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Murad
February 3, 2008, 03:36 PM
Mohammad Rafique will retire from Internation Cricket after the South Africa series, according to the Shamokal news.

He said it will be his last series if he gets selected. He will retire even if he doesnt get his 100th Test wicket in the 2 Test series against SA.

He said he's getting old and it is the time to hand his place to another younger player.

He will still be playing club crickets and might play in foreign country as well.



You can read more from the here: Shamokal (http://www.shamokal.com/details.php?nid=87706)

P.S. : Jodi keo paren... Rafique ja boleche shegule ke ektu english e translate kore din.. Thanks.

Ajfar
February 3, 2008, 03:44 PM
this is a big loss for bangladesh cricket..

AsifTheManRahman
February 3, 2008, 03:45 PM
Not surprised. Retirement's been on his mind for a while now, and he's still playing because of the board's request. I hope he does get picked for the home series though - we missed him pretty badly in New Zealand.

Miraz
February 3, 2008, 03:48 PM
People who use ill words about Rafiq should read the Shamokal report. He is a sportsman, the same person who didn't run out Umar Gul which could have won us the first ever Test just to show the spirit of a true sportsman.

He is a true warrior and will be always remembered and missed.

Kudos to Rafique.

Omio
February 3, 2008, 03:58 PM
I will really miss him, I dont think so we will get a quality spinner like him.

Shafin
February 3, 2008, 04:15 PM
Salam!

We salute you, the first world class bowler our test team have got,and the pioneer of our left hand spinning legacy.

Sovik
February 3, 2008, 04:41 PM
Lara, Pollock and now Mohammad Rafiq.

He was badly missed against new zealand. hope he gets picked up angainst SA and spin us to victory

BagherBacha
February 3, 2008, 05:13 PM
People who use ill words about Rafiq should read the Shamokal report. He is a sportsman, the same person who didn't run out Umar Gul which could have won us the first ever Test just to show the spirit of a true sportsman.

He is a true warrior and will be always remembered and missed.

Kudos to Rafique.

Miraz Bhai

I remember that day in fact i will never forget that day. I couldn't hold my tears. i saw Rafiq bhai playing in dhaka stadiums so many times. go bd

MohammedC
February 3, 2008, 05:25 PM
Sad day for Bangladesh Cricket. But I suppose he had to retire one day.

"Rafique is a legend for Bangladesh Cricket"

Kana-Baba
February 3, 2008, 05:36 PM
goodbye pal... you will be missed

One World
February 3, 2008, 05:48 PM
What an amazing way to bid farewell, only if HB could use the same sensibility we fans did not have to comment and counter-comment upon his form.

Mohammad Rafique, you are the legend and I bestow you with heartiest warmth and honour. Thanks for your service and hope your dream to become a pitch specialist does not get hindered by petty politics.

Kana-Baba
February 3, 2008, 05:55 PM
HB should stay atleast a year more...

BanCricFan
February 3, 2008, 08:19 PM
HB should stay atleast a year more...

Sorry to disagree!

BanCricFan
February 3, 2008, 08:21 PM
Rafique will go down as a legend in Bangladesh cricket. He will be missed. Would like to see him go in a high.

Gowza
February 3, 2008, 08:30 PM
i hope he gets 100 wickets before he goes out, otherwise we'll be waiting awhile for someone else to reach that mark, plus i think he deserves to reach that milestone.

al Furqaan
February 3, 2008, 08:50 PM
the wierd thing is that i felt a lot sadder when chacha retired, even tho i hated him the last 2 years of his career or so. i am not really feeling anything about rafique.

if rafique doesn't play well against saffers, i will accept his decision and salute the greatest cricketer BD has yet produced. as a amateur statistician, i feel it would be a travesty for him to leave without 100 wickets.

should rafique have a good series - i think he can - i hope he reverses his decision an d sticks around for another year. despite me feeling that it is enam's time to take over.

either way, Sir Rafique will be missed! Allah bless you and your family and grant you success in the rest of your life and Hereafter.

AsifTheManRahman
February 3, 2008, 09:02 PM
There's really not much to feel sad about. Instead of shedding tears at every chance we get (no, not directed at you Al, lol), let's look at this from a practical POV. Players grow old and then they retire. New players take their places. They carry on the good work that the oldies had started. Life moves on.

Now what we're hopefully going to have here is a groundsman who knows what the home team needs to win a couple of tests. Retirement doesn't have to be all doom and gloom.

al-Sagar
February 3, 2008, 09:42 PM
its sad, but to be practical it had to happen.

now time for razzak, enamul or rubel to pick up the job.

and rafik should get the last chance in the SA series

Beamer
February 3, 2008, 11:35 PM
Sensible decision by Rafiq. His ability is on the wane, and its better to go out on your own terms with head high, unlike the other chap who is still masquerading as a batsman. I would say he was among the three best cricketers ever produced by Bangladesh, if not the best, who played with a lot of spirit on the field.

mshakir56
February 3, 2008, 11:42 PM
Rafique will forever remain in our hearts, and we will never forget his entertainment. I just hope that Haba bai follows rafique .

BD Tigers
February 3, 2008, 11:47 PM
"The Boss" is leaving. Feeling very sad. Well it was coming...

Anyway, Insha Allah he will play against SA and hopefully he will go out on a high note, just like Pollok did in his last. He was the main guy who took us to WC (ICC Champ) and may be he cud be the guy who bring us the 1st test WIN :D

Either way, RAFIQUE BHAI - you will be MISSED :(

Beamer
February 4, 2008, 12:03 AM
People who use ill words about Rafiq should read the Shamokal report. He is a sportsman, the same person who didn't run out Umar Gul which could have won us the first ever Test just to show the spirit of a true sportsman.

