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reyme
December 27, 2007, 07:00 AM
It's a pleasure to have JS as our coach. Based on newspaper notes, it seems he is more of a hands on, less talk-do more, try to improve on a daily basis, practice a lot in every department type of a coach, as compared to Dav Whatmore who was more of a motivational, little bit easy going great high profile coach.

JS is said to be very professional. I am very curious to see how he makes adjustment in the 2nd ODI.
1. Biggest concern name is middle order batting, I like to see how he solves the crisis.
2. Going to the 2nd ODI again with 3 strike bowler is a defensive attitude, is it the right approach? So far at NZ we are having very difficult time getting wickets, and when you get them, its too late. Will Tusahar's inclusion justifies specially at #3?
3. Can the game plan be innovative? Like bringing the slow bowlers as early as in the 9th over? Be more attacking field set? Bring some slog hitters like Razzak/Farhad early to preserve Aftab for #6?

Anyway, just wanted to see how people feel about Jamie Siddons and his game plans so far and how do you rate him compared to other test team coaches.

pilot fan
December 27, 2007, 07:14 AM
i like him

he has got a 3 year plan i feel and he is strong minded and very authorative which dav was not and i feel he has the respect of the players

look at how he critized ash and tamim after they played well

this guy is exactly what we need

lamisa
December 27, 2007, 07:20 AM
i thnk hez gud.amader playerder jonno ei jater strict coachii dorkar.

Murad
December 27, 2007, 07:26 AM
He's too young to comment on..

Spitfire_x86
December 27, 2007, 07:28 AM
I hope he will keep the top order same, and play Tushar at #5 followed by Sakib at #6.

damalChele
December 27, 2007, 07:29 AM
We bengalis love to 'bitch' more and 'talk' more. I like his 'talk less do more' attitude.

al-Sagar
December 27, 2007, 07:31 AM
well its too early to jdge him and also its too early for him to judge the payers.

i think the NZ series he has nothing to do except earn some positives and learn the lackings.

i think his 1sst serious test should be when SA tours bangladesh.

he will get about 1 month to work with players and also look at other players available and make a good fight against SA.

i am very much excited about the SA series.

lamisa
December 27, 2007, 07:33 AM
He's too young to comment on..

well he iz,but really itz our cricketer's fault.de stll hav da same old mentalilt,1ta match jitlei hoise,chhoy mash pore arekta jitlei cholbe.i wud very disappointd if nuthn happenz(i.e 2 winz @least)coz v hav a fantastic coach,xcptionally talented playerz,da only thng lackn iz strong nd propr mentality,de cant gt away wid da same xcuse evry tym,"new team wid playerz wid a lot of potential.v vl do well in future,targt 2011 WC"/:)

ManInBlack
December 27, 2007, 07:36 AM
Oh I like him too...He made a impressive comment on Prothom Alo..."Our players averages around 25, how can we expect them to win"...we can probably expect upsets.

zainab
December 27, 2007, 08:30 AM
Oh I like him too...He made a impressive comment on Prothom Alo..."Our players averages around 25, how can we expect them to win"...we can probably expect upsets.

I also think that he is very practical about where the team stands. I hope he gets along with Ash who did not seem to get along with Whatmore. It is very important that captain and coach clicks, it has a good effect on the rest of the team.
I dont think that he has much influence on this tour, his time has been too short, all he can do at the moment is just advise, the players have to perform, also if he pressure them too much, then it is no good, they will ultimately fail.

Protic
December 27, 2007, 08:54 AM
TOO EARLY TO SAY ANYTHING..but records says he's good.

sadi
December 27, 2007, 09:46 AM
Too early to tell but second odi may give us some idea.

Sohel
December 27, 2007, 10:23 AM
Just wait and see what he does, especially after getting to know 30-50 of our top players and getting involved in the selection process. He's the man to take us to the next level InshAllah ... :)

One World
December 27, 2007, 10:28 AM
Just wait and see what he does, especially after getting to know 30-50 of our top players and getting involved in the selection process. He's the man to take us to the next level InshAllah ... :)

Well said, I have total faith in him. Even his press conferences are much matured compared to previous coaches. Reality bites but he was impressive from the beginning and definitely we would have better performances during home bashing of the springboks. :flag:

Sohel
December 27, 2007, 10:44 AM
Well said, I have total faith in him. Even his press conferences are much matured compared to previous coaches. Reality bites but he was impressive from the beginning and definitely we would have better performances during home bashing of the springboks. :flag:

I like the fact that he's a LOT more caring and proactive with regards to correcting technique and works in smaller groups. I loved his candidness in the recent PA interview with Utpol Shubhro. He is not only concerned about our traditionally cavalier attitude about the fundamentals, especially batting fundamentals at this level, but also has seemed to prioritize that area in his plans for the team.

Kabir
December 27, 2007, 10:59 AM
It's too early to tell whether his coaching will have much effect on our ghar-tera shonar chaan pitla ghughus, but here's what I personally like about him:

1. Very strong about what he says. I think he also enjoys being respected and being considered a strict coach.

2. Brings much needed innovative ideas in the practice and coaching...something we've been lacking so far.

3. A very good public speaker...something Dav lacked as he looked too nervous. I think JS's confidence (for being an assistant coach of Australia) plays a part in it.

