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bourny3
April 17, 2008, 08:40 PM
Looking at the current squad for ODIs in which I beleive should be the squad for the next 3 years so that the players can get experience and develop confidence at the top level.

The Squad <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/ /><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Mohammad Ashraful (C)<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Mashrafe Mortaza (VC)<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Abdur Razzaq<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Aftab Ahmed<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Dhiman Ghosh (WC)<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Farhad Reza<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Junaid Siddique<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Mahmadullah<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Nazimuddin<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Shahadat Hossain<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Shahriar Nafees<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Shakib Al Hasan<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Syed Rasel<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Tamim Iqbal<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Add to this list<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Mehrab Hossain Jnr<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Mushfiqur Rahim<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Nazmul Hossain <o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Imrul Kayash<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Sajidul Islam<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Enamul Haque Jnr<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Rajin Saleh <o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Alok Kapali<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black>Habibul Bashar<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Calibri><FONT size=3>Raqibul Hasan </FONT></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Calibri><FONT size=3>S</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Calibri><FONT size=3>hamsur Rahman</FONT></FONT></P><P> </P><P>This should be the squad of 25 players for the next 3 years. Obviously some will not get a game and some will only play a few. Maybe there will be 1 or 2 players from outside this group that may get a chance through only excellent performances in the domestic and Academy matches. I have included Habibul Bashar in the side as he has a great deal of experience in which he should pass that on to the young players. In the current squad Mohammad Ashraful is the most experienced player and he is just 23. Yes, he is the captain but at 23 the players will not learn as much from him as Habibul Bashar because Ashraful still has to learn and has double the amount of cricket left in him that he has played. Whereas Habibul Bashar has been there done that over the past 10-12 years going through the highs and lows of Bangladesh cricket. Having said that I think Bashar could not be included in touring squads but still go along as a senior figure in the team. Also Mohammad Rafique retiring was a huge blow for Bangladesh even though he “jumped before he was pushed”. The board made it quite clear by not selecting him for ODIs that they were going for the youth policy. Which is fine but he was playing great cricket and most countries like to have their best team on the park you would think. He would definitely be in Bangladesh’s best team even now. Rafique would be of great value on tours as well as he should provide coaching for the plethora of left arm spinners Bangladesh has.</P><P><o:p></o:p></P><P> </P><P>Of the players listed above he would be mentoring <FONT color=black>Abdur Razzaq, Mahmadullah, Shakib Al Hasan, Mehrab Hossain Jnr and Enamul Haque Jnr. 5 spinners in the one squad. Of these spinners at this stage Abdur Razzaq and Mahmadullah would be in the team and obviously Shakib Al Hasan would be in the side purely on his batting ability. <o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT color=black></FONT> </P><P><FONT color=black>Habibul Bashar would be mentoring Mohammad Ashraful, Aftab Ahmed, Dhiman Ghosh, Junaid Siddique, Nazimuddin, Shahriar Nafees, Tamim Iqbal, Mushfiqur Rahim, Imrul Kayash, Rajin Saleh, Alok Kapali, </FONT>Raqibul Hasan and Shamsur Rahman. All these players wouldn’t be on tour at the one time so he would only have about 7 or 8 players that he would be working with. </P><P><o:p></o:p></P><P> </P><P>In 3 years time the dream team for ODIs would be:</P><P><FONT face=
1. Tamim Iqbal: We have seen what this guy can do. In ODIs he came onto the scene with his knock against India in the WC 07, He has made a highest score of 129 and has made some solid scores apart from that. At just 19 now in 3 years time he will be 22 and hopefully being more consistent and scoring runs. By the time he is 25 he should be in top form and being the Matthew Hayden of Bangladesh cricket. By this stage he will be 10 years better off than Hayden.<o:p></o:p>

