - [Al Qur'an Surah Al-Baqara : 195]

People interpret this verse as to say that tatto comes under the category of oneself's own destruction, and I agree with them.

Also what's your motive behind getting a tattoo? Is that Islamic? Plus is it really necessary? You'd know better. ;)

And if you go for it regardless, make sure you know the risks and complications of getting rid of them etc etc.

And I'm glad that you asked the question, Nadim; shows that you care about Islam. :)

Night_wolf
January 13, 2011, 09:22 PM
AFAIK its haram

Ajfar
January 13, 2011, 09:45 PM
Neck? Nadim. oh come on that's for girls. Be a man.

Zeeshan
January 13, 2011, 10:11 PM
Got five tattoos on my body. I am still alive.

Just curious nads, is it your avatar or sth. to do with tigers' logo?

Zunaid
January 13, 2011, 10:24 PM
Got five tattoos on my body. I am still alive.

Just curious nads, is it your avatar or sth. to do with tigers' logo?

It's from CafePress - some enterprising guy has created bunches of logos for various sports, teams and countries.

I don't wanna put the link here and have that dude make more money. :)

If you care, look for designs from Admin_CP687483

Examples:

http://images2.cpcache.com/product/135049062v8_480x480_Front_Color-CloudWhite.jpg

Zunaid
January 13, 2011, 10:26 PM
PS. I was curious to see the membership status of much of the original posters of this thread. Perhaps - y'all should be careful. It's like the curse of Tutankhamen.

Zeeshan
January 13, 2011, 10:31 PM
Doc I miswrote. What I meant was what was Nadim trying to get as the tattoo.... :)

Zunaid
January 13, 2011, 10:34 PM
Doc I miswrote. What I meant was what was Nadim trying to get as the tattoo.... :)

Maybe I misread. Knowing the kid, he prolly wants the word Nadstar decorated with little hearts and flowers for his tattoo.

Dilscoop
January 13, 2011, 11:33 PM
Arabic/Hindi prints are very popular now. I've been thinking/creating one for myself since I was in 10th-11th grade. I told myself I will get one by 25. It will be a mixture of American flag and Bdesh map, with redish (tattoo red) stripe and 1 big and few small stars. And then recently I thought about putting those Arabic prints and designs I saw in Quran pages.

I add on as I go on.

Rabz
January 14, 2011, 05:18 AM
টাট্টু ঘোড়া পারলো ডিম
শিয়াল দিল তা,
দুদিন পরে বের হল এক
কানা বগির ছা !!

বাহ বাহ বাহ
কি মজা !!

Acura_tl88
January 14, 2011, 08:49 AM
If having tattoo is haram, then it should also be haram living in western countries. i have a tatto on my neck, and i am not a school dropout, matter of fact i am in my last year of university.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8571/78324873.jpg

BanCricFan
January 14, 2011, 09:30 AM
If having tattoo is haram, then it should also be haram living in western countries. i have a tatto on my neck, and i am not a school dropout, matter of fact i am in my last year of university.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8571/78324873.jpg

Incredible logic! You must be studying Logic at the uni- right?

BanCricFan
January 14, 2011, 10:16 AM
No there is no Quranic evidence that it is forbidden or even discouraged. Ottoman janissaries and Saracen mameluke soldiers had tatoos throughout history.

Hardlined Sunnis though would believe otherwise.



Nafi,

Please learn to be humble and modest. Passing up opinions/fatwa on Halal and Haram (religious verdicts) is not a child's play. It directly concerns someone's condition in this life and ,most importantly, the next i.e Aakhirah. Please try to get this into your head. Dont be so trigger happy.

