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Murad
January 11, 2008, 05:48 AM
Bangladesh, one down in the series have made one change to their line-up. Left-arm spinner Enamul Haque Jr. has made way for all-rounder Shakib Al Hasan.

“Enamul did not get much purchase out of the wicket in Dunedin and we thought Shakib will be a better option for the conditions here. He has bowled his left-arm spinners very well on this tour and his inclusion is mainly for his bowling. We hope he’ll be able to turn the ball. His presence also strengthens our batting and he’ll come in at number eight,” said Ashraful.

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mahbubH
January 11, 2008, 06:07 AM
None of us thought this way!

I like Shakib in the team as a bowler or a bat... Is he good enough to be the fourth bowler of a test 11?

Anyway, I hope Shakib will take this opportunity with both hands and will show how good a batsman he is.

Navarene
January 11, 2008, 06:21 AM
“Enamul did not get much purchase out of the wicket in Dunedin and we thought Shakib will be a better option for the conditions here. He has bowled his left-arm spinners very well on this tour and his inclusion is mainly for his bowling. We hope he’ll be able to turn the ball. His presence also strengthens our batting and he’ll come in at number eight,” said Ashraful.

Voila! A welcome news indeed!

I watched the first Test live and never felt like Enamul could do any better with his negetive bowling approach. Restricting the opponents from getting runs is not all about in a longer version of cricket. A bowler's prime duty is to take wickets. He never bowled according to his merit (neither he did in his wicketless Test match against India in the last home series). What pissed me off was when he set the fielders on offside while constantly tossing the ball down the leg in the first Test. One must has to bowl according to the field placement. Unfortunately Enamul was not able to do so.

And those who defends him with the excuse that he didnt get the turn since the wicket was not spin friendly in first Test, I will remind them of his performance in the last home series against India where he could use the best out of the flat wicket with some crack and uneven bounce on day three.

This way Sakib's selection over Enamul will do no bigger damage in our spin arsenal. Moreover Sakib is a proven batsman, unlike Enam. A very good decision has been taken by the selectors, I must say.

cricket_king
January 11, 2008, 06:41 AM
Number 8? :ticking:

BD-Shardul
January 11, 2008, 06:58 AM
পুরা মুডটাই খারাপ করে দিল। ফালতু একটা Decision.

ferdous
January 11, 2008, 07:15 AM
He should have been included in the first test, considering he was one of the most consistent batsmen in the recent NCL matches.

tiger_army
January 11, 2008, 07:25 AM
পুরা মুডটাই খারাপ করে দিল। ফালতু একটা Decision.

Mate why u r saying that? i think its not a bad idea since the pitch is not really for spinners(NZ excluded Patel), so i thnk Sakib will perform the same thing what enamul would have performed, but we r getting a batting bonus from his......

sadi
January 11, 2008, 07:31 AM
We can look at it as a positive decision. Basin Reserve is really windy and not really suitable for spinners. So, I rather have Sakib over Enamul and strengthen our batting a bit. At the same time, having him as a bowler put less pressure on him battingwise and maybe, he can get his batting touch back. Enamul is not doing so well anyways.

BanCricFan
January 11, 2008, 08:18 AM
Its slightly a defensive move....but a good one, Ithink. Enamul will have his time in Dhaka and Chittagong, inshaallah. This also stengthen our otherwise Najok batting line up. I think the condition will be much different than Dunedin and probably will be a green top.

Its a golden opportunity for Moyna. All the best to the lad. Batting him at no. #8...

lamisa
January 11, 2008, 08:20 AM
yea its a fine decision.but does ne1 know what is happening 2 aftab nd rajin?whoz in?

nsd3
January 11, 2008, 08:28 AM
yea its a fine decision.but does ne1 know what is happening 2 aftab nd rajin?whoz in?
"Bangladesh, one down in the series have made one change to their line-up. Left-arm spinner Enamul Haque Jr. has made way for all-rounder Shakib Al Hasan."

