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sharifk
February 20, 2008, 03:32 PM
I won’t get into such debate as to whether a Twenty20 form of cricket is a real cricket or not, but if the format isn’t managed correctly, I surely can see the threats this format poses to Tests and especially to ODI format to its existent. I believe that the true sport fans who enjoy all kind of sports always have space in their heart to accept anything sporty comes to the way, so to us true sport fans, all formats of cricket, including Twenty20, Test and ODI, can exist together only if the evil of the cricket finance isn’t allowed to milk from all cash-cows to a single format.

I am one of those who believe professional cricketers are underpaid compare to other professionals of major sports. However, over the years the ICC has created an environment for international cricket that international players of full member countries have now started to earn decently without a great deal of disparity among them. It will be a good thing to allow any growth within the same framework. If we are to get out of this framework, and support a domestic league that in turn attracts players with more money in a way that a player can make so much in a few weeks that they cannot earn in years playing international cricket, it surely can create a bad case for international cricket.

Also since a domestic league can only support a limited number of players, an overly paid such league can only create great disparity by creating unnecessary elites among the elites without considering any qualitative indifference. I am not talking against capitalism or routing for socialism or something else, but all or majority of the money going to the pockets of a few so called elites can be very harmful for sustaining and growing cricket world wide. Even if you like sweeten tea, you surely wouldn’t want too much sugar that can make it bitter. That’s exactly the case that will happen to international cricket if a domestic cricket takes precedence over an international event in cricketers mind. I am not against any domestic league, and I believe healthy domestic leagues are critical to developing good international players, and we must support domestic leagues everywhere possible. But we must not allow any domestic league to supersede international cricket.

Financial opportunities that Twenty20 can offer for its advantages due to duration need to be analyzed and taken advantage of, nonetheless. And for the solution, we must look within the framework of the international cricket. Only a superior international league can counter any ill aimed domestic league that threatens the international games of cricket. Why can’t we ask ICC to arrange a yearly Twenty20 international professional league, in which major cities of the full member countries can participate? We can set aside two months in a year for this league whereas Tests and ODI can be played the remaining 10 months. This way, we can enjoy all versions of the game. It’s a good thing that the ICC hasn’t reserved any window for any domestic league yet:

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ipl/content/current/story/338081.html

If the reservation was made for any domestic league, it would have been difficult to change it for an international league. Now we have the opportunity to lobby and create a case for reserving a window for Twenty20 international league.

Is an international Twenty20 league feasible? I think it is because I believe there are huge opportunities in big cities of all member countries. And of course since it’s Twenty20, anyone (international cricketer of course) can play competitively. We must take the case to the countries who are thinking the same way. For example, no English player has yet signed for that big domestic Twenty20 that everyone is talking about:

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/338050.html

If other nations weren’t concerned about the issue, ICC would have acted differently. There has already been a discussion about creating a league between three so called elite countries. But we must move and create a case for everyone before the so called elites win their cases and add more messes to the existing ones.

For BD, the case is very simple, but we must plan and believe that we can easily fit into a big international Twenty20 league because our players are surely good fit for Twenty20. And we have a large population base and big cricket events surely can attract big audience since cricket is very popular in BD. At a minimum, Dhaka and Chittagong can financially support two teams in such a league.

It may not be a unique idea and there may be others who have expressed the same need as well. But I am still creating a thread for this here since I know many, possibly including BCB members and members from other forums, visit this forum. Time hasn’t run out yet, but it will unless we make enough noise and demand for an international Twenty20 league. We must take the case to everyone. And if BCB can’t take a lead in this regard, we as fans must insist on BCB at a minimum to support others who may be coming up with similar ideas. Instead of drumbeating for another domestic league which may or may not have one or more of our players, BCB must plan to ensure that we participate in enough tournaments and that our players earn decent and competitive salary by playing for and representing our cities and nation.

Tigers_eye
February 20, 2008, 03:43 PM
If you are a true cricket fan, if you are a true Bangladeshi cricket fan, you would not want our boys to adapt jodi laigga jai strategy every time they go to middle. T20 will not only make them do that but engrave that method in their brain like Aftab did. he use have so much patience when he started at 5/6 down for BD. Then DW promoted him to take advantage of powerplay to #3. All learning went out the window. That is just one example.

With T20 being a regular thing, Imrul-sadat-nazimuddin all will be Aftab 2.0 or 2.5. Whereas, I want them to become at least Attapatu .5

Murad
February 20, 2008, 03:47 PM
I agree with you TE bhai.

T20 cricket will ruin our cricketers.

sharifk
February 20, 2008, 03:54 PM
If you are a true cricket fan, if you are a true Bangladeshi cricket fan, you would not want our boys to adapt jodi laigga jai strategy every time they go to middle. T20 will not only make them do that but engrave that method in their brain like Aftab did. he use have so much patience when he started at 5/6 down for BD. Then DW promoted him to take advantage of powerplay to #3. All learning went out the window. That is just one example.