You're still a kid. Learn to humble yourself. Sorry for being so blunt but someone has to be for your own good and others,too. If you are so interested in delivering religious opinions or Fatwa then go on study Islamic Law or Jurisprudence and become a qualified Jurist or a Mufti. We will be most happy for you and will thank you as this community needs brilliant theologians and jurists. Until then keep your ego in check, humble your self, immerse yourself in the seeking of knowledge and FEAR ALLAH. Imam Malik Ibn Anas -one of the most brilliant minds this world has ever seen- when asked for religious opinions on 40 matters only answered about 3 or 4 and for the rest the Imam said, "I don't know". Surely, you and I can say "I don't know" without any problem- no?

Btw, who are these "Hardlined Sunnis"?? And what are you??

roman
January 14, 2011, 10:24 AM
Nafi,

Please learn to be humble and modest. Passing up opinions/fatwa on Halal and Haram (religious verdicts) is not a child's play. It directly concerns someone's condition in this life and ,most importantly, the next i.e Aakhirah. Please try to get this into your head. Dont be so trigger happy.

You're still a kid. Learn to humble yourself. Sorry for being so blunt but someone has to be for your own good and others,too. If you are so interested in delivering religious opinions or Fatwa then go on study Islamic Law or Jurisprudence and become a qualified Jurist or a Mufti. We will be most happy for you and will thank you as this community needs brilliant theologians and jurists. Until then keep your ego in check, humble your self, immerse yourself in the seeking of knowledge and FEAR ALLAH. Imam Malik Ibn Anas -one of the most brilliant minds this world has ever seen- when asked for religious opinions on 40 matters only answered about 3 or 4 and for the rest the Imam said, "I don't know". Surely, you and I can say "I don't know" without any problem- no?

Btw, who are these "Hardlined Sunnis"?? And what are you??

Mashallah Brother, that was an excellent post

BanCricFan
January 14, 2011, 10:29 AM
Jazak Allah, brother.

Night_wolf
January 14, 2011, 10:35 AM
Nafi,

Please learn to be humble and modest. Passing up opinions/fatwa on Halal and Haram (religious verdicts) is not a child's play. It directly concerns someone's condition in this life and ,most importantly, the next i.e Aakhirah. Please try to get this into your head. Dont be so trigger happy.

You're still a kid. Learn to humble yourself. Sorry for being so blunt but someone has to be for your own good and others,too. If you are so interested in delivering religious opinions or Fatwa then go on study Islamic Law or Jurisprudence and become a qualified Jurist or a Mufti. We will be most happy for you and will thank you as this community needs brilliant theologians and jurists. Until then keep your ego in check, humble your self, immerse yourself in the seeking of knowledge and FEAR ALLAH. Imam Malik Ibn Anas -one of the most brilliant minds this world has ever seen- when asked for religious opinions on 40 matters only answered about 3 or 4 and for the rest the Imam said, "I don't know". Surely, you and I can say "I don't know" without any problem- no?

Btw, who are these "Hardlined Sunnis"?? And what are you??

excellent post bhaia..i learned a lot today..thank u:)

Kabir
January 14, 2011, 10:38 AM
You're still a kid. Learn to humble yourself. Sorry for being so blunt but someone has to be for your own good and others,too.

Agree

If you are so interested in delivering religious opinions or Fatwa then go on study Islamic Law or Jurisprudence and become a qualified Jurist or a Mufti.

In his defense, the question he's responding to is posed in a forum where you're not expected to be an Islamic scholar. But I know where you're coming from.

Ajfar
January 14, 2011, 10:39 AM
If having tattoo is haram, then it should also be haram living in western countries. i have a tatto on my neck, and i am not a school dropout, matter of fact i am in my last year of university.


dude you make no sense what so ever? What does getting a tattoo have to do with dropping out of school or living in western countries?
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Kabir
January 14, 2011, 10:40 AM
If having tattoo is haram, then it should also be haram living in western countries.

Incredible logic! You must be studying Logic at the uni- right?

Ditto - and I sure hope it's not one of the universities that I've been to! :(

BanCricFan
January 14, 2011, 11:11 AM
Agree



In his defense, the question he's responding to is posed in a forum where you're not expected to be an Islamic scholar. But I know where you're coming from.

