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One World
January 5, 2008, 09:40 PM
Based on performance and commitment,

1. Tamim
2. Zunaed
3. Nafis
4. Ash
5. Rajin
6. Bashar
7. Rahim
8. Farhad
9. Sajidul
10. Mashrafe
11. Enamul

sandpiper
January 5, 2008, 09:49 PM
Agreed.

shaad
January 5, 2008, 09:52 PM
Just curious, One World, any particular reason you would be willing to let Hablu have another go?

BanCricFan
January 5, 2008, 09:56 PM
tamim
zunaid
nafees
ash
shakib
rajin
mushfiq
enamul
shahadat
sajid
mash

djnaved
January 5, 2008, 09:58 PM
Based on performance and commitment,

1. Tamim
2. Zunaed
3. Nafis
4. Ash
5. Rajin
6. Bashar
7. Rahim
8. Farhad
9. Sajidul
10. Mashrafe
11. Enamul

strange! how come did you pic bashar and enamul? Also, if ash was not a captain i would drop him.As he a captain he didn't realize the importance of not throwing wicket. if pilot get the call, let him play instead of musfique.we want players who can led the match into 5 days.we want players who don't want to through their wickets. jimmi siddons should have to think about it.

Zunaid
January 5, 2008, 09:59 PM
Drop Bashar - bring in Rajin. Have Aftab come in at #3.

1. Tamim
2. Zunaed
3. Aftab
4. Nafis
5. Ash
6. Rajin
7. Rahim
8. Shahadat
9. Sajidul
10. Mashrafe
11. Enamul

Tigers_eye
January 5, 2008, 09:59 PM
Just curious, One World, any particular reason you would be willing to let Hablu have another go?
Shaad bhai 3k run hoi nai ekhono. That was the reason for the selectors to select him in the first place. 13 na 14 run baki.

Eshen
January 5, 2008, 10:02 PM
Tamim
Zunaed
SN
Ash
Aftab
Mushfiq
Farhad
Razzak
Mashrafe
Sajed
Shahadat

BD Tigers
January 5, 2008, 10:04 PM
Based on performance and commitment,

1. Tamim
2. Zunaed
3. Nafis
4. Ash
5. Rajin
6. Bashar
7. Rahim
8. Farhad
9. Sajidul
10. Mashrafe
11. Enamul

agreed with yr team except I'd put Bashar at 5 and Rajin at 6. Bashar always had good partnership w/ Ash. We really cant play 4 genuine bowlers. Need to have extra batsman, thats why Farhad is in place of Shahadat.

One World
January 5, 2008, 10:05 PM
Just curious, One World, any particular reason you would be willing to let Hablu have another go?

We have Bashar or Shakib. I think Bashar was unlucky today and Shakib seems totally clueless about NZ attack (in ODI's). Also at number 6, the way he is batting he can produce something around ~20 in both innings.

strange! how come did you pic bashar and enamul? Also, if ash was not a captain i would drop him. if pilot get the call, let him play instead of musfique.we want players who can led the match into 5 days. jimmi siddons should have to think about it.

Enamul is an automatic choice as he is the only designated spinner in the current squad. Can you call a player in the middle of a series? I doubt it is possible unless there is some severe reason like injury or personal problem.

Mahir
January 5, 2008, 10:05 PM
Drop Bashar - bring in Rajin. Have Aftab come in at #3.

1. Tamim
2. Zunaed
3. Aftab
4. Nafis
5. Ash
6. Rajin
7. Rahim
8. Shahadat
9. Sajidul
10. Mashrafe
11. Enamul

Ditto :up: although I would rather have Ashraful come in at no.3, followed by Nafees, Rajin and Aftab.

djnaved
January 5, 2008, 10:20 PM
Enamul is an automatic choice as he is the only designated spinner in the current squad. Can you call a player in the middle of a series? I doubt it is possible unless there is some severe reason like injury or personal problem.

You are kidding me. Don't we have abdur Rajjak?.. In the test match, i saw nothing from enamul, no turn, no bowling variation. even ashrfaul got some better turn than enamul. if there is no bowling variation or turn, how you are going to take wicket?

shaad
January 5, 2008, 10:26 PM
Shaad bhai 3k run hoi nai ekhono. That was the reason for the selectors to select him in the first place. 13 na 14 run baki.

Kintu je hare khelche, oi tero-choddo run korteo to becharar dui-tinta match lagte pare. Amra ki sheta afford korte pari?

al Furqaan
January 5, 2008, 10:27 PM
1 - tamim
2 - junaid
3 - aftab (he's too talented, and we will have to persist with him like ash...he will learn)
4 - ash
5 - SN
6 - rajin
7 - mushy
8 - mash
9 - shahadat
10 - sajid
11 - enam

Pundit
January 5, 2008, 10:29 PM
My team for T2 with batting order:

TIqbal
JSiddique
H Bashar (w/ severe spanking from Jamie) - I want to see those scars exposed
Ashraful Matin
SNafees
A AHmed
M Rahim
MMortaza
Enamul H
Shahadat H
Sajidul

djnaved
January 5, 2008, 10:32 PM
team for second test

tamim
junayed
Nafees
Ashraful
Sakib [ picked him because he has the capability to stay at the crease for a long time plus his spin bowling]
Farhad
Rajin
Musfique
Rajjak
Mashrafee
Sajidul

bowlers: mash,sajid,rajjak,sakib and farhad [part time: ash and rajin]
batsman: tamim, Big Z, nafees, ash,sakib, farhad, mushfique, rajin

this can be the best team.. i believe

One World
January 5, 2008, 10:34 PM
You are kidding me. Don't we have abdur Rajjak?.. In the test match, i saw nothing from enamul, no turn, no bowling variation. even ashrfaul got some better turn than enamul. if there is no bowling variation or turn, how you are going to take wicket?

