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pocha
April 19, 2008, 04:24 PM
Quoting from Cricinfo article:

"If you compare them to Zimbabwe who we played earlier, I think Zimbabwe's batting was better than Bangladesh's," said Malik. "They batted according to the match situation whereas Bangladesh attack from the start. There is only a small difference between the two sides."

Cricinfo : http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakvbdesh/content/current/story/347060.html
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Strangely Siddons thinks otherwise. He think reaching 200 thrice in the series is a BIG positive for us. So Zimbabwe scored 230+ 4 times against Pak in thier series. He is talking realistic now. Was he dreaming then before start of series :o? He is basically bullshiting with all the positives. What about the negatives? Are we learning anything from the negatives, we are making the same mistake again and again. What happened to the TEAM RULES? Was that some kind of joke against a 3rd class Irish team? I think Siddons dont deserve his post just like Ash. Unfortnately we dont have a choice.

hoodlum
April 19, 2008, 04:36 PM
kichu bolar nai.....

Russell2k7
April 19, 2008, 04:56 PM
yes Zimbos have batted better than Bangladesh. Our bowling was better tho.

bdpride04
April 19, 2008, 05:05 PM
yes Zimbos have batted better than Bangladesh. Our bowling was better tho.

yea so much for the bowling.............300+ runs in every match, yes we are so strong in that department.

Eshen
April 19, 2008, 05:08 PM
Thanks Jamie and Ashraful for bringing us even below Zimbos.

Mridul
April 19, 2008, 05:14 PM
Truth hurts. I think, we are simply not good enough. Our players especially the batting line up is no where in the international level. Once in a blue moon century and half century by our batsmen do not weight much if they cannot score regularly.

I am sure if we look at the stat of our currrent batsmen and the batsmen of top 8 teams, who are not representing their country yet; we will find TONS of batsmen who are better than our batsmen.

zahid
April 19, 2008, 05:30 PM
Ei Lojjar ki kuno shesh nai?

Mridul
April 19, 2008, 05:40 PM
Ei Lojjar ki kuno shesh nai?

nishchoi achhe

my opinion is we should play against the A teams in different pitches and select those players only who are consistent. I would say we should only select ppl who has an average of 40+ in first class matches and 35+ in One Dayers after performing in the domestic league and playing the top club teams of other countries and their A teams.

crickwizard
April 19, 2008, 05:51 PM
dawa is simple, we should just play more with countries ranked as 6, 7 and 8 and once in a while with #10. Once we continue to win then target 1-6

Russell2k7
April 19, 2008, 06:15 PM
Yeah right Sri Lanka and Windies will smack the hell out of these loosers.

Antora
April 19, 2008, 06:28 PM
oh so now we are ranked below Zims? Shabash! soon we'll probably hear " Bermuda deserve test status instaed of BD" PATHETIC.....
i woke up this morning thinking we might have batted a lil betta..BUT NO! ARGH!

Snowman
April 19, 2008, 06:40 PM
I watched the IPL games today, I stopped watching when our Golden Sons were 10 for 3.

Ajfar
April 19, 2008, 06:59 PM
tike bolchee..shoaib malik eto din kichu bole nai..jokhon pura sure hoise je whitewash..ekhon mukh khullo...

Murad
April 19, 2008, 07:16 PM
We also conceded more runs than Zimb.

Our bowlers looked like worse than Kenyan Attack.

This is happen when you split up our strike bowlers. Rasel used to be our main wicket taking bolwer for so long but suddenly after SIddons came and he became crap.

Roni_uk
April 19, 2008, 07:19 PM
i said it when Zimbabuwe played agaist Pakistan that if we were to play now against them we will lose for SURE .. possibly with a whitewash. Except for one ODI we were soooo crap. Today I felt like I was watching the same BD i watched in 1999 (minus the paki match). How do we never learn?

al-Sagar
April 19, 2008, 08:32 PM
i said it when Zimbabuwe played agaist Pakistan that if we were to play now against them we will lose for SURE .. possibly with a whitewash. Except for one ODI we were soooo crap. Today I felt like I was watching the same BD i watched in 1999 (minus the paki match). How do we never learn?

We will against zim. We are good at playing other minnows. But when playing against big guns we crumble big time

Isnaad
April 19, 2008, 08:35 PM
yes Zimbos have batted better than Bangladesh. Our bowling was better tho.

Don't ruin it!!!

sayem
April 19, 2008, 08:38 PM
It is our fault....we are just not getting it straight here, its a false hope that BD will soon be a "Great" team..Frankly speaking, it will never happen. Only youth teams like under 19's will do well and it all stops there...when the players are well groomed for international cricket properly like other countries, then we can look for performance....and like I say, you want your horse cart to go forward, then you need to have the horses in front ...

cricket_dorshok
April 19, 2008, 11:05 PM
kicchu bolar nai!!!

