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al Furqaan
March 6, 2008, 10:36 PM
For some odd reason, the 2nd Test against South Africa last week left me with doubts for the first time. I am starting to wonder whether any of our current group of batsmen will ever become as good as their talents would indicate. Guys like Ashraful and Aftab have as much talent in them, physically speaking, as any other batsmen to ever play the game. They can play ever shot, dominate any bowler, play according to the sitaution, etc. But their psychological games are even poorer than the Bermuda batsmen. Everything from application, to understanding of the basics is sorely lacking.

So here is the billion-dollar question: will our current group of players ever become players that could be unanimously termed "world class?" I am not talking about being classed as legendary a la tendulkar or ponting, but more along the lines of a gary kirsten, or marvan atapattu.

Murad
March 6, 2008, 10:42 PM
Our batsmen needs a sports psychiatrist. They didn't have one for last 3/4 years.

And I'm very hopeful they will do better if they get one.

al Furqaan
March 6, 2008, 10:42 PM
right at the moment, i could only vote for rajib, rasel, razzak, and mushy.

AsifTheManRahman
March 6, 2008, 11:26 PM
Shahadat Hossain, Abdur Razzak and Mohammad Ashraful. The others will be quite good, but not exactly great.

crikss
March 7, 2008, 12:48 AM
Mushfiqur Rahim...I am with Siddons...I still bliv he will be the golden boy of Bangladesh :D

Spitfire_x86
March 7, 2008, 12:54 AM
None.

nsd3
March 7, 2008, 01:06 AM
Rajin, Farhad, TAmim, Razzak, Enamul, Rasel - Not sure of them in the long run.

MohammedC
March 7, 2008, 01:22 AM
Roqibul will be a great cricketer. But selectors should make him work hard for his position by only keeping him in A team for next 2-3 years at least

Protic
March 7, 2008, 02:29 AM
Abdur Razzak in ODIs..

zainab
March 7, 2008, 08:46 AM
Some of these players will be great for Bangladesh, but not for the rest of the world. The only player who has world recognition is AShraful, but seems to fail more than succeed at the moment. Unless he can get his brains together soon, he will not be recognized in the world. For his sake and for the sake of BD cricket, I hope that he can turn things around for he has all the talent in the world,but when he hs a bat in his hand, he forgets all his rules and goals.

samjad
March 7, 2008, 10:18 AM
I remember when sakib started playing for bangladesh. We said this guy don't have a nervous system in his body. Which I still beleive. He is a tough guy. I think he got the temperment to become a reliable player.

Sahadat is the other one who is getting better by time.

KnightBD
March 7, 2008, 10:32 AM
Mushfiqur Rahim...I am with Siddons...I still bliv he will be the golden boy of Bangladesh :D
I think Dhiman has taken that opportunity from him for ever (or at least for quite some time to come) :-P

KnightBD
March 7, 2008, 10:37 AM
Player who have potential to imporve: Sakib, Shahadat, Nafees, Junaid, Mosarraf :D
Player who will remain inconsistant: Ash, Mash, Aftab, Tamim :-|
Players who will not survive: Enamul, Mushfiq, Rajin, Reza :(

BD-Shardul
March 7, 2008, 12:30 PM
Will they ever come good? Why doubt man, after all don't we BC folks believe from the core of our heart that BD is destined to be the world beaters of cricket? That means all our players will be Lara, Tendu, Ponting, McGrath, Warne.........

sayem
March 7, 2008, 12:48 PM
BD needs good structure's in demestic level, and stop relying on players from under 19 level, when this stops then may be you can see results...players comming in to the national team averaging 20 in domestic leauge..and we expect them to be consistant?? BD has long way to go...yes they have huge talent but 1 only needs 10% talent and rest is confidence which comes with experiance..

reyme
March 7, 2008, 12:59 PM
I think Dhiman has taken that opportunity from him for ever (or at least for quite some time to come) :-P

That's what I was afraid of. He now reached a point which will take him a while to come back. And it is even harder under JS, no matter what he said about Golden Boy.

reyme
March 7, 2008, 01:05 PM
I remember when sakib started playing for bangladesh. We said this guy don't have a nervous system in his body. Which I still beleive. He is a tough guy. I think he got the temperment to become a reliable player.

Sahadat is the other one who is getting better by time.

Exactly! Thats why Sakib will likely out-perform/score Ashraful in the long run. However, Ashraful may still be a bigger star, he is the one with miracle power. Ash is just so fun to watch when in action and can siglehandedly win a match. Ash is however may not be as prudent of a captain as Sakib.

zainab
March 7, 2008, 06:37 PM
That's what I was afraid of. He now reached a point which will take him a while to come back. And it is even harder under JS, no matter what he said about Golden Boy.

