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Eshen
January 18, 2008, 01:09 PM
[বাংলা]অস্ট্রেলিয়া সফরে শুধু ওয়ানডে খেলেই ফিরতে হবে বাংলাদেশকে! [/বাংলা]

http://www.bdnews24.com/bangla/details.php?id=18087&cid=26

[বাংলা]ঢাকা, ১৮ জানুয়ারি (বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম) --- চলতি বছরটা বোধহয় বাংলাদেশ ক্রিকেট দলের জন্য 'বঞ্চনার বছর'ই হতে যাচ্ছে! মে মাসে ভারত ও পাকিস্তানকে নিয়ে দেশের মাটিতে ত্রিদেশীয় সিরিজ নির্ধারিত হয়ে আছে ঠিকই। কিন্তু ভারতের গড়িমসিতে এখন সেটার ভাগ্য ঝুলে গেছে। সেপ্টেম্বরে পাকিস্তানে অনুষ্ঠেয় আইসিসি চ্যাম্পিয়ন্স ট্রফিতেও যে অংশ নেওয়া হচ্ছে না, তা একরকম নিশ্চিতই হয়ে গেছে। তবে শুধু ওয়ানডে ম্যাচই নয়। এ বছর কমে যেতে পারে বাংলাদেশের নির্ধারিত টেস্ট ম্যাচের সংখ্যাও। তেমন আশঙ্কার কথাই শুনিয়েছেন বাংলাদেশ ক্রিকেট বোর্ডের (বিসিবি) ক্রিকেট অপারেশন্স কমিটির চেয়ারম্যান গাজী আশরাফ লিপু। জুলাই-আগস্টে অস্ট্রেলিয়া সফরে যাচ্ছেন মোহাম্মদ আশরাফুলরা। দুই টেস্ট এবং তিন ওয়ানডের সিরিজ হওয়ার কথা থাকলেও ক্রিকেট অস্ট্রেলিয়া (সিএ) এখন টেস্ট ম্যাচ আয়োজনে তাদের অনাগ্রহের কথা জানাচ্ছে।

অস্ট্রেলিয়ার অনাগ্রহ বলে কথা। এ কারণেই লিপুকে বলতে হচ্ছে, "অস্ট্রেলিয়া সফর থেকে বোধহয় শুধুই ওয়ানডে সিরিজ খেলে ফিরতে হবে আমাদের।" ইন্টারন্যাশনাল ক্রিকেট কাউন্সিলের (আইসিসি) ফিউচার ট্যুরস প্রোগ্রাম (এফটিপি) অনুযায়ী এবছর ১০টি টেস্ট ম্যাচ খেলার কথা বাংলাদেশের। এরমধ্যে দুটো নিউজিল্যান্ডে খেলে এসেছে তারা। ফেব্র"য়ারিতে দেশের মাটিতে দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকার বিপক্ষে দুটো টেস্ট খেলা বাংলাদেশ ফিরতি সফরে যাবে নভেম্বরে। সেখানে আরো দুটো টেস্ট খেলে দেশে ফিরেই দুই টেস্টের সিরিজে মুখোমুখি হবে শ্রীলঙ্কার। এমনই নির্ধারিত ছিল অস্ট্রেলিয়ায় গিয়ে দুই টেস্টের সিরিজ খেলাও।

সেটা হুট করে ফেঁসে যাওয়ার কারণ বিস্তারিত জানাতে পারলেন না লিপু, "টেস্ট সিরিজ বাতিল করার বিষয়টা এখনো নিশ্চিত করেনি ক্রিকেট অস্ট্রেলিয়া। তবে ইঙ্গিতটা সেরকমই। বিসিবির সঙ্গে তাদের নিয়মিতই যোগাযোগ হচ্ছে। তারা জানিয়েছে ওই সময়ে তাদের বড় কী একটা ইভেন্ট যেন আছে। তাছাড়া সেসময় টেস্ট ম্যাচ আয়োজনের জন্য মাঠের অভাবের কথাও জানানো হয়েছে। টেস্ট সিরিজটা যাতে হয় সেই চেষ্টা তো আমরা করছিই। কিন্তু তারা আয়োজন করতে না চাইলে বড় মুশকিল।"

মে মাসে ত্রিদেশীয় সিরিজ না হলে কমে যাবে ওয়ানডের সংখ্যাও। আর ওয়ানডে র‌্যাঙ্কিংয়ের সেরা আট দলকে নিয়ে আইসিসি চ্যাম্পিয়ন্স ট্রফি আয়োজনের পরিকল্পনা চূড়ান্ত হওয়ায় ক্রিকেটের দ্বিতীয় সর্বোচ্চ এই আসরেও অংশ নেওয়া হচ্ছে না মোহাম্মদ আশরাফুলদের। নিউজিল্যান্ড সফরে ওয়ানডে সিরিজে কিছু একটা ঘটিয়ে আসতে পারলে তবু সম্ভাবনা ছিল। কিন্তু সেখানে ব্যর্থ হয়ে ফেরায় আগামী ৩০ এপ্রিলের মধ্যে র‌্যাঙ্কিংয়ের সেরা আটে পৌছানো সম্ভব হবে না বাংলাদেশের। এটা তবু মানা যায়। কিন্তু প্রাপ্য অনেক ম্যাচও যে এখন হারানোর শঙ্কা বাংলাদেশের সামনে।[/বাংলা]

akabir77
January 18, 2008, 01:19 PM
this is sad. after spending all those money after AUS this is what we get...

Why do we even play? if ICC is arranging tournaments for top 8 which will become top6 once we r in top 8. This is not fair...

nasimul
January 18, 2008, 01:20 PM
Not unexpected

djnaved
January 18, 2008, 01:25 PM
Australia ken je khelte raji na tar ashol proman NZ tour..tara wicket throwing dekhte chai na.. khub valo hoiche..amader shonar chelera ebar bujuk

Nocturnal
January 18, 2008, 01:26 PM
yah, I just read the news in bdnews24 and all I can say is: rubbish! :(

Rabz
January 18, 2008, 01:37 PM
We got only us to blame, i'd say.

Our last few tests produced nothing but embarrasing results.
Beside that 9 wicket lost, we surrendered humbly to huge innings defeats in our past few test matches. And there is hardly any performances to prove otherwise.

Question remains to be answered if these kinda defeats would benefit anyone, and im not surprised that after all the Aussies have done for the development of our game since the beginning, thier patience is running thin and ready to pull the plug.

After all there should not be any free ride in the name of........ u know what...

... this is just a gentleman's way of sidelining us rather than saying no!

..and as much as i could point fingers everywhere and be mad at them...

truely...

we have only us to blame.

We might be a formidable unit in the odi's, but in test?
we can barely make 150.

Probably this is a very timely reminder for our players to pull thier socks and up the ante.

Cuz today if its CA, tomorrow it would ECB, day after SACB..and so on...

I hope BCB can pull out of this mess and negotiate right with CA, but at the same time, would that be justified effort if the boys goes down under only to be thrashed to another two innings and 100 run defeats?

Roni_uk
January 18, 2008, 01:49 PM
This is good news for cricket. If we need practice, lets play the smaller teams. Having said that, this might also be the first step from getting our team off the test status. Not unexpected.

akabir77
January 18, 2008, 01:53 PM
ok so what we playing poorly? who hasn't got beaten in australia in 3 days other than India. I guess some people who took the easy ride after winning the iCC is ready to jump the ship. some of you don't know what it took and from where it all started.

Anyway guess what we will lose TEST status (officially or non) and then flow of money will be closed. and do you think these players will care who started to play cricket cause there was money, no. we were in process of putting every thing in right track but when there r no support from home then why even bother... yeah lets go and support india or pakistan who wants bangladesh to play ugly cricket...

kalpurush
January 18, 2008, 02:27 PM
Well, Pakistan and India doesn't favour us, why should Australia?
Wasn't Champions Trophy format made by the host country, Pakistan? We are not bad in ODI, then why they are doing this? I know the answer, but don't want to write...it's a cruel world anyway.

Kabir
January 18, 2008, 02:41 PM
I can't read what's in there...possibly because of my machine.

Anyone would be kind enough to give me/us a summary of it?

Spitfire_x86
January 18, 2008, 02:54 PM
I can't read what's in there...possibly because of my machine.

Anyone would be kind enough to give me/us a summary of it?
1. Australia *may* call of the test series we were supposed to play in Australia, and give us only the ODI series. It's not confirmed yet.

2. We are not playing in this year's ICCCT

Russell2k7
January 18, 2008, 02:56 PM
Good Minnows dont derserve to play test against Aus. Bret Lee would be too much pain in the neck for our "talented" batsman.

Shobha
January 18, 2008, 02:59 PM
Oh Bloody Hell!

jahidus200
January 18, 2008, 03:07 PM
thats underliable . now atleats our team should understand . and they should carry this kind of fricking blame . now world cricket looking that how bad we are

zainab
January 18, 2008, 03:10 PM
If they are only going to play ODIs, then why are they going? Even if they get beaten up, they should play the 2 Test matches against Australia. I mean Australia beats each and every team they play, so BD is no exception.
Maybe Australia feels that it is a waste of time and no real contest.

Kabir
January 18, 2008, 03:11 PM
1. Australia *may* call of the test series we were supposed to play in Australia, and give us only the ODI series. It's not confirmed yet.

2. We are not playing in this year's ICCCT

Thanks.

Any reasons why?

Russell2k7
January 18, 2008, 03:15 PM
Even if a person beats every other contestant in a game of chess it is still pretty much futile to play someone who would loose within 3 moves or so. We need more practice in ODI considering we cant even last 50.0 overs in there too.

akabir77
January 18, 2008, 03:25 PM
Thanks.

Any reasons why?

No reason. they just want to play top 8. this is racism at its best...

Russell2k7
January 18, 2008, 03:32 PM
If Aus offers us just ODI's it may not be that bad. Lets get 5 ODI's with Aus instead of 3 + 2test. I dont think that is bad deal.

ialbd
January 18, 2008, 03:40 PM
yea Aus is doing us a favor by not playing test.... although the ground excuse (and blah blah) is just an excuse.... but we get it....

an extra 2 ODIs instead of the test sounds reasonable..

sadi
January 18, 2008, 03:55 PM
I can't really blame them. Instead of getting blown out in those games, what we should do is prepare us by playing more longer version games against different A teams. Send the A team to some overseas domestic competition like Deleep trophy or Kayede-azam in Pakistan.

I almost threw up when I read how Ashraful was trying to defend the team results in New Zealand. Unless we stop getting satisfied by individual performances (read Tamim or Mashrafee's performance) and start the process of fighting and atleast drawing games in regular basis, why would other teams play with us?

Yes, I am bitter. Yeah, I know they have to follow ICC calender. But hey we should atleast be competitive. Going over 200 only once in four innings don't cut it. Let's fix ourselves first. Once we are competitive, there won't be any dearth of test matches.

One World
January 18, 2008, 03:56 PM
I do not see why we will not go if it is only an ODI series. Facing AUS is an opportunity and BD should take it. Secondly BD can ask for 3/4 tour match with top AUS sides, may be the A-team. That will be a good experience for the young lads.