Spitfire_x86
January 11, 2008, 08:58 AM
We can look at it as a positive decision. Basin Reserve is really windy and not really suitable for spinners. So, I rather have Sakib over Enamul and strengthen our batting a bit. At the same time, having him as a bowler put less pressure on him battingwise and maybe, he can get his batting touch back. Enamul is not doing so well anyways.
Agreed. I take it as a positive decision.

Bowling - Enamul + Sakib = Same (for this particular test)
Batting - Enamul + Sakib = More or less better

jahidus200
January 11, 2008, 09:06 AM
this great move by coach jemmi siddons . i think it will help lot in batting order

BangladeshFan
January 11, 2008, 09:28 AM
judging by our batting performance, whatever help we can get in batting is a good thing. lets see what happens.

Moshin
January 11, 2008, 10:24 AM
well i think it was a good decision made by the board, enamul didnt really pick up many wickets in the last test match, plus having saqib in the team will boost the batting for the team.

FagunerAgun
January 11, 2008, 10:25 AM
Nice move, hopefully Sakib will support well the tail enders in batting.
He is good at tight spin bowling.

roaring tigerz
January 11, 2008, 10:29 AM
positive decision? Are you kidding me? We will go into a test match with 3 specialist bowlers and hope to take 20 wickets? 7 batsmen could not do it for us, what makes you think that having 8 will make any difference? Its a farcical decision. I agree, that Sakib should have come in, but it had to be in place of Bashar or Aftab. Bashar is a sitting duck out there, and is a plain liability to the team at this point. Aftab has still not displayed any understanding of building an innings, and after his twin ducks, his place should be in question.

People have questioned Enam's performance in the first test, and I was also not overly impressed with him. But we picked him as our number one spinner. He is a proven performer and is one of the few proven matchwinners we have. We give him a bowl in the 1st day on a flat track after being routed for 100 odd runs and expect him to bulldoze the opposition?

In all fairness, Rafiq has failed miserably for too long. Razzak is too one dimensional to ever succeed in tests. Enam has for long been groomed as Rafiq's successor. Sure, it shouldn't be handed to him in a platter, but he also needs to be given a decent run to prove his worth. If our perenially non-performing batsmen can get countless chances, isn't this impatience with Enam too much of a double standard? This decision is unfair not just for Enam, but even for Sakib. Sakib is not a specialist bowler. If you expect him to get a bagful of wickets, you are just setting yourself up for disappointment. I hope good sense prevails and the selection is reversed!

akabir77
January 11, 2008, 10:40 AM
ok aftab gets the second chance but enam doesn't?

I will not question the coach as he is still trying to find the right number. so lets see what happens. including or excluding one player will not change the out come of the test. but may be we will get a better combination before SA tour.

Ajfar
January 11, 2008, 10:45 AM
cricinfo saidd...bashar n aftab might hav to make way for rajin n reza..but they also said enamul might hav to make way for razzak..n that's not tru..soo who knwss..

AsifTheManRahman
January 11, 2008, 10:47 AM
An all rounder being picked over a specialist, and here some of the guys thought Enam was the next best thing after sliced bread. Trust me, there may well be a few sla's in the bank who will supersede him in the next few years, unless he decides to do a Razzak.

skhondoker
January 11, 2008, 10:56 AM
really, under JS rule, I am seeing some bold and good decisions.....only worries r the selectors.....they might get pissed if they start feeling that JS getting powerful than they are in selection process....because clearly, they have some favourites who were outright rejected by Siddons

Dhakablues
January 11, 2008, 11:10 AM
Was Siddons really in the Australian team as a coach?

Shobha
January 11, 2008, 11:14 AM
Number 8? :ticking:

I HOPE NOT! bloody hell imagine him coming to bat at no 8! nah i think they'll probably fit him in somewhere between 5-7.

Miraz
January 11, 2008, 11:49 AM
None of us thought this way!

