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Zeeshan
March 10, 2008, 09:01 PM
First of all, let me assert that I have lived in South Africa for three and a half years and even in thicks and thins the countrymen showed tremendous support for their team and never ever zoomed in and blew up their flaws. In contrast, we Bangladeshis are negative, very miopic, easily get emotional and ready to bash our team for the slightest mistakes. Therein lies the difference, where South Africans (highly patriotic like Indians), just like Indians, would support their team to the death and never ever criticise them, we on the other hand suffer from low self esteem and self-loathing. THAT is the biggest disappointment. Instead of staying positive and being well wisher of our team, we strive on lambasting them....and country like South Africa would never ever sell themselves out. So if we dont have internal harmony amongst us, and the projection we give to the opponents that even WE ourselves aren't expecting highly from our....

:ticking:

That brings my second point. This link made me furious. IF our OWN damn coah doesnt expect us to win, what kinda morale does this send to the players? It's like your own mother not believing in you when you are a child, how can you believe in yourself?

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/bdeshvrsa/content/story/339860.html

"Coach does not expect team to beat South Africa

SA bowlers too good for our batsmen - Siddons"

Jamie Siddons: "He [Dale Steyn] ripped us apart in the second innings with 150 kph outswingers or inswingers to the left-handers"

So heres lesson #1 Coach Siddons:

1. Never ever give your opponent the benefit of the doubt and flatter their strength.

I bring this from Anthony Robbins. He was saying in one of his tapes that he asked this person why he never gave up after trying so many times and failing. Then he responded: "If your child falls down everytime she learns to walk, will you ever give up?"

[Sorry if I sounded like I was ranting.]

MarufH
March 10, 2008, 10:09 PM
All right axey, I stayed in SA for over 2 years. I think Antora was born there if I am not mistaken. I don't think SA cricket teams are the way u r explaining. What I reckon is about 80 percent of the population dont even care about cricket. Soccer is much more popular in RSA. Cricket is mostly played amongst whites and few Indians. (e.g. look at their national team) When Shaun failed in 2003, whole country (cricket supporters and sport radios) went against him. So I would like to disagree here.

I feel you need to compare our country to some other team... perhaps SRI LANKA?

On a personal note, what part of SA did u live in?

dash
March 10, 2008, 10:21 PM
what do u mean indians support through thick nd thin
they even burned players houses after the wc defeat to bd

kalpurush
March 10, 2008, 10:33 PM
Bangladesh is No Australia nor India either! We are what we are - a nation who is fighting to keep its Test status. Our win is still considered as upset in the other world. It doesn't matter what you think, it matters what others think...my friend.:-D

sandpiper
March 10, 2008, 10:40 PM
Its not true that fans here are negative or myopic. They may be fervent. And also Siddons comments shouldnt be misinterpreted. He spoke about the fact which doesnt mean that it is the end of the road.

Zeeshan
March 10, 2008, 10:44 PM
On a personal note, what part of SA did u live in?

Pretoria....went to high school there. Btw..what's axey? lol...

And Kalpurush i respectfully disagree wit you abt the fact what one thinks about himself....esp. since you have the kool avatar: because be it in physical fight or philosophical life in genereal....first and foremost if one believes in himself and even if the whole world doesnt then he is superior in all levels. At the end of the day, it's all about self-knowledge...again I harken to your avatar. If the whole world considers you dumb, would you let that dictate you? It's what YOU think of yourself is whats important. :fanflag:

And dash, pardon my ignorance.... I wasnt aware of that fact.

Rizvi
March 10, 2008, 10:50 PM
The only think i agree with u buddy is that - Yes, we have low self-esteem. We don't have patriotism, which is very clearly portrayed by our players and our country. No one cares if we get embarassed...no self pride..

We ain't no TIGERS...we're bunch of PUSSYCATS!! Our players give up before they even come in the field.

tanim3960
March 10, 2008, 11:02 PM
I agree man 100% , we already beaten SA why are we not expecting beating them again?
Siddon coment is nonsense. i am sorry Mr siddon u have got it all wrong, giving our player wrong signal. It is our time to think positive.

