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Murad
February 9, 2008, 12:06 PM
Guys, post all the NEWS and PICTURES from Tigers Practice camp in this thread. Then it will be easier to follow all news. Thanks.

Here's one from First Day.

[বাংলা]ব্যাটসম্যানদের কাছে রান দাবি স্পিনারদের[/বাংলা]

[বাংলা]ঢাকা, ৯ ফেব্র"য়ারি (বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম) --- উপমহাদেশের উইকেটে স্পিনের বিরুদ্ধে দুর্বলতা আছে দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকান ব্যাটসম্যানদের। ১৪ ফেব্র"য়ারি তাদের বাংলাদেশে চলে আসার আগে তাই আবারো আলোচনায় উঠে এসেছেন বাংলাদেশের বাঁ হাতি স্পিনাররা, যারা কিনা গত এপ্রিলে ওয়েস্ট ইন্ডিজে ওয়ানডে বিশ্বকাপের সুপার এইট ম্যাচে নাকাল করেছিলেন গ্রায়েম স্মিথের দলকে। ২২ ফেব্র"য়ারি থেকে শুরু হতে যাওয়া সিরিজের প্রথম টেস্টে ভালো কিছু করার জন্য তাই তাদের দিকেই বেশি তাকিয়ে আছে বাংলাদেশ। কিন্তু সেজন্য যে ব্যাটসম্যানদেরও ধারাবাহিক ব্যর্থতা থেকে বেরিয়ে আসা জরুরী, সেকথা শনিবার মিরপুরে শেরেবাংলা জাতীয় স্টেডিয়ামে মুখ ফুটে বলেই ফেললেন স্পিনাররা।

ম্যাচ খেলে প্রস্তুতি নেওয়ার পর্ব শেষ ৬ তারিখেই। তারপর দু'দিনের বিরতি শেষে এদিনই আবার শিষ্যদের নিয়ে নেমে পড়েছেন কোচ জেমি সিডন্স। অবশ্য দিনটা কেটেছে শুধু ফিটনেস ট্রেনিংয়েই। তারই এক ফাঁকে পুরো দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকা সিরিজের জন্য ১৭ জনের দলে থাকা এনামুল হক জুনিয়র এলেন সংবাদ মাধ্যমের মুখোমুখি হতে। সেখানে উপমহাদেশের উইকেটে দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকান ব্যাটসম্যানদের দুর্বলতার প্রসঙ্গ এলো অবধারিতভাবেই। আর সেই দুর্বলতা কাজে লাগানোয় নিজেদের প্রচেষ্টাকেই যথেষ্ট বলে মনে করলেন না বাংলাদেশের প্রথম এবং এখনো পর্যন্ত একমাত্র টেস্ট জয়ের নায়ক।

নিউজিল্যান্ড সফরে টেস্ট সিরিজে চরমভাবে ব্যর্থ হয়ে আসা ব্যাটসম্যানদের কাছে রানের দাবিও জানিয়ে বসলেন তিনি, "সবাই জানেন এই অঞ্চলে এসে তাদের ব্যাটসম্যানরা স্পিন খেলতে সমস্যায় পড়েন। আমরাও হয়তো ভোগাতে পারবো। আর স্পিনারদের বাকি কাজটা করে দিতে খুব সুবিধা হবে যদি আমাদের ব্যাটসম্যানরা স্কোরবোর্ডে রান দিতে পারেন।" এনামুল 'বাকি কাজ' বলতে নিশ্চয়ই টেস্ট জয়ের কথা বোঝাননি। পুরো বাংলাদেশ শিবিরই তো টেস্ট চতুর্থ কিংবা পঞ্চম দিনে নিয়ে যাওয়াকে চূড়ান্ত লক্ষ্য বলে ধরছে।

এই লক্ষ্যে পৌঁছানো কতটা সম্ভব? উত্তরদাতা মোহাম্মদ রফিককে বেশ আশাবাদীই মনে হলো। বাংলাদেশের বেশিরভাগ টেস্টই তো প্রতিপক্ষের মাত্র এক ইনিংস খেলার গল্প। মিরপুরের উইকেটে খেলার অভিজ্ঞতা থেকে এবার সেরকম গল্পের পুনরাবৃত্তি ঠেকানো যাবে বলেই মনে করছেন দু'ধরনের ক্রিকেটেই বাংলাদেশের সবচেয়ে বেশি উইকেটের মালিক, "এখানকার উইকেটে জাতীয় ক্রিকেট লিগের ম্যাচ খেলেছি। উইকেট যদি তখনকার মতোই আচরণ করে তাহলে ওদের দ্বিতীয় ইনিংসে ব্যাটিং করতে নামানো যাবে বলেই মনে হয় আমার।" এই সিরিজ শেষেই আন্তর্জাতিক ক্রিকেটকে বিদায় জানাচ্ছেন তিনি। প্রথম বাংলাদেশী বোলার হিসেবে টেস্টে একশ উইকেটের মাইলফলকে পৌঁছাতে আর মাত্র ছয়টা উইকেট প্রয়োজন দেশসেরা এই বাঁ হাতি স্পিনারের। সেটা না হলেও এই সিরিজই তার শেষ।

শেষ সিরিজে দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকাকে দুবার ব্যাটিং করতে নামাতে হলে দলের ব্যাটসম্যানদের অবশ্যপালনীয় একটা শর্ত দিচ্ছেন তিনি, "ব্যাটসম্যানরা যদি (প্রথম ইনিংসে) তিনশ রান করে দিতে পারে, তাহলে দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকাকে দুবার ব্যাটিংয়ে নামাতে পারবো বলে আশা রাখি।" আর আব্দুর রাজ্জাকের প্রত্যাশা উইকেটের 'টার্ন' যেন হারিয়ে না যায়। গত বছর মে মাসে ভারতীয় দলের বাংলাদেশ সফরের অভিজ্ঞতায় তিনি বললেন, "ভারত সিরিজের সময়ও দুদিন পর উইকেট একেবারে ফ্ল্যাট হয়ে যেতে দেখেছি। এরকম হয়ে গেলে আসলে কিছুই করার থাকে না।" আবার ব্যাটসম্যানরা রান না করলেও বোলারদের কিছু করার থাকে না। সুতরাং বোলারদের দিয়ে কিছু করাতে হলে এবার ব্যাটসম্যানদেরও কিছু করতে হবে।[/বাংলা]

BDNEWS24.COM (http://www.bdnews24.com/bangla/details.php?id=19904&cid=26)

Rabz
February 9, 2008, 12:34 PM
Thanks for the link Muradnyc.

Btw, (off topic), cool avatar. reminds me of my love-hate relation with The Matrix triology.

Murad
February 9, 2008, 12:53 PM
Thanks for the link Muradnyc.

Btw, (off topic), cool avatar. reminds me of my love-hate relation with The Matrix triology.

Lolz..

Thanks..

Murad
February 9, 2008, 01:17 PM
'Give us runs to bowl at'

"It is quite possible to bowl South Africa out twice in this kind of conditions as we (spinners) will get assistance from the pitch. But first of all, we have to put up some runs on the board. If our batsmen can managed some runs then it would be really a fantastic series for us," said Rafique while talking to the reporters yesterday during the first day's practice at the Mirpur Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium.

The 37-year-old left-arm spinner reconfirmed his retirement from international cricket after the series against South Africa and expressed optimism of saying goodbye with 100 wickets in both version of the game, as the first Bangladeshi.

"I am hopeful of completing it (the record) in the first Test. We have to do something special in the first Test because the South Africans hardly have any knowledge about the conditions at Mirpur. If we can give our hundred per cent then anything can happen in Mirpur," said Rafique, who is now six wickets shy from the hundred wicket-haul in Tests.

Rafique also explained the reason behind his decision to quit the international cricket after the series.

"It may be possible for me to continue international cricket for another year but it will stop players like Rubel (Mosharraf Hossain) to explore into international cricket. I also have an offer from dada (Sourav Ganguly) to play IPL but it didn't play any role to take the decision because there is nothing confirmed," he added.

Young left-arm spinner Enamul Haque also sounded positive like his senior fellow in the upcoming series considering the fact that the South African batsmen are uncomfortable against the left-armers.

"I think we have a good chance to do something better in the series because it is possible to bowl South Africa out twice here. But we must ensure one thing that we put up at least 300 runs on the board," said Enamul.

"You saw how they (South African batsman) struggled against our spinners in the World Cup match in Guyana and it's because of the slow and turning wicket there. The South Africans will face almost the same conditions here," he added.

Abdur Razzak however was cautious about the advantage of the condition rather he emphasized on team effort to show something special in the series after disastrous tours to Sri Lanka and New Zealand.

“Normally our spinners do well and definitely the home conditions will favour us. But it's not always right to think that the spinners will get preference from slow and turning wicket. Sometimes, the opposite thing can also happen,” he observed.

“Every match will be a total team game and all of us will have to work hard. If we can put up a good score then it would be easier for our bowlers to dominate the opponents,” said Razzak.

