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Ishtylish cricketer
March 3, 2008, 01:24 PM
Given that our batsman are very inconsistent, do you think a chat with any current or former batsman would help to rectify their mistake or for young aspiring batsman in Bd whose batting do you guys think they should follow to become more consistent? Or are they better off playing with their natural talent develop their own way of becoming consistent. Batsmen are creatures of habit, if you have bad ones you are bound to fail. Too many of our current players had very bad batting habits, should youngsters then follow for instance, Ash's scoop pedal sweeps or learn to hit the ball crisply from someone like Ian Bell. I picked Ian Bell because he's not in the top echelon list (not yet at least) but if you watch him bat, you will get an idea of how much work he put into his batting. Textbook drives, pulls, etc don't come off by being lazy, tremendous amount of work goes it perfecting these shots. It's hard to learn by watching the bonified superstars because they are just that talent and most batsmen couldn't pull off those shots. The technique our batsman have is beyond horrible. It seems like apart from SN none of our players can play short pitch bowling and to add insult to that we can't play the subsequent full pitched balls that follow. Very poor stuff.

Tigers_eye
March 3, 2008, 01:29 PM
There are many great who can give tips to our batsmen. Dean Jones, Waugh brothers, Gavaskar, Sir Viv, Inzi, Ranatunga, De Silva and so many. Doesn't matter on how many come and teaches them on how to play the game in the nets. The only thing matters on how these boys apply those learnings in the middle. We are mentally weak. Siddons is working on it.

Tintin
March 3, 2008, 01:30 PM
Copy-pasting self from another thread :

All Bangladeshi batsmen must be made to watch Sachin Tendulkar's 241* at Sydney in 2004 before every Test match as a demonstration of what discipline in batting is all about and how not to let your ego hinder you from what you want to achieve.

Rommel
March 3, 2008, 03:06 PM
Abdur Razzak

Nafi
March 3, 2008, 03:10 PM
Tamim should follow gilchrist
Zunaid should follow Hayden
SN should follow Sangakarra
Ash should follow Tendulkar
Aftab should follow Ponting
Sakib should follow Uthappa
Mushi should follow Dravid

al Furqaan
March 3, 2008, 03:12 PM
good one from ro.

btw, tintin, SRT is a pseudo-divine figure. it makes as much sense as taking Christ as your example (by definition christ is divine and thus serves as a impossible-to-achieve standard).

apart from ashraful and aftab - who can physically (tho ash has only psychologically dominated like SRT on rare occaisions, while aftab is yet to do so) do everything tendy does - no one else in our team (or in the world for that matter) can replicate tendulkar's mastery.

watching dravid, ponting, ganguly, sanga or atapattu i feel is much more realistic for the other BD bats.

Tigers_eye
March 3, 2008, 03:22 PM
Abdur Razzak
Post of the thread / Month so far. I nominate post of the year. I would need a second to go forward.

Shobha
March 3, 2008, 03:30 PM
Abdur Razzak

hey! i was about to say that...:-D

JonBain
March 3, 2008, 03:40 PM
Starting from the bottom of a tough table has no quick fixes. I think zim and bangers should play every second test against the minnows, otherwise confidence will be a minefield. You guys have it really tougher than anyone. Watch what happens to Ireland when they come into the league in a few years time. Perhaps you should play a few games against zim and the other australian side whose name i shall not mention because of moral principle? That will give you the confidence you need.

You should not lose sleep after playing SA and OZ. The less these results mean to you - the better for you in the long term. you can't judge your team by this. I would have a few things to say to the groundsmen though - unless you guys were spilling catches - focus on your fielding even if you fielded well. Only SA takes advantage of this. Still no comments on your fieliding yet?

Fazal
March 3, 2008, 03:42 PM
Locally and for that particular TEST (2nd TEST against SA) they could have learned a lot by watching Razzak batting against the mighty SA bowlers.

JonBain
March 3, 2008, 03:47 PM
And a wicket suited just for my team? (South Africa) Who was dropping the catches? The bookies?

Rommel
March 3, 2008, 04:08 PM
Post of the thread / Month so far. I nominate post of the year. I would need a second to go forward.

haha thanks. Yea Razzak does not have the batting talent of a lot of our "talented" batsmen, but he has the correct mentality. He showed that you don't have to be able to play amazing reverse sweeps to be successful. Take the singles and put pressure on the bowlers. Eventually a bad ball will come and even Razzak can put it away. He knows how to bat in a Test match and he knows that you should not throw your wicket away. He did it once but he came back in the 2nd innings and batted sensibly. If Razzak can do it, our specialist batsmen better be able to do it.