With T20 being a regular thing, Imrul-sadat-nazimuddin all will be Aftab 2.0 or 2.5. Whereas, I want them to become at least Attapatu .5

You may have a good point there, T_e, but one of the problem is that whether we like it or not, T20 will survive, and players will go wherever they can earn money. In that case, won't it be better if our players can get opportunities in international league than in a domestic league of a foreign country? Won't it be better for our fans to route for a local team?

auntu
February 20, 2008, 04:48 PM
then where d ODIs n Test will go?
I cant imagine cricket without Test.
T20 should b used in a planed way

Tigers_eye
February 20, 2008, 04:53 PM
The issue is us versus them (rest of the world). Them, already have stablished teams with players down with the basic cricket knowledge (when to take risk and when not to). Players like Dhoni, Sanggakara can adapt to any situation weither it is 20 overs or five day cricket. Us on the other hand, have 10 first class matches all year long with half of them are missed for national tours. How are we going to learn the longer version of the game? (practice and learn in the test matches?) On top of it if these 20 year olds are heavily introduced to the T20 then their learning process of the longer version will hamper severely. Let other nations play as much as T20 they want to. We need to protect our youngsters and make sure they become a test player first then a T20 player.

This is only if one puts premium on test matches more than T20. If BCB thinks our future is T20 then so be it. Lets welcome Professional T20 league now and withdraw our test stasus.

sharifk
February 21, 2008, 10:13 AM
then where d ODIs n Test will go?
I cant imagine cricket without Test.
T20 should b used in a planed way

If you read my post again, you will see I am talking about only 2 months a year for the T20 international. And the rest 10 months are for tests and ODIs so surely more focuses are placed on tests and ODIs. But understand I am talking about international T20 league to counter against any dominant domestic league.

sharifk
February 21, 2008, 12:58 PM
This is only if one puts premium on test matches more than T20. If BCB thinks our future is T20 then so be it. Lets welcome Professional T20 league now and withdraw our test stasus.

T_e bhai, it’s a surprising statement from you.

If we are to grow and sustain in the top league, we must not just focus on one version of the game. I understand your point about the impact the shorter version of the game has on our young players, but avoiding isn’t the answer to overcome it. Nor do we need to avoid the other versions to focus on the shorter version because it has bigger commercial prospects. What I am saying is that we must understand the threat it has on the longer versions if we don’t manage it correctly. If we only allocate 2 months a year for international shorter event, and allow rest 10 months to focus on tests and ODIs, no domestic league can threaten international schedules of any of the T20, ODI and Test versions.

sharifk
February 25, 2008, 02:44 PM
Window could be found for IPL - Speed

Cricinfo staff

February 25, 2008

In what appears to be a softening of an earlier stance, Malcolm Speed, the ICC's chief executive, says that an annual window in cricket's increasingly over-packed calendar could be found for the Indian Premier League (IPL).

A meeting of the ICC chief executives' committee had recently decided that the Future Tours Programme (FTP) was in place till 2012 and that "no window would be considered or created [for the IPL] prior to that."

But Speed admitted that if seven ICC members supported it, and could work it into the schedule, a window could then be freed up for the tournament. He warned, however, that negotiating it would not be easy and the international calendar would have to be cleared from early April to mid-May, when the tournament is on. .....


Read full:
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ipl/content/current/story/339799.html



Since 7 votes are needed, BCB must vote against supporting any window for such domestic league and lobby for an international T20 event instead.

pocha
February 25, 2008, 03:47 PM
Since 7 votes are needed, BCB must vote against supporting any window for such domestic league and lobby for an international T20 event instead.

What is an international T20 event? We already have T20 WC.

Except for BD and Eng, players from all 7 countries are participating, so that will have the automatic support of 7 countries. But I am sure Ash and Aftab would get a call to play for Kolkata soon. :-|

sharifk
February 25, 2008, 03:58 PM
What is an international T20 event? We already have T20 WC.

Except for BD and Eng, players from all 7 countries are participating, so that will have the automatic support of 7 countries. But I am sure Ash and Aftab would get a call to play for Kolkata soon. :-|

if you read my first post again, i have explained of the suggested international t20 league. ..t20 wc isn't an yearly event and it's participated by qualitified countries...whereas the suggested international t20 league is for major international cities of full member countries....this way bd may have one or more teams (e.g. for chittagong, etc.) playing home and away against other international cities of other member countries....

pocha
February 25, 2008, 04:05 PM
if you read my first post again, i have explained of the suggested international t20 league. ..t20 wc isn't an yearly event and it's participated by qualitified countries...whereas the suggested international t20 league is for major international cities of full member countries....this way bd may have one or more teams (e.g. for chittagong, etc.) playing home and away against other international cities of other member countries....