He is a true warrior and will be always remembered and missed.

Kudos to Rafique.

Didn't know that you considered Shomokal as an article of faith.

Sohel
February 4, 2008, 12:21 AM
Class act from Mohammad Rafiq and hats off to our finest SLA to date. That said, I really hope he changes his mind after a successful SA series Inshallah. From what I've seen of late, he still has more great spells left to give for atleast 1 more year. That will also give Enam and Razzak a more time to START to fill his shoes in the future.

Bengali Bum
February 4, 2008, 12:41 AM
Is 2008 gonna be a year of mass exodus of international cricketers??
and for some reason.. all the good ones are leaving..
Will miss Gilly, Pollock, and definitely RAFIQUE.
well..wish all of them good luck

Antora
February 4, 2008, 01:40 AM
:( :( :(
he will be missed :(

BD-Shardul
February 4, 2008, 01:51 AM
:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

That's all I can say.

Rabz
February 4, 2008, 04:24 AM
One of the brightest chapter of our cricket is coming to an end.

Rafiq has been one of the architects of our cricketing dreams. One of the last few survival of our "golden" boys ( aka Akram,Bulbul,Nannu et all), he was an integral part of the team who dared us to dream, who has taken us to a new height ( ACC champion, ICC champion, first WC appearance and victories and subsequent test status).

The MOM of our first ever ODI win against Kenya with his brilliant 77.
One of the handful "batsman" to score test century for Bangladesh.
Highest wicket-taker in both test and odi.
...the list goes on...

A champion, warrior and true Tiger.

Hats off to you Mohammad Rafiq.

You served us well and made us proud.
You will surely be missed.

Wish him all the best with his next venture.

cricket_pagol
February 4, 2008, 04:36 AM
Wishing my best to Rafique... he has been true servant to Bangladesh cricket. I hope he puts up a stunning performance in his farewell series.

nasimul
February 4, 2008, 05:19 AM
End of another legend of BD cricket. He has been a great character for BD cricket both in domestic and international level. It is going to be difficult to replace his position in national team. Wishing him all the best and hats off to you Md. Rafiq.

Tigers_eye
February 4, 2008, 09:25 AM
(Feeble attempt)
Shomokal reporter:

This is my last series: Rafique

After experiencing 25 years in domestic cricket and 13 years in International cricket can some still call himself a student? If Rafique says that then there is nothing to be surprised. Because he still feels there are something more to learn from every match. Be it a practice or an international match. The proof of this belief was solidified on the net sessions at Mirpur grounds. A straight 40 minutes in front of the bowling machine could not put a tiresome strain on this almost 40 year old Rafique's face. He still loves cricket. At the same time he realises the time has come to step down. "The series at home against South Africa would be my last series. The time has come to leave place for the young guns." but he mentioned an 'if' while saying this. "I am working hard, if I can stay in the team for this series only then this would be my last." He is not leaving with a bitter feeling or not achieving what he wanted. Pointing at the gallary at the Mirpur Stadium he answers, "I have gotten a lot of love from the fans, still I have their love, then at a point one has to stop."

For not having the fair to cross the river from Keranigonj, once the boy who had to paddle his own boat to come to Dhaka and play cricket, now drives his own car to the stadium. That boy now distributes his expensive bats among the potential cricketers. That Rafique thinks, "Just like there is no end of learning, there is no end of giving. We have taken Bangladesh Cricket to a certain stage. Now the newcomers will take it to the other level." To keep him fit he regularly goes to the Gym. Still he can't hide the age he says himself. "I can't run (keep up) with a 20 year old." He wants to play cricket at a streach. Not on and off (getting selected).

Retiring from the International cricket doesn't mean that he is saying 'good bye' to Club cricket and in the future he wants be a part of Cricket. He wants to play Club Cricket a little longer. If he doesn't have the opportunity at home then he would try outside and if BCB wants then he would like to take care of the grounds. Among the futuristic plans he also mentions about his current plans. "Against South Africa I am expecting a sporting wicket where we can play our natural game. As his successor, he has picked Mosharraf Hossain Rubel. Bowling and Batting he is doing good in both. Being tall he getting good bounce also. Rafique wants to start a new culture for Bangladesh where veterans would announce their retirements. Leaving behind his beloved field, infront of the fans, underneath the bats of his fellow cricketers Mohammad Rafique wants to walkout to the pavillion for the last time with his head held high.

Tigers_eye
February 4, 2008, 09:34 AM
I think Habibul Bashar would have a shock reading this new cultural revolution Rafique wants to bring.

Hats of to Rafique. If he is not the best Cricketer BD has has produced (as of) definitely he is the best Cricket-Footballer BD has ever produced.

Miraz
February 4, 2008, 09:57 AM
Excellent effort T_E bhai.

Thanks for the translation.

Tigers_eye
February 4, 2008, 10:10 AM
You are welcome.

It was a 'Murad request', and I had time. How can I not comply? However, the true essence of any report lies on the original piece not the translation. Be it in English, Bangla or Arabic. Best regards to the reporter who wrote that.

al Furqaan
February 4, 2008, 11:48 AM
you know what, I hope rafique takes a 10-fer in the test series against South Africa and the BCB begs him so hard to stay for another year that rafique relents and stays.

seriously, i have a ton of respect for this guy. bashar is not even fit to lick his bootstraps in this regard. sorry for bringing his name up yet again, but bashar's disillusionment is terrible.

if indian fans can pout and say that tendulkar is selfish then why can't we say that bashar is the same? tendulkar is a legend of universal proportions, bashar isn't even the greatest talent in bangladesh. tendulkar scored 26,000 int'l runs and counting, bashar scored 5000 stagnant. tendy is actually performing now, bashar is not.

if tendulkar is selfish, bashar is ______ (fill in the blank - 5 pts).

either way its a win-win situation: if rafique retires, Enam will finally get his due turn. if rafique stays another year, it will because his form will remain.

