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freeman
February 24, 2008, 03:56 PM
I think everyone will agree that he has been given all the chance to prove himself and I think he failed and so will everyone. I know some of you are a big fan of his batting and you all will agree that he has done nothing since that 80 runs innings against Sri Lanka. If you are thinking for batting rather than keeping than I have to say you are wrong. In test cricket its very hard to get a batsman out where you have to earn a wicket ( Not like our batsman who would give their wicket as a present to a bowler). Its a hard job to bowl in test cricket and if you miss a chance than 9 out of 10 times world class players will make you pay for your mistake. And we all know Mushfiqur always does this kind of mistakes which costs us a great deal. I don't understand why we are useing him in test cricket!!!! Its ok to use him in ODIs but not in tests.

My point of view Pilot is our best option in test than Dhiman and Musy would be the 3rd choice. Many would say Musy is better batsman than both of them but I would say he could be better than Pilot but not better than Dhiman. Our best Test keeper is Pilot and best ODI keeper is Dhiman. I strongly believe that Dhiman has proved himself to get a chance in this ODI series against South Africa. I think we should give Mushfiqur a break and pick Dhiman for this series but I know this is not going to happen. Like others our selector are following their previous ones footsteps. They have proven many times that they like to be in spot light for the wrong reason. They played with Rafiques selection in many times (as everyone will agree with me that he is our best option in both froms of the game which he proved in many occasions like this time, and they picked him for this series only to give him a chance to retire!!! Give me a break). I have no bad relation with them like they have good relations with few players (who gets the favour)!! I am talking about the facts which never lies. I think its time for them to realize that they should make some selection for the sake of our cricket and cricket loving people. Its about time to do some job that they have been picked for, selecting some good players not relatives!

I would strongly urge the selectors to drop him from the second tests of this series and pick Pilot for the sake of our cricket and love to see they are giving Dhiman a chance in ODIs and giving MUSHFIQUR a much needed break.

irteja
February 24, 2008, 04:04 PM
agree....nice post...

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Miraz
February 24, 2008, 04:09 PM
Could not agree more.

Mushfiq badly needs a break that will help him to get better and come back as a better batsman.

He is developing as a keeper and is almost par with Pilot but his batting is now even worse compared to other options.

Shobha
February 24, 2008, 04:58 PM
dhiman definitley deserves to play in the odi's. if he doesnt then i'd say the selection commitee has gone mad/:)
And as for the second test, pilot NEEDS to be included. we've seen enough of rahim's bizzarness.:sick:

Faisal
February 24, 2008, 05:24 PM
Musfiq Missed a catch & and easy easy Stumping of prince, gosh if he could make that stumping it would have been a tight match. and Rafique was so upset with musfiq.

roaring tigerz
February 24, 2008, 06:23 PM
o fickle fans! the same guys who were baying for mashud's blood a month back, suddenly find him to be our savior during crisis. What did Mashud really do to deserve his spot back? Not a whole lot, right?
Mushfiq has been struggling with the bat. But did you see his dismissals during this test? The first innings he hung around, and stitched together a crucial partnership with Mortaza before getting out to a great yorker. In the second innings he never actually got out. His glovework has definitely improved, and imo he is not lagging behind pilot in that department.We have never had a keeper who has the technique and temperament to bat in the top 6. He might be out of form but he will come good sooner rather than later. Seems like Siddons and Co. know the value of little Mushy, we should have some more faith in him too.

Gowza
February 24, 2008, 06:33 PM
dhiman should for sure be the ODI keeper, i don't think either rahim or dhiman are quite ready for test cricket (rahim clearly isn't, dhiman we don't know yet but his FC record suggests he still needs a bit of time batting wise). mashud is going to retire after this series and i don't see the point in bringing him back for one test match especially since dhiman probably can do an as good a job as him. dhiman may not quite be ready for test cricket but he's probably the best if not equal best keeper with mashud atm.

zahid
February 24, 2008, 06:56 PM
Apart from that 50 Fluke against India, I am yet to be impressed!

Golden cow-dung, IMO!

desirocker
February 24, 2008, 06:57 PM
I think everyone will agree that he has been given all the chance to prove himself and I think he failed and so will everyone. I know some of you are a big fan of his batting and you all will agree that he has done nothing since that 80 runs innings against Sri Lanka. If you are thinking for batting rather than keeping than I have to say you are wrong. In test cricket its very hard to get a batsman out where you have to earn a wicket ( Not like our batsman who would give their wicket as a present to a bowler). Its a hard job to bowl in test cricket and if you miss a chance than 9 out of 10 times world class players will make you pay for your mistake. And we all know Mushfiqur always does this kind of mistakes which costs us a great deal. I don't understand why we are useing him in test cricket!!!! Its ok to use him in ODIs but not in tests.

My point of view Pilot is our best option in test than Dhiman and Musy would be the 3rd choice. Many would say Musy is better batsman than both of them but I would say he could be better than Pilot but not better than Dhiman. Our best Test keeper is Pilot and best ODI keeper is Dhiman. I strongly believe that Dhiman has proved himself to get a chance in this ODI series against South Africa. I think we should give Mushfiqur a break and pick Dhiman for this series but I know this is not going to happen. Like others our selector are following their previous ones footsteps. They have proven many times that they like to be in spot light for the wrong reason. They played with Rafiques selection in many times (as everyone will agree with me that he is our best option in both froms of the game which he proved in many occasions like this time, and they picked him for this series only to give him a chance to retire!!! Give me a break). I have no bad relation with them like they have good relations with few players (who gets the favour)!! I am talking about the facts which never lies. I think its time for them to realize that they should make some selection for the sake of our cricket and cricket loving people. Its about time to do some job that they have been picked for, selecting some good players not relatives!

I would strongly urge the selectors to drop him from the second tests of this series and pick Pilot for the sake of our cricket and love to see they are giving Dhiman a chance in ODIs and giving MUSHFIQUR a much needed break.

I absolutely agree but vaire koshto kore post lekhe kono lav nai. Apnar amar moto supporters ra jodi Hunger strike o kore tobu o shalar selectorsra or bad debe na. who knows why da hell they don't give pilot a last chance

Protic
February 24, 2008, 10:17 PM
Zahid : 80 odd against Sri lanka?

Anyway .. i too think that Mushy should be rested.. i mean we want a keeper batsman whos performing..maybe not scoring 50,100 s at regular intervals..but atleast 25/30/40 runs..every now & then.. I dont think i want to go with Pilot.. Maybe Dhiman ..he should given a test chance ..and no better ways to know if he's ready or not.. if he does good..pick him for ODI's too..+ i also think Rajin can keep..and we can have batsman too..who can actually score.. and get razzak in place of bashar..

Eshen
February 24, 2008, 10:44 PM
It's said a wicketkeeper does not stand against opposition batsmen, he stands against bowlers of his own team. It takes lots of time and practice to get used to a particular set of bowlers. I think it won't be fair or wise to drop Mushfiq now and bring Mashud or Dhiman out of wilderness to stand in the next match.

Mushfiq developed his keeping skills enough to retain his place for next test. However, we surely need a keeper for ODIs who can also contribute with bat. As I said in another thread, it's time the selectors bring Dhiman in the national team camp and have him train with the team for next couple of weeks. If Mushfiq doesn't show improvement in his batting in next test, bring Dhiman in for the ODI series.

Faisal
February 24, 2008, 10:49 PM
batting???? i dont care about musfiq batting.
but why the hell he dropped catch and stamping????? if he could hold the catch and do that easy stamping, it would have been a close match. he sux big time.. he cant catch, he cant do easy stumping, damn him.

BD Tigers
February 24, 2008, 11:09 PM
i see no body can replace Mushi here since Pilot is retiring, so we are going to destroy this boy by playing him all the time.

Gowza
February 24, 2008, 11:28 PM
he'll develop his skills better in the NCL or A team because he'll face more balls. i just don't get why people don't want the keeper batsman with the best record who also happens to be very young. you shouldn't put a player in the national team for an extended period of time unless they're completely ready to jump up to that level or they're the best in the country at the time. rahim is neither of those, he's the 3rd best keeper batsman in the country atm and he's not ready to play at this level.

U-17, 1999
February 24, 2008, 11:34 PM
i dont know depending on what others select a player or try to make a choice but i have some personal ideas and views. long ago i had stopped playing cricket and came abroad but i think cricket is still my blood.
When i was young .. no when i was a kid Khaled Mashud Pilot was my Icon and still it is. I have seen how much he has struggled to get into a position. His dedication for cricket.may be his performance was not so good for a while but i i still believe he is our best choice for both form of the game. i havent seen or dont know about dhiman ghosh but mushfik really needs some time to be a matured player.
sorry if i have written a one eyed post.

Pundit
February 24, 2008, 11:43 PM
So much noise over just one player.

yaseer
February 24, 2008, 11:48 PM
I knew few months back that this post is going to come.....I was strongly arguing against dropping Pailot.......but so many here were soo impressed with Mushfiq that.....what i can say....