Miraz
March 3, 2008, 04:12 PM
Sachin Tendulkar and Jacqeus Kallis.

JonBain
March 3, 2008, 04:43 PM
I think the only thing your batters should be following : is the groundsmen around the field whilst swinging their bats at him.

You guys are not giving your team credit. They obviously played extremely well in very tough conditions. Smithies guys dropped half a dozen? his comments about your side being too young is to distract attention away from a bunch of old men who cannot see straight.

Fazal
March 3, 2008, 04:46 PM
I knew it.... Belel Betayee Chooor.

Spitfire_x86
March 3, 2008, 04:52 PM
If this "having a chat" thing worked, by now we would have dozens of Tendulkar/Wasim Akram at our disposal.

nasimul
March 3, 2008, 05:25 PM
A test batsman have to be patient

akabir77
March 3, 2008, 05:33 PM
Bhai boro boro nam koiya oder bhorkey dawar kono proyojon nai.

At least Shumon er moto (in form) bat koretey parlai hobey...

Dhakablues
March 3, 2008, 06:20 PM
What Tendulkar does,, its impossible to master. He is a legendary player and cant be replicated,, just as Murli/Wasim cant be followed. All these greats had the extra-ordinary cricketing brain,, not just the skills. Our players have the skills, knows the shots but not the brain...

I think we should open up our league again as we used to in the 80s and invite this generation of Wasim Akram, Jayasuriya, Fairbrother like players. Look, India is doing what we started 20 years ago,, only with more money and planning. Our Dhaka league will be referenced during the IPL/ICL like events because we started it,, just that we didnt file the IP on it. Opening up our league will allow young cricketers to learn to play alongside the greats players to fix their techniques and improve their skills. We stopped that by restricting the quota to only 1. Thats total bull...

Anyways,, who should we follow? locally who is the highest run scorer to date? Our legends are limited to Nannu/Akram/Bulbul/ and I think had they been under competent coaches,,, we would've had our Kalis/Azhar/Abbas

nzfan
March 3, 2008, 06:24 PM
i have always wondered why minhajul abedin never played test cricket.... he wasplaying first class for the first 3 or 4 years that bangladesh had test status and averaged 51...

Dhakablues
March 3, 2008, 06:34 PM
They were considered too old in their 28-30 year old age. Our board said.." We wanted to build a team for the future"... and we kept our promise even today,, we are still "Wanting to build a team for future" and eliminate players over 28. We want to prove to the world that we can and will always build team for the future even if we keep on losing by innings or 9 wickets. A word is a word....

nzfan
March 3, 2008, 06:36 PM
hmm that is a shame really considering most of the european teams players dont make theit debuts until that age

zahid
March 3, 2008, 06:40 PM
Copy-pasting self from another thread :

All Bangladeshi batsmen must be made to watch Sachin Tendulkar's 241* at Sydney in 2004 before every Test match as a demonstration of what discipline in batting is all about and how not to let your ego hinder you from what you want to achieve.

Agree 100%

Sachin Tendulkar is a fantastic batsman. Well-skilled and just perfect!

Murad
March 3, 2008, 07:05 PM
Shivnarayan Chandarpaul.

This guy is a gem. The most conistent player in the world (IMO). And the most UNDER-RATED player.

Our players, especiallly Ashraful should follow him and learn how to make a good partnership.

BanCricFan
March 3, 2008, 08:06 PM
Ashraful is very consistent.

CricTiger
March 3, 2008, 08:36 PM
A test batsman have to be patientSo that a Doctor can be called.:timeout:

nzfan
March 3, 2008, 08:53 PM
consitant in his inconsistancy? it is a shame that a guy of his talent is letting himself go to waste. He is still oyung though so still has alot of time to grow into the role of an international cricketer

zahid
March 3, 2008, 09:03 PM
Shivnarayan Chandarpaul.

This guy is a gem. The most conistent player in the world (IMO). And the most UNDER-RATED player.

Our players, especiallly Ashraful should follow him and learn how to make a good partnership.