Yes, but its the tone and the finality of his e-opinions on legal religious matters really worries, bothers and alarms me the most. I have tried to convey to Nafi on so many occassions that he really needs to be careful when discussing legal (Shar'i) matters. I have never meant to discourage the youngster.

But being confident and forthright is one thing and not knowing one's limitation or jurisdiction is another. Thats why the sense of humility is so precious in all walks of life. Otherwise, its all so easy to lose the plot all together.

Aahiyan
January 14, 2011, 11:24 AM
Waste of money.

Nafi
January 14, 2011, 11:25 AM
This is why I should just stick to giving advice on dating girls, and not Islamic law.

At least on the former, I know guys like BanCricfan won't try to argue :lol:

ialbd
January 14, 2011, 12:31 PM
This is why I should just stick to giving advice on dating girls, and not Islamic law.

At least on the former, I know guys like BanCricfan won't try to argue :lol:

Didnt want to be a part of this, but had to say, considering this is your response to BanCricFan bhai's comment, where does that put your original fatwa/advice to Nadim?

you are just 20 (is it?) Nafi, and it already impresses me how much you know and research on Islamic topics (mashAllah), but I couldnt agree more with BanCricFan bhai. There are just so much more to learn (sooo much more).... and you have to be patient and humble on your quest.

InshAllah Allah will guide us all in the right path...

Nafi
January 14, 2011, 03:39 PM
Didnt want to be a part of this, but had to say, considering this is your response to BanCricFan bhai's comment, where does that put your original fatwa/advice to Nadim?
.

I should have said 'there is no specific mentioning of tattoos in the Quran', which is what I really meant.

Dilscoop
January 14, 2011, 04:28 PM
Back to Nadim. Don't get it on your neck brah.

Zunaid
January 15, 2011, 01:46 AM
Back to Nadim. Don't get it on your neck brah.

Is that your Fatwa then?

Dilscoop
January 15, 2011, 08:51 PM
Notice: I didn't say "back to Nadim's QUESTION" ;)

I tried to stay away from the religious part, because I hardly have any clue on it.

Murad
January 15, 2011, 08:53 PM
Why is it haram in Islam?

Dilscoop
January 15, 2011, 09:25 PM
I wanna say it's because when a Muslim dies they are suppose to be buried with nothing but a white sheet wrapped around them(?) A tattoo is kinda breaking rule? You will just be putting your family through extra work, as they will have to look for a laser dude who is willing to remove tattoo from a deadman's neck or where ever

Rifat
January 15, 2011, 09:36 PM
The real reason why anything is forbidden in Islam is because Allah has forbidden it for us. he who has complete dominion over all affairs in existance has more knowledge than you or me with regards to why something may be forbidden for us.

Anything Allahs messenger(SallAllahu A'laihe wasallam) has forbidden is a dirct command from Allah!
This is my rationale, and this is my belief!

Kabir
January 15, 2011, 11:36 PM
Anything Allahs messenger(SallAllahu A'laihe wasallam) has forbidden is a dirct command from Allah!

I don't want to jump the gun...but I what you just said doesn't add up. How can the Prophet's words be directly from Allah? Can you explain?

AsifTheManRahman
January 16, 2011, 09:31 AM
Why must every discussion turn into a religious one? Why can't people just be happy with their own beliefs and keep them to themselves? If the TO was looking for religious advice, she'd ask for it in the OP.
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Zunaid
January 16, 2011, 09:41 AM
It is absolutely not forbidden by the Rastafari movement.

Rifat
January 16, 2011, 12:03 PM
I don't want to jump the gun...but I what you just said doesn't add up. How can the Prophet's words be directly from Allah? Can you explain?

I do not have to explain. Allah will explain it to you through Al-Quran :):

well, here goes!

مَّن يُطِعِ ٱلرَّسُولَ فَقَدۡ أَطَاعَ ٱللَّهَ‌ۖ وَمَن تَوَلَّىٰ فَمَآ أَرۡسَلۡنَـٰكَ عَلَيۡهِمۡ حَفِيظً۬ا (٨٠)

He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.