For the last 14 years....we did not have to think for the man behind the stamps....and few months back.....everyone went agaisnt Pailot.....without any strong reasons....

Anyway......It is almost late.....I am not sure about the mental state of Pailot as he wanted to retire and wanted to retire by playing a match........so not sure whether we can get same Pailot or not......but we can definitely try before its too late.

Pailot had minimum 2-3 years of cricekt left in him.....and only the selectors are to blame for if Bangladesh cricket is going deprived of his service........

Dhakablues
February 24, 2008, 11:52 PM
Another Alok in the making. If someone doubts Pilots batting,, look into his average, its way better than Rahim. He was once the wall when innings use to collapse and the tail-enders used to score.. For test, he was needed to support Sakib/Aftab. Either way, if good sense prevails, the selectors will get out of their ego and give him his good-bye match and hope that we can push SA again. For ODIs,, we took chances with Junaed/Farhad/Mehrab,,, we should do that with Dhiman. Mushfique is no Ashraful or Razzaque that is irreplacable for ODIs. So it wont have an impact if we try out Dhiman in home turf than oversease. Either way,, I think Mushfique himself should have a chat with the Team Manager, Rumi, ask for a break and force his way back to the squad with performances that we all thought of him as the little wonder.Ashraful did it, Nafis did it, Razzaque did it,,, so can he. No point in accumulating fans wrath and depleting confidence at this point..

U-17, 1999
February 24, 2008, 11:57 PM
I am really surprised that people over here are sensible and have a good cricket view but what the hell our selectors are doing? are they deaf/blind??
I think these selection pannel is really worthless..

akabir77
February 25, 2008, 12:04 AM
play pilot in the 2nd test and let him retire
and play some one else in the ODI. if no one is found then get rajin to keep (i think he kept part time) but enough is enough.

And mr. bashar please retire.

akabir77
February 25, 2008, 12:07 AM
I knew few months back that this post is going to come.....I was strongly arguing against dropping Pailot.......but so many here were soo impressed with Mushfiq that.....what i can say....

For the last 14 years....we did not have to think for the man behind the stamps....and few months back.....everyone went agaisnt Pailot.....without any strong reasons....

Anyway......It is almost late.....I am not sure about the mental state of Pailot as he wanted to retire and wanted to retire by playing a match........so not sure whether we can get same Pailot or not......but we can definitely try before its too late.

Pailot had minimum 2-3 years of cricekt left in him.....and only the selectors are to blame for if Bangladesh cricket is going deprived of his service........


No you are wrong musfiq got in becuase of his form and he was the right choice than. but now since pilot got back some of his form back and since mushi is in bad form he should be in for his last test.

BTW no reason have you seen what pilot did before he got dropped? Even in the local games?

SOme fans just jump on to something...:timeout:

yaseer
February 25, 2008, 12:27 AM
No you are wrong musfiq got in becuase of his form

Before selection, where Mushfiq shoed his form?? Look at his average in domestic...

Te select Mushfiq everyone tried to make Pailot look worse than he actually was at that time.....even they tried with female scandals as well

desirocker
February 25, 2008, 12:30 AM
Man, this is intolerable, did u guys see him missing another stumping few minutes before the match ended today. Rafique would have had 99 atleast.... i wish i could curz

razeea
February 25, 2008, 12:30 AM
I absolutely agree with you in the point that Mushfiq had enough. With no contribution in batting he can't even do any decent job as a keeper, other than shouting and screaming only. But seriously, who cares about how we the fans feel about our team. Those IDIOT SELECTORS will continue to ruin the dreams of all the Bangladeshi fans and well wishers by making non sense and controversial choices. Do those selectors eat rice or sheet.......a one year old has better sense than them.

desirocker
February 25, 2008, 12:36 AM
batting???? i dont care about musfiq batting.
but why the hell he dropped catch and stamping????? if he could hold the catch and do that easy stamping, it would have been a close match. he sux big time.. he cant catch, he cant do easy stumping, damn him.

That's exactly wat im talking about. I wouldnt worry about his batting. But that dude is blowing off our chances of victory... I mean who knows man, if he had got those 2 stamping, the result would have been different. I don't wanna regret about past but for sure, but i certainly don't want to see myself regreating about the same issue in near future. Just give him rest for a while. Give Dhiman a chace. Let pilot have a farewell.

rafiq
February 25, 2008, 12:51 AM
Mushfiq is batting very low down the order, and it can't be helping much. Bangladesh needs to go into the second test with a proper 4 man bowling lineup, and drop a batsman like bashar who is done and should be gone. This will move Mushfiq up one slot and I think you will get better returns from him.

It's his wicket keeping that is not up to Pilot's level for sure, at least not yet. But dropping him in the middle of the series will not accomplish anythig and is highly unlikely.

lamisa
February 25, 2008, 12:53 AM
oh come on people,stop bashing this poor guy.even sangakara misses a few stumpings or catches once in a while.he kept pretty well in this test and batted pretty well too.now look here,i know that its too early for him 2 play tests but look,we dont have an alternative.i know that we r gambling with him as playing so frequently in this level can either devastate him or make him a golden boy but do we have other options?

lamisa
February 25, 2008, 12:56 AM
off topic:will someone please explain to me how the countdown given above works?how come 217 days?

Murad
February 25, 2008, 01:04 AM
off topic:will someone please explain to me how the countdown given above works?how come 217 days?

Not 217 days

It says 3 days 21 hrs 55 days left till the 2nd Test begin on 29th Feb.

Gowza
February 25, 2008, 01:08 AM
oh come on people,stop bashing this poor guy.even sangakara misses a few stumpings or catches once in a while.he kept pretty well in this test and batted pretty well too.now look here,i know that its too early for him 2 play tests but look,we dont have an alternative.i know that we r gambling with him as playing so frequently in this level can either devastate him or make him a golden boy but do we have other options?

yes there are other options/alternatives to rahim, dhiman is the obvious choice, especially since pilot is about to retire.

arifur81
February 25, 2008, 02:40 AM
o fickle fans! the same guys who were baying for mashud's blood a month back, suddenly find him to be our savior during crisis. What did Mashud really do to deserve his spot back? Not a whole lot, right?
Mushfiq has been struggling with the bat. But did you see his dismissals during this test? The first innings he hung around, and stitched together a crucial partnership with Mortaza before getting out to a great yorker. In the second innings he never actually got out. His glovework has definitely improved, and imo he is not lagging behind pilot in that department.We have never had a keeper who has the technique and temperament to bat in the top 6. He might be out of form but he will come good sooner rather than later. Seems like Siddons and Co. know the value of little Mushy, we should have some more faith in him too.

Bahi jan apnar comments dehika to mone hoitase apne ekjon Mushfiq vokto, 100% for your feelings and support for your favourite player but facts remains the same that he (Mushfiq) has done nothing outstanding for the team and the stumping which he was missing its just not on, sorry If I have hurted you with my comments but as said earlier truth and the facts we can not denie. (It is just my opinion, nothing personal):o

Dhakablues
February 25, 2008, 03:07 AM
Batting down the order,, Gilchrist scores tons of runs, batting down the order even Boucher scores runs..Where does Dhoni or Akmal bat? In fact, there are very few WKs that bats up the order in tests because for Test, only specialists batsman are up the order. For ODIs, you can argue that Gilchrist, Dhoni bats up the order but seriously man,, you cant compare Mushfique with Ashraful/Aftab/Nafees let alone Dhoni or Sangakkara.. He has no batting quality to be up the batting order. Especially not with his stats being as it is. Only time he scored better up the order was against the India match ( his only notable performance since his debute 2 years back). Batting up or down the order doesnt make a batsman a better or worse batsman.

BD-Shardul
February 25, 2008, 03:23 AM
If he doesn't play, how some fans gonna see his cute face? :-D

sadi
February 25, 2008, 09:33 AM
Batting down the order,, Gilchrist scores tons of runs, batting down the order even Boucher scores runs..Where does Dhoni or Akmal bat? In fact, there are very few WKs that bats up the order in tests because for Test, only specialists batsman are up the order. For ODIs, you can argue that Gilchrist, Dhoni bats up the order but seriously man,, you cant compare Mushfique with Ashraful/Aftab/Nafees let alone Dhoni or Sangakkara.. He has no batting quality to be up the batting order. Especially not with his stats being as it is. Only time he scored better up the order was against the India match ( his only notable performance since his debute 2 years back). Batting up or down the order doesnt make a batsman a better or worse batsman.


Well don't really want to get into the debate whether Mushfiq should be in the team or not. I am sick of him not scoring runs as well but I do see how bringing him up the order may help get back into form. You can't really compare him with Gilly, Boucher or Dhoni. These batsmen are hard hitter of a cricket ball and can scores runs really quick and thus, can play with the lower order. Mushfiq is a grafter and need a long time in the crease for a big innings. I would compare his batting style with Rajin (Desi) or Prince. Again, maybe a break is good for him and thats a totally different issue but if we want to utilize his batting talent, he must bat up the order.