I like Shakib in the team as a bowler or a bat... Is he good enough to be the fourth bowler of a test 11?

Anyway, I hope Shakib will take this opportunity with both hands and will show how good a batsman he is.

Nope!. some of us thought in this way :)

Enam not being a wicket taking option (from what I have seen in the first Test), I will prefer a more attacking bowler like Sakib. He might be a part-timer but is lot aggressive than Enam and his batting will be a big plus in the lower-middle order.

I would defnitely pick Enam ahead of Sakib in sub-continent conditions.

i am with the members here who said to take Sakib instead of either. we need as many batsmen as we can.

Pundit
January 11, 2008, 11:56 AM
I have always insisted that we need slow and low bowlers in our team - perhaps less for the tests than in ODIs - but still, with his batting advantage, this is a good decision, perticularly because it comes in favor of Enam.

Enam - go get SA in our dust bowl. Yeah...bite on them hard.

Beamer
January 11, 2008, 01:24 PM
Actually, come to think of it, its a good move. Enam was used in T1 to actually hold the run rate down and his bowling figures indicate that. Maybe, thats why he bowled a bit negative. When you don't get any assistance from the pitch, your primary job becomes as a spinner to hold fort, so pacers, who are getting some purchase, can do some experimentation. Swapping Sakib for Enam doesn't change anything for this test and it obviously strengthens the lower order, where he will bat. Its a good move for the team. As for Sakib the batsman, well, he will have to work hard to overcome his faults. Not surprised at all that he is not considered as a prospect for a top-middle order bat right now.

Beamer
January 11, 2008, 01:28 PM
Miraz

But, you didn't think that lower middle order meant no.8. Did you? You probably had no.5 or 6 in mind. This is actually a demotion for him. He was thought of as a batsman first, who bats in the middle order,but who also bowls in ODI's. Now, that he has been included primary as a bowler, he will have to serve that purpose first.

Eshen
January 11, 2008, 01:29 PM
Enamul's performances, except for those two test matches against Zim, are not that impressive. So, I am not overly surprised by his exclusion, but to bring Shakib in his place ???

Is Siddons planning to use Shakib to give rest to pacers or does he really think Shakib can be a wicket taker in a test match ?

Beamer
January 11, 2008, 01:34 PM
Enamul's performances, except for those two test matches against Zim, are not that impressive. So, I am not overly surprised by his exclusion, but to bring Shakib in his place ???

Is Siddons planning to use Shakib to give rest to pacers or does he really think Shakib can be a wicket taker in a test match ?

He will be used I suppose to check run rate and give spell the pacers. I would have more problem with this if he came in as a specialist bat with Enam retaining his spot. I do not rate his batting at all in tests.

riaz131
January 11, 2008, 01:37 PM
I can see that Shakib is in for Enamul. Does anyone know if Aftab in or out for Rajin cuz I remember reading it somewhere in BC that Aftab will be out for Rajin, but that's not what tigercricket is showing?

One World
January 11, 2008, 01:38 PM
Very Interesting indeed.

Eshen
January 11, 2008, 01:43 PM
He will be used I suppose to check run rate and give spell the pacers.
I guess that's the idea. But then again, Shakib lacks variation. From what I have seen in his last few ODIs (not talking only about the NZ series), it may not be too challenging for opposition batsmen to take Shakib to the cleaners once they get used to his bowling for few overs.

kalpurush
January 11, 2008, 01:48 PM
I hope Sakib will utilze this opportunity...to strenghten his place in the side.

Tigers_eye
January 11, 2008, 01:50 PM
really, under JS rule, I am seeing some bold and good decisions.....only worries r the selectors.....they might get pissed if they start feeling that JS getting powerful than they are in selection process....because clearly, they have some favourites who were outright rejected by Siddons
My fears to too. Hopefully the selectors are professional enough not to create a rift go along with the flow.