I am not kidding sir. Please do some research on Wellington ground and both of their test career. Beside we all know AR does not possess the temperament for longer version - some players are like that, we have to live with it.

djnaved
January 5, 2008, 10:40 PM
alright if enamul got the temperment so he could take atleast 2 wickets in the 1st test. he could turn the bowl. i know that enamul got much better turn than rajjak. but i saw nothing special from him.You should see ash's bowling. how come he got turn and with nice variation. it's like bowling a 11 years old kid temperment. we need wicket taking bowlers.

Gowza
January 5, 2008, 10:47 PM
I am not kidding sir. Please do some research on Wellington ground and both of their test career. Beside we all know AR does not possess the temperament for longer version - some players are like that, we have to live with it.

yes despite aftab's talent i'm starting to think he's just a waste of time in this test team. might be better to bring in someone like nazimuddin or ehsanul or both into this middle order. whatever they do keep tamim and junaid as a partnerhsip because they've been the best of this tour despite their inexperience and even though i may think they're not ready to be consistently successful in test cricket just yet, while they're playing like this there is no reason to break them apart.

but tbh i don't think changing the team will really make much of a difference, at least not with the squad that's out there. i mean if they really wanted to look for the future they may as well dump habibul and bring in shakib or rajin and being that aftab's not in any great form it wouldn't matter if they dropped him and brought in rajin or shakib to replace him just to give them a match but it depends on their long term plan for the team and who they grooming to be there for the long term.

DotBall
January 6, 2008, 01:17 AM
Why not go with the same team we had. If my memory serves right I don't think a different selection resulted any better performance by our team. I rather we stick with the same team and let the players rectify their mistakes and gain experience.

Murad
January 6, 2008, 01:22 AM
Only change I want to see is Farhad coming in for Bashar. Aftab should stay despite the pair.

Rajin will struggle a lot against Martin's swings. I wish there was someone else in place of Mushfique.

Murad
January 6, 2008, 01:27 AM
alright if enamul got the temperment so he could take atleast 2 wickets in the 1st test. he could turn the bowl. i know that enamul got much better turn than rajjak. but i saw nothing special from him.You should see ash's bowling. how come he got turn and with nice variation. it's like bowling a 11 years old kid temperment. we need wicket taking bowlers.

It's not always important to take wickets. It's important to check the run rate and then wickets will come its own. Enam playing international cricket after a long gap. So he needs timeto settle. I think he did well, he didn't give many runs. Its just he didn't get any wickets plus there was nothign for the spinners. Vettory got the wickets because of our bastmens' mistake. Razzak is a ODI bowler. He proved it against Australia.

You really have some issue against some players.It's like you have issues against the whole team. You had issue against Ashraful, Aftab and now Enamul then who knows who you comes up with.

Grow up man. Keep your hatres within yourself. Players don't go to the middle to get out. They go there to make runs. Its their bad luck that they struggling. And we the fans, have to stand beside them.

Electrequiem
January 6, 2008, 01:29 AM
Here's my team:

Tamim
Zunaed
Ash
Tamim II
Zunaed II
Ash II
Tamim III
Zunaed III
Ash III
Sajedul
Mashrafe

bulbul_fan
January 6, 2008, 01:37 AM
remove bashar and aftab nd bring back farhad and rajin
look at bashars attitude..he is like taking revenge on ash because he is not the captain now..
we dont want plrs of such attitde..

wiseshah
January 6, 2008, 01:40 AM
doesnt matter what team u select, they will lose. i am tired of selecting team and watching BD score every 5 minutes. Bd players are hopeless. The worst in the world, even worst than kenya, no consistency. i am sure if they play with zimbabwe now, they will lose.

wiseshah
January 6, 2008, 01:42 AM
yes despite aftab's talent i'm starting to think he's just a waste of time in this test team. might be better to bring in someone like nazimuddin or ehsanul or both into this middle order. whatever they do keep tamim and junaid as a partnerhsip because they've been the best of this tour despite their inexperience and even though i may think they're not ready to be consistently successful in test cricket just yet, while they're playing like this there is no reason to break them apart.

but tbh i don't think changing the team will really make much of a difference, at least not with the squad that's out there. i mean if they really wanted to look for the future they may as well dump habibul and bring in shakib or rajin and being that aftab's not in any great form it wouldn't matter if they dropped him and brought in rajin or shakib to replace him just to give them a match but it depends on their long term plan for the team and who they grooming to be there for the long term.


gowza, i see u add two more players in your fav list. anyway, how is simon katich playing in domestic league this days

Navarene
January 6, 2008, 01:51 AM
My pick:

Tamim (jeetey raho betey)
Zunaed (jeetey raho betey)
Ashraful (the best batsman who should come at 3)
Rajin (he is solid than Aftab, with a handy off break in addition)
Shahriar Nafees (not the best spot for him to bat, but no other choice)
Aftab (he deserves another chance..he will come back with a bang, mark my word)
Musfiqur (wish he could do judgement to his batting)
Mashrafe (in excellent touch now)
Shahadat (hope he finds his rhythm in 2nd Test)
Sajedul (wonder boy)
Razzak (a big NO NO to Enam)

7 specialist batsman on a row with 3 pacers and one spinner
I feel sorry for HaBa, but no worry, I will score the rest 14/15 runs by playing some para cricket to fill in his 3k landmark

Gowza
January 6, 2008, 01:52 AM
gowza, i see u add two more players in your fav list. anyway, how is simon katich playing in domestic league this days

yeah i thought since i was on a BD forum i should at least put my fav BD player up there. katich is going great guns this season, he's the leading run scorer is the pura cup this season. he scored a triple century early in the season and hasn't looked back really. he's got 3 centuries and 5 half centuries at an average of 109.75 in 6 matches (9 innings).

in the one-day comp he's not doing quite as well but is averaging 49.20 with 4 half centuries.