Dhakablues
February 25, 2008, 10:42 AM
No point in debating,, because he is still the golden boy. Check this out:
http://www.bdnews24.com/bangla/details.php?id=21158&cid=5
[বাংলা]উইকেটকিপার হিসেবে তাদের দু'জনের মধ্যে তুলনা করতে গিয়ে নির্বাচকরা বলে থাকেন, "উনিশ-বিশ"। খালেদ মাসুদ বিশ আর মুশফিকুর রহিম উনিশ। কিন্তু ব্যাটিংয়ে মাসুদের চেয়ে নির্বাচকরা মুশফিককে অনেক বেশি এগিয়ে রেখেছেন। এই বিবেচনাতেই গত বছর ওয়েষ্ট ইন্ডিজে অনুষ্ঠিত বিশ্বকাপ দলে ঢুকে গিয়েছিলেন। এখন টেস্ট দলেরও নিয়মিত সদস্য। কিন্তু পারফরম্যান্স কোথায়?

গত বছর শ্রীলঙ্কায় মোহাম্মদ আশরাফুলের সঙ্গে রেকর্ড ১৯১ রানের পার্টনারশিপে ৮০ রান করা ছাড়া আর কোনো উল্লেখযোগ্য স্কোর নেই। তার ১৪ টি টেস্ট ইনিংসের মধ্যে দ্বিতীয় সর্বোচ্চ ১৯ রান। এখন উইকেটের পেছনে বাজে পারফরম্যান্সও তার অন্তর্ভুক্তি নিয়ে প্রশ্ন তুলে দিয়েছে। আগের দিন রফিকের বলে অ্যাশওয়েল প্রিন্সের স্টাম্পিং মিস করেছেন। ঢাকা টেস্টের চতুর্থ দিন সকালেও একই বোলারের বলে এবি ডি ভিলিয়ার্সকেও স্টাম্পিং করতে পারেননি। তাই সংবাদ সম্মেলনে কোচ জেমি সিডন্সকে মুখোমুখি হতে হলো অনেক প্রশ্নের। আর জবাব দিতে গিয়ে বাংলাদেশ দলের কোচও মিডিয়াকে দাঁড় করিয়ে দিলেন কাঠগড়ায়। মিডিয়ার কারণেই নাকি পারফরম করতে পারছেন না মুশফিকুর রহিম!

মুশফিকের পক্ষ নিয়ে বললেন, "আজকেও ও একটা স্টাম্পিং মিস করেছে ঠিকই। এজন্য আমি কোনো অজুহাতও দিচ্ছি না। তবে এটা মিস করেছে বলে এমন কিছু এসেও যায় না। ও-ই দেশের সেরা উইকেটকিপার।" কিন্তু দায়িত্ব নেওয়ার অল্পদিনের মধ্যেই কী করে জেনে গেলেন যে মুশফিকই দেশের সেরা উইকেটকিপার? জবাবে বললেন, "আমাকে বলা হয়েছে যে মুশফিক দেশের সেরা উইকেটকিপার। আর আমি কিন্তু নির্বাচক নই।" নির্বাচকদের কাছ থেকেই শুনেছেন বলে বোঝা যাচ্ছে। এই পজিশনে অভিজ্ঞ কাউকে আনার ব্যাপারেও খুব একটা আগ্রহী মনে হলো না তাকে, "আপনি সবসময়ই অভিজ্ঞদের দলে নিয়ে আসতে পারেন। কিন্তু একই ফল হবে। আমি সেটা করবো না। আর প্রত্যেক তরুণ উইকেটকিপারেরই ক্যারিয়ারের শুরুর সময়টা এমন কঠিন যায়।"

এতোটুকু পর্যন্ত ঠিক আছে। কিন্তু সিডন্স যে মুশফিকের কঠিন সময়ের জন্য মিডিয়াকেও দোষারোপ করতে ছাড়লেন না, "আপনারা তাকে বাদ দেওয়ার কথা বলে ওর ওপর প্রচন্ড চাপ তৈরি করছেন। এটা ওর উপকার করছে না। ও-ই আমাদের সেরা কিপার। যদি ওর চেয়ে ভালো কাউকে পাওয়া যায়, তাহলে আমাদের ভবিষ্যতের জন্য ভালো। তার নামটা আমাকে জানালে ভালো হয়।" [/বাংলা]

bdchamp20
February 25, 2008, 10:53 AM
No you are wrong musfiq got in becuase of his form and he was the right choice than. but now since pilot got back some of his form back and since mushi is in bad form he should be in for his last test.

BTW no reason have you seen what pilot did before he got dropped? Even in the local games?

SOme fans just jump on to something...:timeout:
Pilot got his form back? When and where did he he show his form? But I do agree that as a formality we should let him play the 2nd test and retire..and I think in a squad of 15 we should have 2 keepers in ODIs and Mushfiq and Dhiman should be the 2.

pocha
February 25, 2008, 10:58 AM
Our coach wants to have longer honeymoon with Mushy inspite of repeated golden eggs and poor wicketkeeping. Seems like he is brainwashed by selectors and giving a blind eye to his performance. Pressure and media is baseless excuse, every player has to take this in their career. Dissapointed.

Eshen
February 25, 2008, 11:09 AM
Disappointed to see Siddons is babying the players. Asking the media not to create pressure on a player ! Sounds pathetic.

arifur81
February 25, 2008, 11:18 AM
GUYS CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/index.php?newsID=5115&pageTitle=details&editionID=280

bdchamp20
February 25, 2008, 11:24 AM
GUYS CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/index.php?newsID=5115&pageTitle=details&editionID=280
Whats wrong with Siddons? For some weird reason he wants the squad to stay the same forever

akabir77
February 25, 2008, 11:34 AM
Pilot got his form back? When and where did he he show his form? But I do agree that as a formality we should let him play the 2nd test and retire..and I think in a squad of 15 we should have 2 keepers in ODIs and Mushfiq and Dhiman should be the 2.

At least he is not getting out in 10 balls like mushi is and he can occupy the crease. can u imagine what would have happen if for those 10/11 runs pilot occupied the crease for 1 or two hours. That could have made SA bat in a spinning pitch by that time...

Anyway we don't have any other replacement right now who is far better keeper than mushi but at least batting little better than him...

akabir77
February 25, 2008, 11:34 AM
to add to that 1 or 2 hour occupying the pitch if those stumps where done who knows what would have happen?

akabir77
February 25, 2008, 11:38 AM
Before selection, where Mushfiq shoed his form?? Look at his average in domestic...

Te select Mushfiq everyone tried to make Pailot look worse than he actually was at that time.....even they tried with female scandals as well

Please don't start that puran pachal again. at that time that was the right decision. we need to drop pilot at that time and there was none better than mushi in the pipe line. and didn't he scored that all important 50 against India in the WC?

Its that same reason pilots should get selected because there r no replacement in the pipe line.

If we had in both times a third keeper could have gotten in easily but because of our management we don't have one...

BTW even before Mushi got in as a keeper he was in the playing 11 for his batting? forgot his score in the warm match in england? There were other players in the team who had worse avg than him in local games. he got in cause of his U19 games just like some other U19 team players in the NTL.

AT that time local league was very weak. and they were selecting players from U19!!!

Fazal
February 25, 2008, 11:55 AM
No bhola bhala Hashi and chikon golar chilla chilli anymore? How that can be possible?

Tigers_eye
February 25, 2008, 12:04 PM
GUYS CHECK THIS ARTICLE OUT http://www.bangladesherkhela.com/index.php?newsID=5115&pageTitle=details&editionID=280
It is clear who are selecting the 11. Selectors are main culprit.

lamisa
February 25, 2008, 12:12 PM
yes there are other options/alternatives to rahim, dhiman is the obvious choice, especially since pilot is about to retire.

not exactly @ this moment though,not for tests @least.

lamisa
February 25, 2008, 12:15 PM
If he doesn't play, how some fans gonna see his cute face? :-D

true,true!!everytime i feel disappointed in him,his innocent face makes my anger fade away.:saint:

pocha
February 25, 2008, 01:25 PM
It is clear who are selecting the 11. Selectors are main culprit.

Our selectors should be banned and thrown into the Bay of bengal. Hell with these rubbish selection policy. I still cant understand how they blocked Rafiq from playing in NZ. Shala juto diya mara uchit. In my opiion Dhiman Ghosh should be given a chance.

cricket_pagol
February 25, 2008, 01:37 PM
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Siddons stands by Rahim
Bishwajit Roy

It took only forty-five minutes on the fourth morning to see the South Africans complete their job to take a 1-0 lead in the two-Test series against Bangladesh.