Daily Star (http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=22761)

http://www.thedailystar.net/photos/2008-02-10__sp02.jpg

SHAPING UP FOR A LAST HURRAH! Ace left-arm spinner Mohammad Rafique bowls in the nets while captain Mohammad Ashraful (C) and injured opener Tamim Iqbal look on during Bangladesh cricket team's training at the indoors of the Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium in Mirpur yesterday

al Furqaan
February 9, 2008, 01:49 PM
"It may be possible for me to continue international cricket for another year but it will stop players like Rubel (Mosharraf Hossain) to explore into international cricket. I also have an offer from dada (Sourav Ganguly) to play IPL but it didn't play any role to take the decision because there is nothing confirmed," he added.

is rafique trying to be the anti-bashar/JO???

i can't agree with this. a senior player should keep playing if he performs and should only quit if he feels like it or if he is sure that the younger player will benefit the team more. i respect rafiques knowledge and he has really put his faith on rubel, but i still doubt rubel can come in and do what rafique can. maybe rafique is just covering his butt cuz he knows he doesn't have it anymore. if so, then i can agree with rafique.

but you have to really respect rafique's down to earthness over the delusions of grandeur that plague bashar.

al-Sagar
February 9, 2008, 11:01 PM
i think mosharraf hossain rubel should be in the camp.

for me he is the bowler who can takover from rafique in both forms of cricket. razzak is more suited in ODI and enamul is more suited in TESTS.

but for me rubel has the capabilty do well in both forms of cricket.

i would like to see him against IRELAND. and then in ASIA CUP if it happens and also in the A TEAMS tour at england to gain some experience.

mshakir56
February 10, 2008, 12:46 AM
'Give us runs to bowl at'


Daily Star (http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=22761)

http://www.thedailystar.net/photos/2008-02-10__sp02.jpg

look At

SHAPING UP FOR A LAST HURRAH! Ace left-arm spinner Mohammad Rafique bowls in the nets while captain Mohammad Ashraful (C) and injured opener Tamim Iqbal look on during Bangladesh cricket team's training at the indoors of the Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium in Mirpur yesterday

Look at Ashraful sitting next to Tamim ! Ashraful seems like Tamims youngest son !:lol:

Gowza
February 10, 2008, 01:05 AM
i think mosharraf hossain rubel should be in the camp.

for me he is the bowler who can takover from rafique in both forms of cricket. razzak is more suited in ODI and enamul is more suited in TESTS.

but for me rubel has the capabilty do well in both forms of cricket.

i would like to see him against IRELAND. and then in ASIA CUP if it happens and also in the A TEAMS tour at england to gain some experience.

what's wrong with just using razzak for one-dayers and enamul for test matches? if a player is to represent in all formats as the #1 spinner he should be the best spinner in each of those formats, if he is then pick him otherwise just go with the best for each format.

as for rafique i agree with his retirement decision for a similar reason to why damien martyn retired. martyn retired because he knew he wouldn't be giving cricket 100% anymore and he thought that was unfair to the team and i agree with that. rafique isn't giving his 100% to cricket anymore so he should imo give way to someone who will, ok they might not play at the standard he would but at least that player will be giving it there all which rafique wouldn't be.

al-Sagar
February 10, 2008, 01:56 AM
what's wrong with just using razzak for one-dayers and enamul for test matches? if a player is to represent in all formats as the #1 spinner he should be the best spinner in each of those formats, if he is then pick him otherwise just go with the best for each format.


nothing wrong with razzak or enamul. we always played two spinners where rafiq played in both ODI and tests and razzak and enamul being played only in one versions.

i am thinking rubel can be the replacement of rafiq who can play in both versions. and razzak and enamul is there two partner him as 2nd spinner.

also rubel can be useful with his batting like rafiq was. which is also a plus point for hm to take up rafiq's role

Gowza
February 10, 2008, 01:56 AM
so you mean play rubel as the 2nd spinner in both formats? if he's good enough go for it but shakib is in his way plus the selectors might prefer to try razzak in tests than bring someone new onto the scene.

al-Sagar
February 10, 2008, 02:03 AM
so you mean play rubel as the 2nd spinner in both formats? if he's good enough go for it but shakib is in his way plus the selectors might prefer to try razzak in tests than bring someone new onto the scene.

exactly. as for sakib he is still cannot be rickoned as 10 over bowler in ODI's or a genuine wicket taker in tests.

buts it a good luxury to have so many talents.

and mosharraf hossain rubel is not far from making his entry

Gowza
February 10, 2008, 02:07 AM
well if rafique does retire they'll definately be in the market for a full time test spinner and i don't think enamul has secured that spot yet so rubel may get his chance.

al-Sagar
February 10, 2008, 03:49 AM
well rafique is certainly gonna retire. and hosting IRELAND will be the first series without RAFIQUE.

al-Sagar
February 10, 2008, 03:51 AM
i will have a walk around the MIRPUR STADIUM in around a hour. i will try to sneek in and see whats happening.

when i return home i hope i will post what i found out

mshakir56
February 10, 2008, 03:53 AM
I don't think Enamul will fit into Rafiques shoes ! Rubel might just be the one as Rafique mentioned ! Our selectors should listen to Legends like Rafique .

mshakir56
February 10, 2008, 03:54 AM
i will have a walk around the MIRPUR STADIUM in around a hour. i will try to sneek in and see whats happening.

when i return home i hope i will post what i found out

Hey, you could become Banglacrickets Spy reporter !:floor:

Nocturnal
February 10, 2008, 03:56 AM
Hey, you could become Banglacrickets Spy reporter !:floor:

i agree :D

tiger_army
February 10, 2008, 04:02 AM
well rafique is certainly gonna retire. and hosting IRELAND will be the first series without RAFIQUE.

R u going mate or not ?
can u plz take some pic if u can...

al-Sagar
February 10, 2008, 04:11 AM
i heard the training as actually done behind closed doors that is no ppl are allowed to entry. not sure about it.

its now 3 PM. and i will leave around 4 PM and the stadium is 10 minute walk for me.

i will take my k790i cybershot cell phone and try to take pics if possible and allowed

tiger_army
February 10, 2008, 04:47 AM
come on man b a man!! break the doors and walls or sneak through the security, but ur assignment is to get us some newz..... do it for the country

al-Sagar
February 10, 2008, 07:53 AM
well i reached the stadium about 4-30 PM and what the securit told me that the players have left around 3-30.

i sneaked through a gate and watched the groundsman watering the outfield and rolling the pitches. also some repair work under progres in the below hospitality box

tiger_army
February 10, 2008, 08:20 AM
Oh man u showed our tru color again, Bangalis r never thr on time....ohh. at least cud take a pic of the ground....

BD-Shardul
February 10, 2008, 12:12 PM
The clash between Injury and dream (http://prothom-alo.com/fcat.news.details.php?issuedate=2008-02-10&nid=MTk4NTQ=&fid=Ng==)

First Five of Hablu (http://prothom-alo.com/fcat.news.details.php?issuedate=2008-02-10&nid=MTk4NTU=&fid=Ng==)

About the Wicket (http://prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODI3NTk=&mid=OA==)

Dada helps Mohammad Rafique to play in IPL (http://prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODI3NjA=&mid=OA==)

mshakir56
February 10, 2008, 12:48 PM
Oh man u showed our tru color again, Bangalis r never thr on time....ohh. at least cud take a pic of the ground....

Very true ! Bengalis are never on time !

kalpurush
February 10, 2008, 01:14 PM
Very true ! Bengalis are never on time !
Are you in that list,too?!;)

zainab
February 10, 2008, 01:49 PM
I dont think that Tamim will be fit to play in the first test match, seems like he may be ready for the ODIs. I dont think Siddons will take the chance to allow him to bat with an injured thumb.

nzfan
February 10, 2008, 04:37 PM
They have to give forhad reza his test cap, what is the point of playing incredibly well domestically to have to sit on the bench.

FagunerAgun
February 10, 2008, 05:33 PM
well i reached the stadium about 4-30 PM and what the securit told me that the players have left around 3-30.

:floor::floor::floor:

But thanks for trying for us. You will be successful next time.

tanim3960
February 10, 2008, 11:08 PM
look at the above picture of Tamim. is he still suffering from his finger fracture?

mshakir56
February 11, 2008, 01:10 AM
Are you in that list,too?!;)

You wouldn't wanna know how many times I missed important appointements by 5 minutes !

nsd3
February 11, 2008, 07:56 AM
Source: http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/index.php?newsID=4816&pageTitle=details&editionID=266

On Sunday Siddons spent most of the time with Ashraful-Aftab and sometime with Rajin, Mushfiq. Sean Williams used bowling machine with Nafees, Farhad, Bashar, Mashrafi. Batting was stressed mainly in the session.

al-Sagar
February 11, 2008, 08:48 AM
3rd days practice is now over.

Mohiul
February 11, 2008, 09:38 AM
Red & Green were the teams that participated in today's practice match.

Green
146/10 (86.1 overs)
(Rajin Saleh 31 of 102 balls, Haba 28 of 88 balls, Aftab 27 of 98 balls, Ash 0 of 4 balls)

very disappointing show

full news (http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/index.php?newsID=4826&pageTitle=details&editionID=266)

Mohiul
February 11, 2008, 11:15 AM
http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/adminpanel/pictures/1202730081.jpg

Mohiul
February 11, 2008, 11:17 AM
http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/adminpanel/pictures/1202730081.jpg


http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/adminpanel/pictures/1202730109.jpg

source: bdkhela

mshakir56
February 11, 2008, 11:21 AM
Red & Green were the teams that participated in today's practice match.

Green
146/10 (86.1 overs)
(Rajin Saleh 31 of 102 balls, Haba 28 of 88 balls, Aftab 27 of 98 balls, Ash 0 of 4 balls)

very disappointing show

full news (http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/index.php?newsID=4826&pageTitle=details&editionID=266)

This is a dreadful performance ! What is wrong with them knuckle heads ?

Rizvi
February 11, 2008, 12:05 PM
Wow...Can we expect anything otherwise in the actual matches?

Tigers_eye
February 11, 2008, 12:25 PM
Red & Green were the teams that participated in today's practice match.

Green
146/10 (86.1 overs)
(Rajin Saleh 31 of 102 balls, Haba 28 of 88 balls, Aftab 27 of 98 balls, Ash 0 of 4 balls)

very disappointing show

full news (http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/index.php?newsID=4826&pageTitle=details&editionID=266)
There must be a misunderstanding on scoring runs. Or Coach siddons said asked them not count 4s or 6's or something. 2 and 2 does not add up right.
0 of 4 and 11 of 74 from Ash???
28 of 88 and 2 of 29 from HB???
Aftab 27 of 98 balls???
Rajin Saleh 31 of 102 balls now that is acceptable because we all know Rajin can do that. But others????

mshakir56
February 11, 2008, 12:41 PM
There must be a misunderstanding on scoring runs. Or Coach siddons said asked them not count 4s or 6's or something. 2 and 2 does not add up right.
0 of 4 and 11 of 74 from Ash???
28 of 88 and 2 of 29 from HB???
Aftab 27 of 98 balls???
Rajin Saleh 31 of 102 balls now that is acceptable because we all know Rajin can do that. But others????

Ashrafuls innigs were the most shocking of all ! I think the coach advised told them to leave the deliveries outside the off stump or something.