Kabir
February 4, 2008, 11:52 AM
Best of wishes to the finest bowler ever produced by BD.

You will be missed.

BTW, it's interesting to see how someone always comes up referring to previous discussions. Mr. Smart Guy...stay cool. Don't try to act too smart.

Rabz
February 4, 2008, 11:56 AM
AF, i get want you want to say.
But there is no need to compare Tendulkar with Bashar...

...then it would be injustice to both of them....

Murad
February 4, 2008, 02:37 PM
You are welcome.

It was a 'Murad request', and I had time. How can I not comply? However, the true essence of any report lies on the original piece not the translation. Be it in English, Bangla or Arabic. Best regards to the reporter who wrote that.

Thanks Mijan bhai. Really appreciated.:)

You made it easier for the non-bangla readers to see what Rafique said.

Murad
February 4, 2008, 02:41 PM
you know what, I hope rafique takes a 10-fer in the test series against South Africa and the BCB begs him so hard to stay for another year that rafique relents and stays.

I wouldn't want so him playing after the SA series.

I want to see him leaving with honour. He's the legend. If he stays for another year, then he won't get the farewell he trully deserves.

Its better to leave with your head high. He will be remember by everyone for his true sportsmanship.

riaz131
February 4, 2008, 03:26 PM
HB should stay atleast a year more...

I couldn't disagree with you more...bhai apnar kee chokker shathe shathe brain o kee kana hoi gese

Bengaliprince176
February 4, 2008, 03:54 PM
my memory of Rafique, ( i used to think he was Mohmd Rafi the singer- dunno why...) a bowler who toiled away for his country and always seemed to make sure, when things werent so good, that the opposition got only a decent score and never ran away with their batting. he was a solid hard worker! teams need these players more than talent, the whole team can learn from how he wud play.

Miraz i also remeber that incident, thats a sportsman for u, he was a humble guy as well! i wish him all the best!

Nafi
February 4, 2008, 04:54 PM
Praying for a ten wicket haul.

Fazal
February 4, 2008, 05:48 PM
Atlast one superstar is planning to quit with dignity and leaving with head high. Way to go Rafiq... I appreciate what you did (for BD cricket) and what you are planning to do.

BangladeshFan
February 4, 2008, 06:54 PM
i think rafiq is still very capable of playing in test matches atleast a few years more if not ODIs. After the drubbing Bd got in Nz, I think he can easily get into the team remembering that the best spinner in Nz was Sakib!! A lusty low order hitter, he can put many of our so called batsmen in shame.

Bd doesnt have many talents as many people like to think they have. Therefore Rafiq should reconsider and play a few more years I hope.

Xavier
February 4, 2008, 06:56 PM
I hope this means that he will give it all against South Africa and play a great series!
(I'm expecting a 5-er, at least)

ialbd
February 4, 2008, 07:05 PM
this was expected..... but before leaving Rafiq Mama, for one last time we want those Rafiq magics....

You can tell Bangladesh is making a mark in world cricket. We have the real legends now.....

Hatebreed
February 5, 2008, 12:11 PM
Thank you, Rafique, for your years of services. You represent a career of hard work and dedication. Hope you end it on a high note and become an example for our youngsters to follow.

Dhakablues
February 5, 2008, 02:39 PM
Rafique will be missed. Especially his face wide smile when he gets the wicket or appeals uncessfully to Steve Buckner. In the mean time, his colleague Pilot has already started his 2nd career. Check this out from BDNews24.com

খালেদ মাসুদ পাইলট অবশ্য পুকুরের ঠান্ডা পানি থেকে উঠে কাঁপতে কাঁপতে বলেছিলেন, "না... নাহ্! এটা কোন ব্যাপার না, আমাদের প্রায়ই ঠান্ডা পানিতে গোসল করতে হয়।"

তবুও কেন এই পানিতে নামা? উত্তরে শামিম শাহেদ বলেন, "নাটকের নাম 'চোর'। খালেদ মাসুদ পাইলট সেই চোর এর চরিত্রে অভিনয় করেছেন। যদিও সে চোর না। তারপরেও সবাই তাকে সন্দেহ করে চোর হিসেবে। আর মার দেয়। সেই মারের ভয়ে পালাতে গিয়ে এক রাতে খালেদ মাসুদ পাইলট ওরফে নাটকের চোর পুকুরে গিয়ে নামেন। সেই দৃশ্য ধারণ করতে গিয়েই পাইলটকে পুকুরে নামতে হয়েছিল।"

অনেকেই বলছেন, এটা চরিত্রে প্রয়োজনে কতখানি খোলামেলা হতে পারবেন সেরকম ব্যাপার। পাইলট চরিত্রের প্রয়োজনে শীতের রাতে পুকুরে নেমেছেন।

নাটকটির শুটিং হয়েছে পুবাইলে। পাইলটের বিপরীতে অভিনয় করেছেন অপি করিম।

সাপ্তাহিক ২০০০ এর 'ভালবাসার গল্প প্রতিযোগীতা'য় প্রথম স্থান পাওয়া সাঈদ বাহাদূরের গল্প অবলম্বনে 'চোর' নাটকটির চিত্রনাট্য তৈরি করেছেন শামিম শাহেদ।

akabir77
February 5, 2008, 03:03 PM
sounds pretty funny... well done pilot. Though i am having hard time picturing him with his speed talk in a natok...