I am very sure that Mushy will make a comeback. he is still very young and I wish him all the best. Many players go through a lean patch, but have bounced back.
For the time being, he should concentrate on his studies and play for the A team.

cricket_dorshok
March 7, 2008, 08:00 PM
all of them:)

Sohel
March 8, 2008, 03:04 AM
Great? I'm not so sure about that, but 'great' by our own standards or 'good' by International standards? Certainly !

I think the following cricketers will will come good, but only from their early 30s: -

1. Mohammad Ashraful: I expect close to twenty test 100s from this guy by the time he retires. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the day he learns to apply himself by playing higher percenetage shots, will be the day he becomes truly "world class" and NEVER look back.

2. Zunaed Siddiqui: I expect him to be the first of four Bangladeshi Batsman to average close to 40 in all 3 forms of cricket.

3. Tamim Iqbal: See Zunaed.

4. Alok Kapali: He will be our Misbah Inshallah after several years of steady A-Team cricket to help him overcome some of those psychological issues we know too well. The day he does manage to carry some of his remarkable domestic form over to the highest level, will be the happiest of days for many of us. In the mean time, I won't mind if he doesn't get another chance before his late 20s.

5. Rokibul Hasan: See Zunaed.

6. Imrul Kayes: See Zunaed.

7. Aftab Ahmed: I expect him average in the mid 30s by the time he retires, thanks to Coach Siddons.

8. Mushfiqur Rahim: I expect him to come back as a specialist batsman and average in the 30s by the time he retires.

9. Nazmus Sadat: I think he'll improve, learn to steady his temperament and give BiZu and Tamim a good run for their money in ODIs and T20Is.

10. Dhiman Ghosh: I think he'll establish himself as one of the premier WKs in all forms of cricket and a serious theat down the order.

11. Farhad Reza: I think he'll continue to improve, learn to steady his temperament, and become an effective batsman down the order.

12. Syed Rasel: Maybe our Chaminda Vaas with the ball by the time he retires.

13. Abdur Razzak: I think he'll go down as one of the top ODI SLAs by the time he retires. His batting would be just as effective as Dhiman or Farhad's down the order.

14. Shahadat Hossain: I think he'll be our highest wicket taker by the time he retires and his batting will continue to improve also.

15. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza: Let's see what he does in order to get that Tigerheart out of the MaMu.

16. Shakib Al Hasan: He needs to get a helmet that fits properly and clean up his batting technique before becoming as effective as he can be, especially in ODIs. He'll probably be our most successful captain by the time retires.

17. MH Rubel: I'll go with Rafiq on this one.

18. Shaju Datta: He'll pick up where Rafiq left off.

19. Enamul Haq Jr: I think he'll play and dominate our test bowling for a long time. I see him with 300 test wickets by the time he retires in his late 30s.

20. Dollar Mahmud: Definitely our own Chaminda Vaas with both ball and bat, once handled correctly.

21. Rubel Hossain: Our own Fidel Edwards Inshallah. I think he'll be the first Bangladeshi seamer to average his pace in the 140s and offer the widest array of lethal swings in his arsenal.

22. Shubhashish Roy: Pace, power and aggression galore once handled correctly.

23. Shumon Saha: Another Rajib Inshallah.

24. Shahriar Nafees: I see him retiring with an average in the 30s.

25. Nafees Iqbal: See Shahriar Nafees.

26. Talha Jubair: As aggressive as ever, he's continuing to re-invent himself as an accurate swing bowler, and I think he'll contribute just as much as Rasel will Inshallah.

27. Abul Bashar: Very scrappy and hardworking player in the Rana (RIP), Rajin, MH Rubel and Farhad mould, and I expect him to continue to improve and take full advantage of the chances he gets. Excellent fielder.

28. Nayeem Islam: I hope he continues to improve and doesn't become another Nadif Choudhury !

29. NH Milon: If his current improvements continue, then WATCH OUT Farhad Reza.

30. Mehrab Jr/Golam Rahman/Ghazi Salahuddin/Imtiaz Hossain/Golam Mabud, take your pick: They need loads of A-Team experience before coming into the senior side with any hope of staying there.

Lost faith in TK Baisya, Ehsanul Haq and Nadif Choudhury, and never had much faith in Rajin Saleh and Mohammad Nazimuddin. It's too early to talk about guys like Shubho at this point.

bdchamp20
March 8, 2008, 07:14 AM
Great? I'm not so sure about that, but 'great' by our own standards or 'good' by International standards? Certainly !

I think the following cricketers will will come good, but only from their early 30s: -

1. Mohammad Ashraful: I expect close to twenty test 100s from this guy by the time he retires. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the day he learns to apply himself by playing higher percenetage shots, will be the day he becomes truly "world class" and NEVER look back.

