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Eshen
April 18, 2008, 10:52 AM
Karachi, April 18: : Lashing out at the Pakistan Cricket Board, former captain Javed Miandad on Friday said it would have been better to play Australia in their own backyard than hosting minnows Bangladesh at home for a needless series.

He said if Cricket Australia had offered to host Pakistan, the PCB should have accepted the invitation.

Miandad, one of the greats of Pakistan cricket and a former coach, believes the national team has gained nothing from playing the five-match home series against Bangladesh and it will be the visitors who will benefit from the experience.

"Whether we win four-nil or five-nil, there is no importance of this series. Neither is it going to be beneficial for our cricket. If anything, the series will only benefit the Bangladeshi side," he said.

Pakistan invited Bangladesh for five one-dayers and a Twenty20 game after the Australians refused to tour in March for a full Test tour because of security concerns.

"Playing against Bangladesh gives us no idea of where our cricket stands. Individual performances also lose their gloss," Miandad said.

The former captain added that playing against Bangladesh would not allow Pakistan to know about its weaknesses and strengths.

"The problem of bowling no balls and wides still persists and I don't see what we will achieve by again sending in Kamran Akmal as an opener. Against top opposition, he has failed in the past. Now even if he scores, it tells us nothing," Miandad said.

"Even if we win 5-0 (against Bangladesh), so what? People don't want to come to watch one-sided matches and that is what this series is. There was no need to organise it."

Full Report (http://cricket.expressindia.com/news/Bangladesh-series-useless-for-Pakistan-Miandad/298537/)

meazz1
April 18, 2008, 10:57 AM
You really can't blame him for this comment.....so true.

HereWeGo
April 18, 2008, 11:08 AM
give us a couple more years....Our invitation to pakistan shall no longer be based on Absese of Australia from touring party.

Till then i am willing to keep my mouth shut....

Protic
April 18, 2008, 11:10 AM
Ki ar bolbo.. bolar kisu nai.

tanim3960
April 18, 2008, 11:12 AM
May be he is right

bdchamp20
April 18, 2008, 11:13 AM
Well you cant do anything if no one wants to tour you, so shut up Miandad!

mali007
April 18, 2008, 11:23 AM
I don't agree with him 100%. Our performance in the 3rd ODI was commandable . During our last tour Miandad was coach of pakistan and he knew very well how we were beaten by umpire and Rashid Latif's unsportsmanship!!!!

Tigers_eye
April 18, 2008, 11:27 AM
Useless for Pakistan.
Harmful for SN, Ash.
Important for Tamim, Shakib and Riyad.
Opportunity for Zunaid.
Amunation for me.
Understanding performers better for Siddons.

nasimul
April 18, 2008, 12:10 PM
Haati khade porle eidur o lathi mare...aar amader oboshtha to tar chao kharap....kotha to shuntei hobe tai na....

Beamer
April 18, 2008, 12:14 PM
Shut your pie hole Miandad. Or go hiding like your off springs terrorist father-in-law..

Rabz
April 18, 2008, 12:45 PM
From pak's point of view,he is right.
they stand to gain nothing from this series besides prolonging their winnings streak.

WarWolf
April 18, 2008, 12:47 PM
This is natural. In fact, what he said is true...

RazabQ
April 18, 2008, 12:48 PM
And I suppose the TV rights money, sponsorship dollars and the (albeit modest) gate takings are useless for Mr. Miandad too? I suppose the next time he gets called in as a consultant to the PCB he should offer to do it for free. Right now all I wanna hear from him is that he's grateful to our team for coming and visiting when no one else would want to visit.

Razi
April 18, 2008, 12:50 PM
Well you cant do anything if no one wants to tour you, so shut up Miandad!

I don't agree with him 100%. Our performance in the 3rd ODI was commandable . During our last tour Miandad was coach of pakistan and he knew very well how we were beaten by umpire and Rashid Latif's unsportsmanship!!!!

So true...!!!

Sohel
April 18, 2008, 01:25 PM
Does Miandad feel somehow threatend by Miandad 2.0 from Magura ? ... :smug:

Ajfar
April 18, 2008, 01:25 PM
as much as it hurts he is ryt..

akabir77
April 18, 2008, 01:33 PM
Playing wise he is right but he is forgetting the big picture. why we are there?