Sauron
January 6, 2008, 01:56 AM
The only change should be - HaBa goes home and Farhad takes his place. Other than that, keep the same team.

Whomever are asking for HaBa, enroll in cricket 101.

Fortuner
January 6, 2008, 01:58 AM
no way should we take aftab...he jst wants to party fast...
drop him ...take rajin.....
drop bashar and bring jo!!!

djnaved
January 6, 2008, 02:13 AM
It's not always important to take wickets. It's important to check the run rate and then wickets will come its own. Enam playing international cricket after a long gap. So he needs timeto settle. I think he did well, he didn't give many runs. Its just he didn't get any wickets plus there was nothign for the spinners. Razzak is a ODI bowler. He proved it against Australia.

You really have some issue against some players.It's like you have issues against the whole team. You had issue against Ashraful, Aftab and now Enamul then who knows who you comes up with.

Grow up man. Keep your hatres within yourself. Players don't go to the middle to get out. They go there to make runs. Its their bad luck that they struggling. And we the fans, have to stand beside them.

bro, test cricket has a different temperment.it's very hard to take wicket. Batsman can stay at the crease whole day long and can score 30 runs a day , you have to look for wickets rather than checking runs. in odi you have to check runs rather than taking wicket. what enam did was he bowled outside of the legstamp... without turn.Ash got much better turn and that's why he picked up 2 wickets.. comenttetors were appreciating him.you have to be clever if there's nothing in the wickets for spinner. you should look rafiq's performance that even the pitch has nothing for spinners, still he could pick up wickets.


Do you know why i am having issue with ash and aftab? Cause they are the main key players of bangladesh. they are experienced. Still, i see no regular performance from them. they are sticking with 20's and 30's and a average of 20. Why is that happen? 4 6 er mairer cheye 1 to 1 single nia 50 korar onek dam ache. Do you know india's Irphan Pathan is much better batsman than them? You have to believe that.

BD-Shardul
January 6, 2008, 02:23 AM
Ei shob team change kore ki lab? The result will remain same-another day another thrashing. Jei lau, shei kodu.

Nasif
January 6, 2008, 02:55 AM
Shaad bhai 3k run hoi nai ekhono. That was the reason for the selectors to select him in the first place. 13 na 14 run baki.

For those 14 runs he needs another 3 tests.

Here is what he will make in those:
0 1, 3 0, 10 0

:notworthy:

nahaz
January 6, 2008, 03:08 AM
I would ideally have the same team for the second match. Because it is a bit hard to judge a player by one match onl. Two players really annoyed me in this match, Bashar and Aftab. Both played non-sense. But I don't get why everyone here is bashing Bashar and noone's saying anything about Aftab. The way he got out the over before lunch is a huge crime.Definitely should be punished. He has not succeeded in any match to date barring one innings. Only problem...noone that promising is here. Rajin can be given a chance...but I'd rather have Kapali in for next series-better stroke maker- so no use giving him a go for one match if we don't persist with him.Bashar showed in the 1st innings he can make some runs,and still is expeienced. I'd give him his last chance next test to at least show some common
sense.

nahaz
January 6, 2008, 03:09 AM
By the way, Shahriar Nafees should come in at no. 3 next match with Bashar at 5. No other change for now

Antora
January 6, 2008, 03:16 AM
Based on performance and commitment,

1. Tamim
2. Zunaed
3. Nafis
4. Ash
5. Rajin
6. Bashar
7. Rahim
8. Farhad
9. Sajidul
10. Mashrafe
11. Enamul

i like your team.. BUT i dont want the Haba Goba in my team! and instead of enamul i would want Razz!!

Foozy
January 6, 2008, 03:30 AM
I wished we had pilot here, Mushy seems out of form

Once the first wicket falls, all of our wickets fall! One reason I think it is, is because there are too many "dashing batsmen" in the team. Its like the whole team is "too dashing to win!" I think Rajin would not be so dashing, and he can score. Hes a good batsman. Haba can get his 3000 runs at a later match. 12 runs can come any time.

Sakib can spin, and any extra runs for us here is like finding gold. Sakib is also a batsman who can be tried yet again! Enam is not finding spin here any ways and not getting any wickets here.

Farhad is the perfect replacement for Aftab at the moment as he is not finding his rhythm. This guy can bowl useful medium pace, and can bat pretty decent.

Shahadat is one of the few good test bowlers we have that always gives in his all unlike Mash, who is actually the better bowler.

Sajidul is just part of the trio of debutants here who are showing wonders this tour!