Ajfar
February 11, 2008, 12:48 PM
damn...we screweddd

Beamer
February 11, 2008, 12:52 PM
186 all out ! sigh..I think they are stuck between playing strokes and learning to wait to play strokes, but managing to achieve neither. Buckle up for a long journey and don't be surprised if we lose way in trying to learn that 'phase'. But, this has to be learned. No other way around it if you want success in longer version. Long term prosperity is what we seek.

Rabz
February 11, 2008, 12:56 PM
May be the coach asked them to score only in singles.
No boundaries aloud.
..or may be only to play ground shots...something like that....

Ajfar
February 11, 2008, 12:58 PM
May be the coach asked them to score only in singles.
No boundaries aloud.
..or may be only to play ground shots...something like that....

noo...if siddon asked em to do thatt...they wud hav been out.way before 86 over...

Tigers_eye
February 11, 2008, 01:56 PM
I guess I was wrong.
Here is what Ash had to say... "Please wait"
http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=22991

Despite the Tigers looking pale in their batting in the practice matches, captain Mohammad Ashraful understands that his side is close to getting an outcome from the new idea.

To find a way to cope up with South Africa in the two-match Test series, coach Jamie Siddons tried his charges in a longer-version game at the Mirpur Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium yesterday but none of them could utilised the opportunity.

"We have been practising under our new coach in a different manner because we mostly concentrate on match practice rather than only knocking in the nets. I think every batsman benefited from this new practice and it is a matter of time before we get an outcome from it," said Ashraful.

"You might be disappointed by seeing the scorecard but some of our batsman showed character by occupying the crease as much as they could. This match practice will help us a lot to accustom with the conditions at Mirpur where batting is not so easy," he added.

Ashraful also praised the way their new coach worked with the individual players to rectify small mistakes in their batting.

"He found that I drive in the air on most of the occasions which caused a premature finish of my innings. Now I am trying to play it in the ground. Most of the other batsmen also found that they have some small problems in their batting," he said.

[I am just baffled to hear this from Ash and others after 6/7 years of International Cricket. They didn't know this before?? Oh!! come'on!!! ]

For the last few days, the Tigers played some 45-overs-a-side matches during the practice sessions but Siddons shifted his focus on the longer-version game yesterday, as the series will start with the Test matches starting from February 22.

Rather than sweating it out in the net, the new Bangladesh coach preferred match practice to find out a solution of the wretched batting but still there was no headway coming from his charges.

Captain Ashraful, former skipper Habibul Bashar and left-handed opener Zunaed Siddiqui had to bat twice in their Green team's effort to make 146 runs in 86.1 overs.

Rajin Saleh served the purpose slightly by staying in the middle as much as possible as the right-hander occupied the crease for more than two hours (144 minutes) to score 31 off 102 balls while Bashar also survived for more than two hours in his first attempt to score 28 off 88 balls but he failed in the second attempt.

Ashraful also looked good in his second attempt but the most encouraging sign was the patience shown by Aftab Ahmed who curbed his strokes to make 27 off 98 balls.

Chief selector Rafiqul Alam found some positives from the boys batting despite the poor showing of most of the batsmen in the practice matches.

"Still the batsmen need hard work to make an impression in the coming series but they looked more steady in the middle than the New Zealand tour although they failed to make big scores. I am very impressed with the way practice is going on," he said.

"It is good to knock in the indoor and outdoor but much better to practice in a match and nothing is better than to play competitive cricket," he added.

zainab
February 11, 2008, 01:57 PM
Dont blame the batsmen. It is a new technique of batting under Siddons. it means that batsmen are deviating from natural stroke playing. They have to learn to play more balls along the ground, so I think it will take them a few days to try to adjust. Changes do not happen overnight, so have patience.

Pundit
February 11, 2008, 02:05 PM
You know something - I captained a local outfit back in my high school days! I really enjoyed getting out their and bat during practice with the same care and stake as if it were the real deal. That was a message I never could get to my team-mates: Typically, I would have a revolt in my hand if we had two straight days of no fun batting where we kids typically liked to play a game where scoring runs was the main issue.

But what really is more appalling is that no one really figured that approach out even at the highest levels, until this guy Siddons came along. Great going coach!

akabir77
February 11, 2008, 02:16 PM
T_E i was thinking the same thing that you wrote in red. And he is our captain. this shows the players knowledge of this game. I have started to think that may be we should stop playing TEST. I mean its one thing not to be able to compete because of the skill but its totally different not to be able to compete cuase we don't even know what our problem is or how to play this game...

Tigers_eye
February 11, 2008, 02:41 PM
May be Watmore has changed these boys mentality by focusing on Powerplay too much (ODI centric). In test there is no Powerplay.

Fazal
February 11, 2008, 02:50 PM
... for the last few years, every time I opened my mouth about Ash, I was being reminded that Ash is learning, we need to give him more time. Now the bubble bursted by Ash, himself. Forget about learning... he didn't even know where is his short comming and where he need to work on. What's next? What else he doesn't know yet? Does he (and the team mates) know that in Test match RR is not as important as ODI? Does he (and the team mates) knows five 1s and 1 dot ball in one over add more to the scoreboard than one 4 and 5 dot balls in a over?

akabir77
February 11, 2008, 02:55 PM
... for the last few years, every time I opened my mouth about Ash, I was being reminded that Ash is learning, we need to give him more time. Now the bubble bursted by Ash, himself. Forget about learning... he didn't even know where is his short comming and where he need to work on. What's next? What else he doesn't know yet? Does he (and the team mated) know that in Test match RR is not as important as ODI? Does he (and the team mated) knows five 1s and 1 dot ball in one over add more to the scoreboard than one 4 and 5 dot balls in a over?

AMI HOTASH...

The other day he said he realized the importance of taking singles(which BTW still he did not show anywhere that he remembers that) and now this...

Tigers_eye
February 11, 2008, 03:07 PM
Siddon is trying to make the players play their UNnatural game. Woohoo!! Finally someone put a sock in the mouth of this natural game thingi. Everyone is not Sachin. Sachin drops in a nation once a century even if that.

Tamim'r natural game gasey now he is so much more polished (Ura dhura agai asey andagunda mar ar marey na. what a relief). Monay asey ager Administration'a shobai bola suru korsilo "natural game this, natural game that". Twenty/20 are too many ODIs had crippled all the progress we made in 2003 and 2004 in Test arena. Not playing tests for such a long time in between and domestic cricket being Picnic cricket we are starting back from zero.

Hope to see a big adjustment on Ash and Aftab's game in this series. Latthi maar natural game'rey. Shakib'r natural game tao thik kora dorkar. Hopefully Coach will guide him too. The only one with immense amount of unnatural game is Mushi.

tonoy
February 11, 2008, 03:13 PM
... for the last few years, every time I opened my mouth about Ash, I was being reminded that Ash is learning, we need to give him more time. Now the bubble bursted by Ash, himself. Forget about learning... he didn't even know where is his short comming and where he need to work on. What's next? What else he doesn't know yet? Does he (and the team mates) know that in Test match RR is not as important as ODI? Does he (and the team mates) knows five 1s and 1 dot ball in one over add more to the scoreboard than one 4 and 5 dot balls in a over?

thank you. finally someone seeing the way I see it.

kalpurush
February 11, 2008, 03:15 PM
You wouldn't wanna know how many times I missed important appointements by 5 minutes !
Good luck for next time...!:)

Fazal
February 11, 2008, 03:16 PM
Exactly. If a player cannot (or does not even try to) adjust his game to the need of the team and game situation, that player will not be that much of a use for the team, most of the time. And thats what is happening to our super stars, they end up contributing only once in a while; the other times they fail.

kalpurush
February 11, 2008, 03:19 PM
damn...we screweddd
Ya...in a practice match!:head:;)

Beamer
February 11, 2008, 03:27 PM
Baffling! Sense of sadness mixed with laughter was my initial thoughts when I read it. Anybody with any passing understanding of the game knew that Ash plays too much in the air, even when he drives, that resulted in so many of his pre mature dismissals. It took a Siddons to point out this obvious? Does he not analyze his own game? What about Whatmore who had a four year stint? He didn't notice it either when so many of us fans knew it. Bigger question is whether this new found realization will change our (his) fortunes. Is he capable of learning now since he was unaware of it before as bizarre as it may sound? We will soon find out, I suppose, and it is always better to be late than never.

tonoy
February 11, 2008, 03:29 PM
anyone know team red's batting card?

kalpurush
February 11, 2008, 03:33 PM
AMI HOTASH...

The other day he said he realized the importance of taking singles(which BTW still he did not show anywhere that he remembers that) and now this...
It is because Ashraful is not a "kotha-shilpi" and not a politician either!
I was always amused by "Ershad" for his sweet talks!!;)

kalpurush
February 11, 2008, 03:36 PM
Baffling! Sense of sadness mixed with laughter was my initial thoughts when I read it. Anybody with any passing understanding of the game knew that Ash plays too much in the air, even when he drives, that resulted in so many of his pre mature dismissals. It took a Siddons to point out this obvious? Does he not analyze his own game? What about Whatmore who had a four year stint? He didn't notice it either when so many of us fans knew it. Bigger question is whether this new found realization will change our (his) fortunes. Is he capable of learning now since he was unaware of it before as bizarre as it may sound? We will soon find out, I suppose, and it is always better to be late than never.
Ashraful was just pleasing Mr. Siddons....;)

akabir77
February 11, 2008, 03:59 PM
It is because Ashraful is not a "kotha-shilpi" and not a politician either!
I was always amused by "Ershad" for his sweet talks!!;)

Yeah that might be it.

but wait he does play it on the air and doesn't take any singles...:onethephone:

Fazal
February 11, 2008, 04:04 PM
First this ..
It is because Ashraful is not a "kotha-shilpi" and not a politician either!

and then this

Ashraful was just pleasing Mr. Siddons....;)

now I am confused. Is he a politician or he is not a politician?