2. Shahriar Nafees: We know how good this guy can be he has scored 1000+ runs in a calendar year before in ODIs. Once he finds this form again I think it will be hard for him to get into a form slump again. Having scored 4 ODI hundreds and plenty of 50s he knows what to do at this level. At 22 now in 3 years he will be 25. Still very young for cricket but he will be scoring plenty of runs for his country. <o:p></o:p>

3. Aftab Ahmed: This guy has played well for Bangladesh in ODIs but seems to find ways to get himself out. He is the entertainer of the team. Having scored 14 ODI 50s he knows how to score runs. But just can’t go on with it. Time is very much on his side at 22 he will be 25 in 3 years and will have hopefully worked out his game and scored that century and many more that have eluded him. <o:p></o:p>

4. Mohammad Ashraful (c): He will still be the captain in my opinion. Being the most senior player in the group at this stage of his career he should be getting more consistent with his run scoring but he isn’t which is frustrating people and even now he is in a form slump. He just needs to believe in himself. At 23 almost 24 Ashraful will be 27 in 3 years time, he will be hitting his peak and scoring plenty of runs. Just think in 3 years time Ashraful might have 10 years left in him yet. What a massive career that will be he just needs to believe in himself.<o:p></o:p>

5. Shakib Al Hasan: At this current stage he is in the form of his career. He can do no wrong even though the whole side is. Scored his 2<SUP>nd</SUP> ODI hundred in his last game. Taking wickets with the ball as well as being economical. Not much more you can ask of this guy he will obviously have to have a slump at some stage and it will come probably sooner rather than later. But we know what this guy can do as we are seeing now. At 21 he will be 24 in 3 year’s time and still a very young cricketer. This guy could be a superstar but it will take time.<o:p></o:p>

6. Junaid Siddique: At the moment I believe the side is short 1 batsman. There are enough part time options to bowl out the 5<SUP>th</SUP> lot of 10 overs with Ashraful, Aftab and Shakib, usually Shakib would bowl the whole 10. So there is no need for another all-rounder. Siddique could swap with Shahriar Nafees in the opening spot also from this position. Mike Hussey does it for Australia so Saddique can do it for Bangladesh. Imagine in 3 years time Siddique coming in in the 35<SUP>th</SUP> over at 4/200 what kind of scores Bangladesh could make. In 3 years time he will be just 23. Still developing and becoming a world class player. <o:p></o:p>

7. Farhad Reza/Mahmadullah: This is the final allrounders spot. Mahmadullah would play on spinner friendly wickets in the subcontinent and Farhad would play in the juicy wickets elsewhere. This position is up for grabs and maybe one of them would cement their spot and force the other one out. This is going to be an interesting competition over the next 3 years. Reza is slightly more experienced at ODI level but both are proving assets to the team and both around the age of 22 will be 25 in 3 years and with plenty of cricket ahead of them. <o:p></o:p>

8. Dhiman Ghosh/Mushfiqur Rahim: The wicket keeper spot will be a fight between these two. Khaled Mashud seems to be out of the picture as selectors have gone with the youth policy. Dhiman Ghosh is a capable keeper but with the bat he has not shown a great deal in his 10 ODIs. Mushfiqur Rahim went through a form slump with both bat and gloves before being dropped. At only 19 and Dhiman 20 they both have plenty of time for improvement and to show their worth to the team. One of these players will be streets ahead in 3 years time and will have cemented their spot. <o:p></o:p>

9. Abdur Razzaq: Bangladesh’s best spinner now that Rafique has retired. At almost 26 he is the oldest player in the Bangladesh side. Having said this he probably has 10 years left in him. In 65 ODIs he has 91 wickets at 25.78. Is just outside the top 10 ODI bowlers and can stick around with the bat. In 3 years time he will be 29 and bowling well for Bangladesh.<o:p></o:p>