Us being there proves to other nations that it is safe to tour there and thats i think should all they he and his friends should think about before thinking about their performance.

What good is to have great performance in the team if no one wants to come to your ground to play? r u going to drink performance washed watter? it shows he is still a joker...

auntu
April 18, 2008, 01:44 PM
shune kharap lagte pare but eha boroi nirmom shotto

AsifTheManRahman
April 18, 2008, 02:12 PM
From a performance POV, he's right. But he's forgetting the fact that bombs go off everyday in his country, and we aren't charging match fees.

Shaan
April 18, 2008, 02:16 PM
From a performance POV, he's right. But he's forgetting the fact that bombs go off everyday in his country, and we aren't charging match fees.

EXACTLY...

RazabQ
April 18, 2008, 02:25 PM
From a performance POV, he's right.No he's not. If he wanted his team to be tested, all they needed to do was prepare some sporting pitches. Our bowlers could have given their batters a proper test of skills. And don't tell me Sohail whatshisname learning to bowl at the death or Umar Gul and Asif coming back to fitness in match situations is not a useful take-away.

Miandad the player was "la jawab" - one of my all-time faves
Mianded the ex-player and occasional insert-foot-in-mouther - still "la jawab" but in the way that GWB is. Heck even a T-rex will be tempted to sarcastically call this guy "yo brainiac".
Miandad the person - have no idea 'cept that his choice of in-laws was not the most prudent one.

Isnaad
April 18, 2008, 02:32 PM
The only thing we can do now is prove him wrong. Jago Bangladesh, Bangher Gorjon ano!!!

Pundit
April 18, 2008, 02:34 PM
I was able to ignore his loose mouth during his playing days, being a great admirer of him.

But honestly, he should start excercising the same level of intelligence when making public statements - all he ended up saying is Bangladesh is a loser (which everybody knows), playingwise, and his own Pakistan is an even bigger one because know one even has any remote interest in them what so ever, besides perhaps the Pentagon hawks.

Can he not see...India has surpassed them in Cricket performance, and making money out of Cricket, in World prestige e.t.c. and one of these days the Americans are going to obliterate the western half of his ountry out of the map just to "catch" one person. If he feels that deriding someone way down there makes him feel better, then he is not too far from the "lower ones" himself. Sorry Mr. M, you are a pale reflection of your past, and turning into a bigger loser by the day. And that has nothing to do with Bangladesh.

SS
April 18, 2008, 02:39 PM
Hey Miandad it's too late you said it...the series is over most probably we will see you again in few years...by that time ...the news thread will show...
"Pakistan series useless for Bangladesh: Sir Habibul Bashar"

ialbd
April 18, 2008, 02:44 PM
so ok, is he saying it was better for Pak to sit on their a** rather than playing BD and keep the team in match practice and look for newer talents??

hmm interesting way of thinking.......

if playing against BD is no better than practice, how can there be a bad practice? a practice is just practice ....

The_Yorker
April 18, 2008, 02:59 PM
Being a great sportsman and one of the best cricketers of all time, I expect Miandad to make valuable comments. What he is saying is that since Bangladesh is a weaker team, it does not really help them improving their side. So using the same logic, Australia, India, SA, NZ, England, SL and even WI should not play Bangladesh. But is it the notion of playing sports that only stronger teams will always play against stronger teams? What about when Pakistan once was a weaker team? Australia and England could have said the same thing to Pakistan. If that really happened, the great Miandad would probably be driving taxi in Karachi today- no one in history could have ever found out the ingenuity of the cricket maestro Miandad. So sad he does not see himself.

bdchamp20
April 18, 2008, 04:23 PM
I dont take this guy's comments seriously. Why is he even allowed to speak to the media? His son married a don/terrorist's daughter. They should be thanking us, and saying sorry for the poor arrangements. Is it really useless for them when considering players like Nasir Jamshed, Sohail Khan and Wahab Riaz are getting international exposure? Umar Gul and Mohammad Asif are regaining their fitness in this series. This guy needs to be made to shut up.