Interestingly, the post-match briefing was much longer than the day's action. The victorious skipper Graeme Smith and man-of-the-match Jacques Kallis made a short presence on the podium and home captain Mohammad Ashraful was also not in a mood to have a long conversation with the media.

It was however Bangladesh coach Jamie Siddons, the man who loves to share his ideas with the press, who took centre stage as the Australian had his first real salvo with the media regarding his policy about the 'future team'.

The shaven-headed coach came down hard when asked in which criteria wicketkeeper Mushfiqur Rahim is continuing his place in the team. The criticism has been loud, not only because of Mushfiq's poor keeping but also because of his batting, for which he took over the reins from veteran Khaled Mashud.

The right-hander was nowhere among the runs since he made a well-composed 80 against Sri Lanka and has scored only nine runs in the first Test at Mirpur.

"I think he is the best wicketkeeper in the country. You guys (media) are putting enormous pressure on him with talks of getting rid of him. It's not helping him. He is our best keeper; if you can find a better keeper who is good for our future, let me know. I am looking forward to seeing him.

"I am not a selector. I was told he is our best keeper. I have seen a couple of other wicketkeepers. We can always bring the experienced players and have the same result; I am not going to do that. Every young wicketkeeper is going to get it hard in his first couple of years," he said while defending Mushfiq.

Siddons had also some explanation behind Mushfiq's poor keeping in the match.

"He missed one (chance) today, but I don't think it would have made any difference. But there is no excuse for missing, but it was something very tough on a wicket on the left-side that had unpredictable bounce," he said.

At one stage, he was reminded that every foreign coach, after his arrival, found a lot of potential in a single player but suddenly lost interest in that blue-eyed boy.

When asked how to get rid of the phenomena, he responded: "If you keep picking on a young player, you are going to force him out of the team. You should give him time to prove himself. The young players that we have got in this team have the talent to improve and I am happy to stick with him for as long as I am here."

He however said that he has a lot of work to do with his charges.

"At the moment our batsmen are collapsing and we can lose five for 30 or six for fifty-odd. It is difficult to cover; we are working on having a winning habit, big partnerships -- that we are not doing at the moment. We have a lot of work to do," he opined.

"We have played against a very good cricket team. The have created a lot of pressure on us and we are working to survive in that pressure. (Dale) Steyn was getting a lot of outswing, which turned into inswing for our left-handers," he said.

The main headache of the team is their poor batting and Siddons said that there was no recipe to come out from the problem other than hard practice.

"We have got eleven batsmen out there, who have different mindsets, different techniques, they have deficiency in their temperament, so I have got to work with every individual, not just any one. Unfortunately we don't have bowler who can bowl around 150 in practice matches. So it's very tough for these guys. So it will take time. We have got to do more practice," he said.
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Link: http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=24980

Although I am feeling a little impatient with Rahim, but I will support siddons on this one.

zainab
February 25, 2008, 01:37 PM
Blame Siddons and the selectors. They should have looked at the option of having 2 wicketkeepers in the National team, one for tests and one for ODIs. This works very well for SL. Pilot has retired now, they must look at training another wicketkeeper, but
he has to be gradually exposed in the National side to prove himself. Rahim has been keeping for one year. He should have never been put i n the test side, but because of Mashud's poor form in batting, he was brought in the test side.At that time, they had no other choice, but he rewarded them by making 80 runs and building a partnership of 191 with Ashraful. i blame the selectors. Since the day Mashud was dropped in SL, they should have looked at another wicketkeeper.
I feel sorry for poor Rahim. He has enthusiasm and spirit and i am sure he wants to perform well, but is out of form and should not play in tests for his own sake. He is still young, and his inclusion in the A team will give him back his confidence.
At the moment, they cannot change in midstream.

LateCut
February 25, 2008, 01:44 PM
Can someone post video highlight of the dropped catch and missed stamping chance? Jimmy thinks it was a hard chance. How about the stampling? It should be a regulation stamping chance fot Rahim unless that was an arm ball by Rafique. Even then it is very unfortunate.

sadi
February 25, 2008, 02:02 PM
The one stumping that he missed in fourth day morning was down the legside and it was quite a hard chance. Plus some commentators thought De Villers stepped out only after seeing Mushfiq missed to catch the ball.

zainab
February 25, 2008, 02:17 PM
It is difficult to agree or disagree wih coach Siddons. He is the one in charge and he must have seen something in Mushy to say these things.Also, it is not wise to change in midstream. Even though Mushy is making mistakes, he knows the way each bowler bowls, he anticipates the way the ball moves. To bring in someone else now, who has no experience with these bowlers is asking for more truble, and I think Siddons has realized this. One has to see it from his point of view that he has no other option now.
I wonder why he was not asked about Bashar. i would have liked to hear his response.
I like Mushy, he has been keeping wickets since the world cup, which is just one year, and IMO, he has improved.
Sanghakara, Gilchrist, Boucher, Dhoni took years to become good keepers. I think after the Ireland series, Siddons will look into training another wicket keeper.

akabir77
February 25, 2008, 03:21 PM
I have a question why did the reporters ask JS about Mushi when there is a bigger failure in the team? Why didn't they ask why bashar is in the team? I think our incompetent reporters r trying to put pressure to get pilot in.

I know Mushi needs to be rested but we have bigger problem in the team then him.

Why wasn't there a single q about bashar? is there any reporter in BC? please answer me? i want to see the logic here...

Murad
February 25, 2008, 03:23 PM
Because everyone loves Bashar. Everyone living in the past.

Selectors bolen ar reporter bolen.. shobai

Omio
February 25, 2008, 04:08 PM
Pilot going to play ctg test.

pocha
February 25, 2008, 04:10 PM
Pilot going to play ctg test.

Are you a selector?

Fazal
February 25, 2008, 04:12 PM
Are you a selector?

No Omio is selector's bhatiza

Omio
February 25, 2008, 04:14 PM
No Omio is selector's bhatiza
E-)

Dhakablues
February 25, 2008, 04:15 PM
No Omio is selector's bhatiza

Is the Bhatiza of the Cheap(h) selector or the Pati-selectors? :D,

BangladeshFan
February 25, 2008, 04:23 PM
these cute faces get more chances than they deserve. thats the advantage of good look!:D

Gowza
February 25, 2008, 05:21 PM
not exactly @ this moment though,not for tests @least.

dhiman was the best keeper in the FC NCL matches this season, he topped the dismissals list and he has a better FC NCL record with the bat than rahim. if dhiman shouldn't be there then neither should rahim, surprisingly pilot has a better FC NCL batting average than both rahim and dhiman.

Zobair
February 25, 2008, 05:57 PM
We should stick with Mushfiq. Hopefully he will have better luck next match.

djnaved
February 25, 2008, 08:41 PM
We should stick with Mushfiq. Hopefully he will have better luck next match.

so if mushy then we should stick with haba also, hopefully he will have better luck next match:-D:mad:

Zobair
February 25, 2008, 09:07 PM
Yes I agree. Afterall Bashar is only 19 and has his whole career in front of him!

so if mushy then we should stick with haba also, hopefully he will have better luck next match:-D:mad:

AsifTheManRahman
February 25, 2008, 09:36 PM
Let's see who in this forum thinks he/she knows better than Siddons now. If you have a new player in the side - who is also "the best wicketkeeper in the country" - you stick by him: you or the media has no job putting pressure on him by asking for his head.

Mahir
February 25, 2008, 09:53 PM
Mushfique is NOT the biggest problem in the team. Sort the rest of the issues out first and then you guys are welcome to bash the kid (oh sorry, the "golden boy") to your heart's content.

Let's see who in this forum thinks he/she knows better than Siddons now. If you have a new player in the side - who is also "the best wicketkeeper in the country" - you stick by him: you or the media has no job putting pressure on him by asking for his head.

:up:

detroitpagla
February 25, 2008, 11:08 PM
I think M. Rahim has someone from upper level backing him up. I smell Dhiman Ghosh very soon!

Murad
February 25, 2008, 11:11 PM
Shudu zero na marlei hoi..

we wouldnt complain if he scores 30+ scores in some innings. he hasn't made a double digit score in his last 7/8 innings. its not helping him and the team.

both he and mash should take break from cricket for sometimes.

auntu
February 26, 2008, 05:52 AM
I was allwayz fillin dat Mushi played test a bit early. pilot should have played some more then musi can get in.

I wonder how many threads i have to post about Mushi!

BD-Shardul
February 26, 2008, 06:08 AM
I was allwayz fillin dat Mushi played test a bit early. pilot should have played some more then musi can get in.

I wonder how many threads i have to post about Mushi!

