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karimjay.
January 5, 2008, 03:48 AM
What's so wrong with him? Why would we EVER opt for Aftab over him IN TEST?

Don't get me wrong, I rate Aftab highly. He's one of my favourite players in the Bangladesh side, his fielding and fearless batting..

But WHY do we take HIM over RAJIN SALEH?

He's our only specialist test batsman and EVEN IF times are evolving, we always need a technically adapt batsman who is resilient.

Lets face it, our attacking batsmen(Tamim, Junayed, Ashraful, Bashar) aren't Gilchrists, Hayden or Pontings. We need at least one test specialist to keep our wickets intact if things get rough.

What is it that Rajin wouldn't do that Aftab would do anyway? Aftab played like someone else yesterday, playing out 24 balls for no runs (not that he was being choked, he looked content with dealing in dot balls), and then... I don't know maybe he got bored and tried to pretend he was facing the last ball of an ODI match needing six runs to win?

Judging this, Aftabs definitely not looking to carry his game in ODIs into tests. So he ISN'T an attacking option. He's just an idiot, and I understand that alot of the replies to this thread would be: 'Give him time' blahhh.

But WHY? WE HAVE RAJIN.

tiger_omar
January 5, 2008, 04:04 AM
I don't aggree with everything you said, but I do aggree with you main point, and that is that Rajin Saleh should be in our definatly be in our current Test squad. Most probably over Aftab as well.

He is a pretty technically sound batsmen and I remember him doing quite well against India in the Test series. His biggest problem was facing spin, specially of Anil Kumble, but many batsmen in the world struglle facing Kumble. So I think in these non spin friendly conditions, Rajin Saleh would be a good option for our Test team.

karimjay.
January 5, 2008, 04:09 AM
The only spinner he'd face is the SLA bowler Vettori.

It would be very disappointing to see our batsmen give more than two wickets in an inning to Vettori, purely on how much practise they get against SLA bowlers in turning pitches at home.

Rajin performs against everyone, when we need it.

Anyone remember his 71 and 60 odd in the Australian series?

What didn't you agree with?

RazabQ
January 5, 2008, 04:19 AM
I tried to find you video of the 82* Aftab scored in the 2nd Test in England (but no luck on youtube or google video). This was against England's to-be Ashes winning bowling attack. Rajin couldn't play that innings even if he agreed to a Faustian bargain using the last few locks of his thinning pate as payment!

tiger_omar
January 5, 2008, 04:25 AM
Judging this, Aftabs definitely not looking to carry his game in ODIs into tests. So he ISN'T an attacking option. He's just an idiot, and I understand that alot of the replies to this thread would be: 'Give him time' blahhh.



That's pretty much the only part I didn't aggree with. Although he sometimes does get out in idiotic fashion and during the worse of times, I don't think that he's an idiot and that maybe Siddons can help improve his temprament.

Because like you've mentionned, he's a fearless player, and he's got some talent as well. With him all the best.

karimjay.
January 5, 2008, 04:35 AM
I tried to find you video of the 82* Aftab scored in the 2nd Test in England (but no luck on youtube or google video). This was against England's to-be Ashes winning bowling attack. Rajin couldn't play that innings even if he agreed to a Faustian bargain using the last few locks of his thinning pate as payment!

Afridi scored a swashbuckling century on debut, I trust you remember that?

100 off 33 balls wasnt it?

Ponting couldn't do that.

Who would you rather play in an ODI though?

***

Also I see what you're saying Tiger_omar.

But these problems get fixed in U16, not be evident at test.

nahaz
January 5, 2008, 05:17 AM
Junaed and tamim look like they'll stay for a while. So Rajin can only come in place of Aftab or SN. I think now it's more of a question of who's better...and he can only come back if one of them has failed in this test..I think Rajin is not bad..let's wait till after this test

wiseshah
January 5, 2008, 05:34 AM
in the 2nd test bring him in place of mushfiq as a wicketkeeper.

karimjay.
January 5, 2008, 06:19 AM
Why?

Mushfiqur did par.

If Aftab doesn't get into double figures tomorrow then kick HIM out.

lamisa
January 5, 2008, 07:39 AM
i thnk rajin iz a btr option 4 tests dan rajin.4 tests v need sum1 who can remain out dere nd nt gt restless nd aftab iz definitely impatient.