I guess those are the main controversies that we may be having out here. So here is my team.

tamim
junayed
Rajin
Ashraful
Nafees
Sakib
Farhad
Musfique
Shahadat
Mashrafee
Sajidul

djnaved
January 6, 2008, 03:35 AM
i like your team:)

Shaan
January 6, 2008, 04:51 AM
team for second test

tamim
junayed
Nafees
Ashraful
Sakib [ picked him because he has the capability to stay at the crease for a long time plus his spin bowling]
Farhad
Rajin
Musfique
Rajjak
Mashrafee
Sajidul

bowlers: mash,sajid,rajjak,sakib and farhad [part time: ash and rajin]
batsman: tamim, Big Z, nafees, ash,sakib, farhad, mushfique, rajin

this can be the best team.. i believe

bai apni mone hoy ajkal cricket kom dekhen , apni ki kore bollen Shakib longer version player, staying crease long time. O pula-tho bat niye tik vabe crease darathei parena, prottek delivery or bater kuna-kanay lage r run hoy. He has got weird and most improper batting stance a I have ever seen. Sakib's balling nothing much special for test.

mahbubH
January 6, 2008, 04:53 AM
I want Shakib back in the 11 in place of HaBa or Aftab. SN should bat at no 3.

Foozy
January 6, 2008, 04:54 AM
i like your team:)

Thanks bro. The only problem in this team is that there is no genuine spinner. It is basically relying on Sakib, Ash and Rajin. But the point is that we cant even reach till day 4 or 5. That is basically when we need one.

The change that can allow for that is to trade Sajidul for Enamul. (I honestly don't think Razzak is a wicket taking bowler, and in tests, we need to take those 20 wickets! Being economical won't do). I don't think I am ready to compensate any batsmen for any other genuine spin bowler unless it is Rafiq who isn't available now.

Mahmood
January 6, 2008, 04:56 AM
Bashar was the best batsman for a long time, he is off form, but he can spark anytime. He stays.

I wish we could bench Mushfiq but alas, no Pilot in the current squad.

Aftab should be replaced with Rajin. Enamul should be replaced with Razzak, I can bet Razzak will get at least one wicket and score at least one double digit innings.

Shaan
January 6, 2008, 04:57 AM
Based on performance and commitment,

1. Tamim
2. Zunaed
3. Nafis
4. Ash
5. Rajin
6. Bashar
7. Rahim
8. Farhad
9. Sajidul
10. Mashrafe
11. Enamul

Like your team but in Haba's place Rajib should play

nobody
January 6, 2008, 04:58 AM
those who are against HaBa - he is in terminal demise but still he was the second highest scorer in first innings when we lost the game. The question should be why we would persist with Aftab. It is already he neither have a brain not have the luck at least which Haba in first innings. Ideally I would go with this team but I know there would be change and I prefer Reza in place of Aftab

cricket_pagol
January 6, 2008, 06:51 AM
Farhad: Since we are playing three pacers, there is no reason to pick farhad.

BAshar: Like it or not, hablu is going to get another chance... after his failures hopefully he will retire. I would like to see him succeed because we have not found a replacement for bashar in test matches yet.

Rajin won't make any difference, he is not good with the moving ball.

Aftab: I think aftab should be dropped for this game. Aftab has been very disappointing, even though we have been very patient with him. There is simply no sign of learning in his game!

Play sakib or mehrab: I would play either Sakib or Mehrab in his place. I think mehrab was sent back to bangladesh.

Sovik
January 6, 2008, 06:53 AM
rajin for haba and sakib for aftab and rest of the team remain same

Nafi
January 6, 2008, 07:15 AM
One change I will opt out Rajin for Shahadat. We need two experienced test fast bowlers.

1. Tamim
2. Zunaed
3. Nafis
4. Ash
5.Bashar
6. Rahim
7. Farhad/Sakib
8. Mashrafe
9. Shahadat
10. Sajidul
11. Enamul

Agreed

abu2abu
January 6, 2008, 07:34 AM
I would only make one change, rajin for aftab/Haba.

Shariah nafees should bat at 3.

Though Enamul haque didn't take many wickets he was very economical and caused the kiwi batsmen problems. He should be retained...

Sohel
January 6, 2008, 07:35 AM
Just "recovered" from the early happenings. I'll go with the same XI I WANTED for the first test HERE (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=595023#post595023). The batting order will change from what is quoted below.

1. Tamim Iqbal: Improved almost every aspect of his batting in the NCL with results in New Zealand. He is also the Coach's choice from what I gather.

2. Zunaed Siddique: Very special, grammatically correct player who sees the quick ones early and knows what to do with them using the middle of the bat. He has looked very calm and comfortable in the middle and knows what deliveries to leave and how to leave them cleanly. He won't be hurried in tests and I expect him to score the runs he couldn't in ODIs. I'm looking forward to his elegant strokeplay and temperament. Personally, I'd love to have others see what I see in him and remove all doubts. He is also the Coach's choice from what I gather.

3. Mohammad Ashraful: Our best batsman. He can lead and consolidate without being stuck in a shell and inviting unnecessary pressure upon his team.

The Coach has been led to believe that HaBa is a "proven player of short balls" and wants to play him here. GOOD, let him see Mr. 3000 for what he has become and familiarize himself with his compulsions before getting him out of our hair. HaBa is not in my XI but he is in the Coach's, hopefully for the last time.

4. Aftab Ahmed: I think he will surprise many skeptics with his temperament, some of which he flashed in patches during the ODI series.

5. Shahriar Nafees: I think he was better off playing more NCL matches and having a brief hiatus at the junior International circuit before trying to find his rhythm back at the highest level as a top order batsman, but since he's already here, I'd try him at #5 over HaBa any day. As a player who has early difficulty with genuine pace, swing, bounce and movement, I'd rather see him play older balls.

6. Mushfiqur Rahim: Totally out of form but we don't really have an alternative, do we? I hope his temperament pulls him through.