Murad
February 11, 2008, 07:41 PM
Ashraful was not out on 11.

al-Sagar
February 11, 2008, 08:28 PM
only shots approved by SIDDONS were counted for runs

nsd3
February 11, 2008, 08:36 PM
only shots approved by SIDDONS were counted for runs
Do we have a source for this OR are we just making fantasy stories (which is good for a jompesh adda though)?

cricman
February 11, 2008, 08:54 PM
only shots approved by SIDDONS were counted for runs

really? I like dictator siddons

nsd3
February 11, 2008, 09:07 PM
2nd day game will be on after 2 days gap (on Thursday).
Source: http://www.shamokal.com/details.php?nid=88625 (Last Line)

Siddons might give some lessons on Day 1 game to the players today and tomorrow. Fantasy: Supply of chikon basher konchi is on the way towards Mirpur.

dash
February 11, 2008, 10:32 PM
this is all cap.

nd ou skiper is pathetic

mshakir56
February 12, 2008, 12:07 AM
I was surprise to find out that Ashraful didnt know that he drives the ball uppishly ! I mean comeon, did he not ever see himself playing on TV ? I mean any of us could have told him that !

al Furqaan
February 12, 2008, 12:11 AM
1) i refuse to accept that a guy who knows that one should "cut murali's doosras but not his stock off breaks" cannot figure out if he drives on the up far too often or not and has to be told by a coach.

we all know that ashraful has shot selection problems and sudden rushes of blood. we also know that ashraful would probably have spoken to the media at Mirpur in Bangla and not in English.

personally i don't expect our adha murkho journos to correctly translate something, given that even educated bengalis (my father included) have a tendency to say the most FOBy things in english.

"unee bolchen je amee drive korar shomai beshi uppishly khelee..." could have been mis-translated as "he found that i drive in the air..." doesn't mean that ashraful never found that out before. Whatmore, i think its proven was a terrible technical coach. he was a great motivator and understood psychology very well, but probably never found out of bothered to tell ash to not play in the air.

its one thing to tell a small child "the stove is hot" and another thing to tell him "don't touch it". whatmore, at most, only said the former.

guys as young and orphaned (in a cricketing sense) as our players need to be told explicitly what to do, no matter how talented or intelligent they might be.

2)there is a difference between "knowing" something and realizing it. for example, don't you think a guy like virender sehwag realizes that he gets bowled by incoming deliveries quite a lot? but for whatever reason, he is unable to change that aspect of his technique.

IMO, most of the drives i have seen of ash, are no more aerial than usual drives. its not really the uppishness of the drive that does him in, its more his attempt to drive a ball that he shouldn't drive. which generally tends to be uppish.

think of all the drives ash has executed in his test career. some were 4s, some 3s, 2s, 1s, and dots. and then there are perhaps 20 drives which were outs.

bottom line is it comes down to shot selection. plain and simple. ash, aftab, bashar, et al do not play according to the merit of the ball.

kalpurush
February 12, 2008, 12:29 AM
First this ..


and then this



now I am confused. Is he a politician or he is not a politician?
[বাংলা]বোকা![/বাংলা]

cricman
February 12, 2008, 12:39 AM
Ash is alot smarter than you guys give him credit for, he's just giving himself some extra time with the fans and selectors :D

RazabQ
February 12, 2008, 12:42 AM
Guys, why are you taking a simple statement at such face value. I'm thinking that Siddons pulled a Moneyball and explained to Ashraful a specific set of deliveries (pace, bounce, width, etc.) to which his tendency to go the aerial route is not a high percentage choice. Typically every batsmen goes to crease with plans on how to play a certain bowler or field setting. Heck even at our [বাংলা]দুধভাত[/বাংলা] level here, when I go to bat, I tell myself "right ... if it is full on the off-side I'll drive it. If it's short and on mid I'll shuffle and play it off my legs .." etc. I suspect that Jamie has explained to Ash which of these plans are awry. Plus I suspect our hacks have probably mistranslated ...

RazabQ
February 12, 2008, 12:43 AM
Damn you Al - in the time I went to put my son to bed you posted the same thing!

kalpurush
February 12, 2008, 12:52 AM
Damn you Al - in the time I went to put my son to bed you posted the same thing!
[বাংলা]গাধা দলের বোকা "ফ্যান" আমরা!;)[/বাংলা]

BD-Shardul
February 12, 2008, 01:40 AM
[বাংলা]গাধা দলের বোকা "ফ্যান" আমরা!;)[/বাংলা]

Ditto.

mshakir56
February 12, 2008, 02:58 AM
Ash loves to make excuses for his and his teams failures. Now how long is he gono carry on giving excuses ? Till he retires? He is already 24 !

cricket_fanatic
February 12, 2008, 03:11 AM
The next thing Ashraful will find out from Siddons will probably be that he gets out playing the pull shot way too often!!!!!! Just goes to show how much our cricketers think about their game and hence the same iteration of mistakes like an infinite loop..... ( as in programming terminology ).

BD-Shardul
February 12, 2008, 04:17 AM
Ash loves to make excuses for his and his teams failures. Now how long is he gono carry on giving excuses ? Till he retires? He is already 24 !

No, till next captain takes charge of Bangladesh.

AsifTheManRahman
February 12, 2008, 10:04 AM
Nicely put, Al and Razab bhai.

Tigers_eye
February 12, 2008, 10:31 AM
2nd day game will be on after 2 days gap (on Thursday).
Source: http://www.shamokal.com/details.php?nid=88625 (Last Line)

Siddons might give some lessons on Day 1 game to the players today and tomorrow. Fantasy: Supply of chikon basher konchi is on the way towards Mirpur.
http://www.bangladesherkhela.info/index.php?newsID=4851&pageTitle=details&editionID=267
Here is a news says one day break only. Practice match resumes on Wednesday. But the real practice starts from the 14th when they get in to Hotel Sheraton??

My question is, is it mandatory for players to get in to the Hotel even on a home series? Why not leave an option for reimbursement? I know the team must be together but ... as long as they travel and stay together (in meetings, practices, video sessions and such) when necessary there should not be an issue at home.

akabir77
February 12, 2008, 10:31 AM
Guys, why are you taking a simple statement at such face value. I'm thinking that Siddons pulled a Moneyball and explained to Ashraful a specific set of deliveries (pace, bounce, width, etc.) to which his tendency to go the aerial route is not a high percentage choice. Typically every batsmen goes to crease with plans on how to play a certain bowler or field setting. Heck even at our [বাংলা]দুধভাত[/বাংলা] level here, when I go to bat, I tell myself "right ... if it is full on the off-side I'll drive it. If it's short and on mid I'll shuffle and play it off my legs .." etc. I suspect that Jamie has explained to Ash which of these plans are awry. Plus I suspect our hacks have probably mistranslated ...

Exactly.. in your dutt bhat level you have a plan. but our golden boys don't and they need a highly paid coach to show them that. with the amount of talnet they have with a good solid plan they should at least score 20/30 every match( their avg should be 25/30 at least) and more over its one thing to get out in first few over while trying to defend but its another thing to get out in first few over while trying hit out after hitting a 4 or 6. problem is there...

All i am saying players can have problems like some one mentioned shebhag but the difference is shebhag scores a lot more than ash and co meaning he knows his limitations and plays accordingly and our golden boys after 6/7 years of cricket in high level needs some one to baby feed them.

Dhakablues
February 12, 2008, 10:56 AM
I am a bit amazed that some players/fans are now blaming it on Whatmore for Ashraful/Aftab's miserable batting technique. I personally dont buy that story. Whatmore did uplift our game to this level,, he is the one who did sideline Aftab and asked him to improve his style before he gets his test series again. He did even bring in a batting coach, Owen Matau, to work on Bashar/Ashraful which did produce results later. Under his guidance Srilanka won the world cup and we did the best to date. There is no denial to his credits.

Jamie Siddons is coming from the Best of the Best team to the worst of the worst team. Literally. I think he is finding it difficult to adjust to the fact that so many of these national players having so many of these technical flaws. Well, Watmore was smart enough to play around the flaws whilst Siddons is trying to correct it. And I think Siddons probably needs to draw the line as to when he draws the line and focuses also on the stratetic element of the game. Spoon feeding our batsman wont work,, you cant teach an old dog new tricks. These technical flaws shouldve been corrected when they were in the Age group or A teams. As a national coach, he has to think about opposition players as well,, how to exploit their weaknesses. But the fact of the matter is,from the media we get the news that he is focusing on batting most of the time. I hope that he does spend significant amount of time strategizing how to get SA out early, do the SWOT for SA bowlers, plan for sessions etc.

Fazal
February 12, 2008, 11:18 AM
I am a bit amazed that some players/fans are now blaming it on Whatmore for Ashraful/Aftab's miserable batting technique. I personally dont buy that story. Whatmore did uplift our game to this level,, he is the one who did sideline Aftab and asked him to improve his style before he gets his test series again. He did even bring in a batting coach, Owen Matau, to work on Bashar/Ashraful which did produce results later. Under his guidance Srilanka won the world cup and we did the best to date. There is no denial to his credits.



Exactly ! This is going on for a while. Excuses after excuses. Its reporters fault, Fan's fault, Coach's (Watamore) fault, but never our favorite player's fault. Now we hear we are not supposed to take the face value of the news, I guess we need to be innovative and creative so that the fault doesn't touches our super star. Its everybody's fault, except our Chandu Mia, Super Star Players.

Just to point out ( in support what you said) is when nothing worked, Whatmore tried to bench Ash, but the strategy kind of failed as Ash scored a double century in local league and all Ash fans (inside and outside BCB) created a pressure that Selectors had to take him back at the last moment (even the team was already selected). Dav is the last person to be blamed for Ash's problem.

Rabz
February 12, 2008, 12:05 PM
My question is, is it mandatory for players to get in to the Hotel even on a home series? Why not leave an option for reimbursement? I know the team must be together but ... as long as they travel and stay together (in meetings, practices, video sessions and such) when necessary there should not be an issue at home.

I think should stay at the hotel.
They need to play as a unit, as a team.
But if you go home after a day's play, no chance to have team meetings, corrections/discussions of day's play etc etc.
Plus the mindset would be loose, more as an individual than a team.

Not everyone call's Dhaka home. Mash,Tamim, Aftabh hails from other cities.
where would they stay? in hotels ? you cant have half of the team staying in hotel and the other half going home.....