It is impossible to have an International league like you are proposing. Ind already have 8 teams. Bd (acc to you) will have 2-3 teams. Pak will have 3-4 teams. WI will have 4 teams. So in that way we will end up will 40-50 teams and it is IMPOSSIBLE to have round robin home-away league for 50 teams. It will take a whole year to conduct a international league like that :timeout:

sharifk
February 25, 2008, 04:23 PM
It is impossible to have an International league like you are proposing. Ind already have 8 teams. Bd (acc to you) will have 2-3 teams. Pak will have 3-4 teams. WI will have 4 teams. So in that way we will end up will 40-50 teams and it is IMPOSSIBLE to have round robin home-away league for 50 teams. It will take a whole year to conduct a international league like that :timeout:

i have only tried to give a "what" type of answers and to answer "how" we probably will have to analyze and discussions need to take place among all the member countries....you can't say impossible without looking at all options such as limiting total numbers of teams or allowing teams to schedule a limited number of total matches (not to mention equal for everyone)....for example, nfl in the us limits the total number each team play to 16....plus a game like t20 can be played every day in the allocated two months....even something like double tripple headers a day, etc...there can be many ways to handle the league within 2 months....and this can allow big revenues to cities and players as well instead of all the money going into a single domestic league..

sharifk
December 22, 2009, 09:56 AM
It's interesting that others are thinking of the same now....


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How does the ICC remedy that inequality? How does it renew its control over cricket's calendar, to guard against a repeat of this year's absurd and meaningless congestion, and distribute revenues from the game more equitably, so that the game prospers all over the world? There is actually a solution so compellingly simple, logical and obvious that you just know it can never happen: the BCCI cedes control over the IPL and the Champions League to the ICC, which makes them into genuinely global tournaments with franchises in every Test-playing country, and in due course perhaps some non-Test playing ones too.

Presto: the traditional monopoly of the official game is restored, although the players continue to benefit from any market growth, because of the competition for their services from the new franchises, and the fans in other countries are given a stake in the excitement, rather than essentially having to look over Indian fans' shoulder. Other boards can cease their so-far fruitless and essentially pointless efforts to grow their own Twenty20 attractions; instead they share the benefits via ICC distributions from a properly constituted and multilaterally governed worldwide competition. Lalit Modi accepts the thanks of a grateful cricket world, and sheers off to star as himself in a Bollywood biopic.

The obstacles? One is the ICC's reputation, reminiscent of a jest told at the Australian newspaper giant John Fairfax after its ruin in an ill-starred leveraged buy-out led by impatient heir Warwick Fairfax: "How do you create a small business? Give a large business to Warwick Fairfax." Who would trust ICC to run a corner store after the shambles of the last World Cup, of which those final nocturnal meanderings were somehow a profoundly fitting culmination?

It's a fair question. By the same token, it's not as though the BCCI is exactly a streamlined model of commercial efficiency either, struggling with such complicated tasks as answering phone calls and delivering mail; were it issued a school report, meanwhile, the teacher would be obliged to make the comment "Does not play well with others". The greatest strength the BCCI enjoys is India - the fans, the viewers, the market - which it has done no more to deserve than by existing.

No, the chief obstacles to this proposition would be as straightforward as the proposition itself: ego, personal and national. The IPL is about India as much, if not more, than cricket; about the country's status in its own eyes and those of others; against that, even the welfare of cricket is perhaps a paltry concern.

Yet the influence and significance of India would hardly be diluted at all: the economic epicentre for an International Premier League/International Champions League would still overwhelmingly be where it is now. The only change would be that certain individuals very powerful today would be somewhat less so, even if they would in a sense be yielding their power to a countryman in the ICC's president-elect Sharad Pawar, and that the indigenous pride engendered by the IPL might in the short term be diffused, to perhaps be rekindled in due course by the prospect of Bangalore Royal Challengers v Durban Dik-Diks or Kolkata Knight Riders v Cardiff Kojaks. Whatever the case, cricket's increasingly divided house must be put in order. The ICC's crisis of relevance is, to borrow a line from Barack Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, a crisis too good to waste.

Gideon Haigh is a cricket historian and writer

© Cricinfo

Source and the entire article:

http://www.cricinfo.com/decadereview2009/content/story/440354.html

Raynman
December 22, 2009, 10:33 AM
As much as I have been a supporter of T20 cricket, an annual T20 international league would be overkill and kill the excitement of the format just like ICC has done for ODIs and Tests with poor scheduling.

I am, however, all for a qualification route to the T20 WC that will involve a large number of cricket nations (Full, Associates + more). An example would be to take 24 teams, split into groups of 6 where each team can play each other multiple times home and away and the top 4 from each team qualify to the T20 World cup. this will give countries like AFG, ARG, NAM etc. matches with the big teams and help boost cricket excitement around the globe.

sharifk
December 22, 2009, 11:01 AM
As much as I have been a supporter of T20 cricket, an annual T20 international league would be overkill and kill the excitement of the format just like ICC has done for ODIs and Tests with poor scheduling.