Murad
April 18, 2008, 04:26 PM
Miandad = Boycott of England.

Few months earlier, Harmission or something shut Boycotts ugly mouth with a nice speech. Since then Boycott didn't make any comments about the players.

Now someone else should stand up to shut Miandad's ugly mouth.

Russell2k7
April 18, 2008, 04:57 PM
It is definitely not useless for Pakistan nor is it for Bangladesh. Although, The only thing that is useless is Bangladesh performance...so far.

desirocker
April 18, 2008, 05:37 PM
From his prospective, this series is pointless for them.

ialbd
April 18, 2008, 05:43 PM
on the second thought I realised, he might have said this just to get back at PCB, as like many others he is quite pissed at them for reasons...

al Furqaan
April 18, 2008, 06:52 PM
You really can't blame him for this comment.....so true.

you can blame him for his stance on helping bangladesh cricket. when was the last time pak played us in a series?

detroitpagla
April 18, 2008, 07:00 PM
i agree with dumb miandad if we were pakis we would say the same thing

arafath79
April 18, 2008, 07:15 PM
No he's not. If he wanted his team to be tested, all they needed to do was prepare some sporting pitches. Our bowlers could have given their batters a proper test of skills. Miandad the person - have no idea 'cept that his .

Huh ??? Our bowlers could have given their batters a proper test... ?? What would their quick bowlers do ?? Angul chusto ? Their bowlers would make our batters crying out of the field by giving them deadly bouncer and got them out under 100 on more than one occassion. Remember the 4th ODI ??? Little bit of early movement of new ball threaten our BD batsmen and thanks a lot to Sakib and tail enders to save BD from getting out below 100 ! Luckily Bangladeshi players are playing on the batting wicket that is helping them to score above 200 runs.

If Bangladesh can win the 5th ODI and get PAkistan all out under 100 runs I would still say Bangladesh team is still not as strong as Pakistan team or even close to them. Bangladeshi players are still learning and they need more time to be a good cricket team.

sayem
April 18, 2008, 07:34 PM
Offcousre Miandad is right and he has every right to comment the way he did...Its Bangladesh/ team who needs to be blamed for every thing...ICC has done enough for Bangladesh and its up to BD to pull up their socks and perform and stop making excuses.if they dont than the BD should be kicked out of the regular international arena cos they are not worthy and are not bringing any benefits to the world cricket but making teams like kenya, scotland, zimbabwe and ireland envy them..we have seen enough "Talent" and "future" stars...no results...Pethetic team with a stupid and captain..

Dhruvo
April 18, 2008, 07:34 PM
even though it hurts but its true,we are having the profits,but if we win an odi then maybe we can change his thoughts,we as fans should just keep our cool and wait,lets just wait a few years , and then we will say the same thing against pakistan,it is all about patience.

rashed_va
April 18, 2008, 07:38 PM
Miandad is right, we did benefit from this series. I think this series was the best for Bd since the WC as it showed some of our potentials. As for Paki not getting anything out of it - oh well what you gonna do? It sucks for them if they didn't. I ain't taking any insult from his words.

ehteshamul
April 18, 2008, 08:26 PM
I do not understand why Miandad is being hostile to us with his sarcastic comments.

His timing is also not appropriate . There is one One dayer to go . It dose not speak well of the host country Ex great

Did Miandad say a similar thing when Pakistan whitewashed Zimbabwe 5 -0. ? I don’t think so . Did Pakistan gain anything ?

Off course they did . It was a great opportunity to blood youngsters and unearth a new talent.

Naseer Jamshed was Pakistan’s find from Zimbabwean tour. Wasn’t he ?

I am very surprised why Sarfraz a future star wicketkeeper was not given any chance against Bangladesh so far ?

Pakistan’s benefit from the tours obviously is twofold : Firstly to blood new faces and groom them for the future and Secondly show to the world that it is a safe place to play cricket.

From Bangladesh’s point of view it has helped us to identify a number of weaknesses.

Against real pace our batsmen barring Tammim, Shaqib and to some extent Aftab, Riyad ,Reza rest are succumbing.

Also it is very unfair to blame the batsmen only.