AsifTheManRahman
January 18, 2008, 04:09 PM
No reason. they just want to play top 8. this is racism at its best...

what do rankings have anything to do with racism?

BD-Shardul
January 18, 2008, 04:12 PM
Oz is afraid of another Fatuallah. The probablitiy is of another fatuallh is 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001, but who knows? After all, BD is unpredictable. :D

Seriously speaking, before we say that we deserve to play test against Oz, Ash and Co, should ask themselves these questions and answer them honestly:

01. Are we practicing hard?
02. Are we learnig from mistakes?
03. Are we satisfied with our performance?

akabir77
January 18, 2008, 04:13 PM
what do rankings have anything to do with racism?

that is not ranking they chose only 8 from 10. why r they leaving out last 2? go figure...

Eshen
January 18, 2008, 04:17 PM
that is not ranking they chose only 8 from 10. why r they leaving out last 2? go figure...
The tenth country in the ODI ranking is Ireland. How is it racism when ICC is leaving out an European country as well as an Asian country ?

AsifTheManRahman
January 18, 2008, 04:34 PM
that is not ranking they chose only 8 from 10. why r they leaving out last 2? go figure...

ok but what does racism have anything to do with it?

Bancan
January 18, 2008, 05:10 PM
Atleast there wont be any whining threads after that series.

And ya how is this racism?

Eshen
January 18, 2008, 05:17 PM
May be BCB can make a bargain with CA that if the test series is to be scrapped, CA will have to host our A-team for a tour (preferably in a period when Bangladesh don't have international matches so that we can send few national players on that tour), where the A-team will get to play against Australian state sides (not their academies).

reyme
January 18, 2008, 05:19 PM
Great news. After the fist inning of the 1st test, I read in one of the article that Ash was complaining of not getting enough chances to play longer version of the game in the domestics. So there you go, now they can utilize the break.

akabir77
January 18, 2008, 05:35 PM
ok but what does racism have anything to do with it?
What is racism? To me when some people ignores a group of people/country because of their color, religion, money, etc. We are a test playing nation. So when ICC the head of TEST organizes a tournament for all TEST teams they should include all of them. WHen they leave out one or two saying only top ranked 8 will be allowed there comes the q of racism. WHy is it only 8 why not 4 or 6 or 2? Hope you guys get it now...

its like saying yeah you have rights but only for specials cases u get to use that...

The normal thing should have been a Tournament for all 10 TEST nations. but instead they picked 8 and i am sure if we or zimbos where on 7th and 8th they would have still some how organised it without us... for example by saying only the first 8 TEST status granted nations will be allowed (remember we r 10th and zimbos r 9th)

Dhakablues
January 18, 2008, 06:01 PM
We dont deserve to be a test playing country with this level of skillsets. Either we play more test matches or we dont play before we are ready. I mean, its been a good 6/7 years and still we are saying we are learning. It means, there is something wrong in our learning... Think about the host country where they lose money hosting those matches, sponsors cant trust that their product will appear for more than 2.5 days, spectatators are not going to ask for days off,, as they dont know if the series will last for more than 2 days with the irritating Bangladeshi players,, seriouslly, passion aside, do we really qualify as a test nation? Can we beat a single country in test cricket just for once? I doubt that. Hence, if Australia cancels the tour and India dont want to host us,,, all I can say is, we deserve it. I wouldnve have said that couple years back when we were really trying hard... but these days, I dont think our players are committed to play test cricket. They want to go for quick wins, chokka, char, "dancing down the wicket",, than having the true test mindset...

Russell2k7
January 18, 2008, 06:02 PM
There is nothing racism about this. If someone is not qualified to play it's not Aus fault. If it was about racism they would not let us play the ODI, lol.

Nocturnal
January 18, 2008, 06:03 PM
about the ICC champions trophy- the first knock-out tournament happened in dhaka '98 and we didn't play in that, but that was pre-test status era and since then we are participating it, so why this time they have to create a divider between test status nations.SAD.:mad:

Russell2k7
January 18, 2008, 06:04 PM
with the irritating Bangladeshi players,
Hahaha

roaring tigerz
January 18, 2008, 06:06 PM
Frankly I'm surprised we've even been invited to play ODIs. Another 2 day debacle would result in major losses for administrators, broadcasters and everyone else concerned. And really, why bother?

akabir77
January 18, 2008, 06:06 PM
There is nothing racism about this. If someone is not qualified to play it's not Aus fault. If it was about racism they would not let us play the ODI, lol.
who said AUS did the racism? Read before comment... like Nocturnal said before this one ICC tournament was for all test nations not for only 8.

Dhakablues
January 18, 2008, 06:09 PM
I think its a flawed policy for ICC. Had they had the same thing for world cup, think about how dull the tournaments would become. Bangladesh, Ireland proved how in ODI, teams can be competitive. Having 8 teams in CT is nonsense. Cricket is played amongst only few countries and within that to eliminate another 2 is just stupidity.. Why not reduce it to just 2 and have both the teams play each other for 1 month and declare the winner? What is the point of champions trophy anyways, I never got it.

Russell2k7
January 18, 2008, 06:09 PM
ICC AUS same thing. It's still is not racism. If thats the case then they would not let us play ODI. If the old team of Andy Flower and Heath Streak was there then they might have let the last 9 teams play.

Russell2k7
January 18, 2008, 06:11 PM
If ICC takes away Bangladesh test status that would be racism?

akabir77
January 18, 2008, 06:12 PM
We dont deserve to be a test playing country with this level of skillsets. Either we play more test matches or we dont play before we are ready. I mean, its been a good 6/7 years and still we are saying we are learning. It means, there is something wrong in our learning... Think about the host country where they lose money hosting those matches, sponsors cant trust that their product will appear for more than 2.5 days, spectatators are not going to ask for days off,, as they dont know if the series will last for more than 2 days with the irritating Bangladeshi players,, seriouslly, passion aside, do we really qualify as a test nation? Can we beat a single country in test cricket just for once? I doubt that. Hence, if Australia cancels the tour and India dont want to host us,,, all I can say is, we deserve it. I wouldnve have said that couple years back when we were really trying hard... but these days, I dont think our players are committed to play test cricket. They want to go for quick wins, chokka, char, "dancing down the wicket",, than having the true test mindset...

Understand your point and agree with it. But the bottom line is these player didn't get us the status. Yes we r failing but if we don't play we will be always a zero. look we started doing some what well until the AUS series in BD. after that 13 months gap every one said we have to start from the beginning. and thats just what happen. beside the new coach didn't even chose a single grafter as he wanted to go for win or something. once he understand like some our fans here that win in a test is not like a haater moa he will start including the grafters which will make the game more competitive. most countries took 3 / 4 generations before they could win a test. its not that easy period.

If we don't play we will not learn its simple as that.

akabir77
January 18, 2008, 06:15 PM
If ICC takes away Bangladesh test status that would be racism?


I don't how old r u but looks like you r not geting the point so i will stop responding to your q. If icc takes away the test status that is fine. but until they do we should be considered as same as the other test playing nation. anything less then that should be considered as racism...

And don't tel me ICC and CA is the same. if you think thats the case then please, i was going to say bad words but i instead i will say, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for reading my post.

Russell2k7
January 18, 2008, 06:21 PM
I don't how old r u but looks like you r not geting the point so i will stop responding to your q. If icc takes away the test status that is fine. but until they do we should be considered as same as the other test playing nation. anything less then that should be considered as racism...

And don't tel me ICC and CA is the same. if you think thats the case then please, i was going to say bad words but i instead i will say, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for reading my post.

Ok but we weren't really compared as other test playing nations. For example, we dont usually get 3 test and nor do we get 5ODIS. It's always like 3ODIs + 2 test.

pocha
January 18, 2008, 06:29 PM
What a fantastic news! Yesterday BCCI ignored us, then PCB and now Cricket Australia. Who is next? Cant blame them after our hi-fi performance, the sponsors must be suffering heavy losses wherever we are playing.Afterall its all about money.

Dhakablues
January 18, 2008, 06:30 PM
Yeah, thats I meant when I said that we either need to play more test cricket or dont play these once in 12 month matches. Its a sheer injustice. ICC and the rest of the world expects us to play competitive cricket yet we are not given the opportunity. How can we play better cricket when we play only 3-4 series a year and the rest of the world playing more than 8-9?

I agree with AKABIR that our selection policy is also wrong where we are only thinking from a 50 over perspective than 90 overs a day for 5 days. Our players dont have to work hard to get a test cap,,, just create a sensation and you are in. Versus, even Jamie Siddons himselves never got a chance to play test cricket despite being considered the best batsman of his time. We drop and pick players like Farmgate to Gulistan bus service.. I just think BCB management will need to really strategize on how to build a competitive team for test cricket than just letting new coach/new selectors/ new captain define and decide our pride and honor.

Rubu
January 18, 2008, 06:34 PM
I think this is actually the best thing that can happen to our test cricket. there is no point really trying to do something that we do not know how to do. first, we need to learn the basic of test cricket, which apparently we do not. once we learn that, we can start playing and improving. there was no point really getting trashed every time. does no good for the team moral, and only brings shame for the country.

Omio
January 18, 2008, 06:38 PM
Last time we played 2 test, this time three odi,
What does it mean? We need 5 years for complete a series against Aussie.

BD Tigers
January 18, 2008, 06:47 PM
whether we can or not, since we are test playing nation, we shud get tests against all other countries. money shud not be the only concern here.

sandpiper
January 18, 2008, 06:51 PM
সেরা দলগুলির সমীহ অর্জন করতে হলে আমাদের আরও ভাল খেলতে হবে। আমাদের ধৈর্য ধরতে হবে। :umm:

Antora
January 18, 2008, 06:57 PM
ok so we might not be playing test with Australia and we are not playing ICC tournament? :O
this is me right now------------------>>>>>:mad::mad::mad::head::head:

Sovik
January 18, 2008, 06:59 PM
ICC don't need to revoke our test status. the test playing teams won't be playing against us. first it was India who never played against us in India and now Australia.

Russell2k7
January 18, 2008, 07:11 PM
I'm saying offer them for 5 ODIs term and if we manage to beat them in one of them thats still way better than crumbling in the test.

Spitfire_x86
January 18, 2008, 07:25 PM
The normal thing should have been a Tournament for all 10 TEST nations. but instead they picked 8 and i am sure if we or zimbos where on 7th and 8th they would have still some how organised it without us... for example by saying only the first 8 TEST status granted nations will be allowed (remember we r 10th and zimbos r 9th)
This is really lame :down:

al Furqaan
January 18, 2008, 07:29 PM
I think this is actually the best thing that can happen to our test cricket. there is no point really trying to do something that we do not know how to do. first, we need to learn the basic of test cricket, which apparently we do not. once we learn that, we can start playing and improving. there was no point really getting trashed every time. does no good for the team moral, and only brings shame for the country.

this is a bad, bad move by the aussies...for our sakes, i hope india trounces them like no tomorrow in the remaining matches in which they (aussies) have cheated just be up 2-0.

there is nothing positive from losing test status. if anyone doubts that this is just a one series loss, they are dead wrong. firstly, if OZ scrap the 2 tests, india will never play a test against us again (remember indians are 3 steps ahead of the aussies in this regard). new zealand have already displayed a great deal of arrogance, and they'll scrap tests. south africa will do the same as will pakistan. which means bangladesh might play 2 tests a year against WI and SL, and that too if SL decides that would continue being the only country that has really supported BD cricket. should decide not to, bangladesh will play no tests ever again.

once you lose tests status, you won't ever get it back.