(Surah Nisa, Ayah 80; Chapter 4, Verse 80)



مَا ضَلَّ صَاحِبُكُمۡ وَمَا غَوَىٰ (٢) وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ ٱلۡهَوَىٰٓ (٣) إِنۡ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحۡىٌ۬ يُوحَىٰ (٤)


Your comrade(Mohammad(SallAllahu A'laihe wasallam) erreth not, nor is deceived; (2) Nor doth he speak of (his own) desire. (3) It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired, (4)

(Surah Najm, Ayah 2-4, chapter 53, 2-4)


يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ حَسۡبُكَ ٱللَّهُ وَمَنِ ٱتَّبَعَكَ مِنَ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ (٦٤)

O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Allâh is Sufficient for you and for the believers who follow you. (64)

Surha Anfal, Ayah 64(Chapter 8, Verse 64)
Courtesy: Sahih-international translation/Quran-explorer translation


note: Kabir bhai, I would advise you to read surah an-Najm(Chapter 53 of al-quran)- at least the first 18 verses, it is explained very clearly therein :)

Also, I am accountable in front of Allah if i propagate any misiformation to anyone! so I ask for his forgiveness and mercy to make me of those who are truly successful in this life and thehereafter!

Nafi
January 16, 2011, 02:07 PM
Why must every discussion turn into a religious one? Why can't people just be happy with their own beliefs and keep them to themselves? If the TO was looking for religious advice, she'd ask for it in the OP.
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The original poster did ask if it was haraam, a moderator merged his thread with this one.

Fazal
January 18, 2011, 04:40 PM
Why is it haram in Islam?

As far as I know, Tattoo was not listed as haram in Quran.


I also read in Quran that says Quran is the complte guide for Muslim. ( I need to find the reference. I will give the reference later.)

Kabir
January 20, 2011, 12:32 PM
I do not have to explain. Allah will explain it to you through Al-Quran :):

well, here goes!

Courtesy: Sahih-international translation/Quran-explorer translation

note: Kabir bhai, I would advise you to read surah an-Najm(Chapter 53 of al-quran)- at least the first 18 verses, it is explained very clearly therein :)

Also, I am accountable in front of Allah if i propagate any misiformation to anyone! so I ask for his forgiveness and mercy to make me of those who are truly successful in this life and thehereafter!


Thanks, but none of your quotes prove the following:
Anything Allahs messenger(SallAllahu A'laihe wasallam) has forbidden is a dirct command from Allah!

I hope you understand what I'm trying to get at. There's a difference between Allah saying that he's in agreement with whatever our Prophet says, and saying that whatever our Prophet says is directly from Allah. There is a reason why what our Prophet said and asked us to do is termed as sunnah, and why what Allah asks us to do directly through the Quran is farz.

Rifat
January 20, 2011, 01:41 PM
Thanks, but none of your quotes prove the following:


I hope you understand what I'm trying to get at. There's a difference between Allah saying that he's in agreement with whatever our Prophet says, and saying that whatever our Prophet says is directly from Allah. There is a reason why what our Prophet said and asked us to do is termed as sunnah, and why what Allah asks us to do directly through the Quran is farz.



مَّن يُطِعِ ٱلرَّسُولَ فَقَدۡ أَطَاعَ ٱللَّهَ‌ۖ وَمَن تَوَلَّىٰ فَمَآ أَرۡسَلۡنَـٰكَ عَلَيۡهِمۡ حَفِيظً۬ا (٨٠)

He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.