4. He wants to try new ideas...and given the fact that there's possible vast difference between how Aussies practice versus how BD team practices...this is probably a place where he can have his full freedom to do whatever he wants.

The real fruit will become evident may be a year later. Tactical moves are easy to make...strategic ones take time to get implemented well.

Tigers_eye
December 27, 2007, 11:24 AM
He is very smart. Smarter than any coach we had in the past. That includes GG and Andy Roberts.

Hello Reyme,
experimenting is not always good when a team in not settled. Remember this team has not played for long. We are almost playing 11 on 11 now. Previously we played 8/9 against 11. Players roles are still being sorted out. First comes the stability. Experiments must be done on fimiliar conditions such as at home (depending on the risk - reward factors).

akabir77
December 27, 2007, 12:13 PM
after one and half month of work you started rated the coach. please this is not Football. I see every time in soccer they bring in a BIDISHI coach give them one month and expect miracle. please don't start that trend here...

Ajfar
December 27, 2007, 12:45 PM
let's wait n seee..

Dhakablues
December 27, 2007, 01:16 PM
Too early to call.. but if he was amongst the primary coaching staff of Australian team with an excellent proven track record and if the BCB is paying 250K for someone ,,, you need to believe that we dont have an average guy up there...

With the initial comments:
I dont know how it is a defensive strategy when we have 3 fast bowlers, 1 specialist spinner and 1 specialist spinner/all-rounder, 1 occassional leg spinner, 1 occasional off-break bowler. Other than the openers and the wicketkeeper, the rest of the team pretty much can/has bowled.
But as we know,,, its the captain that decides the bowling changes, fielding strategy and how to attack. Siddons cant help Ashraful with that as there is where we draw the line. The coach sets the strategy with the captain but the captain must execute that strategy. How he executes at the operational level is something thats left to the players on the feild led by their captain..

al Furqaan
December 27, 2007, 01:31 PM
1 match, 4 weeks and we're already asking these questions about our coach...*sigh*

we need to keep the faith in all our boys, and JS is one of them now.

Ejaj
December 27, 2007, 01:35 PM
Too early to say anything. I was in preference for Richard Maccinse. Anyway.

I had noticed a good improvement in the slip or outfield catching. He worked with Tamim and Tushar. Tamim already did well in last few matches. I would really like to see what Tushar performs in 2nd ODI.

Beamer
December 27, 2007, 02:05 PM
Just wait and see what he does, especially after getting to know 30-50 of our top players and getting involved in the selection process. He's the man to take us to the next level InshAllah ... :)

Exactly. He will have to see the pool of players from close quarters first before he can make his judgement. Once he identifies the group, the real work will begin. I think 30-50 is too many for his liking. He already has mentioned that he likes to work with a limited number of players. So, my guess would be somewhere along the number of 20. Some would not pan out and we will see one or two leaving from his list, and some from outside looking in, will get a new look.

About adjustment for the game tonight. I would like him to send Tushar at no.3 in place of Aftab, though he has been most successful there ever since powerplay came into operation. But, the problem is, since the promotion, Aftab has not re -adjusted his game . He continues to flay like a glorified pinch hitter and has done himself no good for a spot in the test line up. With the emergence of good one day openers ( SN is still there ), I see no reason to send Aftab there any more, and for his own good. Middle order has got no power and Aftab at no.5 is what I would like. Besides, every time he had the opportunity to play at 5 or 6, he has played with a cooler head. I am counting on that to continue.

Going by his own admissions, its safe to assume that Vettori will delay any additional power play while Ash is there. So, to counter a belated powerplay, who better to send but Aftab after Ash? He is as good as anybody.

Todays team : 1 Tamim 2 Big Z 3 Tushar 4 Ash 5 Aftab 6 Sakib 7 Muhsy 8 Reza 9 Mash ( subtle hint, come after Reza ) 10 raj 11 Rajib

Tigers_eye
December 27, 2007, 03:28 PM
This is what Cricinfo had on JS:
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/nzvbdesh/content/current/story/327740.html

Bangladesh coach Jamie Siddons admitted that the batsmen got their strategy wrong and didn't focus on staying at the crease for 50 overs.
"The batsman that were in were probably looking at a 280 target rather than making sure we got 250," Siddons said. "The captain has a bit to answer for there. We've got to make sure we get 250 and bat our 50 overs.
"Ashraful and Tamim seemed to make it look pretty easy but the two guys threw it away. If you get those sorts of starts you can't afford to fall away that badly. We broke a few team rules, so we'll talk about that and hopefully make sure it doesn't happen again."

Is there anyway of knowing what are the team rules and who were the real culprits? To me the ones who performed Tamim and Ash was singled out. :)

Siddons bhai,
Beth lagley boilen. Modhupur picnic spot thekay ati ati beth supply ditey parbo. No cost associated.

MarufH
December 27, 2007, 03:30 PM
Only time will tell.