BD better prepare dust bowls to lay some smackdown on the Proteas, otherwise we might as well all deactivate our BC accounts and shut this website down. trust me.

the only potential positive of this, is the batsmen decide to pull up their pants and stop playing like pussies. and that ain't likely.

if you want to be a "shameful" country then accept the cricketing rape coming our way. just bend over and take it. before you get honor, the country must battle through shameful periods.

america was country steeped in buying and selling slaves, and today they have become the beacon for liberty and freedom.

2 quotes:

"with hardship there is ease, indeed with hardship there is ease"
- Quran surah Nashrah

"i am successful because i have failed over and over again"
- Michael Jordan

if jordan attained success only after being cut from his high school basketball team, then who are we to jump right in an start drawing test matches a mere 7 years after we start playing?

brockley
January 18, 2008, 07:58 PM
It maybe that australia has a busy summer.
I bet when the dust settles you will find its 2 tests and 3 one dayers.
I am aussie and i haven't heard anything in the press about it.

Eshen
January 18, 2008, 08:11 PM
I am aussie and i haven't heard anything in the press about it.
I think that's because your board does not leak inside info to journos like our board does.

tiger_army
January 18, 2008, 08:24 PM
We cannot blame Aussies for that.......
First of all its not a Cricket season during july- August, SCG, MCG, GABBA these major stadiums will be scheduled heavily for AFL(Australian Football League) and NRL (National Rugby League). that is why last time we had to play in Crains and Darwin.But these year there are few Rugby Union games are scheduled in Crains as well. So i thnk it is tough for CA to arrange a ground for 5+5 (10 days) even in Crains and Darwin. Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane is beyond any question. because they dont want to sacrifice their AFL, NRL games for sake of BD series, and i thnk its fair enough for them..

Rubu
January 18, 2008, 09:04 PM
AF, when Zim were (still in there) unable to play test, they quickly realized it and withdrew themselves from test and I'm sure they are preparing meanwhile to get back. My personal view is also the same, we are simply not good enough to participate in the test arena right now. first we need to put together some VERY BASICS of test cricket before we go in the middle to make a mockery of ourselves.

no, it is not just 2 tests. go back to 2000, and start from there, in this 8 years we have not learned a single thing. here is a short list of things that we should have learned but did not learn

1. test cricket is a 5 day game. you need to wait for the bad balls to punish it. not every ball is meant for boundary. I cannot emphasis this enough, this is the very basic of test cricket and our players did not learn it in 8 years. and since it did not work with play and learn in 8 years, I'm afraid, a different approach is needed. they still go after the ball, like para cricket where each players has 2 overs quota no matter what.

2. Anything outside the off stump is meant to be left alone.
3. Anything short is not meant for hook or pull.
4. The position is called slip, not sleep. you cannot sleep there.
5. Catches win matches, 1 out of each 3 is not enough.
6. When all fielders are on off side, the ball should not go to leg side.
7. SRA (slow right arm) bowing is not meant for bouncers or anything else fancy for that matter. if your weapon is limited bowl accordingly. Opponents doing it does not mean you can do it too.

did they learn this concept in 8 years? NO. they can never separate ODI from test, and until that happens, whats the point?

In the last game thread, I posted a score card type thing before our second innings started regarding how they got out. compare that with the original and you will see how obvious they have become. Its seriously time, we reconsider our approach.

Mere seven years is not the point. Progress is the point. I do not expect them to draw or win. Just show that you have the right approach, you learned from your mistakes and you are careful not to repeat it. they repeat it and is proud of it.

Russell2k7
January 18, 2008, 10:20 PM
I couldn't agree more with the above post. You tackle easier problems first/learn basics instead of going straight to the harder ones; otherwise, you will be in for hell of a problem.
Anyway, in order to redeem themselves they MUST draw a test match with the Saffers.

wiseshah
January 18, 2008, 11:00 PM
Australia ken je khelte raji na tar ashol proman NZ tour..tara wicket throwing dekhte chai na.. khub valo hoiche..amader shonar chelera ebar bujuk

lol. Bd will play better against aussie than NZ in any given day. i assume that. anyway, who wants to play with underdog who doesnt have any sign of improvement? i dont blame aussie

al Furqaan
January 18, 2008, 11:38 PM
Rubu bhai,

If you never want to follow BD Test cricket ever again, then thats fine.

I am not arguing that BD is Test-ready or Test-worthy. The only way you are going to learn to play Test cricket is by playing Test cricket. plain and simple.

Lets look at the facts, excluding England and Australia (who were the only test nations for a good while) here are win-loss-draw stats of each of the other 6 nations in their first 20 years of Tests:

South Africa - 4 wins, 12 losses, 3 draws
West Indies - 4 wins, 12 losses, 6 draws
India - 0 wins, 12 losses, 12 draws
New Zealand - 0 wins, 6 losses, 14 draws
Pakistan - 10 wins, 18 losses, 34 draws
Sri Lanka - 32 wins, 51 losses, 46 draws

Sri Lanka (first 10 years) - 3 wins, 20 losses, 19 draws

so its quite apparent that the teams that played more matches, developed at a faster and faster rate. the answer is not less matches, its more Test matches. we might have been back in the Test fold now for some 8 months, but a 13 month lay off was sufficient to really kill us and put is in the ODI mode.

why do we need more test matches? for a number of reasons:

1) most important, if we give up test status voluntarily or ICC revokes, trust me, WE WILL NEVER GET IT BACK UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!

2) if a maths student has trouble with algebra, do they go and start practicing reading? no. do they go and start practicing counting? no, they go back and work on the fundementals of math leading upto algebra. unfortunately, for us we have nothing to go back to, to work on our fundamentals. so such pre-Test arena exists.

a) the NCL does no good, and it is a completely useless predictor in Test performance. it might be a good place to spot talented players and seperate them from not so talented players. but we know that players who score well at NCL might flop in Tests, and those that stink in NCL turn out to be guys named Ashraful or Aftab.

b) A team tours are too far and few between to be of any real use.

c) if our boys played at the counties, it would help immensely but they haven't made any offers.

d) playing in other teams domestic 4 day set-ups just means we learn to bash non-Test teams. the same three ring circuses would continue once we played actual Test sides.

e) the idea that our 2007 WC performance occurred because of playing associates for a year is erroneous. the WC wins were in spite of that. and actually, we haven't improved that much in ODIs, in a sense that we aren't consistent. one win here and there is not enough anymore. it was success and improvement in 2005, but not in 2008. so the 2006 cupcake schedule argument doesn't work.

f) if we lose test status, WE WON'T EVER GET IT BACK.

g) if we lose test status, WE WON'T EVER GET IT BACK.

h) if we lose test status, WE WON'T EVER GET IT BACK.

Beamer
January 19, 2008, 12:01 AM
Its not entirely correct to say that we haven't progressed at all since our test inception in 2001. We were making some progress around '03-05 when we played overseas against strong teams like Australia, Pakistan and West Indies. Our batting wasn't so bad then if you compare it with performance from last year to now when scoring 200 in an innings has become a struggle. Why? For a starter, we had a very consistent Bashar, who in every other innings ( sometimes in every innings ) gave a solid 50-70 runs , in partnership with somebody, be it JO, Ash etc, and that usually translated into a 100 run partnership. How many big partnerships have you seen recently? Only two! Tamim-Junaid in NZ and before that, Ash - Rahim in SL, and on both occasion, the team total was somewhat respectable. So, every time Bashar gave the innings a shot in the arm, usually some one else followed it up with some more runs by way of partnerships , and finally, the tail was very effective those days anchored by tough minded Mashud, superb Rafiq and a more than useful Tapash! And, you had a half decent 230-50 total more often. Fast forward it to 2007-08 and you will see that its an entirely new crop of batsmen, save Ash, who are also very young. The solid contribution from the trio of Bashar, Pilot, Rafiq and yes, even JO are no more. Either time has caught up with them or at the very least knocking on the door. It is the end of an era so to speak which started way before we got the test status. It is after all the Bashar-Pilot-Rafiq-Bulbul-Biddut-Opi era that got us playing test and they all had run their courses before and by 2005. Combine that with boneheaded selection panel of Mainul and the tutelage under Mohsin kamal, and we had a bad beginning to test arena. By 2003, we did turn a corner, but the time for those stalwarts were also coming to an end.

I think its unfair to say we haven't progressed in eight years or so. We just never had any continuation. Too many players coming in and out, a few very good players coming to the end of their career, a non-existent domestic structure to pick players from - all culminates to what we are right now- a start, stop, start again situation. I would say 2001-03 was an era when we were star struck with bad coaching and selection team to go with it. It was followed by 03-05 when we were actually beginning to find our feet in tests despite not having a strong bowling attack. Then came the year gap in playing tests which destroyed any momentum that we had from years before, and finally the end of playing career of some very good players. Now, its a new cycle, with new coach, a lot of new young players who were in half pants in 2001, and its a new start all over again. There was never any continuation from 2001-2008 where you can say that the very same players haven't learnt anything. We need to recognize it, give the new guys four-five years to learn, though seniors like Ash must step up now, and not be so impatient. On a positive note to end, we have a good crop of budding young bowlers to look forward to, and may have found a solution to our perennial search of two good openers. Got a good coach who is looking for the right ingredient to build a new team. In many ways, 2007 is our second birth to test arena, and 2008 has just begun. So, lets not look at the current team through a prism of eight years of reflection. Its far from it.

al Furqaan
January 19, 2008, 12:13 AM
well said, Beamer bhai, as always.

one note to make:

It was followed by 03-05 when we were actually beginning to find our feet in tests despite not having a strong bowling attack.

our attack at that time was mashrafee-tapash-mushfiq babu-chacha-rafique...how awful is that??? yet we were consistently taking wickets. why? because the batsmen were putting up 250+ on a routine basis.

if our batsmen can put up 300, and everyone here thinks that is a reasonable expectation, there is no reason why an attack of mash-rajib-sajid-enam/rafique shouldn't be able to bowl teams out under 400 on a routine basis thereby producing some quality matches.

add to that the fact that if we can stretch a game to the 4th day (not many tests go to 5th nowadays) on a dusty track...who knows the kind of magic enam-sakib-ash could work in the 4th innings of a match.

all our problems stem from poor batting. if batting improves 2 fold, our performance will increase 4 fold.

Beamer
January 19, 2008, 12:21 AM
This ICC schedule is too cramped for many countries. There are just too many games year around to begin with. Player burn out and injuries are real concern. So, not surprised by this rumor as Bangladesh will be the first casualty if a team is scheduled to play us. They will cite burn out excuses and money is always a big deal these days. We need to accelerate the learning process and we need games for that. SL has been very supportive of us and gave us a series every year. Why isn't BCB more pro-active with West Indies board? Geographical distance and cost associated with it? Maybe, but we need knock on their door and try to have our own bilateral agreement with them with reciprocal visits on yearly basis.