Tigers_eye
February 5, 2008, 03:09 PM
A gig against Opi karim not bad. Very well debut for Pilot.
Dhakablues, thanks for the info and use the bangla tag please.

habfreak
February 5, 2008, 03:55 PM
The end of a generation...Well done Rafique bhai!
One of the better players we have ever had...one of the best characters we have ever had....I wish him all the best :)

BD-Shardul
February 5, 2008, 05:50 PM
Rafiq even might not be given a chance to retire with honor.

http://prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODIwMzc=&mid=OA==

Simply unacceptable.

Miraz
February 5, 2008, 06:14 PM
Rafiq even might not be given a chance to retire with honor.

http://prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODIwMzc=&mid=OA==

Simply unacceptable.

If the comment of Siddons is true, I am sorry to say that I have lost all my respect for him.

An international coach who took Bangladesh as his mission doesn't even know about Rafiq?? He has to ask different people to know how good Rafiq is??

No explanation can satisfy me. I have no problem if Rafiq doesn't get selected, but this is a different story and completely unacceptable in my book.

Murad
February 5, 2008, 06:25 PM
If the comment of Siddons is true, I am sorry to say that I have lost all my respect for him.

An international coach who took Bangladesh as his mission doesn't even know about Rafiq?? He has to ask different people to know how good Rafiq is??

No explanation can satisfy me. I have no problem if Rafiq doesn't get selected, but this is a different story and completely unacceptable in my book.

Exactly my thoughts, Miraz bhai.

The whole world knows that Rafique is our best spinner. And one of the best spinners in the world.

How come he didn't see Rafque's profile? Why is he being so arrogant like other Australians? This is really unacceptable. His recents comments about our young players were also not nice.

This guy will lose his respect very soon. Just like Dave Whatmore.

And I think This chief selector is giving too much power to Siddons. If Siddons say drop Ashraful and Im sure he will do it.

Fazal
February 5, 2008, 06:26 PM
>> "If the comment of Siddons is true, I am sorry to say that I have lost all my respect for him."

What comment? What Siddon said? Why you are sorry? Why you lost respect for Rafiq? Or is it Siddon?


>> "An international coach who took Bangladesh as his mission doesn't even know about Rafiq?? He has to ask different people to know how good Rafiq is??"

Who is this international coach and what is his mision? and what he doesn't know about Rafiq? What diiferent people he asked? And what they said about Rafiq?

>> "No explanation can satisfy me. I have no problem if Rafiq doesn't get selected, but this is a different story and completely unacceptable in my book."

Why no explaination will satisfy you? Why you have no problem if Rafiq is dumped? I thought you are rooting for Rafiq. What different story are you talking about? Why its comepletely unacceptable in you book? What book? What is the name of your Book?

Please help ... pelease .... we need more info.... this thing is getting juicer by hours.....

Miraz
February 5, 2008, 06:35 PM
Why Fazal is asking so many questions?

Why Fazal is not reading the report which mentioned Siddon's comment about Rafiq??

Please help ... please .... we need more info.... please......................

Fazal
February 5, 2008, 06:37 PM
...beacuse I am still at work and I cannot install the bangla font in my browser.... what I see is ....

ਠઙীড়া পઝিতেবদক
বাংলােদশ িਠઙেকট োবােডગর (িবিসিব) িকছઓ অনઓেরাধ অার পઝએ੪াব িনেয় িসਔাপઓের উেড় িগেয়িছেলন ইয়ািনক োকালােসা৷ কথা িছল িবিসিব কাযગিনবગাহী কিমিটর অাজেকর সভার অােগই োসসব সઃপেকગ

Murad
February 5, 2008, 06:43 PM
Shardul bhaiyer link ta erokomi dekhai... uni www use korenna tai...

here is the correct link

http://www.prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODIwMzc=&mid=OA==

Fazal
February 5, 2008, 06:47 PM
Khaisey... Shahadat-er Ki Bhabey Kuckir Injury Hoilo?

BD Tigers
February 5, 2008, 08:08 PM
I am surprised to see why JS is asking other people abt Rafique. Its not like he never saw him...wasn't he with the Australian team when they came here last? I thought Rafique took quite a few wks in the first test????

BanCricFan
February 5, 2008, 09:10 PM
Before everyone jumps up and down...ask yourself how acurate is prothom alos reporting? That Kuckir injury report cracks me up :-)

Beamer
February 5, 2008, 11:36 PM
Just read the article. With all due respect to Prothom-alo and their head honcho Utpol Shuvro and his disciples, who go by the title of ' Krira Protibedok ' these days, I have learned to take their articles with a pinch of salt since the WC days. They are a known worshiper of the " Joy Luck Club", be it Bashar, Rafiq or Pilot, and will present any news regarding them in a positive light. That much is a known factor. God forbid if any one of them are shown disrespect !There is no way of knowing what actually Siddons has said about Rafiq. There are no direct quotes. If its a "bisshosto shutre pawa khobor", then I am afraid, you must not take every word as granted by these gang, specially someone who doesn't even mention his name in the article. I would like to know for a change who this "krira Protibedok" is and what are his sources.

As for Siddons, I admit, its a bit surprising to hear that he hasn't heard much about Rafiq. I would have hoped that he has done his homework. But, asking people around is never a bad thing. Is it? Besides, Rafiq hasn't been part of his first assignment and it is not unnatural for a new coach who is intent on building a young team in his own mold to have a second thought about really old declining players, regardless of their stature. I just hope he does what is right for the team. He doesn't need to pay attention to emotional fans and surely doesn't need, nor should he care about fans respect ( or lack of it ).

On another note : Why does every old player need to announce their retirement in a future series? Its like forcing the selectors hand to pick them so they can retire. Why is that the Gold standard of retirement? I think its selfish. Selectors should be selfish as well, but for the team, and must distance themselves from such impulses.

clueless
February 6, 2008, 12:15 AM
besides the retirement of Rafique I also heard that there will be changes in the BCB sub comittee bodies. I dont understand for all this random..sudden change we are about to see soon. Why is the government again intervening in the cricket body. Is the current members serving BCB not in their adequate posts..and not doing thier jobs properly..?

