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Zunaid
February 23, 2008, 02:37 PM
Our Ash has been quite the inspiration for so much of the special argot of us Bangladesh cricket fans. We have our Eids and now, courtesy of de Villiers' bizarree dismissal by Ashraful, the lexicon has grown to include Doosraful.

Future crikcetymologist do not need to argue over the when and who.

Here he is: Electrequiem (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/member.php?u=1658)

And here is how it happened.

http://www.virtualbangladesh.com/banglacricket/doosraful.jpg

Nafi
February 23, 2008, 02:46 PM
A doosra (Urdu: دوسرا, doo-srah) is a particular type of delivery by an off-spin bowler in the sport of cricket, invented by Pakistani cricketer Saqlain Mushtaq.[1] The term comes from the word do (pronounced 'doh' or 'doe'), which means "two" in Urdu and Hindi, and, in this context, "the other one". (Literally, it means "second" or "the second one").[2] Saqlain Mushtaq also invented a variant of the Doosra, a ball which he calls the Teesra, coming from Urdu and Hindi for the third one.

irteja
February 23, 2008, 02:52 PM
Doosraful :))

MohammedC
February 23, 2008, 02:58 PM
So no more argument its Electrequiem who invented the term "Doosraful"

well done

Murad
February 23, 2008, 02:59 PM
This ball was the turning point for us. That partnership was going strong. And what a ball to break the partnership.

Oi wicket er karonei Rajib onno wicket gulo taratari tule nite parche...

Murad
February 23, 2008, 03:06 PM
Ki re bhai amar last post ta gelo koi..:confused:

Electrequiem
February 23, 2008, 03:13 PM
:D LOL *bows*

Thanks, Zunaid bhai!

DJ Sahastra
February 23, 2008, 03:20 PM
:-X

I was the first one to call it "Ash's Doosra" in the BD match thread. Everyone just took the "Doosra" clue from there and started coining his own variant.

I protest.:-X

Nocturnal
February 23, 2008, 03:22 PM
:-X

I was the first one to call it "Ash's Doosra" in the BD match thread. Everyone just took the "Doosra" clue from there and started coining his own variant.

I protest.:-X

I protest too :-p

Electrequiem
February 23, 2008, 03:22 PM
:-X

I was the first one to call it "Ash's Doosra" in the BD match thread. Everyone just took the "Doosra" clue from there and started coining his own variant.

I protest.:-X

DJ bro, look at line 6 of the chat snippet :)

:big_hug:

MohammedC
February 23, 2008, 03:24 PM
:-X

I was the first one to call it "Ash's Doosra" in the BD match thread. Everyone just took the "Doosra" clue from there and started coining his own variant.

I protest.:-X

I protest too :-p

We need a poll.
Where is Shamz Bhai :-p

DJ Sahastra
February 23, 2008, 03:25 PM
Electrequiem Bro,

It is on a lighter note - probably i have nothing better to do than protest :D

On a side note, look at this quote from thread 50 of the BD-SA match thread :)

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=25563&page=50

I call it Ash's Doosra since it got wicket on it's "Doosra" (second) bounce. :-D

It is entirely possible for two genious to think alike at the same time :D

Zunaid
February 23, 2008, 03:29 PM
Great minds do think alike. If only if there were any here. :)

Orpheus
February 23, 2008, 03:31 PM
none above and below my post :-p

Electrequiem
February 23, 2008, 03:32 PM
Electrequiem Bro,

It is on a lighter note - probably i have nothing better to do than protest :D

On a side note, look at this quote from thread 50 of the BD-SA match thread :)

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=25563&page=50



It is entirely possible for two genious to think alike at the same time :D

Aye, I can live with that. :D

Electrequiem
February 23, 2008, 03:33 PM
none above and below my post :-p

Poongtami koro? :D

Orpheus
February 23, 2008, 03:34 PM
Poongtami koro? :D

No but i did stay in Holiday Inn last night.

Electrequiem
February 23, 2008, 03:35 PM
No but i did stay in Holiday Inn last night.