Plus consider team diet. Im hope the players have a prescribed diet during the matches, to keep with the fitness level.But if they go home, each have thier own daal bhat, murgi bhuna etc etc.... not really professional's diet.

Also keep in mind Dhaka's traffic situation. I wont be surprised if someone like Rafiq who lives on the other side of Buriganda, gets late to arrive in Mirpur.

Staying in the hotel is not a big deal, its still home ground, being in the same familiar environment.

But most importantly, for team's unity, they need to together.

Tigers_eye
February 12, 2008, 01:10 PM
Rabz,
I understand all that but my point was are these rules mandatory rules? Senior players have lot things to worry and take care of even on game days. And obviously team meetings are not done in hotel rooms. Being flexible is always good. If the rules strickly says no they can not, so be it. I also mentioned in my previous post that they need to travel together. That takes out the traffic part. If the bus departs from Sheraton at 7am players need to be there at 6:00am. Sleeping at the hotel is what I am getting at. Those are expensive rooms and players would get take advantage if given option.

As for diet, if the players themselves don't know by now which food they need to intake and which food not to then they need to re-evaluate their position as an athlete. Off season'a khaiye fhatai felbay emnitei.

auntu
February 12, 2008, 01:12 PM
hmm. batters r not spendin time in d middle. i think when they go out they think bout d whole match like its longer version all those stuff. that make them thinking its tuff. i think ball by ball and sesson by sesson is d key to success.

al Furqaan
February 12, 2008, 01:20 PM
Exactly ! This is going on for a while. Excuses after excuses. Its reporters fault, Fan's fault, Coach's (Watamore) fault, but never our favorite player's fault. Now we hear we are not supposed to take the face value of the news, I guess we need to be innovative and creative so that the fault doesn't touches our super star. Its everybody's fault, except our Chandu Mia, Super Star Players.

Just to point out ( in support what you said) is when nothing worked, Whatmore tried to bench Ash, but the strategy kind of failed as Ash scored a double century in local league and all Ash fans (inside and outside BCB) created a pressure that Selectors had to take him back at the last moment (even the team was already selected). Dav is the last person to be blamed for Ash's problem.

no one is denying the succes that came in the DW era. but that was all a product of his excellent motivation skills. he was a people person.

but HE DID NOT TAKE OUR TEAM AND TURN THEM INTO TECHNICALLY CORRECT PLAYERS. thats all we're saying.

Siddons has been around for 2 months and he has:

a) either figured something out which DW did not in 4 YEARS
or
b) said something in 2 months which DW didn't have enough time not to say in 4 YEARS - dreaming about coaching Indian academy team takes quite a lot of one's time.

DW was not a professional coach at all. Not once, but twice (2 effing times!!!! 2 more times than he SHOULD HAVE) he started disctracting team by taking about the India job. And then when the BCB happened to say something about it, he launched a libel suit. Other than the 30 or so matches won, Mohsin Kamal was even a more professional coach than Whatmore.

RazabQ
February 12, 2008, 01:21 PM
All I'm saying is that unless someone here as personally talked to Ashraful, we should assume that a guy who has, at times, scored big against top class attack has a little more idea about his game than "i play my drives in the air". Give the guy some credit! Read some of his interviews on how he plays Murali or how he knew when to pull Harmy or Flintoff. I'm not making excuses for his shoddy average. I'm just saying don't believe it is because of something as simple as "i didn't know mouth is for eating and other orifice for pooping!" (to make a crude analogy)

Rabz
February 12, 2008, 01:24 PM
T_E,
so, what do you suggest?
Half of the team stays at the hotel and the other half goes to thier respective home?
.....creating a "mental" division amongst the players....??

( not to insuniate any heated debate, but just want to know your opinion)

I dont think its mandatory, but more like customary, something every other team in possible every other sports follow.
And there must be a reason for it.

al Furqaan
February 12, 2008, 01:26 PM
Nicely put, Al and Razab bhai.


after nearly 7K posts, i've finally gotten a commendation from the BC post leader...about damn time! ;)

it appears as though many members here think our Daily Star journalists are regular Shakespeare's.

ever wonder why they work for the daily star and aren't writing best-selling novels, since they are so linguistically gifted?

Murad
February 12, 2008, 01:32 PM
it appears as though many members here think our Daily Star journalists are regular Shakespeare's.

ever wonder why they work for the daily star and aren't writing best-selling novels, since they are so linguistically gifted?

Bhaloi bolchen Asaad bhai.

The make a lot of mistakes in translations on what our players said. Actually most of the BD journalists do that.

We all know how Ash talks to media. He's mostly confused on what he say. He said it one way but our journalists wrote it other way.

And we fans are taking advantage of it and bashing Ash. Chance pailei hoise............

Sylhet
February 12, 2008, 01:47 PM
the SF series will not give any surprises, it will be the same as usual. Bangladesh playing well in patches and end up losing all the matches.

Amar bhobisho bani jeno bhul hoi

Fazal
February 12, 2008, 01:53 PM
al Furqaan, you are saying too many stuffs: some of them relevent to this thread discussion, some of them not. Lets try step by step....
no one is denying the succes that came in the DW era. but that was all a product of his excellent motivation skills. he was a people person.
but HE DID NOT TAKE OUR TEAM AND TURN THEM INTO TECHNICALLY CORRECT PLAYERS. thats all we're saying.

This thread is not about Dav, the coach's, performance evaluation (in general), its rather how much Dav is to be blamed for Ash's tachnical flaws and and not able to correct it (that few blamed). He did not turned into technically correct players, nor he is supposed to do much in the national level. There is so much a choach can do in the national level; when players don't learn from their mistakes and still get selected (for lack of enough qualified substitute players), there is not much Dav, or any coach, can do.

and btw writing in capiltal letter doen't make your pov more strong' its equivalent to shouting and kind of considered rude in lots of sites.


Siddons has been around for 2 months and he has:
a) either figured something out which DW did not in 4 YEARS
or
b) said something in 2 months which DW didn't have enough time not to say in 4 YEARS - dreaming about coaching Indian academy team takes quite a lot of one's time.
Siddons may found out a lot that Dav didn't, we don't know yet. But whatever we know (based on the news), i.e. whatever Siddon found out (that was quoted by Ash) was nothing new to be found out. It may be news to Ash, but it was nothing earth shattering to most of the fans here. So its hard to believe Dav didn't know that. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks, and thats what happened in my opinion. Now if Siddon Can teach the old dog few new tricks, salute to him. It more credit to Siddon than discredit to Dav. Its more discredit to the player, who doesn't learn from his mistakes. And thats the point here. However its to early to give credit to Siddon yet. Lets see if the old dog learn anything new or not.


DW was not a professional coach at all. Not once, but twice (2 effing times!!!! 2 more times than he SHOULD HAVE) he started disctracting team by taking about the India job. And then when the BCB happened to say something about it, he launched a libel suit. Other than the 30 or so matches won, Mohsin Kamal was even a more professional coach than Whatmore.
This is completely irrelevant stuff you are talking. It has nothing to do with this thread's discussion.

Fazal
February 12, 2008, 02:12 PM
Bhaloi bolchen Asaad bhai.

The make a lot of mistakes in translations on what our players said. Actually most of the BD journalists do that.

We all know how Ash talks to media. He's mostly confused on what he say. He said it one way but our journalists wrote it other way.


Good Logic. But your logic still ( i.e. Ash doen't know how to express) points to the fact that Ash is one of the culprit for this misinformation (if true).
Why? This is happening more than once, and therefore he should know by now, that if he is mis-quoted by a reporter or if he cannot express his thoughts properly he should keep his mouth shut (infront of the reporters) How hard is that?

btw I haven't seen anywhere that Ash protested that he is mis-quoted. So how can I give him the benefit of doubt?

Dawah
February 12, 2008, 02:15 PM
I would prefer Siddons for DW any day. Because of DW's short term goals to impress India in getting a job there, we are still in such poor state. DW should have been fired on the first day when he talked about his madness of getting a job in India.

Eshen
February 12, 2008, 02:22 PM
Our batsmen have become masters of making lame excuses, read yesterday's prothom-alo.

http://www.prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODMwMzA=&mid=OA==

Ash is just reflecting the team that he leads.

RazabQ
February 12, 2008, 02:25 PM
Ok gang. Ash has survived all this time in international cricket only because we Bangladeshis are sentimental fools with a penchant for masochism. All the runs he's scored in international cricket (including some amazing innings) were simply a case of [বাংলা]ঝরে বগ[/বাংলা]. There was no planning involved. None! No awareness of his limitations, no thinking whatsoever. Heck he probably always closes his eyes as soon as bat make contact with the ball. There, that would explain perfectly why he wouldn't know that he "drives in the air"!!!

Fazal
February 12, 2008, 02:35 PM
There is two sides of the coin. Not one side, but both side makes it a complete coin.

On one side: he is the one of the few play maker that we have who can single handely win us a game.

And the other side of the coin? 40 Test played. Average 25.13. 107 ODI played. Average 22.15


Thats why we are stuck with Ash. Its a catch 20-20. We cannot drop him. But if we keep him, he gives heartburns.

akabir77
February 12, 2008, 02:48 PM
btw I haven't seen anywhere that Ash protested that he is mis-quoted. So how can I give him the benefit of doubt?

Mamu now the Ash supporters will say our goody boy can't read English so he didn't knew that he was mis quoted and when some one translated the sentence to him it was read to him exactly the way he said ("EKHANEY likheychey je apni drive korar shomai beshi uppishly kheleen...")... so hence he didn't protested...

RazabQ
February 12, 2008, 02:51 PM
Fazal, of course that boy defines the word enigma. My gripe is that we are so ready to assume the worst without stopping to think "does it make sense?". We are so eager to believe that the reason this guy fails is because he's so dumb he doesn't know the obvious. It's not that simple man. It can't be given the evidence in front of us.

I might go to bat with a plan but if I was able to stick to it ball by ball, I wouldn't be batting at #7!!! And all I face are weekend trundlers!!!!

Eshen
February 12, 2008, 03:16 PM
I don't see why it should come as a surprise to anyone that most of our batsmen lack common cricketing sense. Whatmore mentioned many times how frustrating it was for him to deal with this aspect of our batsmen.