Razi
April 20, 2008, 01:49 AM
Simply Pathetic...

mahbubH
April 20, 2008, 03:03 AM
I think we still can beat Zimbo. But if Zimbo players get the facilities our players get (from the age 9!) they would do far far better than us. Zimbos are more natural athlete and ours are kind of make-shift.

al-Sagar
April 20, 2008, 03:07 AM
I think we still can beat Zimbo. But if Zimbo players get the facilities our players get (from the age 9!) they would do far far better than us. Zimbos are more natural athlete and ours are kind of make-shift.

very well said

Bengali Bum
April 20, 2008, 03:28 AM
somebody needs to file a lawsuit against Bangladesh Team.

second, lawmakers should pass a bill that says every time BD team looses a match, all players should be required to pay 75% of their match fee to the poor people.
At least that will bring some smile to many faces. It's better than being a joke in front of the world.

sunny747
April 20, 2008, 03:31 AM
we are the worse team in the history of cricket.......what not this guys get? i heard our domesitc league provides more money than Paki leagues and yet they have the best crickers...Even if kenya get just 30% of the facility what our players yet, they can be a very good team...

WarWolf
April 20, 2008, 04:35 AM
Shoaib Malik is perfectly all right. Zim not only batted better than Bd but also was better in every dept.

Nabil-Jpn
April 20, 2008, 05:03 AM
Ok, now our team in trouble , but ther is no dought that our team has been playing better cricket now then ZIM, I don't mind what said Malik, his comments are always rubish, Do you remember what he said in last twenty world cup, Do U remember the result of PAK team in last world cup?? the selector should pick up the best players and make best combination. My 1st question on JN, is he really good opening player??? selector and coach should rearrange out team, should make our team according to their performance,
Good luck BD

cricket_king
April 20, 2008, 06:24 AM
Truth hurts...

bdchamp20
April 20, 2008, 06:27 AM
Seriously guys, do you think if we played a 5 match series against Zimbabwe now we would win? I dont think so.

Shaan
April 20, 2008, 06:28 AM
GOD thanks he didn't say we(BD) sucks!! He is right Zimbos batted better than us.

crikfreak
April 20, 2008, 06:54 AM
wow.. so now even the zimbos are considered better than us.. what an achievement.. well done boys.. well done..

they deserve a standing applaud for this achievement.. SHABASH BOYS.. SHABASH

don't know why i even bother seeing these losers play..

akabir77
April 20, 2008, 07:02 AM
the day for ash to step down is coming very fast. we need to bring some old players back. with a team combination like this we need saleh and some one else on the top 4 to stop the slide.

oracle
April 20, 2008, 07:38 AM
The team needs to be dissected. Also, answers to what happened to performance since Dav's departure. Mallik is right.

Pundit
April 20, 2008, 08:35 AM
Actually, the Pakistanis are just pissed that we celebrated Independence day with a little bit too much fervor with the Indians this year.

Rifat
April 20, 2008, 09:24 AM
statistically, Shoaib Malik speaks a much realistic harshar truth!

arafath79
April 20, 2008, 12:14 PM
Shoaib is right and Miandad was right too.

Rabz
April 20, 2008, 12:38 PM
JS is upto a plan.Too bad it didnt come fruitful this time.

But the problem is, its hard very to understand at this point what that plan is.

Only thing we can do is to wait and have more patience.

Murad
April 20, 2008, 12:55 PM
Since Jamie Siddons came in, we are just going downward. He's experimenting a lot, which is not good for our team. He doesn't like to work with the oldies, which is another bad thing. We need experience in our team. All the boys are pretty young. They need soem big brothers behind them.

Remember the Lankan tour? Ashraful's first tour as captain. We've restricted the Lankans within 200 runs in all 3 ODI matches. We also got them bowled out in atleast 2 matches. Lankans are lot better than the Pak team.

Rasel was the reason behind these success in bowling in that tour. After that tour,Siddons came in, Rasel got injured and suddenly he is out of the team. Our coach says he doesnt have pace. He cannot bat. ODI team needs only one specialist bowler, and others have to be allrounders, etc.

In this tour, Rasel got to bowl for only 3 overs and that was a 20/20 match. He was expensive but didn't get any chance later on.

Rajib was expensive in all three match but still he got many chances. I wonder why?

Same for Reza. After doing a bit well in first 2 matches, he was expensive and wicketless in the later 3 matches. He also got away with that. I wonder why?

Rasel is our main ODI & T20 bowler. Without him our bowling line up looks so dull. Very dimensionless.

Probably Rasel cannot do the Tel-Malish.

If things go like this, then we will have to face many nightmares in the future.

Russell2k7
April 20, 2008, 12:58 PM
Sri Lanka is not lot better than Pakistan.