Good ol' Huckabee :D

Nocturnal
February 23, 2008, 03:41 PM
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</td> </tr> </tbody></table> ঢাকা, ২৩ ফেব্র"য়ারি (বিডিনিউজ টোয়েন্টিফোর ডটকম) --- ধারাভাষ্যকার কেপলার ওয়েসেলস তো এবি ডি ভিলিয়ার্সকে নট আউট বলেই ঘোষণা করে দিলেন। মোহাম্মদ আশরাফুলের দুই বাউন্সের ডেলিভারিতে ডি ভিলিয়ার্স আউট হওয়ার পর অবশ্য তার সঙ্গী ধারাভাষ্যকার লক্ষণ শিবরাম কৃষ্ণান নিশ্চুপই ছিলেন। বুদ্ধিমানের কাজই করেছেন বটে!

শনিবার ওয়ারিদ সিরিজের প্রথম টেস্টের দ্বিতীয় দিনের মধ্যাহ্ন বিরতির সময় ধারাভাষ্য কক্ষ থেকে লিফটে নীচে নামার সময় ভারতের এই সাবেক লেগস্পিনার বলছিলেন, "আমি নিশ্চিত ছিলাম না বলে সেসময় চুপ ছিলাম।" ততক্ষণে অবশ্য জটিল ক্রিকেট আইনের অন্ধকার থেকে বেরিয়ে এসেছেন সবাই। স্টিভ বাকনরও যে ভুল সিদ্ধান্ত দেননি, বরং ক্রিকেটের ২৪ নম্বর আইনের ছয় ধারা মেনেছেন, সেটাও জানা হয়ে গেছে সবার। নিজের কথাটা গেলা ছাড়া কোনো উপায়ই ছিল না দক্ষিণ আফ্রিকার সাবেক অধিনায়কের।

অবশ্য এই আইনটা জানা ছিল না অদ্ভুত আউটের শিকার ডি ভিলিয়ার্সেরও। দ্বিতীয় দিনের শেষে সংবাদ সম্মেলনে এসে বললেন, "এই নিয়মটা আমিও জানতাম না। আমি আশা করছিলাম কেউ একজন এসে এটাকে নো বল কিংবা এ জাতীয় কিছু একটা বলবে।" অপেক্ষায় থেকে এরপর স্কয়ার লেগ আম্পায়ার আলীম দারের শরণাপন্ন হওয়ার পর যা শুনেছেন, তাও লুকোলেন না, "জিজ্ঞেস করার পর আমাকে বলা হলো যে দুবারের বেশি বাউন্সে বল গেলে তবেই ওটাকে নো কল করা যেত।"

তবে এভাবে আউট হওয়াটা যে তিনি মেনে নিতে পারছেন না, তাও বেশ বোঝা গেল ডি ভিলিয়ার্সের কথায়, "এমনকি পপিং ক্রিজের আগে দুবার বাউন্স খেয়ে আসা বলে একজন বোলার উইকেট পাচ্ছে, বিষয়টাকে অনৈতিকই মনে হয় আমার। আমি আউট হতে পারি না, সেসময় আমার এটাই মনে হচ্ছিল। খুবই বিরল আউট এটা।"

বিরল তো বটেই। না হলে কী আর ওই আউটের পর পরই ক্রিকেটের বিচিত্র বেশ কিছু আউটের লম্বা এক তালিকা ওয়েবসাইটে তুলে দেয় ক্রিকইনফো! বাংলাদেশের কোচ জেমি সিডন্সও তো স্বীকার করলেন, "আমার জীবনে এরকম আউট আর দেখিনি।"
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Ishtylish cricketer
February 23, 2008, 03:45 PM
The commentator Shivaramakishan called it "doosra" on air first and after that people started adding the suffixes. Even the ball after his doosra or "doosraful" as you guys are calling it was almost a repeat. Boucher played the ugliest drag-pull I have ever seen but I guess it complements the rubbish Ashraful was bowling. With his quality or lack of it, it's a mystery to me how does this guy picks up anyone's wicket?

Electrequiem
February 23, 2008, 03:59 PM
The commentator Shivaramakishan called it "doosra" on air first and after that people started adding the suffixes.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XlQC6CjNCUQ

watch from 8:03 onwards...I think you are confusing this incident between Johan Botha's "doosra" that Shivaramakrishnan was talking of later. :)

Kabir
February 23, 2008, 05:17 PM
Yea...it was the turning point for us. But Ash only gets the credit for (1) a bowling change, and (2) an easy catch that was taken...not for the particular ball that got de villiers.

The ball was so pathetic that de Villiers thought "OK, here's a lollypop". Poor fella.