10. Mashrafe Mortaza: Bangladesh’s best and most unfortunate fast bowler. Has had a terrible time with injuries throughout his career otherwise he would be in the top 10 bowlers. Just finding his way back to top form now after yet another injury. Took his 100<SUP>th</SUP> ODI wicket recently at an average of 30.90. At 24 let’s hope his injuries are behind him and he can have 10 full years of cricket left in his body. In 3 years he will still be Bangladesh’s best fast bowler and at 27 he will be taking plenty of wickets. Also very handy with the bat as he has shown through scoring 30+ with Shakib and putting on 97 for the 9<SUP>th</SUP> wicket when Bangladesh were struggling in the last ODI. <o:p></o:p>

11. Shahadat Hossain/Syed Rasel: The third spot which is up for grabs. Both fast bowlers but bowl completely differently. Shahadat Hossain is an express pace man who can be erratic at times. On his day he can be lethal. At almost 22 he has plenty of time to find his line and length and become a more successful bowler. Syed Rasel is what Shahadat wants. He bowls the line and length that annoys batsman and they can’t score off his deliveries. An advantage for Syed is that he is a left arm bowler, which also makes him successful. At almost 24 he is a few years ahead of Shahadat in his development. In three years time I believe these players will still be fighting it out for this spot. Maybe Shahadat will win out if he finds his line and length. <o:p></o:p>
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The average age of this team of 14 players is 21.9 years of age. With an oldest player in Abdur Razzaq at almost 26 years of age. The youngest players are Mushfiqur Rahim and Tamim Iqbal at 19 years of age.
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So in 3 years time the average age of this side will be 25 years of age. Which would still be the youngest team in international cricket. The future for Bangladesh cricket looks bright if the selectors stick with a squad of very young players and nurture them through this tough stage they are currently in.

bourny3
April 17, 2008, 08:42 PM
How about this for the scores for Bangladesh in 3 years time:
Bangladesh V Australia
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T. Iqbal 50 (48)
S. Nafees 100 (106)
A. Ahmed 67 (58)
M. Ashraful 65* (57)
S. Al Hasan 32* (31)
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Extras 6
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Bangladesh off 50 overs 3/320
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Australia 9/220
Mortaza 10-2-40-4
Hossain 10-2-38-1
Razzaq 10-3-40-2
Mahmadullah 6-0-29-1
Al Hasan 10-2-51-1
Ahmed 4-0-22-0
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*Test Players to come in the next few weeks.<o:p></o:p>

bourny3
April 17, 2008, 08:44 PM
I will follow the progress of these players over the next 3 years and see if what I have predicted willl happen. From now all players are debuting and I will record their stats. From Pakistan v Bangladesh 5th ODI April 2008

detroitpagla
April 17, 2008, 08:57 PM
waste of a thread but here is what i think
3 years from today:

bd will be in same place

Ajfar
April 17, 2008, 09:02 PM
zahid bhai er ajaira thread sign ta gelo koi...

Haider
April 17, 2008, 09:48 PM
BD in 3 years ??? lol... How bout us as Fans in three years... Bald , fat and loosers for following useless morons that put our team jersy and call themselves professional athletes ... who can't even bat in international level , who can't bowl and field for sh*t. How bout u follow us fans for 3 years closely .. make a documentary ... see how miserable we will be in 3 years just for supporting the idiots on the field.

Haider
April 17, 2008, 09:51 PM
I will follow the progress of these players over the next 3 years and see if what I have predicted willl happen. From now all players are debuting and I will record their stats. From Pakistan v Bangladesh 5th ODI April 2008

lol.. I EXACTLY KNOW WHERE YOU GOIN WITH UR "3" YEAR STATS... U actualy one of those fans that believe BD is destined to win world cup 2011.. ahahahhaahahah. I think i hit the nail right on the head. :notworthy:

Haider
April 17, 2008, 09:54 PM
and for the 5th odi... pakistan is gonna unleashe their top game and dismantal bangledesh under 35 overs... with a score less than 140... here are our top batsmen scores
Tamim 8 (20)
Nafees 1 (12)
Aftab 0 (1)
Ashraf 7 (4)
Sakib 25 (28)
......