Once again, read the prothom-alo report. If those guys are really thinking Saffers are going to roll over and die because of low-slow pitches, they (our players) are just going to make fools out of themselves (again).

Dhakablues
February 12, 2008, 03:21 PM
So now that Ashraful had his epiphany from Siddon-o-micin,, he will be scoring tons of runs, get his average to 40 + as he always wanted,.lead the team from front,,

Now that Aftab has been tamed by Siddon-o-cetamol, he will be the most devastating player of all, bull dozing every opponent, becoming a nightmare to Bret Lee, Murli and Sidebottom...

Ahh,, I guess its the Fagun that's making me dreamy,,

SS
February 12, 2008, 03:28 PM
Camp er thik nai abar news thread...102 post already.
I think we are overusing the word 'Tigers' ...the name really doesn't suit our boys

Tigers_eye
February 12, 2008, 03:57 PM
Eshen you just rock. That prothom Alo article is a gem.


Ash: We played without any pressure. But it is hard to play shots in this wicket. (Against SA in the real match he thinks) Their balls will rise.


Rajin: In this wicket if one tries then one can stick around but runs would not come. Still in 90 overs 200-250 runs should have been scored.


HB: Batsmen are having hard time to adjust in this wicket (I can picture him muchki smiling). The ball stays low but there wouldn't be any problem against SA. In this wicket their balls will come in to the bat. (hmm!! I wonder why? They wouldn't do their homework may be? SA players are bad students, I conclude.) He adds: Instead of scoring we wanted to stay at the crease more. I don't think there is anything to worry about. Woohoo!!!


Prothom Alo Journalist: Bangladeshi bowlers are unplayable in Sher'e Bangla wickets. SA bowlers would be playable. We are going to win all the matches against SA at Sher'e Bangla pitches. :floor::floor::floor:

The green comments are mine.

al Furqaan
February 12, 2008, 04:05 PM
al Furqaan, you are saying too many stuffs: some of them relevent to this thread discussion, some of them not. Lets try step by step....


This thread is not about Dav, the coach's, performance evaluation (in general), its rather how much Dav is to be blamed for Ash's tachnical flaws and and not able to correct it (that few blamed). He did not turned into technically correct players, nor he is supposed to do much in the national level. There is so much a choach can do in the national level; when players don't learn from their mistakes and still get selected (for lack of enough qualified substitute players), there is not much Dav, or any coach, can do.

and btw writing in capiltal letter doen't make your pov more strong' its equivalent to shouting and kind of considered rude in lots of sites.


Siddons may found out a lot that Dav didn't, we don't know yet. But whatever we know (based on the news), i.e. whatever Siddon found out (that was quoted by Ash) was nothing new to be found out. It may be news to Ash, but it was nothing earth shattering to most of the fans here. So its hard to believe Dav didn't know that. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks, and thats what happened in my opinion. Now if Siddon Can teach the old dog few new tricks, salute to him. It more credit to Siddon than discredit to Dav. Its more discredit to the player, who doesn't learn from his mistakes. And thats the point here. However its to early to give credit to Siddon yet. Lets see if the old dog learn anything new or not.


This is completely irrelevant stuff you are talking. It has nothing to do with this thread's discussion.

a rhetorical question: if we know everything (or at least more about cricket than ash and gang knows) why is that we aren't getting the test caps? afterall, you and i both know that driving along the ground is the whole point of the drive shot. so how come we're not on the team?

saying that ashraful (the guy who says you shouldn't cut murali's off breaks but cut his doosras) doesn't know to play along the ground is as ridiculous as saying your algebra teacher doesn't know how to do long division.

everyone knows to bowl good line and length, yet mcgrath is special.

Fazal
February 12, 2008, 04:24 PM
a rhetorical question: if we know everything (or at least more about cricket than ash and gang knows) why is that we aren't getting the test caps? afterall, you and i both know that driving along the ground is the whole point of the drive shot. so how come we're not on the team?

Beacuse Ash has more talent than anyone of us can even imagine. Plus Ash is commited to this profession, whereas we didn't (for one reason or another).

You may see a great coach was NOT necessarily was a great player of his time or a great player usually end up not being a great coach.

Just because a player is born with lots of god gifted talent does not mean its automatic he is the smart one.

These are all true not only for cricket, but basically any sports. And you have plenty of examples about that.


saying that ashraful (the guy who says you shouldn't cut murali's off breaks but cut his doosras) doesn't know to play along the ground is as ridiculous as saying your algebra teacher doesn't know how to do long division.

everyone knows to bowl good line and length, yet mcgrath is special.

Soory failed to understand what's your point.

cricman
February 12, 2008, 04:30 PM
You guys are making such a big fuss over Practice!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=frsId3goYYE

akabir77
February 12, 2008, 04:53 PM
You guys are making such a big fuss over Practice!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=frsId3goYYE

and who the hell is he? look at the comments and you will see what people r thinking about this fool. hope ash and co doesn't follow him...

sadi
February 12, 2008, 05:04 PM
Lol... nice to see this clip again. I love AI.

Ishtylish cricketer
February 12, 2008, 07:30 PM
Ian Chappell once said that if you want to make a century you will have to play at least 50 scoring shots, mostly singles, few 2s and 3s and if you get lucky 4s and 6s. If you look at any of our batsman they seem to operate under 2 modes: slogging(aggressive hitting) or blocking. No one thinks of getting single every ball yet that's the key to making a big score for yourself and the team. Single allows rotation of strike which is crucial against good bowlers or else the bowlers will figure out how to get you out. As a batsman you get way more singles than 4s and 6s yet our batsmen don't pay attention to that. I don't think we will compete for more than a day or two in tests but in ODIs we should at least get 250 every game. SA's bowling attack is hardly frightening. Pollock's done, Ntini's not penetrative anymore, Kallis hardly bowls full 10, and have no spinner. They will probably play Dale Styne and Mokel but I remember that match against SL in a very slow pitch when all the SA bowlers went for plenty in the record breaking partnership between Sangakkara and Jayawardene. If the curators make a slow pitch, we have a 40-60 chance of winning. Given that there are 20 overs of powerplay, we should be able to get around 170-175 runs in first 40 overs and in the last 10, 75-80 runs should be expected which would give a fighting total of 250 in Bd pitches. If opening bowlers keep it tight our chances would increase. Rasel must play for us to have a shot.

al Furqaan
February 12, 2008, 07:42 PM
Soory failed to understand what's your point.the point was that if it is indeed the case that ashraful really doesn't know that he plays uppishly whilst driving, then his stupidity is basically ad infinitum. if one is so dense as to not know that, what else does he not know?

perhaps he also doesn't know that the objective of playing cricket is to win matches. maybe thats why we're losing all the time. perhaps he thinks that bowlers job is try to hit little ants on the pitch with the ball. perhaps he doesn't know that spinners generally have less pace than express bowlers. perhaps he doesn't know that scoring runs consistenly is the mark of a good batsman. perhaps he thinks scoring ducks is a prestigious thing. perhaps he doesn't know that his father is his male parent. perhaps he isn't yet aware of the fact that his name is "ashraful" and he should start playing to the talent that that guy has. maybe our next coach will be good enough to point out that he indeed is wearing ashraful's # 98 shirt during ODIs. and the coach after that will have the Whatmore-like insight to tell him "geez, dude, you aren't just wearing that shirt by random chance, you are ashraful!"

Ishtylish cricketer
February 12, 2008, 07:42 PM
You guys are making such a big fuss over Practice!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=frsId3goYYE

Haha. Classic stuff from AI. I like the part when one of the reporters tried to explain him that him being there in the practice would make his teammates better.

BD Tigers
February 12, 2008, 07:52 PM
All Ash needs to understand that is this. "The best way to play the game (in batting) is from the non-strickers end". When he understands that...God saves the other team :D

BD-Shardul
February 13, 2008, 01:39 AM
All Ash needs to understand that is this. "The best way to play the game (in batting) is from the non-strickers end". When he understands that...God saves the other team :D

Why play then? :sick: :lol:

cricman
February 13, 2008, 02:16 AM
delete

AsifTheManRahman
February 13, 2008, 02:43 AM
I thought Al was speaking in support of Ash, not against him. Read his other posts. This one was contextual , with a pretty heavy dose of sarcasm.:)

RazabQ
February 13, 2008, 02:50 AM
cricman, u got the wrong guy. Al & I are the ones who've been flabbergasted by the willingness to assume the worst/simplest by some fans.

cricman
February 13, 2008, 03:39 AM
ok than I edit my post and delete it, my mistake... got all rant up for nothing

al-Sagar
February 13, 2008, 04:50 AM
so isnt it tomorrow when we will have the 2nd day of the LAL-SOBUJ team game ????

it will be interesting how mashrafe is asked to bat.

Fazal
February 13, 2008, 12:03 PM
the point was that if it is indeed the case that ashraful really doesn't know that he plays uppishly whilst driving, then his stupidity is basically ad infinitum. if one is so dense as to not know that, what else does he not know?

perhaps he also doesn't know that the objective of playing cricket is to win matches. maybe thats why we're losing all the time. perhaps he thinks that bowlers job is try to hit little ants on the pitch with the ball. perhaps he doesn't know that spinners generally have less pace than express bowlers. perhaps he doesn't know that scoring runs consistenly is the mark of a good batsman. perhaps he thinks scoring ducks is a prestigious thing. perhaps he doesn't know that his father is his male parent. perhaps he isn't yet aware of the fact that his name is "ashraful" and he should start playing to the talent that that guy has. maybe our next coach will be good enough to point out that he indeed is wearing ashraful's # 98 shirt during ODIs. and the coach after that will have the Whatmore-like insight to tell him "geez, dude, you aren't just wearing that shirt by random chance, you are ashraful!"

And the point is?

yes... there is so many iffs and butts in your fantasy dream, that it hardly makes sense what you are saying.

We are not talking about iffs and butts but rather based on a specific news and a specific quote from Ash in the news.