So yea...Ash got the wicket. But he hardly gets any credit for a good ball. We all know that it wasn't meant to turn the way it did. :)

Omio
February 23, 2008, 08:41 PM
someone told it -deshi dooshra..hahahahaha

tiger_army
February 23, 2008, 09:05 PM
dooshraful nice one, can anyone of us plz add this dooshraful in his Wikipedia profile...sorry im bit confused abt editing in Wikiprdia never done it before... i think we shud make this ball populer as well as Ash since its a legal delivery

Orpheus
February 23, 2008, 09:48 PM
dooshraful nice one, can anyone of us plz add this dooshraful in his Wikipedia profile...sorry im bit confused abt editing in Wikiprdia never done it before... i think we shud make this ball populer as well as Ash since its a legal delivery

I AGREE, not only that we should open up the term doosraful in wiki also... ke korbe?

Nasif
February 23, 2008, 10:08 PM
I AGREE, not only that we should open up the term doosraful in wiki also... ke korbe?

Here you go, I added it in last few mins after reading your post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doosraful

Whoever feels like it, add more content.

Ehsan
February 23, 2008, 10:11 PM
Here you go, I added it in last few mins after reading your post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doosraful

Whoever feels like it, add more content.

Sweet! Add picture or even a youtube video. :)

tiger_army
February 23, 2008, 10:19 PM
lol now its time to spread the word, its time to make Ash and Electrequiem (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/member.php?u=1658) become famous...<!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: postbit_onlinestatus -->

Tintin
February 23, 2008, 10:50 PM
All times IST

IRC

11:36 Electro uses the term "DOOSHRAFUL"
11:36 Tonoy is the first to use the present spelling "Doosraful"
11:39 Electro uses "Doosraful" for the first time

Match thread

11:36 DJ declares "I call it Ash's Doosra since it got wicket on it's "Doosra" (second) bounce"
11:46 Nocturnal uses the term "Dooshraful" but he had been in the chatroom
11:52 First recorded use of Doosraful in the messageboard, by Miraz

Nasif
February 23, 2008, 10:54 PM
All times IST

IRC

11:36 Electro uses the term "DOOSHRAFUL"
11:36 Tonoy is the first to use the present spelling "Doosraful"
11:39 Electro uses "Doosraful" for the first time

Match thread

11:36 DJ declares "I call it Ash's Doosra since it got wicket on it's "Doosra" (second) bounce"
11:46 Nocturnal uses the term "Dooshraful" but he had been in the chatroom
11:52 First recorded use of Doosraful in the messageboard, by Miraz

lol Thats comprehensive history of Doosraful. You might want to add the time of Wiki entry creation as well ;)

Nocturnal
February 23, 2008, 10:59 PM
part of the history...haha :-p

One World
February 24, 2008, 11:09 AM
cool but

The commentator Shivaramakishan called it "doosra" on air first and after that people started adding the suffixes. Even the ball after his doosra or "doosraful" as you guys are calling it was almost a repeat. Boucher played the ugliest drag-pull I have ever seen but I guess it complements the rubbish Ashraful was bowling. With his quality or lack of it, it's a mystery to me how does this guy picks up anyone's wicket?

it was AB "Devil"-liers, not MB.

darito90
February 25, 2008, 01:29 AM
Who got it on Wikipedia?

Tintin
February 25, 2008, 01:37 AM
Who got it on Wikipedia?

Nasif

Antora
February 25, 2008, 01:58 AM
LOL doosraful? NICE!!!!

Orpheus
February 25, 2008, 02:00 AM
It's too bad "ashra" never made it. Rubu - you've FAILED!! Now go rue your boo.

Nasif
February 26, 2008, 02:39 PM
Well, it will be short lived unless we can back up the claim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Doosraful

Doosraful (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doosraful)