Murad
March 10, 2008, 11:09 PM
koto puran comments niya ki nachanachi re baap.:mad:

eta 1st test er pore bolche.. ar amra eta niye ekhon nachi..

shei amader test cricket niye kotha bolche not one day.

now tell me when did we won a test match against south africa if our only win was against zimbabwe? @ Tanim3960

we are good odi side but in tests we are still baby. so he was right on what he said.

Murad
March 10, 2008, 11:12 PM
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=90>Test no. 1637 (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/index.html?class=1)
</TD><TD width=5>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=middle>Pakistan in South Africa Test Series (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/60740.html) - 2nd Test
South Africa (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/southafrica/content/team/3.html) v Pakistan (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/team/7.html) </TD><TD width=5>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" align=right width=90>2002/03 season (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2002-03/)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Played at Newlands, Cape Town (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/ground/59068.html), on 2,3,4,5 January 2003 (5-day match)
Result South Africa won by an innings and 142 runs
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=7>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=7>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD colSpan=2>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=28>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=28>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=28>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=21>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=21>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=42>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD colSpan=3>South Africa 1st innings</TD><TD align=right>R</TD><TD align=right>M</TD><TD align=right>B</TD><TD align=right>4s</TD><TD align=right>6s</TD><TD align=right>SR</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>GC Smith (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/47270.html)</TD><TD width=246>b Mohammad Zahid</TD><TD align=right>151</TD><TD align=right>338</TD><TD align=right>216</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>69.90</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>HH Gibbs (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/45224.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Younis Khan b Saqlain Mushtaq</TD><TD align=right>228</TD><TD align=right>383</TD><TD align=right>240</TD><TD align=right>29</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>95.00</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>G Kirsten (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/45813.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Younis Khan b Waqar Younis</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>50</TD><TD align=right>33</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>57.57</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>JH Kallis (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/45789.html)</TD><TD width=246>lbw b Mohammad Sami</TD><TD align=right>31</TD><TD align=right>71</TD><TD align=right>66</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>46.96</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>HH Dippenaar (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/44708.html)</TD><TD width=246>c http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/keeper.gifKamran Akmal b Saqlain Mushtaq</TD><TD align=right>62</TD><TD align=right>244</TD><TD align=right>146</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>42.46</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>ND McKenzie (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46208.html)</TD><TD width=246>c http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/keeper.gifKamran Akmal b Mohammad Zahid</TD><TD align=right>51</TD><TD align=right>121</TD><TD align=right>89</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>57.30</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2>http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/keeper.gif</TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>MV Boucher (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/44111.html)</TD><TD width=246>b Saqlain Mushtaq</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>43.75</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2>http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/captain.gif</TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>SM Pollock (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46774.html)</TD><TD width=246>not out</TD><TD align=right>36</TD><TD align=right>45</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>189.47</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>N Boje (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/44091.html)</TD><TD width=246>not out</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>12</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>116.66</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Extras</TD><TD>(b 1, lb 5, w 1, nb 21)</TD><TD align=right>28</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=4></TD><TD align=right bgColor=#000000>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Total</TD><TD>(7 wickets dec; 135 overs; 648 mins)</TD><TD align=right>620</TD><TD align=middle colSpan=5>(4.59 runs per over)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Did not bat M Ntini (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46592.html), M Hayward (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/45419.html) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Fall of wickets1-368 (Smith, 69.2 ov), 2-413 (Gibbs, 78.4 ov), 3-414 (Kirsten, 79.3 ov), 4-463 (Kallis, 94.2 ov), 5-548 (McKenzie, 121.1 ov), 6-557 (Boucher, 126.1 ov), 7-594 (Dippenaar, 132.6 ov) (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64023.html?innings=1;view=fow)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD bgColor=#d8d4d2> Bowling</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>Ohttp://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>M</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>R</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>W</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>Econ</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Waqar Younis (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43543.html)</TD><TD align=right>28http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>121</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>4.32</TD><TD align=right>(4nb)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Mohammad Sami (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/41324.html)</TD><TD align=right>28http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>124</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>4.42</TD><TD align=right>(4nb, 1w)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Mohammad Zahid (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/41299.html)</TD><TD align=right>25http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>108</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>4.32</TD><TD