Beamer
January 11, 2008, 01:54 PM
I know what you are saying. Its a bit defensive move no doubt. Swapping Enam for Razzak would have been more positive ( at least Raj varies his pace and can slide the straight one ). But, I think, this move is pitch-condition oriented, rather than a judgement of the particular spinner. Siddons won't do this if the match was being played in the sub-continent. I expect Enam to feature in all tests vs SA. Siddons will give him the whole series.

They have batting in mind all the way. Only positive that I can see with this is giving Mushy some breathing room with his bat. Our tail is just pathetic with bat and it starts with Mashrafee, who continues to ignore the fact that there is a batsman in the other end in Mushy. Hey, a thirty-forty run partnership coming from the eight wkt can be valuable to us in terms of team score!

abu2abu
January 11, 2008, 02:08 PM
I think some poeple have made a very good point about the lack of front line bowlers.

Shakib's a fine spinner, of that there can be no doubt. But in the first test our specialist spinner (enamul) failed to get a wicket, the 2nd test is due to be played on a less spin-friendly track. What makes you think Shakib will succeed where enam failed?

Wouldn't it have made more sense to pick a seamer who can bat like Farhad reza? Especially as reza has already scored runs (in the T20) and taken wickets in the ODI series?

Other than miraz bhai, I think very few people could've predicted that there'd only be one change and that that change would be shakib for enamul.

Despite everything, I still hope we pull it off tonight...

akabir77
January 11, 2008, 02:13 PM
...
Despite everything, I still hope we pull it off tonight...

pull it of WHAT tonight?

Sohel
January 11, 2008, 02:26 PM
No matter what Ash says, this may actually be a move to try and salvage our batting in case of another middle-order collapse. From that particular angle, provided Coach Siddons has worked on Shakib's batting and Shakib can manage to apply what he learned when facing NZ bowlers, this is not a bad move.

It would be wonderful to see him play with a straighter bat middling and timing everything well. Anyway, on a more selfish note, it is good to have one of my favorite players back in the starting lineup. I hope he does himself justice this time around. Soccer20reverse's "Mushy prediction" didn't work, so there is a possibility that "the curse" has also come to an end ... ;)

Bowling-wise, either Enam and Razzak would have been a better choice IMHO. They both "script" their attacks better, and offer better flight and pace variations to lure batsmen into getting out. Enam in particular has the sustainable aggression to pose a constant threat over long spells. He was a bit unlucky not to get a wicket during the first test, despite looking threatening and just a delivery away from a wicket or two. That type of aggression may come in handy if we find ourselves bowling the latter half of the 4th and the 5th days when the pitch may actually offer some roughs and cracks to turn the ball for our spinners. That said, Ash is more likely to use those conditions better at this point.

With Moyna at his best, we have to wait for them to make mistakes provided he bowls tightly enough to frustrate them. We need 20 wickets to win a test match and the Moyna's bowling seems to be a rather passive approach. Subbing-in Farhad for HaBa would have been the more aggressive move. He has shown himself to be a much improved seamer in the course of this tour offering us decent enough variation in our seam attack as a 4th option, and he has always been a clean hitter of the ball.

irteja
January 11, 2008, 03:07 PM
sakib at number 8...no way...i think we should play sakib to bat at 3 at Habibul Bashar at number 8

sandpiper
January 11, 2008, 03:12 PM
spot on.

Bowling-wise, either Enam and Razzak would have been a better choice IMHO. They both "script" their attacks better, and offer better flight and pace variations to lure batsmen into getting out. Enam in particular has the sustainable aggression to pose a constant threat over long spells. He was a bit unlucky not to get a wicket during the first tests despite looking threatening and just a delivery away from a wicket or two. That type of aggression may come in handy if we find ourselves bowling the latter half of the 4th and the 5th days when the pitch may actually offer some roughs and cracks to turn the ball for our spinners. That said, Ash is more likely to use those conditions better at this point.