Our pacemen have been smashed all round the wicket by Pakistani batsmen with ease.

In other words they have not been penetrative and not striking early enough to cause concern to Pakistani batsmen especially openers which is a matter of concern for us .

It is true Mashrafee took wickets at the latter stage , but by that time enough damage has been done.

It goes to a lot of credit to our batsmen that despite a dismal opening partnership in almost all the one dayers some body stood up to avoid the rot. In that context lets take Our hats Off to Tammim who batted with so much confidence and his drives/pulls were of the top order and a treat to watch; Mohamadullah was great in terms of patience, coolness and lending support to others, Off course Sakib was our superstar. Barring the first one dayer which was marred by lights shutdown we have consistently built up totals of 200 + against a world class Pakistani pace attack. Siddons and Bangladesh batsmen deserves credit for that .

Though Razzaq is a top class spinner , I am not sure why he was reduced to a mediocre.

I think for the future we seriously need to fine tune our Bowling attack by hiring a Bowling coach.

I do not think Siddons will be able to help BD in this aspect as he is a batting coach.

It baffles me that under Siddons Ashraful’s performance has reached its lowest ebb.

Even when there was no coach or assistant coach available before Siddons took over, Ashraful did manage a century in the test and a record partnership with Mushfiqur. during Bangladesh’s tour of Sri Lanka

Ashraful’s talent we all know . But he has been having a poor run of scores for a while.

This is not acceptable at any level of cricket. Is captaincy being too taxing for him ?
Siddons is accountable to BCCB and to our people as well.

It cannot go on like this. If the captain has sorry scores it rubs in other team members and it is impossible to extract the maximum out of the team.

He should also stop saying it will take 2 years to reach this /that level. Bangladesh had been now playing for a while and has capability of beating the very best. We have all seen that in the past.

I would still say Nafees and Ashraful has talent that is being wasted by not addressing their weaknesses.

Did not Nafees score a century against top Australian pace attack and against the magician Shane Warne some years back

How come the same player is faltering now ?. We all know that he played bad in this series . I really feel sorry for him. Fall of form happens to many players like Sourav, Hayden, Mark Taylor and so many. When that happens they should be given rest. Work on their problems with Batting coaches – Imported/ No local. Otherwise it will become a disease that they will not be able to overcome. This is a mental thing. Siddons will not be able to help.. Siddons/BD has to hire a specialist who trains on the mental aspect. All big teams have this.

Lets hope BD is able to fight neck and neck on the last one dayer and give their countrymen something to cheer about.

We are all praying . You can do it Tigers.

Kabir
April 18, 2008, 09:36 PM
There's two things.

1. Is he giving the right analysis? - May be yes

2. Is this the type of thing a host should say? - Absolutely not

If he doesn't know how to thank Bangladesh for helping out at the time when Australia slapped them hard on the face, there's really nothing we can do about it. Yes, even we would've liked to play against Australia rather than Pakistan...but we didn't say that out loud.

Mahir
April 18, 2008, 10:28 PM
If [Miandad] wanted his team to be tested, all they needed to do was prepare some sporting pitches. Our bowlers could have given their batters a proper test of skills. And don't tell me Sohail whatshisname learning to bowl at the death or Umar Gul and Asif coming back to fitness in match situations is not a useful take-away.


Agreed.

Huh ??? Our bowlers could have given their batters a proper test... ?? What would their quick bowlers do ?? Angul chusto ? Their bowlers would make our batters crying out of the field by giving them deadly bouncer and got them out under 100 on more than one occassion.

would've... could've... should've...! For what it's worth, I could also say that on a more sporting pitch, we could've had them bundled out under 100 and then chase it down comfortably, no ?

I was able to ignore his loose mouth during his playing days, being a great admirer of him.

But honestly, he should start excercising the same level of intelligence when making public statements - all he ended up saying is Bangladesh is a loser (which everybody knows), playingwise, and his own Pakistan is an even bigger one because know one even has any remote interest in them what so ever, besides perhaps the Pentagon hawks.