align=right>(3nb)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Saqlain Mushtaq (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/42628.html)</TD><TD align=right>50http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>237</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>4.74</TD><TD align=right>(10nb)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Younis Khan (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43652.html)</TD><TD align=right>4http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>6.00</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=7>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=7>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD colSpan=2>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=28>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=28>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=28>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=21>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=21>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=42>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD colSpan=3>Pakistan 1st innings</TD><TD align=right>R</TD><TD align=right>M</TD><TD align=right>B</TD><TD align=right>4s</TD><TD align=right>6s</TD><TD align=right>SR</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Taufeeq Umar (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43363.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Kallis b Ntini</TD><TD align=right>135</TD><TD align=right>345</TD><TD align=right>254</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>53.14</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Saleem Elahi (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/42620.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Smith b Pollock</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>57</TD><TD align=right>41</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>24.39</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Younis Khan (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43652.html)</TD><TD width=246>lbw b Pollock</TD><TD align=right>46</TD><TD align=right>161</TD><TD align=right>123</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>37.39</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Inzamam-ul-Haq (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40570.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Dippenaar b Hayward</TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=right>74</TD><TD align=right>41</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>78.04</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Yousuf Youhana (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43650.html)</TD><TD width=246>c http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/keeper.gifBoucher b Hayward</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.00</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Faisal Iqbal (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40088.html)</TD><TD width=246>b Ntini</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=right>71</TD><TD align=right>43</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>55.81</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2>http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/keeper.gif</TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Kamran Akmal (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/41028.html)</TD><TD width=246>lbw b Pollock</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.00</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Saqlain Mushtaq (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/42628.html)</TD><TD width=246>c http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/keeper.gifBoucher b Ntini</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>19</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>11.11</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2>http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/captain.gif</TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Waqar Younis (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43543.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Kallis b Pollock</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.00</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Mohammad Sami (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/41324.html)</TD><TD width=246>not out</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.00</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Mohammad Zahid (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/41299.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Smith b Ntini</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.00</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Extras</TD><TD>(lb 1, nb 3)</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=4></TD><TD align=right bgColor=#000000>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Total</TD><TD>(all out; 87.4 overs; 384 mins)</TD><TD align=right>252</TD><TD align=middle colSpan=5>(2.87 runs per over)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Fall of wickets1-36 (Saleem Elahi, 12.5 ov), 2-152 (Younis Khan, 52.2 ov), 3-208 (Inzamam-ul-Haq, 68.3 ov), 4-208 (Yousuf Youhana, 68.4 ov), 5-240 (Taufeeq Umar, 81.3 ov), 6-247 (Kamran Akmal, 84.1 ov), 7-251 (Faisal Iqbal, 85.4 ov), 8-252 (Waqar Younis, 86.5 ov), 9-252 (Saqlain Mushtaq, 87.1 ov), 10-252 (Mohammad Zahid, 87.4 ov) (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64023.html?innings=2;view=fow)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD bgColor=#d8d4d2> Bowling</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>Ohttp://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>M</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>R</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>W</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>Econ</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> SM Pollock (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46774.html)</TD><TD align=right>23http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>45</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>1.95</TD><TD align=right>(3nb)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> M Ntini (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46592.html)</TD><TD align=right>20.4</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>62</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>3.00</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> JH Kallis (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/45789.html)</TD><TD align=right>12http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>35</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>2.91</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> M Hayward (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/45419.html)</TD><TD align=right>15http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>56</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>3.73</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> N Boje (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/44091.html)</TD><TD