Kintu or deikha deikha moja powa jay na.

djnaved
March 3, 2008, 11:01 PM
i have always wondered why minhajul abedin never played test cricket.... he wasplaying first class for the first 3 or 4 years that bangladesh had test status and averaged 51...

ans: Cause of corrupted BCB:(

djnaved
March 3, 2008, 11:03 PM
BD players should follow mushfiqur rahim that how to score golden duck thukko diamond duck:-D

Antora
March 4, 2008, 02:51 AM
:up: i agree :DAbdur Razzak

Sohel
March 4, 2008, 02:55 AM
Kallis and Sangakkara.

BANFAN
March 4, 2008, 03:06 AM
Kintu or deikha deikha moja powa jay na.

Bhai result e moja paile to aro bhalo hoy taine? Shobar modhye ek moja thake na, different style e different moja.

Jokhon batting boaring lage, kichukhon Apnar avatar ta dekhen :-D

Ei gap e, omojadar batting e kichu run barle khoti ki?

BANFAN
March 4, 2008, 03:25 AM
Talking to players might help , but I don't think that our batsmen are yet in that level to benefit from it. One batsman is sitting with them everyday (Coach) observing them and directing them more closely than anyone else will do for free. But our batsmen still make basic mistakes and can't hold on to basics yet properly. How do you think they will benefit talking to a star batsman?

They simply need practice and perfecting the basic shots, to that extend that they can hit the same shot every time same way if the ball is in same place. If they can do that, they will be ready to digest and incorporate tips from big players.

About your thread heading; it is impossible to copy any batsman, because every player is unique and that is blended with their mental and physiological parameters. Anybody trying to copy will neither become whom he is copying nor remain himself, will not remain a cricketer anymore.

But one can learn by watching their game over and over again, how they adjust to different shots and improvise. Then practice it to incorporate in his own game, the way it suits to his mental and physical attributes. A player needs to make adjustments to suit him the best. Carbon copies are impossible and detrimental to exploring one's natural abilities.

Ishtylish cricketer
March 4, 2008, 10:56 AM
I didn't necessarily mean copy a batsman's style, walk, etc. There were rumours that Shewag actually used to copy not only the way Tendulkar plays the shots, even the way he walks. That maybe taking it to far but talking to a successful batsman at top level allows a player to access information that is invaluable to a youngster. Whether or not they absorb it and can apply it is another matter altogether. The good players also work hard to be good which is really the key ingredient for success. Our players may not have the facilities but neither did Don Bradman. He used to get a stump and a golf ball and practice hitting the ball for hours. It's not that expensive to buy bowling machines for an international cricketer. They say that an international bowler like Mcgrath faces 500 balls a week. Imagine how many the good batsman face. I mean if I were playing for a team I wouldn't leave the nets till my tongue is completely dry. I personally think every professional batsman should have a bowling machine at their disposition, practicing the basic shots because really the bigger shots are just an extension of the off drives, on drives, etc. Practicing long hours in nets allows you to perfect shots but also can be used to build temperment. Sangakkara attributed his success to practicing the balls in nets ie length and line that gave him the most trouble in matches. For a batsman it's more important to maintain shape throughout the shot rather than the result. Our players, as I mentioned numerous time, can't play with soft hands and pick up singles. They play in two gears block or hit boundaries. Really sad to see. But more importantly, Bd players should care about the way they get out. It would be a bit better they were a bit negative and feared getting out. Tendulkar doesn't sleep night before the match, planning out the inning. I doubt our batsman take it as seriously. To be the best, you have to work the hardest and definitely think constantly about improving standards and making more runs more often.

Ishtylish cricketer
March 4, 2008, 11:03 AM
Carbon copies are impossible and detrimental to exploring one's natural abilities.
Mate, I am sick and tired of natural game and natural abilities. They are getting us nowhere. We can't be that stiff. Need to be flexible. After 100 or so ODI games if you're natural game yields an average below 25, might well abandon that natural game and resort to unnatural copied game.

akabir77
March 4, 2008, 11:21 AM
I didn't necessarily mean copy a batsman's style, walk, etc. There were rumours that Shewag actually used to copy not only the way Tendulkar plays the shots, even the way he walks. ...

Now that makes sense why both talks like a girl and shewag jumps like one too. don't believe me. go and watch BD vs India match from Last WC and watch what he does while BD started batting and he was asking for a LBW or catch at the very beginning of bd batting.

BANFAN
March 4, 2008, 12:21 PM
Mate, I am sick and tired of natural game and natural abilities. They are getting us nowhere. We can't be that stiff. Need to be flexible. After 100 or so ODI games if you're natural game yields an average below 25, might well abandon that natural game and resort to unnatural copied game.