I am, however, all for a qualification route to the T20 WC that will involve a large number of cricket nations (Full, Associates + more). An example would be to take 24 teams, split into groups of 6 where each team can play each other multiple times home and away and the top 4 from each team qualify to the T20 World cup. this will give countries like AFG, ARG, NAM etc. matches with the big teams and help boost cricket excitement around the globe.

it's not about a T20 competition of national teams....it's of professional franchises/clubs ... something like the champions league (e.g. dhaka vs. mumbai)....this way may be IPL can be International Premier League instead of Indian Premier League ..

AsifTheManRahman
December 22, 2009, 12:44 PM
Just thought I'd share:
An overwhelming majority of Australian cricketers believe players will turn down central contracts in order to position themselves as Twenty20 "freelancers" in the coming seasons, prompting the Australian Cricketers' Association chief Paul Marsh (http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/246667.html) to describe the issue as "one of the biggest cricket has faced." The findings, published in the ACA's annual survey (http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/download/440694.html) of national and state cricketers, also revealed almost a quarter of Cricket Australia's 25-man contract list would consider declining future offers from the national board to expand their playing options.

http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/440690.html

Raynman
December 22, 2009, 02:43 PM
The ownership is really on ICC to make ODI and Test International fixtures meaningful. However, I'm pretty sure they will be short sighted and take the approach of treating T20 as the enemy.

Ironically though, the limited T20 engagement with the WC T20 has actually helped the format flourish and just made the ODI/TEST bi laterals seem even more cumbersome.

SS
December 22, 2009, 02:45 PM
smaller(version) the better....I thought the other way around

revolver
December 22, 2009, 02:45 PM
2020 should be kind of cricket for a very special day for everyone..like play next to the eid days, christmas days,, diwali days and many more

bharat
December 22, 2009, 03:39 PM
it's not about a T20 competition of national teams....it's of professional franchises/clubs ... something like the champions league (e.g. dhaka vs. mumbai)....this way may be IPL can be International Premier League instead of Indian Premier League ..

In case you missed there is a Champions league for that .BD is to have a team in that league next year .

Seeing this years response I dont think it will be successful ! The fans rather watch India vs BD rather than dhaka vs Mumbai !

IPL is a different beast , its been successful because of Indian city teams playing each other (and of course wine,women and movie starts).An Indian fan would not be interested in a match between Dhaka and Chittagong , in the same way a BD fan would not be interested in a game between Sailkot and Faislabad. Take out BD and international players out of IPL ..an avergae BD fan wouldnt care about IPL as well !

Beamer
December 22, 2009, 04:05 PM
If you are a true cricket fan, if you are a true Bangladeshi cricket fan, you would not want our boys to adapt jodi laigga jai strategy every time they go to middle. T20 will not only make them do that but engrave that method in their brain like Aftab did. he use have so much patience when he started at 5/6 down for BD. Then DW promoted him to take advantage of powerplay to #3. All learning went out the window. That is just one example.

With T20 being a regular thing, Imrul-sadat-nazimuddin all will be Aftab 2.0 or 2.5. Whereas, I want them to become at least Attapatu .5

baki ra shobai fake fan naki ? amrao chillai, hoyto chokher panio o feli. Others have the right to be miserable as well.

Raynman
December 22, 2009, 04:12 PM
^^^ I'm pretty sure T_E bhai has not changed his viewpoint that much but keep in mind you are replying to a post that is 20 months old

Eshen
December 22, 2009, 04:12 PM
In case you missed there is a Champions league for that .BD is to have a team in that league next year .

Really?!

I wonder if that team will come out of DPL, NCL, or PCL (yeah, we got too many domestic T20 leagues).

One World
December 22, 2009, 04:50 PM
Who will salvage this thread?
**Kakossho Poribedona**

kalpurush
December 22, 2009, 08:28 PM
In case you missed there is a Champions league for that .BD is to have a team in that league next year .

Seeing this years response I dont think it will be successful ! The fans rather watch India vs BD rather than dhaka vs Mumbai !

IPL is a different beast , its been successful because of Indian city teams playing each other (and of course wine,women and movie starts).An Indian fan would not be interested in a match between Dhaka and Chittagong , in the same way a BD fan would not be interested in a game between Sailkot and Faislabad. Take out BD and international players out of IPL ..an avergae BD fan wouldnt care about IPL as well !
True. No point for another Champions League type league.

yaseer
December 22, 2009, 09:38 PM
it's not about a T20 competition of national teams....it's of professional franchises/clubs ... something like the champions league (e.g. dhaka vs. mumbai)....this way may be IPL can be International Premier League instead of Indian Premier League ..

There is already a champions league, right? why another one? What is new in that?

Why do you think Dhaka vs Mumbai match will be more interesting than BD vs IND? Who cares about a somerset vs Trinidad match? We have seen that champions league was not 10% successful as IPL. IPL is a totally different thing as Bharat pointed out.

Why BCCI will allow ICC to take the control of IPL as "International Premier League"? BCCI will never let it happen and there will be a ICC vs BCCI competition, always BCCI going to win because they have the money. So, no "International Premier League", only "Indian Premiere league".