align=right>17http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>53</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>3.11</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=7>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=7>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD colSpan=2>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=28>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=28>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=28>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=21>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=21>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD width=42>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD colSpan=3>Pakistan 2nd innings (following on)</TD><TD align=right>R</TD><TD align=right>M</TD><TD align=right>B</TD><TD align=right>4s</TD><TD align=right>6s</TD><TD align=right>SR</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Taufeeq Umar (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43363.html)</TD><TD width=246>c http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/keeper.gifBoucher b Pollock</TD><TD align=right>67</TD><TD align=right>149</TD><TD align=right>101</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>66.33</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Saleem Elahi (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/42620.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Dippenaar b Ntini</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.00</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Younis Khan (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43652.html)</TD><TD width=246>c McKenzie b Kallis</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>26</TD><TD align=right>18</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>11.11</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Inzamam-ul-Haq (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40570.html)</TD><TD width=246>st http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/keeper.gifBoucher b Boje</TD><TD align=right>60</TD><TD align=right>108</TD><TD align=right>87</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>68.96</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Yousuf Youhana (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43650.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Kallis b Boje</TD><TD align=right>50</TD><TD align=right>43</TD><TD align=right>29</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>172.41</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Faisal Iqbal (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/40088.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Pollock b Ntini</TD><TD align=right>11</TD><TD align=right>57</TD><TD align=right>45</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>24.44</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2>http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/keeper.gif</TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Kamran Akmal (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/41028.html)</TD><TD width=246>lbw b Ntini</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>44.44</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Saqlain Mushtaq (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/42628.html)</TD><TD width=246>run out (Kirsten/http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/keeper.gifBoucher/Ntini)</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>49</TD><TD align=right>29</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>31.03</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2>http://img.cricinfo.com/engine-nav/captain.gif</TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Waqar Younis (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/43543.html)</TD><TD width=246>lbw b Hayward</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>28</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>45.00</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Mohammad Sami (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/41324.html)</TD><TD width=246>not out</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>64.28</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" width=192>Mohammad Zahid (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/41299.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Pollock b Ntini</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0.00</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Extras</TD><TD>(lb 1, w 1, nb 3)</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=4></TD><TD align=right bgColor=#000000>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> Total</TD><TD>(all out; 59.1 overs; 255 mins)</TD><TD align=right>226</TD><TD align=middle colSpan=5>(3.81 runs per over)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=620 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Fall of wickets1-0 (Saleem Elahi, 1.4 ov), 2-9 (Younis Khan, 7.5 ov), 3-130 (Inzamam-ul-Haq, 34.4 ov), 4-130 (Taufeeq Umar, 35.1 ov), 5-184 (Yousuf Youhana, 44.3 ov), 6-190 (Kamran Akmal, 45.6 ov), 7-203 (Faisal Iqbal, 49.3 ov), 8-216 (Waqar Younis, 56.1 ov), 9-221 (Saqlain Mushtaq, 57.2 ov), 10-226 (Mohammad Zahid, 59.1 ov) (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64023.html?innings=3;view=fow)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD>http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD bgColor=#d8d4d2> Bowling</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>Ohttp://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>M</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>R</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>W</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2>Econ</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#d8d4d2></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> SM Pollock (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46774.html)</TD><TD align=right>12http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>5</TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>2.66</TD><TD align=right>(1nb)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> M Ntini (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46592.html)</TD><TD align=right>15.1</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>33</TD><TD align=right>4</TD><TD align=right>2.17</TD><TD align=right>(1nb)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> JH Kallis (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/45789.html)</TD><TD align=right>6http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>34</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>5.66</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> M Hayward (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/45419.html)</TD><TD align=right>11http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>44</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>4.00</TD><TD align=right></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap"> N Boje (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/44091.html)</TD><TD align=right>15http://img.cricinfo.com/spacer.gif</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>82</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>5.46</TD><TD align=right>(1nb, 1w)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Ei scorecard dekhe ki bujhlen bhaijanera??