With Moyna at his best, we have to wait for them to make mistakes provided he bowls tightly enough to frustrate them. We need 20 wickets to win a test match and the Moyna's bowling seems to be a rather passive approach. Subbing-in Farhad for HaBa would have been the more aggressive move. He has shown himself to be a much improved seamer in the course of this tour offering us decent enough variation in our seam attack as a 4th option, and he has always been a clean hitter of the ball.

sandpiper
January 11, 2008, 03:13 PM
:ticking: /:)

:waiting:
sakib at number 8...no way...i think we should play sakib to bat at 3 at Habibul Bashar at number 8

Miraz
January 11, 2008, 03:22 PM
Miraz

But, you didn't think that lower middle order meant no.8. Did you? You probably had no.5 or 6 in mind. This is actually a demotion for him. He was thought of as a batsman first, who bats in the middle order,but who also bowls in ODI's. Now, that he has been included primary as a bowler, he will have to serve that purpose first.

Yap, I didn't think about position 8, I was thinking about 7 due to recent poor form of Shakib with the bat.

My order,

Tamim
Zunaed
Aftab
Ashraful
Bashar
SN
Shakib
Mushfiq
Mashrafe
Shahadat
Sajidul

But keeping Mushfiq at 7 and sending Shakib at 8 isn't a bad idea. Mushfiq is technically lot better than Shakib.

skhondoker
January 11, 2008, 03:23 PM
really, I still believe Shakib is "Mr. Dependable" and he will shine to be that very soon. I like his body language a lot in the games.

Shaan
January 11, 2008, 03:36 PM
Enam out Sakib in, interesting news! SO time for Sakib to provide his potentiality with ball and bat. Not so good option for test bowling, but batting option certainly positive.

Pundit
January 11, 2008, 03:53 PM
This dilemma points out to one thing and only one thing:

We don't even have an eleven by Bangladeshi standards, let alone by test standards.

abu2abu
January 11, 2008, 05:01 PM
pull it of WHAT tonight?

"pull it off" it's an english phrase, like "making it work" - I hope BD manage to post a decent score or two. A victory of course would be ideal but time will tell whether the change of shakib for enamul will work...

scoilaheez
January 11, 2008, 05:03 PM
It is a surprise for me, we only have 3 genuine bowlers and Sakib is more of a container than a wicket taker. We could be light on in the bowling stakes.

RazabQ
January 11, 2008, 07:43 PM
You guys are missing one major spin option - that of the skipper himself. Unless we take the match to the fifth day - and I don't know how much a grassy pitch will break up even then - Enam's role will be ala Giles and Harris. Keep it tight, bowl the odd arm ball and or quicker one (those that don't depend on purchase from wicket) and see if you can pick up a wicket or two. Given that Sakib bowls at a higher pace than Enam, and given the above, it's an ok replacement I suppose. However with Ashraful proving himself capable of bowling a few, genuine-wicket taking deliveries in between the half-trackers and half-volleys and full tosses, I think we are covered in the spin department. Ash here is playing the all-rounder role more or less.

Ejaj
January 11, 2008, 10:08 PM
This is poor. Judging by one test is not enough. Enamul Jr should have been given more oppertunities. If not him, then, i would have wanted Rajjak. Bring Sakib in place of HB.

gunda
January 13, 2008, 12:49 PM
I would go for razzak over both of them anyday.

Eshen
January 14, 2008, 12:18 PM
Gladly eating the humble pie about comments that I made about Shakib, he did not let us down as a bowler at all. His batting was streaky, but at least he scored some runs.

akabir77
January 14, 2008, 12:44 PM
"pull it off" it's an english phrase, like "making it work" - I hope BD manage to post a decent score or two. A victory of course would be ideal but time will tell whether the change of shakib for enamul will work...

Thanks for your English lesson. I think after living here for so long and doing my ms i know a little about english.

My reason for asking was since you didn't clearly say what you want our bd team to pull off, and i did expect that you probably want a win to pull off which in this time is utterly rubbish to even think of and hence i asked what exactly you want the bd team to pull of here...