<dl><dd>Doosraful (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doosraful) <tt>(</tt>edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doosraful&action=edit)<tt>|</tt>talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Doosraful&action=edit&redlink=1)<tt>|</tt>history (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doosraful&action=history)<tt>|</tt>links (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere/Doosraful&limit=999)<tt>|</tt>watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doosraful&action=watch)<tt>|</tt>logs (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Doosraful)<tt>)</tt> (delete (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doosraful&wpReason=AfD+discussion%3A+%5B%5BWikipedia%3AArtic les+for+deletion%2FDoosraful%5D%5D&action=delete)) – (View log (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_February_26#Doosraful))</dd></dl>
Delete neologism, only source is some forum chat. Stephen Turner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stephen_Turner) (Talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stephen_Turner)) 08:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Strong delete per above. Blnguyen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Blnguyen) (vote in the photo straw poll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Blnguyen#Straw_poll_for_selecting_photos _of_the_Indian_cricket_team_for_use_in_articles)) 08:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
<small>Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Cricket).</small> <small>—Preceding unsigned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures) comment added by Stephen Turner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stephen_Turner) (talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stephen_Turner) • contribs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stephen_Turner)) 08:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)</small>
<small>Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Bangladesh).</small> Stephen Turner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stephen_Turner) (Talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stephen_Turner)) 08:08, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Note: Google search (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=7Ca&q=Doosraful+-site%3Awikipedia.org&btnG=Search&meta=) reveals no results outside Wikipedia and the banglacricket.com forum. Stephen Turner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stephen_Turner) (Talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stephen_Turner)) 08:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Delete: until the use of the term is substentiated by other notable media. Arman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Armanaziz) <sup>(Talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Armanaziz))</sup> 08:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Delete as per above reasons. Could probably make a case for it being speedily deleted. Andrew nixon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Andrew_nixon) (talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Andrew_nixon)) 09:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

ammark
February 26, 2008, 02:48 PM
Hehe. Even wiki has some anally-retentive mods these days :)

Shobha
February 26, 2008, 02:54 PM
OMG how did nasif bhai get it on wikipedia. bloody hell these bc people they're genius they are (miraz bhai with rafiques interview)

Orpheus
February 29, 2008, 02:45 AM
Well, it will be short lived unless we can back up the claim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Doosraful

Back up! the biggest cricket site cricinfo recognizes the word:

<table bgcolor="#eeeeee" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="603"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#cccccc" valign="top"><td colspan="2"><table bgcolor="#cccccc" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>h</td> <td>
</td> <td>86* (117b 12x4)</td> <td>
</td> <td>Shakib Al Hasan</td> <td>
</td> <td>8-3-17-0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td align="right" width="30">43.6</td> <td width="100%">Mohammad Ashraful to McKenzie, 1 run, outside off stump and McKenzie on drives to long-on </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td align="right" width="30">43.5</td> <td width="100%">Mohammad Ashraful to Smith, 1 run, low full toss and whipped to midwicket </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td align="right" width="30">43.4</td> <td width="100%">Mohammad Ashraful to Smith, no run, on the middle and leg, defended down the track </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td align="right" width="30">43.3</td> <td width="100%">Mohammad Ashraful to McKenzie, 1 run, picks up a single with a off drive </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td align="right" width="30">43.2</td> <td width="100%">Mohammad Ashraful to McKenzie, no run, outside off and pushed to covers </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td align="right" width="30">43.1</td> <td width="100%">Mohammad Ashraful to McKenzie, FOUR, And he almost bowls a doosraful but its down leg side and is pulled to fine leg boundary </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td colspan="2">Ashraful comes on! The Banglacricket.com site, ( I don't remember the poster, sorry) called his 'special' delivery that dismissed de Villiers in the first Test - it pitched twice - as "Doosraful"! Gem!</td></tr></tbody></table>

Orpheus
February 29, 2008, 02:50 AM
Now only TV commentators gotta pick this up... and it's done for good.

Rabz
February 29, 2008, 05:29 AM
Ah..missed being part of history...
well done Eleqtri...

Electrequiem
March 29, 2008, 07:54 PM
thanks Rabz ...

I had no idea cricinfo picked up on this ... wow!

pocha
March 29, 2008, 08:26 PM
Well, it will be short lived unless we can back up the claim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Doosraful


What the hell, seems like the article is deleted from Wiki :(.

Nasif
March 30, 2008, 02:27 AM
What the hell, seems like the article is deleted from Wiki :(.

Its standard procedure. No reference = delete. It had it coming.

pocha
March 30, 2008, 11:26 AM
Its standard procedure. No reference = delete. It had it coming.

Okay Nasif Bhai at least we tried. Let Ash bowl a few more Doosraful and then only we can get some reference.

crikfreak
March 30, 2008, 12:36 PM
deleted?? awe.. how sad.. anyways.. nice thread.. ash should try doosraful more often and make it famous.. then they'll put it on wikipedia