7. Farhad Reza: Like Zunaed, he has looked comfortable with the bat, especially under tough circumstances. He may have gifted his wicket like a male bimbo in the last ODI, but facts are facts. He IS in better form than one of my favorite players Shakib, and has demonstrated the ability to learn quickly, improve every aspect of his game, and continue to push past his limitations.

8. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza: My fingers are crossed. I'd have Razzak bat here, move Mash down to #9 and bench Sajid under different conditions.

9. Sajidul Islam: He can bat a bit and I think he'll surprise us all in a good way.

10. Shahadat Hossain: Strokeless but can hold his own.

11. Enamul Haque Jr: Strokeless but can hold his own.

All 3 debutants justified their selection. Enam bowled extremely well but didn't get wickets. It was great to see Mashrafe on his way back with the ball, but batting-wise, he needs to switch places with Sajid. Shahadat's bowling was a bit off in terms of what he's capable of doing, so I'll have him in as the 3rd seamer.

HaBa was unlucky to get out the way he did, but he never looked comfortable in the middle and always looked just a delivery away from returning to the dressing room.

Abir looked good under unfamiliar but tough circumstances and his temperament exceeded my expectations. His defense was as, if not more solid than I've EVER seen, so I'll move him up to number 4 and yes, put Aftab down at number 5. Ash sees the new to newish ball earlier than Abir and needs to be in at #3 just in case Tamim and the Big Z, also early seers of the new ball fail to give us a good start. On the other hand, if they do give us a good start of 30 plus overs and the ball wear loses its shine, then I'll have Abir in at #3 instead of Ash.

I will persist with Aftab no matter what at this point, just as I will persist with Ash, Tamim, Zunaed and Mash will the ball.

Mushy's positional keeping, meaning playing the angle and the line of the ball with his whole body instead of just purely relying on his reflexes, was really impressive. His batting needs to match his temperament. He cannot play short deliveries or good pace in the low 140s well, so the idea of having him in at #3 is not a good one IMHO.

Lastly, I hope Ash, Aftab and also HaBa understand the importance of at least one big score in domestic cricket, simply because the best way to practice the sport is actually by playing it in the middle. Then again, look at Shakib for GOD's sake. I'm looking forward to Coach Siddons getting a good look at scrappy and useful players in the Rana-mould like Abul Bashar, arguably also the best fielder in the NCL, and the talented but enigmatic Nafees Iqbal and Alok Kapali before the Proteas come to town. Technically sound and calm Imrul Kayes and the veteran Ehsanul Haque, much improved technically from what I've seen this year, deserves a good look also. I don't think Mohammad Nazimuddin's Tushar-esque footwork will impress the Coach at this point, but he, alongside Mehrab Hossain Jr, Nazmus Sadat, Imtiaz Hossain, Nazmul Hossain Milon, Golam Mabud, Golam Rahman, Dhiman Ghosh, Nayeem Islam and Ghazi Salhuddin needs to be brought into his development plan for the future.

Shaan
January 6, 2008, 08:02 AM
Just "recovered" from the early happenings. I'll go with the same XI I WANTED for the first test HERE (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?p=595023#post595023). The batting order will change from what is quoted below.



All 3 debutants justified their selection. Enam bowled extremely well but didn't get wickets. It was great to see Mashrafe on his way back with the ball, but batting-wise, he needs to switch places with Sajid. Shahadat's bowling was a bit off in terms of what he's capable of doing, so I'll have him in as the 3rd seamer.

HaBa was unlucky to get out the way he did, but he never looked comfortable in the middle and always looked just a delivery away from returning to the dressing room.

Abir looked good under unfamiliar but tough circumstances and his temperament exceeded my expectations. His defense was as if not more solid than I've EVER seen, so I'll move him up to number 4 and yes, put Aftab down at number 5. Ash sees the new to newish ball earlier than Abir and needs to be in at #3 just in case Tamim and the Big Z, also early seers of the new ball fail to give us a good start. On the other hand, if they do give us a good start of 30 plus overs and the ball wear loses its shine, then I'll have Abir in at #3 instead of Ash.

I will persist with Aftab no matter what at this point, just as I will persist with Ash, Tamim, Zunaed and Mash will the ball.

Mushy's positional keeping, meaning playing the angle and the line of the ball with his whole body instead of just purely relying on his reflexes, was really impressive. His batting needs to match his temperament. He cannot play short deliveries or good pace in the low 140s well, so the idea of having him in at #3 is not a good one IMHO.

Lastly, I hope Ash, Aftab and also HaBa understand the importance of at least one big score in domestic cricket, simply because the best way to practice the sport is actually by playing it in the middle. Then again, look at Shakib for GOD's sake. I'm looking forward to Coach Siddons getting a good look at scrappy and useful players in the Rana-mould like Abul Bashar, arguably also the best fielder in the NCL, and the talented but enigmatic Nafees Iqbal and Alok Kapali before the Proteas come to town. Technically sound and calm Imrul Kayes and the veteran Ehsanul Haque, much improved technically from what I've seen this year, deserves a good look also. I don't think Mohammad Nazimuddin's Tushar-esque footwork willnot impress the Coach at this point, but he, alongside Nazmus Sadat, Imtiaz Hossain, Nazmul Hossain Milon, Golam Mabud, Golam Rahman, Dhiman Ghosh, Nayeem Islam and Ghazi Salhuddin needs to be brought into his development plan for the future.