Tigers_eye
February 13, 2008, 12:54 PM
Dhurr agun nibhey nibhey jachhey kano? Ei laow, karoshin niya aisi.

http://www.bangladesherkhela.info/index.php?newsID=4876&pageTitle=details&editionID=268
Ash is pissed. Ash predicts at least a century and some in the 4 innings of test from his bat. He played well in NZ, umpires killed him (his highest score was 28). Minimum one win in ODIs. (So he wants to perform four times better than NZ series.)

He also demands BCB create pitches that would help him and his players and not help SA. (Now this is something I can not comprehend at all. I am mere mortal. How is this possible?)

The red comments are mine. The black ones are summarized.

Tigers_eye
February 13, 2008, 01:18 PM
And some news: (wednesday practice 4 hours of continuous practice)
Important ones I must say:
http://www.bangladesherkhela.info/index.php?newsID=4882&pageTitle=details&editionID=268
Practice was out of the ordinary. All players (I think more than 11) were set within 16 yards and mostly spinners bowled through out. Rafiq was given the most overs. Heavy dossage of 'Rafiq spin' batsmen had to play. That is why there were that low scoring of runs. Now things are getting clearer.

After the practice sessions the players hit the Gym for another hour or so.

J Siddons: Bangladesh will score good in this home series. Batsmen will get back in to runs. Against SA they will play different. Those who are off-form they will score also.

He adds: If the batsmen can get set then runs will come naturally. The wicket will help the spinners so we had to see how the players play the spin. That's why the pacers did not get that much chance.

S Nafees: I thought the practice was very helpful. It was getting hard to get set at the wickets. One must change their mental approach to play a big test innings. And this different type of practice is helping me solve that problem. Will try my best to play a big innings. (If I get selected will try to play my best)

One of the Selector: Final 11 has not been selected yet. In the first test the seasoned ones would get the nod. But after tomorrow's practice one can get a better picture on who would make it.

Dhakablues
February 13, 2008, 01:25 PM
All the talks,,, Lets see how the actually perform on the feild, Ashraful has become a true Bangali Political captain, constantly promising and failing, has no remorse that he fails ( he finds positives in his failures all the time) but without him, we have no other alternatives either,,,

Tigers_eye
February 13, 2008, 01:38 PM
More Siddons news:
Bangladesh coach Jamie Siddons however believed that South Africa has depth in their batting to cope up with any situation.

"The wicket is slow and low in Mirpur and it will help our spinners. But what I think is that they have some good batsmen in the team who are capable of playing in any kind of surface," said Siddons.

The Australian said this yesterday while talking with the reporters during practice at Mirpur. He is looking forward to see some improvement from his charges after a poor showing in his first assignment in New Zealand.

"The batsmen are looking good in practice and they are working hard. I definitely want some improvement in their performance. One can't expect massive changes overnight but it's important to see some improvement after this kind of practice," he said.

Siddons also talked about Cricket Australia's decision not to give Bangladesh any Test matches during the visit in August-September this year.

"I don't think there is any reason to be upset with the decision. It's important to play top teams like Australia but my personal opinion is to play more matches against the low-ranked sides. More you lose badly, more you lose confidence," he opined adding that it would be better for his side to play more four-day games.

In reply to a question he said that they could understand the exact position of injured opener Tamim Iqbal, who is likely to go for batting today after a long break. The uncertainty over Tamim, who injured his thumb during the second Test in New Zealand, held back the final selection of the team for the first Test.

The 13-member squad will not announced before February 18, according to chief selector Rafiqul Alam.
http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=23276

zainab
February 13, 2008, 06:24 PM
Tamim , with an injured thumb should not play in the first Test. Bowlers will know this and try to target his thumb.

Dhakablues
February 13, 2008, 07:03 PM
Without Tamim,, I wonder how the team formation will be,, Is Nafees getting his lifeline? Or is it going to be Rajin? Surely Bashar is not going to open despite him opening during the practice matches

Gowza
February 13, 2008, 07:07 PM
i'm sure if the selectors wanted to they could bring in a replacement for tamim into the squad so if tamim can't play it could be someone like imrul, but i'd say they would just open with nafees rather than bringing in someone new. but isn't nazimuddin in the squad as well? even though he's not a specialist opener they liked him opening in the t20 world cup so i guess he might even be considered but nafees would be the best option imo.

nsd3
February 13, 2008, 08:05 PM
Who would fill up the pace dept on the spin friendly pitch? Would Rassel be given a chance ahead of proven (NZ pitch) Rajib? 2 pacers might include Mash & Rajib/Rasel. 2 spinners would include Rafiq n Razzak/Enamul. Mushfiq is the wk. The rest six would include part time spinners in the form of Ashraful, Shakib/Rajin.

So the team could be:
Zunaed, SN, Bashar, Ashraful, Aftab, Rajin/Shakib, Mushfiq, Mashrafi, Rafiq, Rajib/Rasel, Enamul/ Razzak.

Ajfar
February 13, 2008, 09:28 PM
Dhurr agun nibhey nibhey jachhey kano? Ei laow, karoshin niya aisi.

http://www.bangladesherkhela.info/index.php?newsID=4876&pageTitle=details&editionID=268
Ash is pissed. Ash predicts at least a century and some in the 4 innings of test from his bat. He played well in NZ, umpires killed him (his highest score was 28). Minimum one win in ODIs. (So he wants to perform four times better than NZ series.)

He also demands BCB create pitches that would help him and his players and not help SA. (Now this is something I can not comprehend at all. I am mere mortal. How is this possible?)

The red comments are mine. The black ones are summarized.

i just hope ash knws wat he is talking abtt..cause i remember last timee..before the 3rd odi against NZ he demanded a better performance..n we all knw wat happened.d...

AsifTheManRahman
February 13, 2008, 09:37 PM
He also demands BCB create pitches that would help him and his players and not help SA. (Now this is something I can not comprehend at all. I am mere mortal. How is this possible?)


Well, he probably wants the pitches stripped of even the slightest hint of grass and the surface made so that it forms cracks near the last couple of days of the test.

Ball stays slow and low, our batsmen get on to the front foot to play their drives, and then our spinners cause havoc if the game goes into the fourth/fifth days.

nzfan
February 13, 2008, 09:42 PM
Every other country develops pitches to suit themselves, why not Bangladesh?

Eshen
February 13, 2008, 10:15 PM
The sort of pitches they are making, I am afraid we won't be able get Saffers all out even one innings per test match. You want to make low-slow pitches when you have spinners who are wicket takers. Unfortunately, our SLAs are mainly containment bowlers - great options for ODIs, but not so great for test matches.

Reading today's prothom-alo, seems like Mashrafe already given up hope that he will be able to do much (in terms of wicket taking) during the test series.

http://www.prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODM0NTE=&mid=OA==

If we can't get Saffers all out within reasonable scores, we will keep losing test matches by innings, within four days or within three days.

al Furqaan
February 13, 2008, 11:28 PM
The sort of pitches they are making, I am afraid we won't be able get Saffers all out even one innings per test match. You want to make low-slow pitches when you have spinners who are wicket takers. Unfortunately, our SLAs are mainly containment bowlers - great options for ODIs, but not so great for test matches.

Reading today's prothom-alo, seems like Mashrafe already given up hope that he will be able to do much (in terms of wicket taking) during the test series.

http://www.prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODM0NTE=&mid=OA==

If we can't get Saffers all out within reasonable scores, we will keep losing test matches by innings, within four days or within three days.

on the right sort of wicket enam might be a force to reckon with, and lets not forget that rafique has some good figures against some very good teams without 2 crucial helps (3 during bashar's reign of terror) batsman setting defensible totals and good bowler from the other end (and bashar's piss poor captaincy).

mshakir56
February 14, 2008, 02:08 AM
Well Ashraful is now the Cricket Politician of Bangladesh ! and he has Jamie Siddons as his deputy, who is learning the dirty politics every day 1

al-Sagar
February 14, 2008, 02:46 AM
1 week left for the start.

well some players wont have that one week. those who will play in the warmup match

MohammedC
February 14, 2008, 05:07 AM
http://bangladesherkhela.info/adminpanel/pictures/1202914363.jpg

I hope the boys dont drop any catches when it matters

zainab
February 14, 2008, 07:59 AM
I also hope that their fielding has improved. IMO, Tamim and Aftab are the two best fielders in this squad, but I hope that Siddons is trying to train 3 good slip fielders also. I have seen them drop catches in this area

Tigers_eye
February 14, 2008, 10:33 AM
Well, he probably wants the pitches stripped of even the slightest hint of grass and the surface made so that it forms cracks near the last couple of days of the test.

Ball stays slow and low, our batsmen get on to the front foot to play their drives, and then our spinners cause havoc if the game goes into the fourth/fifth days.
lol, 2 points:
1) If our players can play in on to the front foot, what makes theirs' not be able to play similarly?

2) If our spinners can cause a havoc why can't theirs?

How can a pitch favor BD batsmen and not favor SA batsmen? Or favor BD spinners and not favor SA spinners?

That is what I don't understand in his statement.

Tigers_eye
February 14, 2008, 10:38 AM
Well Red team was always better we knew that:

They scored 273/7.
80 runs opening stand of Zunaid-Nafees. Nafees out at 41 to Forhad Reza. Zunaid departs when team was 102. He scored 41(106) and Rafiq gets him. Then Shakib took over. 84 runs and got RUNOUT ????? Tamim came in to bat at #7. scored 40 (57) notout.

Bashar'rey bosha!!
http://www.bangladesherkhela.info/index.php?newsID=4905&pageTitle=details&editionID=269

sadi
February 14, 2008, 10:41 AM
Good to see Tamim back in action.

zainab
February 14, 2008, 10:56 AM
Wow! great to see Tamim back, maybe, there is a chance that he may be ready for the the first Test in one week's time, but they announce that they will pick the squad on the 18th.

Game On
February 14, 2008, 12:49 PM
We need to prepare the batting pitch . So , atleast we can draw the match at the end ;

Mohiul
February 14, 2008, 01:10 PM
at last they are able to cross 250 in the practice match. Good but they gotta do better than this

Murad
February 14, 2008, 01:13 PM
First bat for Tamim since NZ

Coach Jamie Siddons should be a relieved man to see his batsmen score runs during the practice match yesterday and the most encouraging fact was that left-handed opener Tamim Iqbal returned to action after a long break.