bourny3
April 18, 2008, 01:46 AM
Cheers for the faith how about you give them a chance they have a long career ahead of them. And no i dont think they will win WC 2011. But i reckon they will be much better.

wiseshah
April 18, 2008, 02:00 AM
BD in 3 years ??? lol... How bout us as Fans in three years... Bald , fat and loosers for following useless morons that put our team jersy and call themselves professional athletes ... who can't even bat in international level , who can't bowl and field for sh*t. How bout u follow us fans for 3 years closely .. make a documentary ... see how miserable we will be in 3 years just for supporting the idiots on the field.


hillarious . LOL. lOl

Shaan
April 18, 2008, 02:27 AM
S Rajesh is back guys, read his fresh article: http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/346822.html

al-Sagar
April 18, 2008, 03:12 AM
We have been imaging for a long time. This is what we had 3 years ago
Nafees iqbal
Hannan sarkar/ehsanul haq
Saleh/tushar
Ashrafool
Aftab
Kapali
Pilot
Razzak/manjarul rana
Tapash/mashrafe
Talha/tarek aziz
Bikash ranjan das/manjurul
Islam
What happenned to then in 3 years

BanCricFan
April 18, 2008, 03:28 AM
Detroit and Bangladesh-sy pagla, learn to appreciate others effort!

bourney3, I like your squad and like you I'm also very optimistic about our future. Don't mind the naysayers...they will be eating humble pies!

crikfreak
April 18, 2008, 04:05 AM
i'm positive about our cricket.. whatever you may say.. our cricket has improved over the years.. if not much.. but it has improved a bit.. and if we stick with this current bunch of players.. we could have a very strong team in another 3-4 years.. that is.. if our selectors stick with them..

mijanur
April 18, 2008, 05:00 AM
lols ony shadat might do good in 3 years, only him no1 else

jeesh
April 18, 2008, 05:35 AM
At the moment, thats what it looks like.

Rabz
April 18, 2008, 06:07 AM
Welcome back, Bourny3.
Very nice effort.

In 3 years time? to be honest, i have no idea where we will be.
Enough of speculations, done that a lot over the years.

Mahmood
April 18, 2008, 06:24 AM
We had and have many talented players, but at the end they all become Hannan/Kapali. Unless we change the political influenced BCB officials, and start having BCB run by people with cricket in their blood, we will not improve an inch.

We should have already been at least number 7.

Nasif
April 18, 2008, 06:32 AM
We had and have many talented players, but at the end they all become Hannan/Kapali. Unless we change the political influenced BCB officials, and start having BCB run by people with cricket in their blood, we will not improve an inch.

We should have already been at least number 7.

I would say our local league is the main problem. With a crappy league you will have crappy pool of players. Stars at national leauge become hannan/kapali in international arena. We need good wickets, completitive matches and there should be financials gains involved so that winning team is rewarded hansomely. Otherwise the lethargic attitude towards monotonous national league will create the hannan/kapalis forever in never ending loop.

Ofcourse, I am not saying there isn't problem in the board. Political mentality is well in the core of BCB. That should be fixed also. We need right people in right places.

jeesh
April 18, 2008, 06:42 AM
Makes sense. This year was a bit better in terms of domestic cricket. Slightly more competitive. We need to build on this. And our selection policy has to change. Siddons isnt involved in selection right?

The_Yorker
April 18, 2008, 07:26 AM
bourny3- in your added list, you picked Imrul Kayash, for excellent performance (100% agree), but you didn't pick Naeem Islam who just scored back to back centuties (136, 161) against SA Academy and carries excellent NCL performance. You also didn't pick Suhrawadi Shuvo who has done excellent against SA Academy, under 19 and NCL as a bowler. I am sure there are may other excellent players. Any perticular reason why you didn't pick these players but picked Imrul Kayash or even Shamsur Rahman?