Rizvi
February 6, 2008, 12:18 AM
(Rafiq)He is a sportsman, the same person who didn't run out Umar Gul which could have won us the first ever Test just to show the spirit of a true sportsman.

Miraz Bhai,

Can you please explain what you're trying to imply here? I didn't see that game. I'm not understanding what you're trying to say here.

What did he (rafiq) not do in this game? What do you mean he didn't run out Umar Gul?

Ishtylish cricketer
February 6, 2008, 12:36 AM
Raffique rocked. Easily the most consistent bowler so far in Bd's cricket history. He was more than handy lower down the order with the bat and in fact had enough talent to make a test century against West Indies. His best peformance for me was against Australia when Australia toured BD and he picked up 9 wickets in the test match giving Bd almost our first test victory against the aussies.

BD-Shardul
February 6, 2008, 12:41 AM
On another note : Why does every old player need to announce their retirement in a future series? Its like forcing the selectors hand to pick them so they can retire. Why is that the Gold standard of retirement? I think its selfish. Selectors should be selfish as well, but for the team, and must distance themselves from such impulses.

Selectors are not doing justice. When chosing some players, they count experience, not performance. When chosing another players, experience is not counted, only performance counts.

Dhakablues
February 6, 2008, 01:20 AM
This is total %&*&#ed up man!!! I dont think I have much faith in Siddons. He should be warned by the board to keep his mouth shut and produce results than making a Moinul Hossain out of himself...

Was he born yesterday that he doesnt know Rafique? Even if the report is inaccurate, he did make comments about not leaving out any Bret Lee, Pointing home. Thats a irresponsible comment coming out of a head coach and besides he didnt even know whom he left out. Especially when he didnt even know that there is a player called Rafique who was back home then.

Coaches can be like Knight,Watmore, we dont have to love him but they produce results. Siddons should produce results before being too cocky and making judgment calls like that...

Dhakablues
February 6, 2008, 01:25 AM
Miraz Bhai,

Can you please explain what you're trying to imply here? I didn't see that game. I'm not understanding what you're trying to say here.

What did he (rafiq) not do in this game? What do you mean he didn't run out Umar Gul?

I think he meant,, when our stakes were high and we couldve won the game by bowling Umar Gul out as he was outside the line,, but Rafique didnt. He was a gentleman and warned Umar to be inside the line. The commentators were also surprised and praised heavily his sportsmanship. Contrary, some Indian player many times did ploy such act which were not true sportsmanship but won the game. In fact, I do recall, Anisur Rahman did that too a while back but we were not in a position to win that match against the West Indians. With Pakistan, we did and Rafique didnt take the unfair means to give us that win...

akabir77
February 6, 2008, 11:23 AM
to add to dhakablues(though i don't remember him doing to against WI) Anisur rahman did the same thing in last over against Pak A team and BD could have won that (it was a sarck cricket tournament). Ramiz raza was out of NTL team and was trying to get in and he was the captain of PAK-A team. they needed 5 of 5 or something and non stricker started running and anis stopped and gave him a warning. And the non straiker started talking trash with him and there was big hottogoll.. anyway AKram Khan (BD captain) and ramiz raza neutralized the situation and the last over continued. in last ball they needed one run and stupid pilot was standing so behind that even though ramiz missed the ball they ran and won the game. after the game MOM ramiz praised highly about the incident and said this thing doesn't happen between test teams and we should learn it from BD. and in the same tournament BD beat India A for the first time and played in the final (beating SL A too).

kalpurush
February 6, 2008, 03:32 PM
Rafiq even might not be given a chance to retire with honor.

http://prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODIwMzc=&mid=OA==

Simply unacceptable.
hahaha....amader songbadpotrer onek khobor-e vuya....bishwas kortey nei.
Rafiq is in the squad and playing in the Test.
waiting to see our own Rafiq in susal form...:D:D

Tigers_eye
February 6, 2008, 04:39 PM
hahaha....amader songbadpotrer onek khobor-e vuya....bishwas kortey nei.
Rafiq is in the squad and playing in the Test.
waiting to see our own Rafiq in susal form...:D:D
khati kotha. We will see him playing his best inshallah.

BD-Shardul
February 6, 2008, 05:05 PM
According to today's PA news, JS seems the prime opposition of M Rafique

http://prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODIyNDM=&mid=OA==

AsifTheManRahman
February 6, 2008, 05:07 PM
Another case of people getting restless at the first chance they get...tsk, tsk. ;)

Murad
February 6, 2008, 05:13 PM
Shardul bhai, link e jodi www. add koren taile ektu valo hobe.. without the www. i cannot read it. it lookse messy..

but when i add www. then it works fine. janina apni ki kore poren..

thanks.

Murad
February 6, 2008, 05:14 PM
And on Siddon's No to Rafique's selection, I hope Rafique proves him wrong with some good bowling performance.

Fazal
February 6, 2008, 05:19 PM
Fans and repeorters are too much immotional now a days... they are trying to make something out of nothing.

Do I want Rafiq to retire with grace? Yes.

Do I want Rafiq to play his last national game against SA? Yes.

Is Rafiw the best spinner option in the team? No (in my opinion).

Is he still good enough to be included in the team? Yes

Do I have any probelm with the Coach's stand on Rafiq? No.

