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proxdj
January 12, 2008, 09:47 AM
We have seen time and time this team collapses in 130 or under 200 in the test matches... but we seem to do well in ODI where they usually score in the 200+

Our wicket keeper is terrible... he is short, he can't catch behind the wickets and he can't hit anything. We are the 7th largest populated country and thats the best we can do?

We need to develop some allrounders

Bashar shouldn't be in the team... a young batsman cannot do worse than what he does. Therefore, we might as well give the young kids the spot to develop their skills.

There is not one person to blame for this continuous failure... maybe we are not ready for test matches.

BanCricFan
January 12, 2008, 11:36 AM
We are not used to playing genuine pace on lively pitches and in conditions which are conducive for fast bowling. We are brought up on low and slow pitches.

In Tests the bowlers can test the batters with a few bouncers and can have much more attacking field. In Test, batters, especially, our batters are subjected to facing extensive "chin music". As a result they lose their composure and end up giving their wickets away trying to hit out or playing inappropriate shots.

The idea of batting session by session hasn't yet become embedded in our cricket culture. Our major problem lies in building an Innings as Openers and top-order batsmen are yet to come to grip with leaving the new ball alone and waiting for the balls shine to come off. Perhaps, this is the result of playing too many ODIs by too many YOUNG batsmen. They find it really difficult to adjust their game in the longer version.

Solution to this problem is playing more and more competitive FC matches on sporting pitches where pacers will get assistance. They also need to pay urgent attention to the very basics of batting- not hitting the ball in the air, playing straight, playing close to the body, footworks- for examples. Inshaallah, we will see much better batting within the next 4/6 years as the current crops and those in the pipeline will have significant numbers of FC (both domestic and international) cricket under their belts. In the meantime, we just have to have a lot of Sabr in abundance! And pray that the batters learn from their mistakes!

damalChele
January 12, 2008, 12:07 PM
We are used to playing on pitches like this. Notice the right hand side of the wicket. Also backhome we usually play with two batsmen in the same crease but in Test and ODI we have one. #:-S

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/84800/84804.jpg

BanCricFan
January 12, 2008, 12:18 PM
We are used to playing on pitches like this. Notice the right hand side of the wicket. Also backhome we usually play with two batsmen in the same crease but in Test and ODI we have one. #:-S

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/84800/84804.jpg

Good dig, Damal! :D

BanCricFan
January 12, 2008, 12:21 PM
BTW, sporting wicket doesn't mean just green-top but clay compositon etc too. Good and even bounce...

Shobha
January 12, 2008, 12:31 PM
we're just simply **** in tests. the only thing BD are capable of playing is 20/20, and even in that they dont play decent.

BANFAN
January 12, 2008, 12:56 PM
Bacause,
1. we play ou natural game in one day and try to play different in test
2. Many times our players don't understand the ball from the grip and release, so they just play through the line, which works in oneday due to field settings and in tests they try to play orthodox on assumption/anticipation.
3. Bacause of these, they also remain unde pessure in tests, as coach is pressing to not to play too many shots.

Sovik
January 12, 2008, 02:16 PM
less pressure in one dayers. field restrictions, wides etc

shaad
January 12, 2008, 02:54 PM
Largely what BCF said. There's a strong psychological component too. Our players get impatient if they haven't scored a run for a couple of overs, imagining that it's a sign to all and sundry that they are being dominated by the bowlers, and flail away at anything without regard to merit. Note that this is different from trying to put pressure on the bowlers. All this does is put pressure on the batsmen themselves, and then they're out.

More FC matches will hopefully teach them to see out attacking spells, realize the game isn't over in just one day, and learn to actually play test matches. We shall see.

shaad
January 12, 2008, 03:05 PM
We need to develop some allrounders


I think Whatmore tried that, and what we got were jack-of-all-trades of whom a few could reach 20, and thought that was enough.

I think our batsmen in general can be divided into two categories, those who are technically sound but get out because of bad shot selection, temperament, and impatience, and batsmen who are not technically sound, but on occasion have "jhore bok pore" type of wonderful innings.