Beamer
January 19, 2008, 12:25 AM
well said, Beamer bhai, as always.

one note to make:



our attack at that time was mashrafee-tapash-mushfiq babu-chacha-rafique...how awful is that??? yet we were consistently taking wickets. why? because the batsmen were putting up 250+ on a routine basis.

if our batsmen can put up 300, and everyone here thinks that is a reasonable expectation, there is no reason why an attack of mash-rajib-sajid-enam/rafique shouldn't be able to bowl teams out under 400 on a routine basis thereby producing some quality matches.

add to that the fact that if we can stretch a game to the 4th day (not many tests go to 5th nowadays) on a dusty track...who knows the kind of magic enam-sakib-ash could work in the 4th innings of a match.

all our problems stem from poor batting. if batting improves 2 fold, our performance will increase 4 fold.

You completely get it. I agree. Batting ruins any initiative for our bowlers. No support from batsmen at all.

Mash was hurt a lot back then. Got hurt vs England at home. Missed the trip to Zimbabwe ( good team that one ), WI..

One World
January 19, 2008, 12:35 AM
Here is a link to an ODI that was played between Srilanka and India in BD during 1988.

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65676.html

The reason I put this link because

1. Srilanka were batting first and managed to score a healthy 271 runs.
2. The Srilankan middle order shared the runs among them
3. Out of 271, only 60 runs came from boundary and 4 from bowlers
4. and 200+ runs were made only by RUNNING BETWEEN THE WICKETS

Its an ODI that I always remember. Watching the Srilankan's finding the gap, making room for their strokes and taking every opportunity to make singles, doubles and triples were priceless. All the commentators were in praise of this team and sealed it with one statement, "The Srilankans did their homework".

Srilanka overplayed India to win the match. The gritty attitude shown by that young team was the early platform on their way to win the WC.

Why it is mentioned here, ask me :callme:.

al Furqaan
January 19, 2008, 12:50 AM
You completely get it. I agree. Batting ruins any initiative for our bowlers. No support from batsmen at all.

Mash was hurt a lot back then. Got hurt vs England at home. Missed the trip to Zimbabwe ( good team that one ), WI..

yea i forgot to mention that mash was gone for most of our 2003 successes. so the attack was effectively tapash-chacha-babu-rafique...that attack would be torn to shreds by the likes of bermuda under 15s!!!!

kalpurush
January 19, 2008, 12:57 AM
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আমরা নিজেরাই যেখানে আমাদের দলের পেছনে নেই...অন্যরাতো থাকতে চাইবেই না! যেহেতু আমরা টেস্ট দলভুক্ত, তাই অস্ট্রেলিয়া আইনত বাধ্য আমাদের সাথে টেস্ট খেলতে-আই সি সি নিয়ম অনুযায়ী। আমাদের খারাপ খেলার সাথেতো সেটার কোন সম্পরক নেই!! কোথায় আমরা অন্যায়ের প্রতিবাদ করবো, তানা, উলটা নিজেদের দোষ খুজছি!!!:o
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kalpurush
January 19, 2008, 01:07 AM
This ICC schedule is too cramped for many countries. There are just too many games year around to begin with. Player burn out and injuries are real concern. So, not surprised by this rumor as Bangladesh will be the first casualty if a team is scheduled to play us. They will cite burn out excuses and money is always a big deal these days. We need to accelerate the learning process and we need games for that. SL has been very supportive of us and gave us a series every year. Why isn't BCB more pro-active with West Indies board? Geographical distance and cost associated with it? Maybe, but we need knock on their door and try to have our own bilateral agreement with them with reciprocal visits on yearly basis.
বিসিবি থেকে কিছু গাধা সরিয়ে বিসি থেকে আপনার মত কয়েকজন কে বসাতে পারলে তবেই সেটা সম্ভব...:)

kalpurush
January 19, 2008, 01:13 AM
This is really lame :down:
Spitfire Bhai...could you please explain why top 8 team will take part in CT? Why not 10? :)

cricket_king
January 19, 2008, 02:19 AM
Ahh man...if they aren't going to give us any test matches, then what's the point in even bothering to play in Australia? This is why I wish Zimbabwe would play test - just like they helped us in the ODIs, they'd help our players get into that winning mood in test matches, and maybe also help improve our test record...slightly.

Spitfire_x86
January 19, 2008, 03:56 AM
Spitfire Bhai...could you please explain why top 8 team will take part in CT? Why not 10? :)
Because the bottom 2 are considerably inferior than any of the top #8 (arguably not much than WI on their good days), hence have significantly less market value.

I don't like what's happening, but I'm also not deluded enough to think that it's connected with racism.

Dhakablues
January 19, 2008, 05:00 AM
Being logical doesnt mean that we are less of a patriot. Logic speaks that we dont have the ability to play test cricket. We must admit that and work on it.... there is no point in getting upset with ACB with cancelling our test matches. They dont want to lose money again ( they did that once with Darwin matches)..Think of it this way, would Bangladesh host Nepal for full fledged series twice? We are Nepal to other test countries if not Barbadose. We brought this ignomy upon ourselves by playing rash, irresponsible, foolish, U-19 cricket at the elite cricket level. We made ourselves the lowest caste... does that hurt? Thats how I feel when I see each match ending in 2.25 days and thats only because our cricketers wont or cant learn from their mistakes. If they dont know how to play test cricket.. then fine, dont play it until u are ready... its that simple. Patriotim should be questioned to our cricketers,, not the fans.

Rubu
January 19, 2008, 10:08 AM
AF, I'm not saying that if we stop playing test cricket everything will be fixed. In fact, I do not know what will fix the problem. But think about it, how interested we will be playing China? We need to at least prove our worth that we will not be a joke in the field for the opponent to be interested. And once again, its the attitude that bothers me the most.
just look at this scorecard, it is the case in every single match:

1. player hooks a short ball and gives catch.
2. player gives outside edge to keeper playing ball 1 feet outside offstump
3. player gets lbw for not moving his leg and getting on the line.
4. player mistakes the game for 20/20 and blasts 3 fours at a row. misses the line on the 4th one.
5. player run out from miss understanding.
6. leaves a ball on off stamp and gets bowled out
7. catch out trying to play over the top.
8. umpiring mistake gives lbw
9. umpiring mistake gives lbw/catch
10. bowler gets one from good ball

you do not need to be a rocket scientist to understand the basic concept. And I think we should be able to do that in domestic cricket (if we can't we cannot do it anywhere). until then, why we put up a shameful display? No, I do not think if ZIM wants to come back, there will be a problem. but what benefited them is that no one is talking bad about them. if we keep playing like this, enemies will get the excuse they need to strip off our test status. and we are actually giving them the chance to do so. and, you do not go to soccer world cup to learn how to kick the ball. you do that at the back of your house. once you know at least how to kick the ball, you start going to the next step. there is no point going to a test match without not even knowing the basic. if we get out in 50 runs and bowlers earn all 10 wickets, I will not have a problem. but until we learn to do that we should not be in the middle.

Ishtylish cricketer
January 19, 2008, 11:37 AM
This is the problem with this system. ICC has no spine. Countries can't refuse to play others just because they are bad. You don't see that in NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB, EPL, Series A, etc. ICC should make the schedule and not major contributors to ICC's income. It really makes me sick. If you don't play major teams how do you improve? It's just non-sensical. Anyways, I have no hopes for BD anymore. Shame on the players.

jahidus200
January 19, 2008, 12:10 PM
We dont deserve to be a test playing country with this level of skillsets. Either we play more test matches or we dont play before we are ready. I mean, its been a good 6/7 years and still we are saying we are learning. It means, there is something wrong in our learning... Think about the host country where they lose money hosting those matches, sponsors cant trust that their product will appear for more than 2.5 days, spectatators are not going to ask for days off,, as they dont know if the series will last for more than 2 days with the irritating Bangladeshi players,, seriouslly, passion aside, do we really qualify as a test nation? Can we beat a single country in test cricket just for once? I doubt that. Hence, if Australia cancels the tour and India dont want to host us,,, all I can say is, we deserve it. I wouldnve have said that couple years back when we were really trying hard... but these days, I dont think our players are committed to play test cricket. They want to go for quick wins, chokka, char, "dancing down the wicket",, than having the true test mindset...

yeah thats quite right

Ahmed_B
January 19, 2008, 01:04 PM
We dont deserve to be a test playing country with this level of skillsets. Either we play more test matches or we dont play before we are ready. I mean, its been a good 6/7 years and still we are saying we are learning. It means, there is something wrong in our learning... Think about the host country where they lose money hosting those matches, sponsors cant trust that their product will appear for more than 2.5 days, spectatators are not going to ask for days off,, as they dont know if the series will last for more than 2 days with the irritating Bangladeshi players,, seriouslly, passion aside, do we really qualify as a test nation? Can we beat a single country in test cricket just for once? I doubt that. Hence, if Australia cancels the tour and India dont want to host us,,, all I can say is, we deserve it. I wouldnve have said that couple years back when we were really trying hard... but these days, I dont think our players are committed to play test cricket. They want to go for quick wins, chokka, char, "dancing down the wicket",, than having the true test mindset...
[বাংলা]ব্যাপারটা হল 'ডিম আগে নাকি মুরগী আগে?' ধরনের একটা ধাঁধা!
বাংলাদেশ দল কি আগে টেস্ট-মান অর্জন করে তারপর কঠিন প্রতিপক্ষের সাথে খেলবে? নাকি কঠিন প্রতিপক্ষের সাথে খেলে খেলেই দলটি মজবুত টেস্ট-দল হয়ে উঠবে? এই প্রশ্নটা বাংলাদেশ দলের জন্য অনেক বেশী জরুরী, কারন এদেশের ঘরোয়া ক্রীকেট মোটেও এত বেশী মানসম্পন্ন না, যে তা খেলোয়াড়দেরকে আন্তর্জাতিক টেস্ট-ম্যাচের সমান প্রতিপক্ষ অথবা আবহ (টেম্পারমেন্টের দিক থেকে) এনে দিবে! দুঃখজনক হলেও সত্যি যে, নিয়মিত হাই-প্রোফাইল টেস্ট ম্যাচ খেলাই এই দলের জন্য শেখার একমাত্র পথ!