Sohel bai I agree with your comments most but in case of Aftab, don't you think he is technically suffering in test arena. At least from this test performance he never looked comfortable out there. And Sakib really disappointed us, he should develop a lot his bating technique and standing stance. Yeah I also think that Alok and Nafees Iqbal has got lots in them to be considered in for South Africas visit in Bd.

bdchamp20
January 6, 2008, 08:06 AM
Shahriar
Junaed
Mushfiq
Tamim
Ashraful
Bashar
Shakib
Mashrafe
Razzak
Sajedul
Shahadat

Sohel
January 6, 2008, 08:19 AM
Sohel bai I agree with your comments most but in case of Aftab, don't you think he is technically suffering in test arena. At least from this test performance he never looked comfortable out there. And Sakib really disappointed us, he should develop a lot his bating technique and standing stance. Yeah I also think that Alok and Nafees Iqbal has got lots in them to be considered in for South Africas visit in Bd.

I see your point only too well but sadly, given the team we have in NZ, I'd persist with Aftab and his overall talent which sadly does NOT include cricketing maturiry. The combination of his footwork and strokemaking is lightyears ahead of Rajin Saleh's, the alternative. Instead of Rajin shuffling around in the crease and inviting LBWs, blocking half-volley and full-tosses and flaunting the inability to rotate the strike, I'd persist with Aftab and hope that his Coach and Captain help him remove some the mental block and technical deficiencies with regards to judging the line and length of flighted deliveries.

Rajin is worse with that sort of judgement and cannot play the line and fuller length of those flighted deliveries with frontfoot defense. Backfoot defense against any kind of spin is suicide even if Murali's not the source of those deliveries. Besides replacing a strokeful :duck::duck: with a strokeless :duck::duck::duck: (his last 3 at bat, if I'm not mistaken) with "better mental fortitude" is not the way to go IMHO. It won't make that much of a difference in the end but Aftab, jodi laigga jay, can give us the runs Rajin can't without creating pressure on himself and his team. It is still about the runs on the board at the end of the day. That said, I can live with Rajin in the final XI ONLY in light of his better NCL performances, now that Mehrab, a much better frontfoot player of flight variations and good rotator of the strike, isn't an option anymore.

Shakib, one of my favorite players, a favoritism I am still proud to fluant, continues to break my heart.

Moshin
January 6, 2008, 08:55 AM
My selection for 2nd Test v New Zealand:
Openers: Tamim Iqbal, Junaed Siddique
Middle-order: Rajin Saleh, Shahriar Nafees, Mohammed Ashraful (c), Farhad Reza, Mushfiqur Rahim (wk)
Bowlers: Mashrafe Mortaza, Sajidul Islam, Shahadat Hossain, Abdur Razzak

- Now guys you have to admit my squad is the best aint it? I mean Habibul and Aftab gone from the squad, Rajin & Reza back in, and best for Enamul to sit out, and you have to admit Ashraful plays best when he's at number 5 in the batting!!! I hope the selectors browse through our suggestions.

Rubu
January 6, 2008, 10:46 AM
Replace Bashar with Rajin and Replace Enamul with Shakib. Let aftab come at #3.

BanCricFan
January 6, 2008, 11:34 AM
Replace Bashar with Rajin and Replace Enamul with Shakib. Let aftab come at #3.

...and get out promptly.

Tigers_eye
January 6, 2008, 11:48 AM
Kintu je hare khelche, oi tero-choddo run korteo to becharar dui-tinta match lagte pare. Amra ki sheta afford korte pari?
We must and we will. Record boilay ekta kotha. Didn't you know even with his last two years off form BCB signed A grade contract with him for one year? Jodi dosh/egaro match lagey so be it. Bd would have one 3k player. woohoo!! Go bashar go!!

Kotha gula lekhtey amar khub kostho hoitasay kintu ki korbo...

If BCB wanted to give some financial assistance to Bashar why not retirement plan? Hai ray Bangladesh!! Performance manay what he had done over the career. 30 Ave woooh!! Not what he can do now.

Ahmed_B
January 6, 2008, 12:10 PM
Just a few comments on discussion so far:
Aftab: I still am not convinced that he wont click. He wil do just fine in 2nd Test I believe.
Bashar: Selectors rely on him. They wont drop him just after 1 match.
Enamul: He is just fine too. Bowling 22 overs @ 2.59 Econ.. isnt bad at all!

ASA
January 6, 2008, 12:34 PM
HaBa and Aftab out ... Rajin and Farhad in. As simple as that ...

Rajin is a natural test player, if he's in form - there's no reason why he should be left out. On the other hand, Aftab is natural for ODIs and T20s ... I wonder what some of you see to still keep him in your squads.

Instead of Farhad, you might prefer Shakib ... but he wasn't very solid in the ODIs.

ASA
January 6, 2008, 12:38 PM
Just a few comments on discussion so far:
Aftab: I still am not convinced that he wont click. He wil do just fine in 2nd Test I believe.
Bashar: Selectors rely on him. They wont drop him just after 1 match.
Enamul: He is just fine too. Bowling 22 overs @ 2.59 Econ.. isnt bad at all!

Aftab: I am convinced. The only thing he'll try after he comes to crease is the fastest way to a boundary ... and he all have seen how that worked out recently. (Rajin is a natural replacement for him at 3 or 4 down)

HaBa: You're right ... inspite of all the stupidity, the selectors show more stupidity to rely on him. All I can recommend is to make him come at 5 or 6 down. And bring SN or MR in 3 or 4 down.