I also want our younger players to play longer version and want to keep them away from T20 as much as possible in their development stage. I take loosing to Ireland 10 times in a T20 match over a Test win any day. T20 is a fun game, and our young cricketers only should be allowed to have fun after they develop as a cricketer. We already have a T20 league, and that is enough for the moment. We should concentrate to NCL and make them more competitive.

wiseshah
December 22, 2009, 11:09 PM
why converting players from test/odi to 20/20.

why cant we make a different team for 20/20? in that way, we dont have to convert our players style.
players like

najmul hossain Milon
najimuddin
alok kapali
ziaur rahman
najmus sadat
mithun ali
imrul kayes


already did well in this format. we can just add some national 20/20 players and make a competitive 20/20 team. in this way, our some national players will have break from extensive cricket and we can reduce some injury also.

playing all three format is too much asking for our players. it will ruin their all cricket sense. they cant adopt all 3 format. so selection is a crucial thing here

BANFAN
December 23, 2009, 12:35 AM
Forget it man, we have some scope of lifting up our domestic T20 tournaments. May be through more money and attracting better quality foreign players.

BANFAN
December 23, 2009, 12:43 AM
why converting players from test/odi to 20/20.

why cant we make a different team for 20/20? .............

I wonder why can't we !!

sharifk
December 23, 2009, 11:41 AM
There is already a champions league, right? why another one? What is new in that?

okay, i said something like a champions league, but the answer isn't within the champions league....see the champions league implies that each major cricket nation has a domestic t2o league like the current ipl....where champions and/or runner ups from each domestic league plays in the champions league.....this is overkilling of this format...if at all feasible.....the answer lies within a single premier league of professional clubs from all test playing nations.....

Why do you think Dhaka vs Mumbai match will be more interesting than BD vs IND? Who cares about a somerset vs Trinidad match? We have seen that champions league was not 10% successful as IPL. IPL is a totally different thing as Bharat pointed out.

I am sure you know the difference between england vs spain and liverpool vs real madrid....but both of these types of competitions are proven successful....if a kolkata vs delhi game can have audience, so can a dhaka vs delhi....


Why BCCI will allow ICC to take the control of IPL as "International Premier League"? BCCI will never let it happen and there will be a ICC vs BCCI competition, always BCCI going to win because they have the money. So, no "International Premier League", only "Indian Premiere league".

it seems someone like many others has been brain washed......the answer lies within the question: will cricket be a global game or an indian sport?

I also want our younger players to play longer version and want to keep them away from T20 as much as possible in their development stage. I take loosing to Ireland 10 times in a T20 match over a Test win any day. T20 is a fun game, and our young cricketers only should be allowed to have fun after they develop as a cricketer. We already have a T20 league, and that is enough for the moment. We should concentrate to NCL and make them more competitive.

is it really just a fun game? if the professional cricketers were that naive, they wouldn't quit international career early to join just the fun...

i agree with you that our players need to develop their skills in the longer versions, but it's a concern at the moment as to what will be the future of the longer versions....so to survive in the international level, our players must learn how to play all formats...

Raynman
December 23, 2009, 12:16 PM
SharifK,

I kinda see your future vision (similar to the UEFA cup I guess) but that is still a while away. For your concept to succeed, IPL and the domestic T20 leagues that supply the Champions League teams need to be a international success beyond their own countries like The soccer leagues in Spain, England, Italy etc. Also the home and away matches around the globe is not as logistical as it is in Europe.

I think IPL and CL has the right momentum with the WC T20 every other year. I don't want ICC to spoil the T20 fun with unnecessary bi lateral intl series. But a qualification tournament for the WC would be most welcome.

sharifk
December 23, 2009, 12:17 PM
In case you missed there is a Champions league for that .BD is to have a team in that league next year .

Seeing this years response I dont think it will be successful ! The fans rather watch India vs BD rather than dhaka vs Mumbai !

IPL is a different beast , its been successful because of Indian city teams playing each other (and of course wine,women and movie starts).An Indian fan would not be interested in a match between Dhaka and Chittagong , in the same way a BD fan would not be interested in a game between Sailkot and Faislabad. Take out BD and international players out of IPL ..an avergae BD fan wouldnt care about IPL as well !

first of all i don't think champions league is the answer because it is of the domestic champions of major cricketing nations.....you see cricket hasn't emerged yet as a major global sport....yet it already has created so many formats of the game that it is difficult for any team or nation to manage so many tournaments...on the other hand until the shorter version has been introduced, professional cricketers have been underpaid compared to major global sport professionals.....t20 has shown commercial prospects....however, as we all know the real cricket is the test cricket.....and if test dies so will die the beauty of cricket......how can we find a balance where the game of cricket is saved while allowing cricketers to make some additional income?

this is where we must support a system which doesn't insist international cricketers to retire early to join t20 tourneys......the system must allow each major cricketing nation and its players profit from a limited shorter version of the competition....while this version is not overkilled.....for this we must not support too many domestic t20 competitions of franchise teams.....and a champions league suggests of domestic t20 leagues.......we also must not support of a system that allows all the benefits of this short versions goes to a single nation so we need to support international premier league instead of indian premier league...and for this franchise teams need to be created under icc guidelines in each test playing country....and the ftp needs to be created such that a small window is allowed each year for such competition....the remaining time for the real cricket....

sharifk
December 23, 2009, 12:25 PM
SharifK,

Also the home and away matches around the globe is not as logistical as it is in Europe.



that's a good point to analyze and find answers for... i believe it's in the scheduling where the answer is......but frankly the world is much smaller now, my friend...