এবার আসি এই দলটা আদৌ কিছু শিখছে কিনা, সেই প্রসঙ্গে। কি করে এত সহজে ভুলে গেলেন মূলতানকে? কি করে ভুলে গেলেন পাঁচ দিন হাড্ডাহাড্ডি লড়াই করে ওয়েস্ট-ইন্ডিজের সাথে ড্র-করা টেস্টের কথা? কিভাবে ভুলে গেলেন ২০০৫ এ রিকি পন্টিং-এর ঘাম ঝরানো নার্ভ-ছেঁড়া ইনিংস্‌ দিয়ে ম্যাচ বাঁচানোর লড়াইটাকে? খেয়াল করলে দেখতে পাবেন, এই সবকটি উল্লেখযোগ্য পার্ফরমেন্সই সেই সময়ের, যখন বাংলাদেশ নিয়মিত টেস্ট সিরিজ খেলে গেছে।

এক বছরের বেশী সময় টেস্ট-আবহ থেকে দূরে থাকার ফলাফল এই মুহুর্তে ভালভাবেই টের পাওয়া যাচ্ছে দলের অবস্থায়। শুধু তাই নয়, এই লম্বা ব্রেক-টাইমে দলে ঢুকেছে অনেক নতুন মুখ -যারা নিয়মিত বিরতিতে পর্যায়ক্রমিক অন্তর্ভুক্তি থেকে বঞ্চিত হয়েছে শুধুমাত্র এই দলের টেস্ট-ম্যাচ খেলার এই লম্বা বিরতির কারনে। বলতে গেলে দলের এখন অবস্থা হয়েছে শূন্য থেকে আবার শুরু করার মত!

সুতরাং চিন্তা করে দেখেন... টেস্টের মাঠ থেকে মান-সম্মানের ভয়ে পলায়ন করবেন? নাকি কষ্ট হলেও দাঁত কামড়ে পড়ে থেকে ধীরে ধীরে দলকে সামনে আগানোর সময়টা দিবেন? কারন এটুকু অন্ততঃ বলতে পারি, যে ২০০৩-০৫ এ দলটা যেভাবে উঠে এসেছিল, ঠিক একই ভাবে এই নবীন দলটাও ৩/৪ বছরের মধ্যে আবারো উঠে দাঁড়াবে! কিন্তু ফ্যানেরা সেই ধৈর্য্য কি রাখবেন?[/বাংলা]

akabir77
January 19, 2008, 01:28 PM
Ahmed B great post. I just don't understand why people have hard time understanding this...
Don''t just say 7 years 7 years we have started from 1st after that 13 months gap.

Russell2k7
January 19, 2008, 01:44 PM
Rubu bhai,

If you never want to follow BD Test cricket ever again, then thats fine.

I am not arguing that BD is Test-ready or Test-worthy. The only way you are going to learn to play Test cricket is by playing Test cricket. plain and simple.

Lets look at the facts, excluding England and Australia (who were the only test nations for a good while) here are win-loss-draw stats of each of the other 6 nations in their first 20 years of Tests:

South Africa - 4 wins, 12 losses, 3 draws
West Indies - 4 wins, 12 losses, 6 draws
India - 0 wins, 12 losses, 12 draws
New Zealand - 0 wins, 6 losses, 14 draws
Pakistan - 10 wins, 18 losses, 34 draws
Sri Lanka - 32 wins, 51 losses, 46 draws

Sri Lanka (first 10 years) - 3 wins, 20 losses, 19 draws

so its quite apparent that the teams that played more matches, developed at a faster and faster rate. the answer is not less matches, its more Test matches. we might have been back in the Test fold now for some 8 months, but a 13 month lay off was sufficient to really kill us and put is in the ODI mode.

why do we need more test matches? for a number of reasons:

1) most important, if we give up test status voluntarily or ICC revokes, trust me, WE WILL NEVER GET IT BACK UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!

2) if a maths student has trouble with algebra, do they go and start practicing reading? no. do they go and start practicing counting? no, they go back and work on the fundementals of math leading upto algebra. unfortunately, for us we have nothing to go back to, to work on our fundamentals. so such pre-Test arena exists.

a) the NCL does no good, and it is a completely useless predictor in Test performance. it might be a good place to spot talented players and seperate them from not so talented players. but we know that players who score well at NCL might flop in Tests, and those that stink in NCL turn out to be guys named Ashraful or Aftab.

b) A team tours are too far and few between to be of any real use.

c) if our boys played at the counties, it would help immensely but they haven't made any offers.

d) playing in other teams domestic 4 day set-ups just means we learn to bash non-Test teams. the same three ring circuses would continue once we played actual Test sides.

e) the idea that our 2007 WC performance occurred because of playing associates for a year is erroneous. the WC wins were in spite of that. and actually, we haven't improved that much in ODIs, in a sense that we aren't consistent. one win here and there is not enough anymore. it was success and improvement in 2005, but not in 2008. so the 2006 cupcake schedule argument doesn't work.

f) if we lose test status, WE WON'T EVER GET IT BACK.

g) if we lose test status, WE WON'T EVER GET IT BACK.

h) if we lose test status, WE WON'T EVER GET IT BACK.

We played more games compared to those countries within just 8 years. SRL in those 10years played 42 games with 47.6% loss while we have 88.2% loss with help of ZIM; otherwise, it's 95.2% with other teams. We played more games still no improvement in terms of loss ratio. No one would complain if our Loss% drop to atleast around 70%.

al Furqaan
January 19, 2008, 01:46 PM
1. player hooks a short ball and gives catch.
2. player gives outside edge to keeper playing ball 1 feet outside offstump
3. player gets lbw for not moving his leg and getting on the line.
4. player mistakes the game for 20/20 and blasts 3 fours at a row. misses the line on the 4th one.
5. player run out from miss understanding.
6. leaves a ball on off stamp and gets bowled out
7. catch out trying to play over the top.
8. umpiring mistake gives lbw
9. umpiring mistake gives lbw/catch
10. bowler gets one from good ball

Rubu bhai:

1) i agree this is a problem because our boys will hook and get out for 10. but most wickets in int'l cricket are due to batsmen's poor shot selection. only difference (it is a BIG difference) is that dravid will play a poor shot after scoring 60+ runs and aftab will do it after blocking 20 balls and scoring a duck.

it is evident, that DW did not really address these issues. in fact, other than day-dreaming about coaching India, I really don't think DW did anything at all. his first year was good, but after that any success we had (beating india twice, SL, AUS, RSA) was done more by just our natural "once in 6 months" ability. i think DW as a coach sucked because he was unmotivated to coach our boys.

i hope the JS is different, and from his initial comments it seems he is. one can only hope that he stays that way.

2) yes

3) again this happens to everyone, other than our JO, and perhaps SN none of our batsmen get out to good LBWs any more than sat hussey or ponting. of course this excluding the dubious calls that go against us.

4) agreed...if we change this single aspect of our approach we will be a decent Test side

5) apart from Haba last summer, this doesn't happen to us any more than it happens to anyone else.

6) again, this doesn't happen to us that often.

7) directly related to number 4...major problem this one

8 and 9) we can't do anything about that other than maybe file a complaint to ICC, but BCB will have to prove it and even then i doubt anything would happen. we aren't as powerful as india.

10) didn't understand this one

bottom line is, we went in to NZ in tough conditions and failed badly. i think in the end it was expected. but our bowlers did an good job, not outstanding, but then again it was given the total batsmen set up.

the fact that we scored 137, 254, 143, and 113 should not be the source of disappointment; if it is, it means we are being unrealistic. what should be disappointing is the fact that we scored 254 after being 161-0 and the fact that we fielded so poorly in T2D2.

but i think JS will fix these in due time. lets not forget that he lost 1 week of time with the boys by watchig them play in NCL an extra round. that was a bad idea in the short term NZ tour context. but a good idea in the long term context of bangladesh cricket.

provided we have a long term.

al Furqaan
January 19, 2008, 01:49 PM
We played more games compared to those countries within just 8 years. SRL in those 10years played 42 games with 47.6% loss while we have 88.2% loss with help of ZIM; otherwise, it's 95.2% with other teams. We played more games still no improvement in terms of loss ratio. No one would complain if our Loss% drop to atleast around 70%.

true, but that doesn't mean that less tests = quicker development.

bangladesh has 2 and only 2 choices, this is not my opinion, this is fact:

a) continue playing tests and getting embarrassed

b) forget about cricket and concentrate on "chor, pooleesh, dakaat"

Rubu
January 19, 2008, 02:35 PM
I think the question is not about improving but learning. you cannot improve unless you play against stronger opponents, but that is not the way to learn. its like buying a musical instrument for the first time and going to a competition with it. you have to do the learning yourself first. the way we play test cricket, I have high doubt that the current bunch has learn that basic first.

AF, the number 10, is 1 out of 10 wickets, that the bowler earns. we give the other 9 to the bowler as gift.

No, I do not intend not to follow cricket. I want to, but what them to approach the game that would help them get better. you cannot just buy a getter and go to a musical contest, you learn to play it first then go and compete against betters to get better. we as it seems in test, are doing the 2nd step first. that is where my problem is.

zainab
January 19, 2008, 03:01 PM
For heaven's sake It is not as if BD had 2 very heavy defeats against NZ, like what happened in SL.
They did not have an innings defeat in the first test, bowled out NZ for less than 400 runs, this is the reason why the match did not advance to the fourth day, because no one in NZ side made heavy scores, unlike the SL series.
There, each time Jayawardena declared after his batsmen scored double century and centuries. here there was no declaration, the NZ team was bowled out in both innings and no batsman scored a century. BIG DIFFERENCE IN BOTH SERIES.
They did better in their second innings in SL, failed in first innings, was bowled out twice for under 100 runs. Here this did not happen. I see a few positives here. Their bowlers bowled OK to get rid of NZ. Their batting and fielding let them down.
Another crucial blunder on the part of the BCB is that this tour was arranged poorly, they should have played a couple of 3 or 4 days innings to get used to local conditions, play the Test matches first, then the ODIs. It was done backwards.

In as much as everyone is frustrated, we have to stick with the team and hope that they will learn very quickly now.

If they withdraw from Test cricket, it will be hard for them to gain readmission, like what is happening with Zimbabwe, so if they continue to play test m atches, let them continue doing so. I am sure Coach Siddons will try his best for them.

akabir77
January 19, 2008, 03:31 PM
get this through your thick head, if no TEST then there won't be any sort of any games. period. TEST playing nation will not let our A B or C team Play at their grounds with their D E or F teams. so Like Al F Bhai said either we learn this way or stop playing international Cricket and do what football did..

akabir77
January 19, 2008, 03:35 PM
oh btw more games doesn't guarantee more improvement. some countries went through three generation of cricketers before they saw a TEST win. And we still have some cricketers from 1st test. when we will pass the 3 generation of crickets then u guy do that comparison...

israr
January 19, 2008, 03:52 PM
true, but that doesn't mean that less tests = quicker development.

bangladesh has 2 and only 2 choices, this is not my opinion, this is fact:

a) continue playing tests and getting embarrassed

b) forget about cricket and concentrate on "chor, pooleesh, dakaat"

I agree with you on this one.
However, I'd just make one change;
a) continue playing tests and getting embarrassed and eventually improve as an elite team

dash
January 19, 2008, 04:08 PM
its bad news
aus r now following the trend set by india
i am woried if all teams start following it

Kabir
January 19, 2008, 04:10 PM
No reason. they just want to play top 8. this is racism at its best...

Bhaijan...sorry, but how is this racism? This can be classism, professionalism, richism, or we-play-better-ism.