I can feel dear, You are alergic to the word. Try and remain calm a bit when you read, what I wrote. It does not mean what you and even me and many of us are alergic to, 'Natural Game' of our players as they say. I wrote something very different.

Natural ability means; For example if Rajin saleh with his height, tries his whole life to walk down the pictch and whak the ball out of the park like Heyden does; will simply be foolish to try. I have not talked against learning from good players.

But copying in that sense, does not work.

bdchamp20
March 4, 2008, 02:56 PM
Shochin dada is without a doubt the most consistent batsman of all-time, he is 35 and still hitting centuries

kaisermatin
March 4, 2008, 06:29 PM
sachin da, definitely.

kaisermatin
March 4, 2008, 06:31 PM
Ashraful is very consistent.

in bowling, I think! he does miracles.:lol:

karimjay.
March 5, 2008, 02:19 AM
LOL.

Tamim: Hayden
Zunaed: Graeme Smith
Nafees: Sarwan
Ashraful: Tendulkar
Aftab: Dhoni
Sakib: Clarke
Mushfiq: Hussey
Mashrafi: Pollock
Razzak: Warne
Rasel: Bradshaw
Shahadat: Brown.

Megh
March 5, 2008, 02:34 AM
Should follow Inzi for test. Slow but Furious.

auntu
March 5, 2008, 05:20 AM
Nasu Bhai: D compu man of BD

to see their own footage on how they got out..

Protic
March 5, 2008, 05:45 AM
Tamim should follow gilchrist
Zunaid should follow Hayden
SN should follow Sangakarra
Ash should follow Tendulkar
Aftab should follow Ponting
Sakib should follow Uthappa
Mushi should follow Dravid

Uthappa?
Utthapa who?

Ruined such a gost post of urs man.. :(

auntu
March 5, 2008, 03:01 PM
Uthappa?
Utthapa who?

Ruined such a gost post of urs man.. :(

ditto

to much maska for uthappa. :timeout:

bdchamp20
March 5, 2008, 03:11 PM
Shakib is nothing like Utthappa

auntu
March 5, 2008, 03:30 PM
Shakib is nothing like Utthappa

amio bujlam na:waiting:

Rifat
March 5, 2008, 03:30 PM
Saeed Anwar :)

One World
March 6, 2008, 02:47 AM
ASH should watch his first century for Test and his Cardiff century for ODI and all others should watch him after he watches those.

insideedge
March 6, 2008, 03:05 AM
Uthappa?
Utthapa who?

Ruined such a gost post of urs man.. :(

May be other batsmen like Tendulkar,Lara etc are impossibly high to aim at.:)

arifur81
March 6, 2008, 03:07 AM
Tamim should follow gilchrist
Zunaid should follow Hayden
SN should follow Sangakarra
Ash should follow Tendulkar
Aftab should follow Ponting
Sakib should follow Uthappa
Mushi should follow Dravid

100% agree with you Nafi bahi, couldn't done any better.

scoilaheez
March 6, 2008, 03:49 AM
Don Bradman! I think our captain's consistency is our biggest problem. Ash is soo talented but lets himself down, i think if they were able to get experience overseas in places like australia then it would be benificial for them.

abu2abu
March 6, 2008, 04:48 AM
The batsmen should look no further than England's Alistair Cook. Young by english standard (he's only 23 and debuted at 21) he scored a double century for Essex against the visiting autralians in 2005 and is now a consistent test cricketer with 7 centuries to his name! Pigeonholed as a test player, he's now improving as an ODI batsman too...

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ausveng/content/player/11728.html

arifur81
March 6, 2008, 04:58 AM
Guys thought we should go beck see how we got the ICC ranking. Just for bit of fun excitement only. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDRyf2Z5Y0o :smug:

zainab
March 6, 2008, 07:42 AM
ASH should watch his first century for Test and his Cardiff century for ODI and all others should watch him after he watches those.

When will we ever see Ash performing like this again? He does this once in a blue moon, then everyone loves him again.
Dont forget his unforgettable knock against England also, when he fearlessly hammered the likes of Flintoff etc.
IMO that was his best ODI innings, it showed his magnificent strokeplay against quality bowlers in a bouncy pitch in England.

arifur81
March 6, 2008, 11:53 AM
Nijeder batting, tarpor jodi joker der ekto lojjazza bod jage r ekto valo batting korar projeshta mone jage.

Mahir
March 6, 2008, 02:46 PM
The demon in within themselves!