(Surah Nisa, Ayah 80; Chapter 4, Verse 80)

I believe this verse indicates that Allah(swt) is more than in agreement with Prophet(SalAllahu A'laihe wasallam). if Prophet(SAW) forbade (like clothes not below ankle for men) for his followers, you forbidding it for yourself is obeying Allah, according to this verse. and according to your statement:

what Allah asks us to do directly through the Quran is farz

the second part of the verse says,

"but those who turn away" who are the people who turn away? people who openly disobey Allah's messenger(SallAllahu A'laihe wasallam).

also, there are different degrees of sunnah, many sunnah has both spiritual and worldly benefits(like niqaab for women, miswaak), that if we don't follow them there is no blame upon us unless we are avoiding them for the specific reason of it being labeled a sunnah /disrespecting the Prophet(SalAllahu A'laihe wasallam).

Allah indeed knows what is in each and every one of our hearts, and Allah will expose them on the day of judgment.

bujhee kom
January 20, 2011, 04:44 PM
This conversation is getting better as Rifat and Kabir bhai are engaging in this dialogue..

You must have logic and rational...Allah gave us that ability to contemplate and that's why it is upto us to choose and decide what to do with our lives, otherwise He would have been just happy making us sheep and He would not need to judge us on the final judgement day.

The most important thing for all of us Moslems is the Al-Quran. Allah's direct massages, rules and instructions are there. We have got to make sure we do those right.

Then comes The great Prophet Mohammad's (PBUH) personal ideas and beliefs and rules and orders which by the way are not coming to you and me through the Prophet's (PBUH) mouth directly....how are they being relayed to us? Through the Prophet's (PBUH) disciples (Sahabas) as he could not read or write. And this is where the big problem lies. The Prophet's (PBUH) disciples have their personal agenda and beliefs and likes and dislikes and they might have tweeked things around and they might have presented to us as the Prophet's (PBUH) own words. Now how can we be certain that they did distort the Prophet's (PBUH) words or not? I guess you and I will never know that, it has been 1400+ years passed, right?

So it is very wise for us to stick to the basics (Al-Quran) and the fundamental concepts of Al-Islam that comes directly from the Al-Quran. It is wise for us to refrain from giving fatawas/lectures based on assumption and (may be) words and thoughts of the Prophet (PBUH) that he might not have actualy uttered.

Can we take anything that came out of any disciples of the Prophet as the ture spoken words of him? Allah gave us logic and rational for that. And remember Allah will judge us on our action and our application of conscience, otherwise He, the almighty Lord would have been happy making us just sheep.

Didn't He give us conscience and a brain to think independently? Use that to pick out what is wrong and what is right, that is after you are completely through following the Al-Quran's rules of engagement, way of life each and everyday.

BanCricFan
January 21, 2011, 11:58 AM
Rifat is absolutely on the money when he quots sural An-Najm and points out the fact that Allah the most High testifies that the Prophet does not speak from his passions, whims or desire when he commands us about anything. This is, in fact, the command of Allah through revelation (Wahy) to the prophet. Wahy is of two kinds: Qura'nic and Inspired "Ilham" that is not included in the Qur'an but equally legally binding. Many Sunnah is directly related to that of Ilham.

Those who are confused you may consult a scholar or exegesis (Tafsir) of the related verse of Surah an-Najm. Also, the Prophet made it unequivocally clear in his Farewel Sermon when he (pbuh) says, "I leave you two things behind: the book of Allah and my Sunnah". Thats why the testification of faith (Shahadah) is not complete without the second part of Shahadah which is "and I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah".

There is no Islam without the science of Hadith or Sunnah of the Prophet.

metallian
January 21, 2011, 02:58 PM
tattoos represent low-status in society other than the fact that it is haraam in Islam. Very few people look good with tatts and i doubt the poster is one of them. no offense. Plain and simple, don't get a tattoo.

Zeeshan
January 21, 2011, 03:19 PM
tattoos represent low-status in society other than the fact that it is haraam in Islam. Very few people look good with tatts and i doubt the poster is one of them. no offense. Plain and simple, don't get a tattoo.

I know huh? As opposed to all lower caps erudition?
stfu

Bancan
January 21, 2011, 03:44 PM
tattoos represent low-status in society other than the fact that it is haraam in Islam. Very few people look good with tatts and i doubt the poster is one of them. no offense. Plain and simple, don't get a tattoo.