I don't see any hint of racism there. Sorry if I missed something :)

al Furqaan
January 19, 2008, 04:55 PM
get this through your thick head, if no TEST then there won't be any sort of any games. period. TEST playing nation will not let our A B or C team Play at their grounds with their D E or F teams. so Like Al F Bhai said either we learn this way or stop playing international Cricket and do what football did..

exactly, if there isn't a test series there won't be any ODIs either (something we're actually half decent at). don't believe me? look at kenya they were ODI status, and how many matches they got from 2003-present? and now they lost their permenent ODI status.

oh btw more games doesn't guarantee more improvement. some countries went through three generation of cricketers before they saw a TEST win. And we still have some cricketers from 1st test. when we will pass the 3 generation of crickets then u guy do that comparison...

correct again, most of those nations went through generations of test cricketers. which mean that the 2nd and 3rd gens had sources of inspiration and advice from the 1st and 2nd gens which preceded them.

when ashraful was in grade school, bangladesh still was not a cricket playing nation. we have been a full time cricket playing nation for only 10 years...that equates to a little over 1 generation of players. once HB, JO, MR, and KM retire we will finally finish generation 0 and move onto the current youngsters who are generation 1.

its gonna take 5-20 years for BD to be a serious test nation. and it won't happen by "going back and working on fundementals" simply because that transitionary state does not exist!

al Furqaan
January 19, 2008, 04:59 PM
I think the question is not about improving but learning. you cannot improve unless you play against stronger opponents, but that is not the way to learn. its like buying a musical instrument for the first time and going to a competition with it. you have to do the learning yourself first. the way we play test cricket, I have high doubt that the current bunch has learn that basic first.

AF, the number 10, is 1 out of 10 wickets, that the bowler earns. we give the other 9 to the bowler as gift.

No, I do not intend not to follow cricket. I want to, but what them to approach the game that would help them get better. you cannot just buy a getter and go to a musical contest, you learn to play it first then go and compete against betters to get better. we as it seems in test, are doing the 2nd step first. that is where my problem is.

i understand that...but at the same time i feel that we need to give Siddons a real chance. 3 weeks is not enough time.

shaun williams was a stop gap coachin measure, so that doesn't count.

and DW its obvious had his own agendas, worked with limited talent for much of the time, and also inherited a woefully inept team. that is a combination more lethal than mohsin kamal khan ever could have dreamed of being.

and then we had kamal khan.

we are basically starting off right now. measure the NZ tour if you want, but lets see what JS does.

in the meantime, lets pray that OZ don't scrap teh tests, the tri series goes on, and teh asia cup remains this summer.

zainab
January 19, 2008, 06:37 PM
The Aussies might follow India and say, we will come and tour in BD, but we do not have the time to host you, easy way to get out of this July tour. I doubt whether they will pull out after it has been arranged and put on the calender by the ICC.

Rubu
January 19, 2008, 07:57 PM
I STRONGLY disagree with all of you who says that withdrawing from test cricket means we'll never play test again. in fact, that is the EXACT opposite of the whole situation.

if we keep playing like this, they will strip off our test status and we will never play test again. but if we withdraw now until we are ready, we will keep playing. i'll again, bring ZIM as an example. they can comeback whenever they want and there will always be countries like Pakistan or SL or WI who will not mind playing them. same will happen to us. but as I said, keep playing like this and pretty soon we'll see whats coming.

now, off course, there is an alternative to this, we play but improve. unfortunately, I do not see that sign. play like test and get out within 50, fine. and ICC will not mind that either. but when they see these guys do not even have the basic concept and plays test like ODI they will say ok let them play ODI.

brockley
January 19, 2008, 08:13 PM
Are australia due to play a test series against bangladesh?

Russell2k7
January 19, 2008, 09:01 PM
When is this tour suppose to take place anyway?

al Furqaan
January 19, 2008, 10:10 PM
I STRONGLY disagree with all of you who says that withdrawing from test cricket means we'll never play test again. in fact, that is the EXACT opposite of the whole situation.

if we keep playing like this, they will strip off our test status and we will never play test again. but if we withdraw now until we are ready, we will keep playing. i'll again, bring ZIM as an example. they can comeback whenever they want and there will always be countries like Pakistan or SL or WI who will not mind playing them. same will happen to us. but as I said, keep playing like this and pretty soon we'll see whats coming.

now, off course, there is an alternative to this, we play but improve. unfortunately, I do not see that sign. play like test and get out within 50, fine. and ICC will not mind that either. but when they see these guys do not even have the basic concept and plays test like ODI they will say ok let them play ODI.

Rubu bhai, you misunderstand the zimbabwe situation.

Zimbabwe voluntarily forfeited Test status for 1 year or so. ICC then said that it would suspend them indefinitely. Zimbabwe CANNOT come back to the Test fold on their own decision. ICC (read England, Australia, and India) have sole say in the matter of bringing Zimbabwe back. And they won't bring them back (whether rightly or wrongly).

If we give up Test status voluntarily, don't think that we can waltz back in whenever we want. We will never come back. Ever.

You can voluntarily leave the Test fold, but you will have get ICC permission to even apply to come back. The door is a one-way door, my friend.

And if we don't have Test status, we won't play ODIs either. Except for a series here and there against Zimbabwe, Ireland and Kenya.

Let ICC strip us of Test status, but we won't give it up on our own.

Bangladesh is NOT Zimbabwe.

PS: lets give Siddons some more time, preferably a week, before we start trying destroy the thing we love.

al Furqaan
January 19, 2008, 10:12 PM
Also, isn't this whole thread based upon hearsay?

what is the source that CA is planning to scrap the tour? If they don't leak decisions to the press, then how do we know about this?

amra_korbo_joy
January 19, 2008, 11:08 PM
Prescription for Bangladesh Team:

1. Bangladesh should play unofficial test with A team of other test nation team for next 2 years only, and volentarily blackout test. In this way, they will more used to playing longer version game in faster wicket. Other nation will also invite us enthusiastically.

2. Bangladesh should not play any more ODI for the next 2 years. ODI is killing our cricket. They can play 20/20 though. 20/20 does not any have effect on test.

Tigers_eye
January 19, 2008, 11:14 PM
A test match is 5 day game. finishing the match 2 and a half day has ruined the interest of many big nations supporters/sponsors/boards.
If test can not be arranged then how about a host of FC matches over there with regional teams? We are still at the learning stage. That should help the November (SA) and December (SL) series.

Nocturnal
January 19, 2008, 11:22 PM
today's daily shomokal says-

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al Furqaan
January 19, 2008, 11:29 PM
Prescription for Bangladesh Team:

1. Bangladesh should play unofficial test with A team of other test nation team for next 2 years only, and volentarily blackout test. In this way, they will more used to playing longer version game in faster wicket. Other nation will also invite us enthusiastically.

2. Bangladesh should not play any more ODI for the next 2 years. ODI is killing our cricket. They can play 20/20 though. 20/20 does not any have effect on test.

yes other nations will invite our players enthusiastically...to clean toilets, drive cabs, open up dollar stores, run a gas station. and if they're lucky enough, they might even get a 2 year, all expenses paid, trip to Gitmo: waterboarding free of charge!

Pundit
January 19, 2008, 11:35 PM
I was wondering how easy it will be to do the following:

Get a world TEST ranking of each team we have played against, when we played against them?

Pundit
January 19, 2008, 11:38 PM
Chin up, fellows. The team is re-building. Like Mr. Coach just said - we need them to play together for a while.

I think the average age of the team has dipped further since the WC. The team against SA then was at 23, with JOB and Bashar and Rafique in that squad.

I just wish Bashar and Rafique were not slipping away as fast as they have been - for whatever reason.

Ishtylish cricketer
January 19, 2008, 11:45 PM
Nope it wouldn't.

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2008, 12:01 AM
today's daily shomokal says-

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6f68224604.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

much ado about nothing then? looks like people here have talked a tad early.

Nocturnal
January 20, 2008, 12:13 AM
much ado about nothing then? looks like people here have talked a tad early.

exactly my point :D

kalpurush
January 20, 2008, 12:20 AM
Because the bottom 2 are considerably inferior than any of the top #8 (arguably not much than WI on their good days), hence have significantly less market value.

I don't like what's happening, but I'm also not deluded enough to think that it's connected with racism.
Spitfire Bhai..it's not racism for sure. No doubt about that. And, I believe all ODI ststus ranked team should have the right to perticipate in any tournament organised by ICC.

kalpurush
January 20, 2008, 12:35 AM
[বাংলা]ব্যাপারটা হল 'ডিম আগে নাকি মুরগী আগে?' ধরনের একটা ধাঁধা!
বাংলাদেশ দল কি আগে টেস্ট-মান অর্জন করে তারপর কঠিন প্রতিপক্ষের সাথে খেলবে? নাকি কঠিন প্রতিপক্ষের সাথে খেলে খেলেই দলটি মজবুত টেস্ট-দল হয়ে উঠবে? এই প্রশ্নটা বাংলাদেশ দলের জন্য অনেক বেশী জরুরী, কারন এদেশের ঘরোয়া ক্রীকেট মোটেও এত বেশী মানসম্পন্ন না, যে তা খেলোয়াড়দেরকে আন্তর্জাতিক টেস্ট-ম্যাচের সমান প্রতিপক্ষ অথবা আবহ (টেম্পারমেন্টের দিক থেকে) এনে দিবে! দুঃখজনক হলেও সত্যি যে, নিয়মিত হাই-প্রোফাইল টেস্ট ম্যাচ খেলাই এই দলের জন্য শেখার একমাত্র পথ!

এবার আসি এই দলটা আদৌ কিছু শিখছে কিনা, সেই প্রসঙ্গে। কি করে এত সহজে ভুলে গেলেন মূলতানকে? কি করে ভুলে গেলেন পাঁচ দিন হাড্ডাহাড্ডি লড়াই করে ওয়েস্ট-ইন্ডিজের সাথে ড্র-করা টেস্টের কথা? কিভাবে ভুলে গেলেন ২০০৫ এ রিকি পন্টিং-এর ঘাম ঝরানো নার্ভ-ছেঁড়া ইনিংস্‌ দিয়ে ম্যাচ বাঁচানোর লড়াইটাকে? খেয়াল করলে দেখতে পাবেন, এই সবকটি উল্লেখযোগ্য পার্ফরমেন্সই সেই সময়ের, যখন বাংলাদেশ নিয়মিত টেস্ট সিরিজ খেলে গেছে।

এক বছরের বেশী সময় টেস্ট-আবহ থেকে দূরে থাকার ফলাফল এই মুহুর্তে ভালভাবেই টের পাওয়া যাচ্ছে দলের অবস্থায়। শুধু তাই নয়, এই লম্বা ব্রেক-টাইমে দলে ঢুকেছে অনেক নতুন মুখ -যারা নিয়মিত বিরতিতে পর্যায়ক্রমিক অন্তর্ভুক্তি থেকে বঞ্চিত হয়েছে শুধুমাত্র এই দলের টেস্ট-ম্যাচ খেলার এই লম্বা বিরতির কারনে। বলতে গেলে দলের এখন অবস্থা হয়েছে শূন্য থেকে আবার শুরু করার মত!