Raynman
December 23, 2009, 12:36 PM
that's a good point to analyze and find answers for... i believe it's in the scheduling where the answer is......but frankly the world is much smaller now, my friend...

The world is smaller, but you have to take the financial consdierations of flight, hotels etc. and see if it makes sense for one game that may not be able to draw the crowds. Imagine a Dhaka vs. Jamaica game and the Dhaka team spend 4 days on the road just to play a 3/4 hour match that for all we know could end up getting rained out.

sharifk
December 23, 2009, 12:44 PM
The world is smaller, but you have to take the financial consdierations of flight, hotels etc. and see if it makes sense for one game that may not be able to draw the crowds. Imagine a Dhaka vs. Jamaica game and the Dhaka team spend 4 days on the road just to play a 3/4 hour match that for all we know could end up getting rained out.

this money making format of the game and franchise teams no need to worry about money....also double headers, tripple headers aren't impossible in this format.....travel arrangement can be made such that a team goes on away games on the same route.......divisions can be arranged regionally....there can be so many answers.....

bharat
December 23, 2009, 06:08 PM
this money making format of the game and franchise teams no need to worry about money....also double headers, tripple headers aren't impossible in this format.....travel arrangement can be made such that a team goes on away games on the same route.......divisions can be arranged regionally....there can be so many answers.....

You are missing the financial aspects completely !!

Say this International Premier league is played in England (or for that matter BD) who would go to watch Dhaka Vs Sealkot ? The 2003 WC and the 20-20 world cup barely made money ! Franchises need to survive ..infact these are big Business houses bidding for international palyers what matters to them is money !!

As rightly pointed above by one of the posters each country needs to proove that they have a comercially viable setup in their own country before we can make it global .

IPL (which I despise) ..is only surviving (and surviving well) because of India's huge population and market.Adding "outside" teams will dilute the packed money making schedule .A game between Sealkot and Dhaka would mean less gate money and less TRP ratings in India.

For the Soccer club model to succeed the individual franchise's should be commercially viable in their respective countries before they go Internatioanal

yaseer
December 23, 2009, 09:45 PM
okay, i said something like a champions league, but the answer isn't within the champions league....see the champions league implies that each major cricket nation has a domestic t2o league like the current ipl....where champions and/or runner ups from each domestic league plays in the champions league.....this is overkilling of this format...if at all feasible.....the answer lies within a single premier league of professional clubs from all test playing nations.....


mate, are you talking about that there will be no domestic T20 competition and all domestic teams will compete in "International Premiere League"? We have 12 clubs playing in DPL and 6 FC teams in NCL? All 12 or 6 clubs/teams then participate? If not then how you select which team going to participate? Also the number of teams in domestics is not the same for each country. If all teams not going to play from each country, then there must be a domestic tournament to select. If you are saying all will particiapte then number of matches of your version of IPL can reach 100/200.


I am sure you know the difference between england vs spain and liverpool vs real madrid....but both of these types of competitions are proven successful....if a kolkata vs delhi game can have audience, so can a dhaka vs delhi....


Aren't you comparing apple with oranges?
Let first make a team like Liverpool or Real Madrid in cricket who has fan base world-wide then go to that format.
Also champions league foot-ball in Europe and same type of tournament in Cricket world-wide is totally different. Already some of the members have mentioned about the travel issues and commercial viability.


it seems someone like many others has been brain washed......the answer lies within the question: will cricket be a global game or an indian sport?


If BCCI decides, though there is a "International Premiere League", they still want to have a domestic championship that is "Indian Premiere League". Can ICC stop that? Can ICC say to us that you cannot have a DPL?


is it really just a fun game? if the professional cricketers were that naive, they wouldn't quit international career early to join just the fun...

i agree with you that our players need to develop their skills in the longer versions, but it's a concern at the moment as to what will be the future of the longer versions....so to survive in the international level, our players must learn how to play all formats...

Yes, money is there in T20 thats why its drawing attention of the international players. But the format itself is still for the fun of spectators. Still a good performance in Test/ODI is remembered or ranked more than a T20 performance.