Tamim batted for the first time since an injury to his left thumb during the second Test match in New Zealand and the batsman was confident that he will be fully fit before the first Test against South Africa starting at Mirpur from February 22.

"I was in the middle for almost 25 overs and felt comfortable while batting although only slow bowlers bowled at me. I will bat against the pace bowlers tomorrow (Friday)," said Tamim, who struck an unbeaten 42 off 57 balls with the help of seven boundaries.

The young left-hander, who impressed everyone on his debut Test in New Zealand, is likely to play the three-day warm-up game against the visitors to be held at the Fatullah Cricket Stadium from February 17.

National team physio Darryl Lifson also expressed his optimism over the full fitness of the opener before the start of the series.

"Tamim was seen specially today (Thursday) and undergone an X-ray. He batted mostly against the slow bowlers in training but on Friday he will bat against the quick bowlers and then we will have full idea about his condition," informed Lifson.

Meanwhile, almost all the batsmen got runs in the practice to score 273-7 in 90 overs. Shakib Al Hasan top-scored with 94 while Shahriar Nafees made 41 and Zunaed Siddiqui 41.

Daily Star (http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=23412)


This report saying Tamim will play in the Warm-Up game. Now the question is who will he replace in that game? SN? or JS?

Eshen
February 14, 2008, 01:28 PM
This report saying Tamim will play in the Warm-Up game. Now the question is who will he replace in that game? SN? or JS?
How about Bashar ? I don't see the point of picking him for a practice match.

Since Tamim is little bit out of touch now, I would send him to bat at #3, letting ZS-SN to open.

Tigers_eye
February 14, 2008, 01:33 PM
he shouldn't replace any batters. Only warmup match for SA. So I think there will be 13 on 13 and only 11 batting. Ekta bowler bat na korley kisu hobay na.

Rabz
February 14, 2008, 01:55 PM
Its really good to see the Batsmen are getting some much needed runs.

Certainly a good sign before the series begins.

RazabQ
February 14, 2008, 03:18 PM
hmm all lefties scoring run against all slas? makes sense - the big threat of the going away delivery is neutralized when it's southpaw vs southapw

tonoy
February 14, 2008, 03:52 PM
wohoo SN and Sakib making progress.

Murad
February 14, 2008, 04:09 PM
Tonoy, What happened to you?
How come you changed your favorite player? I thought you are a diehard fan of Shahriar Nafees..
too bad..

Murad
February 14, 2008, 04:17 PM
How about Bashar ? I don't see the point of picking him for a practice match.

Since Tamim is little bit out of touch now, I would send him to bat at #3, letting ZS-SN to open.

We need Bashar to play in the warm up game. He's not in form. He needs to make some runs in that match and get some confidence as he will play in the Test matches.

Mohiul
February 14, 2008, 04:36 PM
We need Bashar to play in the warm up game. He's not in form. He needs to make some runs in that match and get some confidence as he will play in the Test matches.

There is a lil bit doubt about Haba's participation in the practice match against SA due to a minor finger injury.

source (http://www.prothom-alo.com/mcat.news.details.php?nid=ODM2Mzg=&mid=OA==)

PeaceTrain
February 14, 2008, 08:55 PM
Although, I'm very new to cricket but I think I have become a fan of cricket and Bangladesh.

Wish the young Bangladesh team all the best!

Kabir
February 14, 2008, 11:55 PM
PeaceTrain, just out of curiosity. What's your origin?

One World
February 15, 2008, 12:07 AM
RazabQ, hit the nail. I want ASH, TAMIM and ZUNAID to prove that Steyn is ineffective in sub-continent. Bring hope for India.

wiseshah
February 15, 2008, 01:33 AM
great to see our batsmen are getting some runs. here is my team

junaed
tamim
nafees
sakib
ashraful
rajin
mushfiq
rafiq
mashrafe
shahadat
enamul

Tigers_eye
February 15, 2008, 12:01 PM
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mshakir56
February 15, 2008, 12:40 PM
Where is the South African team training?

Beamer
February 15, 2008, 12:41 PM
South African ra ki khai bhai? shob gula palowan..

Beamer
February 15, 2008, 12:42 PM
That man in the batting cage looks like Kallis.

FagunerAgun
February 15, 2008, 12:49 PM
Its really good to see the Batsmen are getting some much needed runs.

Certainly a good sign before the series begins.
Hopefully this will stay through out the SA series.

nsd3
February 16, 2008, 07:49 AM
Practice finished on Sat after drills at the net and field from 9 am to 12 pm. Final team announcement has been deferred as it'll get finalised after looking at practice match performances.

http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/index.php?newsID=4935&pageTitle=details&editionID=271

zainab
February 16, 2008, 07:56 AM
[QUOTE=nsd3;620885]Practice finished on Sat after drills at the net and field from 9 am to 12 pm. Final team announcement has been deferred as it'll get finalised after looking at practice match performance.


Does this mean that there will be no more practise sessions with Siddons? The Test match does not start until th 22nd.
The players who are not playing in the practice match should still be practicing in my opinion.

nsd3
February 16, 2008, 07:34 PM
[quote=nsd3;620885]Practice finished on Sat after drills at the net and field from 9 am to 12 pm. Final team announcement has been deferred as it'll get finalised after looking at practice match performance.


Does this mean that there will be no more practise sessions with Siddons? The Test match does not start until th 22nd.
The players who are not playing in the practice match should still be practicing in my opinion.

I think they will catch up again with the final Team at the end of the 3 day warm up match after 19th. I believe there will be a final session between the coach and the final squad on the 20th & 21st.

tiger_omar
February 17, 2008, 02:16 AM
South African ra ki khai bhai? shob gula palowan..

Thigi Bolchen... Oder coach ar management er manush ra o palowan.

kalpurush
February 17, 2008, 02:33 AM
Thigi Bolchen... Oder coach ar management er manush ra o palowan.
[বাংলা]আমার কাছে তো কসাই মনে হয় ওদের!;)[/বাংলা]

Murad
March 6, 2008, 01:43 AM
http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/adminpanel/pictures/1204719160.jpg
Siddons giving Ashraful some batting TIPS.

http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/adminpanel/pictures/1204719140.jpg


Shahadat mone hoi Army training niteche.. Left right left right. haha

Murad
March 6, 2008, 01:51 AM
http://www.tigercricket.com/pgallery/Ash_6308.jpg
Tamim Iqbal helps out Mohammad Ashraful as Tigers coach Jamie Siddons (L) watches during a training session at Bir Shrestha Shahid Ruhul Amin Stadium in Chittagong today (Wednesday) morning. ©TigerCricket.com
<TABLE class=tablestyle id=Table1 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=490 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="HEIGHT: 17px" align=left>http://www.tigercricket.com/pgallery/Mash2_6308.jpg</TD></TR><TR><TD style="HEIGHT: 17px" align=left>Mashrafe Bin Mortaza batting in the nets. ©TigerCricket.com</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE class=tablestyle id=Table1 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=490 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="HEIGHT: 17px" align=left>http://www.tigercricket.com/pgallery/Mash1_6308.jpg</TD></TR><TR><TD style="HEIGHT: 17px" align=left>GOT TO HIT THE BULLS EYE! Mashrafe Bin Mortaza going through some fielding drills during today's practice. ©TigerCricket.com</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

kalpurush
March 6, 2008, 01:54 AM
Nafees seems lost some few pounds...
No wonder why he got his form back!

Murad
March 6, 2008, 01:56 AM
Ommma.. Tamim er o dekhi bhuri ber hoitese...:-p

His brother has it. His uncle(Akram) has it. I guess its a family thing. But he's only 18/19. He should do some work-out.

Murad
March 6, 2008, 01:59 AM
Nafees seems lost some few pounds...
No wonder why he got his form back!

Yeah Thats true.

Koidin kheye ekdom bakka bakka hoye gesilo but ekhon onekta thik hoye gese..

hope shei aro komai and valo batting kore...

mshakir56
March 6, 2008, 03:53 AM
Nafees should come down and bat at #3 position in ODI !

BANFAN
March 6, 2008, 04:25 AM
Yeah Thats true.

Koidin kheye ekdom bakka bakka hoye gesilo but ekhon onekta thik hoye gese..

hope shei aro komai and valo batting kore...

Bhai ei, 'bakka bakka' ta ki jinish, explain korben pl ? :-D

auntu
March 6, 2008, 05:05 AM
look at mash batting where his feet is even against net bowlers

nsd3
March 6, 2008, 06:49 AM
look at mash batting where his feet is even against net bowlers
I guess Siddons is focused with specialist batsmen for batting - giving Mashrafi a free ride with the bat.

Murad
March 6, 2008, 12:12 PM
http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/adminpanel/pictures/1204815501.jpg
http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/adminpanel/pictures/1204815490.jpg
http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/adminpanel/pictures/1204815413.jpg

detroitpagla
March 6, 2008, 12:31 PM
I hope Tamim can hit few sixes during the actual match...
I dont know why we're playing two of the openers in the practice match? Are they (management) planning to pick one of them for the ODI series (Tamim or Junaid) depending on how they perform during the practice match?

Tigers_eye
March 6, 2008, 01:12 PM
...I dont know why we're playing two of the openers in the practice match? Are they (management) planning to pick one of them for the ODI series (Tamim or Junaid) depending on how they perform during the practice match?
No, these 19/20 year olds need as much practice as they can get against the formidable bowling lineup.

Murad
March 6, 2008, 01:15 PM
http://www.thedailystar.net/photos/2008-03-07__sp01.jpg

Nazim > Dhiman > Rubel > Raqibul

tiger_omar
March 6, 2008, 02:03 PM
Ommma.. Tamim er o dekhi bhuri ber hoitese...:-p

His brother has it. His uncle(Akram) has it. I guess its a family thing. But he's only 18/19. He should do some work-out.

Looks like almost every bangladeshi player, after they have one or two good series or matches, they start to add on some weight.

I think this happened to Mash, to Nafees (not anymore though), even Aftab had a gut at one point, and now Tamim (it's not a complete gut yet, but its developing).

Maybe our players get too comfortable after a few good performances and they don't work as hard after.