Yameen
April 18, 2008, 07:49 AM
We have been imaging for a long time. This is what we had 3 years ago
Nafees iqbal
Hannan sarkar/ehsanul haq
Saleh/tushar
Ashrafool
Aftab
Kapali
Pilot
Razzak/manjarul rana
Tapash/mashrafe
Talha/tarek aziz
Bikash ranjan das/manjurul
Islam
What happenned to then in 3 years

Your missing someone from the list, our best batsman at that time and also the captain Habibul Bashar!

nayan
April 18, 2008, 07:50 AM
waste of a thread but here is what i think
3 years from today:

bd will be in same place

I agree!

Prime
April 18, 2008, 08:03 AM
I like your optimism bourny3, but assuming with age\playing time they will get better just doesn't seem to work for BD. I will consede some of that may be due to selections, and not getting opportunities. But even if the 25 U suggests was kept for 3 years, you may come away with 4-5 International caliber players, but not 14. That still leaves BD 6 players short of being a top team. IMHO.

BANFAN
April 18, 2008, 08:07 AM
BD might as well be more behind than others. Coz all others are also improving, they aren't standing still. So it will depend on the rate of mprovement we are achieving. I am not hopeful to any drastic change from the current situation.

Ehsan
April 18, 2008, 08:36 AM
I would say our local league is the main problem. With a crappy league you will have crappy pool of players. Stars at national leauge become hannan/kapali in international arena. We need good wickets, completitive matches and there should be financials gains involved so that winning team is rewarded hansomely. Otherwise the lethargic attitude towards monotonous national league will create the hannan/kapalis forever in never ending loop.

Ofcourse, I am not saying there isn't problem in the board. Political mentality is well in the core of BCB. That should be fixed also. We need right people in right places.

Fixing national league may not just be the solution. We have more than one thing on hand to fix or get better. Tell me how many of our national players perform in the league? They are as pathetic in the national league as the are in international games. I feel it involves some psychological and motivational factor. Look at Junaid Siddiqui, he was scoring tons in national league and as soon as he got into national team the draught started for him in both national and international games. I don't think our players motivate themselves enough to perform, and hold onto consistency. The only motivation factor they have is getting into national team. I think we do need a team psychologist.

Further, to add to the problem our young players don't have tendulkar, murali, wasim or imran khan to learn from. We just don't have enough quality senior players to guide these youngsters. Look at Srilanka, or even India, when they put in some young players they always have seniors for consultation, guidance, tips, fixing mistakes, and taking pressure off during game times.

So, overall, we just need to give our cricketers some time. They will eventually get to the top, but it will take much much longer than we anticipate. The competitive cricketing culture is not established yet.

None of the players we have had yet were successful to establish 'consistentism'. Let's take a look at the trend of players we have had.

ICC Trophy 1997 Era - Hardworking cricketers with Very LIMITED Talent and VERY VERY VERY Inconsistent
World Cup 1999 Era - Hardworking cricketers with SLIGHT Talent but VERY VERY Inconsistent
World Cup 2003 Era - Some what less Hardworking cricketers with SOME Talent and OVER Confident but VERY Inconsistent
World Cup 2007 Era - Less Hardworking cricketers with Talent and VERY Inconsistent

So, if you take a look at above, you would notice that Hardwork has been slowly replaced with Talent. Cricketers are not as hardworking as in the past where people had to work hard to replace their inadequacy of talent. What you would also notice is that the inconsistency has slightly decreased. Earlier we would DREAM of upsets, but now we are CAPABLE of making upsets because we have talented players. However, we would not find consistency unless this equation is fulfilled, Consistency = Hardwork + Talent + Motivation.

In conclusion, we are slowly moving in the right direction but it will take more time than we anticipated. The progress has been some what slow compared to our expectations which increased with here and there upsets.

Prediction based on the trend and current situation: World Cup 2011 Era - Some what Hardworking Cricketers with Talent but Inconsistent (eg. Rokibul Hasan).

desirocker
April 18, 2008, 08:59 AM
hopefully, the team will improve a lot.