Can he not see...India has surpassed them in Cricket performance, and making money out of Cricket, in World prestige e.t.c. and one of these days the Americans are going to obliterate the western half of his ountry out of the map just to "catch" one person. If he feels that deriding someone way down there makes him feel better, then he is not too far from the "lower ones" himself. Sorry Mr. M, you are a pale reflection of your past, and turning into a bigger loser by the day. And that has nothing to do with Bangladesh.

Ditto. :up:

layperson
April 18, 2008, 10:34 PM
He has said the harsh truth but obviously diplomacy is not his strongest point. I would prefer to keep my mouth shut and listen to such "declarations" until we as a team start to perform more consistently. In order for the fans to retort back logically the team has to provide us with the firepower, unfortunately based on our erratic display of cricket over the years and continuing we cannot retort back to these sorts of negative criticism. Ekhon er jonno hojom korbo along with my dinner for tonight.

Kabir
April 18, 2008, 11:06 PM
Listen, it's not that anyone disagrees with him. It's just that, there's a decency factor that should kick-in. May be only a slap on his face will make him realize that Bangladesh is doing Pakistan a favor by visiting at their OWN cost. Yes it's reciprocal...coz Pakistan will have to do the same after a year or two (based on the agreement). But the issue is like insulting your guest when they're at your home.

Anyway, I never liked him that much. To me, he's just a "bolod".

Nafis_BD
April 18, 2008, 11:17 PM
Listen, it's not that anyone disagrees with him. It's just that, there's a decency factor that should kick-in. May be only a slap on his face will make him realize that Bangladesh is doing Pakistan a favor by visiting at their OWN cost. Yes it's reciprocal...coz Pakistan will have to do the same after a year or two (based on the agreement). But the issue is like insulting your guest when they're at your home.

Anyway, I never liked him that much. To me, he's just a "bolod".

Ditto.

There should be some decency in him. This is just plain rude to say that to an INVITED guest. I hope next time our team makes Miandad eat his words.

desirocker
April 18, 2008, 11:27 PM
From his prospective, this series is pointless for them.

On the second thought, Mr. Miandad's opinoin or thought is useless and valueless to me because I felt like he is neglecting our cricket(ers). In simple word I don't give a sh*t what he think and Fu***K u Mr. Miandad.



sorry bangla cricket bros. I couldn't help it. Please don't bann me but if u really have to please don't do it until 20-20 match is finished.

zainab
April 18, 2008, 11:35 PM
What a moron this guy is ! And what morons BCB is for agreeing to this hastily arranged tour.
If things get worse in Pakistan, then teams will not want to come for the Champions Trophy in September, this will serve them right, hope that it happens and the venue gets shifted to Sri lanka or even India.

Sohel
April 19, 2008, 12:30 AM
This is what happens if we, thanks mainly to our top order (except Tamim), continue to be bone-headed and make the matches look a lot easier than they need to be.

A single victory will change some minds, Inshallah.

When that happens, guys like Rajesh, Boycs and Miandad will realize that the gap between us and the Top 8 is pretty much the same as the gap between us and those below us, including the resurgent Zimbabwe at this stage, and that WE HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

Miandad, one of my favorite players, has never been known to be anything other than "unorthodox" and "rustic" both on and off the field, to put it politely and not appear "classist".

That said, he is much better than the trio of Pakistani idiots slash BD-haters: Bakwaaz Nawaz, Ramiz Condom and the biggest garhol slash hondol-kutkut of them all, Aamir Sohail.

It is up to our beloved baulods to answer them all with a "wiktry".

al-Sagar
April 19, 2008, 12:59 AM
Its never useless

sonarbangla
April 19, 2008, 01:21 AM
agree. no complain against miadad miah. say.. we said the same thing when bd won against kenya or ireland lately. phft. who cares if SN gets a 100 against em.

BD-BLAST
April 19, 2008, 03:25 AM
Ignore this Paki. He is just a has been now.

He is controversial. After he even coached to his own Paki team he created rifts in the team. He is saying this so that he gets his name on the paper.

Let the barking Paki bark. A bloody low life scum that Miandad.