Coach has every right to provide his feedback who he wants and who he doen's want in the team. Its a rebuilding team, whether we admit it or not. So it makes perfect sense if the coach doen't want to waste his time in older players. At the end of his contract, he will be judged based on the team's performance. Its not Fan's head... its not players head (they will continue to survive)....its not selector's head... its not BCB executives' head... its the coach's head on the line ...... so let him run the show for two years..... and let him select his team. I have no problem with that.

Tigers_eye
February 6, 2008, 05:36 PM
Excellent post by Fazal. Akabir77 na "You rock".
According to today's PA news, JS seems the prime opposition of M Rafique

http://prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODIyNDM=&mid=OA==
And i am sure once he sees him perform in the real deal he would be prime advocate to keep him there. i still think Rafiq will rise to the occation. He always has. The players should play for him send him out the right way. Can be used as motivational tool if Siddons want.

akabir77
February 6, 2008, 05:53 PM
Ki kon T_E ami PATHOR!!! lol

Yeah I agree he will shine and he will roast all SA in his Fire...

Tigers_eye
February 6, 2008, 05:56 PM
Ki kon T_E ami PATHOR!!! lol

Yeah I agree he will shine and he will roast all SA in his Fire...
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/image.php?u=345&dateline=1181334848 (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/member.php?u=345)

Yup!! Time to upgrade to "Hira".

BD-Shardul
February 6, 2008, 06:49 PM
Murad Bhai, for me the links just work fine without www. Actually I never type the links, I just copy and paste!

Anyway, next time I will try not to forget to add www.

Miraz
February 6, 2008, 07:40 PM
Coach has every right to provide his feedback who he wants and who he doen's want in the team. Its a rebuilding team, whether we admit it or not. So it makes perfect sense if the coach doen't want to waste his time in older players. At the end of his contract, he will be judged based on the team's performance. Its not Fan's head... its not players head (they will continue to survive)....its not selector's head... its not BCB executives' head... its the coach's head on the line ...... so let him run the show for two years..... and let him select his team. I have no problem with that.

Sorry, can't take your explanation.

A coach is appointed for a particular duration to guide the players on and off the field and make them ready for the international cricket, but it does not mean he has been given a free ride for this duration and is entitled to do whatever he likes.

Fans and media have every right to criticize the wrong moves, and it is absolutely normal.

The image of the country and performance of the team are lot more important than the reputation/head of the coach after his tenure.

Dhakablues
February 6, 2008, 09:19 PM
Sorry, can't take your explanation.

A coach is appointed for a particular duration to guide the players on and off the field and make them ready for the international cricket, but it does not mean he has been given a free ride for this duration and is entitled to do whatever he likes.

Fans and media have every right to criticize the wrong moves, and it is absolutely normal.

The image of the country and performance of the team are lot more important than the reputation/head of the coach after his tenure.

Period.Case dismissed. Thanks Miraz.

Fazal
February 6, 2008, 10:29 PM
Sorry, can't take your explanation.

A coach is appointed for a particular duration to guide the players on and off the field and make them ready for the international cricket, but it does not mean he has been given a free ride for this duration and is entitled to do whatever he likes.

Fans and media have every right to criticize the wrong moves, and it is absolutely normal.

The image of the country and performance of the team are lot more important than the reputation/head of the coach after his tenure.

And I am sorry that I see nothing but emotional out burst comment.

I don't agree that "A coach is appointed for a particular duration to guide the players on and off the field and make them ready for the international cricket" is appropriate for Bangladesh Team, specially when we hire a high profile coach for our lowly rated team. If you want to stick with that (definition of our coach's role), then we will end up hiring another joker coach that we hired before. That the price we pay hiring coach like our current coach. They will ask more control and more power, and we have to give them. Thats the rule of the game. We knew that when hiring him. So there is no point now trying to redefining what the coach's role should be. Its too late my friend.


And talking about "The image of the country and performance of the team are lot more important than the reputation/head of the coach after his tenure" ... Talia Bajaow public... Talia... you will be a good politician ...... but do you believe a Rafiq's selection or as a matter of fact Pilot's selection make or brake one way or another? I don't think so.... and if you really believe that The image of the country and performance of the team are lot more important" then shouldn't it be applied for the player's false pride and the fan's illogical demand also? As I said before there is quite a few people here believe that Rafiq is no longer our top spinner in the team. S0 how Rafiq's exclusion really hampers our country's performance, is not clear to me. And I have more confidence in our coach's judgment about talent evaluation then fans like you or me. So if the coach has reason to exclude Rafiq, I am perfectly ok with that.

Beamer
February 6, 2008, 10:49 PM
That is a curve ball thrown by Fazal! You totally get it. I guess a certain quarter would have been happy with a lame coach who would only be there to run morning warm ups, parading the players given to him by the selectors, based on popularity contest and big names who has cultivated relationships with a quarter of the media. More importantly, all of our senior players still in the mix are in decline. Some more than others, but, they all are in decline and it won't reverse. These fans won't see it even if you hold a torch light in front of them. You can't make anyone see if he doesn't want to. We should not be bothered with them. Siddons should not care one iota of what some media and fans think. He is paid to rebuild. In a way, he is ( JS ) the unofficial head of selector. We signed him on based on those understandings. He also has arrived at a time when we are clearly in a transitional period. For him to start over with clean slate, it is natural to assume , he would prefer young players based on his liking ( Not any different than an aging NFL team with a new chief at the helm. He will clean house first ). We must give him what he wants and we will judge him after his tenure is over.

BD-Shardul
February 7, 2008, 01:59 AM
OK, JS has now got the supreme power in team selection. I would have been happy with that, but couldn't for two reasons:

(01) His big no for Mashud and especially Rafiq. Some fans defending that saying that hanging with buiras is useless.

(02) But this coach has found something "aloukik" in buira HB's ability and he has no objection at all abt HB's inclusion in the squad.