Haha. How do we get these crappy posters around world cup everytime. They seem to come out of hibernation around this time.

Dilscoop
February 24, 2011, 02:07 AM
These are the kinds that I like: bold and heavy lines, not those habi-jabi stuff that Mitchell Johnson got. More like Crabtree of Packers.

http://hohaeng.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/arm-tattoo-designs-for-men-0.jpghttp://tattooart.jxbbx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Arm-Tattoo-designs191.jpg

Source (http://www.poptattoo.info/search/design)

Graphic Content (http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/TattooEASTNEWS_450x450.jpg) (gross)

Dilscoop
February 24, 2011, 09:56 PM
Arabic/Hindi prints are very popular now. I've been thinking/creating one for myself since I was in 10th-11th grade. I told myself I will get one by 25. It will be a mixture of American flag and Bdesh map, with redish (tattoo red) stripe and 1 big and few small stars. And then recently I thought about putting those Arabic prints and designs I saw in Quran pages.

I add on as I go on.

As my photoshop is still broke, anybody with Photoshop and good photoshop skills, and a creative mind, do this for me please! Doc Z or Magic, please! Read the description first and then...

Use this (http://hohaeng.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/arm-tattoo-designs-for-men-0.jpg), this (http://tattooart.jxbbx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Arm-Tattoo-designs191.jpg), and this (http://www.tattoosdesignidea.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/patriotic-tattoo-designs.jpg) and that (http://www.2tattoodesigns.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/patriotic-tattoo-03.jpg) design.

Then a Bangladesh map (http://www.clker.com/cliparts/W/9/J/u/k/d/bangladesh-map-md.png) somewhere (use blank or black, which ever looks good.)

Along with those kool Arabic abstract prints; ex one (http://www.deviantart.com/download/100887075/Towers_in_arabic_Typography_by_Bakryx.jpg), two (http://www.deviantart.com/download/110335631/__Arabic_Typography____by_JNoOoN.jpg), three (http://www.deviantart.com/download/78769745/Arabic_Typography_II_by_Qa9ed2000.jpg), four (http://www.deviantart.com/download/86285352/Arabic_Typography_IIII_by_Qa9ed2000.jpg), five (http://calligraphy-expo.com/EditorFiles/image/FromTheDepthOfAges/e7eb5ffe-9e06-445f-b31a-d4e4686e25da.jpg), six (http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/28/2885/RLHPD00Z/posters/arabic-writing-and-intricate-designs-cover-the-exterior-of-a-building.jpg), 7 (http://www.arabprints.nl/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/284x330/c964e2fdd8171d99bd0e953429de8775/w/a/wall-105.gif), 8 (http://www.visualdhikr.com/vdtype/images/vdbag.gif)

I don't know what I want it to say yet, but write something meaningful for now, and then I will work on that later. I want the arabic print on the background (along with those pictures under this, this and that category) on top of that I want those usa, bdesh, stars and stripes and etc. keep the red in low-key, I don't want it to be bright

Use all those images, get ideas, and put em all together. thank you! :big_hug:

magic boy
March 1, 2011, 07:06 PM
Dilscoop

http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt47/kobiraz/magcitattoo2.jpg
I am neither a tattoo(i don't like tattoo) specialist nor well in designing one yet. moreover don't blame me for hijibiji one. look at your requirement USA flag + BD map + Arabic abstract printsone (http://www.deviantart.com/download/100887075/Towers_in_arabic_Typography_by_Bakryx.jpg), two (http://www.deviantart.com/download/110335631/__Arabic_Typography____by_JNoOoN.jpg), three (http://www.deviantart.com/download/78769745/Arabic_Typography_II_by_Qa9ed2000.jpg), four (http://www.deviantart.com/download/86285352/Arabic_Typography_IIII_by_Qa9ed2000.jpg), five (http://calligraphy-expo.com/EditorFiles/image/FromTheDepthOfAges/e7eb5ffe-9e06-445f-b31a-d4e4686e25da.jpg), six (http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/28/2885/RLHPD00Z/posters/arabic-writing-and-intricate-designs-cover-the-exterior-of-a-building.jpg), 7 (http://www.arabprints.nl/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/284x330/c964e2fdd8171d99bd0e953429de8775/w/a/wall-105.gif), 8 (http://www.visualdhikr.com/vdtype/images/vdbag.gif) + etc blah blah