Prime
April 18, 2008, 09:12 AM
Further, to add to the problem our young players don't have tendulkar, murali, wasim or imran khan to learn from. We just don't have enough quality senior players to guide these youngsters. Look at Srilanka, or even India, when they put in some young players they always have seniors for consultation, guidance, tips, fixing mistakes, and taking pressure off during game times.

Didn't we drop or showed the door to most of the experienced cricketers (Rafique, Bashar, Pilot, JO..) for youth movement. Seems blame is rightly at the door of BCB, it would be their responsibility to motivate the players. Time to go to a truly pay for performance contract. Score a duck and walk away with $0.

bourny3
April 18, 2008, 09:29 AM
The Yorker:

Yes i did miss those players and im sure they will be in with a strong chance as some of the players currently in the squad will drop off like Hannan and Kapali. I was just giving a small squad and im sure the whole squad of players in contention over the next few years will be larger. Those players should definitely be in that larger squad throught their recent performances and if they continue to perform in that fashion.

Ehsan
April 18, 2008, 09:52 AM
Didn't we drop or showed the door to most of the experienced cricketers (Rafique, Bashar, Pilot, JO..) for youth movement.

The problem there is that only two of them were some what class players - Rafique and Bashar. Rafique's retirement could be blamed on BCB, but let's face it he was getting old and would have retired in a year or two eventually. Bashar has lost it, he has only 50% chance to make it back to the team. So, the experienced players of NOW - Ashraful and Aftab namely (in terms of bowling: Mashrafe, Razzak, Shahadat) will have to be those seniors who will be guiding the youngsters. And it will take some time (since they are still young) for Ashraful and Aftab to settle into the "senior position" - growing old, maturing and having a good head on their shoulders.

After 7-8 years we might find some consistency, but it may not be the level of consistency that we expect. A new generation awaits. Practically, it will take generations for a new cricketting nation to be competitive, and when throwed in this era where other teams are also developing fast, it gets a bit difficult. So, there is not much point by expecting highly of our current players. We are in the transition phase.

Fazal
April 18, 2008, 10:03 AM
Didn't we drop or showed the door to most of the experienced cricketers (Rafique, Bashar, Pilot, JO..) for youth movement. .


You raised a good point to discuss.

It depends what type of experienced players you are talking and really what they bring into the table.

Just face it, none of our experienced players are Tendulker/Ganguly/Akram caliber players. Few years ago our u-19 coach (mcInes) said in this website that he doesn’t want our ex-national players anywhere near his under-19 players, and he said it for reasons. You are exposing them to bad traits.

Now see the recent older players:

Rafiq can help them with our young spinners but on the other hand he have too much hatred towards the management, they cannot trust him. Also his communication and teamwork skills are also questionable, even though personally he may be very good person.

Bashar has the mentor mentality, but his own form is a big question mark. Too much exposed to defeat and thereby lost his fighting mentality. Plus I don't know what he can teach to the kids that really will help them.

Pilot can teach the young WKs, but will he? He didn't helped Rahim when they were both together. He didn't took the young kid under his arm like old stars supposed to do. He saw him as competator and distanced himslef and treated him as enemy. He is not a typical mentor type.

The furthest a young batsman can stay from Ashraful the better it is. Remember when Aftab came? He used to be in the mold of a solid batsman when he first came to the national team. Now he is a duplicate of Ashraful in-terms of attitude. Why is that? Why he suddenly changed? How much do you think it has influence of Ashraful and watching how fans/management/media admire Ashraful's reckless batting? He smelled the path to stardom, and he followed that path. Ashraful is riding solely based on his talent. Aftab is doing the same. Ashraful will teach exactly opposite what the coach will try to teach the young players in the team.