সুতরাং চিন্তা করে দেখেন... টেস্টের মাঠ থেকে মান-সম্মানের ভয়ে পলায়ন করবেন? নাকি কষ্ট হলেও দাঁত কামড়ে পড়ে থেকে ধীরে ধীরে দলকে সামনে আগানোর সময়টা দিবেন? কারন এটুকু অন্ততঃ বলতে পারি, যে ২০০৩-০৫ এ দলটা যেভাবে উঠে এসেছিল, ঠিক একই ভাবে এই নবীন দলটাও ৩/৪ বছরের মধ্যে আবারো উঠে দাঁড়াবে! কিন্তু ফ্যানেরা সেই ধৈর্য্য কি রাখবেন?[/বাংলা]
[বাংলা]একজন ক্রিকেট প্রেমিক মানুষের সঠিক এবং যুক্তিসঙ্গত ভাবনা।:):up:[/বাংলা]

kalpurush
January 20, 2008, 12:46 AM
much ado about nothing then? looks like people here have talked a tad early.
It's simple...CA wanted to see how we, the fan and BCB react and take actions accordingly. :-D

tonoy
January 20, 2008, 01:22 AM
much ado about nothing then? looks like people here have talked a tad early.

thats what being a bangladeshi is all about. we would all make great chess players, with the ability to see several moves ahead. I mean we are so good that, we can tell the outcome of the game without the opposition making a single move.

Ahmed_B
January 20, 2008, 02:03 AM
much ado about nothing then? looks like people here have talked a tad early.
[বাংলা]চীলে কান নিয়ে গেলে এমনই হয়![/বাংলা] :)

al Furqaan
January 20, 2008, 02:15 AM
Also, isn't this whole thread based upon hearsay?

what is the source that CA is planning to scrap the tour? If they don't leak decisions to the press, then how do we know about this?

i guess i was right???


much ado about nothing then? looks like people here have talked a tad early.

sandpiper
January 20, 2008, 02:23 AM
আমরা ফ্যানরা তো সে ধৈর্য্য রাখি। কিন্তু বিদেশী সমালোচক ও পন্ডিতরা এই ট্রানজিশন পিরিয়ডটাকে কিভাবে দেখছে সেটাই উদ্বেগের বিষয়। :umm:

সুতরাং চিন্তা করে দেখেন... টেস্টের মাঠ থেকে মান-সম্মানের ভয়ে পলায়ন করবেন? নাকি কষ্ট হলেও দাঁত কামড়ে পড়ে থেকে ধীরে ধীরে দলকে সামনে আগানোর সময়টা দিবেন? কারন এটুকু অন্ততঃ বলতে পারি, যে ২০০৩-০৫ এ দলটা যেভাবে উঠে এসেছিল, ঠিক একই ভাবে এই নবীন দলটাও ৩/৪ বছরের মধ্যে আবারো উঠে দাঁড়াবে! কিন্তু ফ্যানেরা সেই ধৈর্য্য কি রাখবেন?

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2008, 02:26 AM
i guess i was right???

Well it says that they want us to come back later to play the tests in that Bangla link. The BCB is still in talks with CA to come to an agreement so that we don't have to make two trips to play out the series.

CA has stated the domestic season as being the main reason behind the proposal. The Aussies don't mind playing us, but there might be issues with broadcasting, time and grounds during the period for which the tour has been scheduled. They want a buffer of a month or two between the ODI's and the tests, but from the sounds of it, they aren't trying to play God.

Rabz
January 20, 2008, 02:44 AM
The problem is not in those loses, but the way they are coming.
Im more than sure nobody( and i mean the world cricket) minds us loosing, as long as there are signs of improvement, signs of hope and coming of age.

...Basically to look forward to...

But are we giving them a chance to believe in us?

Bashir bhai, you talked about those 3 test matches. yes those were some great fights. Every dog has its day. 7 years, 51 test matches, we were meant to come close at some point against some team. Thats inevitable. But it doesnt show any improvement.

A little bit here and a little bit there is not what the world wants, is not what we fan wants. We want some visible improvement. Something tangible.

Talking about racism or conspiracy is pure bull cr@p. We've bn given a fair amount of chance by the top 8. If you conside the "first 8 years" of baptism, i think we played more matches, toured more countries and were given more support than any other teams.

It would be wrong to blame ICC for everything. They have implemented their FTP based on home-and-away series, primarily to ensure that teams like BD and Zim gets a fair share. Individual boards like CA has been in the forefront by helping us set up infrastructure, provide with support resources ( trainers, pitch curator,etc). SLCB have played more home and away series than any other teams.
BCCI agreed to have one of our team to play in their Ranji trophy. WICB let us play in thier domestic league. Our young tigers still gets a chance to tour Australia every winter(their winter jun-july) to play in NT leagues. No other country got a 60 million dollar just on their second media deal.

But whats the end result?

An innings and 137 run defeat. And that is just not one off.
Look back Indian series 07, SL series 07 and NZ series 07-08.
Even go back Aus second test, where a nightwatchman scored a double century!
Well, except those couple of "one-off's", go back as far as you want.

Trust me, they'd hate to loose us more than we hate to loose them.
But if the return on investment is too low, everyone would loose interest.

Being self-critic is not unpatriotic. Just because im criticizing my own team, doesnt mean im leaving them behind.

All im trying to say, if we have anybody to blame, its us.

( my post is not aimed at Bashir bhai, i just drew examples from his recent post)

tiger_army
January 20, 2008, 02:48 AM
i dont want to blame the aussies. there are big issues of broadcasting, time and grounds....it is a big sseason of Rugby here. three types of Rugby Leagues runs here at the same time for 3-4 monthes. their Rugby National Team play its home and away series with other countries. Their major soccer event A league starts in July too.... so its very unlucky for us that we r scheduled to play in wrong time..their TV channels are packed with these Rugby and Soccer... i think CA is doing gr8 by helping us with their offers....

One World
January 20, 2008, 03:33 AM
RABZ [বাংলা]ভালো লিখছে[/বাংলা]। I agree.

bdchamp20
January 20, 2008, 07:23 AM
well..I think its for the best five one-dayers is better than 3 one-dayers and two innings defeats

zainab
January 20, 2008, 07:54 AM
I think one has to see it from CA's point of view. I dont think that they will withdraw from playing Test matches with BD. Maybe it is a bad time for them to host BD.
By the way, i saw a few highlights of the games the aussies played in BD in 2006, and i think the aussies are thinking if BD has really improved. The 3rd ODI was pathetic, even though the aussies selected some young guys from their First class teams. BD was strangled by good bowling and fielding in their own backyard in that intense heat. Rajin Saleh showed some grit, but all batsmen gifted their wickets.
I think the ODIs will give the aussies a chance to showcase a few of their promising first class players. Some of the guys who played in this ODI, I never saw them again in the Aussie National team.
This current team is a much better one, but mentally, they have not improved. They have to learn how to play the the ball along the ground and use the V better.
It will take a lot of grit and good playing to even give Australia a challenge.

Alien
January 20, 2008, 07:55 AM
No reason. they just want to play top 8. this is racism at its best...

Get a life seriously. Why are they playing 4 tests against India then? Are Indians any whiter than us? And oh, why do they play against West Indies?

Are all of those top 8 "white teams"?

Bengaliprince176
January 20, 2008, 08:08 AM
ooof! this is stupid! we all know how long some teams took to register a win, eg India and NZ, so why is this issue coming up, the Australian Cricket Board have NO RIGHT to decide what BD play their, the ICC decide and the Asian body will cause hell if the ICC decide to take test staus from Bangladesh, this is utter BS, either theyll play ODIS and then another tour when they can fit it in, tests will be played. the only difference between BD and other countries when they started off cricket is draws occured more perhaps because of the menatlity or the pitches back in the olden days. if it had been any other POOR ( sorry to mention it) country then it wud have happened to exactly the same as BD. BCB needs the money from ICC, giving up test status is crazy! with the money and the talent pool of population BD will emerge a nation sooner or later. most people have seen how BD under 19s have fared in tournametns its only a matter of time, Patience Bangal Bhais- PATIENCE!

Moshin
January 20, 2008, 08:46 AM
Well I think it is quite reasonable to play only 2 ODIs against Australia, I mean what is the whole point of playing tests againsts them, we all know what the outcome of the result will be if we play a test against them, although there were some improvements to the side against New Zealand, but with Australia we will get pummled!

al Furqaan
January 20, 2008, 01:16 PM
Well it says that they want us to come back later to play the tests in that Bangla link. The BCB is still in talks with CA to come to an agreement so that we don't have to make two trips to play out the series.

CA has stated the domestic season as being the main reason behind the proposal. The Aussies don't mind playing us, but there might be issues with broadcasting, time and grounds during the period for which the tour has been scheduled. They want a buffer of a month or two between the ODI's and the tests, but from the sounds of it, they aren't trying to play God.

i have no problems with this? remember the current IND-OZ series, the ODIs were in india in october and tests are in OZ now.

SL played england at home in ODIs, then flew directly to OZ to play tests, came back to play england in Tests, and will go back to OZ to play Ind and Aus in tri-series.

this highly nomadic touring system is a result of a packed int'l schedule. i have no problems with. in fact i think its cool (fuel consumption and inefficiency notwithstanding).

so no problems with the CA's stated proposal. afterall, it seems there won't be any venues to play tests in august, and and we all want the series to broadcast.

Eshen
January 20, 2008, 01:35 PM
much ado about nothing then? looks like people here have talked a tad early.
All blame goes to Lipu for leaking unconfirmed info to media.

BCB should ask CA to have the ODI series in mid/late August so that players from A-team (who will be touring England in July) can be brought in here.

zainab
January 20, 2008, 02:17 PM
I think that all these Test playing nations and Associate countries are playin g so much cricket now, I am amazed that the ICC can even arrange all these tours according to time constraints. Let's face it, so much cricket was not even played 10 yrs ago, also BD was not a Test nation at that time.
I think if BD can play 30 ODIs per year, it is enough, also 8 Test matches are enough.
We saw how England went to Sri lanka for the odiS, then returned to England , then
came back to SL for the Test matches, so maybe this is what CA wants, which is not a bad thing, means the team can concentrate more on one aspect of the game.

Miraz
January 20, 2008, 02:20 PM
All blame goes to Lipu for leaking unconfirmed info to media.


And Eshen shares the blame for leaking the unconfirmed report to the passionate members of BanglaCricket.

BTW, this is my first post in this thread. :D

kalpurush
January 20, 2008, 06:27 PM
And Eshen shares the blame for leaking the unconfirmed report to the passionate members of BanglaCricket.

BTW, this is my first post in this thread. :D
And, the last one too! Case closed.:D

Eshen
January 20, 2008, 06:44 PM
And Eshen shares the blame for leaking the unconfirmed report to the passionate members of BanglaCricket.
Well, I remember your interview of Durjoy where he was quoted saying Zunaed would not be considered for the national team in near future also generated lots of passionate debates. What can we naive fans do when top dogs in BCB give us misleading info ?

AsifTheManRahman
January 20, 2008, 06:52 PM
i have no problems with this

yeah, shouldn't be a problem really. if anything, it will allow us to step back and re-evaluate before we fly off to play the tests. it could actually be a blessing if we can practice hard at home after identifying the mistakes we make in the odi series. that way, we will have the chance to avoid humiliation in the tests.

whether we will be able to evade humiliation is a different question.

