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Fazal
March 3, 2008, 11:14 AM
We the fans, sometimes under-estimate and sometimes over-estimate a player's capabilities when we predicted his future contibution....
Here are few ....

Rana - Under estimated
Alok - Over estimated
Ash - Over estimated
Razzak - Under estimated
Shahadat - under estimated
Bashar - under estimated (all through his career)
Farhad - under estimated
Aftab (in TEST) - under estimated
Gullu - under estimated
Rasel - under estimated
Tushar - over estimated
... ofcourse its my opinion. So its debatable

Now the question is are will over estimating or under estimating the following players?
- Tamim
- SN
- Junaid
- Sakib
- Enamul
- Rahim

at this moment I don't have the under... only future cam tell.

SS
March 3, 2008, 11:19 AM
Is there anything under under estimation and anything over over estimation.

AsifTheManRahman
March 3, 2008, 11:24 AM
Now the question is are will over estimating or under estimating the following players?
- Tamim
- SN
- Junaid
- Sakib
- Enamul
- Rahim

at this moment I don't have the under... only future cam tell.

I think most fans are more or less spot on about the abilities of this bunch. They are all limited in what they can do and try to work within that and I doubt people expect them to be world beaters or sore losers on their own.

sadi
March 3, 2008, 12:01 PM
Rahim: I think we have over-estimated.
Tamim: Over-estimated in the beginning, then under-estimated... now just about perfect
SN: Same as Tamim
Sakib: Same as Tamim
Enamul: Under-estimated.
Zunaed: So far, so good

Tigers_eye
March 3, 2008, 12:13 PM
Rahim: I think we have over-estimated.
Tamim: Over-estimated in the beginning, then under-estimated... now just about perfect
SN: Same as Tamim
Sakib: Same as Tamim
Enamul: Under-estimated.
Zunaed: So far, so good
(just now) Averaged 6+ in a series and this is perfect? ;)

India'r shatey ki Enam rey over estimate kora hoi nai? How about NZ? Pitch yeah Vettori bowled in a different pitch. :)

The thing is before any series all our players are under estimated (90%). thinking they are better players and will shine this time. After the series we see even in those under estimation they were over over estimated (SS).

Tigers_eye
March 3, 2008, 12:15 PM
We the fans, sometimes under-estimate and sometimes over-estimate a player's capabilities when we predicted his future contibution....
Here are few ....

Rana - Under estimated
Alok - Over estimated
Ash - Over Over estimated
Razzak - Under estimated
Shahadat - under estimated
Bashar - under estimated (all through his career) [over over estimated last couple of years]
Farhad - under estimated
Aftab (in TEST) - under estimated [over over estimated]
Gullu - under estimated
Rasel - under estimated
Tushar - over estimated
... ofcourse its my opinion. So its debatable

Now the question is are will over estimating or under estimating the following players?
- Tamim [over estimated]
- SN [over estimated]
- Junaid [over estimated]
- Sakib [over estimated]
- Enamul [over estimated]
- Rahim [over over estimated]

at this moment I don't have the under... only future cam tell.
The blue ones are mine.

m
March 3, 2008, 12:20 PM
So what all this over-estimations tell us about Bangladesh's test capability in general?
1. Under under estimated.
2. Under estimated.
3. Just the right.
4. Over estimated.
5. Over over estimated.
6. Bangladesh is a test playing country: What! Are you kidding me?

Spitfire_x86
March 3, 2008, 12:25 PM
Tamim - Overestimated
Zunaid - Overestimated
Aftab - Overestimated
Ashraful - Way overestimated
SN - Overestimated
Sakib - Way overestimated
Bashar - Justified
Rafique - Justified
Farhad - Justified
Rahim - Overestimated
Rasel - Under estimated
Shahadat - Justified
Mashrafee - Overestimated
Razzak - Justified
Enamul - Overestimated

sadi
March 3, 2008, 12:27 PM
(just now) Averaged 6+ in a series and this is perfect? ;)

India'r shatey ki Enam rey over estimate kora hoi nai? How about NZ? Pitch yeah Vettori bowled in a different pitch. :)


In Tamim's case, I would give him a pass in this series since he wasn't fully fit and was short on match practice. I blame the selectors for playing him in this series when he wasn't fully ready.

Enamul in NZ is a different issue. First of all, it is unfair to compare him with Vettori. Compare him with spinners we have. Now, Warne was never quite successful in India when Oga moga like Rajesh Chauhan picked up wickets. It matters if you are used to the condition or not. Plus Enamul was bowling to NZ batsmen. Guess who Vettori was bowling at. :)

Ishtylish cricketer
March 3, 2008, 12:36 PM
This thread is ridiculous. Every bangladeshi player is overestimated. We don't have a single superstar. The more I follow bangladesh's cricket the sadder I get.

sadi
March 3, 2008, 12:39 PM
Well it depends. If you estimate them against other international players, then yes they are all over-estimated. But if you know what they are capable of ahead of time and estimate only an average of 20 from the beginning, then you can be spot on.