So I don't see much harm if the more experienced players exit our team sooner than later. The new breed of players like Sakib, Tamim, Junaid, Shahadat, Farhad, Riad are our future. The less they are exposed to bad habits the better will be their chance to succeed

mahbubH
April 18, 2008, 10:16 AM
After three years of time we will have more Asrafools than regular cricketers. I want to see some crcketers in the team who can play "Common sense cricket", thats all. I don't want to see a flashy 50 want to see a hardworking 30!!

thebest
April 18, 2008, 10:17 AM
Ok,
I want HB back to mentor this young guns. He would score 10 i.e. we are just short 12 runs if the Gadhas (either Ash or aftab) play on average. But the intangible benefit of bringing him would be much more. Or can we make Sujon our non playing captain. He is the ideal one to teach how to utilize one's talent (in his case a little more than me). He is just an inspirational leader. The best captain we have. But I agree The less they are exposed to bad bolod the better. [বাংলা]দুষ্ট গরু থেকে শূণ্য্ গোয়াল ভাল[/বাংলা]

Tigers_eye
April 18, 2008, 10:19 AM
One player I like to mention that I miss is Rajin in test. Yes, he is technically flawed. But his determination could rub off some of the newbies. In test, I'd take Dravid over Ganguly for one down. And one down is our problem. All strokemakers and no grafters.

Tigers_eye
April 18, 2008, 10:20 AM
Ok,
... [বাংলা]দুষ্ট গরু থেকে শূণ্য্ গোয়াল ভাল[/বাংলা]
and nai mama'r cheye kana mama bhalo.

shukh nai. kothao shukh nai.

Beamer
April 18, 2008, 10:23 AM
Fazal

Since that promotion to no.3 against Zim in Dhaka when Rafiq opened the batting with him, Aftab has treated the no.3 position reserved for a pinch hitter type, when in reality, it is much more than that. Whatmore must take a bit of responsibility for that. He is trying hard to get back to the original Aftab when he came to the scene first. Its a difficult adjusting period. Quality wise, he is a much better player than a sole pinch hitter. Its up to him to re-transform himself. He still has to manage a good SR in ODI's when he comes at no.3.

Prime
April 18, 2008, 11:16 AM
Agree that it will take a while, but after 7-9 years it will be a different world of cricket and BD may not be a Test playing nation. And I also question how big a influence fellow team members can be as far as temperment. In this world we live in of web-casts and stats on demand, players probably see a wide variety of players and shots. Although Ashraful may be star in BD, I would think players who troured internationally have seem how much bigger a star Ganguly, Tandulkar, Afridi are (and wealthier). So I don't buy into younger needing to follow the senior players, there are plenty of other role models out there to emulate.

I am just bashing on everything and not really offering solutions, so here goes:
1. Pick 25 players for national team eligibles, and stick with it for the next 2/3 years.
2. Select teams for ODI/Test, should be consistent only changing 2/3 players for ODI vs Test.
3. Let the 10-11 players not picked for any series play A side. These players should only be called up to National team after min. 3 successful tours/series or 6 months of good form.
4. National team players who are selected for a series should play entire series (except injury ofcourse). No knee jerk reactions to 1-2 failed games. Let the player relax knowing they have entire series/tour and probably next 2 series before they may be dropped. Our batters are too impatient, and less to worry about can only help.
5. That does not mean they will not be dropped for non performance, after 3/4 series or 6 months of bad form, player may be relegated to A team. Does not matter which player, Ash to Zunaid (A - Z, get it). And all matches are counted, NCL, DPL, and National team. There is no off-season.
6. After 2/3 years evaluate where they are in world cricket. Are they better off? Are players making progress? Time for a new approach? Hopefully at that point you may have found some consistency, or at least identified 4-5 players that are keepers and setup a new 25.
7.Schedule more matches, for National and A sides. There has to be some Associate team that wants to get in a few matches. Cricket board really needs to get creative and provide the most amount of matches possible for national team and send A team on tours of different pitches (England, Aus, NZ, SA). Dole out the $$
8. Domestic leagues like NCL and DPL needs boot in funding. And not just from BCB, for league to be successful it has to stand on its own feet. Clubs needs to generate money through means like gate receits+broadcast rights+ad space+merchandising...like other self-sustainig leagues (EPL, NFL, F1). IF there is a successful domestic league, This also creates a greater selection pool of players. Have larger number of players giving cricket full attention knowing there is some 300 spots available in the different teams.
8. What the Board is responsible for is developing youth cricket. Be it at the school level in setting up pitch, donating equipment, provide coaching. Or setting up more independent district board that would facilitate growth in their area. Having not lived there for a while, and not knowing current corruption level, don't know which would be better.
9. Board has to be built on the best interest of cricket. No political appointments, but knowledable about the game. Selectors needs to work with Coach to identify and stick with game plan and players.
10. Jalal at every warmup.