Miraz
January 20, 2008, 06:55 PM
Well, I remember your interview of Durjoy where he was quoted saying Zunaed would not be considered for the national team in near future also generated lots of passionate debates. What can we naive fans do when top dogs in BCB give us misleading info ?

We, the fans, can trust real fighter like Siddons and ignore pseudo Tigers. :)

Kabir
January 21, 2008, 12:16 AM
One thing that many seem to think is "practice makes a man/woman/team perfect". But what many of you forget is, there's a certain amount of "willingness" necessary.

The team lacks willingness. And thus, saying "let them play, they'll get better" doesn't suit the wannabe Tigers.

After much thought, I guess I see no loss in playing 2 ODIs than 2 Tests.

ahaque
January 21, 2008, 12:18 AM
It would be awesome if we could beat Australia in another ODI again

ononto
January 21, 2008, 01:41 AM
We dont deserve to be a test playing country with this level of skillsets. Either we play more test matches or we dont play before we are ready. I mean, its been a good 6/7 years and still we are saying we are learning. It means, there is something wrong in our learning... Think about the host country where they lose money hosting those matches, sponsors cant trust that their product will appear for more than 2.5 days, spectatators are not going to ask for days off,, as they dont know if the series will last for more than 2 days with the irritating Bangladeshi players,, seriouslly, passion aside, do we really qualify as a test nation? Can we beat a single country in test cricket just for once? I doubt that. Hence, if Australia cancels the tour and India dont want to host us,,, all I can say is, we deserve it. I wouldnve have said that couple years back when we were really trying hard... but these days, I dont think our players are committed to play test cricket. They want to go for quick wins, chokka, char, "dancing down the wicket",, than having the true test mindset...

Spot on mate. I like it. Very true.

Sohel
January 21, 2008, 03:21 AM
"Just WIN baby" - Al Davis, owner of the Oakland Raiders.

We haven't been with our tendency to go one step forward and two steps back, so not surprisingly, the chicken has finally coming home to roost for us. After years of 1) neglecting the quality of domestic cricket, 2) making a habit of arbitrary and revolving door selections from selectors with a cavalier disregard for technical fundamentals, AND long-term development goals for the players they select, and 3) championing band-aid "solutions" and stop-gap measures in order to prolong personal gain and privilege in all levels of cricket management - WE ARE EXACTLY WHERE WE SHOULD BE AFTER YEARS OF SQUANDERING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING, AND CONSEQUENTLY STAYING TOO BUSY MANAGING THE CRISIS OF OUR OWN MAKING.

Impatience and delusions from us fans don't help either. That said, hopefully Coach Siddons can usher-in a new era and take us to the next level by the time our current batch of young players, more talented than the previous bunch IMHO, start to reach their peak in their late 20s before giving us their very best during their early 30s like MOST QUALITY INTERNATIONAL CRICKETERS. Young geniuses like the Laras, Sachins, Pontings, Smiths and Clarkes are RARE exceptions to the rule, and as talented as Ash and Zunaed are, we have yet to see our Lara, Sachin, Ponting, Smith or Clarke in terms of both talent AND application.

Under Coach Siddons and his positive, no-nonsense approach to International cricket, I expect Bangladesh to improve dramatically over the next 2 years, become a competitive side over the next 5, and become a good side within the next 10 years Inshallah. For that to happen, the pool of our young, technically sound national players need to stay and develop together while maturing as a cohesive unit. More FC and List-A cricket on better pitches with quality coaching empasizing the technical fundamentals, and more money for the players will go a long way to start the process, while an active, busy A-team will help our players make the adjustment better when they find themselves at the highest level. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

ahms
January 21, 2008, 09:46 AM
Well, we deserve this. BD needs to play in Australian domestic cricket instead for 3 months a year and every year to improve thier skills.

akabir77
January 21, 2008, 11:18 AM
Get a life seriously. Why are they playing 4 tests against India then? Are Indians any whiter than us? And oh, why do they play against West Indies?

Are all of those top 8 "white teams"?

I was answering about ICC mini wc ok. Go read my post first before jumping your guns...

Pura na porey faltu [বাংলা]চ্যাচামেচি[/বাংলা] kora banglai r purano obhash...

akabir77
January 21, 2008, 11:19 AM
Bhaijan...sorry, but how is this racism? This can be classism, professionalism, richism, or we-play-better-ism.

I don't see any hint of racism there. Sorry if I missed something :)

In case you didn't know all of those can be called as racism...

MarufH
January 21, 2008, 11:20 AM
Very painful, but can't complain.. I mean whats the point of getting crushed in 2 days? We need to show our performance on the field first.

Ahmed_B
January 21, 2008, 12:40 PM
to akabir77,
Cool it down mate. You've floated a self-defined boundery of 'racism' and now having a hard time standing behind that fabricated definition. Just make sure you dont start hitting below the belt while doing that. It's not a very pleasent site when that happens

-As Mod

Rabz
January 21, 2008, 01:20 PM
to akabir77,
Just make sure you dont start hitting below the belt while doing that.

You mean like this Ahmed bhai?

http://www.privatjokr.com/media/lowblow.jpg


to akabir77,
It's not a very pleasent site when that happens

It surely isnt a pretty site ...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41543000/jpg/_41543346_pain300.jpg


ouuchh.... that hurts....

akabir77
January 21, 2008, 01:43 PM
to akabir77,
Cool it down mate.


I am cool don't worry.


You've floated a self-defined boundery of 'racism' and now having a hard time standing behind that fabricated definition.
Well I have taken a class on that and my teacher explained to me that anything rejected kind of behavior toward another human being/group can be called that... And i can see why people want it to say something different and i respect that but i was just trying to remove confusion among the members who thought i put that remark against Australia which i didn't. I have charged ICC for making or allowing Pakistan to change the format to top 8 of ICC mini wc (or what its called now a days). because before that it used to be for all TEST countries.


Just make sure you don't start hitting below the belt while doing that. It's not a very pleasent site when that happens

-As ModCan you show me where i tried to do that? (only thing i can see that one line where i actually tried to write in bangla [বাংলা]চ্যাচামেচি[/বাংলা] but it came out [বাংলা]চামচামি[/বাংলা] which i corrected) please point it out and i will be very glad to remove my post or correct my self...

Thank you.

cricman
February 1, 2008, 05:33 PM
Saves us or them the embarrassment, it's more of a blessing anyways. We should get a 4 Test Series next time we'd be better in Tests in a few years, especially playin in Australia considering what happened in New Zealand.

<!-- author -->
<!--dt>http://www.banglacricket.com/images/author.jpg</dt-->AUSTRALIA'S top cricketers may get an unexpected winter break, with the home Test series against Bangladesh poised to go on the chopping block.

<!-- // lead story --><!-- story body -->The two-Test series scheduled to be played in Cairns and Darwin in August is set to be scrapped, with three-one dayers instead to be staged in Darwin.

The Top End series, which Australia has previously contested against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, has run at an enormous loss and left a black hole in Cricket Australia coffers.

This year's proposed Test series would have clashed with the Olympic Games in Beijing and it is understood there would have been no television coverage, with Channel 9 refusing to show the series.

Cricket Australia has been locked in talks with its Bangladesh counterpart, but doubts remain about how the Test series can be postponed.

Home boards have obligations under the International Cricket Council's future tours program, and Australia's schedule is so jam-packed during the next two years that the series would be almost impossible to re-schedule.

Cricket officials have indicated the Test series will almost certainly be canned, with the Northern Territory Government set to make an announcement as early as next week.

The postponement of the Tests would give Australia's cricketers some breathing space between returning from their tour of the Caribbean in June and departing for the Champions Trophy in Pakistan in September.

Cricket Australia spokesman Peter Young said that he expected an announcement soon.

"There are no decisions yet. It's a work in progress, which is going very well," Young said.

"If it can be completed to the satisfaction of everybody involved, the expectation is there will be a formal announcement in Darwin with the Northern Territory Government and ourselves."
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23146169-23212,00.html

BanCricFan
February 1, 2008, 05:50 PM
This is quite understandable. Hope they schedule a few FC matches to go with the ODIs.

brockley
February 1, 2008, 08:25 PM
Reasons given,
clash with the olympics
Channel 9 won't cover it(no coverage)
Financial loss of playing bangladesh
give players a break.

The 3 one dayers tho likely to go ahead.

al Furqaan
February 1, 2008, 08:42 PM
how about if we pay them?

al Furqaan
February 1, 2008, 08:43 PM
I now officially hate CA along with BCCI now

mshakir56
February 2, 2008, 12:56 AM
CA is becoming like BCCI. I hate both now. Is it our fault that Austrials Schedule is so jam packed? Its not our fault, we are not making their god damn schedule packed. Its them money hungry board who is behind the jam packing. They want to play against India all the time that they dont have time for us. If they were fair and played equal amounts of cricket with all he test playing nations, then their schedule wouldn't have been jammed.

cricket_king
February 2, 2008, 03:09 AM
What's the point in even going to Australia then? No coverage? No Tests? Pfft...screw the whole tour.

Sohel
February 2, 2008, 03:14 AM
This is what happens when we squander opportunities at the highest level ... :(

That said, maybe it ain't over yet. I hope Coach Siddons and Lipu Bhai can pull some strings to pleasantly surprise us all.

zainab
February 2, 2008, 06:48 AM
It may be a blessing in disguise. BD was badly beaten by NZ within 3 days, think about what the Aussies will do. They will be bowled out cheaply, then it is no fair contest.
BD should play longer first class games at home, more competitions and learn to bat for a longer period of time. They still cant seem to do that, so it has got o be fixed at home.
BD is due to make a reciprocal visit to SA later in the year, I hope this does not get cancelled too. Anyhow, SL is supposed to visit at the end o the year, and if all goes well, they will still play 8 tests for the year which is still good, seeing that they played none in 2006 and 5 in 2007.After the SA tests, they will have about 6 months to prepare for anothe test match. I am sure that Siddons will try his best to have an improved Test team by the latter part of the year.

rickshaman
February 2, 2008, 12:57 PM
if u wna get close talk bout discrimination.......racism is the wrong word here......

One World
February 2, 2008, 02:29 PM
Its like calling "minnow" without saying it.

al Furqaan
February 2, 2008, 02:44 PM
a good performance against RSA and a couple 'upsets' at the asia cup might change things. performance talks like none other. our NZ tour was set up because of our WC exploits.

tarifmahmud
February 3, 2008, 03:12 AM
we need to recuit senior players for test, then we can atleast compte with any nations, no matter australia or zimb.....
all the best my country

kalpurush
February 3, 2008, 03:29 AM
we need to recuit senior players for test, then we can atleast compte with any nations, no matter australia or zimb.....
all the best my country
haha!!!:lol:

kalpurush
February 3, 2008, 03:32 AM
maybe it ain't over yet. I hope Coach Siddons and Lipu Bhai can pull some strings to pleasantly surprise us all.
Now, talking like boss!;):D

kalpurush
February 3, 2008, 03:35 AM
This is quite understandable. Hope they schedule a few FC matches to go with the ODIs.
Aren't we a Test playing nation?!:-D