Why complain man? don't you know that our players learn slowly? That's why we exposed this golden talent in the test arena as early as possible so that can take his time to learn and become a platinum boy when retires. :hairpull::hairpull::hairpull::hairpull:

tiger_army
February 26, 2008, 07:38 AM
im ready to bet 500 dollars. Lets give chance Dhiman/pilot rest of the series, there will be another bashing thread for either Dhiman or Pilot whoever gona get chance...We Bangalies r seriously lack of patience. these Bashing threads are in our blood.

zainab
February 26, 2008, 02:54 PM
i dont know if anyone has read this:

‘No more Mushfiq please…’
Staff Correspondent

It seems the honeymoon for Australian cricket coach Jamie Siddons with Bangladesh is over as he has been widely criticised by the fans on Tuesday for publicly defending under-performing wicketkeeper Mushfiqur Rahim.
Mushfiq squandered at least two stumping chances in South Africa’s second innings and made only nine runs in two attempts in the first Test in Mirpur that Bangladesh lost by five wickets.
Siddons batted a long time for Mushfiq in the post-match press conference terming him the best wicketkeeper Bangladesh has at the moment. He also shifted the blame on the media for creating enormous pressure on the player with talk of his removal.
‘Our coach wants to have longer honeymoon with Mushy (Mushfiq) inspite of repeated golden eggs and poor wicketkeeping. Seems like he is brainwashed by selectors and giving a blind eye to his performance,’ a fan wrote on the Banglacricket.com, a website for the Bangladeshi fans.
‘Disappointed to see Siddons is babying the players. Asking the media not to create pressure on a player! Sounds pathetic,’ added another fan in the same website.
The popular website had a long debate over the performance of Mushfiq after the first Test with most of the participants taking a swipe at the selectors for constantly standing by their man.
‘It’s a hard job to bowl in Test cricket and if you miss a chance then 9 out of 10 times world-class players will make you pay for your mistake. And we all know Mushfiqur always does this kind of mistake which costs us a great deal. I don’t understand why we are using him in Test cricket,’ said a fan.
‘I absolutely agree — that Mushfiq had enough. With no contribution in batting he can’t even do any decent job as a keeper, other than shouting and screaming only. But seriously, who cares about how we the fans feel about our team,’ lamented Razeea, another cricket fan.
‘Mushfiq badly needs a break that will help him to get better and come back as a better batsman. He is developing as a keeper and is almost par with Pilot but his batting is now even worse compared to other options,’ said Miraz, the editor of the website.
‘People keep telling me Rahim’s batting will come good but if you look at the kid’s batting record at all levels (u-19, A team, NCL, national team) he’s never been a consistent batsman, he averages under 30 in all formats in all levels except for u-19 cricket where he averages 33 but 33 isn’t that great,’ commented another fans.
Most of the fans agreed that the selectors should now consider Dhiman Ghosh, the wicketkeeper of the GP-BCB
Academy side, at least in one-day and go back to Khaled Mashud for Tests.
‘If good sense prevails, the selectors will get out of their ego and give him (Mashud) his goodbye match. For ODIs… we took chances with Junaed/Farhad/Mehrab … we should do that with Dhiman,’ said a fan from USA.


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Banglacricket is featured here as saying that fans here wants him out. Why is it that they did not pick up on the blatant fact that fans wants Habibul Bashar out also, who IMO is having a free ride by occupying a seat as a privileged spectator.

At least Mushy does some work behind the stumps.

kalpurush
February 26, 2008, 03:09 PM
We should stick with Mushfiq. Hopefully he will have better luck next match.
He was wrongfully given out by the umpire in the 1st Test. Hope, it doesn't happen again in the 2nd Test!:-D

Ehsan
February 26, 2008, 03:10 PM
Zainab, source please. Where did you find the article?

akabir77
February 26, 2008, 03:13 PM
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Banglacricket is featured here as saying that fans here wants him out. Why is it that they did not pick up on the blatant fact that fans wants Habibul Bashar out also, who IMO is having a free ride by occupying a seat as a privileged spectator.

At least Mushy does some work behind the stumps.

Please post the source...

Also I agree i think Mushi is our second head ache here. The first one you nailed it...

What the hell are the reporters doing here trying to work for Pilot?

akabir77
February 26, 2008, 03:15 PM
the thread opener looks like used us to get his article and the backup for pilot ;)

zainab
February 26, 2008, 03:20 PM
Sorry, I did not mention, but it is NEW AGE SPORTS based in BD. I read it on their website and was quite surprised that they mentioned Banglacricket forum.

Also. on the forum, there has been a lot of talk about everyone wanting Bashar dropped, but that was not mentioned at all, in fact no one asked Siddons. I wpuld have been happy to hear his response.

ammark
February 26, 2008, 03:21 PM
Seems like a dailystar* quote. Wow talk about selective quoting!! Very Disappointed.

*okay, sorry my bad... newage it is then. But still VERY shoddy journalism. I thought Sham is working for them now too! /:)

rah
February 26, 2008, 03:31 PM
we cannot complain on mushfiques batting atm, how can we expect him to perfrom if he comes in at to bat at 8:S he should be tested up the order and have more innings experience of being out there in the middle with our top order batsmen

Shaan
February 26, 2008, 03:37 PM
Seems like HABA is getting axed eventually, check this out :http://www.shamokal.com/details.php?nid=90394

zainab
February 26, 2008, 03:45 PM
Cannot read Bangla, Please an overview of a few lines in English. i will be so happy if he got axed and Reza brought in. He is a batsman, bowler and fielder. What is Bashar? to me looks brain dead.

Thanks

MarufH
February 26, 2008, 04:05 PM
Cannot read Bangla, Please an overview of a few lines in English. i will be so happy if he got axed and Reza brought in. He is a batsman, bowler and fielder. What is Bashar? to me looks brain dead.

Thanks

One of the BCB official said they offered Bashar to retire... otherwise he might be axed.... and they are talking about getting another genuine spinner in the team (Razzak) and Rajin to improve batting strength.

AsifTheManRahman
February 26, 2008, 04:19 PM
A couple of points regarding the article posted by Zainab:

1) English likhte na parle shalara Banglay likhe na ken? Ke koise eto koshto koira English journalist hoite?

2) The reporter sounds like my nani when she tries to weave a conspiracy theory surrounding her daughters-in-law. If I ever meet the guy in person, dot dot bleep bleep.

3) This just goes to show how banglacricket.com can provide fodder to people with no bloody skills looking at a career at journalism. We talk, they write, and the players read. There's a difference between constructive criticism and absolute bull dung, and if you're nineteen and under performing, it doesn't really help.

AsifTheManRahman
February 26, 2008, 04:22 PM
we cannot complain on mushfiques batting atm, how can we expect him to perfrom if he comes in at to bat at 8:S he should be tested up the order and have more innings experience of being out there in the middle with our top order batsmen

Bhaiya, this is the main problem. We make him bat at #8 and expect him to play like a #3. All that because our #3, or anyone in the top/middle orders for that matter, didn't do his job.

Chillate chaile chillano jaay, kintu ektu buddhi khatate ajkal onek taka poysha khoroch howe jaay mone hoy.

PS: As myself.

akabir77
February 26, 2008, 04:26 PM
Seems like HABA is getting axed eventually, check this out :http://www.shamokal.com/details.php?nid=90394

I will believe it when i see it or should i say won't see it!!!!/:)

djnaved
February 26, 2008, 05:07 PM
we cannot complain on mushfiques batting atm, how can we expect him to perfrom if he comes in at to bat at 8:S he should be tested up the order and have more innings experience of being out there in the middle with our top order batsmen

bro, it's not only about his batting, also about his keeping. Commentators also said that his arms are too small, and he closes his hand before he tries to catch a ball.


This are basic techniques of being a keeper, and if mushy don't know this things, he should be resigned.

zainab
February 27, 2008, 10:48 AM
In spite of all the talk and criticism about Mushy, Siddons will retain him. How can a wicketkeeper be changed in midstream. Dhiman has no internationl experience and Pilot is out of touch. Who else can they select? better to have someone who can perform at 90% rather than trying a rookie.

The bigger problem is Bashar and bringing in another bowler.

cracky
February 27, 2008, 12:29 PM
come on, any bowler can definitely score more than Bashar, bowling will be the bonus.


The bigger problem is Bashar and bringing in another bowler.

mshakir56
February 27, 2008, 01:08 PM
come on, any bowler can definitely score more than Bashar, bowling will be the bonus.

bang on target !

zainab
February 27, 2008, 03:49 PM
The bigger problem is Bashar and bringing in another bowler.


What I meant is dropping Bashar and bringing in another bowler. i also would like to see Reza playing. I feel that he deserves a chance.

Gowza
February 27, 2008, 04:41 PM
i think bashar and rahim are as bigger problems as each other, rahim atm is just as useless if not worse than bashar with the bat rahim has only made 8 more runs than bashar in their last 10 test innings and most of rahim's runs came from that 80 in sri lanka, if you just count their last 9 innings rahim has only made 42 runs at 4.6, bashar in the last 9 innings has made 98 runs at 10.8. so bashar recently has made more than double the runs rahim has. i don't have a problem with changing the keeper if it's going to better the team and at this point i think it will better the team and the reason i'd pick dhiman over pilot is because pilot is about to retire, dhiman could potentially help the team over the long term whereas pilot would be a very short term solution.

djnaved
February 27, 2008, 05:05 PM
vai, ami mushfiqer batting o keeping shomporke onek agea lickhchilam, onekei patta dei nai... r ekhon tara mushfiqer bipokkhe lekhe..

pocha
February 27, 2008, 05:09 PM
Please no Mushy and Haba anymore.Period.