TaxiDriver
April 19, 2008, 04:23 AM
Umm I dont really pay much attention to Miandad but at this time...I think his comments are totally reasonable! Bangladesh has not proved to be a side that will test the opposition...hence when he says Pakistan will gain nothing..he is bang on target!

arafath79
April 19, 2008, 06:30 AM
Agreed.



would've... could've... should've...! For what it's worth, I could also say that on a more sporting pitch, we could've had them bundled out under 100 and then chase it down comfortably, no ?



Ditto. :up:

That was very childish thinking by you. Bangladesh never managed to bundle out any team (even Ireland, Hong KOng, Bermuda) under 100 ? You think Bangladesh could all out Pakistan under 100 in a sporting wicket in PAkistan ???

Kabir
April 19, 2008, 07:56 AM
agree. no complain against miadad miah. say.. we said the same thing when bd won against kenya or ireland lately. phft. who cares if SN gets a 100 against em.

And that's why you don't feel bad about what he said. Sorry bro, gotta say that this is poor thinking.

thebest
April 19, 2008, 08:45 AM
why Miandad word's hitting so much to BC poster. For them we are minnow and it is useless. Same logic BC posters often used for demeaning SN; sometime even the new poster boy Sakib.
JM was and is a loud mouth. But often he supported his tongue by his bat.

Zoey007
April 19, 2008, 09:08 AM
hes soo right...the series was boring and useless ...it could have become if Malik had given chances to the youngsters properly...but hes way to defensive for this

wiseshah
April 19, 2008, 09:41 AM
Miandad is an illiterate man, so plz ignore all his comments. he just wanted to be in the news, i think

wiseshah
April 19, 2008, 09:50 AM
actually this tour is a disaster.

first bad arrangement-----light problem
bad umpiring----slow poison Bucknor and patriot aleem dar
some bad decision against aaftab and ashraful

Electrequiem
April 19, 2008, 10:43 AM
He didn't say anything wrong...

Russell2k7
April 19, 2008, 10:51 AM
He is bang on the buck. Playing Bangladesh is just simply waste.

pocha
April 19, 2008, 12:50 PM
Have to agree with Miandad. Bd cricket team is made of pure sh!t. Some one please ban us from playing cricket and STOP this utter humiliation for fans and the country. We fans are no less shameless than these pathetic bas*****

Russell2k7
April 19, 2008, 12:51 PM
Hahah Pocha damn.

RazabQ
April 19, 2008, 02:43 PM
Ok guys why don't you just stop following then - instead of all this belly aching. Sheesh I didn't hear this much moaning and groaning after Cidr - and THAT WAS a tragedy. This is a game.

- As myself

One World
April 19, 2008, 02:51 PM
Miandad took the right spot to speak up.

Comparing Zim tour and their performance it became clear BD played better. Pakis did not let us deal with their number two team altogether the way it did against Zimbabwe. Even after third ODI they got a scare that Asif was recalled. Look at Zim series, no Asif or Gul. The batting line up is exact same as it would be against any top team which was again not the case for Zim.

While sadly BD selectors does not know how to choose its best eleven as usual.

arafath79
April 19, 2008, 03:19 PM
Ok guys why don't you just stop following then - instead of all this belly aching. Sheesh I didn't hear this much moaning and groaning after Cidr - and THAT WAS a tragedy. This is a game.

- As myself

You should accept the reallity and Miandad said everything correct. It didn't help Paistan at all but Bangladesh has learned something from the tour.

Russell2k7
April 19, 2008, 03:30 PM
I highly doubt that Bangla Boys learned something from the tour.

samjad
April 19, 2008, 03:50 PM
Miandad is a Foul person. If Bangladesh won one or Two matches he would go to news bashing pakistan team. Now they won all , so he can't compliment Pakistan team so he has to bash Bangladesh. He is the example of a total negetive looser , who can never appriciate a good thing.
Well we always hear his comments , always critising this or that. So what did he do different or better when he was the Coach?

I have to say Pakistan played superbly to win all the matches. They looked like making less or no mistake what so ever as they used to . Even Last year they were in disarray. Shoaib Malik is doing an excellent job with the whole team performing.

Soo all thease are positive note, also Bangladesh agreeing to go to a country where almost everday there was a bomb blast, is a friendly response to pakistan. I mean everyone (with sence) can see that apart from this Stupid Goat.