The bottomline is that if anything remained to be given to BD cricket in old generation, it is in Rafiq.

Miraz
February 7, 2008, 04:08 AM
And I am sorry that I see nothing but emotional out burst comment.

I don't agree that "A coach is appointed for a particular duration to guide the players on and off the field and make them ready for the international cricket" is appropriate for Bangladesh Team, specially when we hire a high profile coach for our lowly rated team. If you want to stick with that (definition of our coach's role), then we will end up hiring another joker coach that we hired before. That the price we pay hiring coach like our current coach. They will ask more control and more power, and we have to give them. Thats the rule of the game. We knew that when hiring him. So there is no point now trying to redefining what the coach's role should be. Its too late my friend.


And talking about "The image of the country and performance of the team are lot more important than the reputation/head of the coach after his tenure" ... Talia Bajaow public... Talia... you will be a good politician ...... but do you believe a Rafiq's selection or as a matter of fact Pilot's selection make or brake one way or another? I don't think so.... and if you really believe that The image of the country and performance of the team are lot more important" then shouldn't it be applied for the player's false pride and the fan's illogical demand also? As I said before there is quite a few people here believe that Rafiq is no longer our top spinner in the team. S0 how Rafiq's exclusion really hampers our country's performance, is not clear to me. And I have more confidence in our coach's judgment about talent evaluation then fans like you or me. So if the coach has reason to exclude Rafiq, I am perfectly ok with that.

Fazal, please read my post again before writing a long comment ..................

This has nothing to do with Rafiq, it's applicable to every single incident related to our cricket team. You have mentioned that
At the end of his contract, he will be judged based on the team's performance. Its not Fan's head... its not players head (they will continue to survive)....its not selector's head... its not BCB executives' head... its the coach's head on the line ...... so let him run the show for two years..... and let him select his team. I have no problem with that.

That clearly indicates that he should have a free ride and should be able to take any decision he likes. My post was against this stance.

Fo example, if Siddons now decide that Ashraful and Mashrafe shouldn't be in the team and decides to omit them from his plan for whatever reason, according to your statement we should be happy with that. Fans/Media should not say a single word as their head will not be under the guillotine after 2-3 years, it's the coach's reputation/head will be under question. And I clearly differ here.

Fans and media have every right to criticize the wrong moves, and it is absolutely normal.

The image of the country and performance of the team are lot more important than the reputation/head of the coach after his tenure.

When you make a generalized statement, you should understand that it applies to every possible situation/decision.

Tigers_eye
February 7, 2008, 09:50 AM
(02) But this coach has found something "aloukik" in buira HB's ability and he has no objection at all abt HB's inclusion in the squad.

JS doesn't. Just be patient. he knows HB's capability at this points just like us. He saw what HB can do (or not). Its the other selectors who made him believe something that wasn't true. Remember HB wasn't in the ODI squad in NZ. Then the bitter performance by the ODI team made ways for the selectors to backdoor HB in. Tushar, Mehrab Jr. were the culprits. They missed their opportunities and made room for HB. With the stats backing I am sure he had no choice but to bow down to the other peer evaluations and give HB his 3k runs. This time around he would have objection in including HB in the final 11.

This 14-17 member roster is also not created by JS. However the final 11 will be. Rafiq will be there that is my hope.

The coach's goal is to send the best 11 in the field which fulfulls his short-term and long-term goals. I pledge my full support to JS.

akabir77
February 7, 2008, 10:26 AM
JS doesn't. Just be patient. he knows HB's capability at this points just like us. He saw what HB can do (or not). Its the other selectors who made him believe something that wasn't true. Remember HB wasn't in the ODI squad in NZ. Then the bitter performance by the ODI team made ways for the selectors to backdoor HB in. Tushar, Mehrab Jr. were the culprits. They missed their opportunities and made room for HB. With the stats backing I am sure he had no choice but to bow down to the other peer evaluations and give HB his 3k runs. This time around he would have objection in including HB in the final 11.

This 14-17 member roster is also not created by JS. However the final 11 will be. Rafiq will be there that is my hope.

The coach's goal is to send the best 11 in the field which fulfulls his short-term and long-term goals. I pledge my full support to JS.

Or may be Coach saw something in him...:-D

zia
February 7, 2008, 11:50 AM
A BIG salute to Md. Rafique. Your name will be written in gold In Bangladesh's cricket history. Best of luck.

Fazal
February 7, 2008, 11:58 AM
That clearly indicates that he should have a free ride and should be able to take any decision he likes. My post was against this stance.

Fo example, if Siddons now decide that Ashraful and Mashrafe shouldn't be in the team and decides to omit them from his plan for whatever reason, according to your statement we should be happy with that. Fans/Media should not say a single word as their head will not be under the guillotine after 2-3 years, it's the coach's reputation/head will be under question. And I clearly differ here.



Please reread my comment. nowhere I said he should have a free ride. What I said is

1) I have more faith in JS's judgment about player's evaluation than you and me.

2) Even though I would like to see Rafiq for the last time, I understand, based on his current performace, he not the best spinner in the team. Therefore i understand if JS doesn't want him.

3) I would give a new coach little bit time and find out more truth about the accusation, before jumping up and down with anger.

Plus what I am saying is

4) If Mashrafee and Ash connot perform for a while and they are droped by JS, I have no problem with that.

5) If a inform star is sropped, I will complain, but will wait to see
a) Really who is behind the decision
b) What were the other possible reasons.
.... before claiming that suddenly I lost all the respect for JS. And there comes immotional reaction.

6) Disagrring with a coach's decision as a fan is one thing, and I have no problem with that. But over reacting is another thing, thats what I was pointing out.