Spitfire_x86
January 5, 2008, 08:29 AM
If Aftab doesn't get into double figures tomorrow then kick HIM out.
Seems that only 10 runs is enough to make all the difference in your book. Then why pick Rajin, just pick a bowler who is not unlikely to score 10.

Protic
January 5, 2008, 08:36 AM
First of all.. kick aftab out? lol thats disrespecting! Man he's been one of the reason we have success in ODI's.. Rajin is good.. i agree..very good for tests.. but Aftab performs too.. he will deffo score a 30 if not more!.. (Not in rare cases).. Id take both rajin n aftab in the current team.. maybe drop bashar.. or .. IM VERY SAD TO SAY.. shahriar nafees.. tamim n zunaid doing well.. it shud be between bashar n SN in the 2nd test.

Ahmed_B
January 5, 2008, 08:41 AM
Problem is... you opened a thread about Rajin.. but mixed up Aftab with it. Rajin still has chances to play in the middle-order.. but surely not as a replacement of Aftab.

djnaved
January 5, 2008, 12:00 PM
rajin is much better player than aftab in test match.atleast rajin has the capability of scoring 40+ runs in the test match

Murad
January 5, 2008, 12:02 PM
Bhaijan ra ekta kotha bhule gechen dekhi oti olpo shomoye.

Do you guys remember the Srilanka Tour?

Last 3 innings of Rajin was Golden Ducks and you expect the coach to include in the playing eleven? You guys are something. Form na dekhei hoichoi shuru koren.

I think some of you have some issue against Aftab. Give him a few more innings before you judge him.

karimjay.
January 5, 2008, 08:55 PM
I was just suggesting who Rajin should replace. We've all heard about Bashar and co., we seem to overlook Aftab though.

And I said double figures because I was confident Aftabs chances of getting ten are the same as getting 50 right now.

You have a team full of aggressive batsmen, most seem in okay form, why add another to the bunch.

Sure, Rajin may have scored three golden ducks in the SRI LANKA series. But everyone screwed up against them too. Sri Lankas bowling attack is much stronger than NZ (Vaas, Murali) and etc.

AND theres alot more reasons why Rajin will last in test than Aftab, I thought todays dismissal of Aftab would be enough to convince you?

I'm not disrespecting Aftab, he's doing that to himself.

Russell2k7
January 5, 2008, 09:49 PM
They are all the same! Useless.

BD Tigers
January 5, 2008, 10:14 PM
one is aggressive and other one is not. so who do u play? I'll rest my case to coach and see if he picks Aftab again. If the coach cud foresee Zunaid being Test player after just 3 ODIs than obviously he knows better.

karimjay.
January 5, 2008, 10:19 PM
Or perhaps our coach could foresee Zunaid having his peak inning soon in test..

I'm not being negative.. I just don't want our team so all over the place.

mhn
January 5, 2008, 10:38 PM
we must play rajin in da second test..dat could be in place of bashar or in place of aftab...nd i think this time it would be in place of aftab..coz bashar is only 13/12 runs away from his 3000 runs...once he get to dat figure than we can leave him forever..nd we must show this respect to bashar coz he was the only cosistant test batsman in our team.and he used to provide us a gr8 service as a batsman.so i think he should play in da 2nd test..

al Furqaan
January 5, 2008, 10:45 PM
rajin is a stop gap solution.

i would take him over bashar now...but aftab must be persisted with. his top score is not just 82*, but it also came of 82 balls. against the ashes winning bowling attack of harmy, hoggard, sp jones, et al.

aftab will eventually come through...just look at the ash example under DW. siddons will do much better and much faster too than what DW did to ash.

djnaved
January 5, 2008, 10:55 PM
Why?

Mushfiqur did par.

If Aftab doesn't get into double figures tomorrow then kick HIM out.

bro, i will give you 1000$ to buy a ticket to NZ. Plz kick him hardly.[ shathe dui othoba tinta kil ghushi]. lolz

Rubu
January 5, 2008, 11:23 PM
Rafique should have been there instead of enamul. I don't know why each time enamul is called when there is a test. he has done well in test only against the game we won against Zim, thats about it. Rafique's experience would have come handy. and rajin for sure need to be there instead of haba.

djnaved
January 5, 2008, 11:35 PM
Rafique should have been there instead of enamul. I don't know why each time enamul is called when there is a test. he has done well in test only against the game we won against Zim, thats about it. Rafique's experience would have come handy. and rajin for sure need to be there instead of haba.

bro, your explaination is excellent. You said the right thing. I think rafique wouldn't get enough chance because of Naimur rahman durjoy. Naimur never like rafique since bd started to play test match. That's 1000% true. Enam should be dropped in 2nd test.

again we need wicket taking spinner rather than specialist spinner.