M.H.Rubel
December 24, 2009, 01:43 AM
Money is everything and everything will turn round money.So i think shortly T20 will be the prime form of popular cricket.And club or Franchise cup cricket will be the prime place where all money will round.I think shortly like football clubs will dominate in cricket in paralles to nation versus nation cricket.We like it or not T20 will the dominate the future cricket but i do believe tests will survive as it is the purest form of cricket.
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bangla-red
December 24, 2009, 09:26 AM
We need an official T20 league, NCLT20 perhaps?

sharifk
December 24, 2009, 11:57 AM
mate, are you talking about that there will be no domestic T20 competition and all domestic teams will compete in "International Premiere League"? We have 12 clubs playing in DPL and 6 FC teams in NCL? All 12 or 6 clubs/teams then participate? If not then how you select which team going to participate? Also the number of teams in domestics is not the same for each country. If all teams not going to play from each country, then there must be a domestic tournament to select. If you are saying all will particiapte then number of matches of your version of IPL can reach 100/200.

perhaps you need to read my first post again....the total # of teams shouldn't exceed 10 to 12 because only one to max 2 teams from each test playing nation should be licensed to participate....each franchise team needs to be formed under the guidelines of icc...these franchise team may or may not participate in a domestic league....

If BCCI decides, though there is a "International Premiere League", they still want to have a domestic championship that is "Indian Premiere League". Can ICC stop that? Can ICC say to us that you cannot have a DPL?

why would bcci decide about an international premier league?...it needs to be up to the icc......i see the reason for your confusion though...it's my mistake when i spoke against the domestic t20 league....i should have been clearer on this....i guess icc can't and shouldn't stop a member from organizing a domestic league like the current ipl or dpl...however, an international premier league should be the top ranked t20 league so that any domestic league can become secondary to players....for this ftp needs to allow a window for the international premier league and the domestic league doesn't get players who are on international duty....

sharifk
December 24, 2009, 12:44 PM
You are missing the financial aspects completely !!

Say this International Premier league is played in England (or for that matter BD) who would go to watch Dhaka Vs Sealkot ? The 2003 WC and the 20-20 world cup barely made money ! Franchises need to survive ..infact these are big Business houses bidding for international palyers what matters to them is money !!

As rightly pointed above by one of the posters each country needs to proove that they have a comercially viable setup in their own country before we can make it global .

am i really?

why would a dhaka vs sealkot game be played in england in a home n away scenario? btw do u know the bengali base in england? so any game playing in london involving a bengali team, u no need to worry about spectators...

questioning the financial viability or being concerned of insufficient spectators in a game involving a major team from bangladesh is of pure ignorance....i suggest you do some study about the bengali population base, bangladeshi fans, youths and their spending habits, etc....don't get offended if i say this that bengali youngsters had started rocking long before indians even started learning about rock n roll...so u need to learn how bengali young generation (especially of urbane) spend their time and money in cafes, restaurants and fun activities.....even an under 19 wc can have a stadium full of audience in bangladesh....

IPL (which I despise) ..is only surviving (and surviving well) because of India's huge population and market.Adding "outside" teams will dilute the packed money making schedule .A game between Sealkot and Dhaka would mean less gate money and less TRP ratings in India.

do u think a game between nz or paki vs bangladesh cares about the trp ratings in india? so wut if the trp ratings in india is less, should this type of game not be played? it only matters if you get enough spectators and tv audience from the involved cities/countries......and btw bangladesh also has a huge population of more than 160 millions.....so u can't just speak of indias huge population....

For the Soccer club model to succeed the individual franchise's should be commercially viable in their respective countries before they go Internatioanal

each of all current test playing nations is capable of at least one financially viable franchise team...

Neel Here
December 24, 2009, 03:51 PM
it's not about a T20 competition of national teams....it's of professional franchises/clubs ... something like the champions league (e.g. dhaka vs. mumbai)....this way may be IPL can be International Premier League instead of Indian Premier League ..

there is already something called the champions league 20-20, which is the same thing you propose.


bengali youngsters had started rocking long before indians even started learning about rock n roll
just asking this because I'm interested in music. when was that. which band ?

sharifk
December 24, 2009, 10:01 PM
there is already something called the champions league 20-20, which is the same thing you propose.

i have already answered this in reply to other posts that champions league is a competition of countries whereas the proposed international premier league is of franchise teams (of cities) from test playing nations...

just asking this because I'm interested in music. when was that. which band ?

btw this was in response to bharat's arrogance that all financial viability is only in india because of girls, wine, etc.....to answer ur question, there r many...if u haven't listened warfaze, rockstrata, artcell u may start with those...