BanCricFan
February 27, 2008, 05:18 PM
Golden Boy will be relieved of his duty only when his 'golden' average becomes a grand '0'!

Its good to show faith and trust in a young player but destroying his career is another thing. JS made a grave error by sticking with Mushy...hope I'm astoundingly wrong though.

auntu
February 27, 2008, 05:22 PM
vai, ami mushfiqer batting o keeping shomporke onek agea lickhchilam, onekei patta dei nai... r ekhon tara mushfiqer bipokkhe lekhe..

eitai hoi re bhai onner kotha pachal mone hoi, nijer kotha boktobbo mone hoi :shh:

Murad
February 27, 2008, 05:41 PM
Mushy er ekhon to jaa chance ache future e valo korar.. ar kichu din pore mone hoi na ta thakbe. 7 number e khelle ki run kora jai na.. not even in double digits? I meant 10/15/20?

Kintu o jodi erokom kore aro kichu match khele then or future e onek shomossa hobe abar team e dhukte..

He needs a break so badly.

akabir77
February 27, 2008, 05:42 PM
vai, ami mushfiqer batting o keeping shomporke onek agea lickhchilam, onekei patta dei nai... r ekhon tara mushfiqer bipokkhe lekhe..

Er maney ki? mushfiq was the only person available or in form when we needed to replace pilot. he did well that time didn't he? koi tokhon to dekhi nai aisha boltey bhalo hoisey pilot rey wc they kheley nai, ami bhull bolsi. ekhon or form kharap tai at least ami ekhon bolchi we should give him a rest cause we think about the team not like some one who supports people blindly....

Going or saying against Mushi now doesn't prove that he wasn't a the best option before WC. so stop saying that Mushi inclusion from the very beginning was bad which was not.

AsifTheManRahman
February 27, 2008, 05:50 PM
Why do people want to play Dhiman? What has he done to deserve a TEST spot? Sure, he'll probably make it to the test team one day, but now's probably not the right time. Besides, if Siddons says Mushy's glove work is the best that we can ask for at the moment, then he's probably on to something. He's not really your average street side drunkard, after all.

Even if we do replace Mushy with Dhiman, where are we going to play the latter? At #8? And expect him to provide results with the bat when we're down 6 or 7 wickets and the game's literally over? Even the best cannot survive long with tail enders all around them.

pocha
February 27, 2008, 06:04 PM
Why do people want to play Dhiman? What has he done to deserve a TEST spot? Sure, he'll probably make it to the test team one day, but now's probably not the right time. Besides, if Siddons says Mushy's glove work is the best that we can ask for at the moment, then he's probably on to something. He's not really your average street side drunkard, after all.

Even if we do replace Mushy with Dhiman, where are we going to play the latter? At #8? And expect him to provide results with the bat when we're down 6 or 7 wickets and the game's literally over? Even the best cannot survive long with tail enders all around them.

When someone is recklessly out of form he needs a break. Its good for Mushy if he takes a break and come back strongly. He is young and he can surely come back. I dont know whether Dhiman or Pilot will be the right person, but they cant be any worse at the moment. And we just cant depend on one single WK, we need a pool of good keepers and there is no harm in giving others a chance when the best keeper is terribly out of form for a very long period. If they fail we have nothing to loose but if they succeed we have everything to gain.Period.

Fazal
February 27, 2008, 06:11 PM
And we just cant depend on one single WK, we need a pool of good keepers and there is no harm in giving others a chance when the best keeper is terribly out of form for a very long period.


Exactly. We failed to do that when Pilot was there, and thats why we are suffering. And we are doing the same, which will give us more suffering in the future. We need to develop atlernate wicketkeeper(s) for our national team for situation like this. We need to give exposure by playing the 2nd wicketkeeper once in a while so that he is adequetly ready when he is called to substitue main wicket keeper for injury/giving him rest/long off-form.

AsifTheManRahman
February 27, 2008, 06:15 PM
If they fail we have nothing to loose but if they succeed we have everything to gain.Period.

And what do we do with these stop gap solutions when Mushfiq does make a come back or they do fail? Throw them out?

pocha
February 27, 2008, 06:20 PM
And what do we do with these stop gap solutions when Mushfiq does make a come back? Throw them out?

Why throw them out? Let the best in form keeper play. Let there be a healthy competition and let them fight for a place rather than we say we dont have any second option. it wont be possible unless we develop a pool of good keepers. No one should think he is invincible.

pocha
February 27, 2008, 06:21 PM
Exactly. We failed to do that when Pilot was there, and thats why we are suffering. And we are doing the same, which will give us more suffering in the future. We need to develop atlernate wicketkeeper(s) for our national team for situation like this. We need to give exposure by playing the 2nd wicketkeeper once in a while so that he is adequetly ready when he is called to substitue main wicket keeper for injury/giving him rest/long off-form.

Cant agree more.

Fazal
February 27, 2008, 06:22 PM
Competetion is good and needed for every position. Mushfiq is a good future prospect and eventually he (like anybody else) needs to come back backed up by perfomance only defeating his chalenge (who ever he is). If Musfiq can comeback thats great, if he doen't (i.e. some one else is playing better) then that not the end of BD cricket. BD cricket should move on with or without any particular player.

The Team is not for the players, but the players are for the team. The team management should cultivate competetion for every slot and more or less the best player should play for the team. Of course there will be some exception here and there, but the exception shouldn't be the norm.

GuruTM
February 27, 2008, 06:25 PM
People are not just happy with destroying Mushy's confidence and probably his carrer, now they want to destroy Dhiman's as well. I for one always thought that BC followers are well wishers of BD cricket. Its either we persist on Mushy or bring in Pilot. But no new comers. I for one is against bringing in new players before they are ready. BTW what has Dhiman done to warrant a test call? Or is it just you people are thinking that he has got some "TALENT". Its like Bangladeshi version of American idol, "Bangladeshi Talent". If i were Dhiman i would be seriously worried that you people saw some "TALENT" in me. Its not that i don't have "TALENT" but its you who lacks it severely would make me worry, seeing some "TALENT" in me.

jabbar
February 27, 2008, 06:30 PM
You've hit the nail on teh head with this comment:

Its about time to do some job that they have been picked for, selecting some good players not relatives!


This is at the heart of BD cricket's woeful form.

Gowza
February 27, 2008, 07:05 PM
dhiman has a much better NCL FC record than rahim. rahim averages 25.08 in 13 innings, dhiman averages 30.87 in 55 innings. who would you back? the guy who's played a handful of innings and has a poor average? or the guy who's played quite a lot of innings and has a reasonable average? i don't know about anyone else but i'd be backing the player who has a better average over a longer period of time. pilot imo isn't an option but only because he's retiring from test cricket in one match so he's not a long term option. dhiman imo isn't a stop gap measure, he could potentially be BD's #1 keeper long term in all formats. if pilot wasn't retiring i'd want pilot to be the test keeper.

djnaved
February 27, 2008, 08:41 PM
Er maney ki? mushfiq was the only person available or in form when we needed to replace pilot. he did well that time didn't he? koi tokhon to dekhi nai aisha boltey bhalo hoisey pilot rey wc they kheley nai, ami bhull bolsi. ekhon or form kharap tai at least ami ekhon bolchi we should give him a rest cause we think about the team not like some one who supports people blindly....

Going or saying against Mushi now doesn't prove that he wasn't a the best option before WC. so stop saying that Mushi inclusion from the very beginning was bad which was not.


bro ekhane former kotha ashtache nah, tar basic tehchniqeer kotha ashtache.. ami onek ager poste likhchilam je o inexpereienced,ok aro time dewa uchit.. koi nah, koyekjon bc member ulta aro koi or batting korar shomoi backlift dekso? o hoilo bd'r asher pore world class batsman, aro habijabi kotha barta....

amio bolchilam, shudhu apnader chokhe positive side pore, negative side gula pore na

mushfique oi wc 50 marar por theke tar batting o keepinge je inexperienced shieta ami agei buchhilam abong sheita wc chokhe porchilo,srilanka tour shesh howar por koyekdin por ami takea nia ekta thread khulchilam. he scored 80 runs at srilanka tour, i would say that was like achmoka innings. and also pilot was out of form that time, but selectors could look at dhiman that time.

I know dhiman got no international experience, but if selectors can pick sajidul where he had no experience in int cricket, then why not dhiman?

also, mushfiq je eiber ncl khelchilo, NZ tourer agea, tar bolar moto kono performancee chilo na..hoi 2 nahole 10 nahole 20...eirokom run korto

MarufH
February 27, 2008, 08:48 PM
What I see is BD Mushy getting another chance and getting dropped for ODI, typical BD way!