Foozy
January 6, 2008, 02:59 AM
Rajin should definitely be chosen instead of Haba. Haba can be tried another last time sometime later. 12 runs is not too much and he can make it then.

Out of this thread topic but very much along the same lines:
Farhad should replace Aftab for this tour last match because of Aftab not being in form. Not because he can or cannot play. Farhad can be a hard hitter and he can also adjust according to the team needs. Plus he can be a little variation to the pace bowling, as that is what seems to be working in these conditions.

This last one is a maybe! Just a suggestion that I'm not confident about myself:
Enamul just seems to be getting his *** whopped! I don't know but maybe adding Sakib might be better. SLA Vettori is also doing the trick. Why not Sakib, and our batting in test SUCKS! ANY extra runs would be good!

nahaz
January 6, 2008, 03:56 AM
Hey Foozy, don't compare Vettori's situation with Enam's. Vettori is bowling to opponents who are happy to gift him thier wickets, Enam is bowling ones who desparately wanna make their marks with hundreds, coz nothing less will do.

Also Bangladeshi batsmen are **** scared to play vettori , Kiwis are not scared of Enam's reputation.

NAd oh yeah, Jey lou shei kodu, so plz keep the same team. Might see improvement in both Bashar and Aftab, who knows!After all, they have to ensure their spot in the next series too:-D.

djnaved
January 6, 2008, 04:15 AM
Hey Foozy, don't compare Vettori's situation with Enam's. Vettori is bowling to opponents who are happy to gift him thier wickets, Enam is bowling ones who desparately wanna make their marks with hundreds, coz nothing less will do.

Also Bangladeshi batsmen are **** scared to play vettori , Kiwis are not scared of Enam's reputation.

NAd oh yeah, Jey lou shei kodu, so plz keep the same team. Might see improvement in both Bashar and Aftab, who knows!After all, they have to ensure their spot in the next series too:-D.

Bro, you are not good as a teacher. if a student does or want to do easy mistake, a teacher should give him punishment. making difficult mistake is another story.

Foozy
January 6, 2008, 04:36 AM
Hey Foozy, don't compare Vettori's situation with Enam's. Vettori is bowling to opponents who are happy to gift him thier wickets, Enam is bowling ones who desparately wanna make their marks with hundreds, coz nothing less will do.

Also Bangladeshi batsmen are **** scared to play vettori , Kiwis are not scared of Enam's reputation.

NAd oh yeah, Jey lou shei kodu, so plz keep the same team. Might see improvement in both Bashar and Aftab, who knows!After all, they have to ensure their spot in the next series too:-D.

Bro I think I know which angle you are looking at it from, and I would totally agree with you except that if you think about it, Aftab did not seem comfortable with the pitch and bowling since day one in the ODIs. I think its more about form.

As for Bashar, honestly he seemed kind of okay for a while in the first innings. But truth is I think Rajin would still make a better player for this team, and his consistency at this time period can be more assured than Bashar. Besides, we do want the players who are more likely to play in the next tour to get back in touch with international cricket, before blaming their failures on that next time.

I think we should aim to have lots of choices to choose from. It should be difficult to choose as there should be too many good players. And always the in-form players should be representing us. Thats how the better teams roll anyways.

Sovik
January 6, 2008, 06:43 AM
I tried to find you video of the 82* Aftab scored in the 2nd Test in England (but no luck on youtube or google video). This was against England's to-be Ashes winning bowling attack. Rajin couldn't play that innings even if he agreed to a Faustian bargain using the last few locks of his thinning pate as payment!

as far as i can remember he was hitting the ball hard and most of the edges flew over slip cordons. he could have got out any moment

tiger_omar
January 7, 2008, 02:45 AM
Problem is... you opened a thread about Rajin.. but mixed up Aftab with it. Rajin still has chances to play in the middle-order.. but surely not as a replacement of Aftab.