Enamul: The boy tries - but he's unable to turn in NZ, unfortunately.

djnaved
January 6, 2008, 12:39 PM
Enamul: He is just fine too. Bowling 22 overs @ 2.59 Econ.. isnt bad at all!

well, if he could take atleast 1 wicket that would not be a bad performance.. but he took none.. if you were the coach.. do you still pick him for the 2nd test? I don't get it. I think no world great coach would do that.

tiger_omar
January 7, 2008, 03:05 AM
Tamim
Zunaid
Nafees
Ash
Bashar (if he doesn't perform, please make 14 runs and make this your last test match.)
Rajin
Mushfiq
Mashrafe
Enamul
Shadat
Sajedul

zainab
January 7, 2008, 07:59 AM
It does not matter who they choose, they always go dowhill in the tour. In my opinion, even if the match lasted 3 days, they did not lose by an innings defeat.
They won the 20/20 match and then went slowly downhill in the 3 ODIs, might happen in the second test match unless they put up a better showing in the first innings.
\I hope Ash wins the toss.

arifur81
January 7, 2008, 08:37 AM
The question is do we have players who can play test cricket or even cricket? if yes,Then we can list the names, these people BD team have, to me they are bunch of jokers not players.

Haider
January 7, 2008, 08:59 AM
guyz why bother??? u think doing anything to the team gonna bring a diff result??? Leave em the way it is.. they won't become superstars overnight.. LEt the series finish.. Let Jammie Siddon sit down.. cook up some plan and start coaching the living crap out of these players.. and maybe next series we can all have fun... just a thought.

sipon
January 7, 2008, 09:20 AM
Based on performance and commitment,

1. Tamim
2. Zunaed
3. Nafis
4. Ash
5. Rajin
6. Bashar
7. Rahim
8. Farhad
9. Sajidul
10. Mashrafe
11. Enamul


bro your team without a shaddat thats cant be a team , and you chosee sajidul who played just only one test . and his speed is per ball 126 km which is any batsman can face very easily.

abu2abu
January 7, 2008, 02:52 PM
Having read other people's views, i think it would be wise to stick with aftab bur pick rajin for Haba.

However, the coach isn't going to do that, and the same XI will take the field on saturday...He's the sort of coach who will give the players the chance to redeem themselves...

rashed_va
January 7, 2008, 03:07 PM
I don't think Rajin is in NZ or will be - plz correct me if I am wrong - also Shakib, Razzak might have already left.

Tamim
Junaid
SN
Ash
........................ to be honest, thats all we can count on .....
Aftab (I don't think we have an alternate on hand at the moment)
Farhad
Mush
Mash
Shahadat
Enamul
Sajidul

PLEASE NO HABLU!!!!

rashed_va
January 7, 2008, 03:09 PM
guyz why bother??? u think doing anything to the team gonna bring a diff result??? Leave em the way it is.. they won't become superstars overnight.. LEt the series finish.. Let Jammie Siddon sit down.. cook up some plan and start coaching the living crap out of these players.. and maybe next series we can all have fun... just a thought.

No plan will work with Bashar - that is given. Otherwise, I agree with you. Beside having Farhad will give us an extra bowler.

sadi
January 7, 2008, 03:52 PM
I don't think Rajin is in NZ or will be - plz correct me if I am wrong - also Shakib, Razzak might have already left.


Mentally not sure but physically all three of them are present in New Zealand.

BANFAN
January 7, 2008, 04:21 PM
I wish anyone in this wolrd knew what combination will work to make our team play as a team. I have a suggestion, why not do a lottery and who ever is lucky will be in the team, probably that will also keep the lucky one in and the unlucky one out. We need a lots of luck to play our natural game. it is hard to change nature in short notice.

Murad
January 7, 2008, 04:22 PM
Mentally not sure but physically all three of them are present in New Zealand.

lolz...

Murad
January 7, 2008, 04:25 PM
I think we should go with the same team. Bashar should be rested though. I propose Farhad to come in for him. Or Rajin (his last 3 innings are ducks).

pilot fan
January 7, 2008, 04:37 PM
one change rajin in for aftab

FagunerAgun
January 7, 2008, 04:38 PM
Shahriar
Junaed
Mushfiq
Tamim
Ashraful
Bashar
Shakib
Mashrafe
Razzak
Sajedul
Shahadat

I agree.:D

Beamer
January 7, 2008, 10:54 PM
I think we will see an unchanged team going to the second test for a lack of better alternatives. Batting positions might change though. I don't think Siddons will give Aftab the hook in his first test in two years. Bashar may get the chop and Rajin may replace him. If that happens, you might see Aftab moving up to no.3 , followed by Ash, SN and Rajin. If the team remains unchanged, I won't be surprised to see Bashar dropping down in the order. Lets wait and see. But, I do believe, this is the last of Bashar after this series.

AsifTheManRahman
January 7, 2008, 11:16 PM
I would like Rajin and Farhad to play in place of Aftab and Bashar, however, I am not willing to write Aftab (or even Bashar for that matter) off yet. I would like to look at this as them being rested, Aftab more so than Bashar.