Neel Here
December 25, 2009, 06:04 AM
i have already answered this in reply to other posts that champions league is a competition of countries whereas the proposed international premier league is of franchise teams (of cities) from test playing nations...
champions league 20-20 is a tournament among the T-20 teams of various countries. you are confusing with champions trophy.

btw this was in response to bharat's arrogance that all financial viability is only in india because of girls, wine, etc
wine ? girls ? financial viability ? :lol: should those 3 even be in the same sentence ? :-p

thing is, bangladesh alone does not have the financial viability to support a large number of franchisees YET. but I think it will be there in a couple of decades. :)
.....to answer ur question, there r many...if u haven't listened warfaze, rockstrata, artcell u may start with those...
I do know of the bangladeshi rock scene. but your statement is a little wrong. the earliest band in this region was 'mohiner ghoraguli' from the mid 70's. this was a kolkata band, which, as you know is in india. many bangladeshi rock bands as well as indian rock bands derive inspiration from them.
the recent hit hindi movie song bheegi bheegi, sung by bangladeshi singer james was based on one of their songs (prithibita naki choto hote hote)
rock bands anyway have little to do with cricket, but I'll love to discuss this with you in forget cricket.

edit : I do enjoy bands from both sides of the border and there are some very good ones on both sides. you could have made your point without dissing indian bands, of which you are clearly not aware of.

sharifk
December 25, 2009, 10:23 AM
champions league 20-20 is a tournament among the T-20 teams of various countries. you are confusing with champions trophy.

dude, if u had read my earlier posts, u would have been clearer on my explanations on champions league vs the proposed international premier league.....the champions league includes the champions/runner ups from selected countries to compete in groups like wc tourneys....which implies there would be qualifiers from domestic competitions...the suggested international premier league is suggested to include franchisees formed under the icc guidelines....these franchise teams will be formed solely for the international premier league and not to compete in domestic league like the current ipl or dpl or pcl for that matter....and the premier league will make all domestic t20 league inferior to it....

thing is, bangladesh alone does not have the financial viability to support a large number of franchisees YET. but I think it will be there in a couple of decades. :)

i don't think u can prove ur point with any logic on bangladesh's capability....i think bangladesh is capable at will only if the bcb visions it.....but i won't go into that debate because i am not suggesting a bangladeshi or another domestic t20 league....i am talking about an international premier league...

I do know of the bangladeshi rock scene. but your statement is a little wrong. the earliest band in this region was 'mohiner ghoraguli' from the mid 70's. this was a kolkata band, which, as you know is in india. many bangladeshi rock bands as well as indian rock bands derive inspiration from them.
the recent hit hindi movie song bheegi bheegi, sung by bangladeshi singer james was based on one of their songs (prithibita naki choto hote hote)
rock bands anyway have little to do with cricket, but I'll love to discuss this with you in forget cricket.

if u know bangladeshi rock scene, then wouldn't try to distort history by stating 'mohiner ghoraguli' as the earliest band in the region....we all can do some research and be sure, but i am judging based on your statement since u have mentioned that band is of mid 70s....since bangladesh obtained independence only in 1971 i won't go before that, but 'Uccharon' was the earliest band that was formed early 70s immediately after the independence....and azam khan, uccharon's lead singer, who was also a freedom fighter, had been rocking all along....if mohiner ghoraguli was a mid 70's band and of rock, i would say feedback, miles, lucky akondh, feroz shai, fakir alomgir, ferdous wahid all were rocking before mohiner ghoraguli...i agree though that this would be better discussed in forget cricket....

edit : I do enjoy bands from both sides of the border and there are some very good ones on both sides. you could have made your point without dissing indian bands, of which you are clearly not aware of.

i do also enjoy suman chatterjee (forget my spelling), anjan datta, ajay chakraborti...so no issue there, but i am not sure why u got so offended when i mentioned of bengalis not just of bangladeshis who are of rock culture (i am sure u know of that type)....the point was that the new generation is ready to spend time and money to have fun in the evening to enjoy a good professional t20 game....

Neel Here
December 25, 2009, 02:42 PM
i don't think u can prove ur point with any logic on bangladesh's capability....i think bangladesh is capable at will only if the bcb visions it.....but i won't go into that debate because i am not suggesting a bangladeshi or another domestic t20 league....i am talking about an international premier league...
sharif bhai, no need to get defensive about it. I too am enthusiastic about the commercial strength of bangladesh cricket but that's for the future, it's not there yet. no use pretending otherwise.
read this thread please. http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=29428&highlight=bcb
it's easy to see that from the % contribution of the cricket boards to world cricket in terms of money.
at the moment BCB comes even below PCB and CSL I think.

when i mentioned of bengalis not just of bangladeshis who are of rock culture
if some of those bengalis are indians then you can't say indians didn't know of rock. I didn't get offended, just corrected you. they are indians first and then bengalis aren't they ? would you for example say you are dhakaiya (or sylheti or input place of origin) first and not bangladeshi ?
in fact there were indian rock bands in other languages too at the same time as per my friends but I don't know the details.

sharifk
January 3, 2010, 01:02 PM
i am bringing it up one more time since tri-series may allow many to read this....

and btw brother Neel Here, one of the biggest reasons for less contribution is due to lack of quality tournaments here....the other being that bcb's lack of vision as far as commercialization is concerned......u see if u remember correctly we had an under 19 wc that had every single match with stadium full of spectators, which tells that market is there.....and we have a huge population base...