Dekhsen Pakistanre ki korche ora?? I think we did even better against them than Pakistan.


Now tell me: DO you still think Siddons was wrong?

WarWolf
March 11, 2008, 12:04 AM
In contrast, we Bangladeshis are negative, very miopic, easily get emotional and ready to bash our team for the slightest mistakes.
Some times we may sound a lil bit pessimistic though, yet we are the best fans in the world for sure. When your team has been playing test cricket for 8 years and still a good candidate of humiliation almost every match, i doubt if any other country fan would continue to support them. Example? Look at the number of regular members in BC.

just like Indians, would support their team to the death and never ever criticise them,
funniest comment i heard in a while.

Antora
March 11, 2008, 01:13 AM
Pretoria....went to high school there. .

OMG!!! you lived in pretoria???? That is like the best place ever!!! I used to live near there :D... i miss S.A :(

any way back on topic


I kinda agree with the whole siddons thing....
I have been following him closely and this is what annoys me, is the fact that he doesn't really expect us to win....and has anyone noticed... how when bangladesh bats.. siddons is always sitting with the physio or he will be excersising on his bike... like shouldn't he be there with the players.. telling them what to do and supporting them???
instaed his on his bike excersisng!!!:mad:

I'm starting to have my doubts on his siddons guy.

nobody
March 11, 2008, 01:42 AM
Koidin por por ....

zainab
March 11, 2008, 06:05 AM
After looking at scorecard of the match between SA and Pakistan in 2003, late last year(2007) SA went to Pakistan and beat them badly in Tests and ODIs.

In 4 years Pakistan did not improve to win.

bdchamp20
March 11, 2008, 06:26 AM
ok so now u r going to shoot down Siddons for telling the truth? He was saying his batsman cant handle South African bowlers in test and we all know that its true and did the BD batsman do anything to prove Siddons wrong?

Tigers_eye
March 11, 2008, 09:34 AM
Welcome Gopal bhar to BC.
I take your 1st post as gopal bhar's post. :)

One win out of how many? What you expect from the fans and media? This is just a natural progression. Our cricketing structure is improving and due time when wins start piling up, our outlook would change dramatically. Then we will strat praising our boys more than SA and India combined. Even Siddons and other would too.

sayem
March 11, 2008, 09:37 AM
Bangladesh is No Australia nor India either! We are what we are - a nation who is fighting to keep its Test status. Our win is still considered as upset in the other world. It doesn't matter what you think, it matters what others think...my friend.:-D Agree very much...Good point!

lamisa
March 11, 2008, 10:00 AM
what do u mean indians support through thick nd thin
they even burned players houses after the wc defeat to bd

whose house?on the other hand,i disagree with gopal bhar totally.i think that we bd ppl are pretty loyal fans.

akabir77
March 11, 2008, 10:06 AM
another ABCD thread.

Pundit
March 11, 2008, 10:51 AM
Gopal Bhar - there is a big contradiction between your message's content and its intent.

Fazal
March 11, 2008, 11:02 AM
Gopal Bhar - there is a big contradiction between your message's content and its intent.

Thanks for pointing that out.... I was also thinking the same.

zainab
March 11, 2008, 01:38 PM
IMO, Siddons is absolutely clueless, he should speak less to the media, who also seem to twist his words.

MarufH
March 11, 2008, 03:32 PM
Pretoria....went to high school there. Btw..what's axey? lol...

And Kalpurush i respectfully disagree wit you abt the fact what one thinks about himself....esp. since you have the kool avatar: because be it in physical fight or philosophical life in genereal....first and foremost if one believes in himself and even if the whole world doesnt then he is superior in all levels. At the end of the day, it's all about self-knowledge...again I harken to your avatar. If the whole world considers you dumb, would you let that dictate you? It's what YOU think of yourself is whats important. :fanflag:

And dash, pardon my ignorance.... I wasnt aware of that fact.

just wondering if u really went to SA. As far I'm concerned, I haven't seen many South African finish a sentence without saying the word axey. Its like another way of saying mate. Correct me if I am wrong.

BANFAN
March 11, 2008, 03:42 PM
IMO, Siddons is absolutely clueless, he should speak less to the media, who also seem to twist his words.

Sidons will obviously take time to get a grip over everything. He knows virtually nothing about our players, Board, People, Culture....

thasan
March 11, 2008, 03:47 PM
Its not true that fans here are negative or myopic. They may be fervent. And also Siddons comments shouldnt be misinterpreted. He spoke about the fact which doesnt mean that it is the end of the road.


yes! thats the right perspective.
we need to wake up and correct our flaws first.