Nocturnal
December 27, 2007, 03:56 PM
Siddons bhai,
Beth lagley boilen. Bodhupur picnic spot thekay ati ati beth supply ditey parbo. No cost associated.

:floor:

jahidus200
December 27, 2007, 04:33 PM
i think siddons is very good coach for bangladesh . and he understand where is our batsman and bowler problem .

zainab
December 29, 2007, 08:01 AM
I am glad that he speaks about team rules like the aussies. He needs to reinforce this more and to make each and every player accountable and play as a unit, I think that he will bring in a lot of the Aussies strategy here, and players will have to perform consistently to keep their place in the team. This will make each and every player trying to improve daily, because now it is a new coach and new era in BD cricket. No one will get a free pass here anymore

israr
December 29, 2007, 04:07 PM
During the Whatmore era, we just beat the big teams ocassionally in ODIs, with no real competition in mosts of the tests. But in the current Siddon's era, we'll transform into a strong ODI team(and obliterate the minnows tag), with ocassional wins in test against the big boys.

bdchamp20
December 29, 2007, 07:03 PM
Jamie Siddons: How smart is he?
We will know in two-three years time

reyme
December 30, 2007, 06:03 AM
He is very smart. Smarter than any coach we had in the past. That includes GG and Andy Roberts.

Hello Reyme,
experimenting is not always good when a team in not settled. Remember this team has not played for long. We are almost playing 11 on 11 now. Previously we played 8/9 against 11. Players roles are still being sorted out. First comes the stability. Experiments must be done on fimiliar conditions such as at home (depending on the risk - reward factors).

Well said T_E. I agree with your comment.

reyme
December 30, 2007, 06:10 AM
after one and half month of work you started rated the coach. please this is not Football. I see every time in soccer they bring in a BIDISHI coach give them one month and expect miracle. please don't start that trend here...

If you are a working professional Kabir, you know you start getting rated from day one. Why? Because you are in a hot seat, you are a responsible person, you make important decisions, and you make big bucks.
Mr Siddons has been coaching for almost 5-6+ years now. After being an asst coach of the aussies, he is NO rookie in coaching who cant be rated. He must be good, otherwise he would NOT be picked by the aussie national team in the first place.

I rate him highly, and happy to see him as our coach. But yes, how successful will he be with tigers, only future will tell. I think he will do better than the previous coaches.

al-Sagar
December 30, 2007, 06:27 AM
i think the improvements that siddons will make will 1st be seen in SA series.

zainab
December 30, 2007, 07:18 AM
In my opinion, I feel that the boys will do much better here than on that disastrous SL tour. They have someone here that they have to be accountable to, even the captain has to be accountable. I feel that he is a no nonsense coach, either you want to be in the team or not, if you want to be in the team, you have to perform to keep your place and this means improvement all the time. Seeing that he was asst coach for the aussie team, he will implement those ideas that have made Australia the NO 1 team. The only drawback here is that these boys are very young, but they can be groomed beautifully.After returning to BD, he has a month to work with them before the SA tour. The Windians trained for 1 month with their new Aussie coach, and they have turned 180 degrees, beat SA convincingly in the first test match, so there is hope for BD though they desperately need a good fast bowling coach.

Spitfire_x86
December 30, 2007, 09:00 AM
The Windians trained for 1 month with their new Aussie coach, and they have turned 180 degrees, beat SA convincingly in the first test match
John Dyson isn't the first Aussie coach for WI, they had Bennett King for quite long time.

Tigers_eye
December 31, 2007, 09:17 AM
If you are a working professional Kabir, you know you start getting rated from day one. Why? Because you are in a hot seat, you are a responsible person, you make important decisions, and you make big bucks.
Mr Siddons has been coaching for almost 5-6+ years now. After being an asst coach of the aussies, he is NO rookie in coaching who cant be rated. He must be good, otherwise he would NOT be picked by the aussie national team in the first place.

I rate him highly, and happy to see him as our coach. But yes, how successful will he be with tigers, only future will tell. I think he will do better than the previous coaches.
He can only do so much. The rest is up to the players. 1000 coach aina, baita, pani mishaia player'der khawailay'o they would not rectify their mistakes. let alone one or few in couple of months.

Even for a newly appointed CEO/President it would be impossible to turn around a losing company in to a profitable one. Compare apples verses apples. The usual measure stick is if they are improving or not. New Miami Dolphins coach can't do anything overnight even though talent pool is near any top/middle order team. For BD, their talent pool is not even close to the foreign club teams plus they are playing overseas.

zainab
December 31, 2007, 04:44 PM
I say, to be fair, let;s give him one year. He is embarassed at the moment over this humiliating defeat, he feels that he has not achieved anything in 5 weeks, and I dont blame him, he cannot make bad players into good players overnight. also he cannot place too much pressure on players in such a short time or else they will continue collapsing like a pack of cards as they have done in the past. He was very much aware of the weaknesses of this team when he accepted the assignment, but for him, it is a challenge and let us all support him.
Cricket is becoming more competitive now and each team is striving for better performance especially after bad defeats e'g. England, India, Sri lanka and NZ, WI and Pakistan. The only 2 teams who dont have anything to worry about is Australia and SA.