Murad
April 20, 2008, 01:05 PM
Sri Lanka is not lot better than Pakistan.

May I know How?

Don't tell me about their recent tour of WI. They didn't play their main bowlers.

Russell2k7
April 20, 2008, 01:19 PM
The latest Pak vs Sri Lanka. Vaas is their main bowler no? Besides they had all their top order batsman but failed to utilize against Windies attack. How will they do against Pak attack?

Kabir
April 20, 2008, 01:23 PM
That was quite apparent.

Unfortunately, however, Shoaib Malik only gave an OVERALL observation. If you ask me, I would say that our top order has become worse, while we may finally be getting a good lower and lower middle order batsmen.

Nafi
April 20, 2008, 01:25 PM
The latest Pak vs Sri Lanka. Vaas is their main bowler no?

again they were missing several 1st string players

Russell2k7
April 20, 2008, 01:26 PM
again they were missing several 1st string players
Basically all of their top batsman played but failed against Windies attack. How are they gonna face Pak attack??
Pak lost to Ind and SA only 3-2

Tiger444
April 20, 2008, 04:40 PM
Since Jamie Siddons came in, we are just going downward. He's experimenting a lot, which is not good for our team. He doesn't like to work with the oldies, which is another bad thing. We need experience in our team. All the boys are pretty young. They need soem big brothers behind them.

Remember the Lankan tour? Ashraful's first tour as captain. We've restricted the Lankans within 200 runs in all 3 ODI matches. We also got them bowled out in atleast 2 matches. Lankans are lot better than the Pak team.

Rasel was the reason behind these success in bowling in that tour. After that tour,Siddons came in, Rasel got injured and suddenly he is out of the team. Our coach says he doesnt have pace. He cannot bat. ODI team needs only one specialist bowler, and others have to be allrounders, etc.

In this tour, Rasel got to bowl for only 3 overs and that was a 20/20 match. He was expensive but didn't get any chance later on.

Rajib was expensive in all three match but still he got many chances. I wonder why?

Same for Reza. After doing a bit well in first 2 matches, he was expensive and wicketless in the later 3 matches. He also got away with that. I wonder why?

Rasel is our main ODI & T20 bowler. Without him our bowling line up looks so dull. Very dimensionless.

Probably Rasel cannot do the Tel-Malish.

If things go like this, then we will have to face many nightmares in the future.

Muradnyc how can you say that Sri Lanka is a better ODI team then Pakistan? Pakistan beat them in the ODI series last year 2-1. Sri Lanka also has lost ODI series to England and West Indies. They have been slumping in ODI's ever since they were World Cup runners ups. Those pitches were also suited for batsmen which made the Bangladeshi bowlers very expensive. I agree with you that the team is so young and in success you always need a blend of youth and experience to have success. The problem is though none of the older players had showed good form. Look at Habibul Bashar, since when did he have a good game in any form of the game. And Khaled Mashud, he could not get it going in tests in Sri Lanka and was replaced by Mushfiqur Rahim. We all have to be patient which most of Bangladeshi fans do not really have unfortunately but it will take at least 2-3 years before we can compete with teams like Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

Sovik
April 20, 2008, 04:53 PM
ofcourse they did. this was one of the worst series we had in recent time

simon
April 20, 2008, 05:28 PM
Well looks like it was a bad idea to go to Pak.
We shld have stayed in Bd playng domestc cricket & improve ourselves.
Cant blaim Siddons because if u learn things but u cant apply them then its your fault.
And I think its better to noot let Ash as a captain & make Mash captain
because captaincy doesnt affect bowlrs.

Yameen
April 20, 2008, 06:44 PM
hes right, he made the judgement from the observation from the zimbo series and bangladesh series, zimbo definetly batted better but the quality of our batsman is much higher..

Mridul
April 20, 2008, 08:59 PM
hes right, he made the judgement from the observation from the zimbo series and bangladesh series, zimbo definetly batted better but the quality of our batsman is much higher..

the quality that our batsmen have....all the top 8 teams have enough of these kind of quality players....they can easily make 2-3 teams who can beat the bangladeshi top orders

the truth is i dont find our batting charming....the shots that our batsmen play is limited...and even those shots looks awkard sometimes

bottom line...our batsmen are not good enough....they may be good in Bangladeshi Standard...but to fight in the top level....our standard is faaaaaaaaaar behind

Eshen
April 20, 2008, 09:54 PM
When you filter out stats against minnows, all our batsman averages around 20 - that hardly shows any quality in our batting. Chigumbura can brag of having better stats than Ashraful does.