Having said that, the management might go with an unchanged team, and that's fine too.

wiseshah
January 8, 2008, 12:22 AM
my team is

tamim
junaed
rajin/ mushfiq rahim
ashraful
shahriar nafees
habibul bashar
sakib al hasan
farhad reza
mashrafe
shahadat
sajedul

djnaved
January 8, 2008, 01:15 AM
recently, bd needs a wicket taking pace bowler who can bowl upto 145km..hope bd will get that player. Mash and Shahadat's bowling speed is like 130km average.

scoilaheez
January 8, 2008, 02:20 AM
I think Aftab should continue at 6 because he is a player capable of scoring big for us whereas other players will not be able to. If a player does come back into the team i think Sakib should come in for Bashar as Sakib offers a lot of assistance with the ball.

tiger_omar
January 8, 2008, 02:59 AM
Shahriar
Junaed
Mushfiq
Tamim
Ashraful
Bashar
Shakib
Mashrafe
Razzak
Sajedul
Shahadat

Is this also supposed to be your batting order as well? If so, why would you change the opening pair when that's about the only thing that went well for us in the last match?

hassan_melb
January 8, 2008, 04:00 AM
just dont want to see habla in the team plz plz plz.give a chance to sakib, farhad or any one else.or take enamul as a batsman instead of habla.and take another bowler.enamul as a batsman will play better than hablu.may be hablu will score 10 runs but he will get a six from the top of the wicketkeeper and a 4 fr the slip.and thtz it.i can bet even enamul ll try more than that and will move his feet.so guys no more habla plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

abu2abu
January 8, 2008, 07:22 AM
Shakib for Haba is an interesting idead....

However, one thing is clear, Shahriar nafees must bat at 3!!!

Rifat
January 8, 2008, 02:19 PM
i want to see Farhad Reza, no questions asked!!!

Dhakablues
January 8, 2008, 03:21 PM
Changing the team combination wont solve the <2.5 day test match embarrasments,, changing the strategy and mindselt will. All the players of the 1st test, if fired up, they can do pretty good damage to any team ( provided Junaed was not a fluke). Ashraful needs to play and lead his team as a Test match of 5 days than playing for the runs.. Thats what Siddons also commented,, that we play 6 overs good and the 7th over do foolish stuff to get a run

Protic
January 8, 2008, 04:05 PM
Tamim
Zunaed
Ashraful
Rajin
Shahriar Nafees
Sakib
Mushy
Aftab
Masrafe
Shahadat
Sajedul

nsd3
January 8, 2008, 05:00 PM
Highest averages among the top 30 batsmen of just concluded NCL show Farhad and Shakib leading the table. Both of them are ignored for the 1st test. The next on the table is Mehrab Jr - and he's been sent back after ODI series. I guess Aftab can give way to Farhad. Shakib/Rajin will have to wait till the SA series back home.

Tamim, Zunaed, Bashar, Ashraful, Shahriar, Farhad, Mushfiq, Mashrafi, Rajib, Sajid, Enamul

Orion
January 8, 2008, 05:40 PM
I would send Shahriar at number 3 and add farhad reza instead of Bashar....Sakib needs to work on his batting technique.

rashik007
January 8, 2008, 06:41 PM
Tamin
Zunaeed
Mushfiq
Ashraful
Shakib
NAfees
Aftab
Farhad
Mashrafee
Shahadat
Razzak

Sovik
January 8, 2008, 07:20 PM
haba and aftab out of the team. rajin and sakib to replace them

Rubu
January 8, 2008, 07:43 PM
haba and aftab out of the team. rajin and sakib to replace themis this what you want or the team has been decided already, Sovik? Whats the source?

ultapalta
January 8, 2008, 08:24 PM
Tamim
Zunaed
Nafees
Ashraful
Farhad
Rajin
Shakib
Mushfiq
Mashrafee
Razzak
Sajidul

I would make it very batting-strong. I would sacrifice Shahadat on pace bowling options, but i think 3 dedicated bowlers and 3 part-time bowlers (Shakib, Ash, Farhad, maybe even Rajin) would do. But RAJIN is a must, and at least one between Shakib and Farhad is a must instead of Aftab.

cricket_king
January 8, 2008, 08:55 PM
Tamim
Zunaed
Nafees
Ashraful
Farhad
Rajin
Shakib
Mushfiq
Mashrafee
Razzak
Sajidul

I would make it very batting-strong. I would sacrifice Shahadat on pace bowling options, but i think 3 dedicated bowlers and 3 part-time bowlers (Shakib, Ash, Farhad, maybe even Rajin) would do. But RAJIN is a must, and at least one between Shakib and Farhad is a must instead of Aftab.

Absolutely no point in making it any more "batting-strong". They'll screw up either way.The bowlers on the other hand did a great job in that first test. Why change the bowling order when they did so well? Not their fault the batsmen can't put the runs on the board.

Googly
January 9, 2008, 12:52 AM
My Team:
1. Tamim
2. Zunaed
3. Rajin
4. Ashraful
5. Shahriar
6. Forhad
7. Mushfiq
8. Razzaq
9. Mashrafe
10. Shahadat
11. Sajidul

If first five six batsmen can't perform, then it is unlikley the sixth one can make a big difference. So, Farhad comes in for Aftab. Moreover, no one can play worse than scoring a pair. His bowling will be a bonus and add variety and options to the attack. We should also remember that Mushfiq was once chosen as a batsman while Masud was wicket keeping. So, we should expect some runs from him at seven.

Habibul's days are over. Rajin played really well against Australia. He provides the much needed stability at three.

Enamul Jr's form has been going downward since taking many wickets against Zimbabwe. He has been wicketless in a few matches. I think we have 4 SLAs better than him at the moment. Since Razzaq is only available and very successful in the limited over version of the game, he should be picked ahead of Jr. He will boost up the batting in the late order.

shamz
January 9, 2008, 02:39 PM
1)iqbal
2)juniad
3)nafees
4)rahim
5)bashar
6)asharful
7)aftab
8)mortaza
9)islam
10)shahadat
11)haque