Tigers_eye
March 3, 2008, 12:47 PM
... Plus Enamul was bowling to NZ batsmen. Guess who Vettori was bowling at. :)
Ei jukti'r against'a shokol jukti fail.

Mash, Shahadat, M Rafique, Enam, Shakib, Abdur Razzak all would be par with the best bowlers in the world had they bowled against BD batsmen. In that case all are so unlucky.

Sadi, Ei gularey are fulaio na. :hairpull: Shobgula extremely over rated. Talent na chai, mathai kisu nai. Miracle chara kono win hobey na amader.

BD-Shardul
March 3, 2008, 12:52 PM
Good thread Mamu. Now a days I agree what you say in Bangladesh Cricket forum.

BD-Shardul
March 3, 2008, 12:59 PM
Moral of the thread: The whole BD team is over over estimated.

sadi
March 3, 2008, 01:04 PM
Mashrafee- overdisappointed

BANFAN
March 3, 2008, 01:23 PM
All are over over rated.

For one performance, we make someone super hero. First 50 of Junaid, we found a thread heading in BC 'The next super star'

if we all believe that a repeated poor peformance over a long period of time is necessary to criticize a player, similarly we also need to see a repeated good performance over the same period of time to make someone a superstar. That's balance, otherwise we will always overrate players.

Fazal
March 3, 2008, 01:26 PM
This thread is ridiculous. Every bangladeshi player is overestimated. We don't have a single superstar. The more I follow bangladesh's cricket the sadder I get.

A player does't need to be a star to be underestimated. He can be underestimated and still be below average player in International standard.

Ishtylish cricketer
March 3, 2008, 01:30 PM
A player does't need to be a star to be underestimated. He can be underestimated and still be below average player in International standard.

In that case they are should not be playing international cricket and definitely not worth estimating.

Fazal
March 3, 2008, 01:37 PM
In that case they are should not be playing international cricket and definitely not worth estimating.

They may not worth it, but the reality is: still we do and I am pretty sure we (some of the fans) will continue to do so.

al Furqaan
March 3, 2008, 02:32 PM
Now, Warne was never quite successful in India when Oga moga like Rajesh Chauhan picked up wickets. It matters if you are used to the condition or not. Plus Enamul was bowling to NZ batsmen. Guess who Vettori was bowling at. :)

exactly.

Sohel
March 4, 2008, 01:36 AM
Who we fans 'over' or 'under' estimate a young player's 'talent' and/or 'potential' has very little bearing on how our players APPLY themselves at the highest level, how consistently so and for how long.

A player over-estimating himself into a state of false and all too often ludicrous overconfidence will eventually lead to under-performance and their eventual demise.

It is always good to see "less talented" players like Rasel and Farhad (when it comes to his bowling, batting-wise he has always been a clean hitter of the ball with typical shot selection issues) continue to make progress at the highest level now, just as equally scrappy players like MH Rubel, Golam Mabud and my favorite, Abul Bashar are likely to do once they have the chance.

Talented and much improved players like Alok, and to a lesser extent, Mehrab Jr have get to overcome some of the purely psychological barrier to adjust better at the highest level. EXTENSIVE exposure to A-Team cricket may solve some of those issues for them when they're finally ready to apply themselves at the highest level in their late 20s Inshallah.

Other talented players like Nafees Iqbal seem to be stuck on stupid even at the domestic level while technically flawed batsmen like Tushar Imran and Mohammad Nazimuddin continue to post better numbers. Until you see them with your own eyes - provided that you actually care about a batsman playing through the line of delivery with a straight bat because of the relevance of such 'fundamentals' to succeeding at the highest level - those numbers alone usually translate into more wishful thinking.

Luckily, Alok Kapali, Nafees Iqbal, Nazmus Sadat, Jahurul Islam, Nayeem Islam, Imtiaz Hossain, Golam Rahman, Ghazi Salahuddin and Mohammad Nazimuddin among others have plenty of time to overcome their individual issues, both psychological and technical, by playing a lot of A-Team cricket once BCB comprehends its paramount importance in terms of bridging the huge gap in quality between the NCL and the highest level. Until that gap is bridged better, I don't think ANY of our players would be able to sustain their success in International cricket, as they have not been able to yet.

I've given up on Tushar and Shezan a while ago, and Rajin Saleh since this year's NCL. They're simply not good enough for International cricket. Then again, looking at our numbers, who amongst our players really is "good enough" with those averages and repeated mistakes they just can't seem to learn much from?