Hatebreed
February 27, 2008, 09:12 PM
Mushfiq's batting is a concern. If he doesn't contribute in the next match and may be ODI series if he plays, I think we should give Dhiman or someone else a chance. No matter the position, players must fight for it if there is competition. There shouldn't be an exception just because he's a wicket-keeper.

crikss
February 28, 2008, 12:31 AM
Whatmore was better atleast he gave some opportunity to Mushfiq ...Now Mushfiq always bat at no 8 position..

BD-Shardul
February 28, 2008, 01:27 AM
Whatmore was better atleast he gave some opportunity to Mushfiq ...Now Mushfiq always bat at no 8 position..



When Mushy played up the order and failed in the ODI series against SL, we fans said, "doler modhdhey SN, Ash er moto player thakte mushyr moto cute, masum polarey singher mukhe pathaise tin nombore." Now when he can't score runs coming at 8, we find fault with his batting position. Actually batting at 8 was a chance for Mushy to increase his average. Kintu gadha gets out.

Tahsin Chowdhury
February 28, 2008, 04:51 AM
i rememberd befor the World cup..da forum 's members all r against the K.masud Pilot..n now itz time 4 agn turn around 2 him...lol...Bd ppllz r really not patient wid som1...Not only in Games & sports bt evry sectors in our lif including Politics whr ewe can't thnk abt 1 Govrnmnt just keep changing n after som tim just throw them out....

roi
February 28, 2008, 05:24 AM
i rememberd befor the World cup..da forum 's members all r against the K.masud Pilot..n now itz time 4 agn turn around 2 him...lol...Bd ppllz r really not patient wid som1...Not only in Games & sports bt evry sectors in our lif including Politics whr ewe can't thnk abt 1 Govrnmnt just keep changing n after som tim just throw them out....


Spot on....Trust me...ppl will kill Khaled MAsud, if he includes to team and fails in next match. Shame on BC fans..............:floor::floor::floor:

thasan
February 28, 2008, 06:38 AM
batting???? i dont care about musfiq batting.
but why the hell he dropped catch and stamping????? if he could hold the catch and do that easy stamping, it would have been a close match. he sux big time.. he cant catch, he cant do easy stumping, damn him.

mushi was selected ahead of pilot because of his batting 'prowess' :-D

zainab
February 28, 2008, 06:59 AM
I have watched Mushy since the world cup and IMO he has improved a lot. I remember him being scolded by his team mates many times, he did not have much confidence, did not stand properly near the wicket when the ball was thrown for a run out. He has been at the job for a year. How long has Boucher, Dhoni, Gilchrist and Sanghakkara been keeping wickets? YEARS!!!
I feel that Siddons will look at an alternative wicketkeeper after the Ireland series is finished, and he will be eased into International cricket gently. Each national team should have 2 wicket keepers and this is where BCB has fallen short where they have put all their eggs in one basket.

Sohel
February 28, 2008, 09:11 AM
Mushfiq's batting is a concern. If he doesn't contribute in the next match and may be ODI series if he plays, I think we should give Dhiman or someone else a chance. No matter the position, players must fight for it if there is competition. There shouldn't be an exception just because he's a wicket-keeper.

Spot on.

Zainab my sister,

Dhiman was considered the 'natural successor' to Pilot before GoBoy arrived on the scene, and he's more experienced at the FC, U19 and Academy level than GoBoy was on his debut. Dhiman's back to 100s in Australia with the Academy is something GoBoy is nowhere near replicating at any level at this point IMHO. His batting has gone to soup and the additional pressure of his father being investigated for corruption, extortion and what not isn't making matters easier for him. I'm afraid if he's not rested soon, he may do some serious damage to his cricketing psyche. Let him rediscover his center through extensive FC, Academy and A-Team exposure and fight for a place he can sustain in the future. He's young and has plenty of time on his side to really adjust to the highest level, Inshallah.

Keeping-wise, not only Dhiman Ghosh but also Shahin Hossain is MUCH better than him IMO.

cricman
February 28, 2008, 09:29 AM
GOBOY did score a TON vs a full strength essex/sussex team, Siddons knows what he sees in him. I just wanted Mashud to a get a Farewell Test ... but since that isn't happening. Mushifiq needs to Bat Higher up, the best he can do @ #8 is get 7no, unless he has a well set partner with him which would allow himself to get set. GOBOY is GOBOY for a reason he GOBOY #2 behind the Captain, both Golden Boys will quiet there critics in this Test

Sometimes you just have to give the player some time, Ash got his time and still needs more time, a little more patience with Mushifiq and you'll see his real class

lamisa
February 28, 2008, 10:06 AM
dhiman was the best keeper in the FC NCL matches this season, he topped the dismissals list and he has a better FC NCL record with the bat than rahim. if dhiman shouldn't be there then neither should rahim, surprisingly pilot has a better FC NCL batting average than both rahim and dhiman.

but he does not have exposure to int'l cricket.

lamisa
February 28, 2008, 10:19 AM
though i stick with siddons point about mushy and strongly believe in him,i would say get dhiman prepared too.competetion should be good for that babyboy.

Gowza
February 28, 2008, 03:35 PM
but he does not have exposure to int'l cricket.

and at one point neither did rahim, neither does any player to begin with, but he's performed and deserves a chance (more than rahim imo).

Megh
February 28, 2008, 03:44 PM
really he shouldn't be in the team. he can't score runs and he even drops catches. he is being total failur. let's give him a break and let him get his confidence back. and meanwhile we can give Pilot a last chance for his career.

Eshen
February 28, 2008, 03:49 PM
Looks like Mushfiq is not going away that easily. I think it's good for Dhiman if he has fight harder for a spot in the national team. I like to see Dhiman scoring couple centuries (or atleast scores in 70-80 range) in the Dhaka premier league and forcing his way into the national team.

Tigers_eye
February 28, 2008, 04:08 PM
Looks like Mushfiq is not going away that easily. I think it's good for Dhiman if he has fight harder for a spot in the national team. I like to see Dhiman scoring couple centuries (or atleast scores in 70-80 range) in the Dhaka premier league and forcing his way into the national team.
Aren't we asking too much from Dhiman? Couple of centuries?? He had none in NCL's 26 innings (combined First class and List A) just few months back. All of a sudden he would be scoring centuries? Is Dhiman better than Shakib as a batsman?

Is Golam Mabud a wicket keeper?

I am not saying we stick with Mushi. But not sure if Dhiman is the right choice or not. May be K Masud still has something left to give.

Expecting whoever comes in for Mushi and perform in international level is just setting up a disaster to happen.

akabir77
February 28, 2008, 04:08 PM
Looks like Mushfiq is not going away that easily. I think it's good for Dhiman if he has fight harder for a spot in the national team. I like to see Dhiman scoring couple centuries (or atleast scores in 70-80 range) in the Dhaka premier league and forcing his way into the national team.

Exactly. I want to see a player getting in because of his form not because the guy he is replacing is off form...

roaring tigerz
February 28, 2008, 04:14 PM
Mushfiq is the real deal. He is here to stay. Live with it!

Dhakablues
February 28, 2008, 04:28 PM
Next test is not before 7 months, Bashar/Rafique is out.. in the mean time, Siddons himself needs to figure out our "Real Real" best XI based on real performance than relying on heresays and presumptive success and personal preferences by Selectors. I hope Mushfique makes it,, if not, lets not waste time on ANY, ANY AT ALL individual who is not the best we have... We must end this controversies about players selection that this new board started all over again.

Eshen
February 28, 2008, 04:40 PM
Aren't we asking too much from Dhiman? Couple of centuries?? He had none in NCL's 26 innings (combined First class and List A) just few months back. All of a sudden he would be scoring centuries? Is Dhiman better than Shakib as a batsman?

Is Golam Mabud a wicket keeper?

I am not saying we stick with Mushi. But not sure if Dhiman is the right choice or not. May be K Masud still has something left to give.

We are not playing any test match in next 7/8 months, so Mashud is out consideration. If we are looking for an oneday replacement for Mushfiq, it has to be Dhiman.

Dhiman has made few big knocks, including a century, when the academy toured Australia. He is a capable batsman for sure, he just needs to become more consistent.

akabir77
February 28, 2008, 04:51 PM
Next test is not before 7 months, Bashar/Rafique is out.. in the mean time, Siddons himself needs to figure out our "Real Real" best XI based on real performance than relying on heresays and presumptive success and personal preferences by Selectors. I hope Mushfique makes it,, if not, lets not waste time on ANY, ANY AT ALL individual who is not the best we have... We must end this controversies about players selection that this new board started all over again.