The impression I get is that Siddons wants the team made up of the former category of players because he believes that he can correct their bad habits, shot selections, temperament, etc., resulting in their eventually becoming solid and consistent run providers. The latter category might have a "hujuke" great innings now and then, but cannot be relied upon.

taklima_naj
January 12, 2008, 07:44 PM
didnt see the match , but just have seen What Naffes did, echhha korteche bat diya akta bari dei.

taklima_naj
January 12, 2008, 07:46 PM
Tamim 0 miss korlo to take the catch and he is unsure tto bat

BangladeshFan
January 12, 2008, 08:50 PM
They get exposed in test matches as they dont have the technique. In one dayers or 20-20s they perform a bit better as they get away with "jhore bok more" / "jodi laiga jai" type of shots.

poor in all departments of the game ........ batting, bowling and fielding.

Thunder
January 13, 2008, 01:16 AM
although its hard to say but there is no point in bearing this humiliation again and again. Its not like the condition is not suitable for subcontinent batsman. Its not too long ago when Srilanka visited there and beat NZ easily. I am not saying we should beat them. All i was expecting is a bit of fight and some descent scores.

We should stop this humiliation and stop playing tests for a few years. Our cricketers should be more exposed to play long term cricket and we can play 3 or 4 day matches more with A team from different test sides.

BANFAN
January 13, 2008, 04:22 AM
although its hard to say but there is no point in bearing this humiliation again and again. Its not like the condition is not suitable for subcontinent batsman. Its not too long ago when Srilanka visited there and beat NZ easily. I am not saying we should beat them. All i was expecting is a bit of fight and some descent scores.

We should stop this humiliation and stop playing tests for a few years. Our cricketers should be more exposed to play long term cricket and we can play 3 or 4 day matches more with A team from different test sides.

Not playing at all does not help. Humilation if you like to say, is just a part of the learning process. We may play more with weaker teams like zim/WI etc more. A/B teams are too weak to play and lean from, in comparison to the national sides. The responsibilities is also upon individual players to pactice extra times and raise their standards, just like you take an extra coaching session, after you learnt it in the class. A coach cannot develop everything during the short period of national camp, but the players should use exta hours for that.

If they can't, then we don't deserve to remain in the test circuit, simple.

insideedge
January 13, 2008, 05:19 AM
A/B teams are too weak to play and lean from, in comparison to the national sides.
I do not think you can make this call before actually facing such sides.

One World
January 13, 2008, 11:47 AM
although its hard to say but there is no point in bearing this humiliation again and again. Its not like the condition is not suitable for subcontinent batsman. Its not too long ago when Srilanka visited there and beat NZ easily. I am not saying we should beat them. All i was expecting is a bit of fight and some descent scores.

We should stop this humiliation and stop playing tests for a few years. Our cricketers should be more exposed to play long term cricket and we can play 3 or 4 day matches more with A team from different test sides.

If not years even one season of recess would do magical improvement and not only A teams top county teams and teams from AUS and NZ can be helpful. I want to forget those humiliating defeats in the practice matches sooner the better.

Not playing at all does not help. Humilation if you like to say, is just a part of the learning process. We may play more with weaker teams like zim/WI etc more. A/B teams are too weak to play and lean from, in comparison to the national sides. The responsibilities is also upon individual players to pactice extra times and raise their standards, just like you take an extra coaching session, after you learnt it in the class. A coach cannot develop everything during the short period of national camp, but the players should use exta hours for that.

If they can't, then we don't deserve to remain in the test circuit, simple.

ZIM itself took rest from Test cricket and there is little chance for it to come back near future. WI as a test playing nation is way better. A/B teams are too weak compared to their own main team, not for low-performing BD team. As BD just lost to a lowly standed NZ league side twice convincingly, cannot really agree to that statement of learning.

I do not think you can make this call before actually facing such sides.

Exactly only facing them would clear out the confusion on actual strength. There may be some ugly truth lying beneath or may be some improvement in confidence and temper. Either way it would be beneficial.

zainab
January 13, 2008, 11:49 AM
Players are too scared to playTest cricket. mental block is there and somehow, even if they try, they fail. They have to play locally in the longer format of the game, to get used to playing longer sedate innings. It is the fault of the domestic setup and how long this is not addressed, BD will not be able to compete in Test matches. they will always be in ODI mode.

Also, they were not ready to become a Test nation in 2000, now, even if they withdraw from Test cricket, it will be very difficult to gain admission, so I think that Coach Siddons has a very tough job ahead to groom at least 10 batsmen to play innings as test players. Let's have faith and hope for the next 2 years.
They will have to bear more humiliations in the coming year, but there is hope that this coach will not give up on them.