But you know Tattoo is just for showing off so better put something that make some one bound to stare for a while to grab the whole. those simple & bolds u want are for mostly heavy metal artists imo. too much lecture, eh? :p

Dilscoop
March 1, 2011, 08:40 PM
ah man. Thanks for trying though. Ya, I guess I did as for too much. I gotta rethink all that

Electrequiem
November 14, 2011, 01:09 AM
I am contemplating getting the followings lines by Tagore tattooed on my right upper chest (right below my shoulder blade):

"তখন কে বলে গো সেই প্রভাতে নেই আমি।
সকল খেলায় করবে খেলা এই আমি-- আহা,
নতুন নামে ডাকবে মোরে, বাঁধবে নতুন বাহু-ডোরে,
আসব যাব চিরদিনের সেই আমি।"

Where DO they do Bengali tattoos?

Zeeshan
November 14, 2011, 02:04 AM
I am contemplating getting the followings lines by Tagore tattooed on my right upper chest (right below my shoulder blade):

"তখন কে বলে গো সেই প্রভাতে নেই আমি।
সকল খেলায় করবে খেলা এই আমি-- আহা,
নতুন নামে ডাকবে মোরে, বাঁধবে নতুন বাহু-ডোরে,
আসব যাব চিরদিনের সেই আমি।"

Where DO they do Bengali tattoos?

That's one of the dumbest question ever. I once went upto three girls and asked them where one got her Japanese tat done and she gave me a look as if it's the weirdest think one can ask...

Cuz the way it works they copy it in stencil and paste a washable ink on your body then trace it over with needle and ink. So the points is moot.

Btw...good choice man.

Electrequiem
November 14, 2011, 05:54 PM
That's one of the dumbest question ever. I once went upto three girls and asked them where one got her Japanese tat done and she gave me a look as if it's the weirdest think one can ask...

Cuz the way it works they copy it in stencil and paste a washable ink on your body then trace it over with needle and ink. So the points is moot.

Btw...good choice man.

O...ami jantam-na. Bhabtam I'd need a tattoo artist who can write Bangla to have this done.

Zeeshan
November 14, 2011, 05:56 PM
O...ami jantam-na. Bhabtam I'd need a tattoo artist who can write Bangla to have this done.

I forgot to mention, if this will be small writing then it may not be possible because of the size of the needle and will be blurry. Then again I never went to a rich parlor who may have ultrathin needles but the ink will still kinda blot...

Don't you guys have something like Miami Ink there?

Electrequiem
November 16, 2011, 04:41 PM
I forgot to mention, if this will be small writing then it may not be possible because of the size of the needle and will be blurry. Then again I never went to a rich parlor who may have ultrathin needles but the ink will still kinda blot...

Don't you guys have something like Miami Ink there?

Yeah dude. South Beach is full of really good tattoo shops. Like I said, I always thought you needed someone who can write the language you are trying to get a tattoo in. I'll ask around, though.

al Furqaan
November 16, 2011, 05:23 PM
I am contemplating getting the followings lines by Tagore tattooed on my right upper chest (right below my shoulder blade):

"তখন কে বলে গো সেই প্রভাতে নেই আমি।
সকল খেলায় করবে খেলা এই আমি-- আহা,
নতুন নামে ডাকবে মোরে, বাঁধবে নতুন বাহু-ডোরে,
আসব যাব চিরদিনের সেই আমি।"

Where DO they do Bengali tattoos?

what does that say?