I heard him say in that interview that he will look into the local games next few months and not just for NTL but A team and so on...

zainab
February 28, 2008, 06:00 PM
Leave it to Siddons. I am sure that he will train another wicketkeeper/batsman to be in the national team, each national team must have two wicketkeepers. What happens if Mushy falls ill.

imon
February 29, 2008, 08:17 AM
Mushfiq is not in good touch either in batting or keeping. How he became the number 1 choice in case of replacement of Pilot? I don,t think his home cricket performance was very good. Why didn,t selector try with some one else as a keeper? Is there not enough wicket keeper in our country? Every new comer like Tamim, Junaid , Shariar Nafees, Shahadat has done some thing excellent. So we should have gave other keeper chance at least in practice matches.

Baundule
February 29, 2008, 09:56 AM
That way, we destroy our young cricketers and dump the better ones.
The first time Pilot was dropped (from the WC team), it was not for performance or anything about cricket, it was becauase of politics.
Habibul Bashar is destroyed with his captaincy, otherwise he used to be our best batsman by miles. He was completely enept in his captaincy and he needed a break from that job; but he was allowed to continue until he, as a player was also destroyed.

lamisa
February 29, 2008, 10:02 AM
Leave it to Siddons. I am sure that he will train another wicketkeeper/batsman to be in the national team, each national team must have two wicketkeepers. What happens if Mushy falls ill.

spot on!

djnaved
March 1, 2008, 02:04 PM
wow, ki jakanaka keeping, our golden dim missed two loppa catches yesterday:-D

zainab
March 1, 2008, 04:47 PM
Mushy performed a monumental task behind the wicket, to be there for nearly 2 days. this is no easy feat. You guys only see it one way. SA scored 570 runs, long time for a young 19 yr old to be behind the wicket. have some compassion. How many extras did he give away?

Even the most experienced older wicket keepers will miss a few after keeping wicket for nearly 2 days. Can you guess how tired he must be. Wicket keeping is the hardest job for a player. You have to be fit and alert all the time and second guess the ball the bowler will bowl.
I dont think that you fans here should bash him so much, after all, he is only a 19 yr old lad and he has done this in so many tests and ODIs.

Pundit
March 1, 2008, 04:53 PM
That way, we destroy our young cricketers and dump the better ones.
The first time Pilot was dropped (from the WC team), it was not for performance or anything about cricket, it was becauase of politics.
Habibul Bashar is destroyed with his captaincy, otherwise he used to be our best batsman by miles. He was completely enept in his captaincy and he needed a break from that job; but he was allowed to continue until he, as a player was also destroyed.

Get a grip man - Masud was gambling all night. That's why his career suffered.

Also, Cricket ain't your Davis cup. The team needs a captain, who has to play. You cannot expect to choose a captain out side of the top 11 and have him captain the team from the balcony. And Bashar was the senior most. Note also that under his captainship, the team did relatively better.

Pundit
March 1, 2008, 04:54 PM
Mushy performed a monumental task behind the wicket, to be there for nearly 2 days. this is no easy feat. You guys only see it one way. SA scored 570 runs, long time for a young 19 yr old to be behind the wicket. have some compassion. How many extras did he give away?

Even the most experienced older wicket keepers will miss a few after keeping wicket for nearly 2 days. Can you guess how tired he must be. Wicket keeping is the hardest job for a player. You have to be fit and alert all the time and second guess the ball the bowler will bowl.
I dont think that you fans here should bash him so much, after all, he is only a 19 yr old lad and he has done this in so many tests and ODIs.

Words from a wise man.

Spitfire_x86
March 1, 2008, 05:02 PM
Habibul Bashar is destroyed with his captaincy, otherwise he used to be our best batsman by miles. He was completely enept in his captaincy and he needed a break from that job; but he was allowed to continue until he, as a player was also destroyed.
Bashar is finished because of his age, as he is the kind of player who relies heavily on hand-eye co-ordination. His performance didn't suffer in the first 2 years of his captaincy.

djnaved
March 1, 2008, 05:31 PM
Mushy performed a monumental task behind the wicket, to be there for nearly 2 days. this is no easy feat. You guys only see it one way. SA scored 570 runs, long time for a young 19 yr old to be behind the wicket. have some compassion. How many extras did he give away?

Even the most experienced older wicket keepers will miss a few after keeping wicket for nearly 2 days. Can you guess how tired he must be. Wicket keeping is the hardest job for a player. You have to be fit and alert all the time and second guess the ball the bowler will bowl.
I dont think that you fans here should bash him so much, after all, he is only a 19 yr old lad and he has done this in so many tests and ODIs.


hmm that's what i see when mushy again missed two catches yesterday. And test cricket is a game where you have to field all day long,it's not about age. So, eishob boila luv nai.Bujlam shea 19 yrs old tana dui din keeping korse, kintu luv ki hoilo? ekto catch dhorte pare nai..o aro match chance paile, bd aro match harbo, no doubt about that

arafath79
March 1, 2008, 06:28 PM
Shalar pichi Rahim kintu Rafiquer 100 number wicket tao miss korsilo, bhaggo bhalo Junaid catch ta dhorse. Thanks to Junaid and thanks to Rafique again for his great performance in BD cricket. Rahim ra dhoira laathi diya team theke bair kora dorkar eibar jadi batting pitcha boro score na korta pare.

Rafiquer ball a catch ta jokhon miss korsilo amar tokhoni icha kortesilo M Rahim shalar dui gale duita chorom thabra dei.:mad:

GuruTM
March 1, 2008, 06:45 PM
Habibul Bashar is destroyed with his captaincy, otherwise he used to be our best batsman by miles. He was completely enept in his captaincy and he needed a break from that job; but he was allowed to continue until he, as a player was also destroyed.

Bashar is finished because of his age, as he is the kind of player who relies heavily on hand-eye co-ordination. His performance didn't suffer in the first 2 years of his captaincy.


Both statements are correct. They happened simultaneously.

pocha
March 1, 2008, 06:48 PM
Shalar pichi Rahim kintu Rafiquer 100 number wicket tao miss korsilo, bhaggo bhalo Junaid catch ta dhorse. Thanks to Junaid and thanks to Rafique again for his great performance in BD cricket. Rahim ra dhoira laathi diya team theke bair kora dorkar eibar jadi batting pitcha boro score na korta pare.

Rafiquer ball a catch ta jokhon miss korsilo amar tokhoni icha kortesilo M Rahim shalar dui gale duita chorom thabra dei.:mad:

The little Rahim needs a break dearly if we want to save his confidence if any is left, I doubt. His keeping to rafiq was appaling not just in this test but he missed a few in previous test too.

Antora
March 1, 2008, 06:59 PM
Rafiquer ball a catch ta jokhon miss korsilo amar tokhoni icha kortesilo M Rahim shalar dui gale duita chorom thabra dei.:mad:

LOL!!!! I think everyone felt that way!
He should really be rested.........
eto simple simple catch miss korey ei gadha ta

KnightBD
March 1, 2008, 07:14 PM
i am really frustated with mushi... he has been given way too many chances... i don't remeber any batting contribution from him after the game with India in WC. Siddon should look around for other options. He is too much an automatic choice now!!!

tiger_army
March 1, 2008, 07:33 PM
LOL!!!! I think everyone felt that way!
He should really be rested.........
eto simple simple catch miss korey ei gadha ta

Ahare tumi oke cal kore ektu boke dio......then nijer catch to dhorbei, even third slip er catch o dhorbe:lol:

arafath79
March 1, 2008, 10:20 PM
M Rahim catch miss, emonki stumping chance miss korar poreo kemon jani ekta bhab kora jeno kichui hoynai. Tar modhe next time bhalo korar kono jed dekhi na. Or hab bhab dekhla mejajta kharap laage.

djnaved
March 2, 2008, 04:24 AM
so, do we need to talk about mushfiqur rahim anymore? He is providing some terrifc thukko terrible perofrmance:mad:

pocha
March 3, 2008, 03:19 AM
so, do we need to talk about mushfiqur rahim anymore? He is providing some terrifc thukko terrible perofrmance:mad:

Mushy the cute golden boy E-)E-)

Will he be in the ODI too ? :sick:

cricket_pagol
March 3, 2008, 04:12 AM
Shalar pichi Rahim kintu Rafiquer 100 number wicket tao miss korsilo, bhaggo bhalo Junaid catch ta dhorse. Thanks to Junaid and thanks to Rafique again for his great performance in BD cricket. Rahim ra dhoira laathi diya team theke bair kora dorkar eibar jadi batting pitcha boro score na korta pare.

Rafiquer ball a catch ta jokhon miss korsilo amar tokhoni icha kortesilo M Rahim shalar dui gale duita chorom thabra dei.:mad:

To be fair, that was an extremely difficult chance for the keeper because it was a thick edge...

I am really frustrated with the lack of runs coming from his bat... I suspected something like would happen when he was performing poorly in the NCL.

zainab
March 3, 2008, 07:26 AM
With all this pressure from everyone. Mushy might be rested for the practice match and Dhiman Ghosh given a chance. Good venue to see how he fares.