2. Zunaed Siddiqui: I expect him to be the first of four Bangladeshi Batsman to average close to 40 in all 3 forms of cricket.

3. Tamim Iqbal: See Zunaed.

4. Alok Kapali: He will be our Misbah Inshallah after several years of steady A-Team cricket to help him overcome some of those psychological issues we know too well. The day he does manage to carry some of his remarkable domestic form over to the highest level, will be the happiest of days for many of us. In the mean time, I won't mind if he doesn't get another chance before his late 20s.

5. Rokibul Hasan: See Zunaed.

6. Imrul Kayes: See Zunaed.

7. Aftab Ahmed: I expect him average in the mid 30s by the time he retires, thanks to Coach Siddons.

8. Mushfiqur Rahim: I expect him to come back as a specialist batsman and average in the 30s by the time he retires.

9. Nazmus Sadat: I think he'll improve, learn to steady his temperament and give BiZu and Tamim a good run for their money in ODIs and T20Is.

10. Dhiman Ghosh: I think he'll establish himself as one of the premier WKs in all forms of cricket and a serious theat down the order.

11. Farhad Reza: I think he'll continue to improve, learn to steady his temperament, and become an effective batsman down the order.

12. Syed Rasel: Maybe our Chaminda Vaas with the ball by the time he retires.

13. Abdur Razzak: I think he'll go down as one of the top ODI SLAs by the time he retires. His batting would be just as effective as Dhiman or Farhad's down the order.

14. Shahadat Hossain: I think he'll be our highest wicket taker by the time he retires and his batting will continue to improve also.

15. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza: Let's see what he does in order to get that Tigerheart out of the MaMu.

16. Shakib Al Hasan: He needs to get a helmet that fits properly and clean up his batting technique before becoming as effective as he can be, especially in ODIs. He'll probably be our most successful captain by the time retires.

17. MH Rubel: I'll go with Rafiq on this one.

18. Shaju Datta: He'll pick up where Rafiq left off.

19. Enamul Haq Jr: I think he'll play and dominate our test bowling for a long time. I see him with 300 test wickets by the time he retires in his late 30s.

20. Dollar Mahmud: Definitely our own Chaminda Vaas with both ball and bat, once handled correctly.

21. Rubel Hossain: Our own Fidel Edwards Inshallah. I think he'll be the first Bangladeshi seamer to average his pace in the 140s and offer the widest array of lethal swings in his arsenal.

22. Shubhashish Roy: Pace, power and aggression galore once handled correctly.

23. Shumon Saha: Another Rajib Inshallah.

24. Shahriar Nafees: I see him retiring with an average in the 30s.

25. Nafees Iqbal: See Shahriar Nafees.

26. Talha Jubair: As aggressive as ever, he's continuing to re-invent himself as an accurate swing bowler, and I think he'll contribute just as much as Rasel will Inshallah.

27. Abul Bashar: Very scrappy and hardworking player in the Rana (RIP), Rajin, MH Rubel and Farhad mould, and I expect him to continue to improve and take full advantage of the chances he gets. Excellent fielder.

28. Nayeem Islam: I hope he continues to improve and doesn't become another Nadif Choudhury !

29. NH Milon: If his current improvements continue, then WATCH OUT Farhad Reza.

30. Mehrab Jr/Golam Rahman/Ghazi Salahuddin/Imtiaz Hossain/Golam Mabud, take your pick: They need loads of A-Team experience before coming into the senior side with any hope of staying there.

Lost faith in TK Baisya, Ehsanul Haq and Nadif Choudhury, and never had much faith in Rajin Saleh and Mohammad Nazimuddin. It's too early to talk about guys like Shubho at this point.
I think Mushfiq will make the best captain for Bangladesh

bdchamp20
March 8, 2008, 07:22 AM
I voted for everyone except Aftab,Shahadat,Enamul Jr,Saleh and Farhad...and outside of the list I'd vote for Kapali,Mosharof,Riyad,Dhiman,Dolar,Shubhoshish,Mar shal,Taposh Ghosh,Mahmudul Hasan,Mithun Ali,Ziaur and maybe Imrul Kayash,Shumon Shaha,Shaju Dotto,Talha Jubayer and Nazmus Sadat

bdchamp20
March 8, 2008, 07:28 AM
this is what I think will happen:
Highest Test run-scorer(for BD):Mushfiqur Rahim
Highest ODI run scorer:Junaid Siddique
Highest T20 run scorer:Junaid Siddique

Highest Test wicket taker:Mosharof Hossain
Highest ODI wicket taker:Abdur Rajjak
Highest T20 wicket taker(in the world):Abdur Rajjak

Fazal
March 8, 2008, 09:00 AM
... and best dreamer bdchamp20.