Why not as a replacement of Aftab??? What the hell has Aftab done in the last test match that makes him sooo irreplacable for the next match??? Please explain.

And please don't mention the talent part, because we all know how much talent he's got. He's probably the second or third most talented batsman on our team, but he's probably one of the most hot tempered ones when it comes to batting. So he doesn't have the mentality for test matches and therefore should be dropped from the team.

tiger_omar
January 7, 2008, 02:57 AM
Do you guys remember the Srilanka Tour?

Last 3 innings of Rajin was Golden Ducks and you expect the coach to include in the playing eleven? You guys are something. Form na dekhei hoichoi shuru koren.

I think some of you have some issue against Aftab. Give him a few more innings before you judge him.

I do remember the Sri Lanka tour and Rajin did struggle there. But he also had to face Murali, Vaas, Malinga and Fernando in Sri Lanka which I would argue is a little more of a challenging bowling attack than that of New Zeland's. Also before the three ducks, Rajin had scored 21 and 51 in his last two innings.

Aftab has also had two ducks in his last two innigs and before that he had scored 18,18 and 17 in his three previous innings.

And you are right, I do have an issue against Aftab... and the issue is that he is not mentally geared for Test cricket. The talent is there as I've mentionned before. But he seems like he's playing for himself not the team. That's why he gets out in the worse of times, before lunch or tea, because this isn't the first time that he did this. Aftab cannot build partnerships and play a slow and steady innings and this is our biggest problem in Test matches. And Rajin is better at facing more balls and grafting an inning and building a patnership so he's a much better option for us in the test matches.

BD-Shardul
January 7, 2008, 03:20 AM
প্রবলেম সুতায় ত ভাই প্রবলেম দেখি দিন দিন বৃদ্ধি পাচ্ছে। :-D :D

karimjay.
January 7, 2008, 04:28 AM
Good to see alot of discussion here.

What's talent without temperment?

Alastair Cook, Dravid, Attapattu and co are all successful players.. but talent? They just have a terrific mindset.

This is while players such as Afridi and etc defintely has a better array of strokes, a brilliant eye and etc, but stay out of the test team.

Thats our Aftab too. Maturity comes naturally... I say keep him out of the test team and let the kid want test cricket enough to be more versatile.

abu2abu
January 7, 2008, 04:42 AM
I tried to find you video of the 82* Aftab scored in the 2nd Test in England (but no luck on youtube or google video). This was against England's to-be Ashes winning bowling attack. Rajin couldn't play that innings even if he agreed to a Faustian bargain using the last few locks of his thinning pate as payment!

I too was impressed by that performance (I saw it live). However, to be fair, that was almost three years ago now...How has aftab built on that performance? Very little I think most people would agree...In fact, I doubt he's even come close to that sort of scroe in tests since..

karimjay.
January 7, 2008, 05:01 AM
He hasnt.. but admittedly that could be because he hasn't had opportunity..

zainab
January 7, 2008, 07:05 AM
Aftab is out of form, no doubt, maybe he lacks confidence at the moment. I dont think that he will be selected for the 2nd Test, he has to find his form again and regain his confidence, this has happened to many good batsmen and the person to sort him out is Jamie Siddons who no doubt has recognized Aftab's talent.

cricket_king
January 7, 2008, 07:30 AM
I really wouldn't change the team for this second test. Aftab deserves another go. Let's see how he goes.

abu2abu
January 7, 2008, 08:56 AM
And I expect that's what siddons will do. he's the sort of coach who'd give the same guys the chance to redeem themselves...

Ahmed_B
January 7, 2008, 10:24 AM
Why not as a replacement of Aftab??? What the hell has Aftab done in the last test match that makes him sooo irreplacable for the next match??? Please explain.
Simple!
You dont drop a probable top-class batsman just after 1 match when he is returning to Test Cricket after 18 months. Aftab is one of the most fearless players in the team. Not being able to consist with him for a few matches on return.. will only be a knee-jerk reaction from the selectors at best.

karimjay.
January 8, 2008, 06:19 AM
Top class?

We're abit optimistic today aren't we?

We already have fearless, now we need cautious.

You'd never pick eleven Afridis even in an ODI would you?