AsifTheManRahman
February 7, 2008, 12:06 PM
5) If a inform star is sropped, I will complain, but will wait to see
a) Really who is behind the decision
b) What were the other possible reasons.
.... before claiming that suddenly I lost all the respect for JS. And there comes immotional reaction.

6) Disagrring with a coach's decision as a fan is one thing, and I have no problem with that. But over reacting is another thing, thats what I was pointing out.


Spot on. No good can come out of making a big deal out of a small issue. Besides, we all know the media and the devil are the same person.

Also, why does it matter when Rafique's been included anyways? It just goes to show that things are not quite as bad as they have been portrayed.

Miraz
February 7, 2008, 12:56 PM
Fazal, I have already said it couple of times that I haven't said anything about Rafiq here. My comment was based on your comment
At the end of his contract, he will be judged based on the team's performance. Its not Fan's head... its not players head (they will continue to survive)....its not selector's head... its not BCB executives' head... its the coach's head on the line ...... so let him run the show for two years..... and let him select his team. I have no problem with that.

And I disagree with your stance. I have explained why I disagree with you in the last couple of posts.

I haven't said a single word about Rafiq, my comments have nothing to do with Rafiq. You have made a generalized statement and I opposed your stance.

I do not believe that a coach should have a free ride as he will only judged at the end of his tenure.

And Fans and media have every right to criticize the wrong moves, and it is absolutely normal.

I am sorry that I failed to make you understand about my position.

Murad
February 7, 2008, 02:33 PM
Rafique to retire after South Africa series
Cricinfo (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/story/335373.html)staff
February 7, 2008

Mohammad Rafique, the veteran left-arm spinner, has informed the Bangladesh selectors that the upcoming home series against South Africa will be the final leg of his 13-year stint with the national squad.

"Rafique is our most experienced spinner. We have recalled him [after he missed out of the New Zealand series] because our chances of winning the series depend on him," Bangladesh chief selector Rafiqul Alam told AFP, adding that Rafique told him about the his decision to retire.

Rafique, who is Bangladesh's highest wicket-taker in Tests and ODIs with 94 and 119 wickets respectively, is aiming to sign off by becoming the first bowler from his country to take 100 Test wickets.

He made his ODI debut against India in Sharjah in April 1995, and played in Bangladesh's inaugural Test in November 2000, also against India, and was their most economical bowler with figures of 3 for 117 in 51 overs. Rafique played starring roles in Bangladesh's first ODI and Test wins: against Kenya in 1999 he followed three wickets with 77 as opener and, against Zimbabwe in early 2005, he claimed figures of 5 for 65.

An aggressive lower-order batsman, Rafique has scored 1035 at 19.52 in his 31 Tests, his only century coming while batting at No. 9 against West Indies in St. Lucia, when he helped Bangladesh claim a vital first-innings lead.

In the one-day format, Rafique has scored 1191 runs at 13.38, and is the first Bangladesh player to achieve the 1000 runs and 100 wickets double in ODIs.


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One Mistake in the Article. Rafique took 125 wickets not 119.

Nafis_BD
February 7, 2008, 02:55 PM
Rafique will be missed but I hope he he plays really well this series. Good luck to him!!

exotic
February 7, 2008, 02:56 PM
Rafique, who is Bangladesh's highest wicket-taker in Tests and ODIs with 94 and 119 wickets respectively......

One Mistake in the Article. Rafique took 125 wickets not 119.

Technically the information is correct. He indeed took 125 int'l wkt. 119 while playing for Bangladesh and remaining 6 for Asia XI in Afro-Asia Cup.

Fazal
February 7, 2008, 03:06 PM
Fazal, I have already said it couple of times that I haven't said anything about Rafiq here. My comment was based on your comment


And I disagree with your stance. I have explained why I disagree with you in the last couple of posts.

I haven't said a single word about Rafiq, my comments have nothing to do with Rafiq. You have made a generalized statement and I opposed your stance.

I do not believe that a coach should have a free ride as he will only judged at the end of his tenure.

And Fans and media have every right to criticize the wrong moves, and it is absolutely normal.

I am sorry that I failed to make you understand about my position.

Obviously we are in two different zones. Beacuse all my comments (as you stated) was the result of your comments below that you made a while ago...

If the comment of Siddons is true, I am sorry to say that I have lost all my respect for him.

An international coach who took Bangladesh as his mission doesn't even know about Rafiq?? He has to ask different people to know how good Rafiq is??

No explanation can satisfy me. I have no problem if Rafiq doesn't get selected, but this is a different story and completely unacceptable in my book.

I thoght JS did something terribly bad..something really BAD...but I found out there was nothing too disturbing in that report ... plus the authenticity of that report is also a question mark.... then I expressed my opinion that some fans are over reacting (in my opinion) instead of giving JS a benefit of doubt. You can say Rafiq is not the issue in our debate... but its hard to believe that based on your comment quoted above.



Who says Coach should be getting free ride? But does that mean, coach doesn't deserve a fair chance? Does that mean every time there is something written in the news media against the coach, we will criticize the coach with out validating the news?
You say, "
I do not believe that a coach should have a free ride as he will only judged at the end of his tenure." in one end but then give questionable reporters a free ride and jump into conclusion by not giving the coach any benifit of doubt.

Rifat
February 8, 2008, 05:22 PM
the team as a unit should do something special for this passionate devoted man, the next chance couldn't be any less worth of Gold....

USE IT WELL IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND CONQUER

Miraz
February 8, 2008, 06:09 PM
Fazal, the comment you quoted was my first post in this thread and that was before your post and has no relation with your post.

When I replied to your post, I quoted the comments and I said again and again that I am not with your stance that a coach should be able to do whatever he likes because it's only him who will be judged after his tenure.

The thread started with Rafiq but from that point my discussion was a generalized discussion.