Ehsan
April 18, 2008, 11:29 AM
So I don't buy into younger needing to follow the senior players, there are plenty of other role models out there to emulate.

We were not just talking about role models, we were talking about guidance and mentoring even while the game is on. Watch how its done in bigger teams like India, and SL.

BTW overall, you've made good points. A good plan of action that may benefit our cricket. But then again, it will take time, there is no magic formula that we fans expect.

Russell2k7
April 18, 2008, 04:59 PM
Imagine 3 years time? hmm...Ashraful's avg still 20 something.

ialbd
April 18, 2008, 05:51 PM
hmm 3 years time...... more dreams & hopes.... sure, why not? not that we have sth to hold onto at the moment.....

but I am afraid now more top teams are just gonna invite us for ODIs only...
sigh.... too many problems, too few solutions....

al-Sagar
April 18, 2008, 10:05 PM
Your missing someone from the list, our best batsman at that time and also the captain Habibul Bashar!

I intentionally omitted bashar. I only picked up young players who were showing lots of promise 3 years ago and were tipped of being the next big thing in these 3 years.
Bashar was not promising, he was at the peek of his potential

bourny3
April 20, 2008, 09:23 PM
More games is a must. Even though our performance is bad. Teams like Australia and England and India play 14-16 tests and 35-40 ODIs a year. Whereas Bangladesh play 6-8 Tests and 30-35 ODIs. Bangladesh play too many ODIs or maybe to little tests. If none of the test nations are touring arrange a 4 day game against Ireland or Kenya or any of the strong associate sides. Even zimbabwe. When are Zimbabwe back in the test arena. When Ireland played in Bangladesh recently they only played 3 ODIs there obviously wasnt enough time for a 4 day match but why not invite them back and play 2 4 day games and 3 ODIs again. Also Zimbabwe should come and play 3 5 day games and 5 ODIs. Bangladesh has large gaps in their Future tours programme so the board should think of these options.

Eshen
April 20, 2008, 10:14 PM
Little less than three years ago, Aftab, Ashraful, and Shahriar looked like players full of high potential (I am talking about the NatWest series), now they all look like players full of crap - this is the story of Bangladesh cricket so far.

zainab
April 21, 2008, 06:12 AM
Little less than three years ago, Aftab, Ashraful, and Shahriar looked like players full of high potential (I am talking about the NatWest series), now they all look like players full of crap - this is the story of Bangladesh cricket so far.


I saw a few matches of the Nat West series and I do agree, they did play well there, even though they got beaten except for the one australia match, but Aftab and Ashraful was much better.
Now, they look a shadow of their former selves, dont know why?

Who knows what will happen in 3 years time, some of these players might be national discards.

Kabir
April 21, 2008, 08:57 AM
Little less than three years ago, Aftab, Ashraful, and Shahriar looked like players full of high potential (I am talking about the NatWest series), now they all look like players full of crap - this is the story of Bangladesh cricket so far.

It's a vicious cycle my friend.

karimjay.
December 2, 2008, 03:39 AM
this started off as such a good thread.

it was killed by negative fans who can't appreciate the work of others.

look, if your outlook on our cricket is that it will always be hopeless; get off this forum, it isn't for you.

if you don't believe you can't achieve.

have you ever thought of this: is it the bangladeshi cricketers that are killing our cricket, or is it us? fans.