zainab
April 21, 2008, 06:01 AM
Zimbabwe did give Pakistan a better fight, Here BD capitulated very quickly and i guess it was not an exciting series for Pakistan. Too easy pickings. Their batsmen never struggled against BD bowlers and their bowlers were gifted easy wickets.
Cant blame Malik for making this statement.
I guess if Zim played BD now, it will be a hard contest.

jeesh
April 21, 2008, 06:36 AM
I hate to say it but had it not been for the turmoil, and players deserting the team a full strength Zimbabwe team with the likes of Taibu, Streak, Vermuelen, Evans, Blignaut etc. would definitely be stronger than us. You gotta give credit to Zimbabwe, they dont have a solid first class structure and their infrastructure is no where near us- yet they create players who bat and bowl more maturely than our team. And fielding, we are not even close to them. Its hard to imagine how youngsters like Brendon Taylor, and Edwards bat so maturely. You guys remember what a fighter Taibu was? I was hoping Mushfiqur Rahim could end up like Taibu. I guess at the end of the day the mindset is the big difference. Technically there isnt much of a difference, its the maturity, self belief and the confidence. Definitely even with their current side Zim will give Bd a tough time- unless we sort out ourselves.

Russell2k7
April 21, 2008, 07:55 AM
Streak would turn our batsman upside down.

sadi
April 21, 2008, 08:16 AM
Lets play a series with Zim and settle this debate, shall we?

BANFAN
April 21, 2008, 08:23 AM
Zimbabwe did give Pakistan a better fight, Here BD capitulated very quickly and i guess it was not an exciting series for Pakistan. Too easy pickings. Their batsmen never struggled against BD bowlers and their bowlers were gifted easy wickets.
Cant blame Malik for making this statement.



Right I guess

I guess if Zim played BD now, it will be a hard contest.

Have doubt. Our players win or loose before the match. If they have concluded they will lose, they play like a loser, as with Pak / SA and if they think they have chance of winning, they play like winners like against IRE.

If an established team makes some mistake and presents a target which looks like possible to them, their game changes dramatically. Problem is that, they don't have the mental or technical ability to induce mistakes or to take a challenge they think beyond their capability.

Zim, still makes mistakes at their own, so things can be different with them, than with pak

Mahmood
April 21, 2008, 08:25 AM
With SN in our team, Zimbabwe will be trashed, every match. Bring it on.

tanim3960
April 21, 2008, 08:32 AM
amader rokto akto gorom...........
our players think themselves a worldclass player specially ashrafoooool
thats why we lose...........

BANFAN
April 21, 2008, 12:05 PM
With SN in our team, Zimbabwe will be trashed, every match. Bring it on.

Ha Ha Ha.

:)

Fazal
April 21, 2008, 02:26 PM
In neutral field we will have real hard time beating them.

Warlock
April 22, 2008, 01:20 AM
the day for ash to step down is coming very fast. we need to bring some old players back. with a team combination like this we need saleh and some one else on the top 4 to stop the slide.
Yeah, I also think so. May be that day will come sooner than later. I don't think Bangladesh team will become world-beaters, but they are not so crap too! Seems like nothing is working in the team. Siddons looks detached from the team, Ashraful doesn't look like he is captaining the side, without Russel we don't know who will be our wicket taking bowler in the first 10/15 overs, Razzak seems to have forgotten how he used to bowl and the top-order batting in simply shambolick! I don't think we were in such a great danger about our cricket in recent times- if somebody doesn't stop this I don't know where we are going to end up!

WarWolf
April 22, 2008, 04:20 AM
In neutral field we will have real hard time beating them.
Well....We need to find that as well. Is our quality dropping so fast?

WarWolf
April 22, 2008, 04:21 AM
With SN in our team, Zimbabwe will be trashed, every match. Bring it on.
Spon on. But I am afraid that SN lovers would get hurt by your comment.

nayan
April 22, 2008, 09:23 AM
I think we still can beat Zimbo. But if Zimbo players get the facilities our players get (from the age 9!) they would do far far better than us. Zimbos are more natural athlete and ours are kind of make-shift.

Very well said

mali007
April 22, 2008, 10:36 AM
Can any body post PAK XI VS ZIMB.------ I think we played much stronger PAK. squad than Zimb. ( Pak. reinforced their batting and bowling side against us )

TomalCA
April 22, 2008, 10:58 AM
Can any body post PAK XI VS ZIMB.------ I think we played much stronger PAK. squad than Zimb. ( Pak. reinforced their batting and bowling side against us )

the suad was almost the same in the first 3 matches except Umar Gul was not there.

they took couple of new players in the last two matches though.

so no, PAK squad was not any better than the current one.

mali007
April 22, 2008, 11:08 AM
the suad was almost the same in the first 3 matches except Umar Gul was not there.

they took couple of new players in the last two matches though.

so no, PAK squad was not any better than the current one.
I think M. Asif was not there too--- so Gul & Asif made a big difference .