PoorFan
March 8, 2008, 09:12 AM
Great cricketer?

NONE.

bdchamp20
March 8, 2008, 09:47 AM
... and best dreamer bdchamp20.
thank u..I do dream a lot

lamisa
March 8, 2008, 10:29 AM
Mushfiqur Rahim...I am with Siddons...I still bliv he will be the golden boy of Bangladesh :D

hi5 bro!!!!couldnt agree wid u more,i also voted for bizu, rasel and reza.though i believe in tamim,ash,mash,raj 2.

ahaque
March 8, 2008, 01:45 PM
mushfiqur is really lacking with the bat since the WC. we'll see how this new wicketkeeper (ghosh) will do.

Murad
March 8, 2008, 01:47 PM
mushfiqur is really lacking with the bat since the WC. we'll see how this new wicketkeeper (ghosh) will do.

Referring to the utter failure of wicketkeeper Mushfiqur Rahim in the Test series, Siddons admitted that he failed to deliver the goods.

"Yes, I've felt that a bit," the coach replied when asked whether he had any lamentation of keeping Mushfiqur in the Test team

Dailystar

auntu
March 8, 2008, 01:54 PM
ive voted many of them coz i really hope n pray that all of them come out as one of best in the world.

that's why after humiliating defeats i come back again n shout for them :flag:

go boyz :flag::flag:

zainab
March 8, 2008, 04:13 PM
Sohel Bhai, I like your pick. If Siddons work diligently with this group for 2 years, we will see vast improvement. i am also hoping that sometime down the road, Mushy can also be in his squad.

al Furqaan
March 8, 2008, 05:15 PM
if sohel bhai's predictions come to light, we'll have quite a few world class players in our ranks.

Mahir
March 8, 2008, 09:58 PM
Sohel bhai's predictions are mostly optimistic. Some are definitely on the money.

Rajib, Enam, Rajjak, Tamim and Mushfique are my picks to become EXCELLENT international players eventually. The term "great" doesn't come across to me quite as appropriate. I think that our team, if develops properly by the time the current crop reaches their 30s, will EVENTUALLY become world-beaters based on team work, and unlikely on individual greatness.

BANFAN
March 9, 2008, 11:29 AM
All of them have probably lost the chance of becoming great cricketer. Some of them have chance of coming out as good cricketers.

Greats have not yet started playing, or are in their mother's womb.

cricket_fanatic
March 10, 2008, 02:48 AM
Of the guyz mentioned, I believe Tamim, Zunaed and Shahadat have the talent and character to become "decent" intl cricketers (to me "decent" means batting avg of around 40 in test matches and around 250 test wickets). Mushfiq, with his age defying maturity, might be there purely as a batsman as well, though not too sure of him as a keeper.

Razzaq and Russel would probably fall in the decent category for ODIs.

For guyz like Raqibul and Dhiman, it's a tad too early to comment.

Mashrafe, if he sorts out his emotional and superstitious baggage ( and no major injuries of course ) can become a decent player but he remains too much of an enigma.

Aftab is along somewhat similar lines, with the emational baggage replaced by sudden rushes of blood while batting; though his recent change of approach in batting makes me optimistic that this wonderfully talented batsman might just turn out to be something of the player we expect him to be.

I dont think either Shakib or S. Nafees has the techniq to become "decent" intl cricketers.

The only one in the list who I believe has the talent and techniq to be become sth more than decent (I mean an average in the high 40's in tests if not 50) is Ashraful. However, unless he stops getting way too satisfied after every good innings and stops throwing his wicket away like he does now, I am afraid he'll struggle to reach 30+ avg, let alone 40.

zainab
March 10, 2008, 06:57 AM
IMO. the only good batsmen in the team at the moment are Tamim, Ashraful and Aftab. The rest will really have to learn how to bat properly, then maybe we can call them batsmen. That gives us three guys who know to play cricketing strokes, but ever so often throw their wickets away. Reza is one VP they can have in the squad, he can bowl and bat.Mash used to be a VP, but now seems to have lost all interest in cricket.
Compared to performance wise, last year was a much better year for them. Now, they have a new coach, but seem to go downhill. I feel that in the few months Siddons has been in BD, he has not spent enough time with them and after this tour and the Irish tour, he must have training camps.These guys need a lot of guidance and practice.
They also need a bowling coach very badly, this series have revealed that.

Alien
March 10, 2008, 06:57 AM
Cricket is a team game and one person won't shine if the whole team is a minnow.

mahbubH
March 10, 2008, 07:03 AM
I don't expect any of these players will end up with average near 40 runs. Don't expect of great player just expect some batemen with mid 30 average. We are currently mid 20 average team.